[04:02] <wxl> i guess there's no hope of me doing ppc testing given i can't get usb boot to work and even the alternate is larger than a cd :/
[08:01] <elfy> morning jono
[08:01] <elfy> assuming you are still in the UK :)
[08:16] <jono> elfy, morning!
[08:16] <jono> indeed :-)
[08:18] <elfy> well I hope the sun is shining jono - it is down here
[08:18] <jono> elfy, it is so far :-)
[08:19] <elfy> :) and if I don't see you before - good luck with the pitter pattering ... all good fun that'll be lol
[09:28] <jamespage> jibel, plars: who should I be talking to about the existing upgrade tests for ubuntu server?
[09:34] <jibel> jamespage, both of us
[09:34] <jamespage> jibel, great - do you have time to talk now?
[09:35] <jibel> jamespage, I do but plars is not online, it'd be better if he could attend since he's taking it over from me
[09:35] <jamespage> jibel, sure - OK
[09:36] <jibel> jamespage, we can organize something later today
[09:36] <jamespage> jibel, that would be great - yes please
[09:37] <jibel> jamespage, your preferred channel ? irc, mumble, g+, something else ?
[09:37] <jamespage> jibel, g+ is good for me
[09:38] <jibel> jamespage, 1700UTC would be ok for you ?
[09:38] <jibel> 1500UTC (1700 localtime)
[09:39] <jamespage> 1500 UTC is good with me
[09:41] <jibel> jamespage, great. invitation sent
[09:43] <jamespage> jibel, excellet!
[11:15] <elfy> balloons: http://pastebin.com/jjFyKs3Z    - also should install take 2 hours ?
[12:24] <smartboyhw> silverarrow: You want to learn taoism? LOL
[12:24] <silverarrow> when I registered the name i had been watching old paintings, and one was called "looking for the dao in spring"
[12:25] <silverarrow> chinese paintings
[12:25] <silverarrow> drawings really
[12:25] <silverarrow> and the nick got sort of stuck
[12:27] <smartboyhw> lol
[12:31] <balloons> elfy, no not at all.. how'd it take 2 hours?
[12:32] <smartboyhw> balloons: Awake so early!!?!?!?!?
[12:32] <balloons> smartboyhw, unknown command: awake. Please use HELP to see a list of available commands
[12:32] <elfy> balloons: no idea - always does with this usb stick
[12:32] <balloons> likely the usb stick has really really SLOW flash write speed
[12:32] <elfy> but I did it and made the notes as pastebin
[12:33] <balloons> is it a cheap usb stick?
[12:33] <elfy> well it's fine in this install - just takes forever to install to it
[12:33] <elfy> not especially so
[12:33] <smartboyhw> balloons: LOL
[12:35] <elfy> balloons:  but the whole thing is dead slow even when installed - so ...
[12:35] <balloons> ahh.. that flash drive sounds really suspect
[12:35] <balloons> have you another to try it on?
[12:36] <elfy> possibly
[12:37] <balloons> elfy, looking at your pastebin
[12:37] <balloons> which testcase is this?
[12:38] <elfy> armhf+omap4 entire disk
[12:39] <balloons> elfy, ok, right now the arm install instructions are using the default ubuntu desktop installation instructions
[12:39] <elfy> thought as much
[12:39] <balloons> I'd hate to fragment the instructions, if we can avoid it
[12:39] <smartboyhw> balloons: You thought since astraljava showed up a bit will he come to today´s meeting?
[12:40] <balloons> but your right.. the instructions don't make sense for removing the install medium, etc
[12:40] <elfy> balloons: well that kind of makes them pointless imho
[12:40] <balloons> lol :-)
[12:40] <balloons> so we have a choice to make I guess
[12:41] <elfy> that's like saying we used to make cars and have QA set up for it - now the motorbikes are all failing QA because they only have 2 wheels :P
[12:42] <elfy> because if arm is being tested against a testcase that says remove the install medium and you need it in to boot - then all you are going to get is constant fails on the tracker ;)
[12:43] <smartboyhw> :)
[12:43] <elfy> just my tuppence worth balloons ;)
[12:43]  * smartboyhw is looking at the QA Meeting agenda and finds out that the ppc issue is still a big one
[12:44] <elfy> but if we are trying to set things up properly - then they should be correct for the test :)
[12:47] <smartboyhw> Sorry got a lag
[12:50] <balloons> elfy, yes it should be correct
[12:50] <balloons> so, again, we convulate the main testcases
[12:50] <elfy> :)
[12:50] <smartboyhw> ;)
[12:50] <balloons> or fork them into arm specific tests
[12:51] <elfy> I guess they should be specific
[12:51] <balloons> I'm happy with the decision you make
[12:51] <balloons> although I'm thinking there's really only one choice :-)
[12:51]  * elfy makes decisions on the forum ... 
[12:51] <smartboyhw> lol
[12:51] <balloons> please do fix the typo in the main testcase however :-)
[12:52] <elfy> how?
[12:54] <elfy> k - found another stick - will have a look
[12:54] <balloons> elfy, edit the testcases install(entire disk)
[12:55] <balloons> it will be fixed then
[12:55] <balloons> err.. are you not on the admin's team?
[12:55] <balloons> :-)
[12:55] <elfy> :p
[12:55] <smartboyhw> balloons: No
[12:55] <balloons> we can fix that
[12:55] <smartboyhw> elf6ś not:)
[12:55] <elfy> mmm - can we ...
[12:55] <balloons> ohh yes indeed!
[12:55] <smartboyhw> Though certainly I like elfy to join:)
[12:56] <balloons> it's up to you.. lol.. if you'd like the responsibility, I can make it happen
[12:56] <elfy> balloons: if you do that then astraljava will know ... :p
[12:56] <smartboyhw> ;P
[12:56] <balloons> if not, you can work as-is
[12:56] <elfy> balloons: yea - go ahead :)
[12:56] <balloons> astraljava is on the team :-)
[12:56] <smartboyhw> :-)
[12:56] <elfy> balloons: ok so this install will have to be quicker than 2 hours or little one will know I've nicked her stick :p
[12:57] <balloons> elfy, fingers crossed
[12:57] <smartboyhw> little one = ?
[12:57] <balloons> ok, your all set
[12:57] <elfy> balloons: I know - that'll be 2 people here doing xubuntu stuff
[12:57] <balloons> let me send you the info
[12:57] <elfy> ok
[12:57] <balloons> pasi is also on the team!
[12:57] <smartboyhw> So three
[12:57] <balloons> it's all xubuntu!
[12:57] <smartboyhw> That IS a lot:)
[12:57] <elfy> I know that too :)
[12:57] <balloons> xubuntu rocks, n'est pas?
[12:57] <smartboyhw> Gee that makes it three
[12:57]  * smartboyhw does think Xubuntu rocks
[12:57] <elfy> balloons: it does that :)
[12:58] <balloons> elfy, here's what you need to know; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseAdmins
[12:58]  * smartboyhw welcomes elfy to the team
[12:58] <elfy> balloons: so another completely different thing - how can an old bug be a duplicate of a new one ...
[12:58] <balloons> did I dupe your bugs incorrectly?
[12:58] <smartboyhw> elfy: Normally doesn´t new ones marked as dups of the old one?
[12:59] <elfy> balloons: well the old one is dupe of new one - but it doesn't matter much :)
[12:59] <elfy> unless lp decides to have a fit and fall over sideways lol
[13:00] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:00] <balloons> elfy, so specifically, there's a sandbox you can play in to learn things
[13:00] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseAdmins/ManagementOverview
[13:00] <balloons> sandbox is here; http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/
[13:01]  * smartboyhw decides to play the sandbox a bit
[13:01] <elfy> ok - for the moment
[13:02] <smartboyhw> balloons: What the
[13:02] <smartboyhw> Why can´t I edit the testcases in the sandbox?
[13:02] <smartboyhw> You do not have any administrative items.
[13:02] <smartboyhw> Grrrrr....
[13:03] <balloons> smartboyhw, you should be able to
[13:03] <smartboyhw> balloons: No I am NOT able to
[13:03] <smartboyhw> elfy: See if you are able to:)
[13:03] <balloons> smartboyhw, ohh
[13:03] <balloons> lookey there..
[13:03] <balloons> it's broken for me to
[13:03] <balloons> :-)
[13:04] <balloons> there is dev work being done on it
[13:04] <smartboyhw> ...
[13:05] <balloons> We'll get it settled today hopefully
[13:05] <smartboyhw> ;)
[13:05] <balloons> for now, you know how to use things smartboyhw :-0
[13:05] <smartboyhw> Let me put it in the meeting agenda:)
[13:05] <smartboyhw> balloons: LOL
[13:06] <phillw> balloons: looks s-tgraber is working bhind the scenes on it :)
[13:06] <balloons> phillw, yes indeed
[13:06] <smartboyhw> ;)
[13:06] <balloons> the tracker changes are coming out this week
[13:07] <smartboyhw> I added the agenda item lol
[13:07] <elfy> balloons: ok - so I successfully killed the whole testcases
[13:07] <elfy> and changed are to area :)
[13:08] <smartboyhw> elfy: What do you mean by killing them?
[13:08] <elfy> I'll look at all that stuff when I get a quiet 5 minutes
[13:09] <balloons> this is the testsuite for armhf http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/266/edit
[13:09] <balloons> you can write the new cases and assign them there
[13:09] <balloons> thanks elfy
[13:09] <elfy> ok
[13:21] <smartboyhw> Oh no phillw has quit!
[13:26] <njin> ouch, balloons already lifted up '
[13:26] <smartboyhw> lol njin
[13:26] <njin> ?
[13:29] <balloons> njin, howdy
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Action item for today: balloons to keep asking on http://qa.ubuntu.com/ time update
[13:30] <balloons> smartboyhw, did you update the agenda on the wiki?
[13:30] <smartboyhw> Yes I did:)
[13:30] <balloons> please do so if you would :-)
[13:30] <balloons> thx
[13:31] <elfy> well it's a 'bit' quicker with this stick ...
[13:31] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:32] <smartboyhw> balloons: You want to teach sth in Ubuntu Open Week? LOL
[13:35] <balloons> sandbox should be working again elfy and smartboyhw
[13:35] <balloons> njin, you have a moment to chat?
[13:35] <smartboyhw> balloons: Works:)
[13:44] <smartboyhw> Yay phillw is back
[13:46] <phillw> smartboyhw: yeah, had a few updates to do ... am now on Chrome Version 23.0.1270.0 dev (I run the daily)
[13:46] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:46] <smartboyhw> 15 minutes till meeting everybody:)
[13:51] <njin> balloons, yes now I'm free
[13:52] <balloons> njin, excellent.. As you know this week has been all about getting our testcases up to snuff for beta2
[13:52] <njin> ok
[13:52] <balloons> so I wanted to chat with you about getting server completely done
[13:52] <njin> mine only problems are with maas virtualized
[13:53] <smartboyhw> lol my trick worked
[13:54] <balloons> njin, do you think we can put up the unmodified maas testcase?
[13:54] <smartboyhw> I included a freenode webchat link in my mail that directs people to go to #ubuntu-testing and #ubuntu-meeting using ubuntutesting-* nick lol
[13:54] <balloons> i'd like to get everything up.. I know it's going to take some work with the server team to continue refining the cases
[13:58] <njin> balloons, no, actually they aren't at all testcases, just strips of docs, and the problem is only to have it working on vm, and maas dhcp won't run during the installation (bug laready reported)
[13:59] <balloons> njin, I guess I'm a bit confused, I'll have to take a specific look at it again after I finish up this testcase and our meeting
[13:59] <njin> for the rest i can run a quick install to verify that nothing has changed and publish all the works done
[13:59] <balloons> njin, I think it's publish time.. I agree
[13:59] <smartboyhw> balloons: MEETING TIME
[13:59] <njin> ok, i verify
[13:59] <balloons> I gave the server folks a heads up we'd be pushing the stuff in today
[14:00] <njin> great
[14:00] <balloons> thanks njin! and really amazing work done on this
[14:00] <plars> jibel, jamespage: don't suppose you want to meet a bit earlier? I have a conflict in +1 hour from now
[14:00] <balloons> it was not an easy task
[14:01] <jibel> plars, now works for me too. I didn't know at what time you wake up, and took a security margin :)
[14:02] <plars> jibel: if it works for jamespage, we can talk now
[14:16] <jibel> plars, jamespage meeting moved tomorrow 1500UTC
[14:48] <jamespage> jibel, plars: ack - sorry was afk for a while
[14:56] <phillw> balloons: present, ping me when you're done in -release
[14:59] <njin> balloons, ok nothing changed, can be published,Ii will take it synced
[14:59] <balloons> njin, ok, is there a case for everything on the wiki?
[15:00] <balloons> so I can just point server at 'ubuntu server' testsuite?
[15:09] <njin> balloons, no, it needs to be completed, remaining: maas (mandatory), iscsi, no network, rescue(run at once)
[15:09] <njin> the rest is ok
[15:10] <balloons> njin right.. so can we push all of those out.. even untested
[15:10] <balloons> just convert them without verifying and place them in the testsuite
[15:10] <balloons> the server team can help do them, since as mentioned it's hard.. or in some causes there are bugs preventing verification
[15:11] <njin> yes, I'm working with maas in VB, but till isn't fixed maas-dhcp i'm locked
[15:11] <balloons> right.. but the testcase is still potentially valid
[15:11] <balloons> so let's put it up
[15:12] <balloons> I mean, we can edit it afterwards
[15:12] <njin> good
[15:12] <balloons> but I don't want to hold the others up, and we have to have them all represented
[15:13] <njin> sure, I hope to meeto someone server-expert at uds so i can follow this brach of testcases
[15:13] <balloons> njin, we can arrange that :-)
[15:13] <njin> great again
[15:15] <njin> I think that the bella center in the uds days cannot contain our big brains
[15:19] <balloons> njin, lol
[15:19] <balloons> I can't stop laughing
[15:20] <smartboyhw> lol lol lol lol
[16:19] <phillw> balloons: have you time for bug 1046563
[16:19] <balloons> phillw, fire away.. I'm not going to have true free time today
[16:20] <balloons> it's a busy week
[16:20] <phillw> indeed, any ideas what needs doing to have it looked at? Normally Julien would pick up on it...
[16:21] <phillw> I'm surmising it is lubuntu specific, does it wait until he returns>
[16:21] <phillw> s/>/?
[16:25] <balloons> we can speak with mvo about it
[16:26] <balloons> ping mvo, if you are about.. I'm guessing it's close to EOD for you.. Just wondering if you could provide insight on an update-manger bug. https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046563
[16:27] <balloons> phillw, I think it would be best to talk with someone from the team for debugging help and to bring it to there attenton
[16:27] <mvo> balloons: yeah, eod ineed, let me check
[16:28] <balloons> mvo, thank you very much.. mostly just curious how we could debug it more, or help towards resolving it
[16:29] <mvo> balloons: that sounds like its actually update-notifier is the problem here (sorry, I know its a bit confusing). so update-manager is "just" the gui, update-notifier is the daemon running in the background - do you still run this daemon? and if so, what the mode you use? there is "show updates only ever 7 days" and "show updates everytime something is available"
[16:30] <mvo> balloons: so I would first check a) is update-notifier running at all? b) what does it output when you run "killall update-notifier; update-notifier --debug-updates"
[16:30] <balloons> mvo, excellent.. yes that makes sense
[16:31] <balloons> checking now...
[16:32] <balloons> k, update notifier is running indeed
[16:33] <balloons> hmm.. phillw, I am wondering if it's simply a setting issue
[16:33] <phillw> balloons: from the bug report, they said they have it set to daily?
[16:33] <balloons> as mentioned, we should have the bug reporter check to see if the 'when there are other updates' is set to show immediately
[16:34] <balloons> yes, check daily.. but there's a setting as well for displaying them
[16:34] <balloons> by default, it looks like it's weekly
[16:36] <balloons> phillw, I would update the bug with mvo's comments and have them check. thank you mvo
[16:38] <mvo> balloons: cool, keep me updated and let me know if you need further assistance
[16:39] <mvo> balloons: "gsettings get com.ubuntu.update-notifier auto-launch" is probably also interessting - the output of that
[16:40] <mvo> balloons: when "auto-launch" is true it mean it will launch update-manager when there are security updates or launch it ever 7 days for normal updates
[16:40] <mvo> balloons: when set to false it never auto-launches update-manager but instead shows a notification icon when there are updates
[16:40] <balloons> mvo, ohh interesting
[16:41] <balloons> phillw, ok, so on my text lubuntu box, given mvo's info, I can make update-manager work properly
[16:41] <balloons> or display the symptoms the bug reporter is having
[16:41] <mvo> balloons: gtg, see you later
[16:41] <balloons> bye!
[16:42] <balloons> kanliot, ping
[16:42] <balloons> wxl, ping
[16:42] <mvo> bye
[16:43] <phillw> hmm, so it appears that the default settings are incorrect?
[16:45] <balloons> phillw, well.. they are inconsistent with there expectations
[16:45] <balloons> mine too :-)
[16:55] <balloons> njin, how's it coming?
[16:58] <njin> balloons, ?? what??
[16:58] <balloons> njin, it's a crazy week..  perhaps I'm confusing you
[16:59] <balloons> these server testcases are going to be the death of things eh?
[16:59] <balloons> I want to get them up this week, so they are off the wiki. I know you got stuck trying to verify them. Are you able to simply convert them as-is.. the remaining ones I mean
[17:00] <balloons> that's the status I was asking about.. how it was going getting the last couple up
[17:00] <njin> yes, I convert them, the already done are here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases
[17:01] <balloons> yes, so cdo we have something to put up for maas, iscsi, no network and rescue?
[17:03] <silverarrow> hi
[17:08] <njin> balloons, just revisioned, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~maas-maintainers/maas/trunk/view/head:/INSTALL.txt let me test it in the meantime I convert something other
[17:09] <balloons> njin :-)
[17:09] <balloons> thank you!
[17:39] <silverarrow> I shall have to do some ppc testing or there might not be any ppc
[17:39] <silverarrow> improvement * ;-)
[17:55] <wxl> balloons: pong
[17:58] <balloons> wxl, see the conversation about update-manager above.. I updated the bug as well
[17:59] <wxl> btw just noticed that the lxterminal.desktop fails to function on lubuntu quantal. rather than using Exec=lxterminal it uses Exec="lxterminal --loginshell" both of which are inconsistent with the more sensible practice of doing "x-terminal-emulation" which Ctl-Alt-T is mapped to by default.
[17:59] <wxl> balloons: i saw the email about that and will check on it in a bit
[18:00] <balloons> wxl, excellent
[18:00] <wxl> honestly i believe i've already checked that, balloons, but i'll try again
[18:00] <balloons> if so, there's more debug info from mvo
[18:00] <balloons> hence why I wanted you to check, and we'll go from there
[18:00] <balloons> changing it made it work for me
[18:01] <wxl> in the backlog here?
[18:01] <balloons> yea, it's in the backlog here
[18:01] <wxl> cuz i thought display immediately was default behavior
[18:01] <balloons> it's not
[18:01] <wxl> could you put that as a comment in the bug so that karl can respond to it too?
[18:01] <wxl> …unless he's awake.
[18:01] <wxl> kanliot: ping
[18:06] <wxl> man this sucks. quantal is so pretty now i don't like looking at my precise box anymore XD
[18:06] <silverarrow> is ubuntu quantal running fine now?
[18:06] <wxl> on ppc i dunno silverarrow
[18:07] <wxl> i'm in the process of trying to shrink the iso
[18:07] <wxl> then maybe i can see if i can get it to install
[18:07] <wxl> but it seems that others have been having some problems
[18:07] <silverarrow> I am down loading latest iso of ubuntu to try on ppc
[18:07] <wxl> it also seems the ubiquity/linux (graphics) bugs are still outstanding
[18:07] <xnox> wxl: hmm?!
[18:07] <silverarrow> you can`t get it on DVD either?
[18:07] <wxl> xnox: which one?
[18:08] <wxl> oh it will work on dvd
[18:08] <wxl> i just have no dvd-rws
[18:08] <xnox> wxl: I have high-light for ubiquity and this looks interesting. Reading scrollback
[18:08] <wxl> also seems silly to put a supposed "cd" on a dvd :)
[18:08] <silverarrow> I have 1.5 GB ram on my iBook , it should handle gui install on ubuntu and lubuntu
[18:08] <wxl> xnox: it's not in the scrollback but was on the fridge for the meeting though it wasn't discussed in detail. one sec
[18:09] <xnox> wxl: ok. Please let me know which bugs are outstanding from ubiquity which you believe are important.
[18:10] <wxl> oh weird when i looked this morning the bugs were pointed out on the agenda
[18:10] <wxl> hold on
[18:13] <balloons> wxl, ohh the powerpc bugs.. we covered them in the meetin'
[18:13] <balloons> I setup for next week now :-)
[18:13] <balloons> sorry mate
[18:13] <wxl> that must have been before i showed up
[18:13] <wxl> i was a few minutes late
[18:13] <wxl> here's one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1040544
[18:14] <xnox> wxl: ah, powerpc =) not strictly ubiquity bug but the general "cannot boot installer image" so it can be anything
[18:15] <wxl> i *DID* say powerpc up there xnox :)
[18:15] <wxl> well here's a more informative dupe of that bug btw ttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1046619
[18:15] <balloons> wxl, this the list from this morning
[18:15] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1040544
[18:15] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1040526
[18:15] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1044180
[18:16] <wxl> yep those are the three i know of balloons
[18:16] <wxl> not like i've been able to confirm them but … XD
[18:16] <wxl> um, i can't report a bug on lxterminal?
[18:19] <xnox> wxl: how can I progmatically check that I am running on that graphics card, such that I could tweak the X.org session.
[18:19] <xnox> well xorg.conf?
[18:26] <wxl> xnox: i don't know if i grok your quesiton. you're asking about the bug on linux?
[18:33] <njin> balloons: this is a part of iscsi, http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServeriSCSIRoot/KVMExample , but is full of images and I dunno how todo in drupal
[18:33] <balloons> njin, ahh I see
[18:34] <balloons> well, we can link directly to the images on the wiki
[18:34] <njin> format ?
[18:34] <balloons> there's alot of images
[18:34] <balloons> <img src="">
[18:34] <balloons> it should take standard html
[18:34] <balloons> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServeriSCSIRoot/KVMExample?action=AttachFile
[18:34] <balloons> look on that page for the url's to use :)
[18:35] <njin> between the quotes is the link ?
[18:35] <balloons> yes
[18:35] <njin> ok
[18:35] <balloons> let's try quickly on the sandbox
[18:47] <njin> balloons, there's a problem here, I can fork the two testcases (virtual and real, but for the real I've just to copy without verification, ''Take into account that this type of installation requires a server with iSCSI target (or a SAN)''
[18:47] <njin> and I don't have it
[18:48] <balloons> yes.. that's fine njin
[18:48] <njin> ok
[18:48] <balloons> you've done a lot of work verifying, which is great
[18:48] <njin> thanks
[18:48] <balloons> but we'll need help on some of these :-) and once it's in the tracker they can do so
[18:54] <balloons> hmm img src didn't work in my test
[19:23] <njin> balloons, where are the preview ?
[19:24] <balloons> preview for?
[19:24] <njin> I want to see the server default preview
[19:24] <njin> server install default sandbox
[19:25] <njin> I've inserted the link to the image in the wiki and want to see if it works
[19:26] <njin> http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases/1311/edit
[19:26] <knome> njin, you're lacking a >
[19:27] <knome> (at least)
[19:27] <knome> or actually, />
[19:27] <knome> eg. <img src="URL" />
[19:27] <balloons> njin, I couldn't get the img src to work sadly
[19:28] <knome> balloons, did you have valid markup?
[19:28] <balloons> I believe so.. I know I had it working at one point
[19:28] <balloons> or I'm crazy
[19:28] <knome> it might simply be that img tags aren't allowed
[19:28] <balloons> http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases/1306/edit
[19:28] <knome> ohno
[19:29] <knome> where is that testcase
[19:29] <balloons> http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/225/builds/16296/testcases/1306/results
[19:30] <knome> i believe img tags are simply forbidden
[19:30] <balloons> stgraber, is there a way to put images inside the testcases?
[19:30] <balloons> tried <image>, <img>, <img src="">
[19:30] <njin> how can I see the result of this ? http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases/1311/edit
[19:32] <knome> njin, doesn't look like that is attached to any testsuite
[19:32] <stgraber> balloons: I guess the <img> tag isn't allowed. We can change that if there's a need for it
[19:33] <knome> balloons, oh oh! me likes http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/225/builds/16296/testcases
[19:33] <knome> balloons, can you link the post-install and desktop tests for xubuntu like that?
[19:37] <knome> stgraber, allowing some <h*>'s would work for me.
[19:37] <knome> stgraber, maybe with some predefined styles to not interfere too much with the overall looks
[19:37] <knome> stgraber, but that's wishlist, i'm fine even if i had to wait until R :)
[19:39] <balloons> knome, what do you mean?
[19:40] <balloons> stgraber, yes it would be helpful to have allow images.. although I'd prefer to not have them in the cases
[19:40] <knome> balloons, in the first link, there's "Ubuntu Desktop" and "Ubuntu Desktop Extras"
[19:40] <balloons> yes, those are 2 different testcases
[19:40] <knome> balloons, in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/23727/testcases, there is only "Xubuntu Desktop", and i think we would benefit if the desktop tests were separated
[19:40] <balloons> I put them together that way as the ubuntu desktop core is reused, but the extras are not always
[19:41] <balloons> make a seperate testsuite and we'll assign it
[19:41] <balloons> it will partition the same way
[19:41] <knome> that looks very good though, even if we always have both
[19:41] <knome> ok, just a sec :)
[19:41] <stgraber> balloons: <img> is now allowed on staging, let me know if it works fine and you want it enabled in production
[19:41] <phillw> knome: when you have 5 minutes to spare, could you give me a ping. Thanks
[19:42] <njin> how can I see this http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases/1445
[19:42] <njin> the result of
[19:42] <balloons> stgraber, hmm.. doesn't seem to work
[19:43] <knome> phillw, ping. :)
[19:43] <stgraber> balloons: ah? where did you try it?
[19:43] <balloons> this http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/225/builds/16296/testcases/1306/results should have an image
[19:44] <balloons> whhops
[19:44] <balloons> bad link
[19:44] <balloons> k -- lol..
[19:44] <balloons> works fine now
[19:45] <stgraber> balloons: ok. Also please make sure to write valid html ;) <img> is a tag you're supposed to close and requires alt= like <img src="URL" alt="description" />
[19:46] <balloons> stgraber, yes, will do
[19:46] <njin> balloons, then the format ?
[19:46] <balloons> <img src="URL" alt="description" />
[19:47] <balloons> stgraber, and yes, can we have it on prod
[19:47] <balloons> when you release
[19:47] <stgraber> balloons: it's not linked to a release, it's just a Drupal setting, so I can do it now
[19:48] <stgraber> balloons: done
[19:48] <balloons> ohh.. well then
[19:48] <balloons> njin, we have images :-)
[19:48] <balloons> ty stgraber
[19:49] <knome> balloons, "Xubuntu Desktop" is the new testsuite
[19:49] <knome> balloons, renamed the old one to "Xubuntu Installtion"
[19:50] <balloons> knome, added
[19:50] <knome> \o/
[19:50] <knome> hmph. :)
[19:50] <balloons> slick eh/
[19:50] <balloons> ?
[19:50] <knome> they are sorted alphabetically?
[19:53] <balloons> you can enforce a sort order
[19:53] <knome> balloons, can you drop the desktop stuff below? thanks
[19:53] <balloons> change the "weight"
[19:53] <knome> oh
[19:53] <njin> oh, but how can I see if the link is right ?http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases/1445/edit
[19:54] <knome> balloons, hmm, i mean testSUITES
[19:54] <wxl> we got a winner balloons
[19:54] <balloons> knome.. ahh.. no ordering for those
[19:54] <balloons> but I believe it's sorted by id
[19:54] <knome> balloons, ok
[19:54] <knome> fixed then :)
[19:54] <balloons> you could flip the names and testcases within them :-)
[19:54] <knome> heh. i simply renamed the other
[19:55] <balloons> njin, the link looks good
[19:55] <balloons> just finish it out and we'll see what happens on first display
[19:55] <njin> balloons, you can see the image ?
[19:55] <balloons> if you wish I can put up a test on the sandbox
[19:55] <balloons> one sec
[19:55] <balloons> wxl, what's the winner?
[19:56] <wxl> balloons: display immediately on other updates
[19:56] <balloons> ahh..  i figured :-)
[19:56] <wxl> that's what i get for messing with a bug on a package i *NEVER* used :)
[19:56] <wxl> apt or die is my motto ;)
[19:57] <balloons> njin http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/225/builds/16299/testcases
[19:58] <balloons> the sandbox is setup if you want to check it there first
[19:58] <balloons> make the testcase and put it into 'ubuntu server' testsuite
[19:58] <balloons> it will show on that page
[19:58] <njin> trying
[20:02] <njin> balloons, ok it works for me too, thanks everybody
[20:02] <njin> sleep time see you tomorrow
[20:08] <noskcaj> balloons: what happened woth the alternatememtest and the alternaterepair testcases
[20:09] <noskcaj> since they wouldn't work
[20:09] <balloons> noskcaj, the rescue doesn't exist on the desktop cd
[20:09] <balloons> however, the memtest still does
[20:09] <noskcaj> just the wiki page is missing
[20:22] <phillw> stgraber: do you know who looks after the wiki themes (css)?
[20:22] <balloons> noskcaj, are you able to create the desktopmemtest case?
[20:22] <balloons> noskcaj, no the wiki still should be there
[20:22] <balloons> one sec
[20:22] <balloons> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/AlternateMemTest
[20:24] <stgraber> phillw: no
[20:24] <phillw> hmm.
[20:24] <phillw> okies, thanks
[20:26] <noskcaj> ok balloons
[20:26] <noskcaj> i will make a typewith.me
[20:26] <balloons> noskcaj, excellent.
[20:27] <balloons> noskcaj, also, if you can do a 'check disc for defects' case, that would be good
[20:27] <balloons> that testcase should be REALLY small :-)
[20:27] <noskcaj> http://typewith.me/p/Memtest
[20:27] <noskcaj> yep
[20:29] <kanliot> you need any specific test cases written?
[20:30] <balloons> kanliot, if your volunteering, yes
[20:30] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates
[20:31] <balloons> everything under 'Updating testcases for new ubiquity features' needs to be done
[20:32] <xnox> feel free to poke me about new ubiquity stuff
[20:32] <phillw> balloons: any other old test cases that are on wiki that need doing? I'm up for 1 major one and a couple of minor edits from it. (similar to work done with alternate last night is about it!)
[20:32] <xnox> I landed most of it
[20:46] <balloons> phillw, the biggest is still getting the new testcases for ubiquity
[20:46] <balloons> I signed up for it.. but i've been helping land the other stuff that depended on people still this week
[20:46] <balloons> and the list of missing stuff is growing
[20:46] <balloons> hehe
[20:47] <noskcaj> can someone remind me the html stuff we use
[20:48] <phillw> balloons: I don't use ubiquity, but if there is existing in 'old' format I will gladly do the donkey work of converting what I can for you guys.
[20:49] <balloons> noskcaj, what do you mean?
[20:49] <balloons> phillw, you mean, conversion for the alt cases?
[20:49] <phillw> noskcaj: as in the new format?
[20:49] <noskcaj> yes, have a look at the typewith.me and you will see
[20:50] <phillw> balloons: yeah, if there is still stuff in the old wiki format that needs transferring, I'll dig in and help out
[20:50] <phillw> noskcaj: is http://pastebin.com/hsk75Has what you're looking for?
[20:51] <noskcaj> its different to what me and knome used for the xubuntu testcases but i will use that
[20:52] <phillw> noskcaj: you will be using the new format.... hang on one moment, let me get it
[20:54] <phillw> noskcaj: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseFormat/NewDL is the new one, but it is not yet 'live'
[20:55] <phillw> balloons: I assume that the <ol>, <li> ones will just be migrated as a batch?
[20:55] <noskcaj> yeah thats it, thanks
[20:55] <balloons> yes
[20:55] <balloons> phillw, yes.. we'll migrate in batch to dt from ol
[20:56] <balloons> phillw, I'm still doing new stuff in the "old" style
[20:56] <phillw> noskcaj: I've only just learned the other one, and they go change it all again :P
[20:56] <noskcaj> that cant be fun
[20:56] <balloons> I would stick with the old for now.. the new won't work on prod properly
[20:57] <phillw> balloons: well, if there are still testcases in wiki style that need transferring to the <ol>, <li> then I will do some as they are manual conversions.
[21:00] <noskcaj> the memtest is finished http://typewith.me/p/Memtest but i used the new stuff
[21:00] <noskcaj> which has worked fine for the xubuntu tests as far as i know
[21:03] <balloons> noskcaj, it's a wash, since.. very very soon it will work properly :-)
[21:03] <balloons> noskcaj, thanks for doing the case
[21:04] <balloons> phillw, want to work with him to get it in the system?
[21:04] <balloons> I'll assign to the desktop testsuites after that
[21:05] <phillw> balloons: you want it queued up on the 'live' area?
[21:06] <balloons> yes, make it a testcase
[21:06] <balloons> check it over, etc.. ;-)
[21:06] <balloons> as far as what's left to convert from the wiki, nothing except the server testcases
[21:06] <balloons> you could help njin out there
[21:06] <balloons> they are all 'alt' installer based
[21:10] <balloons> the ones needing conversion that njin hasn't touched yet are: no network and rescue
[21:16] <AlanBell> o/ balloons
[21:17] <noskcaj> balloons: no poblem, i shall start on the check disk testcase http://typewith.me/p/diskdefects
[21:17] <balloons> noskcaj, ty
[21:17] <balloons> AlanBell, pong
[21:18] <AlanBell> do we have a test case that would have picked up bug 1053112?
[21:18] <balloons> yea.. the install (screen reader) testcase
[21:18] <balloons> it could always use a going through
[21:18] <balloons> we're reviewing the testcases right now as you can see above
[21:19] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/23713/testcases/1309/results
[21:20] <xnox> balloons: I am not sure when it regressed. I completed the install ~2 days ago with screen reader no problem (well as in it worked without crashing, not that it was 100% a11y accessible)
[21:21] <AlanBell> there are no results on that test case, does that mean it isn't being run?
[21:23] <balloons> AlanBell, not today
[21:23] <balloons> they are manual tests, so :-)
[21:23] <balloons> the next milestone is next week, we'll be running it then
[21:23] <balloons> and inbetween milestones, we run it randomly
[21:23] <balloons> as xnox mentioned
[21:23] <AlanBell> ah, right
[21:23] <jibel> xnox, TheMuso published a new version of at-spi stack and orca yesterday (Sept. 18th)
[21:24] <AlanBell> I was only expecting it weekly or thereabouts which is fine
[21:25] <xnox> AlanBell: click on show superseeded build to see when it was last reported against a daily, otherwise it will probably be beta1
[21:25] <jibel> it'd be worth downgrading to 2.5.90-0ubuntu1 to check it caused the regression.
[21:25] <xnox> AlanBell: default view is "tailored" for milestone testing, hence it's showing the current build which is today's daily.
[21:26] <xnox> jibel: ok. but not tonight off to sleep now ;-)
[21:26] <AlanBell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds/22615/testcases/1309/results found a result there
[21:26] <AlanBell> from May
[21:26] <jibel> xnox, same here :)
[21:27] <AlanBell> ah no, silly Americans :) 05/09/2012 is the intended date
[21:29] <balloons> that's from this month
[21:29] <balloons> 2012-09-05
[21:30] <AlanBell> yay, a format we can agree on :)
[21:38] <phillw> I always use 5th sept 2012 in such instances, as it still confuses me :P
[21:39] <phillw> ooh, 9th May 2012 :)
[21:42] <hggdh> year-month-day is better: no confusion, and sorts nicely
[21:43] <xnox> AlanBell: closed as won't-fix bug against ubuntu-qa website because it's a bug in drupal stack....
[21:44] <phillw> typical coder response! :P
[21:46] <phillw> day-month-year sorts nicely with regex :P
[21:51] <noskcaj> ubuntu failed to fully shutdown after the install is this a Grub or ubuquity bug
[21:55] <balloons> it's a known issue if your in a vm
[21:56] <knome> s/your/you're/
[21:56] <knome> balloons, if you want to fix that, maybe start with pronouncing out boldy "you are", then when you've learned that, start using the "shorter" version
[21:57] <knome> balloons, ^ just saying because i once had the same...
[21:58] <noskcaj> ok, i was useing virtualbox so what do i do
[21:58] <balloons> knome, bah!
[21:58] <knome> balloons, ;]
[21:58] <balloons> good catch
[21:58] <balloons> i don't even see them anymore
[21:59] <knome> d'oh, it's that bad?:P
[22:00] <phillw> knome: btw, after a bit of chasing around, I was told how to raise a support ticket for the theme bug, instead of a bug.
[22:12] <knome> phillw, right, i could've told you how to file one of those, if i knew you only needed that.
[22:17] <phillw> knome: I was hoping someone would remember the 'person', but it was well over a year ago & they could well have moved on.
[22:18] <knome> probably
[22:18] <knome> they've changed the internal structure of the team much too, so it might be that wouldn't be effective anymore anyway
[22:19] <knome> they've also much better than a few years ago, hoorah for that
[22:20] <phillw> well, we'll see how quickly the theme gets fixed :D
[22:20] <knome> what's the RT number?
[22:20] <phillw> I gave your name ans this channel for if they have queries.
[22:21] <phillw> knome: #20471
[22:21] <knome> phillw, thanks :)
[22:22] <phillw> I've cc'd the doc team, so they are aware of it. Last time it was raised it was "do you remember the bug number?"
[22:22] <knome> lol, it's always the same