[00:14] <daker> whoever posted the link on @ubuntu account, the link is 404
[06:58] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: hey, what's happening with ubuntu on air? are we making it?
[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[07:08] <dholbach> daker, t'as vu les tweets #muslimrage? http://gawker.com/5943828 est très drôle :)
[07:09] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: hey, I'm setting the channel in ubuntuonair.com to #ubuntu-on-air, which is logged
[07:09] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, ok
[07:09] <dholbach> I'll change it on the ubuntuonair.com page as well
[07:10] <JoseeAntonioR> that's what I'm doing :P
[07:10] <JoseeAntonioR> we should set a redirect
[07:11] <dholbach> ok, fixed it on the page
[07:11] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: could you please set mode +if #ubuntu-on-air to #ubuntuonair? the first one is logged
[07:11] <JoseeAntonioR> great, then
[07:11] <JoseeAntonioR> how've you been, btw?
[07:13] <dholbach> good good - how about you?
[07:14] <JoseeAntonioR> great, trying to get along with school
[07:14] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, I'm not sure I have the privileges to do that in the channel
[07:14] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, that's why I asked bkerensa
[07:15] <dholbach> ah sorry
[07:15] <JoseeAntonioR> np
[07:15] <JoseeAntonioR> anyways, it's done now
[07:18] <dholbach> thanks a bunch
[07:19] <JoseeAntonioR> no prob
[07:19] <JoseeAntonioR> one last thing, I would like having someone from the dev team on the openweek, who can explain a bit how the dev teams work, who do you think it can be?
[07:22] <dholbach> I'm happy to do an introduction to Ubuntu development
[07:22] <dholbach> maybe even 2h
[07:22] <dholbach> and I'll try to find a co-host to make it a bit more fun
[07:22] <dholbach> an earlier session would be great
[07:23] <JoseeAntonioR> great, but make sure it doesn't crash with your schedule
[07:23] <JoseeAntonioR> what do you mean?
[07:23] <dholbach> the schedule on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek looks a bit broken
[07:23] <dholbach> 10 UTC
[07:23] <dholbach> next one: 13 UTC
[07:23] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, yep
[07:23] <JoseeAntonioR> because Mark's giving one at 10
[07:23] <JoseeAntonioR> sessions normally start at 13
[07:25] <dholbach> aha
[07:26] <JoseeAntonioR> so, you would prefer a session which starts earlier than 13?
[07:26] <dholbach> no, 13 is just fine
[07:27] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, on or off air?
[07:29] <dholbach> I don't know yet
[07:29] <dholbach> but I'll let you know
[07:30] <JoseeAntonioR> ok then, thanks! :)
[07:32]  * dholbach hugs JoseeAntonioR
[07:33]  * JoseeAntonioR hugs dholbach back
[07:37] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, I'm out, school awaits for me!
[07:41] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, see you! :)
[08:12] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:19] <philballew> Hello everybody!
[08:19] <czajkowski> philballew: howdy doody
[08:19] <czajkowski> you're up late
[08:20] <philballew> czajkowski, yeah, studying for a Spanish test tomorrow. I dont sleep well anyway.
[08:20] <philballew> Work going well this morning for you?
[08:21] <czajkowski> so far
[08:21] <czajkowski> I've seen some of the RTs in so I'm going to be busy
[08:21] <czajkowski> but I like to be busy so it's al good
[08:21] <philballew> I find at my job when theres nothing to do, thats when it feels like im working more then normal.
[08:23] <philballew> Some weird perception of time thing.
[08:23] <czajkowski> heh
[08:36] <dholbach> hey jono
[08:36] <jono> hey dholbach
[08:36] <dholbach> jono, dpm just texted me and said they have a power outage
[08:36] <jono> thanks for letting me know
[08:36] <jono> dholbach, want to hop on a call?
[08:36] <dholbach> so he'll wait a bit to see if it comes back and then find a place to work from if it doesn't
[08:36] <dholbach> sure
[08:36] <jono> dholbach, a likely story
[08:37] <jono> dpm is next a to a pool with a margherita
[08:37] <dholbach> yeah, or on a Spanish strike day - must be that time of the month again
[08:37] <jono> hah
[08:39] <jono> dholbach, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/d067025c45ada5a8ad072571842af9c025f1b3f8?ssc=eyJCIjpbbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsW11dLCJPIjpbbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLFtdLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLFtdLG51bGxdfQ%3D%3D&authuser=0&hl=en-US
[09:24] <dholbach> dpm, Alter
[09:24] <dholbach> dpm, wieder da?
[09:26] <dholbach> dpm_, power outage fixed or did you have to go somewhere else to work?
[09:28] <dpm> dholbach, I'm back home. I figured out it'd take me less time to wait than to drive to the city to find an internet cafe
[09:28] <dpm> it seems power is still a bit flaky
[09:28] <dpm> disconnecting every now and then
[09:45] <dholbach> jono, dpm just helped fix the packaging guide
[09:55] <jono> dholbach, cool!
[09:55] <jono> dholbach, looks great :-)
[10:19] <daker> dholbach: nice :D
[10:21] <dholbach> daker, it's hard to pick a favourite :)
[10:52] <czajkowski> daker: any idea why the thai loco are appearing twice on the LTP with 2 different re approval dates
[10:52] <daker> czajkowski: where ?
[10:53] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[10:53] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-th
[10:53] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/thai-locoteam
[10:55] <daker> czajkowski: i think this one "thai-locoteam" is old
[10:56] <czajkowski> ahh any idea how yo worked that out ?
[10:56] <czajkowski> just a bit confued
[10:56] <czajkowski> *confused
[10:56] <daker> give me sometimes so i can look at the code
[11:00] <czajkowski> ok thanks
[11:02] <daker> if i am not wrong there is a merge functionality in LTP, so they can merge the old team with the new one, right mhall119 cjohnston ?
[11:47] <cjohnston> are both members of locoteams
[13:15] <mhall119> daker: the funtionality is there, yes
[13:15] <mhall119> IIRC, they have to be members of, or admins of, both teams
[14:10] <daker> nigelb: http://xkcd-map.rent-a-geek.de/
[14:10] <nigelb> daker: already saw that large map :)
[14:10] <daker> :)
[14:18]  * czajkowski is looking forward to meeting randall in 2 weeks time 
[14:18] <czajkowski> He's coming to Ireland :D
[15:50] <popey> jcastro, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12248111#post12248111
[15:50] <popey> Dan Gilmore asking for help
[16:19] <jono> dpm, hey
[16:19] <dpm> jono, hey. Can we jump on the phone?
[16:19] <jono> dpm, sure
[16:20] <dpm> just a sec, I'll set up the hangout
[16:20] <jono> dpm, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/baf7c0fe5b899d410de8f1bd07f8e9993551eb93?ssc=eyJCIjpbbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsW11dLCJPIjpbbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLFtdLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLFtdLG51bGxdfQ%3D%3D&authuser=0&hl=en-US
[16:22] <jono> dpm, ^
[16:24] <dholbach> alright, I'll call it a day - see you tomorrow
[16:25] <czajkowski> dholbach: toodles
[16:25] <jono> dpm, I am calling
[16:25] <dholbach> bye
[16:25] <jono> no answer
[16:25] <dpm> jono, weird, I cannot see anyone calling. Let me restart skype
[16:25] <jono> dpm, you call me
[16:26] <dpm> jono, ok, calling
[16:26] <jono> cool
[16:26] <jono> I don't see anything
[17:15] <daker> me
[17:15] <daker> me too mhall119
[17:16] <daker> it works now
[18:49] <bkerensa> jono: is it possible to get a name or e-mail of someone working on Ubuntu for Android?
[18:49] <bkerensa> I have someone from Mozilla OS team who would love to chat with them
[19:22] <mhall119> bkerensa: Ubuntu for Mozilla OS?
[19:22] <marcoceppi> Mozilla OS for Ubuntu for Android?
[19:23] <bkerensa> mhall119: no... Someone from the Mozilla OS Team wants to chat with the Ubuntu on Android team
[19:26] <mhall119> I was asking if that's what they wanted to chat about
[19:28] <AlanBell> is mozilla OS different to Firefox OS (boot to gecko)
[19:29] <mhall119> popey: can you help bkerensa?
[19:30] <bkerensa> AlanBell: No same thing... Mozilla OS/B2G/Firefox OS all code names :)
[19:30] <bkerensa> we dont have a official name yet I dont think
[19:32] <AlanBell> ok, are you running it yet?
[19:53] <bkerensa> AlanBell: me? No I am getting a Mozilla Phone though and have played with it
[19:53] <bkerensa> its very nice
[19:55] <AlanBell> I had a really quick play with an early version at the mozspace in London
[19:55] <AlanBell> quite tempted to put it on my phone
[19:56] <bkerensa> ahh :)
[19:56] <bkerensa> so we had 7 different devices at the Music Hack Day in Portland here a few weeks back
[19:56] <bkerensa> and its way faster than any oem install of android I have seen
[19:57] <AlanBell> yeah, it did seem quick
[19:57] <bkerensa> I have a brand new Samsung Galaxy Verb and its slower that a Moz Phone
[19:57] <mhall119> bkerensa: what is it under the hood?
[19:57] <bkerensa> Its Android
[19:57] <bkerensa> but stripped down
[19:57] <bkerensa> with html5 apps
[19:57] <AlanBell> it is an android kernel and a web server
[19:57] <bkerensa> yes
[19:57] <bkerensa> :D
[19:57] <bkerensa> serving html5
[19:57] <bkerensa> :D
[19:57] <AlanBell> and gecko looking at the local webserver
[19:57] <bkerensa> Yep
[19:57] <bkerensa> :D
[19:57] <mhall119> webserver?
[19:58] <bkerensa> unsure let me check
[19:59] <AlanBell> actually offline HTML5 applications kind of blur the lines between what is and is not a server
[20:00] <bkerensa> mhall119: busybox's
[20:00] <bkerensa> so busybox httpd
[20:01] <bkerensa> mhall119: So if I am at UDS next cycle I will bring down a Mozilla phone
[20:01] <bkerensa> :)
[20:01] <mhall119> bkerensa: cool, I'd like to see it
[20:01] <popey> mhall119, bkerensa yo!
[20:01] <bkerensa> popey: yo
[20:03] <popey> mozilla want to talk to us?
[20:03] <popey> my irony meter exploded
[20:03] <czajkowski> *grin*
[20:03] <czajkowski> popey: I think your sarcasim meter may have moved also!:)
[20:03] <bkerensa> popey: a Mozilla employee yep he is also a Ubuntu User :)
[20:04] <popey> can you get me his details and what specifically he's interested in talking about and I'll find the right person
[20:04] <bkerensa> kk
[20:05] <popey> awesome
[20:05]  * AlanBell wonders if Firefox will get unity webapps in 12.10
[20:06] <mhall119> AlanBell: it already does
[20:06] <mhall119> I thought
[20:06] <bkerensa> popey: Benjamin Kero bkero@mozilla.com
[20:06] <mhall119> another Ben K. huh?
[20:06] <AlanBell> orly?
[20:06] <bkerensa> ;0 be lucky he doesn't idle here... his nick is bkero
[20:06] <bkerensa> ;p
[20:07]  * AlanBell is fairly sure firefox does not have the webapps api right now, just chromium
[20:09] <bkerensa> so sad considering chromium is not actively maintained in Ubuntu
[20:09] <bkerensa> =/
[20:11] <mhall119> AlanBell: well it used to...
[20:11] <AlanBell> I am not sure why it isn't there in 12.10, however I suspect the reason may relate to popey's irony meter
[20:13] <bkerensa> Does anyone know how and where Online Accounts credentials are stored?
[20:13] <bkerensa> popey: anytime you need someone in Mozilla let me know I can grab you the right person from phonebook
[20:14] <popey> it does AlanBell
[20:15] <popey> the work was done on ff a while back
[20:18] <AlanBell> must be getting a bit tight to wriggle it in for 12.10 now
[20:18] <AlanBell> but bigger things have been sabdlf'd in during the last week before :)
[20:24] <daker> what shoud l call myself Ubuntu Community Member? Ubuntu Member ? or just Ubuntu Contributor ?
[20:24] <daker> should call*
[20:26] <czajkowski> daker: in what manner
[20:26] <czajkowski> on emails
[20:26] <czajkowski> or on applications
[20:26] <daker> presentation(slides)
[20:26] <czajkowski> *loaths* evangelist
[20:26] <czajkowski> daker: well you contrbite, you're an ubuntu member
[20:26] <czajkowski> so why not both :)
[20:27] <daker> ok
[20:27] <czajkowski> daker: I often find maybe bullet points to decribe yourself and talk around them what they mean for you
[20:27] <czajkowski> as you develper contribute to Ubuntu where as someoe else may not dev but does contribute in other ways
[20:28] <cjohnston> Ubuntu Community Contributor?
[20:28] <czajkowski> also sometimes people dont fully understand what an Ubuntu member is and the process
[20:28] <czajkowski> cjohnston: advocate...
[20:28] <bkerensa> or just a name?
[20:28] <bkerensa> :D
[20:33] <popey> name and email / twitter / irc handle is all I do
[20:33] <popey> maybe "Elvis Impersonator"
[20:34] <bkerensa> name / url / ubuntu quote for @ubuntu.com
[20:34] <pleia2> I was at a job interview and one of the guys interviewing goes "I knew your name was familiar, I'm on some Ubuntu mailing list and I see your name in "From:" all the time!"
[20:34] <pleia2> so now I just go by "awesome"
[20:35] <bkerensa> pleia2: LOL
[20:35] <pleia2> :)
[20:35] <pleia2> it was a good interview
[20:45] <mhall119> pleia2: did you get that job/
[20:45] <mhall119> ?
[20:45] <pleia2> mhall119: waiting on an offer :)
[20:45] <mhall119> they're probably thinking "Oh no, she'll take over *everything*"
[20:45] <pleia2> "perfect!"
[20:46] <mhall119> if that's their reaction, then it's a place worth working at :)
[20:46] <pleia2> hehe
[20:46] <czajkowski> :-)
[20:47] <daker> sometimes people thinks that Ubuntu member means Ubuntu Dev/MOTU and they tells me if i have upload access to the archive :D
[20:53] <bkerensa> lol
[20:53] <bkerensa> I think many people think they are automatically Ubuntu Members by being involved in the community
[20:53] <bkerensa> 90% of people requesting to join the official member linked in are not Ubuntu Members or are Canonical employees who also are not members
[21:13] <czajkowski> have folks seen http://blog.launchpad.net/general/privacy-for-blueprints-enabled-for-beta-testers
[21:43] <daker> does anyone have stats about ubuntu ?
[21:45] <bkerensa> daker: sabdfl seems to :)
[21:45] <bkerensa> http://www.datamation.com/open-source/desktop-linux-has-ubuntus-unity-surpassed-the-mac-1.html
[21:46] <popey> daker, what kind of stats?
[21:47] <daker> anything, users on the forum, how many developers working on it, how many packages do we have in the archive ?
[21:50] <daker> popey: ^
[21:50] <pleia2> ubuntuforums.org has stats on the bottom of the front page: Threads: 1,876,553, Beans: 11,612,613, Members: 1,732,566, Active Members: 31,021
[21:51] <pleia2> and you can look at the launchpad teams to find membership numbers of various teams
[21:51] <pleia2> https://launchpad.net/~motu and https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev are good places to look
[21:52] <daker> oh yeah thanks pleia2 :)
[21:53] <pleia2> trying to figure out the best place to grab number of packages, hm
[21:54] <pleia2> http://askubuntu.com/questions/120630/how-many-packages-are-in-the-main-repository has a good answer
[21:56] <daker> pleia2: http://i.imgur.com/vvxyo.png ? at the bottom of USC
[21:57] <pleia2> daker: yeah, it's somewhere around 40k if you count all the shipped repos so that seems accurate
[21:57] <IdleOne> muon package manager shows 40788 packages
[21:58] <pleia2> (that number will include PPAs and other repos you enabled)
[21:58] <AlanBell> yeah, but most are not what people would call apps
[21:58] <daker> yeah i have ppas
[21:58] <IdleOne> no ppa's here
[21:58] <daker> thanks IdleOne
[21:58] <pleia2> yeah, that's just "packages" - not apps (so includes libraries, docs, translations and all kinds of things)
[21:59] <IdleOne> also includes virtual packages, metapackages.
[22:27] <popey> daker, ~592 canonical employees
[22:28] <popey> daker, also note that pay-for games are in PPAs (private ones)
[22:28] <popey> so might not be obvious how many there are
[22:38] <cjohnston> balloons: nice post today
[22:38] <daker> popey: thank you :)
[22:39] <cjohnston> sounds like, as always, hggdh doin a great job too :-)
[22:39] <pleia2> cjohnston: classbot has been gone for a couple weeks, can you PM me the address again?
[22:39]  * hggdh blushes
[22:42] <cjohnston> I know.. lol :-P
[22:42] <cjohnston> gotta tell you good job every once in a while.. hehe
[22:43] <hggdh> :-)
[22:49] <balloons> cjohnston, thanks :-)
[22:49] <balloons> and yes... hggdh is an allstar
[22:56] <cjohnston> thankfully I have a few days before my next call with him, maybe his head will be back to a normal size by then after that comment
[23:01] <JoseeAntonioR> hey guys, has anyone recieved the Official Ubuntu Book from Pearson (via UPS) over here?
[23:02] <pleia2> I got one, but I don't remember what carrier sent it
[23:03] <JoseeAntonioR> UPS is trying to charge me an amount of around 35 dollars, seems weird
[23:03] <JoseeAntonioR> just for recieving it
[23:03] <pleia2> :\
[23:04] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll just send an email and see what I can do