[00:17] <phawx> So, this might be a nubish question...figured this would be a good spot
[00:19] <phawx> Im thinking about going back to Ubuntu from windows, but I tend to play WoW every so often...how's that run within Ubuntu and Wine? or is there a better alternative to Wine?
[00:45] <MarkDude> bkerensa, whats the deal with Puppet Labs?
[00:45]  * MarkDude asks due to upcoming Puppetconf in SF
[00:45] <MarkDude> Other Fedorans have passes (unlike myself)
[00:53] <blkperl> bkerensa: if your looking at phpmyadmin your doing it wrong :)
[01:26] <bkerensa> blkperl: I usually use MySQL Workbench but either way PHPmyadmin is a fine product
[01:26] <bkerensa> MarkDude: What do you mean?
[01:27] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Maybe you should ask them for one but last time I checked they dont just give them out
[01:27] <bkerensa> Ubuntu California will be there
[01:29] <blkperl> bkerensa: if by fine product you mean insecure package that lives in universe with no support from the Ubuntu Security Team then yes it is a "fine insecure prodcut"
[01:29] <bkerensa> blkperl: that is not phpmyadmin's fault it is purely a lack of enough volunteers to maintain it
[01:30] <bkerensa> phpmyadmin ships on tens if not hundreds of thousands of servers worldwide
[01:30] <blkperl> right and on the all the ubuntu installs there multiple CVE's that can be exploited
[01:31] <bkerensa> blkperl: generally phpmyadmin is not popular on Ubuntu servers
[01:31] <blkperl> did you have data to back that claim up? :)
[01:31] <bkerensa> one of the reasons that cPanel will not support Debian or Ubuntu is because many of the packages necessary for cPanel/WHM are not maintained
[01:31] <bkerensa> blkperl: sure
[01:32] <bkerensa> Ever cpanel server in the world has phpmyadmin
[01:32] <bkerensa> cpanel is only supported on RHEL and CentOS
[01:32] <bkerensa> there are undoubtedly more RHEL based servers running phpmyadmin as a result of that then Ubuntu
[01:34] <bkerensa> blkperl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhpMyAdmin
[01:34] <bkerensa> Phpmyadmin was at one point one of the most popular php applications
[01:36] <MarkDude> bkerensa, - no I dont want to get a pass, I just have heard you say good things about them.
[01:36]  * MarkDude thinks it would be worth his time to crash a social event for it
[01:36] <bkerensa> MarkDude: they are a good company
[01:37] <bkerensa> they do a lot of great work in the open source and startup scene and I enjoy working with them
[01:37] <MarkDude> When are you coming down this way?
[01:39] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Not till next year
[01:40] <MarkDude> Small chance I may travel up that way
[01:40] <MarkDude> Any conferences I can use as an excuse?
[01:43] <bkerensa> uhh idk :) using conferences as an excuse for free travel and vacation on Fedora's dime isnt cool though ;p
[01:46] <MarkDude> Disagree.
[01:47] <MarkDude> It is the ultimate in cool.
[01:47]  * MarkDude proposes idea, group decides if it is worth the money, and voting sorta happens
[01:48] <MarkDude> If they were to go for all of my ideas, then it might not be cool, - I assure there is oversight.
[19:11] <cy1> I need an email auto-responder...
[19:11] <cy1> where you email it with a PGP key ID and it emails you back an informational text, including the public key.
[19:11] <cy1> Or whatever.
[19:11] <bkerensa> make one
[19:11] <bkerensa> :P
[19:13] <blkperl> bkerensa: does the server have an idrac?
[19:13] <bkerensa> nathwill: ^
[19:15] <bkerensa> blkperl: it is possible I believe it was an option for the 1950 but I didnt specifically look... nathwill has the box and would have to check
[19:15] <bkerensa> a DRAC would be nice
[19:17] <nathwill> eh?
[19:19] <nathwill> i don't know offhand if it's got a drac. i'll check it tonite
[19:20] <cy1> bkerensa: yeah, that takes a server though... I don't got one of those.
[19:21] <cy1> I did make such a responder once. Let's see if I can pull up the code...
[19:22] <cy1> ahaha it's in C no less
[19:37] <bkerensa> cy1: it does not you could setup a mail server on your laptop
[19:37] <cy1> bkerensa: yeah, but the ISP says they don't allow servers.
[19:38] <bkerensa> cy1: psh
[19:38] <bkerensa> cy1: what ISP?
[19:38] <cy1> bkerensa: Frontier
[19:38] <bkerensa> lol
[19:38] <bkerensa> so does Comcast
[19:38] <cy1> Yeah.
[19:38] <cy1> And Verizon.
[19:38] <cy1> And AT&T, and
[19:38] <cy1> Cox
[19:38] <nathwill> any isp that serves residential
[19:38] <cy1> uh...
[19:38] <cy1> don't know any others
[19:38] <bkerensa> yeah but people do it all day long
[19:39] <cy1> nathwill: residential is a filthy epithet!
[19:39] <nathwill> cy1, i concur
[19:39] <nathwill> so is client/server
[19:39] <cy1> <3
[19:39] <cy1> p2p4evr
[19:39] <nathwill> long live the network of peers
[19:40] <cy1> I just hope cjdns takes off... it brings the p2p back into Internets.
[19:43] <nathwill> i think mobile-powered mesh networking is the next big jump
[19:43] <cy1> Well, small assist at least. You can't beat the power of big fat underground cables.
[19:44] <nathwill> true dat. hard to visit europe-based sites without leaving mobile
[19:44] <nathwill> not without waiting a few weeks
[19:46] <cy1> Just got to keep goons from squatting on 'em and charging a premium toll or they beat us up.
[19:47] <cy1> Sorry, I mean gotta keep totally legitimate service providers from accidentally instituting anti-server data policies that might inadvertently force people to be blind consumers, totally on accident.
[20:34] <cy1> will someone please shoot me
[20:34] <cy1> I edited a patch file in emacs, and it stripped all trailing whitespace, invalidating the patch.
[20:35] <cy1> instead of copying the ~ backup to the patch file via cp, I edited the ~ backup in emacs, then saved it to the patch file. Stripping all trailing whitespace, overwriting the backup, invalidating the patch.
[20:43] <nathwill> doh
[20:43] <nathwill> *cough* vim *cough*
[20:43] <cy1> thank goodness for git am --ignore-whitespace
[20:44] <cy1> nathwill: actually I told emacs to delete trailing whitespace all by myself in ~/.emacs ...
[20:44] <cy1> so
[20:44] <cy1> now I told emacs not to do so in diff-mode.
[20:44] <nathwill> lolz
[20:44] <cy1> so not really its fault
[20:44] <nathwill> it seems like a good practice to me..
[20:44] <c_smith> hello
[20:45] <nathwill> greetings :)
[20:45] <cy1> How do you get vim to delete trailing whitespace, and not to do so for patches?
[20:45] <cy1> emacs does it every time the file is saved, if that helps...
[20:45] <c_smith> yay.... sound converter crashed. >.<
[20:46] <nathwill> 2 secs in google says: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Remove_unwanted_spaces#Automatically_removing_all_trailing_whitespace
[20:47] <nathwill> replace * with *.fileext to apply to
[20:47] <nathwill> personally, i don't bother
[20:48] <nathwill> i just don't add trailing white space..
[20:52] <cy1> nathwill: thank you!
[20:52] <cy1> editing other people's code you run into a lot of trailing whitespace, and blank lines with just whitespace...
[20:53] <cy1> also I have to foil the Illuminati plot to control our computers via code hidden in whitespace fragments
[21:02] <c_smith> cy1, that's what they WANT you to think, is that you can foil the plot just by doing that.
[21:02] <c_smith> >.>
[21:03] <cy1> c_smith: stay out of my head, metal man!
[21:03] <c_smith> xDDDD
[21:03] <c_smith> if by metal you mean the music.....
[21:07] <cy1> anyway bkerensa https://gitorious.org/cyhax/pgpresponder/blobs/master/main.c
[21:07] <cy1> And that's as much as I can do. :/
[23:11] <cy1> Imma try to go to Brainsilo this afternoon.
[23:28] <bkerensa> thats always fun