[09:41] <airurando> morning
[09:44] <slashbel> good morning
[09:44] <czajkowski> howdy folks
[09:46] <slashbel> when do you arrive back home czajkowski?
[09:46] <tdr112> morning
[09:46] <airurando> hows the jaw czajkowski
[09:47] <airurando> This morning I washed the Ubuntu LoCo Team Tablecloth in preparation for skycon.
[09:48] <czajkowski> airurando: sore :/
[09:48] <czajkowski> I really do need to go to a dentist..
[09:48] <czajkowski> taking asprin instead atm
[09:48] <czajkowski> slashbel: 5/6 oct need to book flights
[09:48] <airurando> you should just bite the bullet
[09:49] <airurando> surely someone over there can recommend a good one.
[09:49] <slashbel> aye, you will be glad you did afterwards
[09:53] <czajkowski> you just dont get the fear
[09:53] <czajkowski> I really am not good with dentists
[09:53] <czajkowski> :(
[09:55] <ebel> erk :(
[09:55] <ebel> Try to fight the fear and go in and just do it....
[09:56] <czajkowski> I can just about open it wide enough to put one and a half fingers
[09:56] <ebel> :(
[09:58] <airurando> I do hope you can get past the fear and find a dentist you like and trust.
[09:59] <czajkowski> me too
[09:59] <czajkowski> until then
[09:59] <czajkowski> pain killers
[09:59] <czajkowski> and being rather non talkitive
[09:59] <airurando> :(
[10:00] <zmoylan> had the same probelm with dentists years ago.  a friend recommend a great one who i've stuck with since.  maybe ask on twitter for recommendations?
[10:01] <delcoyote> apt-get dentist czajkowski
[10:01] <czajkowski> I had a nice one down in abbeyfeal I used to go to
[10:01] <czajkowski> they gave me eye treks to wear and earphones
[10:02] <slashbel> aye czajkowski recommended me a dentist, have used them ever since :)
[10:02] <czajkowski> so I couldnt see or hear
[10:02] <ebel> I know someone else who has a fear of denstists, and also waits too long before going
[10:02] <czajkowski> I then moved to dublin and went to smiles and they were really good
[10:02] <ebel> czajkowski: hehe, good idea, blindfold etc. the person so they can't hear... Very clever
[10:03] <ebel> You could bring your own blindfold? Borrow some noise cancelling headphones?
[10:03] <airurando> I'm sure there are equally good (if not better) places in London.
[10:04] <slashbel> not nhs though
[10:04] <zmoylan> the problem is that one persons good dentist isn't so great for another as expectactions and preferences differ.
[10:04] <czajkowski> nods
[10:05] <slashbel> i like smiles, nice and modern… no crusty old man with old machines
[10:05] <zmoylan> and there is a lot of trust required with dentistry. to me at least.
[10:15] <czajkowski> zmoylan: exactly me also
[10:15] <czajkowski> smiles were really good as I got a guy who understood I was nervous
[10:15] <czajkowski> so he explained everything he was doign and when he was doing it
[10:15] <zmoylan> and it's harder to create that trust when we are going there for the first time in pain
[10:16] <czajkowski> :/
[10:16] <czajkowski> indeed
[10:17] <zmoylan> my dentists approach was simply to say let me know if you feel anything and we'll simply make you more numb.  even his trick with injecting the needle means you don't feel it.
[10:17] <czajkowski> nice
[10:17] <czajkowski> I think it's also the noise I associate with pain
[10:18] <zmoylan> he presses his fingernail into the point of injection and increases pressure and then slides the needle in and lessens the pressure so that there is no sting of the needle.  ingenious.
[10:18] <czajkowski> ah
[12:30] <zmoylan> and assuming that everyone has 2 names is just dumbness squared.
[12:31] <zmoylan> whoops wrong channel
[12:40] <czajkowski> lol
[12:48] <zmoylan> discussing nymwars and g+ elsewhere.
[12:49] <ebel> Firstname Lastname ?
[12:49] <zmoylan> and what about folks who have mononyms?
[12:49] <ebel> or 3
[12:49] <zmoylan> christian name, surname, given name and family name.  the order the names are given even changes depending on the culture
[12:50] <zmoylan> so you have to hope the person writing in the information knows ALL the customs across the planet to get it right.  better just having one large name field.
[12:52] <ebel> yep. likewise for addresses.
[12:52]  * ebel doesn't have a christian name
[12:52] <zmoylan> and don't get me started on date formats *nervous tic* :-)
[12:53] <ebel> hehe
[12:53] <czajkowski> zmoylan: oh join the club
[12:53] <czajkowski> not a lover of double barrel names after working in the health board for years
[12:53] <czajkowski> messes massively with the DB
[12:53] <czajkowski> and also peopl often switch them around
[12:53] <czajkowski> or go by one and not the other
[12:53] <zmoylan> it's like when i was being checked into st. vincents and they wouldn't allow athiest as religion so i chose church of the flying spaghetti monster. :-D
[12:54] <zmoylan> and gender with only 2 options is another.
[12:54] <czajkowski> zmoylan: half the problem is the back end they enter the detauls in needs some fields filled in
[12:54] <czajkowski> and there is no way to edit the system
[12:54] <ebel> zmoylan: they are required under the data protection acts to store personal data correctly.
[12:54] <ebel> they would be breaking the law not to store it. :P
[12:54] <zmoylan> or sql databases that don't allow ' in names like o'brien
[12:55] <czajkowski> no the HSe db does do that
[12:55] <ebel> (I know it's not the fault nor within the power of the clerk at the front, but tis interesting to know that "Yes you are breaking the law" :) )
[12:55] <czajkowski> but also the people inputting them dont always do the ' bit
[12:55] <czajkowski> ebel: yeah been on the end of some of that before
[12:55] <czajkowski> but the system will not let you do some things
[12:56] <czajkowski> so you're kinda caught as well
[12:56] <zmoylan> then it's a bad system
[12:56] <czajkowski> and can you imagine the cost associate with that over all
[12:56] <czajkowski> PAS is an evil system
[12:56] <ebel> Yeah. Solution is to write to the HSE or whatever, tell them their personal data is incorrect, then if they don't change it to write to Data Protection Commisioner. No point yelling at clerk.
[12:57] <ebel> (Once an organisation is told the data they hold is incorrect, they are legally required to change it, or they're breaking the law)
[12:57] <czajkowski> ebel: nods
[12:57] <czajkowski> also a pita the system is not connected up country wide
[12:57] <zmoylan> not always a solution.  the irish central registry won't allow you to change your name to a mononym. no legal reason either.  just custom
[12:57] <czajkowski> so they all log into the PAS system as that's the db system each hosptail uses
[12:57] <czajkowski> but details are stored in each hospital differently
[12:58] <ebel> zmoylan: friend of friend in UK changed her surname to just one letter. Causes no end of headscratching apparently
[12:58] <zmoylan> dates back to the vikings for tax reasons.  only 1000 years old.  irish names were mononyms before that.
[12:58] <ebel> apparently in the UK you cannot not have a surname (legally) so they are probably not breaking the law to have that.
[12:58] <ebel> might be the same in ireland.
[12:59] <zmoylan> it's just that in ireland a nickname can be more known and used than a legal name.  my aunt was known as tiddles all her life since childhood.  it was only after her funeral that i asked what her birthname was.
[13:00] <czajkowski> zmoylan: sure Jon the other half is Jon to me but that's not his birthcert name
[13:00] <czajkowski> but *all* stuff is logged as jon except flights and passport
[13:01] <ebel> A lot of older women might be called mary (say), but go by another name for all of the life. Can be a bit annoying when doing out a death cert to ensure you have the right name apparently
[13:01] <ebel> czajkowski: aye, always get flight tickets in passport name. Simple and easy to follow rule.
[13:01] <zmoylan> my fathers name was william desmond moylan.  nobody, but nobody called him any of that.  des or dessy depending on familiarity.