[00:41] <ball> Are ther other Linux distributions that use Xfce ?
[00:46] <Unit193> Sure, plenty.  Fedora, debian, etc.
[01:05] <ball> Unit193: Thanks.
[01:08] <synaptix> even classic Ubuntu can use XFCE via xubuntu-desktop or installing the xfce4 metapackage
[01:09] <ball> Not sure what the point of that would be, given that Xubuntu ships with it.
[01:09] <ball> Thanks for the data point though.
[01:11] <ball> How is Xubuntu's support for networked printers and scanners?
[01:26] <Unit193> Never tried scanner, but printer worked last I tried.
[01:27] <ball> I may get a chance to try some soon.
[01:27] <ball> (of the larger "office photocopier" variety).
[01:27] <ball> I'll have to pick up a laptop first though.
[02:49] <ramprasadgk> Hey guys i got brand new latest xubuntu on my system
[02:50] <ramprasadgk> it runs like a charm
[02:50] <ramprasadgk> but...
[02:50] <ramprasadgk> i can tfind device drivers on the net
[02:50] <ramprasadgk> can somebody point me where to find my device drivers it is compaq laptop
[02:52] <holstein> ramprasadgk: whats up? is something not working?
[02:52] <ramprasadgk> no
[02:52] <ramprasadgk> my audio n wireless
[02:52] <holstein> you might find a driver here and there, but the drivers are just in the kernels
[02:53] <ramprasadgk> it says wireless device not detected
[02:53] <holstein> ramprasadgk: you should plug the laptop into wired internet and look and see if there are any restricted drivers available
[02:53] <ramprasadgk> yes i will try that
[02:54] <ramprasadgk> one more thing what is xcfe
[02:54] <holstein> XFCE
[02:54] <holstein> !xfce
[02:55] <ramprasadgk> ok xfce
[02:56] <holstein> its the desktop environment... there are plenty...
[02:56] <ramprasadgk> fluxbox is one of them?
[02:56] <holstein> yup.. openbox... LXDE, KDE... etc
[02:57] <ramprasadgk> isnt that window manager
[02:58] <holstein> ramprasadgk: there is a difference, but mostly you will be interested in desktop enviroments... the all in ones
[02:58] <holstein> at least for a while
[02:58] <ramprasadgk> well
[02:59] <ramprasadgk> actually i have a linux server to connect to in which case i use fluxbox
[02:59] <ramprasadgk> where i do not want full desktop
[02:59] <ramprasadgk> for home systemm i use xubuntu
[03:00] <holstein> sure.. i was just expecting you to not know about that since you were asking about XFCE
[03:01] <ramprasadgk> hmm
[03:01] <holstein> i dont think you'll argue that setting up and using fluxbox is a bit more advanced than using xubuntu
[03:01] <ramprasadgk> No it isnt
[03:02] <ramprasadgk> actually i got xubuntu pretty neat
[03:02] <ramprasadgk> till my wireless and audio fail to work
[03:02] <holstein> ramprasadgk: cool... its just my opinion from setting up fluxbox years ago, using openbox, LXDE, XFCE, and unity,a nd trying KDE and mate and cinammon and lots of others
[03:03] <holstein> ramprasadgk: i found fluxbox a bit more "advanced" to configure than XFCE is out of the box
[03:03] <holstein> but, again.. thats just me.. what can i help you with?
[03:04] <ramprasadgk> well, it depends
[03:04] <ramprasadgk> now my biggest problem is getting my wireless working on my compaq laptop
[03:04] <holstein> for sound, i usually refer to the wiki
[03:05] <ramprasadgk> with xubuntu
[03:05] <holstein> open a terminal and run aplay -l and/or arecord -l
[03:05] <holstein> run alsamixer and make sure you try tweaking everything
[03:05] <holstein> make sure its not something easy like the output is muted in the GUI
[03:05] <ramprasadgk> ok
[03:06] <holstein> ramprasadgk: i would run lspci, and see what chipset your wifi device has and i can steer you in the right direction
[03:06] <holstein> lspci or lsusb
[03:07] <ramprasadgk> let me do that
[03:09] <ramprasadgk> N10/ICH 7
[03:09] <ramprasadgk> Intel
[03:09] <ramprasadgk> audio
[03:10] <holstein> hhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[03:11] <holstein> !paste | ramprasadgk
[03:12] <holstein> i agree with http://askubuntu.com/questions/103611/no-sound-with-a-n10-ich-7-audio-controller and might just install pavucontrol
[03:13] <holstein> just choose what you want to work on, and we'll just knock it out.. whenever you get tine
[03:13] <holstein> im in a power outage and just wasting time anyways.. but i will be off when the batteries fail
[03:20] <ramprasadgk> ok
[03:29] <Deutopia> pavucontrol fixed and issue with ich10 sound for me
[03:30] <Deutopia> jack fixed it comming out of the wrong output
[03:33] <ramprasadgk> Kudos guys
[03:33] <ramprasadgk> I FIXED IT
[03:34] <ramprasadgk> with the help of troubleshooting guide
[03:34] <ramprasadgk> thanks a tonne
[03:34] <ramprasadgk> SOUND IS OK now
[03:34] <ramprasadgk> wireless is NOT but :(
[03:39] <Deutopia> then what good is it  :P
[03:41] <ramprasadgk> :)
[03:41] <ramprasadgk> atleast i can watch my archived movies
[03:42] <xubuntu557> hello, i'm new to all of this and am looking for some help
[03:43] <xubuntu557> I have some sort of nasty virus (or something) and am trying to just delete everything and use ubuntu
[03:44] <xubuntu557> anyone there?
[03:48] <ramprasadgk> wireless help :) needed
[03:52] <xubuntu557> sorry, anyone else still around?
[04:00] <Deutopia> hiya
[04:01] <Deutopia> we can help you install ubuntu. what have you done so far (where are we?)
[04:09] <Deutopia> guess he figured it out?
[04:27] <holstein> i think most folks have issues with these chipsets ramprasadgk , so i'll link this for you
[04:27] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[05:28] <ramprasadgk> ok thanks holstein
[07:37] <adores> Hello guys. I want to switch from Ubuntu 10.10 to Xubuntu becuz my GPU has 32MB and everything is so slowly and painfully. I want to ask you does Xubuntu offer same terminal commands as Ubuntu, I mean : sudo dpkg -i test.deb and etc... ?
[07:37] <koegs> adores: everything is "the same", xubuntu is using the same base-version of ubuntu just with xfce as default session
[07:38] <adores> Okay, thank you !
[08:43] <ablomen> Hmm this is weird.. since yesterday, all .php files have flash icons in thunar, has anybody else noticed this?
[08:50] <Sysi> ablomen: default icon theme?
[08:50] <ablomen> ehm i think so lemme check
[08:50] <ablomen> elementary Xubuntu dark
[08:52] <ablomen> Sysi, though i just remembered, i am using the xubuntu-dev 4.10 PPA version of xfce, so that might have something to do with it, so i guess this is the wrong place to ask
[08:55] <ablomen> hmm yeah when I use "elementary dark" (without the Xubuntu part) everything seems fine
[09:08] <Deutopia> not happening here
[09:09] <knome> ablomen, if it's precise, i doubt it has anything to do with xubuntu (i might be wrong though)
[09:16] <longwuyuan> hi, can someone point me to the docs for 1laptop+1monitor extended screen config
[09:16] <longwuyuan> default install is giving me clone on laptop & monitor
[09:16] <Sysi> use arandr
[09:17] <longwuyuan> for safety sake ..  it this documented anywhere
[09:18] <longwuyuan> and i will read about arandr now
[09:22] <longwuyuan> installed arandr ... i get to save output any way to test all this. i am in office
[09:22] <longwuyuan> :-D heaven
[09:22] <longwuyuan> i just hit apply and wonder :-)
[09:22] <longwuyuan> thanks tons Sysi
[09:30] <ablomen> knome, sorry was out for a few minutes, yeah i guess it's one of the ppa's i am using, other icon packs work, so all is well
[09:48] <ramprasadgk> hi
[09:49] <ramprasadgk> while i try to install brodcom driver
[09:49] <ramprasadgk> sudo b43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o
[09:49] <ramprasadgk> it says file has an unknown MD5 sum
[09:49] <ramprasadgk> any help?
[10:21] <recon_tv> Hi all, think I'v decided to buy a Acer Aspire V3-571 3rd Gen Core i5 , main conserns are the intel HD 4000 integrated graphics and the wifi card, I have the option of adding a Nvidia GeForce GT 640M if the graphics are a problem ( at least I hope i can add the video card), and a dongle for wifi if it's still having problems. any comments?
[10:29] <TheSheep> recon_tv: I have a laptop with intel HD 4000 and it works fine
[10:29] <TheSheep> recon_tv: I was even surprised that it supports two external monitors connected at once
[10:30] <olbi> take only Intel, because gpu switch still is crappy
[10:30] <olbi> only good working app is Bumblebee
[10:30] <TheSheep> it works though
[10:31] <TheSheep> not perfect, but still gives some speedup
[10:31] <recon_tv> all sounding good, getting ready to produce the CC =-O
[10:31] <olbi> I wonder, why Intel doesn't make a Intel Drivers Center, like nVidia and AMD :D
[10:32] <recon_tv> wonders why intel did not just buy nVidia
[10:32] <olbi> when AMD bought ATI, earlier it could be nVidia :D
[10:33] <olbi> but CEO could not come to an agreement
[10:33] <olbi> which should be leader :P
[10:34] <recon_tv> anyway, going to buy this laptop, could spend forever looking at all this stuff and i want a computer :-D
[10:34] <recon_tv> hopefully before the end of the week
[10:34] <olbi> AMD with integrated nVidia chip in CPU - so beatiful dream :)
[10:34] <TheSheep> olbi: because Intel's drivers are just included in the kernel
[10:35] <TheSheep> olbi: no need to install them separately
[10:35] <olbi> but app still could be there to install :) for basic options
[10:35] <TheSheep> olbi: all the options are provided by the standard linux tools
[10:35] <TheSheep> olbi: it's just nicely integrated with the rest of the system
[10:36] <Sysi> nvidia supports some of those functions nowdays
[10:36] <TheSheep> poorly
[10:36] <olbi> yeah, show me app which is display actually temp of Intel GPU :]
[10:37] <TheSheep> olbi: cat
[10:37] <TheSheep> olbi: which means you can display it with a panel plugin
[10:37] <olbi> TheSheep: you mean terminal cat?:P
[10:37] <recon_tv> hmm, is a rescue dvd worth 18euro, or can i make my own with a nice app on a live usb?
[10:38] <TheSheep> olbi: yes
[10:38] <TheSheep> olbi: it's somewhere in /proc
[10:38] <TheSheep> olbi: you just look it up in the docs
[10:38] <TheSheep> recon_tv: you can make your own
[10:38] <ramprasadgk> ~$ tar xfvj broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5.tar.bz2 ~$ sudo b43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o ~$ sudo b43-fwcutter --unsupported -w /lib/firmware broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5/driver/wl_apsta_mimo.o
[10:39] <ramprasadgk> in the second step it says unknown MD5 sum
[10:40] <ramprasadgk> what is the best way to install this firmware
[10:50] <recon_tv> ok done, 540 notes lighter but hopefully a decent laptop that will last as long as the last one
[10:51] <recon_tv> got a bag to put it in too :)
[10:51] <mips1911> what did you buy?
[10:52] <recon_tv> O, how you ask, Not telling you incase you know it's a bad buy :P
[10:52] <mips1911> lol, it's a bad buy
[10:53] <recon_tv> well, got 5 years out of my last one, so here hoping
[10:54] <mips1911> so what was it then
[10:54] <recon_tv> mips1911: it's a Acer Aspire V3-571 3rd Gen Core i5
[10:54] <mips1911> 540 dollars, pound euros ?
[10:55] <recon_tv> mips1911: it's 510eu including delivery
[10:56] <mips1911> http://www.acer.co.uk/ac/en/GB/content/model/NX.RYFEK.005
[10:56] <mips1911> price seems ok
[10:58] <recon_tv> was considering the extended warranty, but it excluded accidental damage so did not seem worth it
[10:58] <mips1911> looks like it also comes with a Win8 upgrade offer :p
[11:00] <recon_tv> If MS actually offered a proper install cd/dvd i'd consider it, but they won't
[11:01] <recon_tv> but have not had a partition corrupted win any form of windows since 2006
[11:01] <recon_tv> with windows in *
[11:01] <mips1911> you can always download the iso and burn your own
[11:02] <recon_tv> mips1911: I would be suprised, the normal is you have to have in 7 installed before you can apply the "upgrade" total cluster f'k
[11:03] <knome> recon_tv, please watch the language.
[11:03] <knome> also, #xubuntu-offtopic
[11:03] <mips1911> ok
[11:03] <recon_tv> sry, just stuff like that make my blood boil
[11:04] <knome> recon_tv, you know that's not an excuse for an adult :)
[11:04] <recon_tv> :-[
[11:05] <knome> but np. just make sure it doesn't happen again :)
[11:05] <olbi> who will be at FOSDEM 2013 from Xubuntu Team?
[11:06] <TheSheep> olbi: there is #xubuntu-offtopic for non-support chat
[11:06] <olbi> sorry
[11:06] <TheSheep> no problem :)
[11:07] <recon_tv> anyone else have shoutcasts keep playing after they close the app thats playing them ?
[11:08] <Sysi> sounds like app isn't really closed
[11:09] <recon_tv> true, I can find them using system monitor and close them, but their windows are gone.
[11:09] <recon_tv> get thins in netscape and rythmbox
[11:22] <Deutopia> dragonplayer does that to me
[12:30] <recon_tv> hi, anyone know how to find a network printer using cups, cant remember the ip address it's setup on.
[13:01] <holstein> ramprasadgk: i would try the other one. sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer or the legacy one if needed
[13:24] <ramprasadgk> hey guys where do i download vlc media player for xubuntu
[13:25] <Sysi> software center
[13:25] <holstein> ramprasadgk: i would just get it from the repos.. i would open the package manager of you choice and search VLC
[13:25] <holstein> !vlc
[13:29] <ramprasadgk> i dont have repo
[13:29] <ramprasadgk> link is needed
[13:30] <Pici> ramprasadgk: its in universe, you should just be able to install it without adding any repos.
[14:31] <sdh> when i log into my xubuntu 12.04 64-bit box, it takes about a minute for the desktop icons and panels to appear
[14:31] <sdh> anybody seen that before?
[14:31] <sdh> i can't find anything on google and if i can't fix it i will have to try something else :(
[14:32] <torax> tell a bit about what kind of hardware you have
[14:33] <sdh> thinkpad x201
[14:33] <sdh> it's an i5 chip, 8gb ram, 256gb ssd
[14:33] <sdh> intel embedded graphics if i recall
[14:33] <sdh> nothing special
[14:34] <torax> and plain xubuntu, nothing fancy installed?
[14:35] <Sysi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/+bug/996791
[14:35] <sdh> interesting Sysi thanks, let me take a look
[14:35] <sdh> torax: yeah
[14:36] <sdh> Sysi: i didn't see that, probably because it is so slow that i was googling for "xubuntu blank desktop" rather than slow login
[14:40] <holstein> ramprasadgk: you just open a package manager and search... vlc is in the default repos that xubuntu/ubuntu comes configured with
[14:42] <holstein> http://www.noobslab.com/2012/03/install-vlc-201-on-ubuntu-1204.html ..except, you shouldnt need to add that ppa unless you want the latest and greatest
[14:42] <holstein> i would just open the software center as Sysi suggested, and search "vlc" as i suggested and install, and enjoy :)
[14:42] <sdh> Sysi: incredible that that bug is still unassigned
[15:04] <|Anthony|> why does lightdm automatically use -sharevts and -novtswitch when it launches X
[15:07] <josy1982> hello?
[15:09] <holstein> josy1982: hey.. feel free and just ask if you need help
[15:09] <holstein> |Anthony|: if there is an issue, i would just file a bug so the issue is officially logged
[15:12] <|Anthony|> holstein, i don't know if its a bug or an intentional thing
[15:12] <|Anthony|> which is what i'm asking
[15:13] <|Anthony|> i can't imagine that it is doing it without some specific direction in the code somewhere
[15:13] <holstein> |Anthony|: if its breaking something for you, i would file, so its logged
[15:14] <|Anthony|> pft... there are bugs filed regarding multiseat setups that are 4 and 5 months old. both of which are still of "undecided" importance
[15:14] <|Anthony|> lol
[15:16] <holstein> its not a perfect system, but it is the best way to get the information out and logged... multiseat is not shipped by defaul either... the core apps are usually looked at more closely AFAIK
[15:18] <|Anthony|> what do you mean "not shipped by default"
[15:18] <|Anthony|> the [seat:n] section is built in to the config file
[15:18] <holstein> |Anthony|: AFAIK, ubuntu/xubuntu doesnt ship with the intention of providing multiseat support
[15:18] <|Anthony|> ah
[15:19] <|Anthony|> yes, it is a struggle to set it up
[15:19] <holstein> again, im not saying its "right" im just saying why maybe the multiseat bugs might not be top priority
[15:19] <|Anthony|> i'm sure they are not
[15:21] <holstein> |Anthony|: you mind if a query you for a minute about multiseat?
[15:21] <|Anthony|> sure
[15:21] <|Anthony|> fire away
[15:24] <josy1982> hello i wan to try xubuntu i have the live cd. If i boot from live cd screen wents black or with mixed color screen and reboots automatically or just hangs what can i do?
[15:26] <torax> josy1982: tell me a bit abour the hardware you are running
[15:29] <josy1982> it's a new computer . Graphics amd radeon 6670, 8 GB DDR3, 500GB HDD Sata2, Quad CPU AMD Athlon II 4x 2,6 GHz
[15:31] <SkippersBoss> what's the graphics chip
[15:38] <Tsavo> amd radeon 6670
[15:42] <torax> Well it sounds like trouble with graphic card
[15:42] <josy1982> nobody an idea?
[15:43] <josy1982> and what can i do?
[15:43] <torax> one moment
[15:46] <bazhang> josy1982, try the nomodeset option
[15:46] <bazhang> !nomodeset | josy1982
[15:48] <josy1982> thank you i go to ty
[15:58]  * ball burns a Xubuntu 12.04 i386 CD
[19:09] <bluphenix316> hey is there a way to make Xubuntu's display manager look like the one from ubuntu?
[19:09] <Unit193> What's the one from Ubuntu look like?
[19:10] <bluphenix316> It doesn't show a window for username and password, instead its on the left hand side of the screen
[19:10] <bluphenix316> i know it uses lightdm just like ubuntu but it looks different
[19:11] <bluphenix316> maybe its just the one i'm using. i'm not acutally using stock xubuntu, i'm using voyager
[19:12] <peripetie> yep :)
[19:13] <Sysi> bluphenix316: install that greeter
[19:14] <bluphenix316> Sysi: ok thanks
[19:15] <Sysi> !info lightdm-webkit-greeter
[19:16] <Sysi> I think it's that one
[19:16] <bluphenix316> hmm I installed the unity-greeter, maybe i shouldn't have
[19:16] <bluphenix316> hehe
[19:16] <bluphenix316> let me see
[19:21] <Unit193> Sysi: Unity greeter, thought he was talking about the Display in Settings Manager.
[19:38] <uskerine> hi, xubuntu live cd (using pendrive) stop working, i am stuck at login screen (it never appeared before), at console level i am logged in as xubuntu user
[19:38] <uskerine> any ideas?
[19:39] <torax> most of problems with pendrive that I had was due corrupted media
[19:41] <xubuntu651> hello. Why xubuntu dont install grub ?
[19:44] <SkippersBoss> xubuntu651,  Are you installing xubuntu via Wubi ?
[19:57] <nah> I am trying to use xubuntu from usb
[19:57] <nah> but it won't do anything
[19:57] <nah> the laptop does not have a battery attached
[20:04] <penreturns> does the xubuntu boot?
[20:04] <nah> tes
[20:04] <nah> yes
[20:05] <penreturns> so u choose try or install?
[20:05] <nah> no RUN Xubuntu from this.....
[20:06] <nah> usb
[20:06] <nah> 12.04
[20:07] <nah> built on 20120817.3
[20:07] <penreturns> hv u create live usb for that and setting bios to boot from usb?
[20:08] <nah> yes
[20:08] <penreturns> are u sure the iso file is not corrupt?
[20:08] <nah> no
[20:09] <penreturns> try burn into cd n boot from cd. or else u need to download it back
[20:09] <nah> but I used the iso on to install Xubuntu on USB and formated the USB and installed from same image
[20:11] <recon_lap> nah, the usb does the install, you only use the iso to create the live usb
[20:17] <recon_lap> nat , you probably erased the install data off your usb before the install had really started, thus it failed
[20:23] <penreturns> did u just copy the iso file to usb?
[20:24] <nah> no I used pendrive
[20:26] <penreturns> yeah i mean did u just copy the iso to ur pendrive?
[20:26] <recon_lap> nah, no, you install the iso on the pendrive
[20:27] <nah> I sude universal USB installer 1.9.0.9
[20:27] <recon_lap> then boot using the pen drive and install xubuntu, DO not format the pen drive
[20:27] <nah> can you install wine and run windows 32 aplications?
[20:28] <recon_lap> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[20:28] <penreturns> yes but not all application support
[20:29] <penreturns> if u want to install xubuntu on pendrive, why not make Live USB with  persistence
[20:30] <recon_lap> nah, you can try make a dual boot system, which mean you will have both windows and xubuntu, you pick which one you want to use at boot, or you can install a program called wine which emulates windows with varying levels of success. there are other options but thoses are complicated enough
[20:31] <recon_lap> thoses are/these are*
[20:37] <recon_lap> crap, payment issue with my new laptop. I'll have to called them tomorrow
[20:40] <recon_lap> wonders what nah is doing to his pendrive  :)
[20:47] <penreturns> hehehehe
[21:08] <xubuntu186> hi all
[21:10] <recon_lap> that was a short visit
[21:13] <newcomer> Is there an Xubuntu build for ARM processors?
[21:16] <recon_lap> newcomer: I guess there is. do you need a special build though?
[21:17] <newcomer> no
[21:17] <newcomer> Just a generic ARM build.
[21:22] <recon_lap> newcomer: guess I'm wrong, have not used ARM so not knowledgeable.
[21:22] <newcomer> There's an Ubuntu one though.
[21:22] <newcomer> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/arm
[21:23] <recon_lap> newcomer: don't see one on the xubuntu site. thats where it'd be if it was supported
[21:24] <recon_lap> you could maybe load a headless ubuntu and then load xfce on it, not sure how close that would get you to xubuntu though
[21:24] <recon_lap> or if it would even work :)
[21:25] <newcomer> A friend of mine who's new to GNU/Linux has an "Andriod PC" with ARM processor and would like to use it as an HTPC.
[21:26] <newcomer> I recommended Xubuntu + XMBC before knowing it had an ARM processor.
[21:28] <newcomer> He's thinking of installing Debian on it. Which is good, since Debian has best architecture support of all distros.
[21:29] <recon_lap> newcomer: probably the best idea, it's the basis of ubuntu and xubuntu. they just very slow adopting new things
[21:42] <recon_lap> newcomer: never mind :-[
[21:42] <recon_lap> newcomer: not sure about passing th id if it's auto increment
[21:44] <recon_lap> newcomer: sorry wrong channel
[21:44] <newcomer> recon_lap, lol
[21:44] <newcomer> no problem.
[23:03] <pavel_> Hello
[23:04] <pavel_> Does anyone know how to change the port settings for the software updates? I am behind a firewall.
[23:07] <TheSheep> pavel_: software updates are done through http
[23:08] <TheSheep> pavel_: you can configure a proxy if you need
[23:09] <pavel_> Thank you I configure the proxy and internet works fine but i believe the update is being blocked. I read on some earlier forums that updates use port 88. I tried their method of changing but no results.
[23:10] <TheSheep> first thing I hear about port 8 :/
[23:10] <TheSheep> 88
[23:11] <pavel_> Ok well I appreciate the response Thanks alot