[10:06] <homero> hey guysss
[16:02] <tumbleweed> MOTU Meeting o Clock
[16:03] <tumbleweed> we didn't pick a chair last time (oops)
[16:04] <tumbleweed> and dholbach has gone
[16:06] <tumbleweed> anyone else here?
[16:06] <jtaylor> <
[16:08] <micahg> o/
[16:08] <tumbleweed> I guess I'm chairing again :)
[16:08] <tumbleweed> #startmeeting Weekly MOTU Meeting
[16:08] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Sep 20 16:08:49 2012 UTC.  The chair is tumbleweed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:09] <tumbleweed> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings
[16:09] <tumbleweed> (nothing new, that I see)
[16:09]  * micahg has somethin
[16:09] <tumbleweed> \o/
[16:09] <tumbleweed> #topic Review of previous action items
[16:10] <tumbleweed> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings/2012-09-06
[16:10] <tumbleweed> #subtopic Killing off sqlite 2 (src:sqlite)
[16:10] <tumbleweed> xnox: you had an action item
[16:10] <tumbleweed> micahg: is this your something?
[16:10] <micahg> tumbleweed: no, although that one is looking more like a pipe dream ATM...
[16:11] <tumbleweed> yeah
[16:11]  * micahg thinks he'd be tarred and feathered if he dropped asterisk...
[16:11] <tumbleweed> hehe
[16:12] <tumbleweed> well, that's it for the previous action items
[16:12] <tumbleweed> micahg: what's your topic?
[16:12] <micahg> RC bugs in Ubuntu
[16:12] <tumbleweed> #topic RC bugs in Ubuntu
[16:12] <tumbleweed> micahg: all yours
[16:12] <tumbleweed> (the bugs too, if you want)
[16:13] <micahg> we have a new wiki page explaining RC bug targeting
[16:13] <micahg> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RCBugTargetting
[16:13] <xnox> tumbleweed: yes. I have updates =)
[16:14] <micahg> so, while in the past we've tried to keep up with RC bugs in Debian, we have our own as well that should be addressed
[16:14] <xnox> tumbleweed: poke me, when we can come back to that topic.
[16:14] <micahg> once the RC bugs are triaged by the release team, if they're targeted, they end up on this report
[16:14] <micahg> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[16:14] <micahg> there's a universe section there that we should keep an eye on
[16:15] <tumbleweed> indeed, we should
[16:15] <micahg> also, I've heard that some bugs have ended up on the wrong list and been marked rls-q-notfixing, we should probably review the bugs with that tag for any relevant universe bugs and make sure they're triaged appropriately
[16:16] <micahg> we should also think about if we want to drop packages with outstanding RC bugs before release (or try to SRU them shortly thereafter)
[16:16] <micahg> with a more active backports team now, dropped packages seem like less of an issue
[16:16] <tumbleweed> I don't think there's much point in dropping packages until we start using that a lot more actively
[16:17] <tumbleweed> otherwise it penalizes packages that have people paying attention to them
[16:17] <micahg> well, ideally, we'd try to fix the issues
[16:17] <tumbleweed> so we should add reviewing that list as a standing agenda item
[16:18] <tumbleweed> (and with my release team hat on, I should pay slightly more attention to bug targetting)
[16:18] <micahg> I had a WI to write criteria for dropping packages from multiverse/universe, I think it should be similar to Debian, RC bug open for 6 mo w/no attention (and I would think a dead/inactive upstream)
[16:19] <tumbleweed> I can add something looking for these rc tagged bugs to http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~stefanor/ubuntu-neglected-packages/
[16:19] <micahg> that's the testing drop criteria AIUI, but since we have no equivalent of unstable where packages can hide and not be released, I think we're forced to drop
[16:20] <micahg> well, RC is targeted + High/Critical importance
[16:20] <jtaylor> dropping will not really help for upgrades
[16:20] <jtaylor> so we still are likely to get complaints about the removed packages
[16:20] <micahg> jtaylor: true, people are stuck with the old version of the package, but if it gets fixed later and backported, they could get an upgrade
[16:20] <tumbleweed> I thought the upgrader removed removed packages?
[16:20] <micahg> it offers to
[16:23] <tumbleweed> done with this topic?
[16:23] <micahg> yeah, I think so
[16:23] <tumbleweed> #topic Killing off sqlite 2 (src:sqlite)
[16:23] <tumbleweed> xnox:
[16:24] <xnox> yeah. About GPE - it's a GTK based desktop envrionment target at small-screen device, e.g. phones.
[16:24] <xnox> it's quite dated and on life support.
[16:24] <tumbleweed> but on enough life support that people want it in Debian?
[16:24] <xnox> after talking to upstream, they ported it from GTK+ 2 -> 3 and Sqlite 2 -> 3
[16:25] <tumbleweed> oh, that sounds fairly alive
[16:25] <xnox> very rapidly. After like years on inactivity....
[16:25] <xnox> maybe just waiting for a kick =)
[16:25] <xnox> it has popcon 0
[16:25] <tumbleweed> still, we might have to wait a while for a new upstream release with these ports?
[16:25] <xnox> gtk3/sqlite3 is not release nor fully working yet.
[16:25] <micahg> awesome, can we get Debian to update?
[16:25] <micahg> oh :*
[16:26] <jtaylor> we could drop just drop it, it can come back later
[16:26] <tumbleweed> but there's still more to drop before sqlite can go, right?
[16:26] <jtaylor> assumings its the only sqlite2 blocker
[16:26] <xnox> Debian maintainer said in private mail that killing sqlite2 is a bit pointless, ubuntu is not embedding friendly anyway and generally doesn't mind if ubuntu drops GPE and will not recommend upstream to port to newer API/ABI
[16:27] <tumbleweed> so, we can just not block on gpe
[16:27] <xnox> i would like to recommend dropping those 14 package (gpe related)
[16:28] <micahg> yeah, I'd be for that if they're the last bastions of sqlite2 in the archive
[16:28] <xnox> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak2xRmRUt6S4dHZfZWdhbVdiMl9HbWRHazNfOFM1aWc
[16:28] <xnox> I started marking stuff.
[16:28] <xnox> gambas2/3 is a programming language with sqlite2&3 binding -> drop sqlite2 bindings
[16:29] <xnox> (packages)
[16:29] <xnox> the new asterisk has all modules ported to sqlite3, so we'd just drop sqlite2 modules.
[16:30] <micahg> xnox: are there concerns with upgrades losing data or are the plugins smart enough to handle that?
[16:30] <xnox> that leaves chasing up csync2, kannel, qof, qsf, sqliteodbs and teleport (6)
[16:30] <xnox> micahg: plugins are not smart enough. Ideally people should not have been using sqlite2 plugins, but obviously if it's an old install they just carry on.
[16:30] <xnox> it's a shame that sqlite3 cannot read/convert sqlite2 databases, so my "upgrade plan" is
[16:31] <xnox> to keep sqlite2 for an extra release after we drop dependencies.
[16:31] <xnox> that will make LTS -> LTS upgrade 'interesting'
[16:32] <xnox> we probably should start dropping agressivly. then people will get the hint that they need to migrate using tools in precise
[16:34] <xnox> anybody knows how the rest of the world migrated from sqlite2 -> 3?
[16:34] <tumbleweed> no idea :/
[16:35] <micahg> probably happened years ago :-/
[16:35] <tumbleweed> before sqlite was really popular
[16:35] <micahg> Last sqlite2 release was Dec 2005
[16:38] <tumbleweed> so, I can't see us dropping everything any time soon
[16:38] <tumbleweed> but we could start disabling sqlite2 modules
[16:38] <debfx> micahg: even fedora still ships sqlite2
[16:40] <micahg> hrm, I guess we could wait one more release at this point, but I think asterisk would be a prime place to start dropping support for sqlite2 since it's already got its own security issues
[16:41] <tumbleweed> no objection from me
[16:41] <tumbleweed> shall we move on?
[16:44] <micahg> sure
[16:44] <tumbleweed> #topic Update from DeveloperAdvisoryTeam
[16:44] <tumbleweed> anyone here?
[16:45] <tumbleweed> #topic Review UbuntuDevelopment/BugFixingInitiative
[16:46] <tumbleweed> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/BugFixingInitiative
[16:46] <tumbleweed> I'm seeing quite a bit of activity on the missing homepages
[16:46] <tumbleweed> don't know if we are hooking anyone, though
[16:47] <jtaylor> I recently proposed on -devel to add syncs/merges from wheezy to the list of easy fixes
[16:47] <micahg> they're not all necessarily easy
[16:48] <jtaylor> most of the syncs are
[16:49] <tumbleweed> it's certainly something that new developers should learn
[16:49] <tumbleweed> but it's going to be fairly far down the line
[16:50] <tumbleweed> reviewing merges can be really hard (when nobody has cared about them for years)
[16:51] <jtaylor> we can do some prefiltering for new contributers
[16:51] <jtaylor> list merges where the versions are not far appart
[16:51] <jtaylor> or no mom conflicts
[16:51] <tumbleweed> and that have a linked bug, fixed in debian?
[16:51] <jtaylor> an unblock already implies a fixed bug in most cases
[16:52] <tumbleweed> that's a temporary thing until wheezy releases
[16:52] <jtaylor> yes but why not use this good oportunity?
[16:52] <tumbleweed> oh, sure
[16:52] <tumbleweed> want to prepare a list?
[16:53] <jtaylor> I can try, if my sql lacking skills don't get in the way
[16:54] <tumbleweed> #action jtaylor to look at producing a list of easy syncs
[16:54] <meetingology> ACTION: jtaylor to look at producing a list of easy syncs
[16:54] <tumbleweed> #topic any other business?
[16:54] <tumbleweed> chair for next week?
[16:56] <tumbleweed> (ok, not next week, the week after)
[16:57] <tumbleweed> come come
[16:58]  * micahg will be around, but quite busy
[16:59]  * tumbleweed presumably will be around too, but I tend to be at the pub
[16:59] <tumbleweed> ok, let's call this
[16:59] <tumbleweed> #endmeeting
[16:59] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Sep 20 16:59:30 2012 UTC.
[16:59] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-20-16.08.moin.txt
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[16:59] <tumbleweed> and laptop -> bag
[17:05] <pleia2> gathering up Community Council members :)
[17:05] <beuno> o/
[17:06] <beuno> #startmeeting Community Council bi-weekly IRC meeting
[17:06] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Sep 20 17:06:56 2012 UTC.  The chair is beuno. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:07] <beuno> #chair beuno
[17:07] <meetingology> Current chairs: beuno
[17:07] <beuno> who's around?
[17:07] <czajkowski> o/
[17:08]  * beuno raises pleia2's hand
[17:08] <pleia2> :)
[17:09] <czajkowski> YokoZar: ping
[17:09] <YokoZar> me too
[17:10] <beuno> where's our agenda wiki page again?  :)
[17:10] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[17:12] <beuno> so, membership board catch up?
[17:12] <PabloRubDroid> Hallo
[17:13] <beuno> czajkowski, can you confirm?  it's not clear to me what the list is
[17:13] <czajkowski> beuno: membership board
[17:13] <czajkowski> GMT-
[17:14] <pleia2> #topic Ubuntu Membership Board GMT-
[17:14] <czajkowski> who's here from the membership board
[17:14] <pleia2> (except beuno do that :))
[17:14] <beuno> PabloRubDroid, that would be you?
[17:14] <beuno> #topic Ubuntu Membership Board GMT-
[17:14] <pleia2> we did a catch-up in August, so this is anyone who didn't get a chance to talk to us last time, or has follow-up items they want to bring to our attention :)
[17:15] <pleia2> since our last meeting there were a couple changes to the Membership wiki pages in an attempt to clarify requirements, but I think we came to the conclusion last time that the real problem was people not reading the pages at all before applying
[17:15] <PabloRubDroid> Beuno Pablorubianes am on my cel after yesterday storm i have no power
[17:15] <beuno> PabloRubDroid, ah, right. Crazy storm!
[17:16] <beuno> http://www.elpais.com.uy/anexos/imagen/12/250273.jpg and http://www.elpais.com.uy/anexos/imagen/12/250436.jpg
[17:16] <beuno> for those of your curious as to why PabloRubDroid doesn't have power  :)
[17:17] <czajkowski> wow
[17:18] <PabloRubDroid> So if i got offline is my 3g got down too
[17:18] <czajkowski> PabloRubDroid: any comment on the membeship board
[17:19] <pleia2> I didn't expect much comment since we just met last month, but kept this slot here just in case, so if they're nothing that's ok :)
[17:19] <czajkowski> true
[17:19] <pleia2> there's
[17:19] <pleia2> gosh
[17:20] <czajkowski> if nothing else we can move onto AOB
[17:20] <czajkowski> I know foks are working
[17:20] <beuno> yeap
[17:20] <PabloRubDroid> Es
[17:20] <PabloRubDroid> Yes i am new there
[17:21] <beuno> czajkowski, by AOB you mean ARB?
[17:21] <PabloRubDroid> I like how aré things going
[17:21] <pleia2> great :)
[17:22] <beuno> ok, what's next?
[17:23] <czajkowski> beuno: AOB - any other business in the meeting
[17:23] <pleia2> dholbach put in a new revision of the CoC for review by the CC, so once Mark is back he can review and we can finally get it out to the community for another public review
[17:23] <czajkowski> indeed
[17:23] <czajkowski> the only other thing the CC needs to do is sort out the LC votes.
[17:23] <beuno> #topic Other business
[17:24] <pleia2> ah yes, I think we finally heard from all the LC folks about the candidates, so we can start voting now
[17:25] <czajkowski> again not sure if we need to wait on mark to do the final vote we did allow a week from sending them in to the CC.
[17:25] <pleia2> I sent an email off to the fellow working on the Forums plugin, he says he's close to getting it workin :)
[17:26] <beuno> woohoo!
[17:26] <czajkowski> pleia2: brilliant news
[17:26] <pleia2> (work and life stuff just got in the way, causing delay)
[17:26] <czajkowski> nods
[17:27] <pleia2> I think that's all I've got, and seems to be all that's on the trello board
[17:28] <czajkowski> beuno: thanks for chairing
[17:28] <pleia2> I'll get the wiki and stuff updated later
[17:28] <beuno> czajkowski, had to happen eventually, thanks for the hand-holding
[17:28] <beuno> thanks pleia2
[17:28] <pleia2> next meeting is with Kubuntu Council
[17:28] <czajkowski> pleia2: thank you
[17:28] <beuno> #endmeeting
[17:28] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Sep 20 17:28:56 2012 UTC.
[17:28] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-20-17.06.moin.txt
[17:28] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-20-17.06.html
[17:28] <pleia2> can someone email them?
[17:29] <czajkowski> beuno: at least it was a quiet one
[17:29] <czajkowski> beuno: practice makes perfection :p
[17:29] <beuno> czajkowski, that's what scares me
[17:29] <beuno> :)
[17:31] <YokoZar> We all learn somehow
[17:31] <YokoZar> except for those birds that learn how to fly by being thrown out of the nest and like 30% of them don't
[18:01] <cielak> alright, there should be an Ubuntu Accomplishments team meeting happening right now
[18:02] <cielak> but it's going to be cancelled, unless there is anyone else who wanted to meet us
[18:02] <cielak> in such case, please ping me ;)
[22:00] <cjohnston> howdy
[22:00] <iulian> Boo.
[22:01] <cjohnston> #startmeeting
[22:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Sep 20 22:01:14 2012 UTC.  The chair is cjohnston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[22:01] <s-fox> *waves*
[22:01] <cjohnston> #chair cjohnston
[22:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: cjohnston
[22:01] <cjohnston> #voters cjohnston hggdh s-fox iulian micahg
[22:01] <meetingology> Current voters: cjohnston hggdh iulian micahg s-fox
[22:02] <cjohnston> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board meeting for 20 September 2012. The wiki page for the Review Boards are available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[22:03] <cjohnston> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off
[22:03] <cjohnston> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[22:03] <cjohnston> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[22:04] <s-fox> cjohnston,  add IdleOne  to voters :)
[22:04] <cjohnston> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[22:04] <cjohnston> #voters IdleOne
[22:04] <meetingology> Current voters: IdleOne cjohnston hggdh iulian micahg s-fox
[22:04] <IdleOne> thank you
[22:04] <s-fox> hehe
[22:04] <cjohnston> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[22:05] <cjohnston> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[22:05] <cjohnston> AnasEmad: your up
[22:05] <AnasEmad> yes
[22:05] <AnasEmad> i am here
[22:05] <AnasEmad> i am Anas Emad from Egypt, member of Ubuntu eg team
[22:05] <iulian> AnasEmad: Could you please introduce yourself? ^
[22:06] <AnasEmad> i am Public Relations Representative  in Ubuntu egypt team
[22:06] <AnasEmad> i help our local team in cairo to connect more people
[22:07] <AnasEmad> and this  my wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AnasEmad
[22:07] <cjohnston> AnasEmad: what is Qafeer? a business?
[22:07] <AnasEmad> my startup
[22:07] <cjohnston> What do you do there
[22:08] <AnasEmad> for marketing solutions (working with open source technology)
[22:08] <AnasEmad> i am co-founder
[22:08] <cjohnston> Ok.. cool. thanks
[22:08] <AnasEmad> my startup Qafeer support open source from first day
[22:08] <AnasEmad> in Qafeer we used Ubuntu as main OS
[22:09] <iulian> AnasEmad: Not anymore?
[22:09] <AnasEmad> we make a lot of events and install festivals in cairo
[22:09] <AnasEmad> and mansoura and Alexandria
[22:09]  * iulian thinks that was a typo.
[22:10] <AnasEmad> next starday we have next SFD in egypt
[22:10] <AnasEmad> in Menoufia
[22:10] <AnasEmad> i will talking there in ubuntu session
[22:10] <cjohnston> Ok... lets vote.. :-)
[22:11] <cjohnston> #vote Voting for AnasEmad for Ubuntu Membership
[22:11] <meetingology> Please vote on: Voting for AnasEmad for Ubuntu Membership
[22:11] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[22:11] <IdleOne> +1
[22:11] <meetingology> +1 received from IdleOne
[22:11] <cjohnston> +1
[22:11] <meetingology> +1 received from cjohnston
[22:11] <s-fox> +1
[22:11] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[22:11] <hggdh> +1 AnasEmad -- thank you for your support and help
[22:11] <meetingology> +1 AnasEmad -- thank you for your support and help received from hggdh
[22:11] <micahg> +1
[22:11] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg
[22:11] <iulian> +1
[22:11] <meetingology> +1 received from iulian
[22:11] <IdleOne> Congrats AnasEmad and Welcome :)
[22:12] <EgyParadox> Congratulations
[22:12] <cjohnston> #endvote
[22:12] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Voting for AnasEmad for Ubuntu Membership
[22:12] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:12] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:12] <MohamedAlaa98> congrats bro :)
[22:12] <s-fox> congrats AnasEmad  :)
[22:12] <AnasEmad> Thanks everyone :)
[22:12] <AnasEmad> wow
[22:12] <bojce> congrats
[22:12] <AnasEmad> Wow
[22:12] <hggdh> AnasEmad: welcome sir
[22:12] <cjohnston> Next up... uros1
[22:12] <uros1> hello from Belgrade, is midnight here btw
[22:12] <cjohnston> Please introduce yourself
[22:12] <HazRPG> AnasEmad: Congrats dude :)
[22:13] <uros1> Well I`m ex journalist currently working for department of defence here in Serbia
[22:14] <uros1> and only Ubuntu user in department for now, but still working on issue
[22:14] <iulian> Nice mixture. :)
[22:14] <uros1> In LoCo team i`m member for, let`s see 6 years
[22:14] <uros1> During last few years active member and sort of team manager and devoted presenter of Ubuntu
[22:14] <uros1> My wiki is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Uros%20-Ubuntu%20member%20aspirant%20page%20-%202012
[22:16] <uros1> jono escaped...
[22:17] <hggdh> uros1: why do you have no testimonials for you?
[22:18] <uros1> missed that part...
[22:18] <uros1> my bad
[22:19] <hggdh> rather important part, this is where we get others to confirm what you have done
[22:19] <s-fox> uros1,  i would advise you ask members of your loco to support your application :)
[22:19] <uros1> myno problems, bojce: ping
[22:19] <cjohnston> preferably some who are also Ubuntu Members
[22:20] <uros1> yea no problem
[22:20] <uros1> bojce:
[22:20] <bojce> ok, uros1 is great spoksmen and one of reapy great ubuntu presenters
[22:20] <IdleOne> uros1: I am curious to know how come yours and bojce wiki page are almost identical, could you explain this?
[22:21] <uros1> for all bojce is coordinator of Serbian LoCo
[22:21] <uros1> we do work together
[22:22] <hggdh> is there anybody else in the room that can vouch for uros1 and bojce?
[22:22] <uros1> why is that any problem?
[22:23] <IdleOne> uros1: not a problem, just very uncommon
[22:23] <uros1> we are running team for four ears
[22:23] <uros1> two reapprovalls,
[22:24] <IdleOne> reapprovals? you mean you were Ubuntu member before?
[22:24] <uros1> no for LoCo team reapproval
[22:24] <cjohnston> my concern is that the pages look more like a team reapproval page than a membership page.. I want to see what each person has done, and the almost exact copy is a little too close for my comfort, especially when the only other person to speak on your behalf is the person who is also up for membership.
[22:25] <s-fox> how many people are in the loco that regularly attend  ?
[22:25] <uros1> where, on presentations or in meetings?
[22:26] <s-fox> both :)
[22:26] <uros1> on presentations average nomber is, about 50
[22:26] <uros1> in regular meetings on irc mabe 5 to 10 top
[22:26] <uros1> *mabe
[22:26] <s-fox> okay, does this group know you are applying for ubuntu membership /
[22:26] <s-fox> ?
[22:27] <uros1> yes shure its not secret
[22:28] <s-fox> did you ask them to support your application with comments on your wiki ?
[22:28] <uros1> no missed that part, sorry
[22:29] <s-fox> okay,  do you think you could see about that done for the next meeting? :)
[22:30] <uros1> what i think is: no problems to any kind of support from serbia team, we are one of the best europian teams
[22:30] <uros1> in small country we managed almost 5000 members and we work hard and god
[22:30] <IdleOne> I agree with s-fox. I would like to see testimonials from other members of the LoCo and also from current Ubuntu members.
[22:31] <uros1> I don`t se there is  a one small problem with testemonials what so ever
[22:31] <uros1> okay no problem
[22:32] <uros1> still maybe one, burt this is my problem
[22:32] <hggdh> uros1: the whole thing is we use the testimonials as an independent confirmation of the claims
[22:32] <uros1> yea, sure
[22:33] <hggdh> I tried to follow the pictures linked in the wiki, but they have no names associated
[22:33] <hggdh> and there is no picture of you in the wiki/LP...
[22:33] <uros1> my picture?
[22:34] <uros1> moment please
[22:34] <hggdh> uros1: what I was trying to do was match you with the pics. Now it is too late, I think
[22:35] <uros1> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ubuntu-srbija/7989009305/in/photostream
[22:36] <uros1> ok i see
[22:36] <uros1> so no problems
[22:36] <uros1> lets vote and reject me
[22:37] <hggdh> we do not want to reject you. I propose we do *not* vote, and give you time to get the testimonials
[22:37] <s-fox> +1 hd
[22:37] <s-fox> f
[22:37] <s-fox> g
[22:37] <s-fox> +1 hggdh
[22:37] <cjohnston> uros1, and bojce... It looks like you two both do great work, but we are having a couple of problems as a board with being able to determine this. As we have discussed, it would be nice if both of you could get testimonials from people in your LoCo and also from others who are Ubuntu Members so that we have a little more to go off of. It would also be nice if you could each make some changes to your pages so that 
[22:38] <bojce> ok, no problem
[22:38] <cjohnston> We do not want to vote on either of you today, in hopes that you will take the time prior to the next meeting to make a few small improvements to your applications, and then we will have a better picture of who you are and ask you to each reapply for the next meeting.
[22:39] <cjohnston> uros1 or bojce, do you have any other questions for us?
[22:39] <uros1> i think this is not fair, buit thats me
[22:40] <hggdh> uros1, bojce: please get some testimonials (and tags some names in the photos). The wikis are fantastic, but we *NEED* to have confirmation
[22:41] <hggdh> uros1: I guarantee you I want, with all my heart, to approve you
[22:41] <cjohnston> uros1: I didn't make it on my first application either.. the issue is that none of us know you, so it is very helpful to us to have others say things about you and the work that you do in order for us to gain insight into the things that we do not know.
[22:42] <uros1> Well I`m not stay awake to just tell you a story
[22:42] <uros1> so okay no problem
[22:42] <uros1> stay cool
[22:42] <cjohnston> Also, I'm not sure if the 12:00 utc board may be a better time fit for you?
[22:43] <uros1> working hour
[22:43] <cjohnston> I wondered if that was the case
[22:43] <hggdh> uros1: we are not going to vote now on you and bojce. We will keep you in the calendar for next meeting (in two weeks)
[22:44] <uros1> so let`s go to sleep, have god night or whatever time is
[22:44] <hggdh> uros1: you too. Sorry for this, but we need confirmations
[22:45] <bojce> ok, see you in 2 weeks
[22:45] <hggdh> bojce: as explained above, we are not going to vote on your application. Do you have any comments?
[22:45] <hggdh> heh
[22:45] <bojce> no, it`s ok...
[22:46] <cjohnston> Thanks to those who came, and congrats to AnasEmad
[22:46] <cjohnston> #endmeeting
[22:46] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Sep 20 22:46:26 2012 UTC.
[22:46] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-20-22.01.moin.txt
[22:46] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-20-22.01.html