[01:27] <lanboy> anybody home?
[06:17] <AlanBell> morning
[06:40] <ball> What's a sensible VNC server to use with Xubuntu?
[07:03]  * AlanBell is on a boat
[07:06] <ball> I wish I were on a boat.
[07:07] <pinky-> Pirate Ship?
[07:08] <AlanBell> pirate thames clipper
[07:08] <ball> That was yesterday ;-)
[07:08] <ball> Thames Barge wouldn't be bad
[07:08] <pinky-> ships name is The Sea Cucumber
[07:08] <ball> ...or a Severn Trow
[07:08] <ball> ...or a Norfolk Wherry
[07:08] <ball> That's about the right size I think.
[07:17] <pinky-> LeChuck's pirate ship was called the Death Starfish
[07:17] <ball> hello popey
[07:36] <diplo> Morning all
[07:37] <ball> mornin'
[07:42] <popey> morning
[07:43] <ball> I find myself back in the *buntu fold.
[07:43] <popey> welcome back :)
[07:44] <ball> Heh... thanks.
[07:45] <ball> I installed Xubuntu this morning and just got the ssh server and VNC installed
[07:45] <ball> (and joe and irssi)
[07:45] <ball> I like it.
[07:54] <ball> ...it seems to like my computer so far too.
[07:55] <pinky-> I keep getting PIRATING ERROR #256: X does not mark the spot.
[08:03] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:03] <pinky-> good morning
[08:03] <brobostigon> good morning pinky-
[08:18] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :-D
[08:53] <Azelphur> In a few years, this is going to be my desk. http://www.tnnewspress.com/images/Multi-Monitor-Control-Room-Console-10.jpg
[08:55] <pinky-> amd eyefinity to the MAX
[08:55] <Azelphur> indeed
[09:03] <pinky-> Azelphur, in the future you might need this mouse.. http://gizmodo.com/5944847/who-can-actually-use-this-nfc-mouse
[09:04] <Azelphur> pinky-: pfft, this one http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/06/14/Logitech_G600_MMO_Gaming_Mouse_highres.jpg
[09:04] <pinky-> omg
[09:05] <Azelphur> :)
[10:01] <diplo> Azelphur: I thought that was shopped until I googled it :P
[10:01] <Azelphur> diplo: haha, what's the deal with it?
[10:01] <Azelphur> I've only seen the picture :P
[10:01] <diplo> How many buttons?!?!!? :)
[10:02] <Azelphur> oh, the mouse
[10:02] <Azelphur> yea that's a Logitech mouse
[10:02] <Azelphur> diplo: they make keyboards and gamepads too of similar ridiculousness, I actually own them
[10:02] <pinky-> both sides of mouse the same?
[10:02] <Azelphur> http://www.centrale3d.com/IMG/Image/news_01_09/logitech_gseries.jpg
[10:03] <Azelphur> I have both keyboards and the wireless version of that headset
[10:03] <diplo> Yeah got a gamepad ( very old ) N51 or something but still only used limited amount of buttons
[10:03] <pinky-> plug me in
[10:03] <Azelphur> I had a N51
[10:03] <Azelphur> I dropped a soldering iron on it :(
[10:08] <davmor2> popey: is this on quantal?
[10:10] <pinky-> Landmark in quantum computing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veDS0D8lEoM
[10:10] <popey> what?
[10:11] <davmor2> popey: irssi_proxy told me about a USC issue in guest mode
[10:11] <popey> ah, in #software-center
[10:12] <davmor2> popey: I didn't look at the channel I just saw your nick :D
 davmor2, as guest I can't see reviews because USC thinks I am offline
 related to bug 911706 I guess
[10:12] <diplo> Mines in my loft I think Azelphur, don't game much anymore :/
[10:13] <davmor2> popey: okay ta
[10:13] <Azelphur> hehe
[10:14]  * popey wonders where bigcalm is
[10:14] <popey> he's coming round for tea and biscuits later
[10:14] <Azelphur> sounds deliciously British
[10:15] <davmor2> popey: Hide the chocolate ones or he won't leave ;)
[10:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: if you see this, oil of cloves or a tube of anbesol for your tooth
[10:35] <davmor2> popey: this picture is so scary even the glass is behind you is cracking ;) http://wolk.vandestreek.net/~martijn/lolpopey.jpg
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: and he keeps stealing your focus
[10:37] <popey> wow, i posted that url in a canonical irc channel just now
[10:37] <popey> which davmor2 isnt in
[10:37] <popey> spooky
[10:38] <davmor2> popey: you only think I'm not there muhahahahahaahahahahahahah
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: that image has been viewed _160_ times in the last 10 minutes...
[10:38] <popey> !
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> and only a few times before that
[10:39] <davmor2> popey: it got posted on #tdtrs
[10:39] <popey> wat
[10:41] <davmor2> popey: blame mogger87
[10:42]  * MartijnVdS resizes the image to NOT be 1.7MB
[10:42] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: no it needs that level of detail other wise is doesn't steal your focus
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: it's still 1200x800
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: instead of 3000x2000ish
[10:44] <popey> davmor2, i still dont understand how it got out of canonical irc
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> (8 * 3.14 = 25.12 -- 8 pi = christmas!)
[10:46] <AlanBell> speaking of popey pictures I am reminded of this release party picture http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/popey.jpg and the fact that we are just over a month away from the next release party
[10:46] <davmor2> popey: just cause you said about it on can irc doesn't mean it hasn't been posted in here before now or on someones blog and now it's on twitter thanks to dick_turpin and so on
[10:47] <popey> no but it seems massive coincidence that I post it out of the blue in #dx and suddenly it's had 160 views in the last 10 mins
[10:48] <popey> you mean it wasn't posted in #tdtrs recently?
[10:48] <popey> ah, blame neil!
[10:48] <davmor2> popey: 11:32 in tdtrs
[10:49] <Azelphur> obligatory http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/718smiley.png :p
[10:50] <popey> all is clear now
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> it's on twitter and g+ as well 8-)
[10:52] <davmor2> popey: on the lightdm page click on the power button what colour it is?
[10:54] <popey> davmor2, kinda dark colour like normal theme
[10:54] <davmor2> popey: also do you get the blue highlight around the password box on lightdm
[10:54] <popey> no
[10:54] <popey> just updating though
[10:54] <davmor2> popey: mine is looking more like the gnome3 black
[10:56]  * popey gets lunch
[10:56] <hamitron> you guys striping down ubuntu?
[10:58] <davmor2> hamitron: nope just breaking it, it's what I do :)
[11:03] <AlanBell> it is gord that steals focus the most though, not popey
[11:04] <popey> hamitron, hmm?
[11:08] <dutchie> is anyone good at grub rescue prompts?
[11:09] <dutchie> (yes, i've tried booting a live usb, but that doesn't seem to work either. blinking cursor, but i hear the log in sound play)
[11:13] <AlanBell> why are you at a grub rescue prompt?
[11:16] <dutchie> i don't know :(
[11:16] <dutchie> the updater told me to reboot, so i did, and now i have a grub rescue prompt
[11:16] <dutchie> (hooray for quantal)
[11:20] <diplo> popey had that dutchie a week ago or so from memory
[11:22] <popey> i did
[11:22] <popey> dutchie, is it a dualboot machine?
[11:22] <dutchie> yes
[11:22] <popey> poke cjwatson about it in #ubuntu-desktop
[11:22] <popey> :(
[11:22] <Laney> devel
[11:22] <popey> he may want to know about it
[11:22] <popey> or there
[11:22] <popey> #ubuntu-devel
[11:23] <dutchie> done
[11:26] <Laney> http://open.spotify.com/track/4aAODvWYkmJaqosWFN28dl tune du jour
[11:28]  * popey listens
[12:29] <BigRedS> I do wish spotify URLs were more parseable
[12:29] <BigRedS> more human parseable, even
[12:31] <davmor2> popey: the launcher becomes a mess about app 20
[12:34] <popey> BigRedS, then you wouldn't click then
[12:34] <popey> *them
[12:34] <popey> davmor2, depends on resolution doesn't it?
[12:34] <popey> and size of launcher icons
[12:35] <davmor2> popey: default size 1366x768, and 1440x900 iirc still starts getting ugly
[12:35] <popey> heh
[12:35] <AlanBell> 2048x1152 ftw
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> 640x480
[12:36] <AlanBell> the resolution of champions
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: well, there's 320x240x8bit
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> VGA "Mode X"
[12:39] <popey> Hercules FTW 720x348!
[12:41] <AlanBell> yay
[12:41] <AlanBell> that is a very wide aspect ratio isn't it
[12:41] <AlanBell> if they were square pixels, which they were not
[12:42] <directhex> i wish projectors did laptop screen resolutions
[12:42] <directhex> 2012, and most of them are still 1024x768
[12:43] <AlanBell> the ones at UDS are 1280x800
[12:45] <popey> they do hdmi too
[12:45] <directhex> been looking at a new office projector... may need to budget it next year :/
[12:49] <bittin^work> IT Crowd fucking rules, why did i not started watching it years ago
[12:50] <dogmatic69> too bad there is only a couple episodes
[12:56] <mattt> bittin^work: i never watch it, but i saw the irish guy hanging about our office the other week
[12:56] <mattt> they were filming a new film in the parking lot
[13:00] <bittin^work> yeah i heard my friend was talking about a movie aswell
[13:00] <MartijnVdS> !family | bittin^work
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> bot forgot about family-friendliness of channel?
[13:04] <AlanBell> http://www.ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=family not a trigger word
[13:05] <AlanBell> oh, while I remember
[13:05] <AlanBell> !paidapps | davmor2
[13:07] <hamitron> license keys? :/
[13:07] <AlanBell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pay/FAQs/License_Key sure
[13:08] <hamitron> ubuntu has really developed into something commercially available since I showed a lot of interest
[13:09] <hamitron> :)
[13:09] <davmor2> hamitron: yeah don't forget some of the apps we have are ports from windows, so in windows they have keys and that transfers to linux
[13:09] <hamitron> viable I mean
[13:09] <hamitron> well, it is good imo
[13:11] <AlanBell> kind of, but it all seems very individual focussed to me
[13:12] <AlanBell> dunno whether USC is now integrated with Landscape at all
[13:12] <hamitron> what is USC?
[13:12] <AlanBell> Ubuntu Software Centre
[13:12] <hamitron> oh ofc
[13:13]  * hamitron feels dumb
[13:13] <AlanBell> heh :)
[13:13] <pinky-> Brain is not here at the moment
[13:13]  * popey is negotiating for saturday evening beer
[13:14] <AlanBell> I don't know if you can purchase stuffs from USC in bulk and deploy from there to your landscape managed fleet of computers
[13:15] <popey> unlikely
[13:16] <AlanBell> do you know if the Zentyal purchase is leading to interesting new work being done?
[13:17] <AlanBell> or partnership
[13:18] <AlanBell> actually re-reading it that just looks like a support arrangement
[13:19] <davmor2> AlanBell: I'm not aware of any landscape integration or bulk installs as such, but also I don't think it has ever come up either.
[13:19] <jussi> o/
[13:20] <jussi> I am here btw...
[13:20] <jussi> :D
[13:20] <AlanBell> here on Saturday too jussi?
[13:20] <davmor2> jussi: no you aren't you are there not here, I'm here and you aren't, so you must be there
[13:21] <jussi> AlanBell: no, leave friday night about 6
[13:21] <jussi> davmor2: shaddup :P
[13:22]  * jussi throws eggs at davmor2
[13:22] <davmor2> jussi: they are missing me cause you are not here :P
[13:22] <jussi> davmor2: Im at a place with lots of cool old cars... :P
[13:23] <jussi> "here"
[13:23] <jussi> :D
[13:23] <davmor2> jussi: old cars you must be in the UK then and possibly near the NEC
[13:24] <jussi> Heritage Motor Center :D
[13:24] <jussi> (AUtomotive linux summit)
[13:27] <hamitron> slackpkg upgrade-all
[13:27] <hamitron> wrong window ><
[13:27] <jussi> lol
[14:11] <ali1234> t-mobile has this customer forum and if you create an account with "+" in the email it filters it out and replaces it with a space
[14:11] <ali1234> good job developers. replace a valid character with an invalid one.
[14:13] <ali1234> i sent an email to their support from the + address
[14:18] <Azelphur> ali1234: I got red up with trying to use the gmail + trick because so many sites bug out
[14:18] <Azelphur> I went for plan B and enabled catch all on @azelphur.com, then just use domain@azelphur.com
[14:20] <ali1234> yeah the amusing thing here is it actually accepted the email, but then changed it before saving it to the database
[14:20] <Azelphur> lol
[14:21] <ali1234> so now they think my email is an invalid email that will never succeed in delivery
[14:21] <ali1234> hopefully it fills there server logs with crap and crashes their server
[14:22] <ali1234> i'm going to subscribe to as many topics as possible
[14:22]  * hamitron makes note not to do stuff to annoy ali1234
[14:27] <ali1234> Azelphur: microsoft added "+" aliases the live/hotmail recently, so maybe it will become more common
[14:27] <Azelphur> probably not :P
[14:32] <davmor2> hamitron: You Slacker you :D
[14:34] <zleap> ali1234, i thought this is why we had RFC standards for things,  so we avoid errors in addresses
[14:42] <bigcalm[mob]> Hi peeps :)
[14:59] <davmor2> bigcalm[mob]: lo muppet boy what this about being down Sowfffff again
[15:11] <bigcalm[mob]> Davmor2: this time it's for fun. Keeping away from London
[15:13] <davmor2> bigcalm[mob]: Ah that is acceptable then but don't do it again :P
[15:31] <ali1234> cool, they fixed the email thing
[15:34] <diplo> that was quick :)
[16:20] <pinky-> wow! check this rock out the Curiosity Mars Rover has found http://gizmodo.com/5944952/mars-rover-to-study-pyramid-rock-of-unknown-origin
[16:23] <AlanBell> then it will move on to the curiously black monolith
[16:24] <brobostigon> lol
[16:25] <AlanBell> wake me up when they find the stone ring marked with heiroglyphs
[16:43] <davmor2> AlanBell: I found the plastic version of the ring was in my box of cocopops :D
[17:46] <bigcalm_laptop> Hi kids :)
[17:47] <bigcalm_laptop> AlanBell, popey: it has been commented that 8pm is a bit of a late start for the drinkings on Saturday. Shall we revise this time?
[17:50] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: 9pm?
[17:51]  * bigcalm_laptop kippers davmor2 
[17:51] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: yeah, you join us at 9pm
[17:52] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: All I did was revise the time
[17:53] <bigcalm_laptop> Why not make it the Renascence Period?
[18:05] <bigcalm_laptop> !ping
[18:17]  * jacobw2 welcomes lubotu3 
[18:26] <bigcalm_laptop> Can I go to sleep now please?
[18:33] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: NO!!!!!!
[19:48] <bigcalm_laptop> I can haz wifi!
[19:49] <mgdm> \o/
[19:53] <bigcalm_laptop> Visiting friends is sometimes hit and miss as to whether they will offer you a cup of wifi
[19:53] <bigcalm_laptop> This fried rocks :)
[19:53] <bigcalm_laptop> Right, time to start those porn torrents
[19:56] <AlanBell> bigcalm_laptop: sure, we can get there earlier
[19:56] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: Are you hungry or something considering you just fried rocks
[19:57] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: you are a confused lad
[19:57] <bigcalm_laptop> AlanBell: my host was concerned that 8pm wouldn't leave much time for getting drunk :)
[19:57] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: read your comment from 20:53
[19:58] <bigcalm_laptop> Oh, typos strike again
[19:59] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: though I stand by my statement that you're a confused lad ;)
[19:59] <bigcalm_laptop> This _friend_ rocks :)
[19:59] <bigcalm_laptop> Very good cook
[20:00] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: I resemble that comment
[20:00] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: glad you agree :D
[20:00] <bigcalm_laptop> I resemble a comet
[20:01] <bigcalm_laptop> This red wine is nice. Should try and remember the label and buy some myself
[20:22] <popey> bigcalm_laptop, cameraphones were made for a reason
[20:22] <bigcalm_laptop> I suddenly realise that I'm quite spoiled at home http://www.speedtest.net/result/2192179811.png
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> argh
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> Every time I click on the bottom of a window that's at the bottom of my screen, it half-maximizes as if I had dragged it to the top right corner
[20:23] <bigcalm_laptop> popey: a point well made. Though the bottle is in another room and I am comfy
[20:23] <popey> i have a friend whose girlfriend has OCD, she takes a photo of the front door every day on the way to work because she obsesses she didn tlock it
[20:23] <bigcalm_laptop> o.O
[20:23] <bigcalm_laptop> Poor lady
[20:24] <bigcalm_laptop> Admitidly I did go back and check that I had locked the door this morning
[20:24] <bigcalm_laptop> Admittedly
[20:25] <pinky-> bigcalm_laptop, this is my BT results http://www.speedtest.net/result/2192183954.png
[20:27] <popey> skipton..
[20:27]  * popey makes notes in his.. uh.. database
[20:27]  * mgdm drove through somewhere called Skipton the other day
[20:27] <pinky-> I'm more near Scarborough
[20:27] <mattt> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2192188093.png
[20:27] <mgdm> perhaps not the same one, though
[20:28] <bigcalm_laptop> mattt: that's what I get at home
[20:28] <bigcalm_laptop> Same ISP
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2192190362.png -- still waiting for fibre :(
[20:29] <mattt> MartijnVdS: that's perfectly good
[20:29] <mattt> unless you pirate all day long
[20:29] <mattt> bigcalm_laptop: yeah, virgin is great, but we had a wicked 1+ day outage last weekend
[20:30] <AlanBell> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2192192795.png better in the office
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> mattt: I'm supposed to get 100/100 (or even 1000/1000!) fibre, but apparently it's hard to get from ground level to the 7th
[20:30] <mattt> MartijnVdS: 8|
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> mattt: fibre has sticking out of the ground for more than a year now :(
[20:30] <pinky-> AlanBell, that's great! upload speeds
[20:30] <mattt> AlanBell: coventry?
[20:31] <mattt> MartijnVdS: ah man, what a tease
[20:31] <mattt> MartijnVdS: can't move down to ground floor?  :D
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> mattt: nah, there's nothing there except the entrance :)
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> mattt: can't afford a house.. twice as expensive as my flat :)
[20:32] <AlanBell> mattt: nope, Farnham
[20:32] <AlanBell> fibre to the cabinet. Apparently I should be getting a much faster download speed than I actually get
[20:32] <AlanBell> wonder if it is faster plugged directly into the router . . .
[20:33] <mattt> MartijnVdS: where are you again?
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> mattt: Netherlands, Alphen aan den Rijn
[20:34] <mattt> MartijnVdS: middle of nowhere, surely property is cheaper there :)
[20:34] <mattt> (kidding)
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> mattt: nah that's Groningen :)
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> (really, I can get a farm with lots of land out there for the same I get a 3-bedroom flat here)
[20:34] <mattt> MartijnVdS: is the coast there nice?
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> mattt: it tends to be, yes.. but it's VERY busy in summer
[20:36] <mattt> MartijnVdS: so what keeps you in alphen aan den rijn?
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> mattt: Family, friends, inertia
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> the fact that the cities around it are even more expensive :)
[20:39] <AlanBell> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2192207951.png
[20:40] <AlanBell> looks like my wifi is a bit of a bottleneck
[20:40] <mattt> AlanBell: woah
[20:40] <pinky-> faster then 97% of UK!
[20:42] <AlanBell> yup
[20:42] <mattt> those are impressive speeds for home
[20:42] <AlanBell> hmm, no window decoration and unity --reset is now deprecated
[20:42] <AlanBell> who broke it??
[20:43] <mattt> MartijnVdS: do you work from home ?
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> mattt: no.. well.. sometimes
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> wow.. I thought popey posted a lot on G+
[20:45] <mattt> MartijnVdS: easy to find work where you're at?
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> But NASA posts more.
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> mattt: As a computer programmer, there's always work :) But I've had my current job for 7 years now :)
[20:46] <mattt> MartijnVdS: like furniture!
[20:47] <AlanBell> czajkowski: did your unity drop window decorations earlier?
[20:51] <czajkowski> AlanBell: yup
[20:52] <czajkowski> AlanBell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1053288
[20:52] <popey> have you updated to unity 6.6.6.6.6?
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> the unity of the beast?
[20:53] <czajkowski> popey: slept most of the day and dentist so not done any updates
[20:54] <AlanBell> unity 6.6.0
[20:55] <AlanBell> thanks czajkowski, reading that now
[20:55] <czajkowski> popey: how do I find out what version I'm running
[20:55] <popey> apt-cache policy unity
[20:55] <popey> pastebinit
[20:55] <AlanBell> I did unity --version
[20:55] <AlanBell> same result though, 6.6.0
[20:55] <popey> apt-cache policy is more handy because it shows where you got it from
[20:56] <AlanBell> yeah, that is more detailed
[20:56] <czajkowski> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1217594/
[20:56] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1217595/
[20:56] <popey> czajkowski, you need to a) make sure you have -proposed enabled in software sources, and b) do an update
[20:58] <czajkowski> popey: tis ticked
[20:58] <czajkowski> doing update now
[20:58] <czajkowski> popey: also wondering should some of these be ticked http://twitpic.com/awocqw/full
[20:59] <popey> no
[20:59] <popey> updates tab only
[20:59] <czajkowski> popey: why the difference in http://twitpic.com/awod0c/full
[20:59] <czajkowski> 128 V 131
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: the counter takes a while to update sometimes
[21:00] <popey> 128+3 = 131
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: if you click 'Update' (not upgrade!) in the update-notifier app it should sync up
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> oh
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> and what popey says :)
[21:00] <czajkowski> popey: 131-3 = 128
[21:01] <popey> look at the text
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: 128 + 3 newly installed = 131
[21:01] <popey> it says 128 and 3 new which makes 131
[21:01] <czajkowski> ba I am special today
[21:01] <czajkowski> sorry
[21:01] <popey> :)
[21:01] <popey> np :)
[21:01] <popey> interesting that you ran apt
[21:01]  * czajkowski has to have her tooth YOINKED out in hospital :s
[21:01] <popey> even though update manager already open and ready to go :)
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> Zzz o'clock.
[21:01] <popey> nn MartijnVdS
[21:02] <czajkowski> it's growing down crooked into my jaw :(
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: :( good luck!
[21:02] <bigcalm_laptop> czajkowski: have them replace it with a cybernetic implant
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_laptop: The czajkowskinator?
[21:03] <AlanBell> czajkowski: that looks like a decorated window!
[21:03] <AlanBell> you have title bars and scroll bars and everything
[21:04] <popey> get you!
[21:04] <Laney> argh
[21:04] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you missed my fun morning of removing things
[21:04] <Laney> what are you doing advising people to enable -proposed?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
[21:05] <AlanBell> chortle
[21:05] <czajkowski> Laney: hello sunshine!
[21:05] <Laney> oh hello!
[21:05] <Laney> I just had to turn an old peep show off because it was too cringeworthy
[21:05] <czajkowski> Laney: now what's wrong with -proposed
[21:05] <bigcalm_laptop> 7% battery life remaining, maybe I should plug in
[21:05] <Laney> in the development release it's not supposed to be used by people
[21:06] <Laney> it's how you accidently get half of your system removed
[21:06] <Laney> or your cat ends up being shaved, things like that
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_laptop: spotify:track:2g2GhWq7Bm6NoTjvBSr3jp ;)
[21:07] <Laney> the whole reason unity and friends are uploaded there is because they are supposed to be kept in sync
[21:07] <Laney> so the whole stack is built in proposed and then copied to release when it's ready to be used by human beans
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> and ccsm STILL breaks :)
[21:08] <AlanBell> ccsm does *not* break
[21:08] <AlanBell> ccsm enables breakage in other things
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: when I start ccsm, it resets a bunch of settings, and I can't make changes I make with it stick
[21:08] <popey> Laney, they _are_ in sync, and after we can disable -proposed again
[21:08] <popey> (are they not)?
[21:09] <Laney> I don't know
[21:09]  * AlanBell observes he is fully updated from proposed and still broken
[21:09] <Laney> something else there might not be though.
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: dconf-editor lets me edit those settings (sloppy focus, autoraise delay, Alt instead of Super to move windows)
[21:09] <popey> fair point
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> Laney: -proposed is not always disabled when upgrading to a dev release though
[21:10] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: yeah, reloading the compiz plugin stack can still be a bit fragile, but unity does allow you to sneeze in the same room as it these days, way way better than it was
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> Laney: if you had it enabled in a non-dev release
[21:10] <Laney> correct
[21:10] <AlanBell> which is why I had proposed ticked I think
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I can't configure it anymore. That's not better than it was :)
[21:10] <Laney> I have a fix to Launchpad to make it not harmful to have it enabled
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> Laney: pinning?
[21:11] <Laney> but it depends on another bug fix elsewhere
[21:11] <Laney> kind of
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> anyway.. reall sleep time now :)
[21:13] <czajkowski> Laney: if you break lp you'll feel my wrath!
[21:14] <Laney> but the review and landing process is so thorough that breaking LP isn't possible :-)
[21:16] <czajkowski> Laney: if you break it I will be cranky
[21:16] <czajkowski> :)
[21:17] <Laney> it's only soyuz, what could possibly go wrong?
[21:17]  * popey cynisism meter and my sarcasmatron have both spontaneously exploded
[21:17] <czajkowski> Laney: see now you just jinxeed yourself!
[21:17] <bigcalm_laptop> \o/
[21:18] <Laney> ruh roh
[21:18] <czajkowski> pretty sure colin has some magic vodoo with LP it doesnt dare break when he does stuff
[21:19] <Laney> he's definitely broken stuff
[21:19] <bigcalm_laptop> I think this wine has broken my head
[21:20] <Laney> mmm wine
[21:21] <bigcalm_laptop> I can continue to code quite well while drinking beer (ale), but wine does something to mess with my thinking bits
[21:21] <popey> brain jelly
[21:21] <bigcalm_laptop> Haha, yus
[21:31]  * AlanBell wonders how to get performance out of wireless
[21:38] <AlanBell> actually kind of getting to like having no window decorations at all
[21:39] <Laney> join me on xmonad :-)
[21:39] <AlanBell> alt-drag to a window edge does the grid maximise thing, alt-middle resizes
[21:39] <bigcalm_laptop> That reminds me of some older window managers
[21:40] <AlanBell> resize by clicking in the window itself rather than on the ridiculously thin border or on the shadow outside the window
[21:40] <christel> bigcalm_laptop: why did you call me a fried earlier? :(
[21:40] <Laney> http://ubuntuone.com/55409bBNu3Z8ySCQ6REcDd
[21:41] <christel> i thought i was your FRIEND not your fried :(
[21:41] <christel> (thank you for calling me a good cook though)
[21:45] <bigcalm_laptop> Hehe
[21:45] <bigcalm_laptop> Sorrrrweeee
[21:45]  * bigcalm_laptop tickles christel
[21:45] <christel> MEEP
[21:46] <bigcalm_laptop> Oo, a road runner
[21:48] <christel> i was just telling AlanBell that i didn't quite succeed in killing you earlier!
[21:49] <AlanBell> we will try harder on Saturday
[21:50] <popey> Laney, is that gnome-fallback?
[21:50] <Laney> part of it
[21:50] <Laney> combined with xmonad
[21:50] <Laney> (instead of metacity)
[21:50] <popey> awwww channel 53 is me :D
[21:50] <christel> AlanBell: excellent! did we move the start time forward btw
[21:50] <christel> because 8 is like so late
[21:51] <christel> it'd mean i'd end up staying home to watch dr who instead, drinking wine... and then i'd never arrive
[21:51] <christel> (because i'd get tipsy and then i wouldn't be able to decide which shoes to wear)
[21:51]  * bigcalm_laptop likes to breath. Spinach likes to stop me from doing so
[21:51]  * AlanBell can't imagine christel getting tipsy
[21:52] <christel> AlanBell: oh good!
[21:52] <christel> :D
[21:52] <bigcalm_laptop> This is why most men have 2 pairs of shoes
[21:52] <AlanBell> yeah, we can start at 7 or whenever
[21:52] <christel> how about 2!
[21:52] <bigcalm_laptop> LOL
[21:52] <christel> maybe not too, i'd fall asleep by 8
[21:52] <AlanBell> you can start at 2, sure
[21:52] <christel> 7 is my favourite number so that kinda works
[21:52] <popey> Twelvety is my favourite number
[21:52] <christel> popey: :D
[21:53] <bigcalm_laptop> Now I'm hearing that in the voice of Len Goodman :S
[21:53] <christel> twelvetyseven?
[21:53] <christel> (lines and lines and lines and lines)
[21:53] <bigcalm_laptop> What?
[21:53]  * AlanBell has quite a lot of shoes, need to do a cull
[21:54] <AlanBell> 5 pairs including wellies
[21:54]  * Laney gets a beetroot soup out for lunch tomorrow
[21:55] <bigcalm_laptop> 1 pair of every day walking shoes - a friend called developer shoes
[21:55] <bigcalm_laptop> 1 pair of walking boots
[21:55] <bigcalm_laptop> 1 pair of "good" shoes to go with my suit
[21:55] <bigcalm_laptop> Oh no, I'm on the slipper slope
[21:55] <AlanBell> oh, slippers and sandals
[21:56] <AlanBell> forgot those
[21:56] <bigcalm_laptop> And for me
[21:58] <christel> slippery sandals!
[21:58] <christel> i'd like to see you both in heels on saturday please
[21:59] <bigcalm_laptop> I might struggle to get into anybody's heels
[21:59] <christel> :o
[21:59] <bigcalm_laptop> I have weird feet
[22:00] <Laney> ,
[22:01]  * Laney has tiny feet
[22:01] <Laney> size 6
[22:01] <christel> awwww babyfeet
[22:01] <christel> how sweet
[22:02] <AlanBell> size 10 or 11 for me
[22:03] <bigcalm_laptop> Big socks
[22:03] <christel> :o
[22:04] <mgdm> You know what they say about big socks
[22:04] <mgdm> big feet
[22:04] <bigcalm_laptop> That's the one
[22:04] <christel> see you say big socks and my mind instantly conjurs up an image of AlanBell wearing knee-high socks
[22:04] <bigcalm_laptop> Oh my
[22:04] <mgdm> I am glad I don't have your mind
[22:04] <pinky-> big feet, big hands
[22:04] <christel> and then it goes "whirrr whirrr" and suddenly he's wearing leiderhosen(sp?)
[22:05] <christel> and one of those funny hats with a feather in
[22:05] <bigcalm_laptop> I think that would suit AlanBell
[22:05] <christel> unless someone gives me a better mental image STAT i am sure he will start dancing and yodeling too
[22:05] <bigcalm_laptop> AlanBell: please to be yodelling on Saturday evening
[22:06] <mgdm> will he have a big horn?
[22:06] <christel> !
[22:06] <christel> yes
[22:06] <mgdm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphorn
[22:06] <bigcalm_laptop> !ohmy | mgdm
[22:06] <mgdm> bigcalm_laptop: see aove
[22:06] <christel> it is very long
[22:06] <mgdm> above
[22:06] <AlanBell> :O
[22:07] <AlanBell> the hills are alive
[22:07] <mgdm> apparently you get some that start small and get bigger
[22:07] <christel> mgdm: YES! i totally have mental imagery involving funnily curved horns :D
[22:07] <mgdm> Bill Bailey has one
[22:07] <christel> :o
[22:07] <christel> i like bill bailey, he is funny
[22:07] <Seeker`> eeeeeeeeeeeeevening
[22:08] <christel> hello Seeker` <3
[22:08] <mgdm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybighdGqHpk
[22:08] <Seeker`> hallo!
[22:08] <bigcalm_laptop> I should bring in the bottle of wine before our glasses become dry
[22:08] <mgdm> evening Seeker`
[22:08] <Seeker`> o/
[22:09] <bigcalm_laptop> mgdm: I wanted to go and see him perform that set live. But the cost was prohibitive
[22:09] <mgdm> I did see him do that, twice
[22:09] <christel> how greedy of you
[22:10] <mgdm> in two places!
[22:10] <christel> oh thats ok then
[22:10] <bigcalm_laptop> Very greedy
[22:11] <christel> seeing how you didnt see it twice at the same time
[22:11] <christel> i thought maybe you had both your eyes open
[22:11] <bigcalm_laptop> Surely you see everything twice?
[22:11] <bigcalm_laptop> Ah, are there any Cyclops in here?
[22:12] <christel> SSSH!
[22:13] <mgdm> TELNET!
[22:13] <mgdm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwaxWoJPUC0
[22:31] <bigcalm_laptop> Night peeps