[02:44] <micahg> knome: we had issues with mousetweaks in precise and onboard was fixed to not require it for precise
[07:31] <ochosi> knome: the description of xubuntu-artwork on lp should prolly be re-thought: "Xubuntu desktop themes, GDM themes and Usplash artwork." (more than 2/3 of that is not accurate anymore ;))
[07:31] <ochosi> s/more than/exactly/ :)
[08:34] <knome> micahg, ok, yeah, but it's still just recommends. or shouldn't be even that anymore...
[08:34] <knome> ochosi, can you change that?
[08:34] <knome> ochosi, i mean, do you have the permissions? if you do, feel free to simply go ahead
[08:39] <knome> astraljava, what about that display-dialog code? did you find it already?
[08:45] <astraljava> I had no chance to look for it, yet. I'll check it most probably on Friday evening, or during the weekend the latest. I'm not much at home before that.
[09:30] <ochosi> astraljava: ahoi! and: about how much of it had you done already?
[09:48] <astraljava> ochosi: Howdy, how are you? I didn't make any progress since the last time we spoke, my machine broke sometime soon after I got the layout changes done, and then when I got that fixed, xserver broke. :) I haven't gotten dual-head working since, though I haven't had time to play with it much either.
[09:49] <ochosi> astraljava: welcome back! i'm doing ok, obviously not working as much as you recently ;)
[09:49] <ochosi> astraljava: humm, so you haven't touched the xrandr stuff yet at all i guess?
[09:49] <astraljava> Danke!
[09:49] <astraljava> ochosi: It's not just work, mind you...
[09:49] <ochosi> right...
[09:49] <astraljava> ochosi: Nope, never got deep into that part at all. 
[09:50] <ochosi> ok, then don't mind to look for the code. the UI parts are quickly changed and much of that is done already in xfce-git
[09:50] <astraljava> Yeah, I expected as much.
[09:51] <astraljava> Sorry for dropping the ball on this.
[09:51] <ochosi> hope bluesabre and me get some time soon to get the xrandr stuff going
[09:51] <ochosi> no problem, it happens ;)
[09:52] <astraljava> I'm shifting the emphasis of my contribution now, though, so development is going to be where I'll play from now on. Or at least after this cycle.
[09:52] <ochosi> very cool
[09:52] <ochosi> i really hope we can get a few things going during the next cycle
[09:53] <astraljava> Are you going to be online during this weekend?
[09:53] <ochosi> but i guess mostly we'll have to try to deal with gtk2 -> gtk3 problems
[09:53] <ochosi> hmm, not much i'm afraid
[09:53] <astraljava> Ok.
[09:53] <ochosi> a friend of mine turns 30...
[09:53] <ochosi> and i have quite a few meetings on frida
[09:53] <ochosi> y
[09:53] <ochosi> but i guess sunday evening i'd be back
[09:54] <bluesabre> ochosi: I might get some time soon
[09:54] <astraljava> My weekdays' nights are still busy until this upcoming weekend, but then the whole of the weekend is free, so I can dedicate parts of it for our stuff. But I'm not going to spend (or even plan to) as much as before, I need to have other kind of things in my life as well. :)
[09:54] <ochosi> o hai bluesabre :)
[09:54] <astraljava> Hey Sean!
[09:54] <ochosi> bluesabre: good morning to you!
[09:54] <bluesabre> Good day everyone!
[09:55] <ochosi> astraljava: yeah, that sounds like a sane plan
[09:55] <ochosi> i guess my next project is code-commenting for parole
[09:55] <astraljava> I noticed I'm going insane if I hack only, both at work and at home.
[09:55] <ochosi> heh
[09:55] <ochosi> definitely
[09:55] <bluesabre> Sanity... who needs it?  :)
[09:55] <ochosi> oh, also right now there's no stress at all, most of our workitems for 12.10 are either done or postponed
[09:55] <ochosi> hehe
[09:56] <astraljava> bluesabre: It's part of insanity, so I suppose quite many. :D
[09:56] <ochosi> astraljava: oh also, as i'm not attending UDS i might come to .fi for a RL meeting at some point
[09:57] <astraljava> ochosi: Yeah, but I'd have liked to do those that sadly are now postponed. But oh well, I guess it's better late than not even then, which could happen if I pushed like previously. :)
[09:57] <astraljava> ochosi: Super!
[09:57] <Sysi> I could try to get to south then too
[09:58] <ochosi> yeah, that'd be nice
[09:58] <astraljava> Totally.
[10:23] <ochosi> knome: i'm afraid i won't be able to make today's meeting...
[10:25] <knome> ochosi, you suck
[10:26] <ochosi> :)
[10:26] <ochosi> anyway, there's not much to update for now
[10:26] <knome> y
[10:26] <ochosi> our themes should be mostly bugfree after mr_pouit has uploaded them
[10:27] <ochosi> i'm wondering whether we should drop the USC icon from our icon-theme
[10:27] <ochosi> since we're already doing an upload, i guess it wouldn't be hard to include that
[10:27] <knome> showertime.
[10:27] <knome> your call.
[10:27] <ochosi> feel free to discuss that with bluesabre and mr_pouit today ;)
[10:27] <ochosi> i'd drop it i think
[10:27] <ochosi> or update it with a better icon
[10:28] <ochosi> better or different
[10:36] <ochosi> bluesabre: what do you think about this? http://imagebin.org/228946
[10:37] <ochosi> (still better than original USC icon and different enough from synaptic imo)
[10:38] <bluesabre> ochosi: Sure, not bad.  It's purple, so ubuntu-y
[10:38] <ochosi> yeah, that was the idea behind it
[10:38] <ochosi> orange looked a bit too "critical"
[10:38] <ochosi> (colors were borrowed from humanity-icontheme)
[10:39] <bluesabre> Even better
[10:39] <ochosi> i could re-color them and push them to git
[10:39] <bluesabre> I'd say go for it
[10:39] <ochosi> okeydokey
[10:40] <bluesabre> :)
[10:40] <ochosi> if you're around in the meeting, would you mind talking mr_pouit into uploading a new snapshot to 12.10?
[10:40] <bluesabre> If I'm around and I remember.  I have a real life meeting at that time too
[10:40] <ochosi> oh right, then nvm
[10:56] <astraljava> knome: To enhance the suckage, I can't attend either.
[10:56] <astraljava> ...or maybe that's a relief, I don't know.
[10:56] <knome> :P
[11:05] <ochosi> knome: xubuntu-artwork description updated
[11:05] <knome> ochosi, ta
[13:14]  * ochosi might make the meeting after all (at least there's a slight chance)
[13:15]  * smartboyhw thinks he should congratulate elfy 
[13:40] <ochosi> ok, looks i can't attend after all...
[13:40] <smartboyhw> ...
[13:40]  * elfy will dust the channel for while 
[13:41] <smartboyhw> lol elfy
[13:41]  * smartboyhw find it weird that elfy wants to dust the channel since he isn´t an op of the channel...
[13:48] <pnarciso> hey guys
[13:48] <smartboyhw> Hi pnarciso 
[13:49] <pnarciso> so, there's a meeting today
[13:49] <smartboyhw> Yes:)
[13:50] <pnarciso> when is beta 2 be released?
[13:51] <smartboyhw> pnarciso: Er I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseInterlock has the answer
[13:52] <smartboyhw> Next thursday precisely
[13:52] <pnarciso> thank you
[13:53] <smartboyhw> NP pnarciso 
[13:53] <pnarciso> Xubuntu 12.10 is working pretty nice now
[13:53] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:53] <pnarciso> but there's still the duplicated drives problem
[13:54] <smartboyhw> That´s the big one
[13:55] <elfy> I'd rather seem messaaging than drives fixed 
[13:55] <pnarciso> sound plugin is working now
[13:56] <elfy> mmm - not here it's not - but might have missed an update
[13:56] <pnarciso> you must add it manually
[13:56] <elfy> oh - right click add etc ?
[13:56] <pnarciso> must add plugin indicator to xfce panel
[13:57] <elfy> already have it 
[13:57] <ochosi> the indicator-plugin should still be in the panel, you might have to install the indicator-sound package though
[13:58] <pnarciso> in my case the plugin indicator was not in the panel and I add it manually
[13:58] <pnarciso> the latest updates added the gtk2 sound indicator
[13:59] <ochosi> totally possible, i haven't checked yet
[14:00] <pnarciso> USC is working for a while now
[14:00] <ochosi> i hope we'll get the themes updated soon, and maybe the new USC icon with it
[14:00] <elfy> got the sound one now 
[14:00] <pnarciso> also, I´ ve seen that you just committed a fix for the USC icon 
[14:00] <ochosi> then my share is more or less done for this cycle
[14:01] <ochosi> not sure the icon will land in 12.10
[14:01] <pnarciso> have you done more changes to the theme?
[14:02] <ochosi> the icon theme or the gtk themes?
[14:02] <elfy> usc?
[14:02] <ochosi> Ubuntu Software Center
[14:02] <ochosi> (aka the one and only, ugly, slow memory hog)~
[14:02] <elfy> oic - I'd not see that then 
[14:02] <ochosi> it's this one: http://imagebin.org/228946
[14:03] <pnarciso> USC is a mess, I can't even install an external deb without it crashing
[14:03] <elfy> nice - not enough to make me install it though ochosi :D
[14:04] <pnarciso> gdebi should be default :)
[14:04] <ochosi> elfy: thanks, it was just the obvious fix for distinguishing it from the (blue) synaptic icon ;) and yeah, i could see why you wouldn't wanna install/use it
[14:04] <ochosi> pnarciso: afaik gdebi is unmaintained for a while already
[14:04] <elfy> :)
[14:04] <ochosi> so it's not an option
[14:05] <pnarciso> but it works :)
[14:05] <elfy> luckily it works though :)(
[14:05] <ochosi> and installing external debs doesn't really work with synaptic
[14:05] <ochosi> also i wouldn't wanna point new users to manually downloading and installing debs
[14:05] <davmor2> pnarciso: when USC fails to install a deb do you report the bug?
[14:05] <ochosi> everyone who can do that can use dpkg cli
[14:05] <pnarciso> yes I do
[14:06] <pnarciso> but I can only do it once :)
[14:06] <davmor2> pnarciso: do you have a bug number
[14:06] <pnarciso> no
[14:07] <pnarciso> but it shouldn't be too hard to search in ubuntu bugs
[14:08] <pnarciso> there's a lot of reports
[14:08] <ochosi> davmor2: are you involved in USC?
[14:09] <davmor2> pnarciso: next time if you can open USC from the terminal then trigger the deb install and add the terminal info to the bug report.  A lot of the time the issue is the package fails lintian checks, we are working on a fix for this though
[14:09] <davmor2> ochosi: I might be
[14:10] <pnarciso> ok, I will do it next time
[14:10] <ochosi> davmor2: then excuse my previous harsh comments ;) but really, i have the feeling that the previous version wasn't as slow and sluggish...
[14:10] <pnarciso> But I'm glad you are aware of this issue
[14:12] <davmor2> ochosi: Quantal's opens installs an close 2 and half to 4 second faster than in precise and precise was only 2 seconds slower than the gtk2 version.  The big issue might be the fact that it is all gtk3 now that is causing issues on xubuntu maybe, it is only really tested and supported for Ubuntu
[14:13] <ochosi> davmor2: gtk3 isn't a problem in itself in xubuntu, it's only gtk3-only plugins (like the indicators) that cause problems/work
[14:13] <micahg> well, if upstream GTK cared enough to fix their speed regressions and make improvements, then Xfce might make it more of a priority to switch
[14:13] <ochosi> +1
[14:14] <davmor2> ochosi: oh and to be fair in precise it was a real memory hog it had a memory leak if you installed more than one app, that has been resolved for quantal 3-8 meg increase instead of 3-600 meg for 4 apps :)
[14:14] <ochosi> hehe
[14:15] <ochosi> davmor2: right, well in all fairness i've only tested it on quantal in vboxes, not real installs...
[14:15] <pnarciso> I just made USC crash
[14:15] <pnarciso> I'll make a report now
[14:17] <pnarciso> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1044141
[14:38] <ochosi> gotta run now, have a good meeting everyone!
[14:38] <bluesabre> seeya ochosi
[14:38] <elfy> cya ochosi 
[14:38] <ochosi> o/
[14:39] <elfy> hi bluesabre 
[14:39] <smartboyhw> cya ochosi
[14:39] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[14:39] <bluesabre> how are you?
[14:39] <davmor2> pnarciso: ah yeap known chrome has 3 issues we are killing them slowly with FIRE!!!!! :D
[14:40] <elfy> bluesabre: all good here thanks :)
[14:40] <davmor2> pnarciso: the lintian for chrome seems to of gone though so that is a start
[14:42] <pnarciso> Well, I installed HIB Osmos game deb through software center and it crashed like I reported, so it's not a chrome issue
[14:51] <davmor2> pnarciso: no I mean it was an issue that chrome brought to light in USC
[14:52] <knome> meeting in less than 10 minutes
[14:52] <knome> pleia2, morning
[14:52] <knome> micahg, hullo
[14:52] <knome> mr_pouit, allö
[14:52] <smartboyhw> Hello all
[14:54] <pleia2> morning
[14:54] <elfy> hi pleia2 
[14:55] <knome> hey jjfrv8, elfy, smartboyhw 
[14:55] <elfy> good day good sir
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Hi knome:))
[14:55] <jjfrv8> Hi.
[14:55] <micahg> hi knome
[14:55] <SkippersBoss> afternoon
[14:56] <knome> hey SkippersBoss 
[14:56] <knome> since we seem to be here, i'll start the meeting now and run through the old stuff
[14:56] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[14:56] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Sep 19 14:56:38 2012 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:56] <knome> #chair pleia2 
[14:56] <meetingology> Current chairs: knome pleia2
[14:56] <knome> #topic Items carried on
[14:57] <knome> #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting
[14:57] <knome> seems to be none that are still appropriate/not obsolete
[14:57] <knome> #subtopic Disable compositor in live CD
[14:57] <knome> #info Compositor is disabled in the "Install Xubuntu" mode in the live CD
[14:58] <bluesabre> yay
[14:58] <knome> #subtopic Do we want to run encryption -tests for milestones?
[14:58] <knome> #info Postponing until R
[14:58] <knome> #subtopic Testcases feedback
[14:59] <knome> #info New testcases up at the ISO tracker, please see eg. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/23726/testcases
[14:59] <knome> #info If something is inaccurate, please send email to the xubuntu-devel mailing list
[14:59] <knome> #subtopic Xfce4 display dialog
[14:59] <knome> #info Postponed until R
[14:59] <knome> #subtopic Strategy Document review
[15:00] <knome> #info The new Strategy Document is published at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument
[15:00] <knome> #topic Team updates
[15:00] <knome> #subtopic Development
[15:00] <knome> is there anything worth mentioning since the last meeting?
[15:00]  * micahg wonders why the meeting started early...
[15:00] <knome> (eg. in the last month)
[15:01] <pleia2> knome got excited :)
[15:01] <knome> micahg, because i was simply running the old stuff away :)
[15:01] <knome> micahg, i knew there wasn't anything to comment on those really...
[15:01] <bluesabre> indicator-messages won't be making it, but that's not really news-worthy
[15:01] <knome> #info Re-introducing indicators, except indicator-messages
[15:02] <knome> i believe it's mostly been bugfixes and fighting agains the windmills after FFe
[15:02] <knome> #subtopic QA
[15:02] <knome> #info New testcases up at the ISO tracker
[15:03] <knome> #info We need more tests for Beta 2, since we skipped Beta 1
[15:03] <knome> #subtopic Marketing, Promotion and Artwork
[15:03] <knome> #info Xfwm window borders fixed (2px for Q)
[15:03] <knome> #info Lots of other bugfixes in too
[15:03] <pleia2> #info sent off a request for quote on some casebadge stickers
[15:04] <knome> #info Countdown banners designed, see http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/branding_exports/countdown_quantal.png for a quick preview
[15:04] <bluesabre> +1
[15:04] <bluesabre> brb
[15:04] <pleia2> #fleshed out our "marketing audience" on the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing so we can work on some flyers for events
[15:05] <pleia2> #info fleshed out our "marketing audience" on the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing so we can work on some flyers for events
[15:05] <knome> hehe:)
[15:05] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to draft text for flyers this week
[15:05] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to draft text for flyers this week
[15:05] <knome> #action knome to draft flyer looks hopefully before UDS
[15:05] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to draft flyer looks hopefully before UDS
[15:06] <knome> #action knome to get new countdown banners uploaded
[15:06] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to get new countdown banners uploaded
[15:06] <pleia2> #info website, wiki and help.ubuntu.com/community docs are looking good! we'll probably revisit them as a review next cycle
[15:06] <knome> #action mr_pouit to upload updates to xubuntu-artwork (theme bugfixes and elementary-xfce USC icon change)
[15:06] <meetingology> ACTION: mr_pouit to upload updates to xubuntu-artwork (theme bugfixes and elementary-xfce USC icon change)
[15:07] <knome> is that it for m&p&a ?
[15:07] <pleia2> I think so
[15:07] <knome> oh
[15:08] <knome> #info "Dotless" wallpaper uploaded for LightDM and Plymouth since they don't scale wallpapers well
[15:08] <knome> #subtopic Documentation and Website
[15:08] <pleia2> ah well, got website :)
[15:08] <knome> #info The documentation is now written, reviewed and converted to DocBook
[15:09] <knome> #info The docs will most probably land into B2, they'll be reviewed today to granted an upload permission
[15:09] <knome> *to grant?
[15:09] <knome> oh well..
[15:09] <pleia2> \o/
[15:09] <SkippersBoss> :-)
[15:09] <pleia2> thanks for your work, everyone :)
[15:10] <knome> #info Thanks for everybody contributing to the docs; bluesabre, elfy, jjfrv8, myself :P, ochosi, pleia2, SkippersBoss, smartboyhw, and others that are not online and/or i've forgotten
[15:10] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:10] <knome> #topic Announcements
[15:10] <knome> oh, did somebody have general updates?
[15:11] <pleia2> not strictly project news, but I'm going to be out of the country from Oct 10 through UDS, so someone else will need to handle release notes
[15:11] <pleia2> and any other website stuff that comes up :)
[15:11] <knome> i talked with ochosi about that, and i think well get that sorted
[15:11] <pleia2> great
[15:11] <knome> yes ma'am, ready to work o>
[15:12] <knome> #info Release notes need writers, for Beta 2 and Final release
[15:12] <knome> #info Beta 2 freeze is TOMORROW 21UTC
[15:13] <SkippersBoss> if i can help OOPS that's quick
[15:13] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:13] <knome> SkippersBoss, that's just the freeze, b2 release is next thursday :)
[15:13] <SkippersBoss> let me knmow what to do and where i can find it
[15:13] <knome> SkippersBoss, we'll send email to the -devel list
[15:14] <micahg> oversizedness
[15:14] <knome> ok, let's advance
[15:14] <knome> micahg, yeah
[15:14] <knome> #topic New and emerging items
[15:14] <knome> #subtopic ISO oversizedness
[15:15] <SkippersBoss> for the amd64 variant only
[15:15] <knome> #info We are currently at 708MB for amd64 and 693MB for i386
[15:15] <pleia2> I love it and it would make me sad, but dropping gimp?
[15:15] <knome> pleia2, that's dropped already \o/
[15:15] <pleia2> oh now I am sad!
[15:15] <knome> pleia2, so is gnumeric \o/
[15:15] <micahg> it gave us 20MB
[15:15] <SkippersBoss> so is gnumeric
[15:15] <micahg> knome: drop 1 more langauage?
[15:15] <micahg> on amd64 that is
[15:15] <knome> np: Hans Zimmer (Gladiator OST) / Barbarian Horde
[15:15] <knome> suits very well for the situation
[15:15] <micahg>  * Languages: es pt zh-hans
[15:15] <knome> micahg, yeah, i was simply thinking the same.
[15:16] <micahg> that gets us proper sized for beta 2, if we can find more room before final, we can add it back
[15:16]  * pleia2 makes note for updating websites and info about gnumeric
[15:16] <knome> micahg, pt has less native speakers by far, so it'd be that
[15:16] <knome> micahg, what are the other things we are looking at?
[15:17] <smartboyhw> Yay zh-hans is not deleted...
[15:17] <SkippersBoss> remeber that with the es pt versions you are going to alianate a large group of users
[15:17] <knome> we could cut some slack removing some games
[15:17] <knome> SkippersBoss, well, we already had to drop fr...
[15:17] <micahg> SkippersBoss: i386 still has them
[15:17] <SkippersBoss> I can understand the logic
[15:17] <knome> SkippersBoss, most people fortunately have a decent internet connection, so they're able to download the langpacks
[15:17] <micahg> #Enough room on i386, not enough on amd64:
[15:17] <micahg>  * Languages: xh fr pt
[15:18] <knome> #info Languages that we'll keep for i386 but drop for amd64 to get more space: xh, fr, pt
[15:18] <knome> ok, so is that as easy as that? :P
[15:19] <micahg> yep
[15:19] <knome> ok, great
[15:19] <micahg> if we dropped something else from the default install, we could probably add another language to i386
[15:19] <knome> gnome-sudoku?
[15:19] <micahg> or found another spurious recommends
[15:20]  * micahg takes it knome doesn't like sudoku
[15:20]  * smartboyhw thinks sudoku is ok to be dropped
[15:20] <knome> well i do, but it's less essential than one more language
[15:20] <micahg> yeah, that would do it
[15:20] <knome> and with the current config, we're about 10MB undersized, and that's waste of time
[15:21] <knome> do we have a backlog of what language we would like to reintrodue?
[15:21] <micahg> we might be able to get away with it w/out dropping anything
[15:21] <knome> maybe fi, since it's so widely spoken
[15:21] <knome> ;]
[15:21] <pleia2> lol
[15:21] <micahg> de seems to be it
[15:21] <knome> micahg, i really don't want to be oversized for b2, so i'd rather do that tweaking after b2
[15:21] <SkippersBoss> at least amongs the Xu developers
[15:22] <knome> micahg, unless you're willing to handle the respin requests and stuff
[15:22] <micahg> knome: it doesn't require an upload, so we can flip the bit and see what happens tomorrow
[15:22] <knome> micahg, oh, right, yeah, we have enought time to revert
[15:22] <knome> sounds good
[15:23] <knome> #action micahg to drop 'pt' from amd64 and reintroduce 'de' for i386
[15:23] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to drop 'pt' from amd64 and reintroduce 'de' for i386
[15:23] <knome> #action micahg to make sure i386 doesn't go oversized, and if it goes, drop gnome-sudoku tomorrow before freeze
[15:23] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to make sure i386 doesn't go oversized, and if it goes, drop gnome-sudoku tomorrow before freeze
[15:24] <knome> i believe that's it for the beta 2 prepping altogether!
[15:24] <knome> #subtopic Schedule next meeting
[15:24] <pnarciso> so pt which have a much more userbase is being droped for de?
[15:24] <knome> pnarciso, no.
[15:25] <knome> pnarciso, pt is dropped from amd64, de introduced to i386
[15:25] <smartboyhw> pnarciso: pt is dropped in amd64 and de is introduced in i386
[15:25] <smartboyhw> Or am I wrong?
[15:25] <pnarciso> okok, I read wrong, sorry
[15:25] <knome> pnarciso, we're oversized for amd64, but have a bit extra spae for i386
[15:25] <bluesabre> that was scarily similar, knome & smartboyhw
[15:25] <knome> pnarciso, np, good to have it sorted
[15:25] <knome> bluesabre, :P
[15:26] <smartboyhw> I pressed ënter 1 sec slower than knome, bluesabre you know:(
[15:26] <knome> bluesabre, i believe it is the same than with great minds and idiots - they all think the same
[15:26]  * knome hides
[15:26]  * smartboyhw hides
[15:26]  * smartboyhw thinks knome is saying that he is an idiot:(
[15:26] <knome> hsst, don't take the same hideaway, they'll notice us idiots here
[15:26] <knome> smartboyhw, i was saying we both are, but i was just kidding :P
[15:26]  * bluesabre is king when everyone else hides
[15:27] <smartboyhw> ;P
[15:27] <knome> mostly referring to myself...
[15:27] <knome> so, next meeting
[15:27] <knome> should we have one just before B2 release?
[15:27] <smartboyhw> +1
[15:27] <knome> i will not take "we will not release B2" as an answer, so...
[15:27] <bluesabre> Yeah, who knows what will change at the last minute for us to panic about
[15:28] <smartboyhw> If we don´t have B2 we don´t even HAVE a beta.....
[15:28] <knome> #info Next meeting: September 26th, 15UTC
[15:28] <SkippersBoss> that's not an option
[15:28] <knome> #endmeeting
[15:28] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Sep 19 15:28:18 2012 UTC.  
[15:28] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-09-19-14.56.moin.txt
[15:28] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-09-19-14.56.html
[15:28] <knome> thanks!
[15:28] <bluesabre> yay
[15:28] <knome> i'll update the minutes later
[15:28] <smartboyhw> yay thanks knome
[15:28] <SkippersBoss> H
[15:28] <smartboyhw> bye now gotcha sleep
[15:28] <knome> np
[15:28] <SkippersBoss> THAT WAS A QUICKY
[15:28] <pleia2> I won't be around for the next meeting
[15:28] <SkippersBoss> NITE nite smartboyhw 
[15:28] <SkippersBoss> pleia2, don't say that
[15:29] <knome> pleia2, heh, yeah. TRAITOR!
[15:29] <SkippersBoss> youl b fine in africa
[15:29] <pleia2> I said last week when we scheduled this one that I wouldn't be :P
[15:29] <SkippersBoss> besides there is excelent 3g cover in ghana
[15:29] <pleia2> SkippersBoss: nah, holiday
[15:29] <SkippersBoss> oops
[15:29] <SkippersBoss> sure
[15:29] <pleia2> ghana isn't until October :)
[15:29] <knome> pleia2, well, you can make it up by carrying all my stuff during uds, and taking care of my, eh... hydration
[15:29] <pleia2> lol
[15:30] <SkippersBoss> just realised
[15:30] <knome> :]
[15:30] <knome> SkippersBoss, yes?
[15:30] <SkippersBoss> knome, rub it in
[15:30] <pleia2> I think it's more like your dehydration
[15:30] <knome> lol
[15:30] <knome> i was thinking about the barley-sort
[15:30] <pleia2> yep
[15:30] <knome> :)
[15:30] <knome> well yeah, you're right
[15:31] <knome> SkippersBoss, was there something you just realized? :)
[15:31] <knome> SkippersBoss, or was that about pleia2/ghana/october
[15:32] <SkippersBoss> last thing
[15:32] <knome> sure
[15:32]  * micahg also won't be here for the next meeting
[15:32] <knome> oh, right
[15:32]  * knome is on a misunderstanding-streak
[15:32] <knome> micahg, yeah, i hope there's no need for you to be :)
[15:32] <knome> or else i'll kick the release team in the ankles :)
[15:32] <pleia2> hehe
[15:33] <knome> micahg, btw, something we should get fixed for R: bug 996791
[15:33] <knome> micahg, that has quite high heat
[15:34] <pnarciso> Duplicated drives in thunar and desktop bug is still there
[15:34] <knome> pleia2, how confusing it is that your LP nick is lyz.
[15:34] <pleia2> indeed
[15:35] <micahg> knome: not a xubuntu specific issue (should be fixed upstream ideally)
[15:35] <pleia2> all my email addresses are lyz@ so it has to be that way :)
[15:35] <knome> micahg, yeah, "we should get fixed" :)
[15:37] <knome> pnarciso, # ?
[15:37] <SkippersBoss> need to some boring grownup stuff ((c) Pleia) 
[15:38] <SkippersBoss> CU all l8r
[15:38] <knome> SkippersBoss, see you :)
[15:38] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-r-xubuntu-bugs
[15:39] <knome> go to visit the "gentlemens'"
[15:39] <pnarciso> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1039375
[15:40] <pnarciso> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4/+bug/1044896
[15:44] <pnarciso> a small bug that I detected and reported directly to xfce devs https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9280 , x-chat icon dissapears when I disable the compositor
[15:44] <knome> yeah, that's not for this list :)
[15:47] <pnarciso> do you have any contact with xfce devs? their mailing list is very quiet
[15:47] <knome> #xfce-dev is your best bet, but that's not too good
[15:48] <elfy> knome: which is not for this list - xchat or thunar
[15:48] <knome> i mean, summer was really quiet, but it's starting to be a bit more active again
[15:48] <knome> elfy, xchat
[15:48]  * micahg wants to drop xchat, but no one else seems to agree :)
[15:48] <knome> micahg, maybe for R if we're still struggling with space :)
[15:48] <micahg> well, I'd like to get rid of one of our excess stacks if we can for R
[15:48] <pnarciso> I like x-chat better than pidgin for irc
[15:49] <knome> micahg, well yeah, sure.
[15:57] <elfy> pnarciso: trouble is xchat is not good for anything else :)
[15:57] <elfy> but I agree :)
[16:08] <knome> pidgin is "okay" for irc, if you join now and then, and don't want too complex configuration
[16:14] <Sysi> since you're probably online if you want irc and there's pidgin for emergency live-sessions I think dropping xchat should be considered
[16:14] <elfy> knome: +1 I use it when I'm in and out of live sessions
[16:15] <elfy> and as pidgin can be used for other things - makes sense to drop xchat to me 
[16:15] <knome> yeah, then we also should consider gthumb/ristretto too
[16:16] <elfy> might have been good to consider that prior to the doc change :)
[16:23] <bluesabre> I think pidgin works pretty well for irc, with the exception that you can't set masks and stuff.
[16:23] <bluesabre> For R, I'm in favor of getting rid of gthumb and ristretto, and bringing in shotwell.  It's standalone viewer works like a charm for everything I've thrown at it.
[16:25] <knome> elfy, for R definitely, not for Q
[16:25] <knome> bluesabre, what about CMYK PSD's? ;]
[16:26] <bluesabre> knome: haven't tried that, but since ristretto dies on SVGs, I'd say it doesn't do too well with that
[16:26] <knome> heh :)
[16:28] <Sysi> I like ristretto except for svgs, but I don't need very extensive functionality
[16:28] <knome> i'm thinking the same, anything that shows jpg/png well is fine for me
[16:29] <pnarciso> makes sense
[16:29] <pnarciso> we don't need two photo viewers
[16:31] <pnarciso> ristretto is enough
[16:33] <elfy> depends if you just want a viewer 
[16:33] <elfy> gthumb is enough to do a bit of fiddling with - without installing gimp
[16:34] <Sysi> isn't it needed for importing photos from some cameras too
[16:34] <knome> yeah
[16:34] <elfy> which - ristretto or gthumb
[16:34] <knome> gthumb
[16:34] <elfy> k
[16:34] <knome> those with PTP mode or stf, iirc
[16:35] <elfy> logically it would make sense to me to lose ristretto of the two - but I'm just this guy you know ...
[16:35] <pnarciso> ristretto is part of xfce apps
[16:35] <pnarciso> as it's light
[16:36] <pnarciso> and it's light
[16:37] <elfy> is gnumeric part of xfce apps - cos that's gone ... 
[16:37] <bluesabre> gnumeric is a gnome office app, right?
[16:37] <bluesabre> or
[16:37] <bluesabre> used to be
[16:37] <bluesabre> ;)
[16:37] <elfy> no idea - I just remove it on an install anyway 
[16:37] <bluesabre> does anyone even know about gnome-office now
[16:38] <bluesabre> basically abiword, gnumeric, and dia
[16:38] <knome> not really
[16:38] <knome> most just want libreoffice anyway
[16:38] <elfy> never used any of them in 5 or 6 years bluesabre 
[16:38] <knome> but it would be quite weird to not ship a document editor
[16:38] <elfy> agreed
[16:38] <bluesabre> yeah
[16:39] <knome> being a "part of xfce (apps)" is no argument for inclusion, and gets next to no preference
[16:39] <knome> delivering a feature we need is the most important thing
[16:39] <mips1911> why does the image have to fit on a cd if you don't mind me asking? What's wrong with a 800MB image?
[16:40] <knome> micahg, many of our users still use CDs, we believe.
[16:40] <knome> mips1911, ^
[16:40] <knome> mips1911, sorry, autocomplete fail
[16:40] <knome> micahg, ^
[16:40] <knome> ARGH.
[16:40] <Sysi> if your computer doesn't boot from usb, you don't have one or making one fails
[16:40] <knome> yup.
[16:41] <mips1911> if your computer does not boot from usb it's probably to slow for xubuntu
[16:41] <knome> mips1911, not really, there are a lot of machines that don't boot from usb but are fast enough
[16:41] <Sysi> not really, I have one totally usable like that
[16:41] <Sysi> actually maybe two
[16:41] <knome> and your usb ports might just be broken.
[16:42] <knome> or you didn't have extra usb sticks available
[16:42] <mips1911> Dunno, I have a 2004 laptop here that can boot from usb but it's to slow in my opinion
[16:42] <mips1911> let them eat cake I say :)
[16:42] <knome> mips1911, we're not saying that couldn't happen too
[16:43] <mips1911> even lubuntu is to slow for it
[17:01] <pnarciso> I've noticed the other day that clutter was downloaded as an update, do xubuntu have any apps that needs clutter?
[17:09] <knome> pnarciso, it should be off from today's images.
[18:55] <knome> mr_pouit, hey :)
[20:39] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[20:39] <knome> meeting minutes for today's meeting are up
[20:39] <pleia2> I saw you working with mdke, yay!
[20:39] <knome> yeah
[20:40] <knome> feel free to join us :P
[20:40] <pleia2> also I just died a little inside when I realized I was so excited about documentation
[20:40] <pleia2> :P
[20:40] <knome> awwwh1
[20:40] <knome> hmm
[20:40] <knome> s/1/!/
[20:40] <pleia2> working working
[20:40] <knome> bad excuse miss ;)
[20:40] <pleia2> I fixed a 10 year old php form
[20:40] <pleia2> it was awful :)
[20:41] <knome> i'm sure
[20:41] <knome> i created a "patch" for the ubuntu wiki today :P
[20:41] <knome> italics wasn't italics
[20:41] <knome> need css fix :P
[20:41] <knome> and other similar
[20:42] <pleia2> ah
[20:42] <knome> mmh, fixed window borders in quantal <3
[20:43] <knome> there's still something weird with vbox and dragging with mouse
[20:43] <knome> disabling mouse integration seems to fix it though
[21:51] <knome> pleia2, docs uploaded
[21:52] <pleia2> :D :D
[21:52] <knome> hoo-rahhh
[21:52] <knome> time for a bottle of rum
[21:52] <knome> err..
[21:52] <knome> ;)
[21:54] <pleia2> hehe
[22:28] <knome> pleia2, see #ubuntu-doc 
[22:30] <pleia2> I hate useless lp teams
[22:31] <knome> well, considering our new strategy document, it's not completely useless
[22:31] <knome> since people are promoted as xubuntu team members after probation periods on subteams
[22:32] <pleia2> fair enough
[22:32] <knome> and i don't know if there is any other team that could really "host" documentation contributors
[22:32] <knome> do you have a minute and access to the wiki logs?
[22:33] <pleia2> http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/RecentChanges?max_days=90 has everything
[22:33] <knome> right...
[22:35] <knome> humm, should i be able to browse that?
[22:36] <pleia2> let me do a grep against the log file to get something prettier
[22:36] <knome> somehow, that doesn't look right
[22:36] <knome> thanks
[22:37] <pleia2> heh, of course the raw log files don't have usernames coorelated to edits
[22:37] <knome> heh
[22:37] <pleia2> just user ids, which are x-referenced to the directory with users
[22:38] <knome> lol
[22:38] <knome> hmm, i'll PM
[22:47] <knome> some people have been approved/added to ~xubuntu-doc a moment ago, rejoice
[22:47] <knome> pleia2, bug 967878 ?
[22:49] <knome> mr_pouit, stop lurking. we need a new xubuntu-artwork upload.
[22:50] <pleia2> knome: ah yes, adding to my todo list to think about
[22:51] <knome> pleia2, it's linked to the website blueprint too
[22:51]  * pleia2 nods
[22:51] <knome> i'm thinking we're covering that quite well in "get help & support" and "get involved"
[22:52] <knome> and that anything else would be duplication
[22:52] <knome> those pages are directed to different subsets of people, and once you go to either one, you'll get the contact information you need
[22:52] <knome> (eg. if you need help, we don't want them to subscribe to xubuntu-devel and apply for ~xubuntu-team)
[22:53] <knome> s/them/you/
[22:53] <pleia2> well, you probably have the best idea of what the OP had in mind for this bug :)
[22:53] <knome> we were still working on the wiki and all
[22:53] <pleia2> yeah
[22:53] <knome> maybe we don't need that after all.
[22:53] <pleia2> I think what we have is sufficient
[22:55] <knome> one more work item gone away
[22:56] <knome> AND
[22:56] <knome> we don't have any more time-specific items
[22:56] <knome> except the countdown banners should be up soonish, and so; but nothing affecting freezes
[22:56] <pleia2> we win at blueprints!
[22:56] <knome> haha yeah
[22:57] <knome> looking at the overview of flavors, yeah
[22:57] <knome> lubuntu is second at 53%, we have 92% listed, but have more, because that's before our DONE's today
[22:57] <pleia2> I'm really quite pleased about docs, I had my doubts about timing
[22:57] <knome> haha
[22:57] <knome> don't worry baby, i'm an expert...
[22:57] <pleia2> it was a lot of work, and we didn't have so many volunteers early on
[22:57] <pleia2> :P
[22:58] <knome> well, yeah. fortunately we had people who actually wrote and reviewed stuff
[22:58] <knome> we also needed some docbook conversion madness by knome :P
[22:58] <pleia2> hehe
[22:59] <knome> pleia2, btw
[23:00] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001946.html
[23:00] <pleia2> haha, yeah I saw
[23:00] <knome> yeah...
[23:00] <pleia2> we got it in just in time! ...oh and then they extended it
[23:00] <knome> yep
[23:00]  * pleia2 shakefist
[23:00] <pleia2> :)
[23:01] <knome> well yeah, it's quite sad that if desktop team needs extended time, freezes are simply postponed
[23:01] <pleia2> sad for translators
[23:01] <knome> i thought the freezes were there for everybody to meet deadlines
[23:01] <knome> well yeah, not for xubuntu translators
[23:01] <knome> we won't have translations for Q
[23:01] <knome> we didn't have them before either...
[23:01] <pleia2> someday we shall learn how?
[23:02] <knome> yeah, something to do during the R cycle too
[23:02] <pleia2> that's good
[23:02] <knome> jbicha and mdke can most probably help with that
[23:03] <pleia2> jbicha mentioned on g+ that he is really going to try to get more people involved with docs next cycle, so I hope that means explaining some more to some of us so we can help
[23:03] <knome> hehe
[23:03] <knome> well, everybody told mdke is super busy
[23:03] <knome> and his idle time was 60 days
[23:04] <pleia2> yeah
[23:04] <knome> when i poked him a bit he was just "oh, i just haven't done anything for ubuntu for ages; of course i'll help you, and hopefully i'll get more motivation too for coming cycles"
[23:04] <pleia2> :)
[23:04] <knome> "oh ok"
[23:05] <pleia2> he does hold all the docs keys
[23:05] <pleia2> nice that he's at least pingable
[23:05] <knome> except that he doesn't have upload rights to xubuntu-doc ;]
[23:05] <knome> so that's it for all the keys
[23:05] <pleia2> doh