[00:12] <directhex> a sample composite reactor i forgot i uploaded (think it was for a steam badge or something) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuMu4Mp9EFc&feature=g-upl
[00:13] <directhex> turn a mix of carbon dioxide and hydrogen sulfide into carbon and sulphuric acid
[05:56] <christel> MORNING
[05:57] <Azelphur> morning
[06:00] <christel> :D
[06:00] <christel> how art thou?
[06:03] <Azelphur> art thou goodeth, how is thee?
[06:03] <christel> :D very very well!
[06:03] <christel> still not quite sure why i got up so early
[06:04] <Azelphur> don't worry, at least you havn't gone full crazy nocturnal like me
[06:04] <christel> haha bless
[06:04] <Azelphur> I went to sleep at 2pm yesterday and woke up at 11pm lol
[06:05] <christel> "oops" :P
[06:05] <Azelphur> indeed xD
[06:07] <Azelphur> I found the 50-99% off electronics section at Amazon though
[06:07] <Azelphur> kid in a candy store \o/
[06:11] <christel> ooooh nicely played :D
[06:11] <Azelphur> indeed \o/
[06:36] <mattt> morning morning morning morning
[06:46] <MartijnVdS> http://www.talklikeapirate.com/
[06:52] <pinky-> friggin' in the riggin'
[06:53] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-9my0tsutw !
[06:55] <pinky-> Monkey Island heh.. If I said I've played them all will it show my age?
[07:00] <pinky-> they're not pirates, they're just slackers!
[07:03] <MartijnVdS> pinky-: ♫ A pirate I was meant to be ;)
[07:08] <pinky-> MartijnVdS ♫ Trim the sails and roam the sea!
[07:11] <pinky-> Less singing, more sailing.
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> "We'll fight you in the harbour, we'll battle you on land. But when you meet singing pirates, they'll be more than you can stand!"
[07:16] <pinky-> When we defeat our wicked foe, his ship he will be bailing!
[07:18] <pinky-> The battle will be long, but our courage we will prove! No time for song! We've got to move!
[07:37] <pinky-> MartijnVdS, I was hoping next for the kraken verse:)
[07:39] <pinky-> ♫ If ye try ta fight us... you will get a nasty whackin´! If ya disrespect our singing´... we will feed ya to a kraken!
[07:44] <aliveli> i need help
[07:45] <Azelphur> ?ask | ali
[07:45] <Azelphur> !ask | aliveli
[07:45] <aliveli> forgot password ubuntu
[07:45] <Azelphur> !password | aliveli
[07:46] <aliveli> grub not loading
[07:46] <aliveli> shift key not working
[07:46] <Azelphur> are you using left shift or right shift
[07:47] <Azelphur> I think it only does it if you hold left shift, not right
[07:47] <aliveli> "hold" i didnt try it
[07:47] <Azelphur> yea, hold
[07:47] <aliveli> ok thank
[08:02] <andylockran> hey guys - just jumped back on my precise bx (first time for a while) and in unity the sidebar and window borders are missing
[08:02] <andylockran> any idea how to reset them/what could have caused that?
[08:05] <AlanBell> morning
[08:05]  * AlanBell reboots and finds an old style vertical battery indicator
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I rebooted and got ugly fonts
[08:12] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:20] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:25] <bittin^work> eyo booked some tickets to UK for 2-5th December, but i started wondering a thing would a EU ID Card be okay as a passport or do i need a real one norweigian made me confused :(
[08:26] <tsimpson> I think you should be fine for EU <-> EU travel with any state-issued photographic ID
[08:27] <bittin^work> tsimpson, thats what i thinked aswell
[08:31] <christel> bittin^work: no, you need a passport as the UK is not part of the "schengen(sp?) agreement"
[08:31] <bittin^work> christel, hm okay
[08:31]  * Laney wonders just how bug today's xkcd is
[08:32] <bigcalm> How bug it is?
[08:33] <Laney> yes, I typoed, well done
[08:33] <christel> basically the "free travel area" is all the EU states apart from the UK and ireland + iceland, lichtenstein, switzerland and norway
[08:33] <bittin^work> ah well think there is plenty of time to get a new passport before December
[08:33] <bigcalm> Laney: you might not have, it's early and I'm easily confused
[08:33] <christel> bittin^work: where are you from? :)
[08:34] <bittin^work> christel, Sweden
[08:34] <christel> oh yes, i remember that now
[08:34] <xnox> christel: i thought norway was part of it.....
[08:34] <christel> yeah i suspect you've got plenty of time, at least its pretty quick back home (norway)
[08:35] <christel> xnox: yes it is -- i meant all the EU states (apart from uk + ireland) PLUS those four countries
[08:35] <christel> i probably worded it rather awkwardly
[08:35] <xnox> ah I see.
[08:35] <christel> (insufficient caffeine intake)
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> christel: substitute with sugar!
[08:36] <christel> hehe
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> christel: how was the candy? :)
[08:36] <christel> i havent tried it yet! I am saving it so i can taste it with the alans!
[08:36] <bittin^work> will get a passport for living on the streets of UK for 4days o:
[08:37] <christel> bittin^work: that sounds rather cold!
[08:38] <bittin^work> needs to fix some stuff before going there 2013
[08:39] <czajkowski> Laney: coming to ireland to meet mr.xkcd :D
[08:39] <Laney> heh
[08:39] <czajkowski> sinc ewhen is unity --reset no longer used
[08:39] <Laney> that's quite a trip
[08:39] <czajkowski> Laney: it;s a very short flight
[08:39] <christel> bittin^work: coming over here to live or to holiday (in 2013 i mean)
[08:39] <czajkowski> he'll be in Limerick the weekend of the 6/7 oct
[08:40] <bittin^work> christel, holiday my friend is moving there in 2013 but i booked to early tickets :(
[08:40] <bittin^work> so now i got 4 days of randomness in UK and nowhere to stay aswell :<
[08:40] <xnox> Laney: There are instructions on how to load all of the today's xkcd http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=1110
[08:40] <christel> oops!
[08:40] <bittin^work> but well guess i can sort that out :p
[08:41] <christel> i live in the middle of the countryside, but you're welcome to the spare room for a few days
[08:41] <bittin^work> still 3months left to December
[08:42] <Laney> xnox: yeah
[08:42] <Laney> I thought about writing a script to scrape it all
[08:42] <Laney> didn't get as far as going into the source though
[08:44] <christel> true! it is a while to go :)
[08:44] <bigcalm> Watching the page load in firebug shows how the images are gathered. Tis big with lots of 404s
[08:53] <MartijnVdS> the xkcd is HUGE
[08:57] <Laney> I went up and down the big black mountain thing, then left for a while
[08:57] <Laney> and then when it started going down I decided to do something useful ;-)
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> there's a whole underground world... and a Saturn V somewhere :)
[09:01] <popey> http://i.imgur.com/GDJPL.png xkcd spoiler :)
[09:01] <popey> (for those of us with better things to do) :D
[09:01] <bigcalm> Hehe
[09:02] <bigcalm> At least I took the time to look at the source and pick at the JS. There's no escaping my job
[09:02] <bittin^work> popey, :D
[09:04] <AlanBell> thanks popey for giving me my morning back
[09:05] <popey> amazon sell replacement mice btw
[09:05]  * Laney is considering getting a trackball
[09:05] <Laney> anyone use one?
[09:06] <popey> i thought bigcalm did
[09:06] <bigcalm> Not me
[09:07] <bigcalm> I did when I had an Archimedes back in the early 90s though
[09:16] <SuperMatt> am I supposed to not have any luck with webapps in quantal right now?
[09:18] <AlanBell> Laney: I used one for a while, quite liked it, meant I didn't have to tidy my desk enough for a mouse patch :)
[09:19] <Laney> AlanBell: "a while" implies you stopped?
[09:19] <AlanBell> yeah, but not for any good reason really
[09:23] <directhex> Laney, i have a cow orker with one
[09:23] <directhex> crap for FPSes ;)
[09:23] <AlanBell> davmor2: is software centre your thing?
[09:24] <Laney> well I'd keep a normal mouse for gaming
[09:24] <Laney> not that I can do any of that before I get my upgrade anyway though
[09:25] <directhex> mice for gaming? pfft. real men use BRAIN-SCANNING HEADSETS
[09:26] <directhex> http://www.ocztechnology.com/nia-game-controller.html
[09:26] <bigcalm> Goodness
[09:35] <daubers> directhex: Now the advertisers KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS!!!!
[09:35] <daubers> Now they KNOW they need to sell you those meds!!!
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> and those.. enlargements..
[09:51] <directhex> yes, i could certainly do with enlarging my photos
[09:52] <christel> oh my!
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> I got to shoot with a 70-200 2.8L last weekend
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> (<local press photog> "Hey, want to try this one?" <me> "Sure..")
[09:53] <directhex> and you swung it around and said "hey, is that kate middleton? watch *this*"
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> directhex: .. no
[09:54] <bigcalm> Aww
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> directhex: I was here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/sets/72157631547106604/
[09:54] <directhex> then you phoned up the french tabloids and said "hey, guess what?"
[09:54] <popey> HELLO SAILOR! http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/7991194306/in/set-72157631547106604/
[09:55] <bigcalm> LOL
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> popey: actually, that band had an "italian" theme :)
[09:55] <directhex> they look fabulous
[09:55] <popey> http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/7991177696/in/set-72157631547106604/ dude on the right looks like he's kinda scared of what will happen when he crashes his cymbals
[09:56] <directhex> especially with those red sashes
[09:56] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: what ISO were you using for this?
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: 1600ish
[09:56] <directhex> 115200
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> directhex: 28k8
[09:56] <bigcalm> Impressive quality for a high ISO
[09:56] <popey> RANDOMIZE USR 1331
[09:56] <popey> s/Z/S
[09:57] <popey> +/
[09:58] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: what's the F range of the lens?
[09:58] <davmor2> AlanBell: no I just break software-center
[10:00] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:00] <bigcalm> davmor2: joining us tonight?
[10:04] <AlanBell> davmor2: where should people be sent who have a query about paid for apps?
[10:04] <AlanBell> specifically people who turn up in #ubuntu who have paid for something and want to re-download it or paid for it and didn't get it etc.
[10:05] <davmor2> AlanBell: on the email there is a link that leads to FAQs and an rt system, on the whole you can just reinstall it though
[10:06] <AlanBell> on what email?
[10:06] <directhex> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pay
[10:07] <AlanBell> thanks directhex
[10:09] <davmor2> AlanBell: the email receipt for the purchase
[10:09] <davmor2> directhex: thanks for that
[10:10] <directhex> mighty hex to the rescue
[10:20] <daubers> As much as I hate Gtk, I actually quite like working in Gtk
[10:23] <directhex> i like gtk. but my secret shame is i like <TABLE> :p
[10:23] <directhex> and i lurve monodevelop's gui designer. changed my life, it did!
[10:24] <daubers> I haven't used monodevelop for a few years, I assume it's improved somewhat muchly?
[10:25] <popey> reminds me badgerports was giving me 403 the other day
[10:26] <directhex> i just like the integration between gui design and code design. especially the circular nature - i.e. drawing my own widgets with code, then immediately being able to drag and drop those custom widgets into other widgets or windows (or other projects entirely)
[10:26] <directhex> popey, oh?
[10:26] <Laney> tea with rice milk is a curious thing
[10:26] <directhex> popey, maybe webhost downtime. it's real bargain basement hosting
[10:26] <popey> i may have disabled it now
[10:26] <popey> no, okay now
[10:27] <daubers> When I have a spare weekend I'll have to sit down with c# again. Not touched it for _ages_
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: The lens I borrowed was the 70-200mm f/2.8 (L)
[10:32] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: and it does f/2.8 at 200mm?
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I don't think it does
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> oh wait
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> apparently it DOES
[10:34] <bigcalm> I would be surprised. I am surprised :)
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it's an L lens.. :)
[10:35] <bigcalm> L stands for Ludicrously expensive
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> it does :)
[11:20] <davmor2> directhex: you named your first born sudo drop tables didn't you :D
[11:22] <shauno> I'm always surprised how much gried I get for having an apostrophe in my surname.  even working for an irish company, that's very poorly supported
[11:23] <shauno> er, *grief
[11:25] <davmor2> shauno: no it's the global system of hate for people with names out of the norm ;)  Not to make you feel paranoid or anything :D
[11:26] <shauno> my biggest trick is that MIS assigned me an email address which also features same apostrophe. which is completely within the rfc
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-personal-names :)
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: My passport name != what people call me, and my family name consists of 3 words.. support for this outside .nl is not very common
[11:52] <xnox> MartijnVdS: I am considering to make my middle name IRC nickname and be done with it.
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> I just go for the "one field" solution that page suggests
[12:33] <Seeker`> arrrrrrrr?
[12:34] <AlanBell> happy talk like a pirate day to you too
[12:39] <christel> why do pirates take ages to learn the alphabet?
[13:01] <bigcalm> christel: I don't know, why do pirates take ages to learn the alphabet?
[13:07] <pinky-> they can't get passed the c?
[13:25] <christel> pinky-: close! they spend years at C! <3
[13:32] <davmor2> christel: and can only say R
[13:34] <popey> directhex, torchlight is in USC now
[13:34] <popey> well, its listed
[13:34] <Dave2> its listed what?
[13:35] <davmor2> popey: it's in
[13:35] <popey> yeah, installing
[13:35] <davmor2> popey, ali1234: we should of lost the amd64 issue too
[13:35]  * popey farts an apostrophe at Dave2 
[13:36]  * Dave2 hands it back to popey.
[13:36] <davmor2> popey: don't play it, it lures you in and then the hours disappear
[13:38] <popey> heh
[13:38] <Dave2> Shatter didn't show up when I tried it last night
[13:43] <popey> wfm
[13:46] <ali1234> Dave2: yeah that was the amd64 issue
[13:47] <ali1234> seems to work now
[13:47] <davmor2> ali1234: Yeap SPAZ still needs the fix and then I think they are all done
[13:48] <davmor2> ali1234: it was the multiarch causing the headache
[13:48] <ali1234> yes, i know
[13:48] <ali1234> i want to know when you're going to fix it in USC
[13:49] <davmor2> ali1234: it's not a USC issue as such
[13:49] <ali1234> it shouldn't be necessary to add duplicate packages to make multiarch work; the whole point of it is to remove duplicate packages
[13:49] <ali1234> and synaptic does not have this problem, nor any other package manager
[13:49] <ali1234> therefore, it is a USC issue
[13:54] <czajkowski> ali1234: I'm going to go with davmor2 probably knows more about the USC than most people in here
[13:54] <ali1234> so what?
[13:54] <ali1234> this is clearly an open and shut case
[13:55] <ali1234> further more, i have presented a clear and logical argument which supports my position
[13:55] <ali1234> and all davmor2 has given is a vague "it's not our problem"
[13:57] <davmor2> ali1234: I didn't say it wasn't our problem, I said it was USC at fault, the issue is deeper than that and there are about 6 issues in total so it will take a while :P
[13:57] <czajkowski> *sigh*
[13:59] <czajkowski> ali1234: perhaps talking to others in the team in USC channel might be more appropiate than giving out to davmor2 who is only giving you the information
[13:59] <czajkowski>   #software-center
[14:17] <BigRedS> Hm. Apparently I'm going to a gllug drink up tomorrow. Is anyone else?
[14:17] <czajkowski> narp
[14:17] <czajkowski> was tempted
[14:18] <czajkowski> but I think if I get a whiff off a drink I'll fall over in a heap
[14:18] <BigRedS> ah, not ideal
[14:24] <ali1234> torchlight detects my screen resolution as 2x-158095012
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it's not?!?!
[14:25] <ali1234> on second run it runs in window mode
[14:25] <ali1234> i can select the correct resolution from the settings
[14:25] <ali1234> hit apply... now the game resized but the window didn't, and i can access the menu buttons any more as they are outside the visible area
[14:29] <BigRedS> Anyone got any recomendations of server builders? Like DNUK, Broadberry etc.?
[14:43] <mgdm> I've used DNUK in the past, they were good
[14:44] <popey> BigRedS, I used TMC for the lug.org.uk one
[14:46] <popey> ali1234, dustforce doesn't like my dual-screen with different resolutions either
[15:01] <BigRedS> popey: ta!
[15:01] <BigRedS> mgdm: yeah, we're gathering prices, already got DNUK's
[15:01] <BigRedS> popey: do you have a website URL for them?
[15:02] <BigRedS> oh, tmc-uk.com looks right
[15:02] <popey> thats them
[15:10] <popey> ali1234, torchlight set my resolution to 720x400
[15:11] <popey> second time okay
[15:12] <popey> but i set it to full screen 1080p and it goes big, windowed, doesn't look like it can do full screen
[15:14] <davmor2> popey: it should but apparently fails to,  so the devs are being informed :(
[15:15] <davmor2> popey: what makes it more amusing is the fullscreen button doesn't seem to do anything :D
[15:22] <popey> yeah
[15:22] <popey> QA - We've heard of it!
[15:23]  * popey redeems steam keys
[15:34] <popey> I see a Laney !
[15:35] <Laney> why does my webcam hardly ever refresh?
[15:35] <popey> dunno, but its funny
[15:42] <czajkowski> anyone looking for a SA role, we have 2 going, one based in London, and one based remotely if interested dm me
[15:44] <directhex> popey, hurrah, 2/3 there with USC publications
[15:50] <bigcalm> Is it time for steak yet?
[15:51] <czajkowski> oh made a yummy sauce last night, butter, flour, large heaped spoon of caramelised onions, drop of cream and a large drop of brandy
[15:51] <directhex> dear USC, is it really that hard to cache credentials?
[15:51] <czajkowski> over some potatoes :) bit lush for tatties but was all I could eat
[15:54] <AlanBell> is there any way in top to show the full command line of a process?
[15:54] <AlanBell> I have "python" chewing up 98% CPU but I don't know what it is exactly
[15:55] <christel> -c or did i dream that?
[15:55] <AlanBell> \o/
[15:55] <AlanBell> ok, next question, why is juju doing stuff!
[15:56] <christel> because it wants to? :o
[15:56] <christel> how helpful am i? :P
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCQ7VLoY7bQ
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[16:05] <bigcalm> Anybody else having spotify connection trouble right now?
[16:09] <pinky-> MartijnVdS, good track selection!
[16:11] <bigcalm> That was a fun track
[16:12] <bigcalm> My goodness, I appear to be in agreement with Pete Cannon
[16:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: don't ever let him here you say that ;)
[16:17] <bigcalm> davmor2: I did check the channel list before saying it :P
[16:18] <davmor2> directhex: Yes
[16:19] <davmor2> directhex: it is however being worked on in Quantal possibly completed in 13.04
[16:51] <bigcalm> 9mins to 6pm then 4 days off!
[16:51]  * bigcalm wibbles with excitement
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: eww
[16:56] <mattt> bigcalm: woot!
[16:58] <bigcalm> I'm glad somebody appreciates my wibbling
[16:58] <mattt> bigcalm: i'm here for you
[16:59] <bigcalm> o/
[17:49] <christel> i want four days off!
[17:55] <brobostigon> woop
[17:55]  * brobostigon gets christel a pint of haymaker.
[17:56] <christel> \o/
[17:56] <brobostigon> \o/
[17:57] <popey> directhex, rochard is in
[17:58] <directhex> popey, hax!
[17:58]  * popey install0rz
[18:01] <directhex> t'is huge
[18:01] <directhex> I BLAME MONO
[18:11] <davmor2> directhex: Don't you blame MONO, that's what we all do :)
[18:12]  * bigcalm heads off to the LUG
[18:12] <directhex> it'd only be 1.4 meg if they'd used Qt
[18:12] <directhex> it must be true, i read it on phoronix
[18:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm not making it
[18:12] <bigcalm> davmor2: boo
[18:13] <bigcalm> Try not to have too stressful an evening then
[18:13] <bigcalm> *zoink*
[18:24] <directhex> rochard. slow on intel, but so is drawing an opengl cube
[18:47] <popey> ok, thats a fun game
[18:47] <popey> i played for a bit seemed to work fine on my i7 laptop
[18:47] <popey> bit sluggish in places, but playable
[18:48] <Monotoko> hmmm, can my ISP see what I download via WinSCP?
[18:48] <Monotoko> (if I use SSH)
[18:51] <davmor2> popey: have you tried torchlight yet?
[18:52] <popey> Monotoko, no
[18:52] <popey> davmor2, not yet
[18:55] <Monotoko> popey, good... I'm a university student and I don't particularly want them snooping through my private directories I need to download :P
[18:56] <AlanBell> Monotoko: ssh protects the data in transit from snooping on as it passes, it does nothing to protect it at each end
[18:57] <czajkowski> popey: an you see a bumble bee icon for your power icon ?
[18:57] <popey> czajkowski, power icon is busted again, it'll be fixed
[18:57] <davmor2> czajkowski: yeap new theme
[18:58] <Monotoko> AlanBell, that's all I need... it's nothing super top secret, just have a few songs in there and don't want to be questioned as to where I got them (because I can't remember myself these days... a lot of them came from CD)
[18:58] <davmor2> popey: everytime there is a theme update it breaks I'm sure of it :D
[18:58] <popey> Monotoko, ecryptfs is good for that :)
[18:58]  * popey gets back to testing new unity
[18:58] <popey> the other unity
[18:59] <Monotoko> the game engine?
[18:59]  * AlanBell zsyncs the desktop iso for another test in virtualbox
[18:59] <AlanBell> suspect sound is still broken :(
[19:00] <popey> no, the desktop
[19:00] <popey> new one is coming out tomorrow
[19:00] <czajkowski> sund is fine
[19:00] <czajkowski> *sound
[19:01] <AlanBell> czajkowski: in virtualbox? without changing the output device?
[19:03] <czajkowski> nope in a desktop
[19:03] <czajkowski> not changed any settings did updates there worked fine
[19:03] <AlanBell> sure, that is fine
[19:03] <AlanBell> but if you want to test it in virtualbox it boots silent, no drums
[19:03] <czajkowski> oh right
[19:04] <AlanBell> which means blind users have have to start by messing with the pulse audio settings with sighted assistance
[19:04] <AlanBell> and in fact all users need to go messing in obscure settings, not really an a11y bug as such
[19:05] <AlanBell> anyhow, my download is done, lets see what happens . . .
[19:05] <popey> AlanBell, bug number?
[19:05] <AlanBell> no drums :(
[19:05] <AlanBell> bug 1016969
[19:06] <AlanBell> hmm, can't seem to get to the indicators with the keyboard either
[19:06] <popey> interesting
[19:06] <popey> the LFE audio devices..
[19:07] <popey> do you have those on your host? is the virtualbox driver passing audio devices through now?
[19:07] <AlanBell> bother. No keyboard accessible indicator means it is game over without assistance
[19:08] <xnox> AlanBell: F10 + Left-arrow doesn't work?
[19:08] <popey> ALT+F10 on an empty desktop gets me the first indicator
[19:09] <AlanBell> xnox: not for me in virtualbox at the ubiquity screen
[19:09] <popey> ah
[19:09] <AlanBell> popey: me too, on an actual desktop
[19:09] <AlanBell> I don't have the LFE devices on my quantal host
[19:09] <AlanBell> or a connector dropdown
[19:16] <xnox> popey: ubiquity-dm != compiz
[19:19] <AlanBell> I should do an updated screenshot as the pulse setup has changed
[19:19] <AlanBell> equally nonfunctional, but has changed now
[19:25] <AlanBell> xnox: so, what package do I file a bug against for the non-keyboard accessible indicators?
[19:30] <xnox> AlanBell: if you never clicked "Try Ubuntu" or booted via "F6 + Install Ubuntu" it's ubiquity package
[19:31] <xnox> AlanBell: please also add "ubiquity-dm" tag
[19:31] <xnox> AlanBell: as ubiquity fakes it's own desktop session, it's not gnome-panel and it's not compiz/unity
[19:31] <AlanBell> ok, will do
[19:31] <xnox> AlanBell: it's actually A full screen wallpaper picture with a GtkMenu bar on the top =)
[19:32] <AlanBell> I am about to go through the install on real hardware (and the monitor switched off)
[19:32] <AlanBell> heh
[19:34] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: bet you're not brave enough to tty the install with the computer switched off!  ;D
[19:34] <SuperEngineer> *try
[19:35] <AlanBell> :) /me waits for the drums
[19:36] <Monotoko> AlanBell, which buntu is this?
[19:36] <Monotoko> I installed a copy of 12.04.1 on my laptop the other day and it was muted until I unmuted it
[19:36] <AlanBell> regular gnome desktop live CD, I don't test the others
[19:37] <AlanBell> yeah, that is a problem a lot of people have seen
[19:37] <Monotoko> ahhh okay
[19:37] <AlanBell> not always that easy to reproduce, some hardware boots muted some doesn't
[19:38] <Monotoko> any bug I can add my hardware to?
[19:38] <Monotoko> might narrow it down a bit
[19:41] <AlanBell> bug 914841
[19:42] <Monotoko> ahhh it's fixed :D
[19:43] <AlanBell> wonder if the 12.04.1 CD image got the fix
[19:43] <AlanBell> anyhow, would be interesting if a live quantal cd boots silent on your hardware
[20:11] <Monotoko> AlanBell, I shall let you know tomorrow if you like?
[20:11] <AlanBell> great
[20:13] <AlanBell> popey: https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/60120_10152098880340321_1361019164_n.jpg
[20:15] <popey> niiiice
[20:19] <Monotoko> AlanBell, do you like cats? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2YGEgnrgO2s/T4rICqmFNjI/AAAAAAAABRE/xC1h6RbMWJI/s1600/Cat-Rack-082.jpg
[20:19] <AlanBell> yeah, I like cats, but I couldn't eat a whole one
[20:20] <Monotoko> heh :P
[20:21]  * AlanBell copies quantal to USB for the 4th time today
[20:40] <AlanBell> and fails to install it again. ubiquity is crashy today :(
[20:42] <xnox> AlanBell: it shouldn't. Traceback?
[20:43] <xnox> AlanBell: please boot with `maybe-ubiquity debug-ubiquity` (At boot -> Esc -> Enter -> F6 -> Esc -> type 'maybe-ubiquity debug-ubiquity' -> Enter) =/
[20:45] <AlanBell> ok, only seems to crash on my desktop, in a VM it works
[20:45] <AlanBell> and I just did a media check on the USB
[20:49] <AlanBell> xnox: ok, where did it put the traceback?
[20:50] <xnox> AlanBell: /var/log/syslog or /var/log/installer/*
[20:50] <xnox> /var/log/installer/debug or /var/log/install/dm depending on what crashes
[20:50] <AlanBell> oh, there it is :(
[20:55] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1215638/
[20:56] <Monotoko> that looks fun
[20:56] <Monotoko> :)
[20:57] <AlanBell> ah, it does crash in the VM as well
[20:57] <AlanBell> ubiquity+orca=kaboom :(
[21:01] <xnox> hmm... that looks very bad. Please file a bug with that paste.
[21:02] <AlanBell> bug 1053112
[21:03] <AlanBell> someone want to reproduce that? don't need to install anything, just boot from todays CD and press Ctrl+S at the drums and try to get to page 2 of ubiquity
[21:04] <xnox> AlanBell: are you Ubuntu Member and are you in Bug-squad? E.g. can you set bugs to confirmed and prioritise and add tags?
[21:04] <xnox> AlanBell: well I did do full screen-reader install with imaes from 2012-09-17 timestamp.
[21:04] <AlanBell> yes, no, not if they are my bugs, no, yes
[21:05] <xnox> well done =)
[21:05] <xnox> AlanBell: you should apply for ubuntu bug squad membership.
[21:05] <xnox> AlanBell: it's "light weight" application process https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[21:07]  * AlanBell applies
[21:08] <popey> yay, join the club
[21:11] <xnox> AlanBell: confirmed with fresh image.
[21:12] <AlanBell> great
[21:13] <czajkowski> have folks seen http://blog.launchpad.net/general/privacy-for-blueprints-enabled-for-beta-testers
[21:35] <popey> AlanBell, remember these :) http://www.ijtdirect.co.uk/?sct=elonexone
[21:35] <popey> 20 quid now :)
[21:35] <AlanBell> overpriced
[21:35] <popey> :)
[21:35] <mgdm> hehe
[21:35] <popey> directhex, seen Unity coming to Wii U?
[21:36] <mgdm> ...?
[21:36] <popey> Unity 3D the game engine
[21:36] <popey> (shhh, written in mono)
[21:36] <AlanBell> the Elonex One-T was almost good, that was the super light mips thing
[21:45] <directhex> popey, makes sense, it already runs on ps3 and 360
[21:45] <popey> ah, didnt know it did PS3 too
[21:47] <directhex> http://unity3d.com/unity/publishing/
[21:52] <ali1234> anyone can set bugs to confirmed and add tags, just no set priority afaik
[21:53] <AlanBell> indeed, but you shouldn't confirm your own
[21:54] <ali1234> so i played torchlight for a bit. slightly buggy. the main character's head disappears if you wear a hat
[21:54] <ali1234> this does not affect gameplay though
[21:57] <ali1234> i also got one "The minimum corner of the box must be less than or equal to maximum corner"
[21:57] <ali1234> that's usually caused by division by zero in vector math
[21:58] <ali1234> can also happen sometimes if an object "falls out" of the world and you don't stop it from falling past MAX_FLOAT
[21:59] <ali1234> oh, rochard is up... "physics based puzzle platformer"
[22:00] <ali1234> i always get suspicious of anything that claims to be "physics based" as it usually means "we were too lazy to think of a good game mechanic"
[22:00] <AlanBell> friend of mine works in QA on games, they were doing a racing game and there were holes in the invisible walls, to find them all one of the developers decided to just fill the track with water and see where it leaked out
[22:00] <ali1234> wat
[22:00] <mgdm> o_O
[22:01] <ali1234> game engine had a whole fluid sim that they weren't even using?
[22:01] <AlanBell> no, they put the model in something else and let it run overnight
[22:01] <ali1234> oh
[22:01] <ali1234> fair enough
[22:01] <mgdm> the last engine I did any work on would just crash if the level wasn't airtight
[22:02] <mgdm> That might well have been UT about 10 years ago, i can't remember
[22:02] <ali1234> depends on what kind of scene manager you're using
[22:02] <ali1234> racing games do not work well with typical indoor-FPS scene manager that most engines have
[22:20] <AlanBell> ali1234: how is your awesome race game coming on?
[22:20] <ali1234> i have not done anything on it for weeks
[22:21] <ali1234> i had to finish that website project, and since then i've just been playing tekkit and trying to add ipv6 support on my router
[22:31] <popey> ali1234, is that game something you'd sell in USC?
[22:35] <ali1234> sure, absolutely
[22:43] <popey> cool, look forward to it
[23:01] <directhex> mgdm, UT engine has a filled universe by default, no? so leakage isn't an issue
[23:02] <hamitron> ali1234, what sort of racing game?
[23:03] <mgdm> directhex: must've been a quake derivative, then - I knew one had a filled universe you carved out of, and the other you had to be careful to seal
[23:03] <mgdm> directhex: it was over 10 years since I cared :)
[23:03] <directhex> mgdm, quake engine needed sealing. BSP-based things. half-life and so on
[23:04] <ali1234> hamitron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9cMW6pFyiM
[23:04] <directhex> if in doubt, GIANT CUBOID AROUND ALL THE THINGS
[23:04] <mgdm> directhex: that'll be it :)
[23:05] <hamitron> wipeout / death race?
[23:06] <mgdm> directhex: I find myself in an odd position. I am quite interested in how 3D games are put together, but almost not at all in playing them
[23:06] <directhex> mgdm, you and 300 other linux game engine developers ;)
[23:06] <hamitron> looks like could be fun anyway
[23:06] <hamitron> :)
[23:06] <mgdm> directhex: :D