[00:16] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1053166] 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu1 ftbfs on armel/armhf @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1053166 (by Matthias Klose)
[02:32] <ScottK> Riddell: Approved.
[03:24] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1022479] bzr crashed with SIGSEGV in QGtkStyle::drawComplexControl() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1022479 (by Logan Rosen)
[03:50] <ScottK> debfx: They went ahead and did the Ubuntu medium font thing anyway, despite my protests.  Can you verify it's still an actual problem?
[03:50] <ScottK> sabdfl directed, so I think it
[03:50] <ScottK> is unlikely to get changed.
[03:50] <ScottK> If it's still a problem we can just switch our default fonts back to match upstream, I guess.
[08:45] <soee> skype belongs to ms now ?
[09:00] <jussi> soee: welcome to the past... been that way for a good while aready
[09:01] <soee> i knew it and now they want to kill my desktop :)
[09:01] <jussi> :D
[09:02] <soee> its not funny :/ everytime some notification shows up from skype plasma gets restart :<>
[09:03] <soee> this must be self defense against skype i think :o
[09:13] <debfx> ScottK: it's still a problem
[09:14] <debfx> ScottK: however when you manually change font settings kde generates a fontconfig file that seems to fix it as a side effect
[09:15] <debfx> generating that file in the first place is however a bug in KDE, see https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105797
[09:15] <ubottu> KDE bug 105797 in kcm_fonts "Changing fonts from Kcontrol will enable hinting and make it default. All this information it writes to ~/.fonts.conf" [Normal,New]
[09:20] <Riddell> so a bug is fixing another bug?
[09:31] <debfx> now the Ubuntu font is used in firefox. I'm confused
[11:07] <Riddell> debfx: hmm that is curious
[11:55] <mparillo> ScottK: Sorry your protests had little effect. Does that mean Riddell needs to send the shirts back to have their fonts changed ;-)
[11:56] <Riddell> :)
[11:59] <Riddell> agateau: did you request your flights?
[12:05] <agateau> Riddell: not yet
[12:05] <agateau> Riddell: doing it this afternoon
[12:37] <ScottK> Riddell and debfx : How about we just switch back to the upstream fonts for default?
[12:43] <Riddell> ScottK: seems like an option, just use the system defaults instead of overrideing them to Ubuntu
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:01] <ScottK> Riddell: We switched to the Ubuntu font on a KC vote, so we probably ought to ask again.
[13:35] <ScottK> JontheEchidna, apachelogger , Darkwing , jussi: Since the Ubuntu fonts are now broken with KDE (always bold unless you manually monkey with the configuration) do you have any objection to switching back to the regular upstream KDE fonts and dropping the Ubuntu font override?
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> no objections here
[13:36] <ScottK> Thanks.
[13:37] <ScottK> BTW, I don't think this is actually a KDE bug, since Ubuntu One has the problem too.
[13:41] <Riddell> it's a Qt bug
[13:43] <jussi> so wait, we want to change the ont back temporarily or permanently? 
[13:43] <jussi> font*
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> If it gets fixed I'd also not object to switching back
[13:45] <jussi> Yes, thats my stance also, until the bug is fixed, absolutely go ahead, f we find a fix, we switch back.
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> the original ticket has been reopened, and has a fairly good description of the actual issue: bug 744812
[13:45] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 744812 in ubuntu-font-family-sources (Ubuntu Quantal) "FontConfig/Qt stack choke on Ubuntu Medium font meta-data (No medium in Inkscape and too bold in Qt apps)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744812
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> it's also being tracked for 12.10
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> I'm off to go get breakfast and study for a calculus exam, bbl
[13:46] <jussi> JontheEchidna: good luck
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[13:52]  * ScottK notes 4 is a majority.
[13:53] <ScottK> Riddell: So it's just a matter of dropping the overrides in share/config/kdeglobals, right?
[13:55] <Riddell> ScottK: yeah I think so
[13:55] <ScottK> OK.  Let's try that.
[13:56] <ScottK> Done.
[14:22] <Blizzz> will owncloud client 1.0.5 hit Quantzal? in 1.0.4 is a bug that makes it unusable via SSL
[14:22] <mparillo> Not that I am a voter, but I agree on the font direction. I ended up in Ubuntu because it has much better font displays out of the box than any other distribution. Is that because of the Ubuntu Font Family, or some other setting being set by default. For example to make OpenSuSE come close, I had to enable anti-alisaing and twiddle the settings there, and it still was not as nice as Ubuntu / Kubuntu are.
[14:28] <Riddell> Blizzz: hmm, good question
[14:32] <Blizzz> Riddell: i'd say it's quite an important thing, as no one should transfer credentials plain text through the web
[14:53] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion owncloud-client 1.0.5
[14:53] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1053449
[15:03] <afiestas> updating a quantal installation from a few weeks ago
[15:04] <afiestas> failed, blackscreen and tty are not working
[15:04] <shadeslayer> so ... it seems I've now officially passed my B.Tech \o/
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[15:06] <yofel> shadeslayer: great news, congratulations :)
[15:06] <shadeslayer> thx :)
[15:07] <mparillo> afiestas: I had a similar symptom (not black screen, but blank screen with the default KDE SC 4.9 wall paper). I resolved by getting a new daily ISO on 2012-09-18. It has not re-surfaced.
[15:17] <tsdgeos> afiestas: tty's work here, not sure wha you mean with blackscreen
[15:19] <afiestas> tsdgeos: it boots, I see nothing
[15:19] <afiestas> that's what I mean
[15:19] <tsdgeos> doh
[15:19] <tsdgeos> suxxors
[15:19] <afiestas> actually the screenis turned off, not ven thebacklight
[15:19] <afiestas> tty's may work, but I dont' see them xd
[15:20] <afiestas> ssh works though
[15:20] <tsdgeos> afiestas: bring it to uds and show it to someoone of the kernel team
[15:20] <afiestas> quite sure it is some update issue
[15:29] <shadeslayer> hm, would KMyMoney make a good candidate for -updates?
[15:29] <genii-around> Should recorditnow be able to record switching workspaces with the cube?
[15:29] <shadeslayer> maybe
[15:36] <debfx> any ideas what this armel build failure is about:
[15:36] <debfx> /build/buildd/qt4-x11-4.8.3+dfsg/src/gui/widgets/qdockwidget.cpp:1184:(.text+0x39ec): dangerous relocation: unsupported relocation
[15:39] <shadeslayer> darn it, I saw this really cool code search engine yesterday and I've completely blanked on it's name
[15:41] <shadeslayer> http://code.woboq.org/ < for anyone else who's interested
[15:42] <shadeslayer> uh
[15:42] <shadeslayer> http://code.woboq.org/kde/qt4/src/gui/widgets/qdockwidget.cpp.html#1184
[15:42] <shadeslayer> is a comment
[15:42] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:30] <Darkwing> ScottK: No objections here.
[17:30] <Darkwing> ScottK: RE font
[17:49] <shadeslayer> SteveRiley: ok, let me phrase it this way, how hard is it for a user to pin a selected package using muon?
[17:50] <shadeslayer> and should we document pinning the package on the PPA page?
[17:55] <yofel> it's easy to force a version with muon, and IIRC think that pins the package too while at it (could be wrong though)
[17:56] <yofel> documenting it would be a good idea though. Users don't normally use muon
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> If the currently-installed version is the one you want to pin, all you have to do is right-click the package in the package view and hit "lock package at current version", and it takes care of the pinning APT-wide
[18:00] <JontheEchidna> Muon also has the capability to specify specific versions (effectively a downgrade), but it does not pin the package at the version.
[18:01] <yofel> ah ok, thanks
[18:22] <shadeslayer> oh hmm
[18:22] <shadeslayer> so you can downgrade, but not pin
[18:22] <shadeslayer> argh
[18:22] <shadeslayer> you can downgrade and *then* pin
[18:28]  * shadeslayer rages at uni for making a site in .net
[18:28] <shadeslayer> it keeps showing the loading button ... and it's been like that for the last 2 hours :P
[18:34] <apachelogger> rationale for not having firefox-kde btw: unnecessary security risky as we do not have releases the same day as youbuntoo
[18:35] <shadeslayer> best to document that on the dev mL
[18:35] <apachelogger> feel free to do so
[18:35] <shadeslayer> and apachelogger should update the package :P
[18:35]  * apachelogger is not in a mail mood
[18:35] <shadeslayer> ok
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