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phawxSo, this might be a nubish question...figured this would be a good spot00:17
phawxIm thinking about going back to Ubuntu from windows, but I tend to play WoW every so often...how's that run within Ubuntu and Wine? or is there a better alternative to Wine?00:19
MarkDudebkerensa, whats the deal with Puppet Labs?00:45
* MarkDude asks due to upcoming Puppetconf in SF00:45
MarkDudeOther Fedorans have passes (unlike myself)00:45
blkperlbkerensa: if your looking at phpmyadmin your doing it wrong :)00:53
bkerensablkperl: I usually use MySQL Workbench but either way PHPmyadmin is a fine product01:26
bkerensaMarkDude: What do you mean?01:26
bkerensaMarkDude: Maybe you should ask them for one but last time I checked they dont just give them out01:27
bkerensaUbuntu California will be there01:27
blkperlbkerensa: if by fine product you mean insecure package that lives in universe with no support from the Ubuntu Security Team then yes it is a "fine insecure prodcut"01:29
bkerensablkperl: that is not phpmyadmin's fault it is purely a lack of enough volunteers to maintain it01:29
bkerensaphpmyadmin ships on tens if not hundreds of thousands of servers worldwide01:30
blkperlright and on the all the ubuntu installs there multiple CVE's that can be exploited01:30
bkerensablkperl: generally phpmyadmin is not popular on Ubuntu servers01:31
blkperldid you have data to back that claim up? :)01:31
bkerensaone of the reasons that cPanel will not support Debian or Ubuntu is because many of the packages necessary for cPanel/WHM are not maintained01:31
bkerensablkperl: sure01:31
bkerensaEver cpanel server in the world has phpmyadmin01:32
bkerensacpanel is only supported on RHEL and CentOS01:32
bkerensathere are undoubtedly more RHEL based servers running phpmyadmin as a result of that then Ubuntu01:32
bkerensablkperl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhpMyAdmin01:34
bkerensaPhpmyadmin was at one point one of the most popular php applications01:34
MarkDudebkerensa, - no I dont want to get a pass, I just have heard you say good things about them.01:36
* MarkDude thinks it would be worth his time to crash a social event for it01:36
bkerensaMarkDude: they are a good company01:36
bkerensathey do a lot of great work in the open source and startup scene and I enjoy working with them01:37
MarkDudeWhen are you coming down this way?01:37
bkerensaMarkDude: Not till next year01:39
MarkDudeSmall chance I may travel up that way01:40
MarkDudeAny conferences I can use as an excuse?01:40
bkerensauhh idk :) using conferences as an excuse for free travel and vacation on Fedora's dime isnt cool though ;p01:43
MarkDudeDisagree.01:46
MarkDudeIt is the ultimate in cool.01:47
* MarkDude proposes idea, group decides if it is worth the money, and voting sorta happens01:47
MarkDudeIf they were to go for all of my ideas, then it might not be cool, - I assure there is oversight.01:48
cy1I need an email auto-responder...19:11
cy1where you email it with a PGP key ID and it emails you back an informational text, including the public key.19:11
cy1Or whatever.19:11
bkerensamake one19:11
bkerensa:P19:11
blkperlbkerensa: does the server have an idrac?19:13
bkerensanathwill: ^19:13
bkerensablkperl: it is possible I believe it was an option for the 1950 but I didnt specifically look... nathwill has the box and would have to check19:15
bkerensaa DRAC would be nice19:15
nathwilleh?19:17
nathwilli don't know offhand if it's got a drac. i'll check it tonite19:19
cy1bkerensa: yeah, that takes a server though... I don't got one of those.19:20
cy1I did make such a responder once. Let's see if I can pull up the code...19:21
cy1ahaha it's in C no less19:22
bkerensacy1: it does not you could setup a mail server on your laptop19:37
cy1bkerensa: yeah, but the ISP says they don't allow servers.19:37
bkerensacy1: psh19:38
bkerensacy1: what ISP?19:38
cy1bkerensa: Frontier19:38
bkerensalol19:38
bkerensaso does Comcast19:38
cy1Yeah.19:38
cy1And Verizon.19:38
cy1And AT&T, and19:38
cy1Cox19:38
nathwillany isp that serves residential19:38
cy1uh...19:38
cy1don't know any others19:38
bkerensayeah but people do it all day long19:38
cy1nathwill: residential is a filthy epithet!19:39
nathwillcy1, i concur19:39
nathwillso is client/server19:39
cy1<319:39
cy1p2p4evr19:39
nathwilllong live the network of peers19:39
cy1I just hope cjdns takes off... it brings the p2p back into Internets.19:40
nathwilli think mobile-powered mesh networking is the next big jump19:43
cy1Well, small assist at least. You can't beat the power of big fat underground cables.19:43
nathwilltrue dat. hard to visit europe-based sites without leaving mobile19:44
nathwillnot without waiting a few weeks19:44
cy1Just got to keep goons from squatting on 'em and charging a premium toll or they beat us up.19:46
cy1Sorry, I mean gotta keep totally legitimate service providers from accidentally instituting anti-server data policies that might inadvertently force people to be blind consumers, totally on accident.19:47
cy1will someone please shoot me20:34
cy1I edited a patch file in emacs, and it stripped all trailing whitespace, invalidating the patch.20:34
cy1instead of copying the ~ backup to the patch file via cp, I edited the ~ backup in emacs, then saved it to the patch file. Stripping all trailing whitespace, overwriting the backup, invalidating the patch.20:35
nathwilldoh20:43
nathwill*cough* vim *cough*20:43
cy1thank goodness for git am --ignore-whitespace20:43
cy1nathwill: actually I told emacs to delete trailing whitespace all by myself in ~/.emacs ...20:44
cy1so20:44
cy1now I told emacs not to do so in diff-mode.20:44
nathwilllolz20:44
cy1so not really its fault20:44
nathwillit seems like a good practice to me..20:44
c_smithhello20:44
nathwillgreetings :)20:45
cy1How do you get vim to delete trailing whitespace, and not to do so for patches?20:45
cy1emacs does it every time the file is saved, if that helps...20:45
c_smithyay.... sound converter crashed. >.<20:45
nathwill2 secs in google says: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Remove_unwanted_spaces#Automatically_removing_all_trailing_whitespace20:46
nathwillreplace * with *.fileext to apply to20:47
nathwillpersonally, i don't bother20:47
nathwilli just don't add trailing white space..20:48
cy1nathwill: thank you!20:52
cy1editing other people's code you run into a lot of trailing whitespace, and blank lines with just whitespace...20:52
cy1also I have to foil the Illuminati plot to control our computers via code hidden in whitespace fragments20:53
c_smithcy1, that's what they WANT you to think, is that you can foil the plot just by doing that.21:02
c_smith>.>21:02
cy1c_smith: stay out of my head, metal man!21:03
c_smithxDDDD21:03
c_smithif by metal you mean the music.....21:03
cy1anyway bkerensa https://gitorious.org/cyhax/pgpresponder/blobs/master/main.c21:07
cy1And that's as much as I can do. :/21:07
cy1Imma try to go to Brainsilo this afternoon.23:11
bkerensathats always fun23:28

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