[05:37] <kanliot> this dev asked for a stack trace.  it was a long one.  up to 54,000 lines so far
[05:37] <kanliot> ok 58000
[05:37] <kanliot> and it's done
[06:59] <noskcaj> why are you now smartboyhw-lol ?
[06:59] <smartboyhw-lol> noskcaj: #ubuntuforums joke:)
[06:59] <noskcaj> ok
[12:57] <silverarrow> hi
[12:58] <silverarrow> i`m burning the lastest daily
[12:58] <smartboyhw_> :)
[12:59] <balloons> howdy
[12:59] <smartboyhw> hOwdy balloons
[12:59] <silverarrow> there is a rsavage on the forum, loads of good helå
[12:59] <silverarrow> help
[13:00] <smartboyhw_> balloons: Look at
[13:01] <smartboyhw_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseAdmins/Members
[13:01] <silverarrow> I have 1,5 GB RAM now and should be able to run ubuntu too
[13:03] <silverarrow> I have a theory
[13:03] <silverarrow> ram is not an exact number is it?
[13:03] <smartboyhw_> silverarrow: What do you mean?
[13:03] <silverarrow> I mean how used ram and free ram is measured
[13:03] <smartboyhw_> balloons: Do see the link please:)
[13:04] <silverarrow> it looks like there has to be some free ram to use it fully
[13:04] <balloons> smartboyhw, haha.. lookey there
[13:04] <silverarrow> does it make sense?
[13:04] <smartboyhw> balloons: I actually put the link in the main Testcase Admins Team page
[13:04] <smartboyhw> It is originally for me to try to make a table in the wiki:)
[13:07] <smartboyhw> balloons: You +1ed it?
[13:10] <silverarrow> it`s just that i had 512mb originally  computer hardly ever uses more than 400 or 500 mb ram, and yet now with  the additional 1GB swap doesn`t kick in and system runs smoother
[13:12] <silverarrow> I`m just trying to explain it
[13:12] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:13] <elfy> I have removed that comment against my nick on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseAdmins/Members - anyone who knows me knows why I don't give it out
[13:14] <silverarrow> your elf like  etheric personality ?
[13:14] <elfy> yep
[13:15] <silverarrow> thought as much ;- )
[13:15] <elfy> :)
[13:16] <silverarrow> maybe a bit safer with no names on the web
[13:16] <silverarrow> or nick
[13:17] <silverarrow> not sure really, if there is some sneaky stuff with visa card and net bank the name probably comes from elsewhere
[13:17] <elfy> silverarrow: at least one forum admin has been targetted in r/l - I don't want the same thing - if I was a john smith - I'd not worry :)
[13:18] <silverarrow> good
[13:18] <elfy> some people know - some even know my address - but I know who they are :)
[13:18] <silverarrow> users need the admin team, hopefully they get support
[13:19] <elfy> luckily the nice pms outweigh the less than nice ones :)
[13:20] <silverarrow> I suppose you get a lot of questions and requireies ?
[13:20] <elfy> yep
[13:20] <silverarrow> angry complaints regarding ubuntu seems a bit off
[13:21] <silverarrow> being completely voluntarily and with loads of help to get
[13:21] <elfy> silverarrow: I much prefer the ones the forum language filter render completely unreadable given the choice :p
[13:21] <silverarrow> lol
[13:21] <silverarrow> !"#¤%&/
[13:22] <elfy> yep ... ban :p
[13:22] <elfy> idjits
[13:22] <silverarrow> however, some frustration comes with the territory
[13:23] <silverarrow> drivers and what nots
[13:23] <silverarrow> horror
[13:23] <silverarrow> lol
[13:23] <elfy> well that's what the forum is for :)
[13:24] <silverarrow> brasero works on ppc
[13:24] <silverarrow> trouble is cd does not eject?
[13:25] <silverarrow> nor does it show up in file  manage
[13:25] <silverarrow> only thing that works is reboot or diskutility?
[13:26] <silverarrow> at least on iso burns
[13:27] <silverarrow> a bit cumbersome but manageable
[13:32] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:34] <silverarrow> burning ubuntu ppc
[13:35] <davmor2> silverarrow: but if you burn the PPC how will you test on it ;)
[13:35] <silverarrow> I will install
[13:36] <smartboyhw> davmor2: He doesn´t mean burning the PPC ITSELF...
[13:36] <silverarrow> there are some new suggestions to try posted on the forum
[13:36] <davmor2> smartboyhw: I know hence the ;) at the end :D
[13:36] <silverarrow> oh like that lol
[13:36] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:37] <silverarrow> I am taking good care of my old ibook
[13:37] <silverarrow> have just added a bit of ram too
[13:38] <silverarrow> maybe there finally will be some use of me to the team
[13:41] <smartboyhw> silverarrow: Add oil:)
[13:41] <smartboyhw> (In HK add oil = give support)
[13:42] <silverarrow> yeah, I might have to get my chain lubricant
[13:46] <silverarrow> now for cd boot
[13:46] <silverarrow> back later
[14:01] <silverarrow> why can't I install at all?
[14:01] <smartboyhw> Er!?
[14:01] <silverarrow> !"#¤%%&?
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Don´t spam please...
[14:03] <silverarrow> this is getting serious
[14:11] <silverarrow> is there a way to get wireless drivers for quantal on a usb stick?
[14:11] <silverarrow> I am looking for a sort of download package manager could handle
[14:13] <patdk-wk> hmm, ya
[14:13] <patdk-wk> just download the .deb
[14:14]  * elfy was too slow ... 
[14:14] <silverarrow> I have been given this to add to yaboot during cd booting video=ofonly radeon.agpmode=-1
[14:18] <silverarrow> it turnes out this: video=ofonly:2,/vmlinux: Unable to open file, invalid device
[14:33] <silverarrow> how to tackle this bug?
[14:34] <silverarrow> it needs serious attention right now
[14:35] <silverarrow> and we need smart boys how do more than laugh
[14:35] <smartboyhw-lol> WHat bug again?
[14:35] <silverarrow> and some girls
[14:35] <smartboyhw-lol> lol
[14:35] <silverarrow> the live cd radeon bug
[14:35] <silverarrow> not sure it is radeon bug
[14:36] <silverarrow> why did it work fine in 12.04?
[14:36] <silverarrow> what have they done to the build?
[14:36] <smartboyhw-lol> Dunno maybe they messed the drivers
[14:37] <silverarrow> messing should be illegal
[14:38] <smartboyhw-lol> No I mean they changed it
[14:38] <silverarrow> however, now for the tidying up part
[14:39] <silverarrow> how do devs go out this problem in boothing stage
[14:39] <silverarrow> ?
[14:39] <silverarrow> if it was after install you could sort of trouble shoot different ways
[14:50] <silverarrow> which drivers for a AMD ATI M11 NV fireGL mobility T2e
[15:10] <tgm4883> elfy, I don't have a wiki page for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseAdmins/Members  so I added my google profile page instead. I figured that page is looking for contact info and such. If that's not ok feel free to remove it
[15:13] <elfy> tgm4883: the wiki page for me is the rigght one -  I just won't be putting my 'real name' on there :)
[15:13] <tgm4883> elfy, I don't have a wiki page to add, nor do I care to create one
[15:13] <elfy> I had one anyway :)
[15:13] <tgm4883> actually i had one at one time, and have sense deleted it
[15:14] <elfy> mine is rather old lol - I did it long time ago for membership
[15:14] <tgm4883> elfy, exactly. I had one for the same reason. I don't care to update my info in multiple places, so I deleted it
[15:14] <elfy> :)
[15:15] <tgm4883> if required, I'll create a wiki page and just stick a link to my profile on it
[15:15] <tgm4883> similar to my LP page
[15:15] <tgm4883> and my website, the about section links to my profile page as well
[15:15] <smartboyhw> tgm4883: Better idea:)
[15:16] <tgm4883> elfy, I'm not sure how many people would go to the ubuntu wiki searching for me that wouldn't just do a google search
[15:16] <tgm4883> which is why I don't have a wiki page
[15:17] <elfy> tgm4883: I'm not sure how many would go looking for info on me - but as I've seen the nasty end of a stick a forum admin got - Elfy will do :)
[15:18] <tgm4883> I don't have enough power to garner that much attention :)
[15:20] <elfy> I didn't :p
[15:20] <elfy> and I've not had to ban anyone yet either :)
[15:22] <smartboyhw> tgm4883: You are a good Mythbuntu dev. You will get enough attention:)
[15:22] <smartboyhw> tgm4883: BTW you are NOT a Ubuntu member?
[15:22] <balloons> elfy, lol.. ban anyone *yet*
[15:22] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:22] <elfy> balloons: well there's this one account I am thinking seriously about ...
[16:37] <wxl> hah
[16:49] <patdk-wk> hmm, launchpad is so broken :(
[16:51] <wxl> patdk-wk: oh?
[16:51] <wxl> can't file a bug against launchpad? my favorite kind of bug!
[16:51] <patdk-wk> can't upload to ppa's
[16:51] <patdk-wk> for >8h now
[16:51] <patdk-wk> and no one responding to any requests :(
[16:53] <wxl> oh, well that's no fun. sounds like a good time to file a bug against launchpad. which is through launchpad, by the way. XD
[16:54]  * patdk-wk submits new bug, the wxl bot on #ubuntu-testing is acting up
[16:54] <wxl> hahahah
[16:54] <wxl> i wish i could offer further help
[16:55] <patdk-wk> no problem, I thought #launchpad could, they normally can, but completely dead today, except others having the same issue
[16:55] <wxl> maybe that's indicative of them working on it? :/
[16:58] <wxl> not trying to tell you anything you don't already know but maybe you could at least get a sense of whether or not that's true by checking out the mailing list https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-dev/
[16:59] <patdk-wk> heh?
[16:59] <patdk-wk> if what is true?
[16:59] <wxl> whether or not they are working on it
[17:00] <patdk-wk> not a single email about anything in there
[17:00] <patdk-wk> unless this combo loader thing is related
[17:00] <patdk-wk> but don't think so
[17:01] <phillw> patdk-wk: I'm just asking a bunch of people who may have some information
[17:01] <wxl> launchpad-users doesn't seem to have any activity on it either https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-users/
[17:02] <phillw> they can only suggest haunting on #launchpad and await an admin to arrive :/
[17:03] <phillw> ping the contacts in the topic, so see if any are about has been advised
[17:03] <phillw> patdk-wk:  ^^
[17:03] <patdk-wk> ya, I hadn't bothered to bother people yet directly
[17:03] <wxl> yeah i'm coming up with nothing; sorry
[18:22] <njin> balloons, is deprecated here too init.d ? sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[18:22] <njin> balloons, hallo
[18:24] <balloons> balloons, yes, that would be
[18:24] <njin> balloons. ping
[18:24] <balloons> should be service now
[18:24] <balloons> lol
[18:24] <balloons> njin, I typed my own name
[18:24] <njin> balloons, is online our new tester, sfarnedi
[18:24] <balloons> ahh.. hello sfarnedi
[18:25] <sfarnedi> ok ci sono
[18:25] <njin> hallo sfarnedi, let mi present you balloons, a really nice person
[18:28] <njin> balloons, sfarnedi (sandra) is a valid help in testing isos
[18:30] <njin> balloons, so the new command wold be...sudo service networking restart  ?
[18:31] <njin> sudo service networking start ?
[18:31] <balloons> i believe so
[18:34] <njin> sfarnedi, do you need something from me ?
[18:35] <sfarnedi> no, just listen in order to better understand what's going on
[18:36] <njin> better ask balloons then ^^
[18:37] <balloons> njin, the changes to the tracker just landed
[18:38] <sfarnedi> njin, at the moment I have nothing to ask, I just want to follow your discussion
[18:40] <njin> ok, sfarnedi for some help on virtual machines or testing just ask, this week me and balloons are busy, but usually we can talk for more time
[18:41] <balloons> njin is helping to land the server testcases
[18:41] <njin> ok I go on on my task
[18:42] <sfarnedi> njin, tomorrow I'm going to better understand how virtual machine work and ask you or balloons in the evening if I need help
[18:42] <njin> ok, great
[19:15] <phillw> njin: sfaernedi can also ask me about VM's, I'm familiar with KVM and the Oracle system, I can find my way round Qemu if needed :)
[19:16] <njin> phillw, ok
[19:16] <patdk-wk> wee, launchpad mystery solved
[19:17] <phillw> patdk-wk: what was it?
[19:17] <patdk-wk> uploads using subkeys are no longer allowed
[19:17] <patdk-wk> due to perpose or bug, dunno
[19:17] <patdk-wk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1053568
[19:22] <phillw> balloons: have all the test cases been moved from wiki format into <ol> / <li> (or the newer one) now?
[19:22] <balloons> phillw, no
[19:22] <balloons> that migration isn't done
[19:23] <balloons> it's a BUSY week
[19:23]  * balloons is happy to hand out some work
[19:23] <balloons> :-)
[19:23] <phillw> throw me a couple that are awaiting & I'll do my best. they may need tidying up if they are for stuff I'm not familar with :)
[19:24] <phillw> but, most of the grunt work will have been done :)
[19:25] <balloons> there's even more ubiquity features to add in now
[19:26] <balloons> if you want to tackle those testcases (basically, modifying our default testcases) that would be awesome phillw
[19:26] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1042647 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1042649
[19:27] <balloons> the page doesn't mention much, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates, but I can help you if you tackle it
[19:27] <balloons> basically sync the new iso, check out the changes and make the testcases line up
[19:31] <phillw> balloons: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1439/info has the info for Crypt on an LVM. Is that what you need adding in?
[19:33] <balloons> yes, but this is on the desktop cd now :-)
[19:33] <phillw> So, it needs adding in as new testcase for the Desktop installs?
[19:33] <balloons> and whoops.. looks like you've got some extra info at the bottom of the testcase there :-)
[19:33] <balloons> phillw, yes, but it's going to be very similar to the default testcases
[19:34] <balloons> so start with one of the install testcases and add in the encrypt lvm
[19:34] <phillw> he he, I'll go edit that now!
[19:34] <balloons> make sense?
[19:34] <phillw> yup. I'll go have a 'play' :)
[19:35] <xnox> balloons: the manual-lvm did not land yet.
[19:36] <balloons> phillw, note that xnox is correct, and some pieces are not yet in the images
[19:36] <xnox> balloons: not merged in trunk either.
[19:36] <balloons> however, the 'Add re-using /home via manual partition to testcases' is in the images.. and the testcase for it can be made :-)
[19:37] <xnox> balloons: phillw: the manual-crypt is merge & uploaded and will be on the next spin.
[19:37] <balloons> for that testcase, just add it in to the manual parittion pre-existing testcase
[19:37] <phillw> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1439/info corrected
[19:37] <balloons> basically make sure we can use a pre-existing parition as /home and have it work without wiping data, etc
[19:38] <balloons> phillw, did you and noskcaj finish up the couple new testcases for the disc menu? 'check disc for defects' and 'desktopmemtest'?
[19:38] <balloons> don't worry xnox we do blame you :-)
[19:38] <balloons> :-P
[19:39] <phillw> balloons: yeah, they're queued - but use the brand new format so cannot be made live until that css change arrives.
[19:39] <balloons> phillw, ohh it's arrived
[19:39] <balloons> it's done.. ready, use it ;-)
[19:39] <balloons> land it now ;-)
[19:39] <balloons> you'll notice the tracker looks a bit different right? :-)
[19:40] <balloons> it's just converting the old testcases that has to still happen
[19:40] <phillw> so, I am to use that, and not <ol> / <li> from now on?
[19:40] <balloons> your choice, I'm updating old stuff, so I'm using the <ol> for now
[19:40] <balloons> after the mass convert you'll need to use the new stuff
[19:40] <balloons> in the interim, I think using the new format for new tests, and using the old format for old is ok
[19:41] <balloons> prevents me from manually migrating an old testcase just by editing it
[19:41] <phillw> Okies, well if I'm using 90% of an existing test case for it, I may as well stick with that format.
[19:41] <balloons> but your welcome to do so actually.. it's not like it's 'hard' to copy/replace
[19:41] <phillw> I edit live, I don't download them onto my local machine :)
[19:42] <balloons> hehe
[19:42] <phillw> ooh, I did finally install Bluefish, I may use that from now on :D
[19:42] <balloons> real man
[19:47] <phillw> balloons: from memory re-using /home requires it already to be a seperate partition, and then manually added to the map ensuring that it is marked NOT to format?
[19:49] <phillw> if so, for those for whom /home is not a seperate partition need to be advised to go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[19:49] <phillw> and then return to complete the test case?
[19:50] <phillw> or.. what sort of check should be carried out? <sudo fdisk -l> <Expect an entry for /home>
[19:50]  * balloons balloons reading scrollback
[19:50]  * balloons fingers going to fall off.. he's not a fast typer
[19:50] <patdk-wk> it's double balloons
[19:51]  * balloons notes balloons is referring to himself in the third-person. I think balloons left the building and floated away
[19:52] <phillw> don't tell me that TheLordOftime popped you and re-created you... again... :)
[19:55] <balloons> phillw, ahh.. well, I was asked to make it a testcase
[19:55] <balloons> as it stands now, there's nothing specific given in manual partitioning
[19:55] <balloons> if your doing something manually however, it can be presumed you have a purpose and reason and understanding to do so
[19:55] <knome> you're
[19:56] <phillw> hmm, piglet is an lvm machine... not easy for me to check
[19:56] <balloons> roflo rlololololol
[19:56] <balloons> lolololasdlkaskdj
[19:56]  * balloons pops
[19:57] <balloons> I would add it as an optional step phillw to the current testcase. You can check how I integrated the webcam screen into the basic install (entire disk) testcase for an example
[19:57] <balloons> hi knome!
[19:57] <phillw> balloons: my concern is that if we do not check that /home is a seperate partition, it will get nuked if they are to new to realise that it must be. (I'm always wary of the over excited n00b).
[19:57] <knome> hullo :)
[19:57] <phillw> *are too new*
[19:58] <balloons> phillw, I don't see any issues there.. if /home is not seperate, well, then they'd lose the disk anyway :-)
[19:58] <balloons> manual partitioning isn't helping or hurting them
[19:58] <balloons> :-)
[19:59] <phillw> balloons: which is why I said to do a check, if it fails, go to
[19:59] <phillw> if so, for those for whom /home is not a seperate partition need to be advised to go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[19:59] <phillw> (20:48:35) phillw: and then return to complete the test case?
[19:59] <phillw> if so, for those for whom /home is not a seperate partition need to be advised to go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[19:59] <phillw> (20:48:35) phillw: and then return to complete the test case?
[19:59] <phillw> that way a test case cannot be held responsible for hosing someones /home area :D
[20:00] <phillw> that check can be added as a pre-requisite before starting the test case.
[20:01] <phillw> <action: check /home is on seperate partion> <expect: /home on seperate partition>
[20:04] <phillw> balloons: a simple `cat /etc/fstab` will give them that /home is indeed a seperate partition.
[20:04] <njin> balloons, I finished the iSCSI virt on kvm page, remaining then , iSCSi root manual test, iSCSI unauthenticated, maas, I can work on them tomorrow and saturday
[20:06] <njin> ok, sleep time for me, goodnight guys
[20:07] <phillw> njin: make sure the penguin doesn't catch you!
[20:08] <njin> uhm, no he's enlarging his butterflies collection...
[20:10] <njin> quantal is better that win 8, is more advanced
[20:11] <balloons> phillw, need a few mins
[20:11] <balloons> sry
[20:12] <phillw> np
[20:27] <balloons> sweet.. njin is so close to finishing
[20:27] <balloons> phillw, ok, I wouldn't use a terminal command if you really wanted to put something in the testcase
[20:28] <balloons> if they mark it as do not format, it won't be formatted (and they should)
[20:28] <balloons> if they only have one partition then they won't be able to install
[20:28] <balloons> make sense.. I don't see how they can cause havoc
[20:29] <phillw> balloons: I'll have to make a VM and see what the behaviour is when I try to add a non existant home partition. I
[20:30] <balloons> phillw, ahh excellent point
[20:30] <phillw> I only use alternate installs these days :)
[20:30] <balloons> no use bickering about it
[20:30] <balloons> go and test and see ;-)
[20:30] <balloons> hence the new testcase
[20:30] <balloons> lol
[20:31] <phillw> Is that functionality in the ubuntu amd64 build 20120920 ?
[20:32] <phillw> balloons: oops http://launchpad.net/bugs/1053362
[20:32] <phillw> so, I guess me downloading that iso is not a good idea :/
[20:34] <phillw> it will take several hours to download a dvd sized iso, I'd like one that works :)
[20:37] <balloons> phillw, lol.. you don't need a working install to test the case :-)
[20:39] <phillw> balloons: if I'm going to commit piglet to ~4 hours of downloading, I'd actually like a working zsync so that I can do any further tests when called upon?
[20:40] <phillw> balloons: xubuntu i386 is failing, same bug... Hueston, we have a problem.
[20:41] <phillw> they are the only 2 desktops I see having been tested on iso-tracker.
[20:42] <balloons> phillw, yea.. sounds like no good
[20:42] <leadsled> balloons, I have several questions regarding testcase proofreading
[20:42]  * phillw wonders if they will get fixed faster than the ppc one that has been around longer.....
[20:42] <balloons> leadsled, sure
[20:43] <balloons> phillw, if it's widespread, we should mark the isos for rebuild
[20:43] <balloons> let's ask in #ubuntu-release
[20:43] <phillw> balloons: are the RT aware of the issue?
[20:43] <leadsled> do the links in the testcases also need be tested?
[20:44] <phillw> leadsled: I've not been putting any links into mine... so, balloons is going to have to answer that one!
[20:44] <balloons> leadsled, no shouldn't need to be.. they are all templated and should work.. test one then it's safe to assume :-)
[20:44] <balloons> phillw, I'm assuming he means the templated links
[20:45] <phillw> balloons: okies, I thought it was a legacy of the 'very' old wiki based testcases
[20:45] <phillw> thought I was missing out doing something :)
[20:45] <balloons> ahh.. no, if you check the template text at the bottom it has links to filing a bug or submitting a result
[20:47] <phillw> balloons: are, that bit that I just copy and paste?
[20:47] <phillw> s/are/ahh
[20:47] <phillw> balloons: would you ask on -release about http://launchpad.net/bugs/1053362
[20:48] <phillw> better coming from you (they might shout at me, throw hand-grenades etc. etc. :P )
[20:48] <balloons> phillw, yes
[20:50] <balloons> fixed phillw
[20:50] <balloons> grab your iso without concern
[20:50] <balloons> I'd get the non-dvd image :-)
[20:51] <leadsled> balloons, so i report to you and or phillw when i completed a testcase proofread?
[20:52] <balloons> leadsled, we could probably add a section to the wiki page
[20:52] <balloons> it's where all the work is being tracked
[20:52] <phillw> leadsled: reporting to balloons is better (He's the boss :) )
[20:52] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates
[20:53] <balloons> have a hand at updating that if wiki's don't scare you
[20:53] <phillw> balloons: can you post a message onto http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds ?
[20:54] <phillw> or is that not in your powers?
[20:54] <balloons> the notice board
[20:54] <balloons> yep can update
[20:55] <phillw> basically tell people not to use the 20120920 desktop spins, saves people wasting time & reporting an already known & fixed bug.
[20:56] <phillw> it will either be 20120920.1 or 20120921
[20:57] <phillw> sorry, leadsled we're not ignoring you! Just seem to have a bad batch of dailies that having people test will waste their time & energies.
[20:59] <phillw> and, that, as they say, is wrap. Beta 2 is frozen. May the Lord have mercy upon it and all who test it.
[20:59] <noskcaj> is this error going to be in xubuntu too?
[21:02] <noskcaj> or ubuntu i386
[21:07] <phillw> noskcaj: it affects xubuntu i386 and ubuntu amd64, so it seem an across the board bug. It has been fixed, but needs to wait for the respin.
[21:08] <phillw> noskcaj: that is why I've asked balloons to put a note on so people do not try testing an iso we know is 'poorly'
[21:08] <balloons> phillw, no no no.. todays iso works
[21:08] <balloons> it was a problem yesterday from what they tlel me
[21:09] <phillw> leadsled: on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates there is a new column called "Proof Read"
[21:09] <balloons> or.. perhaps I'm wrong
[21:09] <balloons> I can't check yet.. though I have today's iso
[21:09]  * balloons fires up vm
[21:09] <phillw> balloons:
[21:09] <phillw> (21:49:05) cjwatson: balloons: it's already fixed
[21:09] <phillw> (21:49:12) balloons: cjwatson, ty
[21:09] <phillw> (21:49:18) cjwatson: when I'm not in the pub I'll dup it and stuff
[21:09] <phillw> (21:49:50) phillw: cjwatson: is it a full respin for all?
[21:09] <phillw> (21:50:01) Laney: it's not respinning time yet.
[21:10]  * balloons is dizzy
[21:10] <phillw> which I read as the bugs that are applied to 20120920 are correct, and a respin is awaited
[21:10] <balloons> if they are broken, let's mark them as such so they can't be reported on, etc
[21:10] <phillw> balloons: that is what I asked you to do on the page :)
[21:11]  * balloons floats
[21:11] <balloons> I'll just check now and do so if that's the case
[21:11] <balloons> the answers are confusing
[21:11] <phillw> leadsled: just put "yes" when you have done them, no need for a date. I'll go check on getting the tables set correctly across the page.
[21:12] <phillw> balloons: please do, I'm not sure what is going on either... But that is a normal state of affairs for me :D
[21:12] <balloons> lol
[21:12] <balloons> it's only this way because I'm trying to land the unity testing atm
[21:12] <balloons> yep.. unity testing..
[21:12] <balloons> more fun :-)
[21:13]  * phillw is glad lubuntu does not use Unity :D
[21:14] <phillw> but, if I do land a working VM for ubuntu 12.10, guess my VM will get used to it!
[21:15] <balloons> k got the error
[21:15] <balloons> marking the isos
[21:16] <leadsled> balloons, do i need to compare the new testcase with a done status on this page QATeam QuantalTestcaseUpdates to a master testcase?
[21:18] <balloons> leadsled, no.. you don't have to compare it to anything. Just check the testcase for grammar errors, etc.. and when we have a good iso to work with again, lol, actually run through the testcase and make sure it is correct
[21:18] <balloons> odds are if you look, you'll find a grammar error in my testcases.. I simply can't see the errors :-)
[21:19] <noskcaj> ditto
[21:21] <leadsled> balloons, ok
[21:26] <phillw> balloons: can you have a look at the 1st table on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates and let me know if you want me to refresh the whole page to that format?
[21:26] <balloons> <-- not a wiki guru
[21:26] <balloons> <-- made the original page
[21:26] <balloons> likely your is better
[21:27]  * balloons not seeing diff?
[21:27] <phillw> balloons: not bothered... do you like that layout (I'm no wiki guru, but I know some who are so I use their work )
[21:28] <phillw> balloons: refresh the page. you should see the table correctly aligned and using more of the width up on the 1st one, than the others below it.
[21:28] <balloons> ahh..
[21:28] <balloons> yes much nicer
[21:28] <balloons> have at it
[21:29] <phillw> i'll apply it. You can thank MrChrisDruif for the formatting he is our tame wiki guru on lubuntu :)
[21:30] <phillw> he's very much part time now, so kanliot looks after the day to day grunt work of wiki editing, but he's always there if we need him :)
[21:32] <kanliot> i am
[21:32] <kanliot> what we talking about?
[21:36] <balloons> the craziness called beta kanliot
[21:38] <kanliot> k
[21:38] <kanliot> i thought it was the days shortinging
[21:39] <kanliot> makeing people crabby
[21:46] <phillw> balloons: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates
[21:47] <phillw> I'm not going to break my back setting table widths for a temp page, hopefully that format will get us through!
[21:47] <balloons> k
[21:47] <balloons> yes, I think that will be fine
[21:48] <phillw> if kanliot gets bored and wants to play with table widths, it would be a good area to try on. As long as he does not delete any data!
[21:50] <phillw> leadsled: you are now safe to change the "No" bit into "Yes" as you proof read the test cases, thank you for agreeing to look out for our typos :)
[21:50] <balloons> ^^ +1! ty to leadsled
[21:50] <balloons> probably the harder job honestly :-)
[21:52] <phillw> balloons: well, as the typo I spotted was on the old, old test case, I guess so. humans are very good at correcting spelling mistakes. If I were to be presented a technical paragraph and some one snook in a 'fro' in place of a 'for', chances are I'd miss it. I'd be more concentrating on what they were asking :)
[21:55] <phillw> kanliot: the other reason people may be less cheerful than normal is the shear volume of FFe's etc going through for Unity. I've never seen such an amount of requests go through. They are nagging the docs team, the translation team, the release team & us on QA haven't a prayer of getting test cases up until all the changes are in!
[21:56] <phillw> some of installer stuff ubiquity has not even landed yet... and todays isos seem poorly.
[21:57] <balloons> phillw, yes.. my mind sees what it wants to see
[21:57] <balloons> I simply don't read things
[21:57] <phillw> balloons: have you managed to wrestle some one down as to what is happening with desktop 20120920?
[21:57] <balloons> I just landed the new unity testcases
[21:57] <balloons> back to the installer stuff now :-)
[21:57] <phillw> congrats :D
[21:58] <phillw> Let's see if we can have something to install, and I'll help out :P
[22:00] <phillw> anyways, whilst there is a lull in the proceedings... how's life treating you today kanliot?
[22:03] <kanliot> playing space pirates and zombies on linux
[22:03] <kanliot> it's a pretty good
[22:09] <balloons> phillw, yes today has been quite a busy day
[22:09] <balloons> and ohh my
[22:09] <balloons> look at the hour
[22:09] <balloons> I haven't moved from my chair at all today :-)
[22:13] <phillw> balloons: well, I got dragged out with my Mom for the weekly shop, so it was nice to have a change of four walls :)
[22:13] <balloons> lol
[22:14] <balloons> I'm floating low
[22:14] <balloons> and rainstorm is moving in outside
[22:14] <balloons> it says.. stay in the chair
[22:19] <phillw> balloons: so, I should wait for 20120921 before downloading?
[22:20] <balloons> phillw, yea, I think hacking on this tomorrow is good
[22:20] <balloons> play with unity tonight
[22:20] <balloons> it's ready..
[22:20] <balloons> course for you, being lxde... ;-)
[22:21] <knome> hmm.
[22:21] <phillw> I'll pull in the 20120920 as zsync, that will most of it in. then can do a refresh tomorrow.
[22:27] <balloons> yep
[22:27] <balloons> I'm sitting on the synced iso's
[22:38] <knome> don't break it!
[22:42] <phillw> balloons: I'm still waiting... should I instigate a zsync download of ubuntu amd64 12.10 20120920?
[22:43] <balloons> phillw, afaik it's not coming till tomorrow
[22:44] <balloons> aka, tonight at normal build
[22:45] <phillw> balloons: how much is difference? Can I get the bulk of it overnight and then a quick zsync? Afterall, that is what zsync is there for?
[22:45] <balloons> download the iso
[22:45] <balloons> zsync tomorrow
[22:45] <balloons> as always
[22:45] <balloons> i have one iso i dl at the start of the cycle
[22:45] <balloons> i zsync it all the way through :-)
[22:46] <phillw> well, as I have no source, zsync will download the full iso :)
[22:46] <phillw> quiick check.... oh, you have jack zero... okies... I'll get everything :)
[22:47] <balloons> :-)
[22:47] <balloons> sounds like a plan
[22:47] <balloons> ok, it is most defintely dinner time
[22:48] <phillw> go get dinner, I have a screaming ppc tester at my throat!
[22:49] <wxl> oh bah
[23:47] <phillw> wxl: ping
[23:47] <wxl> pong phillw
[23:47] <phillw> xnox: you here>
[23:49] <xnox> phillw: yeah...
[23:49] <phillw> hmm, I seem to have started a flame war on -testing... :(
[23:49] <wxl> this isn't testing? :)
[23:50] <phillw> wxl: on -release!
[23:50] <wxl> oh
[23:50] <wxl> yikes
[23:51] <phillw> wxl: can you explain to xnox the problem you are having getting the iso 790769664 Jul 24 19:08 quantal-alternate-powerpc.iso onto a CD
[23:51] <phillw> I've obviously missed something,
[23:51] <wxl> infinity has helped a bit on #lubuntu-offtopic
[23:52] <wxl> canonical has never targeted for any optical disc <700mb
[23:52] <wxl> even though cd capacities have been as small as 650mb
[23:52] <wxl> (which is what i am cursed with)
[23:52] <infinity> wxl: Also, I have no idea where that ISO of yours is from.
[23:52] <infinity> Err, s/wxl/phillw/
[23:52] <phillw> good, sorry, I was pinged else where for an ssh problem! (QA and live support do not mix at times!)
[23:52] <infinity> That must be alpha3, which no one should be testing these days.
[23:52] <infinity> -rw-rw-r-- 1 cdimage cdimage 733630464 2012-09-20 16:38 daily/current/quantal-alternate-powerpc.iso
[23:52] <infinity> ^-- The current alternate.
[23:52] <wxl> http://thesii.org/iso/lubuntu/quantal/alpha-3/
[23:52] <infinity> Yeah, use dailies. ;)
[23:53] <wxl> right
[23:53] <infinity> We're pushing toward beta-2 right now.
[23:53] <wxl> the only reason that got brought up was because of a problem i had with this shrunk iso i had and thinking it had a regression on it
[23:53] <infinity> phillw: That said, as I said in offtopic, remind me tomorrow, and we'll put some of your other CDs on a diet to get them all under 700M.
[23:53] <wxl> so we wanted to test against something releasey
[23:53] <infinity> And wxl will go buy new media. :)
[23:53] <wxl> but i'm gonig to say screw it, go get some dvd-rws and do over
[23:53] <infinity> And everyone wins.
[23:54] <wxl> exactly!
[23:54] <phillw> infinity: it was pulled as a part of a trial scheme being set up by balloons so that we have all the milestone releases for all falvours to be able to check back on owing to the fact that the server itself is limited in what it can keep.
[23:54] <infinity> Fair enough.
[23:54] <infinity> Anyhow.  I have to run.  Real Life calling.
[23:54] <wxl> thanks for all the help infinity
[23:54] <wxl> drink one for us
[23:54] <phillw> the server it is on has 2TB, I have also done the maths and can hold them all
[23:54] <wxl> which means more than 1
[23:55] <phillw> infinity: and a couple for me :D
[23:56] <phillw> wxl: well, what can I say? ... WOW springs to mind!
[23:56] <wxl> hah
[23:58] <phillw> hmm, I've heard of squashfs, but that is the limit of my knowledge!