[04:58] <rhin0> why on xubuntu 12.04 doesit take 20 seconds for the file manager tocome up
[04:58] <Mathias> rhin0: just once or every time?
[04:59] <rhin0> hmm once
[04:59] <rhin0> why is that
[04:59] <rhin0> getting directory map?
[04:59] <Mathias> probably just takes some time loading in from the harddrive then checking what's in the folder
[05:00] <rhin0> thatwas my only bugbear so far
[05:05] <strtok> I spent 6 hours today fighting trying to get arch linux booting on a mac pro. Xubuntu installed in about 20 minutes and boot perfectly side by side OS X (EFI)
[05:06] <Deutopia> thats what i hear
[05:13] <rhin0> im pretty sure I loaded 12.04 xubuntu here I click on help from the menu and I get "welcome to xubuntu 11.10!"
[05:13] <rhin0> how do I check its 12.04 apart from that
[05:13] <rhin0> that seems to be a mistake
[05:16] <rhin0> lsb_release -a Description:	Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS
[05:18] <Deutopia> mine says that too and its 12.04.1
[05:18] <rhin0> thats just what I generally used to check what version
[05:18] <rhin0> was trying to think when I last saw 11.10 or if i cutg the wrong disk
[05:19] <Deutopia> just an oversight
[05:20] <rhin0> this is good - I like 12.04
[05:20] <rhin0> have seen it before but was avoiding
[05:20] <Deutopia> just keeps getting better and better
[05:21] <rhin0> i migrated off ubuntu standard some months ago > 6 because its all unity
[05:21] <rhin0> and im lost in unity can't find my way around (don't want to) .. when I saw the first unity it looked unfinished
[05:22] <Deutopia> yeah once unity hit i went kde till i found out about kubuntu. xubuntu has kind of been a fallback for old machines but i broke my HDD and now all i have is USB flash. thank the gods for xubuntu
[05:23] <rhin0> thats exactly how it was for me - a fallback for old machines or just a general utility OS
[05:23] <rhin0> does it run fast enough off a usb disk?  i heard they wear out - i'm amazed you can youse a usb as your main storage
[05:24] <rhin0> use
[05:24] <Deutopia> it runs great. takes a while to boot up but once it ups everything runs from RAM
[05:25] <Deutopia> actually my friend has an 11 year old laptop that's also running from USB, and it runs circles around this PC
[05:25] <rhin0> what do you use for a "ramdisk" please - howto - url or pointer
[05:25] <Deutopia> i didnt do anything, it sets it up itself
[05:27] <rhin0> it's  been a big boost to xubuntu userbase I think, the arrival of "unity"
[05:27] <Deutopia> irony
[05:27] <rhin0> xubuntus more like fedora (fedora also using xfce) .. ie. it's standard menus not mobile nothing "too clever"
[05:28] <Deutopia> never tried fedora. never heared anything good about it
[05:28] <rhin0> things should grow organically - whats wrong with a set of menus - problem I kept getting asked from people running fedora is #1 whers the panel?  everything decent just gone
[05:29] <Deutopia> windows 8 is gonna be a boom as well. (gonna be a lot of people wondering what happened to grub or why they have 3 bootloaders)
[05:31] <rhin0> well that's an issue - zdnet published article yesterday saying that all new pcs are to be keysigned for microsoft and whats more they won't be able to run xp or even windows 7 - forcing people to use windows 8.  they don't want another vista where people were buying pcs with vista licenses but running xp
[05:31] <rhin0> won't be able to run linux either - like an apple hw lock-in .. it's quite serious
[05:32] <Deutopia> they want us to use the hyper-v
[05:32] <rhin0> whats hyper-v
[05:32] <rhin0> ah - version
[05:32] <Deutopia> built in virtual machine
[05:32] <rhin0> meaning you run linux but its all within windows - why go there
[05:33] <Deutopia> so when aquisitions buys new PCs for a linux company, microsoft gets paid?
[05:33] <Deutopia> microsoft doesnt really sell to the end user, it makes its money from OEMs
[05:34] <rhin0> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/microsoft-to-stop-linux-older-windows-from-running-on-windows-8-pcs/9589  Microsoft to stop Linux, older Windows, from running on Windows 8 PCs
[05:34] <Deutopia> few and far between that i see an actual windows disk
[05:34] <rhin0> its to completely lock everything out of new pcs apart from windows 8
[05:35] <rhin0> even xp - with their own customers - new pc = windows 8 or nothing
[05:35] <rhin0> despicable
[05:35] <rhin0> the question is whether they can enforce it
[05:35] <rhin0> according to that article they can
[05:36] <Deutopia> i thunk they know just how much ppl are going to hate metro
[05:36] <Deutopia> they can
[05:36] <rhin0> absolutely
[05:36] <Deutopia> if you peal the Windows sticker off your computer, you are required to destroy the hardware.
[05:36] <rhin0> as in "now"?  url or source never heard that
[05:36] <rhin0> thats crazy
[06:13] <rhin0> question where are the tabs for apps that I have open -- on 10.04 there were a list of tabs at the bottom of the screen for open applications
[06:33] <rhin0> i just realised they're now at the top of the screen Oo
[06:40] <Deutopia> okay it seems they have changed a few things. i have found one refrence to having to destroy the hardware if the logo is obscured or removed, but it's for Windows Surface
[06:40] <Deutopia> Microsoft Surface*
[06:54] <Deutopia> OEM license agreement states you must destroy the software and all licensed components if you fail to abide the EULA (In the Surface version, they reserve the right to personally destroy the property)
[06:54] <Deutopia> OEM for all windows
[09:43] <Monte_Cristo> hi everyone
[09:44] <Monte_Cristo> I'm desperate :(
[09:44] <Monte_Cristo> I could not solve the error 'no such device grub rescue'
[09:45] <Monte_Cristo> i red some tutorials, but nothing
[09:46] <TheSheep> Monte_Cristo: http://askubuntu.com/questions/177783/error-no-such-device-grub-rescue
[09:46] <Monte_Cristo> I do not understand why windows starts normally, but when I insert the usblive of xubuntu seems to me now that mistake
[09:47] <Monte_Cristo> TheSheep: ok, i go and read that
[09:52] <Monte_Cristo> all guides speak to open the terminal to reinstall grub. But how do I open the terminal Xubuntu, if it does not start? I'm confused
[09:53] <TheSheep> Monte_Cristo: you must boot from a livecd or usb
[09:53] <Monte_Cristo> did!!
[09:53] <TheSheep> and it doesn't start?
[09:54] <TheSheep> Monte_Cristo: if it's from usb, try a different usb port
[09:54] <Monte_Cristo> 1) if you boot the computer normally, start windows 2) if I enter the usblive and I start the system from usb, it gives me the error
[09:55] <TheSheep> some computers will only boot properly from one of their usb ports
[09:55] <TheSheep> I had that with my asus ux32vd
[09:55] <TheSheep> I had to use the upper-right usb port
[09:56] <Monte_Cristo> ok
[09:56] <Monte_Cristo> i try to boot the liveusb from another usb port
[09:58] <Monte_Cristo> but the first time I installed xubuntu, i used the same usb port. the first time it worked!
[09:58] <Monte_Cristo> i don't understand
[09:59] <Monte_Cristo> however, also try to change usb output
[09:59] <Monte_Cristo> see you later
[10:04] <Monte_Cristo> doesn't work the same
[10:05] <Monte_Cristo> I tried to change usb port
[10:05] <Monte_Cristo> the error still appears
[10:06] <Monte_Cristo> how do I reinstall grub if I can not boot xubuntu? I can reinstall from windows?
[10:07] <TheSheep> unfortunately no
[10:08] <TheSheep> are you sure it's even trying to boot from that usb?
[10:09] <Monte_Cristo> sure
[10:10] <Monte_Cristo> i don't understand why, but my problem looks like this: RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[10:10] <Monte_Cristo> instead of RecoveringWindowsAfterInstallingXubuntu
[10:11] <Monte_Cristo> because i can boot windows, but not Xubuntu
[10:11] <Monte_Cristo> now, i'm reading this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[10:13] <Monte_Cristo> nothing, that tutorial says that i have to boot ubuntu, and then open the terminal and blablabla...
[10:14] <Monte_Cristo> but i can't boot xubuntu
[10:14] <Monte_Cristo> I have the impression that the PC has been irreversibly damaged
[10:16] <TheSheep> Monte_Cristo: it's not damaged
[10:20] <Monte_Cristo> can SuperGrub disk work on windows 7?
[10:22] <Monte_Cristo> Auto Super Grub Disk installs a new boot entry into the Windows boot. Once you have reboot just select unetbootin-super grub disk and the program does everything alone so that you can recover your grub menu and thus your Linux boot again.
[10:22] <Monte_Cristo> maybe it can help me?
[11:54] <Deutopia> i am trying to configure users and groups in 12.04.1. when i run groupadd or useradd it returns error user/group already exists. when i view the list of users/groups, the 1 in question does not exist. (users reports 7 users named xubuntu & nothing else)
[13:12] <Deutopia> i love lampp
[13:13] <TheSheep> don't worry, that will pass
[13:13] <TheSheep> also, there is #xubuntu-offtopic for non-support chat
[14:12] <Monte_Cristo> I did it!!!!!!
[14:13] <Monte_Cristo> i'm using xubuntu
[14:13] <holstein> congrats! ...enjoy Monte_Cristo
[14:13] <Monte_Cristo> I re-installed the usblive and the error disappeared, so i reinstalled also xubuntu
[14:14] <holstein> sometimes its easiest to just restart and reinstall things... you can track down errors for a long time, but if you dont have any data, starting over is easy
[14:14] <Monte_Cristo> and finally with the program easy b .. and I do not remember ... I created the connection between the windows bootloader and grub xubuntu
[14:16] <Monte_Cristo> holdstein, you're right, you should try and try again
[14:16] <Monte_Cristo> thanks everyone
[14:18] <Monte_Cristo> now, i'm going to have fun exploring xubuntu
[14:18] <Monte_Cristo> I wanna learn everything
[14:19] <Monte_Cristo> see you later
[14:20] <Monte_Cristo> i have to reboot firefox
[14:20] <Monte_Cristo> bye
[14:27] <synaptix> Is there a way to lock items on the desktop in place? They keep moving around from their original positions clustering into the top left corner everytime I exit a fullscreen app.
[14:41] <GridCube> synaptix, you could make read only the ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/icons.screenblahblahblahblah.rc file
[14:41] <GridCube> if its read only it should stay always the way you set it up
[14:41] <GridCube> but i dont really know if thats the best way to do that
[14:41] <synaptix> It's not a major issue, just a slight inconvenience :)
[14:42] <synaptix> But I'll give that a try as a temp solution, thanks. :)
[14:42] <apm1> anyone noticed how jockey is misbehaving with the gui installer these days on 12.04.1 ?
[14:42] <GridCube> defince misbehaving
[14:43] <GridCube> -c
[14:43] <SkippersBoss> it should be an option in the xfce4 settings editor. Its not there
[14:46] <apm1> GridCube, quits while installing fglrx drivers but when you check with synaptic the damn package is already installed that is misbehaving :D
[14:46] <GridCube> mmmhm
[14:47] <GridCube> sadly i would expect jockey to fail more often now thats deprecated :(
[14:47] <GridCube> but you should report a bug againts that anyway
[14:47] <GridCube> we need to have a working jockey on xubuntu for 3 more years
[14:48] <GridCube> ubuntu-bug jockey-gtk , that should do the report
[14:48] <apm1> i already have :)
[14:48] <apm1> ^or so i think , maybe can't remember
[14:49] <GridCube> then paste the bug number on #xubuntu-devel and bother for it to be fixed :)
[14:49] <knome> GridCube, ermm...
[14:49]  * GridCube hides
[14:49] <knome> apm1, feel free to paste it in #xubuntu-devel, but don't keep too high hopes that anybody there actually fixes it. not saying it won't be fixed at all though
[14:50] <synaptix> GridCube, your solution seems to be working nicely. Set the icons.*.rc file to readonly, tested fullscreen app and the items stay in their place on desktop
[14:50]  * apm1 grins at knome's comment on the bug report 
[14:50] <GridCube> :D awesome synaptix good to know
[14:51] <GridCube> synaptix, rememeber that if that file is in readonly you cant add stuff to the desktop or move it around
[14:51] <GridCube> (so its not really a *good solution*)
[14:52] <Sysi> I wonder why jockey was created in the first place, other distributions install proprietary drivers more reliably with package manager
[14:52] <synaptix> I can always chmod, edit and rechmod should i choose to add/remove/move any items.
[14:53] <apm1> Sysi, jockey=debian's genius ;)
[14:54]  * apm1 loves debian but is sarcastic about it's flaws
[15:22] <martinphone> does xubuntu have live boot tools?
[15:23] <bazhang> martinphone, such as?
[15:23] <martinphone> bazhang, no idea, I have been told to use a "live boot tool" like clonezilla to increase the size of a virtual hard disk in vbox
[15:24] <apm1> anyone playing amnesia on xubuntu ?
[15:24] <knome> apm1, maybe try #xubuntu-offtopic
[15:24] <apm1> knome, sorry
[15:24] <knome> np
[15:52] <cyclist_2> Hello, there! I am testing Xubuntu 12.04.1 on VirtualBox and compared to the same version of Ubuntu [also on VirtualBox] I find it much faster; my question is whether it would not defeat the purpose of installing Xubuntu on my PC if I also like programs which are dependent not only on Gnome but on KDE and without which I really do not want go without; would Xubuntu still keep this performance edge even after I reinstalled a lot of my favou
[15:53] <GridCube> yes
[15:54] <GridCube> i use smplayer, thats in qt, and most of the programs for gnome are in gtk2-3 they run exactly the same
[15:54] <GridCube> dont expect to use nautilus on xfce thouhg, at least not with lots of tweeking
[15:54] <Marzata> Xubuntu runs Gnome and KDE apps pretty well
[16:08] <cyclist_2> GridCube: my favourite file manager is Krusader [KDE]; I already have started using Xpad on my present system [where StickyNotes is the default application] and I will look further for more changes of that nature; but some applications are just too familiar to me now to be switched without a stronger reason.
[16:09] <cyclist_2> Marzata: on a different note, what is the record of Xubuntu 12.04 so far on wireless internet connections? I had a miserable time getting my system to function with it and recently it seems that a kernel bug has made impossible for me to use the wireless connection for long or my mouse will start to drag until I have to restart the PC: but it is still working [which is better than nothing at all...]
[16:10] <GridCube> cyclist_2, you can use them with no real problem, dont expect everything to be exactly the same though, xfce its not gnome or kde, you have to keep that in mind
[16:11] <GridCube> cyclist_2, i havent had real networking problems so far, if the signal strenght gets too low you can get to a point when it tries over and over to reconnect and you need to reboot to fix it, but thats just if the signal gets too low
[16:21] <cyclist_2> GridCube: my problem seems to be part-related to the hardware my PC uses; even though it has an built-in wireless adaptor, I had to buy an external one to get wireless access; a few months ago I had no problems, but now it is just a matter of time until I have to restart the PC because the mouse stops having any effect on the graphic desktop [although it seems to work, the GDM just does not recognise its input anymore]; that is another rea
[16:22] <GridCube> cyclist_2, well gdm is not used anymore, now theres lightdm, so that might fix some problems?, dont relly know
[16:23] <GridCube> you might want to try a live session before doing something else
[16:25] <cyclist_2> GridCube: that seems sensible, since VirtualBox [however good it is] may be slowing things a bit compared to running the system from a CD
[16:25] <GridCube> and the hardware its detecting its the emulated one
[16:25] <GridCube> not the real hw you have
[16:26] <GridCube> cyclist_2, also runing from a live session will always be slower than running an actual session though
[16:28] <cyclist_2> GridCube: yes, but I think I will try it to see the difference; if Ubuntu 12.04.1 remains this slow, I guess I will give it a miss this time
[16:28] <GridCube> :)
[16:28] <GridCube> go ahead and enjoy
[16:29] <cyclist_2> GridCube: Thanks; Bye, now!
[17:00] <livingdaylight> greetings
[17:09] <GridCube> !hi | livingdaylight
[17:10] <livingdaylight> ok, GridCube , thanks for making me feel at home
[17:10] <GridCube> :)
[17:10] <livingdaylight> :)
[17:35] <macsim> hi, I got a bug with jupiter (I'm on voyager xfce 12.04) notification popup doesn't fade by itself I have to clic on it, any idea ? thanks
[17:39] <Sysi> what time do you have set for disappearing in notification settings
[17:40] <macsim> Sysi, 3 seconds
[17:40] <macsim> Sysi, try to change it logout and login doesn't change
[17:40] <Sysi> do all pop-ups stay or just from specific app?
[17:40] <macsim> Sysi, seams it's jupiter only
[17:41] <Sysi> see if it has settings for notifications
[17:41] <macsim> Sysi, no preference for this application
[17:50] <strtok> I've found that it's difficult to resize windows in xfce. The part of the window where you can click to resize is pretty narrow and sensitive. Is there a way to make it easier to resize?
[17:52] <GridCube> strtok, :) see the xubuntu's faqa
[17:52] <GridCube> http://xubuntu.org/news/category/faq/
[17:53] <strtok> thanks!
[18:32]  * murfman is away: I'm busy
[18:33] <pleia2> murfman: please don't use public away messages here
[18:49] <negueba> hey guys, i'm having a problem with my xubuntu. it does not eject pendrives. everytime i try to eject it i get a busy message
[20:28] <mubbes_> hi everybody
[20:33]  * murfman is back (gone 02:01:13)
[20:37] <mubbes_> i have a problem under xubuntu precise and quantal with debootstrap, lvm and luks. he doesn't find the root deice. the device mapper doesn't seem to work. Here's the error message, my config and the contents of initrd.img: http://pastebin.com/hWqvmYLV
[20:38] <mubbes_> thank you for your help in advance
[20:52] <recon_tv> hi, just wanted to ask, how well is the intel HD 3000 graphics supported, looking at a laptop and just wanted to ask
[20:52] <recon_tv> not so sure about no opengl
[20:53] <GridCube> intel drivers are pretty good
[20:53] <Deutopia> dont expect much opengl, and dont expect much performance
[20:56] <recon_tv> tries to reconcile pretty good and don't expect much?
[20:59] <Deutopia> its a GMA3000. even on windows it doesnt do much
[20:59] <Deutopia> oh HD 3000 my bad. but still
[21:04] <recon_tv> I see what you mean, pretty much at the bottom of the table of high end graphics cards
[21:06] <recon_tv> still, probably better than the nvidia m6800 i was using. but it does work ?
[21:07] <Sysi> should work great with current ubuntu
[21:08] <GridCube> i have found that the current drivers for intel are pretty good
[21:08] <GridCube> but i have a short experience, but then again thats the word on the interwebs
[21:09] <Sysi> chip isn't totally hopeless with 3D, on windows I've ran left4dead 1&2 and portal nicely
[21:12] <xubuntu434> 12.04.1-desktop-amd64 crashes trying to install, should I give 32-bit a shot?
[21:13] <recon_tv> well, not much of a gamer. bit of urban terror is about it
[21:13] <xubuntu434> I have a QC i7 @2.3Ghz
[21:14] <recon_tv> xubuntu434: can you boot a live CD/USB ?
[21:14] <xubuntu434> tried that first, but same segfault error
[21:14] <xubuntu434> strange really
[21:15] <recon_tv> xubuntu434: not really, look like you have a hardware incomparability, what the make and model?
[21:16] <recon_tv> xubuntu434: or a buggy install CD/usb
[21:16] <xubuntu434> asus n56vz laptop
[21:17] <Sysi> image may also have been damaged while downloading, unless you used torrent
[21:17] <xubuntu434> intel hd 4000/nvidia gt 650m graphics
[21:17] <xubuntu434> used torrent
[21:18] <recon_tv> xubuntu434: ok, check the download files MD5 checksum, seems that other people are using that laptop with ubuntu
[21:18] <Sysi> uh oh, switchable graphics may cause problems
[21:19] <Sysi> recon_tv: torrent does checksum by itself
[21:20] <recon_tv> maybe disabling optimua in the bios before install?
[21:21] <xubuntu434> checking md5
[21:22] <xubuntu434> md5 checks ok 16fea2603876247caf41f30066bc95e4 for amd-64.iso
[21:27] <xubuntu434> recon_tv: AFAIK, no bios level controls to disable optimus on my machine
[21:28] <xubuntu434> but I don't think that
[21:28] <xubuntu434> that's the issue really
[21:29] <recon_tv> xubuntu434: on idea really, was an option that I read somewhere, would of removed one possibility
[21:29] <xubuntu434> I see
[21:29] <recon_tv> xubuntu434: I'd get the alt install and try that
[21:29] <xubuntu434> ok, I guess that can't hurt
[21:30] <recon_tv> maybe pasting the stack trace of the crash would help
[21:31] <xubuntu434> yeah, but it doesn't even get to the install portion before segfaulting
[21:31] <recon_tv> the first couple of lines would be the most helpful if it long (which i expect it is)
[21:31] <xubuntu434> anyway thanks for your input, I will try the alt cd
[21:32] <xubuntu434> from what I can recall, it was an audio issue!
[21:33] <recon_tv> xubuntu434: well note it down, would be a great help looking for bug reports
[21:34] <xubuntu434> will do
[21:34] <xubuntu434> thanks again
[21:48] <nicklas> Hi. I'm running Ubuntu 12.04, but are having wifi problems. It is slow, takes a long time to connect and is stuck at a speed of 11Mb/s. My laptop have a AR9485. I can see on google this wifi-card is supported by ath9k. Is ath9k installed by default in the kernel? What can i do? Thanks.
[21:58] <recon_tv> nicklas: are you sure it's the OS, have you tried changing wifi channel
[22:02] <nicklas> recon_tv: I think so. I have another laptop connected with 54Mb/s speed rate.
[22:04] <recon_tv> nicklas: just thought i'd ask, do you really need more than 11Mb/s?
[22:12] <recon_tv> nicklas: might be related https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/951709
[22:14] <nicklas> recon_tv: 11Mb/s is a bit sad when i have a 100/100Mbit internet connection...
[22:15] <nicklas> recon_tv: I will check out that bug. Thanks
[22:16] <recon_tv> nicklas: sure, but how often do you get more than 11Mb/s connection, I 'v only ever seem a d/l hit 8Mb/s once, and that was a ubuntu update.
[22:17] <recon_tv> but nice connection :)
[22:18] <nicklas> I guess the speed rating means a much lower actual throughput, i'm getting like 0.5mb/s download
[22:18] <nicklas> Yes it is :)
[22:19] <nicklas> Proposed fix in launchpad bug did not work, thanks though. I guess I'll wait for a new kernel update
[22:23] <recon_tv> nicklas: whats the make model of the computer?
[22:29] <nicklas> Sony VAIO SVT13116FXS
[22:43] <recon_tv> nicklas: here is another similar problem http://askubuntu.com/questions/178494/very-very-slow-transfer-speeds-between-windows-7-and-samba-server-running-on-ubu
[23:02] <Ominara> Hi!
[23:42] <Tsavo> SSH into a fresh install of Xubuntu (12.04.1) suddenly having the Connection closed. -v flag reveals: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1213903/  usual fixes involving /etc/hosts aren't working
[23:44] <knome> Tsavo, i'd maybe even ask #ubuntu, since i doubt this is a xubuntu-specific issue