[00:17] So, this might be a nubish question...figured this would be a good spot [00:19] Im thinking about going back to Ubuntu from windows, but I tend to play WoW every so often...how's that run within Ubuntu and Wine? or is there a better alternative to Wine? [00:45] bkerensa, whats the deal with Puppet Labs? [00:45] * MarkDude asks due to upcoming Puppetconf in SF [00:45] Other Fedorans have passes (unlike myself) [00:53] bkerensa: if your looking at phpmyadmin your doing it wrong :) [01:26] blkperl: I usually use MySQL Workbench but either way PHPmyadmin is a fine product [01:26] MarkDude: What do you mean? [01:27] MarkDude: Maybe you should ask them for one but last time I checked they dont just give them out [01:27] Ubuntu California will be there [01:29] bkerensa: if by fine product you mean insecure package that lives in universe with no support from the Ubuntu Security Team then yes it is a "fine insecure prodcut" [01:29] blkperl: that is not phpmyadmin's fault it is purely a lack of enough volunteers to maintain it [01:30] phpmyadmin ships on tens if not hundreds of thousands of servers worldwide [01:30] right and on the all the ubuntu installs there multiple CVE's that can be exploited [01:31] blkperl: generally phpmyadmin is not popular on Ubuntu servers [01:31] did you have data to back that claim up? :) [01:31] one of the reasons that cPanel will not support Debian or Ubuntu is because many of the packages necessary for cPanel/WHM are not maintained [01:31] blkperl: sure [01:32] Ever cpanel server in the world has phpmyadmin [01:32] cpanel is only supported on RHEL and CentOS [01:32] there are undoubtedly more RHEL based servers running phpmyadmin as a result of that then Ubuntu [01:34] blkperl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhpMyAdmin [01:34] Phpmyadmin was at one point one of the most popular php applications [01:36] bkerensa, - no I dont want to get a pass, I just have heard you say good things about them. [01:36] * MarkDude thinks it would be worth his time to crash a social event for it [01:36] MarkDude: they are a good company [01:37] they do a lot of great work in the open source and startup scene and I enjoy working with them [01:37] When are you coming down this way? [01:39] MarkDude: Not till next year [01:40] Small chance I may travel up that way [01:40] Any conferences I can use as an excuse? [01:43] uhh idk :) using conferences as an excuse for free travel and vacation on Fedora's dime isnt cool though ;p [01:46] Disagree. [01:47] It is the ultimate in cool. [01:47] * MarkDude proposes idea, group decides if it is worth the money, and voting sorta happens [01:48] If they were to go for all of my ideas, then it might not be cool, - I assure there is oversight. [19:11] I need an email auto-responder... [19:11] where you email it with a PGP key ID and it emails you back an informational text, including the public key. [19:11] Or whatever. [19:11] make one [19:11] :P [19:13] bkerensa: does the server have an idrac? [19:13] nathwill: ^ [19:15] blkperl: it is possible I believe it was an option for the 1950 but I didnt specifically look... nathwill has the box and would have to check [19:15] a DRAC would be nice [19:17] eh? [19:19] i don't know offhand if it's got a drac. i'll check it tonite [19:20] bkerensa: yeah, that takes a server though... I don't got one of those. [19:21] I did make such a responder once. Let's see if I can pull up the code... [19:22] ahaha it's in C no less [19:37] cy1: it does not you could setup a mail server on your laptop [19:37] bkerensa: yeah, but the ISP says they don't allow servers. [19:38] cy1: psh [19:38] cy1: what ISP? [19:38] bkerensa: Frontier [19:38] lol [19:38] so does Comcast [19:38] Yeah. [19:38] And Verizon. [19:38] And AT&T, and [19:38] Cox [19:38] any isp that serves residential [19:38] uh... [19:38] don't know any others [19:38] yeah but people do it all day long [19:39] nathwill: residential is a filthy epithet! [19:39] cy1, i concur [19:39] so is client/server [19:39] <3 [19:39] p2p4evr [19:39] long live the network of peers [19:40] I just hope cjdns takes off... it brings the p2p back into Internets. [19:43] i think mobile-powered mesh networking is the next big jump [19:43] Well, small assist at least. You can't beat the power of big fat underground cables. [19:44] true dat. hard to visit europe-based sites without leaving mobile [19:44] not without waiting a few weeks [19:46] Just got to keep goons from squatting on 'em and charging a premium toll or they beat us up. [19:47] Sorry, I mean gotta keep totally legitimate service providers from accidentally instituting anti-server data policies that might inadvertently force people to be blind consumers, totally on accident. [20:34] will someone please shoot me [20:34] I edited a patch file in emacs, and it stripped all trailing whitespace, invalidating the patch. [20:35] instead of copying the ~ backup to the patch file via cp, I edited the ~ backup in emacs, then saved it to the patch file. Stripping all trailing whitespace, overwriting the backup, invalidating the patch. [20:43] doh [20:43] *cough* vim *cough* [20:43] thank goodness for git am --ignore-whitespace [20:44] nathwill: actually I told emacs to delete trailing whitespace all by myself in ~/.emacs ... [20:44] so [20:44] now I told emacs not to do so in diff-mode. [20:44] lolz [20:44] so not really its fault [20:44] it seems like a good practice to me.. [20:44] hello [20:45] greetings :) [20:45] How do you get vim to delete trailing whitespace, and not to do so for patches? [20:45] emacs does it every time the file is saved, if that helps... [20:45] yay.... sound converter crashed. >.< [20:46] 2 secs in google says: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Remove_unwanted_spaces#Automatically_removing_all_trailing_whitespace [20:47] replace * with *.fileext to apply to [20:47] personally, i don't bother [20:48] i just don't add trailing white space.. [20:52] nathwill: thank you! [20:52] editing other people's code you run into a lot of trailing whitespace, and blank lines with just whitespace... [20:53] also I have to foil the Illuminati plot to control our computers via code hidden in whitespace fragments [21:02] cy1, that's what they WANT you to think, is that you can foil the plot just by doing that. [21:02] >.> [21:03] c_smith: stay out of my head, metal man! [21:03] xDDDD [21:03] if by metal you mean the music..... [21:07] anyway bkerensa https://gitorious.org/cyhax/pgpresponder/blobs/master/main.c [21:07] And that's as much as I can do. :/ [23:11] Imma try to go to Brainsilo this afternoon. [23:28] thats always fun