[01:20] <thafreak> i'm still here
[01:20] <paultag> ♥
[01:20] <thafreak> the tito's vodka was calling
[01:21] <canthus13> thafreak: they left you behind? :(
[01:21] <thafreak> nah, I'm just not done
[01:21] <canthus13> ah.
[01:21] <thafreak> been glued to my chair more or less since sunday morning
[01:22] <thafreak> mail server i had been planning on replacing for the last 2 years died on me
[01:22] <thafreak> been rushing to get things moved around and replacements setup...mail migrated etc
[01:22] <thafreak> and the old mail had ldap built in...so I had the file server's samba authing against it
[01:23] <thafreak> so I had to replace that too :)
[01:23] <thafreak> seems I never get around to my projects like this until I'm forced to by a crisis
[01:23] <thafreak> i can't wait to get drunk at OLF
[01:23] <thafreak> I may BYOB
[01:24] <thafreak> finish this tito's vodka
[01:25] <canthus13> Lucky you. We've been dealing with tucows and their limping mail cluster. :/
[01:26] <canthus13> "30% of cluster B's accounts are not able to log in. we don't have it isolated, but we CAN rotate it around within that 30% so different accounts are affected at different times."
[01:27] <canthus13> mail server roulette. :/
[01:27]  * canthus13 wonders what kinda of mail server allows for you to move the problem around, but not fix it.
[01:28] <canthus13> apparently their storage hardware is through oracle, and it's some odd hardware issue.
[01:31] <thafreak> well there you go...it's an oracle problem
[01:32] <thafreak> This customer was always adamant about keeping mail in house...
[01:32] <thafreak> But they were like why's it not back up yet...do we need to buy another server...lets do it now
[01:32] <canthus13> thafreak: That's fine if they're small.. but managing a million mail accounts... leave that to a hosting company you can blame when things go wrong.
[01:32] <thafreak> I was like now, the hardware is fine...i just need to re-setup everything
[01:32] <thafreak> well after this mess, I
[01:33] <thafreak> I may push them towards google business again
[01:33] <thafreak> see if they bite now
[01:33] <canthus13> google business... that can be expensive, quick.
[01:34] <canthus13> fifty bucks per year per account iirc.
[01:35] <canthus13> but worth it for a few accounts.
[01:49] <thafreak> yeah...but there's nothing else really out there as comprehensive
[01:49] <thafreak> except all the places offering hosted exchange...and well fuck that noise
[02:05] <canthus13> ew. exchange.
[02:05]  * canthus13 has been on a few really bad dates with exchange. :/
[02:06] <thafreak> yeah, my univeristy just switched all of us employees...from exchange
[02:06] <thafreak> to HOSTED exchange
[02:06] <canthus13> OWA?
[02:06] <canthus13> my girl's school uses OWA. :/
[02:06] <thafreak> thing is, I had software that talked to our exchange server via OWA, and gave me an imap server
[02:07] <thafreak> sso I could use tbird still
[02:07] <thafreak> but now that it's hosted, it uses federated login crap and does all this redirect stuff...
[02:07] <thafreak> needless to say, my software no longer works :(
[02:07] <thafreak> now I'm stuck with the web version of the desktop outlook client
[02:08] <thafreak> if I hated the desktop client...why would I like the near clone of it, but with more complicated to find anything features
[02:09]  * thafreak is half tempted to set up a mailserver and forward all my exchange mails >:)
[02:09] <canthus13> Heh.
[02:09] <thafreak> Oh, and hosted exchange supports IMAP...but the geniuses on campus deemed it too insecure...or some other halfassed answer, and won't allow it to be enabled
[02:10] <thafreak> probably cause the stupid federated login bullsh*t
[02:11] <thafreak> FYI. for anyone who cares...imapcopy, which is in the debian repos, works great for copying mail from one imap server to another
[02:11] <thafreak> none of the other tools I ran across I could get to work well...
[02:11] <thafreak> so I'm giving imapcopy a recomendation here :)
[02:12] <canthus13> cool.
[02:12] <canthus13> I just need to fight my way through getting postfix to allow connections from off-server.
[02:12]  * canthus13 idd it once before... then the server committed suicide.
[02:13] <thafreak> archivemail also was cool...but it mainly just pulled mails from imap, put them in a n mbox and gzipped it
[02:14] <thafreak> i have one user with over 18k emails...in the inbox :/
[02:14] <thafreak> not in subfolders of inbox...right there in the inbox
[02:15] <canthus13> bet that's fun when it loads...
[02:15] <thafreak> that's going to take hours
[02:15] <thafreak> yeah...i have no sympathy for them complaining about email being slow
[02:16] <thafreak> need to make sure their laptop isn't missing the delete key
[02:16] <canthus13> Our nitwit network admins shut down a guy who had a setup like that because it kept syncing across the internet.. they thought he was running a mail server. (Which is against TOS without a static IP...)
[02:16] <canthus13> something like 10GB every time he synced.
[02:16] <canthus13> not sure if he was just reinstalling all the time, or outlook was having issues, or what.
[02:16] <thafreak> that's a silly amount of email
[02:16]  * canthus13 figures he was prolly keeping every spam he ever received.
[02:17] <thafreak> i'm half tempted to dump all my old email to gzip'd mbox files...so I can search with zgrep
[02:17] <thafreak> plus I rarely look at it...
[02:18] <thafreak> I tend to keep it all on gmail since I can search gmail pretty easily...but I can also pretty easily ssh to a box and bust out zgrep
[02:19] <canthus13> zgrep?
[02:19] <thafreak> So, your TOS would not allow any of my machines then
[02:19] <thafreak> they all have email servers for sending me email when things happen :)
[02:19] <canthus13> thafreak: not unless you had a static IP. then you can do pretty much anything legal.
[02:19] <thafreak> what if the email all just looks like normal smtp traffic to gmail?
[02:19] <canthus13> and if they only sent a few messages here and there, it wouldn't matter. they're more worried about illegal spam servers.
[02:20] <canthus13> this dude had a pretty constant stream of mail straffic.
[02:20] <thafreak> ah, not crypted mail traffic
[02:20] <canthus13> *traffic
[02:20] <thafreak> yes, zgrep is the gzip friendly version of grep
[02:20] <thafreak> there's also a bzgrep too
[02:20] <thafreak> kinda like zcat | grep
[02:21] <canthus13> ah. cool.
[02:21]  * thafreak tends to use it alot on compressed rotated logs
[05:39] <gilbert> paultag: seems like a great idea :)
[05:39] <gilbert> paultag: is there a charge to create a bof
[05:39] <gilbert> paultag: btw, what day are you getting in?
[05:39]  * gilbert really needs to check irc more often
[11:52] <andygraybeal> morning
[12:01] <paultag> gilbert: don't think so, and friday night with mathay
[12:01] <paultag> brb, work
[14:31] <paultag> Cheri703: you should get on the re-app for Ohio
[14:31] <paultag> Cheri703: also, what's up the the package, did it get in?
[14:32] <paultag> we will get unapproved if nothing goes on
[14:57] <Cheri703> I had sent the request and got a positive response, it's getting shipped to itsafork, so I'll check in with him to let me know when it arrives
[14:58] <paultag> ack, ty :)
[15:08] <canthus13> Yarr... It be Talk Like A Pirate Day, mateys.
[15:08] <paultag> 11:08 <+CERNTHERS13> ERR... ERT BE TERLK LERKE A PERTE DER, MAHTERS.
[15:08]  * canthus13 got a reprimand from a giggling supervisor for Talk Like a Pirate Day a couple of years ago...
[15:09] <paultag> did you take support calls like that?
[15:09] <canthus13> I did... 'til I got told not to.
[15:10] <paultag> :)
[15:57] <Darkwing> Ubuntu have a booth at OLF?
[15:58] <paultag> Ubuntu have booth
[15:58] <paultag> (Well, Ohio LoCo, last I knew)
[15:58] <Darkwing> Okay...
[15:58] <paultag> Darkwing: what's up, brotato?
[15:58] <Darkwing> I'll bring some Kubuntu handouts if anyone is interested...
[15:58] <paultag> nice :)
[15:58] <paultag> If the conf-packs still have them, we might have Kubuntu CDs
[15:58] <Darkwing> I'll have some paper flyers stuff and if they arrive in time I might have some stickers
[15:58] <paultag> but I don't know the state of that
[15:59] <Darkwing> Kubuntu doesn't get CDs anymore.
[15:59] <paultag> ah.
[15:59] <paultag> well, fuck.
[15:59] <Darkwing> Part of the whole "Canonical dropping commercial support thing"
[15:59] <paultag> ah.
[15:59] <paultag> what a shame.
[15:59] <paultag> I'll have to find my Kubuntu shirt to wear.
[16:00] <Darkwing> and Riddell isn't getting a ride to UDS (Me either actually, ignoring the LoCo stuff I do) anymore either.
[16:00] <paultag> le sigh
[16:00] <Darkwing> I'll have an older Kubuntu polo I'm wearing.
[16:00] <paultag> become debian contributors
[16:00] <paultag> then say you're fostering upstream collaboration
[16:01] <Darkwing> I'm staying with Kubuntu... we are working on getting outside commercial support. $2500 was donated randomly to help get developers to UDS
[16:02] <paultag> legit.
[16:03] <Darkwing> Plus, with Blue Systems... we are going to actually have a swag budget
[16:04] <Darkwing> Oh, to the rest of the Ohio Loco... I'm David Wonderly AKA Darkwing. I was a lead in the California Loco till I moved to Fort Wayne, Indiana. :D I'm also on the Kubuntu council and a Kubuntu/KDE developer.
[16:14] <paultag> ^5
[16:23] <canthus13> Darkwing: Cool. I may be rooming with the guy that runs ILF on saturday night...
[16:23] <Darkwing> Oh good. I wanted to get with him...
[16:23] <Darkwing> I helped setup and run SCaLE last year.
[16:24] <Darkwing> (Southern California Linux Expo)
[16:24] <Darkwing> I'm only going to be able to be there on Sat.
[16:24] <canthus13> Darkwing: I'll be by the Ubuntu booth on saturday.. I'll introduce you.
[16:24] <Darkwing> Awesome.
[16:25] <canthus13> my wife is gonna be helping out with his booth, so I'll be back and forth.
[16:25] <Darkwing> Oh sweet.
[16:25] <Darkwing> I'll be bringing my Girlfriend (New to linux) with me.
[16:25] <Darkwing> What booth is his?
[16:26] <canthus13> ILF usually has a booth at OLF.
[16:26] <canthus13> That's where he'll be.
[16:26] <Darkwing> Oh cool!
[16:27] <Darkwing> He lurk IRC somewhere?
[16:27] <canthus13> Big bald guy with a red goatee.. usually wears a kilt. and I believe he's in ##infonomicon or #infonomicon
[16:28] <Darkwing> Okay sweet. :)
[16:28] <canthus13> He's not in there now... goes by Drachenblut
[16:28] <Darkwing> Thanks
[16:29] <canthus13> no prob.
[17:05] <paultag> was he the one that got married at OLF?
[17:05] <paultag> Cheri703: ^
[17:05] <paultag> erm
[17:05] <paultag> canthus13: ^
[17:05] <paultag> sorry Cheri703
[17:05] <canthus13> paultag: Umm.. I don't think so.
[17:05] <paultag> hurm.
[17:05] <paultag> I forgot who that was.
[17:05] <paultag> someone with a kilt, for sure.
[17:14] <snap-l> Yeah, because there's so few men with bald heads and kilts at tech conferences
[17:15] <snap-l> It's like saying "Oh, he's the guy with glasses and a T-shirt"
[17:15] <paultag> true enough :)
[17:25] <thafreak> gotta love this...
[17:26] <thafreak> "Also fyi image preview does work with pngs in the first principle site;
[17:26] <thafreak> just not pdfs.  For now, that will work."
[17:26] <thafreak> it's probably because pdf's are not technically images...
[17:42] <Cheri703> itsafork has confirmed: Conference pack has arrived, still waiting on CD shipment and UW stuff
[17:43] <paultag> \o/
[17:44] <Cheri703> yep :)
[19:42] <paultag> jacob_: jacob_ jacob_ jacob_ jacob_ jacob_
[19:42] <paultag> jacob_: jacob_ jacob_
[19:42] <paultag> jacob_: I can't tell you how much I just giggled at https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/533575_10151067736841840_253020954_n.jpg
[19:42] <jacob_> haha
[19:42] <jacob_> i had so much fun with that picture
[19:43] <paultag> oh god
[19:43] <paultag> there's a fullsize
[19:43] <paultag> hahahahahahahahahahaha
[19:43] <jacob> yes
[19:43] <paultag> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/550639_411203915607924_1872869396_n.jpg
[19:43] <paultag> aaaaaaahahahahaha
[19:43] <jacob> :D
[19:44] <paultag> so good
[19:45] <jacob> now all it needs is an impact-font caption
[19:45] <jacob> and then business will be complete
[19:45] <paultag> I can do that.
[19:50] <paultag> jacob: http://i.imgur.com/2K9OI.jpg
[19:50] <jacob> awesome
[19:56] <Darkwing> paultag: either that or as a caption: "Then I told them that the iPhone 5 was innovative."
[19:57] <paultag> haha
[19:57] <paultag> that next iphone will be so fucking squashed
[19:57] <paultag> how can you watch movies anymore? :)
[19:58] <Darkwing> I just hope that Samsung holds true to their promise of the lawsuit after the "Rounded corners" one from Apple..
[19:58] <Darkwing> Because Samsung did 4G first :D
[19:58] <paultag> all these suits are fucking stupid
[19:58] <paultag> out with the laywers
[19:59] <paultag> lawyers
[19:59] <Darkwing> Yeah I agree.
[19:59] <Unit193> My grandfather is a retired one...
[19:59] <Darkwing> it was effing stupid
[20:00] <paultag> my next few weeks are so busy
[20:01] <Darkwing> wish mine was :/
[20:02] <paultag> nah dude
[20:02] <paultag> overly busy
[20:03] <paultag> every weekend is just loaded now
[20:14] <Darkwing> I'm not working again... The company I was working for folded. :/
[20:15] <paultag> wait, what? I thought you were working for something super stable
[20:28] <Darkwing> I was... and it was super stable...
[20:29] <Darkwing> Then I guess the owners son embezzled a bunch of money and it was legal because of some signatures
[20:29] <Darkwing> So they had to fold.
[20:29] <paultag> dafuq
[20:29] <Darkwing> Yeah.
[20:29] <Darkwing> I guess he told his dad (The owner) that it was one thing and it wasn't
[20:30] <paultag> that's absurdity
[20:30] <Darkwing> so, it was totally legal but ended up crashing the effing company
[20:30] <Darkwing> So, I'm jobless again.
[20:38] <Cheri703> that happens a lot more than people think :/ yay human greed!
[20:40] <thafreak> if you were buying mobile broadband device...would you get the usb stick, or the wifi enabled hotspot
[20:40] <Darkwing> wifi hotspot.
[20:41] <thafreak> you don't think those are less secure?
[20:41] <Darkwing> Nope. WPA2 is WPA2
[20:41] <thafreak> the chances of some one cracking my wpa2 and stealing my bandwidth aren't that high?
[20:41] <Cheri703> you can often plug them in
[20:41] <Cheri703> directly to the computer
[20:41] <Darkwing> No more than piggybacking your mobile signal.
[20:42] <paultag> thafreak: usually, they have an indicator with how many are connecting
[20:42] <paultag> erm, connected
[20:42] <thafreak> http://store.truconnect.com/devices/truconnect-mifi.html
[20:42] <Cheri703> "Micro USB port for charging and tethered use"
[20:42] <Cheri703> so you can have it plugged in for "security" and wifi for convenience
[20:42] <thafreak> so, forgive me as I haven't looked into this much, I just usually avoid wifi when possible
[20:42] <Darkwing> ahhhh.
[20:43] <thafreak> if two people are on the same wpa2 wifi, can they see each other's traffic?
[20:43] <paultag> no
[20:43] <paultag> that's an unencrypted thing
[20:43] <paultag> since you won't get the packets when you're in promisc mode
[20:43]  * Cheri703 did support for AT&T and the mifi devices and such
[20:43] <thafreak> so each device gets it's own key I guess
[20:43] <paultag> yeah
[20:43] <paultag> just like ssl
[20:43] <yano> you'd need to set your wifi card to monitor mode
[20:43] <paultag> yano: that only works for unencrypted packets
[20:44] <paultag> WPA uses symetrical keypairs to avoid that
[20:44] <paultag> (and friends)
[20:44]  * thafreak has been meaning to set up a dummy wifi to experiment with
[20:44] <paultag> symmetrical
[20:44] <thafreak> that's what she said
[20:44] <yano> if one disconnects from an AP, set their wifi card to monitor mode, fires up airodump-ng, saves traffic of friend on AP, assuming they know the PSK for the AP they can un-encrypt the saved packets
[20:45] <yano> i'm skipping over a few steps, but that's the gist of the idea
[20:45] <paultag> you're assuming it's using a PSK
[20:45] <paultag> erm, wait
[20:45] <paultag> you're assuming you've cracked the PSK
[20:46] <paultag> which is not really as easy as you were making it out to be
[20:46] <paultag> 16:43 < yano> you'd need to set your wifi card to monitor mode
[20:48] <yano> true
[20:48] <thafreak> but if I know the psk, can I then decrypt the traffic from other people on the wpa2?
[20:49] <yano> thafreak: yes
[20:49] <thafreak> is that why they say the enterprise mode where there is no psk is better?
[20:49] <yano> hence why you want to limit who you give your PSK out to
[20:49] <yano> thafreak: yea because the username AND the password are hashed together
[20:49] <thafreak> cause we use wpa2 at work...but it's like radius auth or something, no psk
[20:49] <yano> because not only would you need someone else's username but also their password
[20:50] <yano> yea, OSU has a Radius server set up with PEAP
[20:50] <thafreak> hmm...I think I'm doing radius auth for my house then
[20:50] <yano> meh, i tried it once. huge PITA
[20:50] <yano> but then again that was 3 years ago
[20:50] <yano> and since i was the only user, i said screwed it and just changed my PSK once a month (use to use something from http://grc.com/password )
[20:52] <yano> not many APs let you give them the 64 character hexidecimal for the PSK (which is basically a representation of the 63 printable ASCII characters (assuming you are using 63 characters, which you should be!))
[20:55] <yano> the 64 character hexidecimal representation is actually the 256 bit key and it's derived by using the PBKDF2 algorithm on the provided PSK (for example if you provided something like "p@ssw0rd" as your password, it would PBKDF2(p@ssw0rd) and that's the 64 character hexideciaml representation)
[21:01] <thafreak> well, mobile broadband ordered...I hope it arrives before I leave for OLF...
[21:03] <skellat> thafreak: Which provider?