[02:09] Hi, I'm in the process of trying to get my focusrite saffire interface working on ubuntu. I installed ubuntustudio-audio and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins, added myself to the audio group, started qjackctl and changed it to firewire, and clicked start, and i got sound for a bit. It momentarily pauses when new applications are opened, and it seems to have died completely when I was installing this irc client with apt. How do I get this working? [02:12] ollie_: you can ask [lsd] in #opensourcemusicians if you'd like [02:12] i am told it works out of the box in 12.04 [02:13] ollie__: you can ask [lsd] in #opensourcemusicians if you'd like [02:13] i am told it works out of the box in 12.04 [02:13] i have a firewire device and i typically troubleshoot as root [02:13] i dont leave JACK running all the time either, nor do i run pulse audio through it, but im told that works well now too [02:14] hm [02:14] i would open a terminal and run "gksudo qjackctl" [02:14] i would choose the firewire driver [02:14] i would choose settings like 1024/2 [02:15] under setup [02:15] yep [02:15] 1024 frames per period [02:15] I dont have a realtime kernel, should i untick realtime? [02:15] 2 periods per buffer [02:15] ollie__: you can try it.. it shouldnt make it fail, but try both if you are having issues [02:16] ok, now how do i test it? do i need to run my audio player as root? [02:16] ollie__: you can.. i typically just get it started though,a nd see that it starts [02:17] you could run something else as root if you want to hear something [02:17] it has started [02:17] then, troubleshoot permissions errors or whatever [02:17] you want to run it as a normal user ASAP [02:18] okay [02:18] I cant seem to make it make sound as root [02:18] I think i need to change the sound settings too [02:18] but it was working as a normal user [02:18] ollie__: maybe you dont have the speakers in properly? [02:18] ollie__: you shouldnt need to change any sound settings [02:19] im not actually using ubuntu per se, but a distro based on it [02:19] ollie__: kxstudio? [02:19] elementary os [02:19] shouldnt be anything there that is breaking our stuff [02:19] i had to change the sound device to jack in their settings panel [02:19] ollie__: you shouldnt have to [02:19] so i guess i would need to do that as root [02:19] ollie__: i would leave that be [02:20] ok [02:20] just start JACK, and use what tools you want with JACK [02:20] i will try as a normal user again [02:20] unless you want all the system sound going through JACK.. but their tool wont help with that i say [02:20] am I meant to use everything with jack? [02:20] ollie__: you dont have to. i dont [02:20] ah [02:20] well i dont know how to get my interface to work without jack [02:21] ollie__: you cant really yet, but you can do pulse to jack bridging [02:21] its saying jack server could not be started, sorry [02:21] every time its done that ive had to reboot to get it to work again [02:21] ollie__: i would just look at the messages and troubleshoot [02:21] is there another way? [02:21] it'll be permissions [02:21] ollie__: another way to what? [02:22] use your firewire device for all sound? not yet [02:22] the alsa firewire stuff is very new if available at all [02:22] i meant to get jack going again without rebooting [02:22] ollie__: i would read the messages and troubleshoot them [02:22] ok it appears to have frozen... reboot it is [02:22] ollie__: if it starts as ROOT, then its a permissions issue [02:22] ollie__: sudo killall jack or jackd [02:23] it was starting earlier as a normal user [02:23] or ps aux | grep jack [02:23] it worked momentarily [02:23] once i set the audio device as jack in the gui [02:23] ollie__: if its only starting for a blip, that doesnt count [02:23] i was playing music [02:23] ollie__: all im saying is if it runs as root, you can stop configuring the system [02:24] ok, well it runs [02:24] ollie__: you can relax the jack settings too... even more than i suggested [02:24] 2048/2 [02:25] Is jack for audio applications like ardour, or for everything? [02:25] At the moment I just want to get basic sound output through my interface [02:25] ollie__: JACK is open, so *anything* can be written with JACK support [02:25] jack connects any software and hardware that has jack support [02:26] ollie__: i just take a cable from the output of my internal sound card, and plug into the inputs on my device [02:26] is that ffado thing the driver for firewire devices? [02:26] ollie__: ffado is the firewire driver [02:27] i would just ask [lsd] in #opensourcemusicians [02:27] he as that device and uses it all the time [02:27] What would that do? I want to use the interface as my sound card [02:27] ah okay [02:27] thanks a lot for the help [02:28] ollie__: you can either use the pulse to jack bridge, or just use a jack aware player like audacious [02:28] or just take a cable and analog jack the internal sound care runnning pulse to the firewire interface [02:31] How do I use the pulse to jack bridge? [02:31] ollie__: AFAIK, its installed by default..i would just pop over and ask [lsd] about it [02:31] i dont use it [02:31] i just use audacious, or the cable [02:32] I've sent lsd a message, just waiting on a response [02:33] you have? [02:34] i would just message him in the channel.. but do what you like [02:34] i.imgur.com/cIZHN.jpg I've got my music playing, this time with realtime unticked, and it seems to be working better. Pic shows how I have it setup in the DE's sound settings [02:34] i typically dont send PM's without asking first [02:34] ollie__: if you have no lowlatency or RT kernel, theres no reason to check that box [02:34] i would leave it unticked, and just see if you can keep it running [02:34] How do I get rid of the gui without killing jack? [02:34] relax the settings to 2048/2 or whatever [02:35] ollie__: you can start jack from the command line, but then you dont have the connections [02:35] you can click the icon in the tray and it will minimize [02:35] there are settings about how you would likt it to minimize [02:37] ah, i see, cool [02:37] So I guess I should just set it to autostart [02:37] ollie__: i dont [02:37] ollie__: i like to see if start each time, and i have different profiles [02:37] try i though... see what you like [02:38] do you have sound from your interface without jack running? [02:38] because of your cable? [02:38] ollie__: sure [02:38] ollie__: i also have a console though that my audio is going through [02:39] Yeah thats why i'd want to autostart, as I need it on to get any sound [02:39] afternoon [02:39] hey [02:40] sup? [02:40] ollie__: try it... i dont [02:40] ollie__: you get sound through the device when JACK is not running [02:40] there should be a mix knob... a "live" side and a "computer" side [02:40] something like that [02:41] you can just use the preamps and the mixer as a PA with the unit unplugged from a computer [02:42] I suppose that could work [02:42] I like to route separate things to separate outputs though [02:42] ollie__: it does.. its how you "monitor" before things get tracked [02:42] one is my headphones, one is speakers [02:42] ollie__: route what you want where you want [02:42] im just saying what works for me... [02:42] sure === ubuntu-studio is now known as len-live [18:59] hi all, got an old ibookg3 that can run linux... is there a use for this as an audio tool, perhaps a really minimal midi sequencer?? tks. [20:19] hi all, got an old ibookg3 that can run linux... is there a use for this as an audio tool, perhaps a really minimal midi sequencer?? tks.