[00:08] <craigbass1976> Anyone had trouble with hplip lately?  I just grabbed the latest one and can't get anything to print on either a lucid or a precise box.  Three other precise boxes though in my house print fine
[00:09] <ActionParsnip> craigbass1976: how do the systems connect to the printer?
[00:11] <Strategos> Heya hiya.
[00:12] <k4r1m> Strategos: wein?
[00:13] <k4r1m> Strategos: or fain*?
[00:13] <craigbass1976> ActionParsnip, wireless.  I think I just found out what I was doing wrong during the install.
[00:14] <Strategos> k4rlm: Pardon my ignorance, but what is Wein?  (Mein Spanisch ist viel besser dann mein Deutsch.)
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> craigbass1976: a step in the right direction, hope it's the magic bullet :)
[00:15] <MASTERPIECE> anyone know a program that I wanted to run Android applications
[00:16] <malkauns_> in byobu can u get the status bar to show stuff for any machine u ssh into? rather than just the first machine?
[00:16] <k4r1m> Strategos: it's like where, north african dialect.
[00:16] <dietrichman> looking for a method to remove unity 3d so I can just use unity 2D (on my netbook)....??
[00:17] <blackshirt> k4r1m, if you know extended partition,that is
[00:17] <Strategos> k4rlm: Interesting.  The word 'Strategos' is actually from ancient Greek (and by extension, Greek as it currently is).  The common English translation is "army general".
[00:17] <MASTERPIECE> anyone know a program that I wanted to run Android applications????
[00:18] <dietrichman> if i cant remove unity 3d on its own, is there any way to auto start unity 2d at boot up (ubuntu 12.04)....??
[00:18] <xangua> dietrichman: you don't need to remove anything, just select unity 2d in the login screen (ubuntu icon next to your username)
[00:18] <Strategos> k4rlm: I took it as my character's surname in the game Star Wars: The Old Republic, in which I played a trooper.
[00:18] <k4r1m> blackshirt: I fixed it... thank god for boot-repair
[00:18] <craigbass1976> MASTERPIECE, isn't there an sdk you can get?
[00:18] <pepperjack> MASTERPIECE: you need to an emulator or just an entire VM.  for example http://crashcourse.ca/content/android-emulator-ubuntu-1004-60-seconds
[00:19] <Wavelight> hello
[00:19] <Strategos> hello
, i understand that, since i cannot remove unity 3d, is there a script to boot automatically into 2D, instead of having to push the icon next to username?
, does it not remember your last choice of which GUI you selected?
[00:20] <Wavelight> I want to build a linux router, I am a Windows user, what yould you recomand me fast,secure, and stable ?
[00:21] <Strategos> I'm curious because it generally remembers if I've selected Gnome or Unity.
[00:21] <Wavelight> a distribution based on Ubuntu LTS
[00:21] <morgan> what program can transfer music to an ipod on ubuntu?
[00:21] <dietrichman> i am not sure to be honest, it looked like last login when i didnt hit the icon for 2d, it automatically booted into 3d.....is it supposed to boot into whatever your last session was (by default)?
[00:21] <pepperjack> Wavelight: you want to build it on a PC?  what about just openwrt firmware or something
[00:21] <Wavelight> I found Ubuntu server pretty hard to configure
[00:21] <shihan> Wavelight, personally, if i were going to do a router, i'd use either devil linux or openwrt... but 12.04 server would be fine for a router
[00:21] <Wavelight> yes, on a pc
[00:21] <Strategos> Wavelight: That really depends on how comfortable you are with the command line.
[00:22] <blackshirt> shihan,yes
[00:22] <Strategos> But I've heard some good things about the OpenWRT and some of the BSD-based solutions for firewall.
[00:22] <shihan> i really quite like x86 openwrt myself (though im not a fan of their firewall gui, the zones bit)
[00:22] <blackshirt> strategos, thats good if you could configure them correctly
[00:23] <Strategos> Blackshirt: True.  I've simply read on them a bit; I haven't done personal testing.
[00:23] <pepperjack> Wavelight: you probably will want some sort of iptable frontend then maybe shorewall?  something like that?
[00:23] <blackshirt> Strategos, and you familiar with it
[00:23] <Wavelight> can I use Ubuntu and add some intrusion prevention on it ?
[00:23] <blackshirt> wavelight,yes,sure
[00:24] <Wavelight> is there any good book for novice in Ubuntu Server?
[00:24] <Strategos> Blackshirt: Not extensively, no.  I played with FreeBSD and PC-BSD before coming to Ubuntu.  It wasn't quite was I was hoping for as a replacement for Windows.
[00:24] <Wavelight> I want to do several things
[00:24] <pepperjack> Wavelight: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router  good place to start at least
[00:24] <blackshirt> wavelight, go to help.ubuntu.com...
i am not sure to be honest, it looked like last login when i didnt hit the icon for 2d, it automatically booted into 3d.....is it supposed to boot into whatever your last session was (by default)?
[00:25] <Strategos> Blackshirt: I'm treating my conversion much like I did when I started with PCs back in the early 90's.  I kept mostly in the GUI until I was comfortable doing what I needed in the command line.  I /may/ switch to something BSD-based at that point.  Time will tell.
[00:25] <rob_p> dietrichman: Have you tried editing /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf with, "user-session=ubuntu-2d" in place of, "user-session=ubuntu" yet?
[00:25] <Wavelight> like traffic shaping, intrusion prevention, log all activity, etc
[00:25] <blackshirt> strategos, i think,. Best suite for replacing your windows was ubuntu or mint, or fedora .... That was easy use distro
 good suggestion, I will try it....thanks
 Based on how you phrased your question - I'm curious: do you have Ubuntu logging you in automatically?
nope, have it set to enter my password for login
[00:27] <blackshirt> strategos, you can all command line on linux ...
[00:27] <Strategos> Blackshirt: That was my thinking too.  I had simply found Ubuntu before I had heard of Mint.  I'll admit that Fedora isn't something I had looked into with much seriousness.
[00:27] <Strategos> Blackshirt: Yes, I know.  It's very powerful, which is one of the reasons it attracts me over the Microsoft rendition of MacOS.
[00:27] <krios> where does google chrome store file downloads?
[00:27] <Wavelight> please tell me, if you could let-s say to put some comand and tell the Ubuntu Server not to accept any login for 1 year, it would be more secure as a router ?
[00:27] <krios> i was downloading a zip of gifs i found on reddit.
 Right on.  But yes, my experience is that Ubuntu remembered my preference.
[00:28] <krios> said my hard disk is full
[00:28] <Strategos> Krios: /home/username/Downloads
[00:28] <blackshirt> krios, in your Downloads dir on your home dir
[00:28] <krios> Strategos: even if it doesn't complete?
[00:28] <krios> its not in /var/.... somethin
[00:28] <Wavelight> is it possible to block any login for a period of time in Ubuntu Server ?
[00:29] <Strategos> Wavelight: I don't believe that it would be a good idea to prevent a login of any sort for any specied period of time.
[00:29] <MASTERPIECE> now how to install some  android  aplication
[00:29] <krios> Strategos: thanks
[00:29] <krios> blackshirt: thanks
[00:29] <blackshirt> wavelight, what do you mean with block login?
[00:29] <Strategos> Krios - you're welcome.
[00:29] <rob_p> Wavelight: That's not the right approach, really.
[00:30] <blackshirt> wavelight, tehnically,you can prevent user to login
[00:30] <Strategos> Wavelight: You might have better luck setting rules that only permit login from console, rather than from, oh, TTY (an SSH connection).
[00:30] <pepperjack> Wavelight: you might be happier looking at some of the x86 router distros.  I'm sure there are some nice ones
[00:30] <Wavelight> well, I-am not an expert on it security, but I gues if I would somehow find a way to block any attempt to loging to my Ubuntu Server it would me more secure, I think
[00:30] <Strategos> Wavelight: And Blackshirt's right.  One way to prevent any login is to set all users to log into some bogus shell.
[00:31] <dbdavis> #ardour
[00:31] <Strategos> Wavelight: True, but if something goes wonky with the operating system, you're quite screwed - you won't be able to fix it.
[00:31] <Strategos> Short of reinstalling, that is.
[00:31] <Wavelight> I could keep close a pc for a quick replacement, I need only for routing
[00:32] <Wavelight> bogus shell, please exaplin
[00:32] <Strategos> Wavelight: Well, I'll use an example.  Let's say that by default, Ubuntu sets all new users up to log into a "bash" shell.
[00:32] <Wavelight> Strategos- bogus shell means ...
[00:32] <Strategos> Wavelight: Shells are akin to the command prompt in Windows.
[00:33] <Strategos> Wavelight: Each Linux shell (ch, bash, and so on) has a slightly different layout and interaction.
[00:33] <blackshirt> wavelight, you can build a router with ubuntu,exactly, but maybe better if you very new on ubuntu/linux, use dedicated router distro that available on the internet
[00:33] <Strategos> Wavelight: Rather than having users log in and be able to access Bash (CMD for Windows), you put them in something like NOTEPAD.EXE.
[00:33] <Wavelight> yes, sure that comand line is far more powerfull, it-s harder untill you learn it
[00:34] <Strategos> Wavelight: So they can't feasibly do anything that would be "bad" for the system.
[00:34] <Strategos> Wavelight: Well, that's subjective. ;)
[00:34] <Strategos> Wavelight: "Hard" is based on how motivated you are to learn it and how experienced you are with command line interface before getting into it.
[00:34] <PaloDelCalo> porcelle notturne vogliose a me!
[00:35] <Strategos> Wavelight: DOS (and the Windows command prompt) are something I spent the last 20 years using, so I'm not uncomfortable learning it.  But I can't stand VI.
[00:35] <Strategos> Wavelight: But alas, everyone knows VI.  So I'm learning it.
[00:35] <Strategos> VI is one of the few constants in the *nix world. :)
[00:36] <Wavelight> I-ve had a pc with dos for about an year or so, anyway comand line is a for sure for people that know what they are doing
[00:36] <Wavelight> to be honest, desktop distros are brainwasing users
[00:36] <Wavelight> :}
[00:37] <Strategos> Wavelight: Aye, it's a powerful tool to know how to use.  some of my coworkers rave about the new powershell that Microsoft rolled out too.
[00:37] <Wavelight> easy, but you have no ideea what- behind it
[00:37] <Strategos> Wavelight: They're lowering their expectations of what end users need to know how to do; "dumbing down".  When I saw Windows 7, I wanted to migrate.  When I saw Windows 8, I knew I was migrating.
[00:39] <Strategos> So a Linux admin, a PC user, and a Mac user walk into a bar.  The bartender asks, "What is this, a joke?"
[00:40] <sarsaeol> i like that the linux is an admin, but the pc and mac are just users
[00:40] <sarsaeol> ha
[00:40] <Wavelight> :}
[00:41] <Wavelight> Strategos, I-ve had an ideea about how you can point if a system is hacked or no, it-s a very simple ideea
[00:42] <Wavelight> please listen
[00:42] <Wavelight> I don-t know about nothing of informatincs
[00:42] <Wavelight> but
[00:43] <Code_Bleu> can someone help me figure out why my computer just randomly locks up? sometimes it gives me a kernel panic screen, other times it just locks up and monitor is blank and leds flash on keyboard (scroll and caps)  I have tried looking at all the /var/log files but i can find anything
[00:43] <blackshirt> wavelight,change the login shell to nologin shell,
[00:43] <Wavelight> if all the web pages would have a ""fingerprint"" like www.ubuntu.com has exactly 1 mb for example
[00:43] <Code_Bleu> i have ran memtest, hd test, and have upgraded from JeOS 9.04 server to 12.04
[00:44] <Strategos> Code_Bleu: My first guess would be that it's an issue with your RAM.  Specifically, the RAM and the motherboard aren't getting along.  Either it's mismatched speeds on the sticks, or the RAM sticks aren't compatible with the motherbard.
[00:44] <Strategos> My next guess would be a video card issue.
[00:44] <Wavelight> and I measure the exact amount of transfer beetween the pc and the server, I would see for sure if a few bits are added or no
[00:45] <Code_Bleu> Strategos: this is a server that i have had for a while now and it has always worked. Im wanting to say atleast 2 or 3 years
[00:46] <pepperjack> Code_Bleu: did you see this in 9.04 as well or not until you upgraded?
[00:46] <Strategos> Wavelight: If I had to guess, IP transfer traffic will always have a slightly higher count for bits/bytes because of header information.
[00:46] <Vermicelli> I'm having trouble getting my Humble Bundle to install with Ubuntu Software Center. I get a "Not Found," for each title, which oddly enough while not found may or may not have ratings.
[00:46] <Code_Bleu> Strategos: it just started doing this, and nothing had changed that im aware of. This server just runs and i hadnt done any updates to it...it runs vbox and one vm on there...thats it
[00:46] <Vermicelli> http://i.imgur.com/GkUyX.png
[00:47] <Strategos> Code_Bleu: Thank you for the clarification on that.  That is certainly unusual.
[00:47] <Code_Bleu> pepperjack: no, i did all the upgrading to see if it would fix the issue.  I had been on 9.04 since it came out and it has worked forever...just in the past few weeks has it randomly started crashing...and it seems to be getting worse
[00:47] <aguitel_> the fan is not stop in my laptop ,how fix this?
[00:48] <Wavelight> yes, I understand, but it-s possible to take them into account with great precision, no ?
[00:48] <Strategos> Atuitel: Replace the fan.
[00:48] <Strategos> Atuitel: It's not uncommon for fans to stop working.  They're not overly expensive parts.
[00:48] <Strategos> Atuitel: If you're paying someone to do it, you're likely to spend more in labor than the actual part.
[00:49] <Code_Bleu> i have ran smarttools to check the hd and it comes back ok., i have ran fsck on all the partitions..and its good.  i ran memtest, but not for a long time. Usually bad memory is detected right away
[00:49] <blackshirt> code_bleu, what the messages appears when your kernel panic lastly?
[00:49] <Strategos> Wavelight: Probably.  To be honest, I don't specialize in this area.  So I don't know that I could give you an answer that would be overly helpful.
[00:49] <Vermicelli> I think aguitel_ said the fan doesn't stop running, not that it has stopped.
[00:50] <Code_Bleu> i just wished i knew how to get the dumps/logs so i could troubleshoot it...however im not finding anything usefull in /var/log/message /var/log/syslog/ ..etc.
[00:50] <pepperjack> Code_Bleu: well if you saw it between that many versions then its a hardware issue of some sort.  once I noticed that all the video on one of my pcs had artifacts all of a sudden.  I did everything to figure out what the problem was with what driver.  turned out it was one of the cores id unlocked in bios on my cpu.  worked for 2 years and then all of a sudden caused problems
[00:50] <Code_Bleu> blackshirt: the last 10+ times i dont get a panic...just black monitor..monitor led flashes...and sometimes the keyboard has scroll lock and caps lock flashing..i just have to hit the power button and reboot
[00:51] <Wavelight> Strategos- no problem, I was just wondering if all the webpages and all the services on the internet would have some special syncronisation it would be very very dificult for hacker to act in silence
[00:51] <blackshirt> code_bleu, can you switch to other console, i mean hit ctrl+alt+f2 for example
[00:52] <Wavelight> for example I open a webapge, I don-t know what size it has and what contains
[00:52] <Strategos> Wavelight: Aye.  Though keep in mind, most of your would-be hackers are "script kiddies".
[00:52] <Code_Bleu> blackshirt: no..its a complete lock up..no ssh..etc
[00:52] <Wavelight> it-s a jungle
[00:52] <Strategos> Welcome to the jungle.  We got fun and games.
[00:52] <Strategos> Suddenly, I realize that I feel old.
[00:53] <Strategos> Wow.  I've quoted an old man's song.
[00:53] <Wavelight> no problem, I use someking of freez for my operating system
[00:53] <Wavelight> :}
[00:53] <Strategos> :}
[00:53] <Wavelight> I have no problems with hackers
[00:53] <blackshirt> code_bleu, is your magic sysrq functioning?
[00:53] <PatrickJameson> hey all, I'm attempting to change my xorg config to turn off my laptop screen when there's an external monitor attached
[00:54] <PatrickJameson> here's my config file: http://pastie.org/4756857
[00:54] <PatrickJameson> I changed line 51/52
[00:54] <blackshirt> wavelight, exactly, i don't understand what is your need..sure
[00:54] <PatrickJameson> it seems to work when I'm on the log in screen
[00:54] <Strategos> Hackers have a purpose, sort of like predators do.  They point out where our weaknesses are, and provide us an opportunity to learn. There's even a certification for Certified EthicalHacker.
[00:54] <PatrickJameson> but as soon as I log in, it switches back to my laptop screen
[00:54] <Wavelight> by the way, Strategos, please tell me if I can use some king of freez for Ubuntu Server
[00:55] <aguitel_> Vermicelli,and the raviole ?
[00:55] <Code_Bleu> blackshirt: whats that?
[00:55] <blackshirt> patrickjameson, i think you messed up some file on your home dir
[00:55] <PatrickJameson> which file do you think that is?
[00:56] <PatrickJameson> I backed up the one in /etc/X11 and edited that one
[00:56] <Strategos> Wavelight: If you're using Ubuntu server, you have it covered like a jimmy hat.
[00:56] <blackshirt> code_blue, thats internal linux mechanism to allow the panic kernel to do some safe step
[00:57] <PatrickJameson> ...actually if there's an xorg config file in my home dir will it over ride?
[00:57] <PatrickJameson> cause that's where I happened to back it up ;D
[00:57] <Code_Bleu> blackshirt: so when it locks up again, just press that key on keyboard?
[00:57] <Wavelight> I don-t user a Ubuntu Server, I don-t understand you have covered like a jimmy hat
[00:57] <Wavelight> lol
[00:59] <blackshirt> code_blue, yes, some combinatorial keyboard keys with sysrq(print screen key on some keyboard)..google it for more information
[01:00] <Code_Bleu> blackshirt: googling now :)
[01:00] <zykotick9> !reisub | Code_Bleu
[01:00] <blackshirt> code_blue, you should find a lot of informations
[01:02] <Code_Bleu> zykotick9: thanks. im assuming this is only for soft lock ups?
[01:02] <craigbass1976> Ok, I give up.  I installed hplip off the hplip open source site, and everything looks like it went hunky dory.  Whenever I print though, I get some message about a required plugin not found.  I've done a sudo hp-plugin again, everything looked fine, and still no printing wiht the same error
[01:02] <Code_Bleu> zykotick9: this is good to know for cleanly shutting down or rebooting, but how do i figure out what caused the lock up in the first place?
[01:03] <PatrickJameson> blackshirt: do you have any ideas as to which file might be screwing with me
[01:03] <PatrickJameson> ?
[01:03] <zykotick9> Code_Bleu: don't know how you can find out cause...  only use reisub for emergencies, not just regular shutdown/reboot!
[01:04] <blackshirt> patrickjameson, ls -la your home dir, and look at .ICEauthority files .... Is that files owned by root?
[01:05] <Code_Bleu> zykotick9: yes i understand only use this for emergency when pc is locked up.  right now ive just been hitting power button and turning back on.  Im not worried about clean shutdown, i want to figure out why it doing this in the first place and i cant find any logs saying what is causing it.
[01:06] <zykotick9> Code_Bleu: i know ubuntu uses 2 logs for kernel these days (but i'm affraid i don't know the names)
[01:06] <blackshirt> code_blue, maybe you want to look at dmesg log, boot log, syslog, messages
[01:07] <zykotick9> Code_Bleu: syslog and messages i guess... so you probably already checked them...
[01:07] <PatrickJameson> blackshirt: no
[01:07] <PatrickJameson> owned by me
[01:07] <Code_Bleu> blackshirt: i have :(
[01:08] <Code_Bleu> blackshirt: when it kernel panics / locks up...does it actually write something to a log?  do i need to configure something so it will?
[01:08] <blackshirt> code_blue, are you using desktop or server version?
[01:08] <Code_Bleu> blackshirt: can i possible get this info from using the sysrq key combo?
[01:09] <Code_Bleu> blackshirt: server JeOS
[01:10] <Wavelight> Strategos, thank you very much for your informations, have a nice evening
[01:10] <Wavelight> all the best
[01:11] <blackshirt> code_blue... I don't think so..thats way for emmergency lock ups.. I don't know that was logged or not
[01:12] <aguitel_> how install java
[01:12] <zykotick9> !java | aguitel_
[01:12] <Code_Bleu> blackshirt: my setup is: JeOS server (12.04 now) with virtualbox running, i have one vm (pfsense) that is used as my router/firewall.  so needless to say, it sucks when this server crashes..i have to bring it back up and google..:)
[01:15] <Code_Bleu> im not running anything else that i can think of on the ubuntu host server..just whatever is needed for vbox.  This is why i said earlier, that nothing should have changed...if this is up and my router is working, i dont mess with it.
[01:15] <blackshirt> code_blue, maybe thats related some hardware interupt issues .. You should analyze them
[01:16] <Floorduck> I had installed linux on the laptop I am about to return. Using a liveCD of lubuntu, I just deleted the old linux partitions. When I send it back, will it still be clear enough that linux had been installed for them to notice?
[01:17] <Floorduck> Should I create and format this newly freed space and then delete the new partition?
[01:18] <Code_Bleu> blackshirt: what do you mean? what is related to hardware interupt issues?
[01:18] <examancer> Floorduck: Most manufacturers will not refuse returns or warranty service because you messed with the OS
[01:18] <|Anthony|> what is the dev chan?
[01:19] <Floorduck> alrighty, I'd just like to make sure
[01:19] <blackshirt> code_blue, i mean, maybe some hardware issue that couldn'tt handle correctly..i don't exactly
[01:19] <Floorduck> and still, I'd be curious to know the answer just out of curiosity :)
[01:19] <blackshirt> i dont know exactly
[01:19] <examancer> Floorduck: but, they have no reason to try and examine what you put on it. Removing the partitions will be sufficient to make it way more effort to find out than they would ever exert.
[01:19] <Floorduck> okay, I have a new problem :P
[01:19] <Floorduck> So I just deleted the partitions and I've rebooted...
[01:20] <Floorduck> It says: "error: no such partition"
[01:20] <examancer> As someone who's worked for a computer manufacturer and done service work, I guarantee they are going to re-image it anyways.
[01:20] <PatrickJameson> blackshirt: it was owned by me. is that a good thing?
[01:21] <Floorduck> "grub rescue>"
[01:21] <Code_Bleu> blackshirt: i know i could just start replacing stuff ( video card, nic's, mem...etc, but 1. i dont have extra of everything, 2. that would be a pain to do.  I just wished i had some logs or something that pointed me to an area first
[01:22] <Code_Bleu> blackshirt: what about cpu? is there any recommendations on testing if the cpu is going bad?  Ive always been under the impression that cpus either work or they dont though
[01:24] <blackshirt> code_blue, what machine are you using? Xb6?
[01:24] <blackshirt> i mean x86
[01:24] <examancer> Code_Bleu: They can have various errata that either do or do not affect accuracy, performance, heat, etc.
[01:25] <Code_Bleu> yes, x86 hp d530 cmt
[01:25] <Code_Bleu> examancer: true
[01:25] <examancer> Code_Bleu: you just need to use process of elimination. Move the CPU to another computer if you can find one that is the same socket. Test the RAM, test using a new Heatsink/Fan, or maybe just the grease/adhesive
[01:26] <blackshirt> code_blue, is that lock ups too on single mode user?
[01:26] <Code_Bleu> blackshirt: yes
[01:26] <examancer> if the CPU doesn't act up in another computer, its probably not the CPU
[01:27] <Code_Bleu> examancer: i dont have the extra equip. to test. im pretty sure its not over heating too.  ram has been tested for a few min with memtest
[01:27] <blackshirt> code_blue... You should analyze your log recorded,
[01:27] <examancer> Floorduck: so you still have GRUB on your master boot record it looks like?
[01:28] <Code_Bleu> blackshirt: i will again, but i have looked at all of them and searched for panic, kernel...etc and have found nothing...i will keep looking though
[01:28] <blackshirt> i have experiences with some issues like yours,but maybe thats was different
[01:28] <examancer> Code_Bleu: I'd recommend letting the memtest do at least 1 complete test cycle
[01:29] <examancer> I've had bad RAM that didn't show errors in memtest until near the end of a test cycle
[01:29] <Floorduck> I guess so... what should I do?
[01:29] <examancer> so the first 10 minutes everything would be fine, but then closer to the end it would fail
[01:29] <blackshirt> code_blue... And check your all cable, disk, memory, etc..and everything on place correctly
[01:29] <netito> QUIEN HABLA ESPAÑOL
[01:29] <ampd> anyone using awesome wm?
[01:29] <Code_Bleu> examancer: ok.  will do.  in the past though..ever time i have seen bad mem. it detects it right away.
[01:29] <examancer> yeah, i've seen that too
[01:30] <ezio> i don't want to touch the thing .. unless i have gloves on .. but my friend wants to know if you can put ubuntu on a mac .. 3 people in my class claim they googled it to no avail ... i'm just here to show them how to use irc
[01:30] <Code_Bleu> blackshirt: will do, i have not taken it all apart yet, but the next time it crashes i will reseat everything.
[01:30] <Code_Bleu> if you see me disconnect from this channel, its because it crashed :)
[01:30] <ezio> you crashed
[01:31] <ezio> so ... is installing ubuntu on a mac a thing that you can do?
[01:31] <ezio> my answer was
[01:32] <ezio> step 1.
[01:32] <ezio> remove the hard drive
[01:32] <wubino> anyone know why ubuntu's power management fails or would fail to wake up after a sleep or hibernate event?
[01:32] <ezio> step 2.
[01:32] <ezio> discard the mac
[01:32] <FloodBot1> ezio: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:32] <wubino> Using an AMD Phenom 9750 chip
[01:32] <ezio> floodBot1, let's cuddle
[01:33] <wubino> I have not been able to find any posts via google on this except for people have posted bug reports about it since Ubuntu 11.04
[01:33] <sgo11> hi, with 12.04.1 liveusb and persistent storage, which package should I install for supporting Broadcom wireless card driver? It shows wireless firmware is not installed error. thanks.
[01:34] <craigbass1976> ezio, you still here?  I'm currentl;y running xubuntu on a ppc mac.  Is that what you're after?
[01:34] <Floorduck> examancer: any idea about how I could fix my problem? the windows partition is still there, but it's not booting from ti..
[01:34] <mrb0nk> hi
[01:34] <ezio> craigbass1976, no an intel mac
[01:34] <mrb0nk> hi
[01:34] <craigbass1976> ezio, that should be even easier then.
[01:34] <mrb0nk> hi
[01:34] <examancer> Code_Bleu: what is your computer doing? I had one that was random restarting/segfaulting. That was the instance where I memtested a few times and didn't see any errors after a while so I didn't finish. The RAM turned out to be bad.
[01:34] <|Anthony|> Floorduck, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[01:35] <examancer> also had a video card that caused similar symptoms though, so not saying its for sure RAM
[01:35] <ezio> craigbass1976, how'd you do it, buds?
[01:35] <wizaqua> let's go #ubuntu .
[01:35] <examancer> Floorduck: you have grub on your MBR
[01:35] <wizaqua> ##math is  inching ahead of you interms of  sheer busyness
[01:35] <Floorduck> Thanks.
[01:36] <craigbass1976> I grabbed the ppc version of lubuntu and off I went.  I threw xfce on because I like it better.  There are "wake up after sleeping" problems sometimes, but now worse than my own getting out of bed.  Actually, my problem is every morning; the laptop's record is much better than that.
[01:36] <Code_Bleu> examancer: it is randomly locking up.  screen goes black..monitor led blinks..and sometimes the scroll lock and caps lock led lights blink on keyboard....and once or twice i did see a kernel panic screen
[01:37] <ezio> craigbass1976, everyone has toi issue
[01:37] <ezio> s
[01:37] <craigbass1976> ezio, toi?
[01:37] <ezio> i've never had a box that didn't have toi issues
[01:37] <ezio> craigbass1976, tux on ice
[01:38] <wilee-nilee> Floorduck, Do you have a recovery or install disc for the windows?
[01:38] <Code_Bleu> examancer: i have checked my nic's too..no tx or rx errors..the only other thing i was thinking it might be is the video card...but i dont know how to verify that
[01:38] <examancer> Floorduck: looks like you can use lilo to re-write the MBR
[01:38] <examancer> Floorduck: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/fix-corrupted-windows-ntfs-filesystem-ubuntu/ ... scroll to Fixing A Corrupt Master Boot Record
[01:38] <craigbass1976> ezio, One thing I hate is no hard drive light.  I can't tell if it's turded out on me, or if it's doing something.  THere's a loud fan, so I can't hear the drive running over it.
[01:39] <examancer> Code_Bleu: only sure way is process of elimination... coming up with ways to try and rule out various peices of hardware
[01:39] <examancer> if you have two hard drives, for instance, unplug one for a while and run the computer hard (maybe a benchmark)... see if the behavior persists
[01:39] <examancer> then do the same with the other drive
[01:39] <Code_Bleu> examancer: thats what i was afraid of
[01:40] <examancer> (sometimes bad hard drives can cause stability problems too)
[01:41] <zykotick9> examancer: isn't Code_Bleu using a vm?  kinda rules out hardware if host didn't crash.
[01:41] <Code_Bleu> zykotick9: it is the host that is crashing
[01:42] <Code_Bleu> zykotick9: it just so happens the vm im running on the host is my router (pfsense)
[01:43] <ezio> anyone got an intel mac running ubuntu?
[01:43] <WeThePeople> i
[01:43] <WeThePeople> h
[01:44] <WeThePeople> ezio, ask your question
[01:44] <ezio> WeThePeople, anyone here got ubuntu on a mac
[01:45] <Floorduck> Is there any way to get boot-repair without using terminal? I can't get the commands listed on the site to work
[01:45] <WeThePeople> ezio, doesnt make a diff, just ask
[01:45] <CellTech> Is there a quick way to check the cpu temp just through terminal? Without having to install anything?
[01:46] <Logos01> Greetings! What's the command to reload one's iptables rules if one ran iptables --flush ? ( Ubuntu 12.04 )
[01:47] <WeThePeople> logos01, prob redo them
[01:47] <Logos01> None of the following achieve that effect:  service ufw restart || stop ufw ; start ufw
[01:47] <Logos01> WeThePeople: What does that even mean?
[01:47] <Logos01> I'm talking about the default iptables rules that load at boot.
[01:47] <|Anthony|> is udev going to be forked/maintained for/by *buntu since it has been merged into systemd? If not will there be a replacement, or will it just age?
[01:48] <ezio> WeThePeople, yes ... the question i want answered is ... k ... you ready .. cause this'll fucking blow your mind ... is it possible to put ubuntu on an intel mac ... a question that could be answered by someone saying "why yes, i have ubuntu on an intel mac" the i'd be like, see, told you class, possible ... you're all idiots for not a) being able to google this fucking shit and b) use irc ... is that fucking sufficient for you?
[01:48] <ezio> go ahead
[01:48] <FloodBot1> ezio: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:48] <ezio> kick me
[01:49] <|Anthony|> why have there been so many trolls recently
[01:49] <WeThePeople> ezio, so you want proof of this thats it??
[01:49] <PatrickJameson> hey all, I'm trying to edit my xorg config to change my monitor setup to shut off my laptop screen if an external monitor is attached.
[01:49] <WeThePeople> mac is a brand name
[01:49] <Logos01> WeThePeople: You're talking to someone who's not even here.
[01:49] <PatrickJameson> it seems to work when I'm on the log in screen, but returns back to the original state when I log in
[01:49] <PatrickJameson> anyone know what could be happening?
[01:50] <Logos01> Anyhoo -- Anybody? Reloading of firewall settings?
[01:50] <blackshirt> PatricJameson, try to login on single user
[01:50] <OerHeks> ezio, running ubuntu on your intel mac is possible, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages
[01:50] <PatrickJameson> on single user?
[01:51] <WeThePeople> derheks, too lte..lol
[01:51] <WeThePeople> late
[01:52] <Logos01> PatrickJameson: Recent Ubuntu versions don't really use Xorg.conf. They use different setups which to be honest I'm not 100% familiar with. But you *COULD* use some conditional xrandr settings in your ~/.profile to achieve the effect you're after.
[01:52] <Logos01> (That's hackish and not a genuine solution but it would get the job done.)
[01:54] <PatrickJameson> Logos01: oh interesting
[01:54] <Logos01> This is going to be another one of those times when I just walk away from this channel in utter disgust, I guess. Is there seriously nobody in here familiar with how the firewall works in 12.04 ?
[01:54]  * PatrickJameson will try
[01:54] <Floorduck> Examancer, the repair didnt work. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1215993/
[01:54] <Logos01> PatrickJameson: Godspeed, young paduwan!
[01:55] <OerHeks> Logos01, all you need is a gui for ufw, like Gufw
[01:55] <WeThePeople> logos01, its slow tonight
[01:55] <Logos01> OerHeks: It's a headless machine.
[01:55] <Logos01> No GUI.
[01:55] <Logos01> It's going to stay that way.
[01:55] <Logos01> WeThePeople: Yeah I guess they all are.
[01:56] <leeping> Hi there, anyone know of a channel where I can ask about assembling a PC?
[01:56] <WeThePeople> #HARDWARE
[01:56] <WeThePeople> #hardware
[01:56] <OerHeks> Logos01, oke, they you can edit the iptables manually > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[01:57] <examancer> Floorduck: Sorry, I'm not an expert on MBR stuff. There should be a way to switch it to boot windows again
[01:57] <examancer> or, you can always re-install grub and just use that to boot windows
[01:57] <Floorduck> But I want to send it back for replacement; the screen is faulty :(
[01:57] <examancer> if you configure grub to never show the menu and always start windows no one would notice
[01:58] <examancer> Floorduck: what manufacturer?
[01:58] <Floorduck> MSI
[01:58] <Logos01> OerHeks: That again is not what I'm asking about.
[01:59] <Logos01> OerHeks: Again, my query was simple: "How does one reload the iptables rules that are loaded at boot?"
[01:59] <examancer> Floorduck: what model?
[01:59] <Logos01> Telling me how to manually edit my firewall rules achieves no movement towards that goal.
[01:59] <Logos01> The link you provided also provides no movement towards that goal.
[02:00] <wilee-nilee> Floorduck, bootrepair wont fix a MS boot use the lilo link given you.
[02:01] <NiteRain> Logos01: did you find your answer?
[02:01] <goddard> how can i send a file over my current ssh connection
[02:01] <goddard> terminal session
[02:02] <jrib> Logos01: it depends on how you loaded the rules in the first place
[02:02] <examancer> goddard: is there some reason you can't start another ssh session so you can scp?
[02:02] <rob_p> Logos01: So, "service ufw restart" doesn't accomplish what you want?
[02:02] <wilee-nilee> Floorduck, Here is a pastebin of using lilo. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216002/
[02:03] <WACOMalt> Is the wine version in the repositories x64 compatible? Like for 64bit windows programs.
[02:03] <NiteRain> Logos01: if you had your rules set, you could have backed them up with the iptables-save command
[02:03] <Logos01> rob_p: No it does not.
[02:03] <Logos01> Bloody hell.
[02:03] <Floorduck> um
[02:03] <Floorduck> MSI X Series X460DX-423US
[02:03] <Floorduck> Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1030
[02:03] <WeThePeople> logos01, are there any iptable rules loaded at boot? <ayecee> WeThePeople: no
[02:03] <Logos01> WeThePeople: Yes.
[02:03] <Floorduck> Whoops, that's my wireless card. The first thing is the laptop model.
[02:03] <Logos01> Most all of what's in /etc/ufw/*
[02:04] <Logos01> But service ufw restart is loading nothing.
[02:04] <Logos01> So there has to be some other way to make that happen.
[02:04] <Logos01> What is it?
[02:04] <rob_p> Logos01: Well, it seems to work here...
[02:04] <examancer> Floorduck: just curious. That laptop is ugly as hell. Good video card though.
[02:05] <Logos01> rob_p: And what is "it" that you're doing? What state is your iptables ruleset in when you do "it"?
[02:05] <NiteRain> Logos01: did you try: sudo ufw enable, and then try restarting?
[02:05] <tdlguiinstall> .
[02:05] <tdlguiinstall> .
[02:05] <tdlguiinstall> .
[02:05] <tdlguiinstall> .
[02:05] <tdlguiinstall> .
[02:05] <FloodBot1> tdlguiinstall: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:05] <Logos01> I am not going to reboot my computer just to restart the firewall.
[02:05] <Logos01> That is absolutely and completely insane.
[02:05] <tdlguiinstall> .
[02:05] <tdlguiinstall> .
[02:05] <tdlguiinstall> .
[02:05] <FloodBot1> tdlguiinstall: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:05] <tdlguiinstall> .
[02:06] <goddard> examancer: no i just figured there was an easier way
[02:06] <Logos01> Yes, my ufw instance was working before I ran "iptables --flush"
[02:06] <Floorduck> Ugly as hell? Aww... I don't mind it. What's wrong with her :P
[02:06] <tdlguiinstall> `
[02:06] <tdlguiinstall> `
[02:06] <tdlguiinstall> .
[02:06] <tdlguiinstall> .
[02:06] <FloodBot1> tdlguiinstall: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:06] <ow> !ops
[02:06] <jrib> ow: he's gone
[02:06] <examancer> goddard: the easiest way is good ole scp
[02:06] <ow> jrib: He reconnected, and I suspected that the floodbots were just going to unquiet him again, which...
[02:06] <ow> ty Jordan_U
[02:07] <Logos01> "service ufw enable" --> "The script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an Upstart
[02:07] <jrib> ow: yes, I missed that.  thanks
[02:07] <Logos01> job, but enable is not supported for Upstart jobs"
[02:07] <Logos01> So no that's not going to work either.
[02:07] <Logos01> Phenomenal.
[02:07] <NiteRain> oh upstart
[02:07] <OerHeks> Logos01, depends on where you stored a copy of your iptable rules.
[02:07] <Logos01> OerHeks: /etc/ufw
[02:07] <jrib> Logos01: you probably mean "sudo ufw enable"
[02:07] <Logos01> jrib: I'm not the one who suggested using "service ufw enable"
[02:07] <jakepetroules> hey does anyone know why i have to run apt-get update && apt-get install openjdk-7-jre TWICE to get it to install? if i only do it once it says i have unmet dependencies
[02:07] <jrib> Logos01: who was?
[02:08] <examancer> scp user@source-host.com:Documents/journal.txt ~/destination/jounrnal.txt
[02:08] <Logos01> 19:05 < NiteRain> Logos01: did you try: sudo ufw enable, and then try restarting?
[02:08] <Logos01> (I have 19:08)
[02:08] <bkerensa> jakepetroules: you dont
[02:08] <jrib> Logos01: yes... "sudo", not "service"
[02:08] <bkerensa> jakepetroules: just sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre
[02:09] <Logos01> Ahh. Well that's just mud on my face right there.
[02:09] <rotham> hey.. whats an image viewer i can use to open 20mb jpegs without freezing (the default seems to freeze.. shotwell freezes too)
[02:09] <Logos01> but again I'm not going to reboot my computer just for something like that.
[02:09] <jakepetroules> bkerensa: but that doesn't work, i get an unmet dependencies error
[02:09] <Logos01> rotham: gwenview is reliable for me.
[02:09] <WACOMalt> Can anyone tell me if the wine package in the repos is x64 compatible? like for 64 bit windows programs?
[02:09] <jrib> Logos01: I think he just meant restart the service after enabling ufw
[02:09] <bkerensa> jakepetroules: that is bizarre it should install the dependencies to
[02:09] <bkerensa> file a bug against the package
[02:10] <jakepetroules> i think it happens with java6 also
[02:10] <rotham> Logos01: thanks
[02:10] <goddard> examancer: cool thanks bro
[02:10] <jakepetroules> that is, openjdk-6-jre
[02:10] <PatrickJameson> Logos01: osnap that will work with xrandr -s (0|1) with my metamodes configured in my xorg config
[02:10] <Logos01> PatrickJameson: :D  Figured it would.
[02:10] <PatrickJameson> now I just need to figure out two things
[02:10] <WeThePeople> rotham, gimp may due the trick too
[02:11] <bkerensa> jakepetroules: what release are you running?
[02:11] <Logos01> "two things" ?
[02:11] <PatrickJameson> how to tell if the screen is connected and how to stop the screen from going black when I shut my laptop
[02:11] <jakepetroules> 12.04.1, the latest
[02:11] <Logos01> PatrickJameson: the screen going black is an advanced power control setting.
[02:11] <PatrickJameson> I tried setting that
[02:11] <PatrickJameson> many have complained that it isn't working
[02:12] <Logos01> As to how to tell if the screen is connected...
[02:12] <Logos01> You'll have to do a conditional test on the number of screens via xrandr.
[02:12] <jrib> Logos01: fwiw, ufw enable; iptables -F; ufw disable; ufw enable, seems to restore the ufw rules fine...
[02:12] <jakepetroules> bkerensa: oh and its ubuntu server edition. the one on amazon ec2
[02:12] <PatrickJameson> yup, just need to figure that out. I'm sure its in this documentation somewhere
[02:12] <bkerensa> jakepetroules: I would file a bug so a developer can have a look
[02:13] <Logos01> PatrickJameson: [ "$(xrandr | grep '^Screen 1') != "" ]
[02:13] <jakepetroules> bkerensa: ok where do i file
[02:13] <Logos01> PatrickJameson: [ "$(xrandr | grep '^Screen 1')" != "" ] rather
[02:13] <PatrickJameson> Logos01: yup, I figured that would be an option
[02:13] <jrib> Logos01: and so does "iptables -F; service restart ufw" (assuming ufw is enabled)
[02:13] <Logos01> That is a test statement that checks the output of the xrandr command for the presence of a line that begins with the text, 'Screen 1'
[02:13] <PatrickJameson> the screen going black is a bit annoying
[02:13] <Logos01> jrib: No, that last didn't.
[02:14] <NiteRain> Logos01: sudo ufw status
[02:14] <Logos01> It
[02:14] <Logos01> It's enabled.
[02:14] <NiteRain> is it enabled?
[02:14] <jrib> Logos01: well did my first suggestion work?  If not then you need to be pastebinning more info
[02:14] <Logos01> PatrickJameson: Might possibly be a screensaver. You wouldn't by any chance be using LXDE?
[02:14] <Logos01> jrib: ufw enable brought up the rules yes.
[02:15] <PatrickJameson> nope
[02:15]  * Logos01 is in too many windows -- did I not state this?
[02:15] <Logos01> My apologies.
[02:15] <Floorduck> examancer: thanks for the help; it worked... I love you.
[02:15] <examancer> glad i could find a blog post for you :-P
[02:16] <Floorduck> shush.
[02:16] <rob_p> Logos01: When I run, "service ufw start/restart" it does indeed establish/reestablish the default ruleset as configured in the ufw configs. However, if you want to remove the ruleset, it seems you still have to do it manually (ie. sudo iptables -F and sudo iptables -t nat -F)
[02:16] <Floorduck> Don't add insult to my implied injury :P
[02:16] <Logos01> PatrickJameson: "xset dpms force off" <-- seen that before?
[02:17] <Logos01> rob_p: No, it actually honestly totally really doesn't.
[02:17] <Logos01> "service ufw restart" did nothing the nine times I ran it.
[02:17] <Floorduck> Okay, maybe I could have googled it... but I had more faith in you people than I do in my own ability to think critically... so :P
[02:17] <Logos01> Nor did "stop ufw ; start ufw"
[02:17] <Logos01> "ufw enable" however *did*
[02:17] <PatrickJameson> Logos01: erm, don't believe so. where would I have?
[02:17] <examancer> oh, i just meant I didn't do much to help really, just pointed you in a direction
[02:17] <Logos01> I find this extremely obnoxious.
[02:17] <examancer> didn't mean as insult
[02:17] <Logos01> PatrickJameson: Try running it, just for shits and grins.
[02:17] <Logos01> (It disables the xset powersaving mode.)
[02:18] <cappicard> heya. when i try running apt-get, I'm getting Could not find platform independent libraries <prefix>,  Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>]
[02:18] <Logos01> http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/x-screen-blanking.html
[02:18] <PatrickJameson> Logos01: didn't work.
[02:18] <Logos01> PatrickJameson: Was worth a shot.
[02:18] <PatrickJameson> mhm
[02:18] <cappicard> ImportError: No module named site
[02:18] <Logos01> cappicard: reload your bashrc profile. Something's pretty screwy there.
[02:18] <jrib> cappicard: pastebin full command and full output
[02:19] <cappicard> http://pastebin.com/index/ReTeNe0A
[02:20] <|Anthony|> udev and consolekit have been merged into systemd. What is Ubuntu going to replace these depreciated tools with?
[02:20] <Vermicelli> "spacepiratesandzombies: Depends: spacepiratesandzombies-bin but it is a virtual package"
[02:20] <Vermicelli> What can I do about this?
[02:20] <ng0n> pp
[02:20] <ng0n> re
[02:21] <jrib> Vermicelli: ask the provider of "spacepiratesandzombies"
[02:21] <Vermicelli> I get the same for every one fo the new humble bundle titles.
[02:21] <Floorduck> I have one other problem with which you cannot help me... unfortunately :(
[02:22] <Floorduck> I believe I've misplaced the windows vista home premium disk that came with my laptop... I've got to find that -_-
[02:22] <PatrickJameson> Logos01: lololo
[02:22] <convivial> hi, does server come with desktop ui?
[02:22] <PatrickJameson> when I shut the screen of my laptop everything blanks out
[02:22] <cappicard> hrmm... i get the same bloody thing when I just type python
[02:22] <jrib> convivial: not installed by default, but you can install any you want from the repository
[02:22] <zykotick9> convivial: gui?  not by default (and it shouldn't)
[02:22] <Logos01> PatrickJameson: Okay?
[02:22] <cappicard> even as root!
[02:22] <PatrickJameson> to get the external screen on all I had to do was move my mouse
[02:22] <Logos01> Oh.
[02:23] <PatrickJameson> :P
[02:23] <Logos01> well that's interesting.
[02:23] <Logos01> Quirky even.
[02:23] <PatrickJameson> it is indeed
[02:23] <jrib> cappicard: « which python » and « apt-cache policy software-center » on pastebin
[02:23] <PatrickJameson> no idea why that is a feature, but I'll take it
[02:23] <Logos01> PatrickJameson: More likely more like a limitation than a feature.
[02:23] <Logos01> But as long as you can make it work it's all good.
[02:23] <PatrickJameson> yup.
[02:23] <sprinklekitten> I was experiencing problems with a version of mac os x I reinstalled on an old macbook and so I decided to try out Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. I want to re-install mac osx but the install discs continue to fail. I downloaded a .dmg file and want to create a bootable usb drive. Any suggestions on the best method to do this?
[02:24] <Richard_Cavell> I'm on 10.04 and I see there's a Linux kernel update.  Is it normal to have updates 2 years after the release of the distro?
[02:24] <zykotick9> Richard_Cavell: no.  new bugs are discovered.
[02:24] <Richard_Cavell> So does 10.04 have the leading edge kernel or is it some way behind?
[02:24] <jrib> Richard_Cavell: 10.04 is supported for 3 years on the desktop and 5 years on the server.  If there are security issues for supported packages, then there will be an update (see !sru for details)
[02:25] <cappicard> http://pastebin.com/9GNcEZe6
[02:25] <|Anthony|> Richard_Cavell, no 10.04 is on a 2.6 kernel
[02:25] <Richard_Cavell> 2.6.32-43-generic according to update manager
[02:25] <ryanCH_> I've been searching google for a while looking for Canon MP499 printers drivers for linux, but I haven't found one for that model only MP495.. any ideas?
[02:25] <|Anthony|> 3.x is current
[02:25] <zykotick9> Richard_Cavell: way behind (with that interpretation).  i still run a 2.6.32 happily ;)
[02:26] <PatrickJameson> Logos01: thanks for your help
[02:26] <PatrickJameson> I'm out
[02:26] <Logos01> :D
[02:26] <bkerensa> jakepetroules: in terminal do "ubuntu bug PACKAGENAME"
[02:26]  * PatrickJameson flys away
[02:27] <|Anthony|> udev and consolekit have been merged into systemd. What is Ubuntu going to replace these depreciated and system vital tools with?
[02:27] <|Anthony|> anyone?
[02:27] <jrib> cappicard: and you have no idea what could have prompted these python issues?
[02:27] <Richard_Cavell> I'm back after a reboot
[02:27] <cappicard> I do not
[02:27] <Richard_Cavell> It's just a bit annoying to have a kernel update because I'm virtualizing and I need to reinstall guest additions
[02:28] <jrib> cappicard: pastebin « env »
[02:28] <jrib> Richard_Cavell: read the changelog and see if it's worth it in your case then
[02:28] <|Anthony|> with 2.6.x it will more than likely be security related
[02:30] <cappicard> brb.
[02:32] <minetruly> Hi! This is my first time using IRC. I'm considering switching to Ubuntu. I'm willing to lean computer programming. If you don't mind talking to a total newbie, do any of you have words of wisdom for me?
[02:33] <blackshirt> minetruly: yes, welcome to ubuntu channel...
[02:33] <minetruly> Thank you, blackshirt.
[02:33] <gogeta> minetruly: programing for linux = easy to port to windows
[02:34] <blackshirt> minetruly: if you have problems related to your ubuntu, you can just ask here, or maybe you want to help someone with trouble
[02:34] <gogeta> minetruly: the other way around can be diffcult
[02:34] <sprinklekitten> This channel seems too crowded
[02:34] <gogeta> sprinklekitten: lol
[02:34] <minetruly> What does "port" mean? (Sorry, I'm such a beginner! I promise I learn quickly.)
[02:35] <mangdood_> I want to install software from the source code and I remember using some software to add it to the package management system. Is this recommended and any idea what it might be called?
[02:35] <crimsonmane> you do not need to learn programming in order to use Linux.
[02:35] <sprinklekitten> I don't even think anyone noticed my question from earlier. I have literally been staring at this feed for 10 mins
[02:35] <blackshirt> sprinklekitten: what you mean with too crowded...
[02:35] <WeThePeople> minetruly, port for networking in and out of the computer
[02:35] <minetruly> What if it's not compatible with something i want to use, or doesn't run well enough with my computer's hardware?
[02:35] <cappicard> http://pastebin.com/w8p4n1Qc
[02:35] <mangdood_> sprinklekitten: Often people don't really know the answer
[02:35] <minetruly> WeThePeople, thank you, I understand.
[02:35] <blackshirt> sprinklekitten: I'm just sitting here for a seconds...
[02:35] <WeThePeople> minetruly, their are over 65000 ports on the computer
[02:35] <jrib> !compile | mangdood_
[02:36] <jrib> mangdood_: probably checkinstall, but it's better to build (or find) a proper package
[02:36] <minetruly> 65000? Why so many? I get the basics like your email goes out one port, or you could specify another....
[02:36] <crimsonmane> WeThePeople: PORT was used not in that sense. it was used to mean "convert to run on another platform"
[02:36] <mangdood_> jrib: Yeah, but I need a software package for a course and it's not offered in the repos
[02:36] <crimsonmane> minetruly: please don't let these people confuse you. there is no reason to learn programming to use linux.
[02:37] <WeThePeople> ok??
[02:37] <WeThePeople> whatever
[02:37] <sprinklekitten> well, I don't want to spam everyone with the same. should I continue to wait
[02:37] <gogeta> crimsonmane: tought he was referring to using linux as his platform
[02:37] <sprinklekitten> same question*
[02:37] <blackshirt> sprinklekitten: what is your problem ?
[02:37] <ActionParsnip> sprinklekitten: whats up?
[02:37] <jrib> sprinklekitten: you should just repeat your question ~10 minutes instead of asking if it's been seen
[02:37] <minetruly> Thanks crimsonmane. It'll be nice to use it without hassle. But, I really am planning on learning how to program, and dealing with Linux would be as good a place to start as any.
[02:37] <crimsonmane> gogeta: no, someone else said "port" to him as in "programming on linux = easy port to windows"
[02:37] <minetruly> I'd love to be able to tweak things.
[02:38] <sprinklekitten> I was experiencing problems with a version of mac os x I reinstalled on an old macbook and so I decided to try out Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. I want to re-install mac osx but the install discs continue to fail. I downloaded a .dmg file and want to create a bootable usb drive. Any suggestions on the best method to do this?
[02:38] <gogeta> crimsonmane: i did
[02:38] <ActionParsnip> sprinklekitten: if you are having issues with mac installation then you should ask in #apple or #macos
[02:38] <crimsonmane> gogeta: in that sense, "port" does not refer to what WeThePeople was defining.
[02:38] <jrib> sprinklekitten: well part of the problem is that it's not clear how that is even an ubuntu question...
[02:38] <gogeta> crimsonmane: lol no
[02:38] <jagginess> linux on mac?
[02:38] <minetruly> Also, I'm done tolerating the glitches Windows gives me. I want the ability to get my hands around a problem until I've strangled it.
[02:38] <minetruly> And, you know, solved it.
[02:39] <gogeta> minetruly: unfortanly glitces are on everything.
[02:39] <ActionParsnip> minetruly: try ubuntu-tweak and myunity
[02:39] <minetruly> But with Linux, can't you get in there and manually fix the glitches?
[02:39] <crimsonmane> minetruly: no.
[02:39] <ActionParsnip> minetruly: gogeta: every OS sucks
[02:39] <minetruly> Parsnip, thank you, Crimsonmane, what's the significance of ports?
[02:39] <sprinklekitten> It is a ubuntu question. Is there a program in ubuntu that I can use to format a disc image and place on a usb drive
[02:40] <ActionParsnip> minetruly: ports in what sense?
[02:40] <jagginess> sprinklekitten, linux on mac?
[02:40] <crimsonmane> minetruly: there isn't any significance you need to concern yourself with. if you wanna learn linux you need to install it and read the commands manual.
[02:40] <minetruly> What are Ubuntu's biggest downfalls?
[02:40] <sprinklekitten> Linux
[02:40] <gogeta> minetruly: if you mean can you dig into the system and find the problem of course
[02:40] <jagginess> minetruly, biggest downfalls is not installing it
[02:40] <minetruly> Haha
[02:40] <WeThePeople> minetruly, everything is free
[02:40] <jrib> minetruly: this channel is really meant for technical support, could you please ask your more general questions in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[02:41] <jagginess> minetruly, biggest downfall, is most kids would never donate because they're so dam selfish
[02:41] <xangua> !ot | minetruly i'm sure everyone will be glad if you join the offtopic :)
[02:41] <minetruly> True. I just want to be prepared when things go wrong.
[02:41] <crimsonmane> minetruly: put your big boy pants on and dive in head first.
[02:41] <minetruly> Recognize common problems as common problems and not some weird thing that's specific to my hardware
[02:42] <jagginess> sprinklekitten, refit, you'll need that on mac to get linux to boot
[02:42] <minetruly> Crimson, you are by far giving the best advice.
[02:42] <crimsonmane> You're going to have huge headaches while you learn linux. I promise you that.
[02:42] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[02:42] <minetruly> OK, good to know that.
[02:42] <jagginess> sprinklekitten, they'res a newer one than refit.. i forget the name, it shouldbe on wikipedia
[02:43] <sprinklekitten> Jagginess, thanks. i will check it out
[02:43] <gogeta> minetruly: with any new thing it will have a lering curve but distros like ubuntu try to make it as painless as possable.
[02:43] <Nautilus> does this seem like appropriate directions for installing nomachine (aka NX)?  http://www.humans-enabled.com/2012/04/how-to-install-freenx-server-on-ubuntu.html
[02:43] <ActionParsnip> sprinklekitten: unetbootin may do it, you may need a mac
[02:44] <ActionParsnip> sprinklekitten: macs a re a dumb system and don't play well with others
[02:44] <minetruly> I am indeed going to dive in. Any big, obvious tips for a beginner like me? And what are the biggest problems I'm likely to encounter upfront?
[02:44] <jrib> minetruly: please move your discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic.
[02:44] <gogeta> minetruly: with any luck none
[02:44] <crimsonmane> minetruly: nope. you should come here tho when you have troubles.
[02:44] <ActionParsnip> minetruly: all OSes can and do go wrong
[02:44] <minetruly> Does it... does it have less troubles than Windows?
[02:45] <crimsonmane> depends on how you look at it.
[02:45] <crimsonmane> it has "different" troubles than windows
[02:45] <ActionParsnip> minetruly: depends on how you use it
[02:45] <minetruly> I guess my biggest concern is whether it will use my quad core and my touchscreen and such optimally.
[02:45] <billc> where do u get the terminal commands
[02:45] <jagginess> sprinklekitten, it's called refind->http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/
[02:45] <sprinklekitten> I hate my old macbook and love ubuntu but I need mac osx for certain programs I need. Don't worry though. I will be booting Ubuntu from a disc after I have osx reinstalled on my HD
[02:45] <gogeta> minetruly: good chance the tuchscreen will be a issue
[02:45] <minetruly> Can you highlight some of its troubles?
[02:45] <crimsonmane> no
[02:46] <jagginess> sprinklekitten, you can shrink the hfs+ with the osx installer media. then use gparted live cd to add ext4+swap
[02:46] <crimsonmane> I'm sorry I really want you to try linux, but the sales and customer service department is that way. this is tech support.
[02:46] <minetruly> Sprinklekitten, I've seen a Macbook boot Ubuntu, you can dual boot from the same hard drive, I think.
[02:46] <crimsonmane> ()i'm kidding, of course()
[02:46] <jagginess> sprinklekitten, if it's ppc, then i'm not sure if refind/refit support that.
[02:47]  * jagginess can tripleboot a macbook with refit/refind
[02:47] <ActionParsnip> minetruly: the desktop OS can manage up to 32 cores if memory serves. Quad core isn't anything fancy
[02:47] <sprinklekitten> I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 right now. I'm just trying to reinstall OSX without the discs haha
[02:47] <gogeta> minetruly: apples tend to be a bit tempermental when it comes to getting linux up and running
[02:47] <minetruly> Crimson, you won't scare me away. I'm going to install it. I'm just asking so I have a heads up. I want a general feel for the OS, and while I can get it by just downloading the thing, why not ask some experts for their take on it?
[02:48] <ActionParsnip> minetruly: the touch screen may be an issue but it depends on the controller for it. I suggest you boot a liveCD OS and test there, it won't modify your installed OS
[02:48] <jagginess> sprinklekitten, ya.. you probably can boot snowleopard off usb.. but i know mountain lion can.. the osx DiskUTility.. but this is goind off topic..
[02:48] <minetruly> Can't Quad core allow you to run more applications at once? I'm one of those people who has a dozen applications open and 200 tabs in Firefox.
[02:48] <mwmnj> ...
[02:48] <crimsonmane> my "expert" opinion will get me booted from chat here, minetruly.
[02:49] <ActionParsnip> minetruly: yes, you'll also need RAM to hold the running apps, not just raw CPU speed
[02:49] <minetruly> I have 8 gigs.
[02:49] <sprinklekitten> jagginess, Thanks for your help. I will make my way to #apple to see if they can help me
[02:49] <ActionParsnip> minetruly: thats more than enough for Ubuntu, the libs are reused so RAM use is low
[02:49] <minetruly> Isn't it not so much the speed, and more that the multiple processors allow more processes to run at the same time?
[02:50] <gogeta> minetruly: A multi-core processor is a single computing component with two or more independent actual central processing units
[02:50] <ActionParsnip> minetruly: I run a full desktop and use less than 400Mb
[02:50] <crimsonmane> running many apps = 80% ram, 20% cpu
[02:50] <gogeta> minetruly: and you wanna program
[02:51] <ActionParsnip> minetruly: the RAM holds the processes as they run, so more RAM means more processes, CPU just means they will run smoother. CPU doesn't determine how many concurrent apps you can run
[02:51] <minetruly> gogeta: yes, but I'm not going to kid myself into thinking I can do anything well so soon.
[02:51] <jrib> guys, this is #ubuntu, not computing 101...
[02:51] <ActionParsnip> minetruly: even if you fill the RAM, you wil start to use swap space (slower) and you can run even more. With 8Gb I doubt you will touch swap
[02:53] <minetruly> ActionParsnip: What are the other factors? My 2010 PC has more RAM than my 2007 MacBook, but the Windows machine has never once run faster than my Mac.
[02:53] <xangua> !ot | minetruly crimsonmane gogeta ActionParsnip
[02:53] <jrib> minetruly: this is your last warning to move this general discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic.  I'll have to ban you if you keep ignoring it...
[02:53] <minetruly> ubottu: the illustration with Mac allows me to understand an Ubuntu related question
[02:53] <crimsonmane> FYI i don't really care for the rules. If pre-buy questiones aren't Ubuntu support, then I don't know what is.
[02:54] <ChibaPet> Hey all. An odd request, but I wonder if someone with a launchpad account could leave a message on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine1.4/+bug/944321  ?   The message would consist of "on Debian, libc6-dev-i386 fixes this - perhaps there's something similar available for you."
[02:54] <ActionParsnip> minetruly: its a different OS all together so the resources will be used differently
[02:54] <bazhang> ActionParsnip, minetruly lets move on
[02:54] <ActionParsnip> bazhang: deal
[02:54] <minetruly> OK.
[02:54] <minetruly> Thanks for your help.
[02:55] <ActionParsnip> is it bad I kinda knew s/he also owned a Mac ;)
[02:55] <FooFlyer> hi guys, i have a question, iḿ really new in ubuntu, iḿ trying to install apache http server, but i dont know which is the best place to place my folder installation
[02:55] <ActionParsnip> FooFlyer: the defaults will be fine
[02:56] <bazhang> FooFlyer, use the package manager, it will do it for you
[02:56] <FooFlyer> the deafults?? which??
[02:56] <ActionParsnip> FooFlyer: use the package manager and it will install all you need
[02:56] <FooFlyer> well ive downloaded the tar version
[02:57] <FooFlyer> i would like to install from the tar version
[02:57] <ChibaPet> FooFlyer: The Debian (and hence Ubuntu) package manager has a very nice way to manage Apache site configurations. You want to learn it and use it. Install the package using your package manager and dig into what it installs.
[02:57] <ChibaPet> FooFlyer: You don't want the tar version.
[02:57] <ChibaPet> FooFlyer: Once you've installed the packaged version, dpkg -L apache-package-name and you'll see where to look.
[02:58] <ChibaPet> FooFlyer: The big win using the packaged version is that you'll get security updates more easily, which is absolutely critical for a web server.
[02:58] <ns_nazri> hi
[02:58] <gogeta> ActionParsnip: you shall own a mac for that
[02:58] <ns_nazri> can all help me
[02:59] <ChibaPet> Anyway, thanks in advance if someone can answer that LaunchPad question for me. Have a good night.
[02:59] <gogeta> !ask | ns_nazri
[02:59] <FooFlyer> ok guys, iĺl keep it in mind
[03:01] <pyrokinetic> hi everyone. recently removed my windows 7 partition and am now running ubuntu 12.04 full time, unfortunately I now have a TON of unallocated space that I can't seem to use, tried running gparted from liveCD and disabled swap so I could expand my extended partition, which worked, but now I just have unallocated space (along with my 'normal' partitions) within my extended partition...a little help would be super.
[03:01] <ns_nazri> i have ubuntu 12.04, ubuntu can support usb 3.0
[03:01] <crimsonmane> pyrokinetic: you need to boot to a LiveCD in order to resize the partition. the drive cannot be mounted when you resize it, which means you can't be using it as your operating system at the time you resize it.
[03:02] <wilee-nilee> pyrokinetic, you can resize all partitions using the same method.
[03:02] <wilee-nilee> a live cd
[03:02] <pyrokinetic> crimsonmane: I did do it from livecd but couldn't move the sliders across.
[03:02] <gogeta> pyrokinetic: using the luve cd you should be able to give linux all the free space
[03:02] <crimsonmane> pyrokinetic: the drive might have been mounted.
[03:03] <jagginess> pyrokinetic, usually it's very hard to work with the extended partition, so people work best only at 4 partitions max (especially true on msdos partition style table-- but this worry doesnt exist on GPT)
[03:03] <jagginess> pyrokinetic, and i mean 4 "primary" partitions..
[03:03] <gogeta> Pryon: if your just running ubuntu delete extended
[03:03] <jagginess> (gpt only uses primary partitions)
[03:04] <gogeta> think he left
[03:04] <jagginess> gogeta, um.. i think he means ubuntu is inside this extended partition
[03:04] <pyrokinetic> hmmm. thanks jagginess. crimsonmane I think it wasn't mounted, it showed up in nautilus down the left hand side but didn't show as 'mounted'...if that makes sense?
[03:04] <gogeta> jagginess: oh thats gonna be a mess
[03:04] <ActionParsnip> gogeta: Noooo!
[03:04] <crimsonmane> it's not supposed to be mounted
[03:05] <jagginess> pyrokinetic, if you just installed it, and there's no data to backup on the drive, the best /easiest solution-- would be less time to wipe out the drive and start from scratch
[03:05] <crimsonmane> ^
[03:05] <jagginess> (which is like 20 minutes)
[03:05] <pyrokinetic> jagginess: I've used it for a while unfortunately and have quite a bit of stuff. I thought about doing that tho
[03:05] <ns_nazri> ubuntu can support usb 3.0 and thunderbolt
[03:06] <jagginess> pyrokinetic, well if there's alot of unallocated space, it's best to backup the data, and start from scratch :/ unfortunately..
[03:06] <gogeta> pyrokinetic: yea extended is only nedded if you have more then 4 partations
[03:06] <jagginess> ns_nazri, thunderbolt is a kernel.org effort.. so if ubuntu cant do it, no other linux can
[03:06] <Will013> Hi all, brand new to ubuntu, trying to copy a resolv.conf file to /mnt/etc/resolv.conf but the live cd doesn't seem to have the file? or I can't find it.
[03:07] <gogeta> pyrokinetic: its not ment for primary use
[03:07] <ns_nazri> jagginess: usb 3.0
[03:07] <jagginess> gogeta, on msdos styled partitions. ('extended' doest exist on gpt)
[03:07] <pyrokinetic> gogeta: I never remember even selecting extended in the install, it just did it by default when I installed it....from what I remember
[03:08] <jagginess> ns_nazri, usb 3 is supported with the linux kernel, maybe you should ask on #linux.. it's not strictly a ubuntu issue
[03:08] <ns_nazri> ok thank you
[03:08] <jagginess> ns_nazri, ubuntu is more like the user desktop experience.. and if ubuntu has usb3 it's because of kernel.org (and any other linux would have it)
[03:08] <gogeta> pyrokinetic: wow what a pain. if it was on primary this issue would not even happon
[03:09] <Will013> Is there a quick way to determine if i'm missing the resolv.conf file on the live cd?
[03:09] <pyrokinetic> gogeta: what I don't understand is this, I only have linux installed.......no other primary partitions, I just have sda3 and the rest are all logical drives
[03:09] <ActionParsnip> Will013: file /etc/resolv.conf
[03:10] <Nautilus__> unusually quiet here!
[03:10] <jagginess> pyrokinetic, i thought you were talking about unallocated space outside the extended partition
[03:10] <jagginess> pyrokinetic, if its only unallocated data within extended.. you shuold be able to resize the logical partitions within
[03:10] <ActionParsnip> Will013: it will either say ASCII text (or similar) or an error about missing file
[03:11] <Will013> cannot copy /etc/resolv.conf no such file directory
[03:12] <ActionParsnip> Will013: /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink
[03:12] <pyrokinetic> jagginess: sorry, I didn't explain very well....I have a screenshot on ubuntuforums.org (and a thread there under general help) ...not sure if you have an account there but it might illustrate my problem a bit better
[03:12] <ActionParsnip> Will013: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216067/
[03:12] <Will013> ok, i'm brand new to ubuntu what's a symlink and why is this a problem?
[03:13] <ActionParsnip> Will013: a symlink is like a windows shortcut but a million times more useful
[03:14] <jagginess> pyrokinetic, i dont think i need a screenshot.. you can do-> fdisk -l<enter>
[03:15] <Will013> should you be able to run the internet on a live cd?
[03:15] <ActionParsnip> Will013: if there are drivers and such, then yes
[03:15] <pyrokinetic> jagginess: err, the command works but....nothing happens.
[03:15] <ns_nazri> ubuntu can play games same windows
[03:15] <jagginess> Will013, the live cd can do dhcp if i remember correctly
[03:15] <jagginess> pyrokinetic, maybe use it with sudo
[03:15] <Will013> dhcp?
[03:15] <ns_nazri> help me
[03:16] <jagginess> Will013, a real ubuntu means it's not a live-cd.
[03:16] <jagginess> Will013, use the real thing..
[03:16] <ActionParsnip> Will013: what about it, namng random protocols is far from productive
[03:16] <ActionParsnip> Will013: icmp?
[03:16]  * ActionParsnip shrugs
[03:16] <pyrokinetic> jagginess: where do I paste?
[03:17] <jagginess> pyrokinetic, dunno.. check the topic :/
[03:17] <jagginess> !paste
[03:18] <pyrokinetic> jagginess: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216073/
[03:19] <jagginess> pyrokinetic, so use gparted live cd and grow /dev/sda5 .. if this is "/" then you'll need to rerun grub-install /dev/sda
[03:19] <jagginess> or use boot rescue iso etc.. if you want the easier way
[03:20] <Rug> when you run a command like: add-apt-repository it doesn't edit the file: /etc/apt/sources.list ....  What does it edit, and/or how do I 'fix' a mistake I entered?
[03:20] <pyrokinetic> jagginess: sda5 is /boot
[03:20] <pyrokinetic> jagginess: sda6 is / and sda7 is /home
[03:20] <delinquentme> in permissions drwxr-xr-x   ...
[03:21] <trism> Rug: it adds a file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[03:21] <delinquentme> d = directory
[03:21] <Rug> trism: thansk
[03:21] <pyrokinetic> jagginess: and my unallocated space also doesn't show up anywhere in the paste, but I'm guessing that's normal? or not..
[03:22] <jagginess> pyrokinetic, well can you move /boot with gparted ? it wouldnt even be a hundred meg
[03:22] <Rug> I have followed a few guides but still cannot get kontact to sync with Google.  Any suggestions on what to do?
[03:22] <pyrokinetic> jagginess: that's the problem, I can't 'move' or resize anything :\
[03:22] <Rug> I have added akondai google.data, it asked for my password, but it isn't syncing
[03:23] <Garr255> I need some help here... I installed a PPA package (bfgminer) and I have no clue where it went. I need to edit some configuration files.
[03:23] <jagginess> pyrokinetic, "gparted live cd".
[03:23] <jagginess> pyrokinetic, http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[03:23] <jagginess> (can make a usb out of it too)
[03:23] <pyrokinetic> jagginess: that's what I've been using. doesn't work, can't move the sliders at all.
[03:23] <jagginess> !ppa
[03:23] <jagginess> Garr255, ^
[03:24] <Garr255> Timeout error
[03:24] <Garr255> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.
[03:24] <Garr255> We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience.
[03:24] <Garr255> Does that mean you can answer me? :P
[03:25] <Garr255> I've scoured the hdd and google
[03:25] <Garr255> nothing...
[03:25] <Garr255> jagginess, ^ ;)
[03:26] <jagginess> i cant help you with anything ppa, but you can try to set it up checking the files installed-> dpkg -L <pakcagename>
[03:27] <Garr255> jagginess, that worked, thanks!
[03:27] <Garr255> jagginess, give me a bitcoin address and I'll give you half a bitcoin
[03:27] <Garr255> (~6 USD)
[03:29] <gogeta> Garr255: lol bitcoin
[03:29] <Garr255> jagginess, ohh my god, I'm derping. I was ftp'd into a different server than ssh...
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[03:40] <lotuspsychje> woot-0854:lets move to ot
[03:40] <woot-0854> ya
[03:41] <woot-0854> !ot
[03:41] <Nautilus> is this a suitable way to install a LAMP stack?  sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[03:41] <Notleet> !guidlines
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> !lamp | Nautilus
[03:41] <Nautilus> thanks, thats the page I got that from :)
[03:43] <Schnapper> Hey everybody
[03:44] <Anusien> I have ushare installed, and it created a /etc/init.d/ushare. How do I configure this to run automatically at boot?
[03:46] <zykotick9> Anusien: 1) i have NO idea what ushare is 2) FYI /etc/init.d is the old sysv - ubuntu uses upstart.  good luck.
[03:48] <Anusien> zykotick9: What ushare does is irrelevant, but it provides you with a name of a process. And upstart doesn't seem to play well with /etc/init.d/; you either have to convert from one to another or duplicate the effort. If you have upstart call the /etc/init.d/ file, it won't get the pid and be able to get status
[03:49] <zykotick9> Anusien: sorry.  i'm zero help on upstart (services on ubuntu).
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> !bum | Anusien
[03:56] <k_sze> How do I move, recursively, files from a path /a/ to a path /b/ while preserving the file mode and ownership of files and directories seen in /b/ (the target directory)?
[03:56] <zykotick9> k_sze: try -r and -a i believe
[03:57] <zykotick9> k_sze: oh, for mv i don't think it matters, i was thinking cp
[03:57] <zykotick9> k_sze: i'd use cp and test results before moving
[03:57] <k_sze> Does mv try to preserve the file modes and permissions from the source directory?
[03:58] <Nautilus> is it suitable to install phpmyadmin via the Software Center?
[03:58] <zykotick9> k_sze: i believe so
[03:58] <bluej774> Once upon a time there was an interactive OpenGL shader editor program available through the repositories.  I forget its name and now I can't find it.  Anybody know what I'm talking about?
[03:59] <Caradoc> k_sze: I use rsync for things like that, but it's takes a bit to learn
[03:59] <zykotick9> Caradoc: +1 on rsync suggestion
[04:00] <bluej774> I don't remember if it was for GLSL or cg, but that doesn't really matter.
[04:01] <Caradoc> k_sze: rync will do an intelligent, recursive copy, and if you do it again, it will only copy what changed
[04:01] <miniCruzer> my connection to my hidden wireless network will randomly time out and I don't know why. dmesg is filled with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216100/
[04:02] <sgo11> hard to explain my problem. basically the ping command does not work properly for many sites. I remembered this was because hosts are not designed properly for some reverse lookup or something. I can't express clearly. I remembered I could give an argument to ping to bypass this issue. but I forgot what argument/parameter I need to give to ping. I can not find it in man page...
[04:02] <woot-0854>  /exit
[04:03] <Xeus> I have a directory permission: drwxrwsrwx    --- How do I remove the s?
[04:03] <zykotick9> miniCruzer: i don't know what it means.  but, "wlan0: authentication with 4c:60:de:cf:d8:b6 timed out" is certainly not good.  best of luck.
[04:03] <Xeus> the sticky bit
[04:04] <Xeus> chmod 0777 doesn't remove it
[04:04] <quiescens> Xeus: chmod g-s
[04:04] <Xeus> quiescens: thanks
[04:04] <k_sze> so yeah, `man rsync` says that -p "preserve permissions", but is it permissions of the target, or permissions of the source?
[04:05] <quiescens> k_sze: preserve permissions usually means it will try to make the target's permissions the same as they were at the source
[04:05] <jrib> Xeus: the chmod command you gave should also work
[04:05] <k_sze> so that's not what I want. :D
[04:07] <Caradoc> k_sze: rsync -av source dest  // -a implies several other settings
[04:08] <Caradoc> k_sze: Oh, if you're trying to preserve the target permissions, that's harder.  Usually you want to copy the source's permissions to the target.
[04:08] <k_sze> Caradoc: In my case, I don't. Hehe, because the target permissions and ownership were set by Fantastico already.
[04:09] <k_sze> (trying to update a Drupal installation that was done through Fantastico)
[04:09] <mangdood_> Is it possible to make a "link" to a directory and still have that "link" have its own contents?
[04:10] <zykotick9> mangdood_: not really.  you're ALMOST, but not, talking about hard-links though
[04:10] <zykotick9> mangdood_: hard-links can't cross partition bounds!
[04:11] <mangdood_> zykotick9: Ah. So the most I can do is maintain soft-links to the contents of the folder I want.
[04:11] <zykotick9> mangdood_: if it's on a different filesystem, then yes.
[04:12] <zykotick9> mangdood_: unless you use rsync/unison or whatever.
[04:12] <Caradoc> k_sze: In my experience, that's usually messy.  Copy the files, then do a chmod -r to recursively change permissions, or chown -r to change owners, but then it will change everything to be the same.  I'll leave it to somebody else if there is a better way.
[04:12] <Xeus> jrib: it didn't for some reason
[04:12] <Xeus> anywho the g-s worked, thanks
[04:12] <miniCruzer> zykotick9: I rebooted router, we'll see how long of a fix that is
[04:12] <mangdood_> zykotick9: rsync would be too overkill for something like this, so it's fine. I think I'll just stick to symlinks then. Thanks
[04:13] <woot-0854> mangdood_: ln -s /dir/file /new/dir/file
[04:13] <zykotick9> mangdood_: woot-0854's suggestion IS what you're doing now right?
[04:13] <mangdood_> zykotick9: Yep
[04:13] <zykotick9> mangdood_: just checkin'
[04:14] <deviantlinux> Anyone have much experience with sox?  I'm trying to mix multiple files and handle volume for each one...
[04:15] <Nautilus> I've found a couple different command lines to install phpmyadmin but don't understand the details of the differences... can someone help me decide?   sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin  -or-  sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql phpmyadmin  -or-  ?
[04:16] <deviantlinux> Nautilus: why not just download it from the phpmyadmin site?
[04:16] <Nautilus> trying to find a common wasy to install softwares (in as much as that is possible).  Why would I do it one way or the other?
[04:17] <zykotick9> deviantlinux: downloading and installing source code is not a good way to admin a ubuntu/debian box.  that package will be completely unkown by the package management system (but it could be ESSENTIAL that PM system knows what very that package is...)
[04:17] <woot-0854> Nautilus: think, site gets new updates all the time
[04:18] <zykotick9> s/very/version/
[04:18] <deviantlinux> Nautilus: apt-get install anything is the most common way.  I'm just saying phpmyadmin is a collection of PHP scripts, so it's not really something I see a need to grab via apt-get heh
[04:18] <woot-0854> repos are just sites
[04:18] <Nautilus> zykotick9: ah thanks, thats what I was thinking
[04:18] <zykotick9> woot-0854: repos are sites that gets updates, and can be of confirmed working status...
[04:18]  * Caradoc is installing the new Linux version of Torchlight
[04:18] <WeThePeople> hi
[04:19] <Nautilus> deviantlinux: gotcha
[04:19] <witakr> Hello good people
[04:19] <woot-0854> witakr: hi
[04:19] <woot-0854> ty | zykotick9
[04:19] <witakr> I have a question.. Is this where I ask for help with xubuntu or should I try another channel?
[04:19] <Nautilus> ohhhh i think this libapache2-mod-auth-mysql is for use say in .htaccess?
[04:19] <woot-0854> !xubuntu
[04:20] <deviantlinux> Nautilus: that is an apache module, and is not really related to phpmyadmin...where did you see that you need that?
[04:20] <zykotick9> witakr: you can ask here.  or if ist specfic to xfce try #xubuntu.  either is fine though (bigger audience here, more specialized there ;)
[04:21] <Nautilus> deviantlinux: install instructions here.  Yea seems like an apache thing ... is it for https?
[04:21] <zykotick9> witakr: but don't cross post to both ;)
[04:21] <witakr> right. Thanks for that. I have xubuntu running already. Perhaps i should be more specific. I am having issues settign permissions on a secondary HD on my machine.
[04:21] <Nautilus> deviantlinux: here*: http://tuxtweaks.com/2012/04/installing-lamp-on-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/2/
[04:21] <mangdood_> Are there any problems exactly with installing packages with a large number of dependencies?
[04:21] <zykotick9> witakr: that actually sounds like something that #ubuntu COULD help you with... but choose whatever.
[04:21] <witakr> I have two HDs installed: one for my OS and another for my Plex media server. My Plex is not detecting my media and i am assuming it is an issue with permissions.
[04:22] <woot-0854> witakr: ohhh i like hardware :)
[04:22] <deviantlinux> Nautilus: I see.  Not sure then.  I use PMA all the time, and never seen a need for that apache module.
[04:22] <Nautilus> deviantlinux: and I could install it later if needed. ok thanks!
[04:24] <woot-0854> witakr: on /dev/???
[04:24] <chamunks> what are some reasons why I might be getting a corrupt disk image on my usb boot of 12 04 server
[04:24] <chamunks> its just not verifying a single conf file.
[04:25] <woot-0854> witakr: do you know the location of the device in the /dev directory?
[04:25] <mangdood_> chamunks: perhaps the download had an error? You can try getting a checksum of the image you downloaded
[04:25] <witakr> UBUNTU! I choose you! Use KNOWLEDGE! - I am trying to set permissions for my secondary HD to allow read/write from my Plex Media Server/Manager but when I try to set them in the Property option under the permissions tab The changes to not stick. When i try to use chown in terminal I get a permission denied and when i use chmod the changes I request do not seem to be made.
[04:26] <chamunks> mangdood_, http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server doesn't appear to provide a sha or md5
[04:26] <woot-0854> witakr: you never awnsered my question
[04:26] <witakr> Sorry, I was typing and missed your comments to me.. One sec while I catch up.
[04:26] <woot-0854> witakr: what is the /dev location?
[04:26] <prishabh> hi, anyone used schroot ?
[04:26] <prishabh> I need to execute a command and pass it an option, but it seems like the options passed to the command is ignored.
[04:27] <ActionParsnip> prishabh: i've used chroot, not schroot...
[04:27] <witakr> woot-0854, the location of My HD?
[04:27] <prishabh> schroot is cool when you wanna chroot as a regular user :)
[04:27] <Nautilus> LAMP and PMA all working!
[04:27] <Nautilus> !unity
[04:27] <witakr> woot-0854, /media/witTV/ whereas "witTV" is the name of my media HD
[04:27] <prishabh> ActionParsnip: I don't know but does options work fine with chroot ? $ chroot /path/to cmd -o ?
[04:27] <woot-0854> the one that isn't working?  are you getting any file in the /dev directory pointing to the disk?
[04:27] <prishabh> with schroot the -o seems to get ignored :(
[04:27] <ActionParsnip> prishabh: usually you chroot to fix stuff, so being root aint all bad :)
[04:28] <Nautilus> utoh, http://unity.ubuntu.com looks sick
[04:28] <ActionParsnip> prishabh: you'll have to read man chroot
[04:28] <woot-0854> witakr: type mount in the terminal and look for that /media/witTV
[04:28] <prishabh> Nautilus: I get WP PHP Errors
[04:28] <witakr> woot-0854, ok
[04:28] <mangdood_> chamunks: I'ma look around. I haven't been on the ubuntu webpage in a long while
[04:28] <prishabh> ActionParsnip: hmm
[04:28] <Nautilus> prishabh: me too
[04:28] <woot-0854> its in dev ?
[04:28] <crizis> wordpress quality
[04:28] <crizis> works if you refresh anyway
[04:28] <chamunks> mangdood_, much appreciated.
[04:28] <Nautilus> oh, worked on 3rd try
[04:29] <witakr> woot-0854, I found this: "    /dev/sdb1 on /media/witTV type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096)   "
[04:29] <woot-0854> witakr: nice
[04:29] <woot-0854> witakr: cd /dev
[04:30] <woot-0854> witakr: ls -al sdb1
[04:30] <woot-0854> what are the wrx---r--?
[04:30] <witakr> woot-0854,  "    brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 17 Sep 19 23:20 sdb1    "
[04:31] <woot-0854> sudo chmod u+x sdb1
[04:31] <ActionParsnip> woot-0854: that won't do anything :)
[04:31] <blackshirt> woot-0854: what you need ?
[04:31] <mangdood_> chamunks: http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[04:31] <woot-0854> sudo chmod 0775 sdb1
[04:31] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: well, not really.  but it SHOULDN'T be done.
[04:31] <witakr> woot-0854,  new ls -al : "    brwxrw---- 1 root disk 8, 17 Sep 19 23:20 sdb1    "
[04:32] <woot-0854> oh
[04:32] <woot-0854> i see it
[04:32] <woot-0854> cd /media/TV
[04:32] <witakr> woot-0854, new after chmod: "     brwxrwxr-x 1 root disk 8, 17 Sep 19 23:20 sdb1     "
[04:32] <Nautilus> http://unity.ubuntu.com seems to be short on basic user info.  I get the idea but looking to read up on it. tips?
[04:33] <woot-0854> witakr: still not working?
[04:33]  * zykotick9 wonders what fuseblk as a filesystem means?
[04:33] <tizz> hello!
[04:33] <tizz> is there someone here who can help me?
[04:34] <rbrooks> hi
[04:34] <woot-0854> :)
[04:34] <mangdood_> chamunks: The page should have the checksum files listed on the page... not that I would know much about it; first time I've seen the page
[04:34] <tizz> hi, i'm having wine trouble
[04:34] <witakr> woot-0854,  No, Plex is still not decting my media. Perhpps it was not an issue with permissions as I expected considering what you instructed me to do seems to ahve worked.
[04:34] <woot-0854> witakr: dont change anything for a sec
[04:34] <tizz> any wine pros here?
[04:34] <zykotick9> tizz: installing wine or using wine?  if it's installing ask here, if using try #winehq
[04:34] <witakr> woot-0854, However, my original problem, Plex not detecting my media, is still present.
[04:35] <witakr> woot-0854,  ok
[04:35] <tizz> ok thanks zyko
[04:35] <woot-0854> cd /dev || chmod u-x,g-x,o-rx sdb1
[04:35] <zykotick9> !tab > tizz
[04:35] <woot-0854> witakr: ls -a
[04:35] <woot-0854> in /dev
[04:36] <witakr> woot-0854,  While still cd'd in media/witTV?
[04:36] <woot-0854> naw cd into /dev
[04:36] <chamunks> mangdood_, found it :) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes#head-be34311205f11c747d4e163c597629c1d4627861
[04:36] <witakr> woot-0854, ok
[04:36] <woot-0854> YAr talk like Pirate day is at its end.
[04:37] <zykotick9> woot-0854: fyi in /dev - the difference between "ls" and "ls -a" is seeing the . and .. directories
[04:37] <mangdood_> chamunks: Well still, the release page is still more general for the hashes, I would think
[04:37] <chamunks> mangdood_, I've downloaded "DownThemAll" addon for firefox and just stuck the hash directly into that so it checks as it downloads to confirm its correct.
[04:37] <woot-0854> witakr: sorry
[04:37] <woot-0854> ls -la sdb1
[04:37] <witakr> woot-0854, It returned a long list. What do you need from it?
[04:37] <chamunks> mangdood_, sorry?
[04:37] <woot-0854> just sdb1
[04:37] <witakr> woot-0854, ok
[04:37] <woot-0854> need to look at the mods to make sure they are default
[04:37] <mangdood_> chamunks: Uh, I linked you http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/ in case you missed it
[04:38] <chamunks> mangdood_, oh ok yes i did apparently.
[04:38] <zykotick9> witakr: i'm afraid you're being lead up a strange path...
[04:38] <witakr> woot-0854, Return on ls: brwxrwxr-x 1 root disk 8, 17 Sep 19 23:20 sdb1
[04:38] <tizz> thank you zykotick9
[04:38] <nicaury> i have ubuntu 12.04 server install with raid1 today i reboot the system and the system no boot and have this error "UNKNOWN LVM METADATA HEADER". how to fix?
[04:38] <woot-0854> chmod u-x,g-x,o-rx sdb1
[04:38] <zykotick9> lol, witakr don't do that.
[04:38] <witakr> zykotick9, Like Alice? lol
[04:39] <zykotick9> witakr: changing permissions on devices is useless.
[04:39] <akis> hi all. i am using thunderbird to recieve my emails. i installed an extension which was usable and i remove it. i cannot see a related dir in my /home under /thunderbird/exrensions. Is that a proof that extension was completlely remove or is it possible that there are some corrupted files somewhere else?
[04:39] <zykotick9> witakr: chaning permission os filesystems is helpful.
[04:39] <woot-0854> zykotick9: works fine
[04:39] <woot-0854> ur just gui
[04:40] <woot-0854> zykotick9: I maintained the sticky bit
[04:40] <witakr> zykotick9, Ok. Perhaps knowing my desired end result I can better show with what i need help.
[04:40] <zykotick9> lol, "ur just gui" - OMG i'm dieing.
[04:40] <nicaury> sorry look this problem i have ubuntu 12.04 server install with raid1 today i reboot the system and the system no boot and have this error "UNKNOWN LVM METADATA HEADER". how to fix?
[04:40] <ActionParsnip> woot-0854: the changes in /dev won't stick as they are in tempfs :)
[04:41] <woot-0854> ActionParsnip: NICE! no fstab
[04:41] <witakr> zykotick9, I am trying to set up Plex Media Server on my machine using my secondary HD as storage for my media. I have plex installed and running however it is not detecting my media. Any ideas?
[04:41] <woot-0854> that was where I was trying to go with it
[04:41] <ActionParsnip> woot-0854: the changes will be lost next boot though
[04:42] <zykotick9> witakr: i've seen your "plex media server" issue - i can't help.  i have 0 idea what you need, but i guess it's SAMBA shares (and i don't help with that)
[04:42] <witakr> zykotick9, I understand. Thank you for your consideration.
[04:42] <woot-0854> lol @ sticky bits :p
[04:43] <zykotick9> witakr: but trying to change permissions on /dev stuff is certainly Alice ;)
[04:43] <witakr> Is there anyone here who is familiar with Plex media server and Plex media manager? I have them installed but PMM is not detecting my media on my secondary HD.
[04:44] <woot-0854> witakr: is it apple?
[04:44] <nicaury> sorry look this problem i have ubuntu 12.04 server install with raid1 today i reboot the system and the system no boot and have this error "UNKNOWN LVM METADATA HEADER". how to fix?
[04:45] <witakr> woot-0854, Apple as in the company? As in the evil but scarily accurate representation of what is wrong with corporate mentality in the US? that Apple? No.
[04:46] <woot-0854> !woot | !woot
[04:47] <f00dMonsta> sadface, i wanted to use Unbuntu longer... but visual studio > me
[04:51] <s3r3n1t7> my mouse icon seems to repond rather slow. The moving is just fine, but if the icon changes to the busy icon and back it takes about 5-10 seconds longer than how long it actually is busy.
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> is there another alternative for webcamstudio, streaming a video forced to webcam?
[04:52] <DrManhattan> webcamstudio is the only thing I've seen work in linux
[04:52] <DrManhattan> pretty weak, you have camtwist in osx and a load of things in windows
[04:54] <nicaury> sorry look this problem i have ubuntu 12.04 server install with raid1 today i reboot the system and the system no boot and have this error "UNKNOWN LVM METADATA HEADER". how to fix?
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> DrManhattan:tnx mate im not sure howto stream in webcamstudio, got any good tut?
[04:54] <DrManhattan> lotuspsychje, nah, I've only streamed with vlc and mencoder
[04:54] <witakr> It seems the Plex channel is asleep. Is there anyone here who is familiar with Plex?
[04:54] <zykotick9> woot-0854: just to show my GUI'ness, http://imagebin.org/229064 the WM is called awesome (if you haven't seen it before).  One of my mottos "if i can't run it in screen, what good is it to me?"
[04:57] <woot-0854> zykotick9: lawl i dont have a xsession atm :)
[04:58] <Nautilus> I've set my unity launcher to disappear until I shove cursor left, but I'm remoted in and it isn't working.  How can I get back to undo that setting?
[04:59] <zykotick9> woot-0854: even using screen to have multiple terminals displayed on the VTs, i still MUCH prefer the power of Xorg even if it's the power to display multiple terminals ;)
[05:00] <woot-0854> there i got it had to cat
[05:00] <woot-0854> thats cool
[05:00] <woot-0854> tmux?
[05:00] <MarconM> good night
[05:00] <MarconM> \o
[05:01] <witakr> Nautilus, Perhaps this video on youtube will help you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwRBZuloWVs
[05:01] <witakr> I promise it is not a Risk Astley video.
[05:01] <woot-0854> witakr: have you tired opening drive with diffrent O.S.?
[05:02] <Nautilus> witakr: thanks, and lol
[05:03] <ActionParsnip> witakr: i loved that rick roll thing, great song :)
[05:03] <witakr> woot-0854, I use only Xubuntu but I have had Win7, LinuxMind, and OpenSUSE installed and had no trouble accessing the drive. Furthermore, I am able to access and make changes to it in Xubuntu how ever my problem with Plex led me to believe there may be an issue with permissions.
[05:03] <zykotick9> witakr: is it a upnp server you need?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers#UPNP_Mediaserver for 2 options.
[05:04] <Nautilus> witakr: That video shows how to make it auto-hide. I did that already.  I need it to show again
[05:04] <witakr> Nautilus, No problem. Hope that helps.
[05:04] <woot-0854> witakr: eek, not what I wanted to hear
[05:04] <Nautilus> is there a kbd shortcut?
[05:04] <witakr> Nautilus, yes but in setting it to auto-hide you can deduce how to undo that change.
[05:05] <Nautilus> witakr: I cant get to the settings page!
[05:05] <Nautilus> witakr: Ohhhh, right-click on dexktop. sorry
[05:07] <witakr> zykotick9, I think that may be what I need. Possibly. Thank you. I will check in to that link.
[05:08] <woot-0854> zykotick9: do you use vlc?
[05:09] <witakr> ActionParsnip, Yes, I agree. Although when I was inadvertently routed to that video I was disappointed to find something other than what i desired at that moment, I always finished the video. I enjoy the song as well.
[05:22] <jinu> hi
[05:22] <blackshirt> hi jinu
[05:24] <jinu> My linux crash with the error : BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ffffffff991131e0
[05:25] <akis> i am looking for a command to see if my modem is installed on ttys0. efax-gtk cannot open ttys0.
[05:33] <woot-0854> zykotick9: >
[05:33] <ActionParsnip> jinu: have you tested your RAM using memtest86+ from Grub
[05:34] <ActionParsnip> akis: dmesg | grep tty    may show it
[05:35] <akis> system returns: [    0.000000] console [tty0] enabled
[05:36] <Lasivian> heya, new to 12.04, and cannot figure out how to edit the default window manager
[05:37] <woot-0854> Lasivian: window manager?
[05:37] <Lasivian> woot-0854: This might be Gnome, I cannot figure out how to get to the meat of the GUI
[05:38] <woot-0854> Lasivian: you trying to install new theme or modify !GNOME?
[05:38] <Lasivian> modify
[05:38] <woot-0854> tried compiz?
[05:38] <Lasivian> I want bars in different places, I want 4 desktops again, etc
[05:38] <Lasivian> compiz says another manager is loaded
[05:39] <slowz> Lasivian: install myunity, it will allow you to edit quite a bit of options
[05:39] <Lasivian> thanks
[05:39] <woot-0854> ty | slowz
[05:39] <Lasivian> at least now I can google Unity for more info :)
[05:40] <somethinginteres> trying to find a super easy way to change my DNS servers via a script. Looked on Google, no luck.
[05:41] <woot-0854> somethinginteres: new ip?
[05:41] <akis> !modem
[05:43] <Rockhound> hi
[05:43] <Rockhound> anyone know how to save upper terminal work in a txt file??
[05:44] <woot-0854> Rockhound: what is upper terminal?
[05:44] <Hatori> rockhound,whay you mean with upper terminal?
[05:45] <Rockhound> sorry i mean i how to save scroll back data in a txt file?
[05:45] <woot-0854> Rockhound: scroll back?
[05:45] <woot-0854> like long output?
[05:45] <Hatori> you mean redirection?
[05:45] <Hatori> Some command > somefile.txt
[05:46] <Rockhound> no no i know tht already
[05:46] <Rockhound> i mean scrollback data
[05:46] <Rockhound> like if i typed ls command
[05:46] <woot-0854> ps -ef|cat > somefile.txt?
[05:46] <woot-0854> like that?
[05:46] <Rockhound> now i hav to save it a txt file without using ls > a.txt
[05:47] <Spoom> anyone have any idea about how long it ought to take to reformat a hard drive off a live cd?
[05:47] <Spoom> GParted just says "operation pending" and i don't know the progres
[05:47] <Spoom> progress*
[05:48] <woot-0854> Spoom: I have had 2min-20min
[05:48] <woot-0854> Spoom: on damaged hd
[05:48] <Spoom> so like 90 minutes is an indication that something's going wrong
[05:48] <woot-0854> Spoom: I would assume
[05:48] <woot-0854> 3gbps?
[05:48] <woot-0854> gigs?
[05:49] <Spoom> it's like 128 gigs
[05:49] <jinu> ActionParsnip: ya
[05:49] <Rockhound> no
[05:49] <jinu> I got error like this 'error:too small lower memory'
[05:49] <Rockhound> like if i some did some worked in terminal and now i have to save it in a txt file?
[05:49] <Spoom> what's another good way to wipe a drive then? i'm trying to get it ready to get windows reinstalled on it
[05:49] <Spoom> and GParted isn't cutting it
[05:49] <woot-0854> fdisk
[05:50] <woot-0854> or the parted command
[05:50] <Spoom> alright thanks
[05:50] <Spoom> i'll check that out
[05:50] <woot-0854> :)
[05:51] <Rockhound> hello
[05:51] <Hatori> hello
[05:51] <woot-0854> what is service stop command?
[05:51] <Rockhound> plz help if i did some work in terminal and now i have to save it in a txt file..how to make it possible?
[05:52] <woot-0854> like to stop vnc
[05:52] <jinu> ActionParsnip: is it a problem with my RAM?
[05:59] <akis> why although my driver's modem is installed (http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216201/) efax cannot open ttys0 (http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216202/)? Any idea to fix it?
[06:00] <ActionParsnip> jinu: possibly
[06:00] <int_ua> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com looks down from here.
[06:01] <ActionParsnip> int_ua: works here, try http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[06:01] <int_ua> it was copypaste from isup.me
[06:02] <int_ua> ActionParsnip: have you checked it seconds ago? I'm in Ukraine and you?
[06:02] <ActionParsnip> hi chalcedony
[06:02] <ActionParsnip> int_ua: yes, just before I got the page test page
[06:02] <chalcedony> ActionParsnip, very lovely to see you
[06:02] <WACOMalt> hey folks I have a big problem. I was using VirtualBox and my display freaked out (never done that before in long time use) Unity got all garbled and I had to reboot. On reboot I get this error. Typically this was in tty1 but I managed to get unity to launch from a terminal this time and the same error printed there (and I could grab it now) anyways can anyone tell me what this is?
[06:02] <WACOMalt> http://www.blindmanstudio.com/dropbox/Selection_012.png
[06:02] <ActionParsnip> int_ua: can you ping the domain by name?
[06:03] <ActionParsnip> int_ua: ping -c 4 cdimage.ubuntu.com
[06:03] <int_ua> 64 bytes from zaniah.canonical.com (91.189.92.164): icmp_req=1 ttl=53 time=42.2 ms
[06:04] <int_ua> ActionParsnip: oh, and the browser just loaded it
[06:04] <ActionParsnip> int_ua: I get 91.189.92.174
[06:05] <int_ua> ActionParsnip: looks like it's under heavy load. Takes half a minute to respond
[06:05] <cowsquad> can anyone tell me how to add files with ark to a current directory
[06:06] <WACOMalt> ugh, its happening again
[06:06] <int_ua> and 91.189.92.174 is instant
[06:06] <WACOMalt> Why every time I change ANYTHING in compiz does my whole unity crash and refuse to restart
[06:06] <WACOMalt> Currently running without a window manager :/ lucky I can type this time
[06:07] <ActionParsnip> WACOMalt: how are you modifying your compiz settings?
[06:07] <WACOMalt> compiz config manager
[06:07] <WACOMalt> or whatever it is
[06:07] <ActionParsnip> WACOMalt: thats why
[06:07] <WACOMalt> O_o
[06:07] <WACOMalt> everything says to use that...
[06:07] <ActionParsnip> WACOMalt: use myunity or ubuntu-tweak
[06:07] <ActionParsnip> WACOMalt: yeah its known to cause issues
[06:07] <WACOMalt> why is compiz manager available in the repos if it doesnt work?
[06:08] <WACOMalt> ok, how do I get unity back then
[06:08] <WACOMalt> && unity
[06:08] <ActionParsnip> WACOMalt: run:  unity --reset
[06:08] <WACOMalt> ok we're back
[06:09] <WACOMalt> the error is in d-bus in compiz settings
[06:09] <WACOMalt> I need to turn that setting on for Shutter to work
[06:10] <WACOMalt> how do I notify the Ubuntu folks to take compiz-settings-manager down from the repos?
[06:10] <WACOMalt> umm Closed out the terminal that was running unity aparantly
[06:10] <bazhang> WACOMalt, you dont. file a bug
[06:11] <WACOMalt> if its know to cause problems I figured there already was one (in which case, no action has been taken to at least prevent peoplke from downloading it?))
[06:11] <WACOMalt> I'll file one though
[06:11] <WACOMalt> Ok, where in Unity-Tweak are the compiz settings and how do I enable d-bus access?
[06:12] <ActionParsnip> WACOMalt: ubuntu-tweak, it's in a 3rd party PPA. myunity is in the official repos
[06:12] <WACOMalt> I have Ubuntu Tweak
[06:12] <WACOMalt> where are the compiz settings
[06:13] <ActionParsnip> please? do you have zero manners?
[06:13] <ActionParsnip> WACOMalt: not sure to be honest, if you flick around you'll bump into stuff you can tweak
[06:13] <witakr> OOOOOOOOOOKK... Well, I think I have confirmation on my theory regarding restricted permissions on my secondary HD. My Plex log files is returning a "Permission Denied" error in its log file.
[06:14] <WACOMalt> Sorry If I'm being rude, I'm just kinda suprised that a known buggy software is ravaging my system... Thank you for your help, I know you dont get paid for the support and I do appreciate it.
[06:15] <WACOMalt> Does anyone know where compiz settings are in Unity Tweak please? I cannot find them.
[06:15] <WACOMalt> or, is it possible to activate D-Bus access via a cofig file somewhere?
[06:17] <ActionParsnip> WACOMalt: have you tried in myunity
[06:18] <WACOMalt> I havent, I'll get it.
[06:18] <WACOMalt> is it in a PPA or in the software center?
[06:18] <ActionParsnip> WACOMalt: Compiz can be a real pain, I just avoid it. Totally not worth it imho
[06:18] <ActionParsnip> !info myunity
[06:19] <WACOMalt> that told me not much :P
[06:19] <WACOMalt> component universe? O_o
[06:20] <ActionParsnip> WACOMalt: yes, enable universe repo and install. You probably already enabled it
[06:20] <WACOMalt> is leaving a review on compiz settings manager the same as filing a bug? if not, where do I report a bug?
[06:20] <sliffstar> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=node%3D468204&field-keywords=php&rh=n%3A283155%2Cn%3A!2349030011%2Cn%3A465600%2Cn%3A468204%2Ck%3Aphp
[06:20] <WACOMalt> ah yes, there it is
[06:21] <smoothseas> I have a gui app called CompizConfig on my Ubuntu system
[06:21] <bazhang> sliffstar, whats that. why post that here
[06:21] <WACOMalt> smoothseas, dont use it. ever.
[06:22] <WACOMalt> ok ActionParsnip I am in MyUnity now, do you know where I should look?
[06:22] <ActionParsnip> WACOMalt: not sure, I'm at work on windows at the moment, sorry
[06:22] <WACOMalt> ok
[06:22] <WACOMalt> What files do these tools actually edit? Specifically the broken compiz settings manager?  Id rather just edit the configs and manually enable dbus access
[06:23] <nlkl> :)
[06:23] <WACOMalt> or cleanly disable it at this point, it seems to be 1/2 and 1/2 enabled
[06:23] <nickBuntu> hey all
[06:23] <nlkl> nickBuntu hi :)
[06:23] <nickBuntu> can someone tell me what i can't ftp into .gvfs dir?
[06:24] <nickBuntu> I have proftp setup on ubuntu 12.04
[06:24] <usr13> nickBuntu: localhost
[06:24] <nickBuntu> I want to provide ftp acces into the .gvfs folder so the files are downloadable/viewable via ftp
[06:24] <usr13> nickBuntu: ftp localhost
[06:25] <usr13> nickBuntu: So what is .gvfs?
[06:25] <smoothseas> works fine for me WACOM
[06:25] <WACOMalt> until it doesnt
[06:25] <WACOMalt> it worked fine for me for awhile too
[06:25] <WACOMalt> try enabling D-Bus
[06:25] <nickBuntu> .gvfs is Gnome Virtual File System for mounting smb;// without root
[06:26] <smoothseas> maybe something else caused YOUR problems
[06:26] <bazhang> WACOMalt, so file a bug. complaining here will accomplish nothing
[06:26] <WACOMalt> I'm not complaining.. I'm warning.
[06:26] <nickBuntu> I've tried symbolic links into the folder.  wont work, permission denied messages
[06:26] <bazhang> WACOMalt, what exactly are you trying to do, be very clear.
[06:26] <usr13> nickBuntu: Normally, services like ftp work on user access.
[06:26] <WACOMalt> I am trying to enable D-Bus access to Shutter (a promoted app in the software center) will work
[06:27] <nickBuntu> HHHmmmm I think the sudo is playing permissions
[06:27] <usr13> nickBuntu: What exactly is .gvfs ?
[06:27] <WACOMalt> when I checked that box in compiz everything glitched out, unity crashed, and I had a heck of a time getting it back up to even uninstall compiz settings manager
[06:27] <nickBuntu> .gvfs is Gnome Virtual File system for mounting smb:// and other file systems
[06:28] <WACOMalt> It is certainly possible that something else caused it but from the error message it seems the d-bus settings are now borked, which seems logical that compiz settings manager caused since I checked the box only in that program
[06:28] <gerbilcabbagehai> do you guys deal with ubuntu cli here?
[06:28] <bazhang> gerbilcabbagehai, whats the real question
[06:29] <WACOMalt> In any case, my current question is how can I reset my compiz settings to default, and then manually enable D-Bus access, either through myunity, ubuntu tweak, or manually editing config files.
[06:29] <gerbilcabbagehai> i have lots of questions. all to do with cli. Is this the right place to ask them (im not ready to ask them yet) or should i look for another room?
[06:29] <bazhang> gerbilcabbagehai, try and see
[06:30] <gerbilcabbagehai> thanks bazhang :)
[06:30] <bazhang> WACOMalt, ask in #compiz
[06:30] <WACOMalt> ok, thanks bazhang
[06:31] <Lasivian> ahhhh, hoorah, gnomed again
[06:31] <akis> anyone can help me to make efax-gtk to open my modem port (ttySL0)? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216218/
[06:31] <usr13> nickBuntu: So, the ".gvfs" filesystem in the users home directory. Right?
[06:31] <blackshirt> gerbilcabbagehai: yes, you can do ask here
[06:33] <usr13> nickBuntu: http://blog.colovirt.com/2009/12/07/linux-filesystem-gnome-virtual-file-system-gvfs-remote-connectivity-cli/
[06:34] <nickBuntu> yeh usr13
[06:34] <nickBuntu> it's in the users home directory
[06:34] <WACOMalt> Hmm #compiz's response is far from optimistic. They claim Canonical's code is to blame. :/ I really dont want to get caught in a finger pointing battle here, but in you guy's oppinion, where does the fault lie that is causing Compiz settings manager (or just compiz itself?) to be so buggy? So that I may properly report my bugs.
[06:35] <WACOMalt> Again, I'm not complaining. I just want to get this fixed. So far it seem slike it hasnt improved since the first time I used compiz (years ago)
[06:35] <usr13> nickBuntu: Yea, so where are you running into difficulty.
[06:37] <WACOMalt> How much does professional support from Ubuntu cost? I'm willing to pay whatever it costs to get this fixed...
[06:39] <WACOMalt> wait a minute... is it a possibility that Shutter is incorrectly acessing compiz's D-Bus library and causing this problem?
[06:39] <gerbilcabbagehai> WACOMalt: if you want paid support http://www.ubuntu.com/business/services/contact is probably your best best
[06:39] <gerbilcabbagehai> *bet
[06:40] <WACOMalt> ok, thank you very much
[06:40] <WACOMalt> ugh, two working days T_T
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[06:40] <WACOMalt> O_o
[06:40] <WACOMalt> That's two days of income I dont make...
[06:41] <usr13> WACOMalt: http://www.ubuntu.com/business/services/contact
[06:42] <WACOMalt> already got it usr13 but thanks
[06:42] <gerbilcabbagehai> WACOMalt: are you in need of tech support "right away"?
[06:42] <el> udshf
[06:42] <WACOMalt> yes.
[06:42] <el> olas
[06:42] <el> amores
[06:42] <usr13> WACOMalt: (You can cll them on the phone...)
[06:42] <el> cmo stan
[06:42] <WACOMalt> I have to work tomorrow morning
[06:42] <FloodBot1> el: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:42] <WACOMalt> oh!
[06:42] <Guest90254> fuck
[06:42] <IdleOne> !language | Guest90254
[06:43] <WACOMalt> usr13, where is the phone support number?
[06:43] <usr13> Main switchboard number: +44 20 7630 2400
[06:44] <WACOMalt> what country is that?
[06:44] <IdleOne> London
[06:44] <gerbilcabbagehai> other contact details also : http://www.ubuntu.com/contact-us WACOMalt
[06:44] <WACOMalt> ok, long distance time :P
[06:44] <Guest90254> aoras
[06:44] <WACOMalt> there we go, thank you gerbilcabbagehai
[06:44] <Guest90254> dnd verga verga toii
[06:44] <Guest90254> valen todos verga mmv
[06:45] <WACOMalt> !it Guest90254
[06:45] <WACOMalt> hmm what's the italian command :P
[06:45] <usr13> !it | Guest12435
[06:45] <WACOMalt> ah forgot the pipe.
[06:45] <IdleOne> that wasn't italian
[06:45] <IdleOne> anyway, they are gonre
[06:45] <IdleOne> gone*
[06:45] <WACOMalt> oh sorry, google translate detected it as italian.
[06:46] <gerbilcabbagehai> \o/
[06:46] <WACOMalt> ok well I guess I cant find out much more in here or #compiz tonight. Thank you guys for what you were able to help me with, at least I know the fault is somewhere in the compiz code. I'll try to file a bug report tonight.
[06:48] <witakr> Is there a way to allow specific software permissions to read/write to a specific drive or directory therein?
[06:49] <usr13> witakr: Yes
[06:50] <witakr> Could someone help walk me through the process of allowing specific software permission to read/write to a specific drive or directory therein?
[06:51] <bazhang> witakr, need details, a lot more
[06:51] <Zhil> Can I add my own applications to the "quick search"?
[06:53] <witakr> I have a secondary HD which i use to store media such as movies and music. I am running Plex (from plexapp.com) to manage that media an allow me to stream them to my other devices. A log file from the plex app tells me that during a scan of my secondary HD for media it was given an error of "Permission Denied".
[06:54] <witakr> bazhang, Perhaps if I set the permissions properly the plex app will be able to scan and access those media files.
[06:54] <gerbilcabbagehai> what is the command to mount a usb drive and copy the entire contents over to... documents?
[06:54] <witakr> bazhang,  This is what I am trying to accomplish.
[06:57] <subcool_> TJ-, me
[06:57] <gerbilcabbagehai> what is the command to identify devices? ls?
[06:57] <bazhang> gerbilcabbagehai, lsusb? lspci? sudo lshw? dmesg? which one
[06:58] <blackshirt> gerbilcabbagehai: you should identify your devices, you can use it with fdisk -l
[06:58] <gerbilcabbagehai> thanks blackshirt
[06:58] <blackshirt> gerbilcabbagehai: and show the output, ensure that devices was your usb
[06:59] <witakr> From my last scan attmept this was produce and logged in the Plex Server log file: Sep 20, 2012 01:58:22 [0x7f1898310740] WARN - Caught exception while scanning Movies: boost::filesystem::status: Permission denied: "/media/witTV/witTV/Movies"
[07:00] <test__> Hello! could someone help with the ubuntu 12.04 and ALC262 sound card problem? I managed to get sound by using this: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/ppa; sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sudo apt-get install linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils gdm ubuntu-desktop  linux-image-`uname -r` libasound2; sudo apt-get -y --reinstall install linux-sound-base alsa-base...
[07:00] <test__> ...alsa-utils gdm ubuntu-desktop  linux-image-`uname -r` libasound2; killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.pulse*; sudo usermod -aG `cat /etc/group | grep -e '^pulse:' -e '^audio:' -e '^pulse-access:' -e '^pulse-rt:' -e '^video:' | awk -F: '{print $1}' | tr '\n' ',' | sed 's:,$::g'` `whoami`
[07:01] <gerbilcabbagehai> blackshirt: do i need to sudo with that?
[07:01] <test__> but the problem is when i put in headphone jack it plays both headphones and speakers and when i pull it out sound is gone and then i have to do reinstall because it won't come back
[07:02] <blackshirt> gerbilcabbagehai: usually not needed
[07:02] <gerbilcabbagehai> when i type fdisk -l nothing happens
[07:02] <mcatch_> woot
[07:03] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: sudo required
[07:03] <mcatch_> finally got ubuntu working! so glad to be back and learning linux again
[07:03] <mcatch_> piece of advice, don't dual boot ubuntu w/ windows 8... was a nightmare and a half. had to revert back to win7
[07:03] <gerbilcabbagehai> better, thanks somsip
[07:04] <test__> anyone
[07:04] <test__> ?
[07:04] <blackshirt> test__: what you need ?
[07:04] <gerbilcabbagehai> somsip: is there a way to auto mount usb in cli?
[07:04] <test__> it's written above would be ubuntu 12.04 and ALC262 sound card problem
[07:05] <test__> when jack is in sound comes from everywhere when its out no sound and reinstall couse sound is gone forever
[07:06] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: I had this - it wouldn't recognise inserted USB drives in 12.04 64bit? I got it working, so I'll see if I can remind myself what I did...
[07:06] <gerbilcabbagehai> i have 32bit
[07:06] <gerbilcabbagehai> if that helps / changes anything
[07:07] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: any error message - like 'Not Authorised' when you try to access it?
[07:08] <sovan> haritage@2008
[07:08] <gerbilcabbagehai> no, it's working properly doing it manually, i just want to make it easier on myself when i have lots of usb sticks to copy over to my server :)
[07:08] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: sorry -  different problem to what I had then
[07:09] <Ileden> Problem: My netbook loses it's WLAN capability after a random amount of time. It still sees all the networks, and tries to connect to them, but fails (promprts for authentication key). This does happen in the middle of using the WLAN. A reboot always fixes the issue. This does not happen in Win7 (dualboot). Only started to do this after 12.04 update.
[07:09] <Ileden> How should I try to debug this to pinpoint the problem?
[07:11] <gerbilcabbagehai> i saw something (script?) about automounting audio cd's, ripping them to drive in flac, then transcoding them to mp3. I have a fair amount of cd's that i want to get onto my home server. and usb files with some of my work backups. id like to streamline my process by creating a automount usb script, so that i can plug in, walk away
[07:12] <gerbilcabbagehai> i need some help in creating said scripts and or command line commands while I do this.
[07:12] <test__> sometimes this channel is as helpful as a dead horse...
[07:12]  * gerbilcabbagehai kicks the dead horse
[07:12] <gerbilcabbagehai> :)
[07:14] <gerbilcabbagehai> test__: I know i've done some audio work in ubuntu and had a nightmare of a time. maybe i can help you think the issues through? what have you tried already?
[07:16] <gerbilcabbagehai> test__: Q, why would removing hardware, i.e. your headphone jack remove sound? is there likely to be another problem?
[07:17] <test__> no i mean i reinstall oall os couse after pluging in and out the jack i didn't manage to turn it bask on not from system sound setings nor with alsamixer
[07:17] <gerbilcabbagehai> cli or gui?
[07:17] <Ileden> gerbilcabbagehai: You might try askubuntu.com or superuser.com, if nobody on this channel is interested.
[07:18] <gerbilcabbagehai> test__: cli or gui?
[07:19] <test__> what does that mean? Be aware you are comunicating with a total Linux noob
[07:19] <gerbilcabbagehai> i am too test__ :) cli = command line interface, gui = graphical user interface
[07:20] <test__> gui
[07:20] <witakr> I may or may not return. I need to restart. Thank you for your help.
[07:21] <gerbilcabbagehai> i find it strange that unplugging a jack would cause your system to lose all sound. i suspect there is a different problem. Why are you using that script and where did you get it from? test__
[07:22] <test__> Googled "sound troubleshooting ubuntu" it's from ubuntu site
[07:23] <somsip> test__: it's not good form to suggest googling here, but if you search for "ubuntu 12.04 and ALC262 sound card problem" you will find that this soundcard seems to be a problem with ubuntu. Have you tried any other solutions as it's clearly quiet time in here and not many people are around to help
[07:23] <gerbilcabbagehai> test__: can i assume your speakers are plugged into the back of the computer and the headphones are plugged into the speaker jack?
[07:24] <test__> I even found that there is registered bug about alc262 sound card and Ubuntu I tried a lot of manuals nothing worked so far so I came here for help
[07:24] <test__> Its fujitsu laptop so only one speaker jack is available
[07:25] <gerbilcabbagehai> test__: ah laptop. :( inbuilt realtek soundcard
[07:25] <test__> Yes
[07:25] <gerbilcabbagehai> test__: sorry i assumed it was a desktop.
[07:25] <Calinou> don't assume computers are desktops today
[07:25] <Calinou> more like tablets :p
[07:25] <gerbilcabbagehai> yeah :) thanks. I made an ass out of me :)
[07:26] <gerbilcabbagehai> test__: so, are you using the right drivers for the soundcard?
[07:26] <test__> it's ok at least you try to help not just mock other people :P
[07:26] <test__> Gone for a smoke back in 10 min.
[07:26] <gerbilcabbagehai> ok
[07:27] <gerbilcabbagehai> why do i mkdir to mount usb drives?
[07:27] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: From what you say, automount is not working
[07:28] <gerbilcabbagehai> I haven't set it up yet i think, from CLI
[07:28] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: then that's why you need to create a mountpoint
[07:28] <gerbilcabbagehai> somsip: everytime i mount a usb or just once on the system?
[07:28] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: you tell me - you're asking the question
[07:29] <gerbilcabbagehai> lol. ok. what is a mountpoint? im asking for understanding
[07:30] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: usually, when a USB drive or pendrive or CD or DVD is inserted, the OS figures it out, creates a dir in /mnt or /media which is where the contents of the drive/CD/DVD are mounted. Does your not do this?
[07:30] <gerbilcabbagehai> somsip: in command line it does this also?
[07:31] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: that question makes no sense. Normally the OS mounts a drive of CD/DVD automatically. Which means you don't need to do anything
[07:32] <gerbilcabbagehai> somsip: i am in ubuntu server 12.04 32 bit. Does automounting happen in server commandline?
[07:32] <timfrost> gerbilcabbagehai: is this system running ubuntu server?
[07:32] <gerbilcabbagehai> timfrost: yes
[07:34] <chamunks> !uvccapture
[07:34] <chamunks> Anyone know what package I should install if i want to plug a webcam into ubuntu 12.04 lts server
[07:36] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: the official wiki suggests the manual approach should be used https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB#Automounting_.28Ubuntu_Server.29
[07:36] <timfrost> gerbilcabbagehai: that makes sense.  A mount point is the directory that you specify to use as the base for the file system on the USB (or CD/DVD). The GUI automatically creates a direecdtory under /media for the device.  On server, you need to create /mnt to use as the mount point, and specify that in the mount command
[07:36] <gerbilcabbagehai> chamunks: seen these? http://askubuntu.com/questions/63922/how-do-i-set-up-a-webcam-server-for-http, http://hacktivision.com/index.php/2009/06/16/setting-up-an-ubuntu-webcam-server
[07:36] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: but also suggests looking at usbmount
[07:36] <chamunks>  thanks gerbilcabbagehai
[07:36] <blackshirt> gerbilcabbagehai:  I think you should play with udev
[07:36] <gerbilcabbagehai> thanks somsip and timfrost
[07:36] <gerbilcabbagehai> manning udev now
[07:37] <gerbilcabbagehai> udev looks interesting blackshirt
[07:37] <gerbilcabbagehai> thanks
[07:38] <chamunks> gerbilcabbagehai, would those run well as daemons?
[07:38] <blackshirt> gerbilcabbagehai: learn how to write some udev rules,
[07:38] <gerbilcabbagehai> how can i suppress joining messages in empathy?
[07:38] <gerbilcabbagehai> chamunks: no idea. I just googled them for you. You tell me if they work for you. :)
[07:39] <chamunks> fair
[07:41] <retrorex> does any1 know linux command for listing file systems with label unlike fdisk
[07:42] <Kartagis> man ls
[07:42] <retrorex> fdisk listing with label of the drive
[07:43] <retrorex> kay
[07:43] <gerbilcabbagehai> Why are there many "man's" for things not installed?
[07:43] <morteza> how to stop gnome?
[07:43] <codemaniac> may be /proc/partition has all you want
[07:44] <gerbilcabbagehai> morteza: kill gnome?
[07:44] <deffrag> Hello! I'm trying to get VNC working following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC . I'm trying to connect to my desktop from laptop, both in the same local network. Both systems are running Ubuntu12.04 desktop. Desktop is more like a headless machine now with no display, keyboard, mouse attached. I can ssh into the system.Following the post, here are my attempts - http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216304/ Can anyone help me connect? What am I missing?
[07:44] <blackshirt> morteza: $sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:44] <blackshirt> morteza: or service gdm stop
[07:44] <morteza> blackshirt: I haven't any file with dgm name under the init.d dir
[07:44] <Squall56681> morteza: stop lightdm
[07:45] <blackshirt> morteza: its depend your ubuntu version....
[07:45] <morteza> blackshirt: last version
[07:45] <blackshirt> morteza: newer ubuntu using lightdm
[07:45] <blackshirt> morteza: last version using lightdm
[07:46] <morteza> Squall56681 , blackshirt thanks guys ;)
[07:47] <timfrost> deffrag: what happens if you run  the vnc command with '-display $DISPLAY'? Does the ssh session set $DISPLAY?
[07:47] <morteza> clear
[07:48] <ping__> hy
[07:48] <gerbilcabbagehai> is a mountpoint temporary?
[07:48] <ping__> what function shared library
[07:49] <chamunks> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mjpg-streamer/ this wont install for some reason :P
[07:49] <ping__> #ldd /bin/ls
[07:49] <deffrag> timfrost: Let me try with '-display $DISPLAY'. From laptop, the ssh command used is ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 test@desktop.  Moreover, the desktop is most likely on lightdm login screen
[07:49] <chamunks> sorry for the dumb question.
[07:49] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: the OS must know where the new filesystem is located.
[07:49] <chamunks> the tutorial I'm using is this fellows http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-nIUgB35OQ
[07:50] <chamunks> basically I need to take /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 and /dev/video2 and pipe them each to their own web address.
[07:50] <gerbilcabbagehai> somsip: e.g. in your example, if I insert a CD in GUI, does the system create a new mountpoint, then when i remove the cd it removes the mountpoint?
[07:50] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: you had this answer already. If you are using server edition, the system does nothing. Unless you enable automounting. Have you?
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> howto fix a corrupt square mouse pointer and screen corruption on cold boot on precise 12.04.1 clean installed?
[07:51] <somsip> lotuspsychje: wow - you've had this one for ages :-(
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> somsip:i cant get rid of it mate
[07:52] <timfrost> deffrag: do you have the VNC server running as described in the tutorial?  My previous suggestion uses tunnelling of the X traffic, not the VNC session.
[07:52] <deffrag> timfrost: It says "not enough arguments for: -display" on trying '-display $DISPLAY'. The command used, as mentioned in the paste above, uses <x11vnc -safer -localhost -nopw -once -display :0> asper the wiki
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> somsip:well i can get rid of it with nomodeset add to grub, but then compiz aint working
[07:53] <gerbilcabbagehai> somsip:  im asking for clarity, so i understand what the ubuntu is doing. i understand i have to do it manually (or enable automount), im asking why it is doing what it does. Is it because mountpoints are temporary, each time you insert/remove a drive? Or do mountpoints stay in memory?
[07:53] <somsip> lotuspsychje: not that I know how to help on this, but what does it look like? Can you paste a screenie?
[07:53] <deffrag> timfrost: I installed x11vnc and openssh-server on desktop and openssh-cleint and openssh-server installed in laptop
[07:54] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: If automount is working, a mountpoint will be created that can be read/write by plugdev group. When the drive/disk is ejected, the mountpoint is removed
[07:54] <freakolowsky> lo ... anyone here got a clue about configuring acpi governors?
[07:54] <spln> hey if i downgrade my laptop memory from a 1333mhz to a 1066mhz do you think there will be a big performace difference ?
[07:55] <gerbilcabbagehai> somsip: cool thanks. that makes sense
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> somsip:well when i take a screenshot on screen corruption u cant see desktop nomore
[07:56] <somsip> lotuspsychje: well, only cos I saw this but I appreciate it's clutching at straws: http://askubuntu.com/questions/21295/mouse-pointer-strange-problem
[07:56] <somsip> lotuspsychje: the xorg.conf change looked unusual enough to be interesting
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> somsip:yes its something like that
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> somsip:but i tested the xorg swcursor, it didnt fix
[07:57] <somsip> lotuspsychje: kk
[07:57] <timfrost> deffrag: you need a VNC client on the laptop, and run that.  That will be passed to the desktop, because of the ssh '-L 5900:localhost:5900 '
[07:58] <Zhil> Can I add my own applications to the "quick search" thing in unity? I.e the thing that shows up pressing "windows key"
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> somsip:i got similar issues like this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/556782
[07:58] <deffrag> timfrost: Um, so you mean. I should run that ssh command to desktop and then start vnc on laptop?
[07:58] <somsip> lotuspsychje: high...critical...unassigned. Hmmm
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> somsip:what does that mean?
[07:59] <somsip> lotuspsychje: looks like you're waiting for this to be fixed. It's been accepted. It's been flagged as critical. But not done yet
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> somsip:ic i tryed ubuntu-bugs too with no luck
[08:00] <somsip> lotuspsychje: well, if they agree it's a problem but haven't yet come up with a patch, maybe there is little much else to do for now
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> somsip:i also got this bug on several systems, with older ati cards
[08:01] <timfrost> deffrag: you need to start the VNC server on the desktop after logging in to the desktop, then start a VNC client on the laptop
[08:01] <freakolowsky> ok, i'll just ask ... when my laptop is running on battery cpu is limited to the lowest frequency scaling_max_freq = scaling_min_freq .... anyone know a way to prevent this? ... i'm using i've tried default kernel, compiled 3.4 with default governor ondemand and with default governor  userspace ... i'm using 12.04 and the laptop is a HP EB 8540w
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> somsip:ok tnx anyway mate
[08:02] <deffrag> timfrost: Yes, I'm logged in to the desktop. How do I start VNC server? "x11vnc -safer -localhost -nopw -once -display :0" ? And then start a VNC client on laptop?
[08:02] <somsip> lotuspsychje: just showing an interest
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> somsip:apreciate it man
[08:04] <m3pow> hello!
[08:04] <blackshirt> m3pow: hello
[08:05] <m3pow> can anyone help me install a ppa to solve the unity issue regarding the launchpad tooltip ?
[08:05] <awaad> I am watching a video of about 45 minutes from ubuntu site explaining how to use quickly and glade. When I follow it step by step I stopped when the instructor changed the style of the toolbar into a darker one
[08:05] <awaad> I found that the problem is that in my default template I found in the top (import gtk) and in his default template(from gi.repository import Gtk)
[08:05] <m3pow> hello blackshirt
[08:05] <m3pow> this to be more specific : https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1034164
[08:06] <timfrost> deffrag: there should be an option to start x11vnc as a server.  From the pastebin, it seems that it might have already been running (which may be because of the '-once', but I don't know for sure).  Yes, start a vnc client on the laptp
[08:06] <m3pow> i noticed 2 fixes,  one is to install a ppa that is given in that webpage or get the latest ver or unity 5.16
[08:06] <somsip> m3pow: can you not wait a few days until this is available in standard repos?
[08:07] <Squall5668> which is also the best thing to do
[08:07] <m3pow> i don't mind at all !
[08:07] <m3pow> :)
[08:07] <m3pow> just did not know it might come so fast
[08:07] <somsip> m3pow: that might be an easy solution. Or you have to enable proposed updates, which might bring in stuff you don't want
[08:08] <m3pow> and to install that ppa ?
[08:08] <somsip> !proposed | m3pow
[08:08] <m3pow> !proposed
[08:08] <somsip> Hmm didn't think so: Enabling the proposed updates repository can break your system. It is not recommended for inexperienced users.
[08:08] <tsimpson> !archives
[08:08] <tsimpson> hmm
[08:09] <tsimpson> !repositories | m3pow
[08:09] <somsip> m3pow: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Testing/EnableProposed
[08:10] <m3pow> thanks somsip
[08:10] <somsip> m3pow: you have been warned!
[08:12] <kong> 67.222.131.211 63471 !managensis!
[08:12] <m3pow> i ain't doing anything mate, i'll just wait a couple more days that's all
[08:16] <MiteshShah> how to modify eth0 speed
[08:16] <MiteshShah> I'm used following command
[08:16] <MiteshShah> ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full
[08:16] <Mikato> czesc mowi ktos z moim jezyku?
[08:16] <MiteshShah> its works
[08:16] <MiteshShah> but ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000 duplex full is not work
[08:16] <somsip> !pl | Mikato
[08:17] <wdp> hey, how can i remove ppa sources?
[08:17] <Mikato> jezuuuuuuu
[08:18] <somsip> wdp: cd /etc/apt/sources.lilst.d and delete them. Probably another way in GUI
[08:18] <wdp> terminal is fine.
[08:18] <somsip> *sources.list.d
[08:18] <kyan> Hi¸where should I ask a build error question?
[08:19] <TJ-> MiteshShah: Is 1000 advertised as a link mode?
[08:19] <wdp> Someguy123, ty was workin.
[08:19] <wdp> errm.
[08:19] <wdp> somsip, :)
[08:19] <somsip> wdp: np
[08:20] <MiteshShah> TJ-, how to check it
[08:21] <TJ-> MiteshShah: "ethtool eth0"
[08:22] <MiteshShah> TJ-, http://pastebin.com/fjRG0m4y
[08:22] <MiteshShah> TJ-, i'm attached ethtool & lshw output
[08:24] <TJ-> MiteshShah: That report says eth0 only supports 10/100
[08:28] <greek> Hi what is the latest version of firefox supported by ubuntu?
[08:28] <marc> greek: Firefox 15
[08:28] <greek> Is it version 5? Because I see on the firefox website version 15
[08:28] <greek> marc: I'm on version 5 but in synapctec the upgrade option is greyed out
[08:29] <marc> greek: What version of Ubuntu are you using ?
[08:29] <greek> how do I upgrade firefox from command line?
[08:29] <greek> 11.04
[08:30] <marc> greek: Ok. Well first, you should upgrade to the latest version of Ubuntu, which is 12.04. Then you can download F15 from their website or through the Software Center
[08:30] <crizis> greek, just upgrade to 12.04 already :)
[08:30] <crizis> you must first upgrade to 11.10 though
[08:30] <greek> haha ok
[08:30] <greek> something to do this weekend
[08:30] <greek> thanks fellas :)
[08:31] <marc> greek: My pleasure :)
[08:31] <gerbilcabbagehai> how do i copy a folder from a mounted usb drive to the www folder on a ubuntu?
[08:32] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: cp -R /mnt/drive/folder /var/www/
[08:32] <TJ-> somsip: That may not work without 'sudo' since /var/www/ is restricted
[08:32] <gerbilcabbagehai> somsip: ah "var"! i was looking in etc
[08:32] <gerbilcabbagehai> thanks
[08:32] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: Ah yes - what TJ- says. I have group priviledges so forgot
[08:33] <Doxin_> I'm having enormous trouble installing windows alongside linux, for some reason windows is using some form of new style partition gedit wont recognise. any ideas wtf is going on?
[08:33] <gerbilcabbagehai> Doxin_: W8?
[08:33] <ikonia> Doxin_: 1.) drop the language like "wtf" 2.) give us some info, and lets work it out
[08:33] <Doxin_> gerbilcabbagehai: w7
[08:33] <Doxin_> ikonia: what info do you need?
[08:33] <ikonia> Doxin_: 1.) what version of windows 2.) what version of ubuntu 3.) what type of install you're doing 4.) what the error/problem is
[08:34] <MiteshShah> TJ-, that means my eth0 cann't support 1000
[08:34] <TJ-> Doxin_: If the PC has an EFI firmware, Wndows is possibly using a GPT
[08:34] <gerbilcabbagehai> Doxin_: and what order you are trying to do them in too
[08:34] <Doxin_> gerbilcabbagehai: windows first, then linux
[08:34] <gordonjcp> Donnw: wait, what? "partition gedit won't recognise"?
[08:34] <TJ-> MiteshShah: Correct. But if you look closely, you'll see that eth1 does support 1000. Have you got them confused?
[08:34] <gordonjcp> Donnw: disregard, sorry
[08:34] <ikonia> Doxin_: ok - so aat this time, is windows installed ?
[08:34] <gordonjcp> Doxin_: why are you trying to edit a partition with gedit?
[08:34] <Doxin_> ikonia: sure,
[08:35] <ikonia> Doxin_: windows is installed at this moment ?
[08:35] <Doxin_> gordonjcp: to customise the layout.
[08:35] <ikonia> whoaaa
[08:35] <Doxin_> ikonia: yes
[08:35] <ikonia> edit a partition with gedit
[08:35] <ikonia> I missed that part
[08:35] <TJ-> I think Doxin_ means "gparted" :p
[08:35] <MiteshShah> yes i know and thats the reason i'm asking why eth1 has 1000 and eth0 only support 100
[08:35] <Doxin_> gordonjcp: *gparted
[08:35] <ikonia> phew
[08:35] <ikonia> ok
[08:35] <gordonjcp> Doxin_: aha, that makes more sense
[08:35]  * TJ- giggles 
[08:35] <gerbilcabbagehai> phew indeed lol
[08:35] <MiteshShah> TJ-, yes i know and thats the reason i'm asking why eth1 has 1000 and eth0 only support 100
[08:35] <Natherul> hey all, anyone know how to and able to guide me on how to install wow on ubuntu 12.04? tried playonlinux without success
[08:35] <ikonia> Doxin_: ok, so is Windows taking up the whole disk
[08:35] <Doxin_> ikonia: yes.
[08:36] <ikonia> Doxin_: ok, so you want to reduce the size of hte windows partition to allow ubuntu to  be installed, correct ?
[08:36] <TJ-> MiteshShah: It depends on the hardware chipset. Some systems have older chips for one port and newer chips for others
[08:36] <Doxin_> ikonia: correct
[08:36] <gordonjcp> Doxin_: editing a partition with gedit would indicate that you are an utterly misguided noob, or ridiculously hardcore ;-)
[08:36] <ikonia> Doxin_: perfect ok, now we understand. Is this windows 7 ?
[08:36] <Doxin_> ikonia: yes
[08:36] <TJ-> MiteshShah: Look at the output of lshw - it details that the system has 2 different network controllers
[08:36] <gerbilcabbagehai> somsip: if i just do cp -R /media/usb /var/www/ would that do it?
[08:36] <ikonia> Doxin_: excellent, and you are booting an Ubuntu 12.04 livecd to re-size ?
[08:36] <Doxin_> ikonia: yes
[08:37] <ikonia> Doxin_: final question, how big is this disk ?
[08:37] <Doxin_> ikonia: 2tb
[08:37] <ikonia> there we go
[08:37] <ikonia> gpt partition table
[08:37] <Doxin_> ikonia: hmm?
[08:37] <MiteshShah> TJ-, That means if i swap the ports then eth0 support 1000 and eth1 has down to 100 right
[08:37] <awaad> Is there any simple method in order to install Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on my Laptop using my USB Flash Memory ?
[08:37] <ikonia> Doxin_: if the disk is 2GB or over windows will install using a GTP partition table
[08:37] <MiteshShah> TJ-, yes i know one is intel and another is realtek
[08:37] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: if you want the entire contents from the usb drive into the www folder, and if you have permissions to read from /media/usb and write to /var/www and want any files in /var/ww that have the same names to be overwritten by new ones
[08:37] <TJ-> MiteshShah: swap the ports? you mean change the names of the ports?
[08:38] <TJ-> MiteshShah: is there any reason you can't just configure eth1 instead of eth0 ?
[08:38] <Doxin_> ikonia: no, it's refusing that. If I partition it using gparted then install windows it's complaining about not supporting gpt partition tables
[08:38] <ikonia> Doxin_: that's excactly what I've just said
[08:38] <ikonia> Doxin_: gpt partition tables
[08:39] <Doxin_> ikonia: okay
[08:39] <Doxin_> so...
[08:39]  * gerbilcabbagehai nervously types that in and pushes enter somsip
[08:39] <Doxin_> now what?
[08:39] <gerbilcabbagehai> somsip: I see a red light blinking! i thinks its working
[08:39] <ikonia> Doxin_: I'm looking at gpt support for gparted, if that's not an option, you'll need to use another tool, or re-install windows on a smaller partition
[08:39] <exalt> hello, how normal is it that libre office is not showing up when i alt-tab through my running applications ?
[08:40] <gerbilcabbagehai> somsip:  omg, that sounded ... lame from me
[08:40] <Doxin_> ikonia: if I partition using windows gparted can't see the partition
[08:40] <ikonia> Doxin_: yes, I know that, I've just explained why
[08:40] <gerbilcabbagehai> "I see a red light blinking"...
[08:40] <Doxin_> ikonia: okay...
[08:40] <MiteshShah> actually we configure my system ad squid proxy server and on eth1 is connected to the internet and eth0 has lan so i don''t want to mess with working settings
[08:40] <MiteshShah> TJ-,  actually we configure my system ad squid proxy server and on eth1 is connected to the internet and eth0 has lan so i don''t want to mess with working settings
[08:40] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: it may be that you are the only person who cares if it's blinking or if it appears lame
[08:41] <Doxin_> ikonia: wait, if I make the windows partition smaller, would that work?
[08:41] <gerbilcabbagehai> somsip: yes i think thats the case. man gerbilcabbagehai
[08:41] <ikonia> Doxin_: well, yes and no. Yes it would work as you wouldn't need to use gparted to repartition
[08:41] <Doxin_> ikonia: but?
[08:41] <ikonia> Doxin_: no, it wouldn't work in that gparted would still not be able to see the partition if you wanted to change them later
[08:42] <Doxin_> ikonia: but installing linux next to it would work?
[08:42] <ikonia> Doxin_: yes
[08:42] <Doxin_> awesome
[08:42] <TJ-> MiteshShah: OK... so you want to rename the ports then? The names are saved by udev into "/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules" . Edit that file as root, and swap the eth0 eth1 names around, save it, and reboot.
[08:42] <ikonia> Doxin_: there is some documentation on gpt and gparted on the gparted sourceforge page, it's not conclusive.
[08:42] <Doxin_> ikonia: would windows see a ntfs partition i added later?
[08:42] <awaad> Is there any simple method in order to install Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on my Laptop using my USB Flash Memory ?
[08:43] <ikonia> Doxin_: sure
[08:43] <Doxin_> ikonia: problem solved
[08:43] <Doxin_> thanks
[08:43] <Natherul> hey all, anyone know how to and able to guide me on how to install wow on ubuntu 12.04? tried playonlinux without success
[08:43] <gerbilcabbagehai> ok another question somsip, I've copied the files over to my www folder. what options do i have to make the files appear in list format on my, www. Is there a dynamic "read all files and add the to a list" type command i can do?
[08:43] <TJ-> Doxin_: From the Windows Disk Management you can shrink an already-installed live NTFS file-system
[08:44] <mirage91> Doxin_,  sudo dd if=xxx.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=2M
[08:44] <ikonia> whoaaa
[08:44] <ikonia> Doxin_: don't do that
[08:44] <crizis> awaad, instructions how to make bootable usb stick are right on the download page... http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[08:44] <TJ-> Natherul: So far WoW on WINE isn't very useful
[08:44] <ikonia> mirage91: why are you telling him to write an iso to a second disk ?
[08:44] <Natherul> TJ-: really? used to work fine a while back on wrath.... .P
[08:45] <somsip> gerbilcabbagehai: I don't really understand your question. Would 'man ls' help you?
[08:45] <TJ-> Natherul: Well my partner tried it and it was too slow. FPS was terrible
[08:45] <Natherul> TJ: thats a shame.... was hopeing to play on my laptop that has ubuntu while at work.... .P cant even install atm due to agent something crashing
[08:46] <Calinou> TJ-: what graphics card/drivers do you have?
[08:46] <TJ-> Natherul: Some people do have success, but the key is the OpenGL acceleration support
[08:46] <TJ-> Calinou: Why?
[08:46] <Calinou> or are you talking to Natherul?
[08:47] <TJ-> Calinou: I was talking to Natherul, yes
[08:47] <Natherul> TJ-: well i know i have an nvidia on this here laptop.... not sure wich model though.... using the drivers thats recommended by ubuntu atm
[08:47] <TJ-> Natherul: same for my partner, with a desktop with a decent Nvidia card.
[08:48] <TJ-> Natherul: give it a try - your may be lucky :)
[08:48] <TJ-> Natherul: install the latest wine 1.4 (Precise) and see how you go
[08:48] <thechef> How can I access commercial PPAs outside Ubuntu Software Center?
[08:49] <TJ-> thechef: use "sudo apt-add-repository. .." at the command line, usually (see "man apt-add-repository")
[08:50] <TJ-> thechef: correction, my typo! "add-apt-repository"
[08:50] <thechef> TJ-: ah, it's already added, but now I wish to download it outside Software Center.
[08:50] <Natherul> TJ-: ok, does not playonlinux use that wine? as it crash on downloading with agent something in the start of install----
[08:50] <TJ-> thechef: download a package from the repo? Just do the usual "sudo apt-get install <package>"
[08:51] <chamunks> is there a way to install vlc in headless mode on 12.04
[08:51] <TJ-> Natherul: I've not looked at playonlinux but I believe so. Best to try installing at a terminal and capture the log of the error. That makes it easier to figure out
[08:51] <TJ-> chamunks: "vlc-nox" is the package, I believe
[08:52] <Natherul> TJ-: sure, cant say that im experianced with lunux however... what version of wine is in hte ubuntu software center?
[08:52] <thechef> TJ-: ..my questions are a bit unclear today. How can I access the repository without using the package management systems at all?
[08:52] <chamunks> TJ-, makes sense.
[08:52] <wdd_> NIHAO
[08:52] <TJ-> thechef: I'm not understanding the question! Repo's *are* accessed using the package management system!
[08:53] <chamunks> Now heres hoping that vlc can stream /dev/video0 to something more readable by zoneminder (i've managed to get my ip cams running smoothly.)
[08:53] <TJ-> chamunks: congratulations!
[08:53] <chamunks> TJ-, thanks its only lost me 6 hours of sleep
[08:53] <TJ-> chamunks: I know the feeling!
[08:53] <thechef> TJ-: yes, but they speak http so I could use the Browser as a low-level access tool for browing repos and I would like to do that, but that doesn't seem to work.
[08:53] <wdd_> you guys are nerds!
[08:54] <chamunks> i gotta catch this stupid kid so we can kick his butt out.
[08:54] <Calinou> wdd_: no u
[08:54] <chamunks> I know hes not smart enough to stop stealing so its only a matter of time before he robs me too.
[08:54] <MonkeyDust> thechef  there's this https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/
[08:54] <thechef> wdd_: geeks!
[08:54] <TJ-> thechef: That's correct. I understand now. You simply browse to the server listed in the sources.list file, usually adding "/ubuntu/" to the URL to get to the base of the repo
[08:54] <wdd_> geeks nerds same difference
[08:54] <wdd_> any j2ee devs in here
[08:55] <MonkeyDust> to geek or not to geek
[08:55] <TJ-> thechef: For example, for the Ubuntu archives its http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[08:55] <TJ-> wdd_: yes
[08:55] <nifferls> Hey guys
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[08:55] <FloodBot1> nifferls: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:56] <MonkeyDust> thechef  there's also this https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/
[08:56] <MonkeyDust> http://packages.ubuntu.com
[08:56] <wdd_> yes?
[08:56] <TJ-> thechef: packages are in the pool/ sub-directory tree; package lists are in the dists/ tree
[08:57] <railsraider> anyone had luck automating the aptitude safe-upgrade to keep the current grub?
[08:58] <Natherul> TJ-: getting a lot of fixmeś and err, but they are all a repeat of eachother.... the eror is: err:wininet:open_http_connection create_netconn failed: 10036
[08:58] <thechef> TJ-:  for example in case of https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/commercial-ppa-uploaders/rochard/ubuntu it requests username and password, but I don't know what to provide
[08:58] <TJ-> Natherul: failing to make a network connection (that other stuff is standard - telling us what is only stubbed not implemented in WINE)
[08:58] <MonkeyDust> !ppa > thechef
[08:59] <TJ-> thechef: Your system will have been provided with the login credentials when you bought the software
[08:59] <Natherul> TJ-: yeah i figured as much, but any idea on how to fix it at all? ^^
[09:00] <thechef> TJ-: ah it's working I accidentally picked the wrong credentials (for another package)
[09:00] <Sling> apart from /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, where else could eth(0|1) be bound to a MAC? the physical first interface keeps being assigned eth1 (mac ending in 26) while the second hardware interface (mac ending in 27) gets eth0
[09:00] <Sling> very annoying when you have IPMI that has a PHY bond to the first interface, and you need eth1 up to use it
[09:00] <TJ-> thechef: I was working on a big recently, in apt, that caused failure to access private PPAs because the 'password' was being truncated. Let me find that, it might refresh me on how to manually get access to a PPA from a browser, since I had to do that in working on that bug
[09:00] <thechef> I want to use wget instead of Software Cener because my internet connection is currently lousy and Software Center doesn't seem to provide resume functionality
[09:00] <TJ-> thechef: Oh, good! saves me some searching :)
[09:01] <TJ-> thechef: I know what you mean
[09:02] <Natherul> TJ-: i figured as much.... but any chance you know how to fix those errors?
[09:04] <TJ-> Natherul: I think I recall it is caused by the installer trying to connect to a SSL site and for some reason it failing. I can't remember the specifics. Have you looked in the winehq app database - there's usually instructions there for workarounds in the reviews against each program
[09:04] <Mrokii> hello. I'm currently cleaning my HD and found a folder named "trash" in the folders ".local/share" in my home-folder. That trash-folder is 4.7 GB big even tough my "regular" trash is empty. Does somebody know if I can empty that folder? I mean, if it's safe to do so?
[09:05] <Natherul> TJ-: I did look, but I cant remember if I did not understand it or if it simply failed what stood there.... might as well be a combination of both... :P gonna have a look again
[09:06] <mulk> Hi.  I'm trying to understand Ubuntu's multitouch stack, but I'm having trouble getting a good overview of the current state of affairs.  Is “GEIS” a good keyword to start with?  (Actually, I'm trying to figure out how multitouch devices are discovered and enumerated, but I'm trying to take a step at a time. :))
[09:06] <akis>  i installed an add-on on my thunderbird but due to a conflict with another add-on i remove it. i am running xubutnu 12.04 and as far as i can see in /home/user/thunderbird there is no trace of this add-on after i remove it. is there any possibility of any left-over files somewhere else and how can i be sure that removing this add-on everything related to it is removed?
[09:06] <witakr> Hello again folks.
[09:07] <Natherul> TJ-: right, there was no workaround there, it just stated platinum rating with fresh install of ubuntu, wine and wow....
[09:07] <TJ-> Natherul: In winecfg you can choose to use a native version of wininet.dll - maybe that would help?
[09:08] <witakr> I think I have found a new problem specific to ubuntu. It seems my attempts to chmod a directory or a file are failing. I issue the command in terminal and when I check with ls -la I fins the changes I requested to the permissions did not take place.
[09:08] <witakr> Does anyone have any idea why this might be?
[09:09] <ikonia> witakr: what file system is on the disk you are using
[09:09] <Natherul> TJ-: where do i find that setting in winecfg? .... feeling like such  a nab atm
[09:09] <TJ-> witakr: Show us the commands and before/after results
[09:09] <chamunks> TJ-, you have any experience with streaming via vlc?
[09:09] <witakr> One moment please.
[09:10] <chamunks> I snipped this cvlc "v4l://" --v4l-vdev="/dev/video0" --v4l-adev="/dev/null" --sout "#transcode{vcodec=mp4v,vb=256}:standard{access=http,mux=asf,dst=:1234}" -I dummy from
[09:10] <TJ-> chamunks: not alot. Tried it years ago :)
[09:10] <chamunks> here https://blog.misc.ephaone.org/archives/vlc_webcam.html
[09:10] <chamunks> TJ-,  thats just about all that I have.
[09:10] <chamunks> but if i can figure out how to stream these cams it adds another three cameras to my arsinal bringing it up to 6 cameras versus 3
[09:11] <TJ-> chamunks: Sounds to me like a shotgun would be easier :p
[09:11] <witakr> TJ-, Here is a pastebin link to my attepts in terminal: http://pastebin.com/Ck64TE6H
[09:12] <dell> How can i find my winxp loader
[09:12] <chamunks> TJ-, if it was like the middle east we would just take the kids hands off and be done with this.
[09:12] <deffrag> Hello! I'm trying to connect using vnc from laptop to desktop. Both the systems are running Ubuntu 12.04 desktop. Running vncserver itself on desktop is giving error - http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216360/ . How can I fix this? What am I missing? I followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC
[09:12] <afidegnum> T34Z1qou4b
[09:12] <chamunks> lol
[09:12] <TJ-> witakr: First. As it's in /media/ I'm assuming that it's an external device mounted there. So, it might be mounted read-only, or it might be a file system that doesn't support attributes
[09:13] <TJ-> chamunks: Well I'm a farmboy... we take the direct route, no messing :p
[09:13] <dell> I use a USB disk to install my ubuntu in windows xp
[09:13] <afidegnum> Hello, pls I am trying to write a shell script which will allow me to tar $file.gz     and remove the .gz file from the folder. how can I formulate the script?
[09:13] <Natherul> TJ-: where in winecfg an i find the setting for that wininet.dll?
[09:13] <chamunks> TJ-, sounds like it makes life much easier.
[09:14] <TJ-> Natherul: You're trying to make my brain ache :p It's one of the tabs that allows you to choose DLLs :p
[09:14] <witakr> TJ-, The disk is a secondary HD installed internally. It is not, however, used for any portion or purpose for the OS.
[09:14] <dell> but when i have installed my ubuntu, i cannot enter my windows,
[09:14] <dell> how can i ?
[09:14] <Natherul> TJ-: not my intention to make your brain hurt.... im just a nab :P and i am sincerly grateful for the help your giving me :D
[09:14] <TJ-> witakr: OK... what file-system is on that disk? You can check its mount settings with "mount | grep media!
[09:15] <TJ-> witakr:   oops.... "mount | grep media"
[09:15] <TJ-> Natherul: Ok, it's the "Libraries' tab
[09:15] <Natherul> TJ-: i reckon I just add the wininet.dll then since its not in the list?
[09:15] <TJ-> Natherul: e.g. on mine I see I've got ctl3d32 and wininet both listed, and set to "native, builtin)
[09:16] <nydel> is there a command like apropos that returns only installed softwares?
[09:16] <witakr> TJ-, Indeed: /dev/sdb1 on /media/witTV type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096)
[09:16] <chamunks> ok nuts to this its bed time
[09:16] <chamunks> gnight
[09:16] <nydel> (for command line)
[09:16] <TJ-> Natherul: I can't remember if "native, builtin" means the WINE libraries, or ones from a Windows installation! You'd best do some research on that issue
[09:16] <chamunks> TJ-,  thanks for the attention to this.
[09:16] <chamunks> afk
[09:16] <TJ-> chamunks: sleep weel
[09:17] <Natherul> TJ-: ok, im gonna test now with wininet added as native.... see if i get another result
[09:17] <TJ-> witakr: as it's mounted using fuser (fuseblk) I'm going to guess it's an NTFS file-system. Try this "sudo blkid /deb/sdb1"
[09:17] <witakr> TJ-, It may be worth noting I have had no trouble accessing this drive in multiple OS installations including my current installation of Xubuntu 12.04.
[09:17] <TJ-> witakr: Did you change attributes with those, too?
[09:19] <witakr> TJ-, No I did not have a need at the time. I currently use one OS which is Xubuntu 12.04 however previously I have had Windows 7, Ubuntu12.04, OpenSUSE and LinuxMint installed and experienced no trouble accessing. But to be clear I did not try to change any permissions while using those installations either.
[09:21] <witakr> TJ-,  I ran "sudo blkid /deb/sdb1" as you requested and it gave me no return.
[09:21] <TJ-> witakr: I'm not 100% certain on this, but I'm pretty sure it's NTFS where you can't set the unix-style permissions; NTFS uses ACLs
[09:21] <witakr> TJ-, That is to say I don't know if it worked properly or not because it did not specify.
[09:21] <ikonia> TJ-: correct
[09:22] <TJ-> witakr: 'deb' or 'dev' ?
[09:22] <ikonia> TJ-: it's mounted userspace so only the mounted owner will get acess
[09:22] <witakr> TJ-, "deb" as you instructed above. Should I try "dev" instead?
[09:22] <TJ-> ikonia: so that'd explain witakr's issue then? he can't change the attributes using " sudo chmod" ?
[09:22] <ikonia> TJ-: correct
[09:22] <TJ-> witakr: Did I mistype? Sorry! it should be /dev/
[09:23] <amgarching> Hi! What is the output of "fc-match" on your recent ubuntu?
[09:23] <witakr> TJ-, That is wuite alright. Thank you for your help. I will try "dev" now. One moment.
[09:23] <TJ-> witakr: As ikonia has confirmed - it's not possible to chmod an NTFS file-system mounted using fuser.
[09:23] <witakr> TJ-,  Then it seems I may need to clear my HD entirely and reformat to ext?
[09:24] <witakr> Or fat32?
[09:24] <TJ-> Depends if you want it accessible to Windows or not.
[09:24] <ikonia> witakr: fat32 doesn't support permissions, ext3/4 won't be stable or have permissions support in windows
[09:24] <witakr> TJ-,  It appears your suspicions are confirmed: /dev/sdb1: LABEL="witTV" UUID="8850F72050F71422" TYPE="ntfs"
[09:25] <witakr> ikonia, That it alright because I do not have a Windows partition to boot. I only have Xubuntu.
[09:25] <TJ-> witakr: Instead of trying to change the attributes, you could set-up an entry in fstab that mounts it with the group ownership set as you want it for the entire file-system
[09:26] <ikonia> witakr: then using ext4 wouldbe a wise move
[09:26] <Natherul> TJ-: getting the same errors no matter what i set the wininet.dll to.... seems that it wont work for me
[09:27] <TJ-> Natherul: that's a pain. You could try putting that error into Google and seeing if it leads to fixes/worarounds
[09:27] <jeroen_> Hello, can someone help me with bug filling this bug I have? My Quadro 2000M is acting glitchy after installing the nvidia-current 304.43 driver on Ubuntu 12.10. Version 295 has worked perfectly on 12.04.
[09:27] <witakr> TJ-, Though my gut tells me that may work, I am ignorant to the process. I am more than willing to try it if you might be able to assist me to that end? If you don't mind.
[09:28] <Natherul> TJ-: I appriciate the help non-the-less mate :P thanks for wasting your time on a nab like me :D
[09:28] <TJ-> witakr: I'd have to try it here, I'm not sure myself. All in all, from what you have said, I'd think converting the file-system to ext4 would be a better more useful approach
[09:28] <witakr> ikonia, Honestly, i thought I had formatted the drive to ext4 but appearantly during my bout of 'Musical OSes' I forgot to do so. I may end up doing just that.
[09:28] <TJ-> Natherul: It isn't wasted - we're all learning here
[09:29] <Imhotep_> hello
[09:30] <witakr> TJ-, Then i think I will do that. Thank you for your help. The process of moving my media from the drive will take a while so it will be a few minutes before I can begin that process.
[09:30] <TJ-> witakr: I know what its like - had to move 106GB earlier, between partitions on the same drive... took hours
[09:30] <witakr> ikonia, I think that reformatting to ext4 is the best route and likely the cause to ALL of the problem which I have had tonight. Thank you.
[09:30] <ikonia> witakr: no problem
[09:32] <witakr> TJ-, Fortunatly for me I ahve only just begun the process of converting my DVD collection so I have but only seven movie files to move and some music. Should only take 15 or 20 minutes at most.
[09:32] <d1rkp1tt> Hi there, I have created a share in Ubuntu, just wondering how I connect to it from windows? I have tried \\servername\sharename  but I cant seem to authenticate
[09:38] <deffrag> Hello! I'm trying to connect using vnc from laptop to desktop. Both the systems are running Ubuntu 12.04 desktop. Running vncserver itself on desktop is giving error - http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216360/ . How can I fix this? What am I missing? I followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC
[09:41] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag: have you setup ssh?
[09:42] <deffrag> gerbilcabbagehai: I'm trying vnc on the local network at the moment. I can ssh between desktop and laptop
[09:42] <gerbilcabbagehai> so they connect ok using other methods first?
[09:42] <witakr> ikonia && TJ-, It seems after formatting to ext4 the owner was set to root thus preventing me from making ANY changes. What did I do wrong? I simply used the standard settings in Gparted to format the drive.
[09:43] <ikonia> witakr: after formatting it's always set to root, you now need to chown it
[09:43] <Neuhristide> Hi !
[09:43] <witakr> ikonia, Then I will chown the hell out of it. One moment.
[09:44] <Neuhristide> I have a problem : I want to install Lexmark x203n (All in one printer). Only printer work, but xsane and simple scan don't detect scanner. But sane-find-scanner detect scanner
[09:44] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag: what step have you got up to in the VNC server install?
[09:44] <deffrag> gerbilcabbagehai: I didn't follow your question. What run okay using which method? SSH? Within the local network, I'm able to ssh to desktop(192.168.10.101) from laptop (192.168.10.107) here.
[09:45] <jongleur> Hi. Is there anything known why dropbox is not working in precise? I tried to install it from the website and using several tutorials I found, but it's not starting. The dropbox icon is shown, but trying to start dropbox it says I have to restart nautilus - and that seems not to help
[09:47] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag: what system is your pastebin message coming from? laptop or desktop?
[09:48] <witakr> It will be a minute as I learn how to chown. As you may have already gathered, my knowledge of Linux is spotty at best. I am relatively new to this OS and I learn new things as needed. I have found a really helpful document which explains permissions in linux as well as chmod and chown. For those interested I can give a link if desired. I have some reading to do now.
[09:48] <ikonia> witakr: sudo chown -R user:group /your/mount/point
[09:48] <blackshirt> witakr you can share here
[09:50] <witakr> ikonia, Thanks for the shortcut. I will try that.
[09:50] <witakr> blackshirt, This is the link. It is on a wiki for PlexMediaServer. http://wiki.plexapp.com/index.php/Plex_Media_Server-Linux_Permissions_Guide
[09:51] <theGrg> Hello, I am unable to update "resolvconf" due to a "Hash Sum mismatch".
[09:51] <blackshirt> thats great
[09:51] <deffrag> gerbilcabbagehai: This should make it clear - http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216304/ . If your client allows scrollback, same details and question was given probably an hour ago
[09:51] <blackshirt> Thegrg, look a error/corrupted
[09:52] <theGrg> blackshirt is this a problem many are having? I'm using the main server.
[09:52] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag: this paste is different to last :)
[09:52] <deffrag> gerbilcabbagehai: As you can see, after ssh to desktop from laptop, when I run the vnc server on desktop, gives error
[09:52] <deffrag> gerbilcabbagehai: It describes what all I've tried
[09:52] <ramprasadgk> my wifi is not detecting any n/w even though quiet a few around, ::: all drivers installed .. rfkill list wlan says they are not hard/soft blocked
[09:52] <deffrag> instead of error paste for one command
[09:53] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag:  thnks
[09:53] <ramprasadgk> how do i connect to my wifi n/w
[09:53] <blackshirt> thegrg, i don't know exactly ...
[09:53] <mechteamreal> hey guys
[09:54] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag:  are you trying to run the client or server with that command? from what i see you are trying to run the client. is your server setup correctly first?
[09:56] <deffrag> gerbilcabbagehai: As far as I understand, The system I'm connecting from, laptop is client to desktop, is server. As you can see, for running VNC server itself on the desktop it gave error
[09:57] <theGrg> I am unable to update the package "resolvconf". Can someone assist me with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216446/
[09:57] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag: do you want server to have a password?
[09:57] <ramprasadgk> my wifi is not detecting any n/w even though quiet a few around, ::: all drivers installed .. rfkill list wlan says they are not hard/soft blocked
[09:58] <deffrag> gerbilcabbagehai: Not for testing at the moment. I just would like to see how it works for now before configuring it for security
[09:58] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag: do you have all necessary libraries installed for VNC server?
[09:59] <mechteamreal> how to mask my IP here ....
[09:59] <deffrag> gerbilcabbagehai: I've installed x11vnc, openssh-server, openssh-client on both laptop and desktop
[09:59] <llutz> mechteamreal: ask in #freenode for a cloak
[09:59] <ramprasadgk> my wifi is not detecting any n/w even though quiet a few around, ::: all drivers installed .. rfkill list wlan says they are not hard/soft blocked
[09:59] <mechteamreal> ^^
[09:59] <m3pow> can anyone help me update unity to 5.16
[10:00] <ramprasadgk> my wifi is not detecting any n/w even though quiet a few around, ::: all drivers installed .. rfkill list wlan says they are not hard/soft blocked
[10:00] <witakr> ikonia, Off topic: I just heard your name "ikonia" said on Star Trek TNG. I thought that was interesting. lol
[10:00] <m3pow> or should i wait for it to appear in update manager?
[10:01] <mikk0> im trying to get my machine to boot a degraded raid1 software raid partition, and i set the kernel parameters in grub to "bootdegraded=true" and ran update-grub, and set the parameter BOOT_DEGRADED=TRUE in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/mdadm and ran update-initramfs -u, and it still wont boot
[10:01] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag: possible alternative solution : do you want to try http://synergy-foss.org/download/?list, or do you need to access your desktop from over internet at a later date/place
[10:01] <deffrag> gerbilcabbagehai: What do you think is missing?
[10:01] <ramprasadgk> my wifi is not detecting any n/w even though quiet a few around, ::: all drivers installed .. rfkill list wlan says they are not hard/soft blocked
[10:02] <Neuhristide> Hi again !
[10:03] <Rinsole> Hello.
[10:03] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag: im familiar with sshing, but im new to vnc. im learning what you need, so i can help. Perhaps not effectively but im trying lol
[10:03] <deffrag> gerbilcabbagehai: I'm currently trying VNC on my local netowrk, it I'm able to do that properly, I'l extend to access from internet. As mentioned,  I followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC but it didn't work for me.
[10:03] <deffrag> Ah-ok!
[10:03] <deffrag> s/it/if*
[10:03] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag: think of what im doing as thinking along with you
[10:03] <ramprasadgk> my wifi is not detecting any n/w even though quiet a few around, ::: all drivers installed .. rfkill list wlan says they are not hard/soft blocked
[10:04] <llutz> !patience | ramprasadgk
[10:04] <Neuhristide> I try to use Lexmark x203n scanner, but I can't because sane-find-scanner find scanner but xsane don't find scanner
[10:05] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag: can you connect to each machine both ways, using some other protocol? obvious question is obvious : does ssh tell you that it is not a connection problem, but rather a configuration problem?
[10:06] <deffrag> gerbilcabbagehai: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216345/ -- netstat -nta | grep LIST if it may help
[10:06] <deffrag> gerbilcabbagehai: I'm able to ssh from desktop to laptop and vice-versa if that is what you are asking
[10:07] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag: right. good good.
[10:08] <theGrg> I am unable to update the package "resolvconf" due to a Hash Mismatch. Can someone assist me with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216446/
[10:09] <llutz> theGrg: have you run "apt-get update"?
[10:09] <theGrg> llutz yes
[10:09] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag: what port will you be using? is your router configured correctly to allow vnc communications?
[10:11] <tsimpson> deffrag: you do not run x11vnc as root
[10:11] <llutz> theGrg: "sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get install resolvconf"  any success?
[10:12] <Doxin_> ikonia: it seems that changing the partitions in any way whatsoever breaks windows.
[10:12] <deffrag> gerbilcabbagehai: Since, I'm attempting VNC locally, port forwarding 22 will not come in between. If I was doing it from outside the network, port forwarding would have helped. As the wiki says, port forward only 22 which is already done as I sometimes ssh to system from outside
[10:12] <deffrag> tsimpson: It was giving permission issues as you can see in the paste, which I why I tried that
[10:12] <jrib> theGrg: run apt-get update again, if it persists, wait more and run apt-get update again or just use a different mirror.  I think this happens when the mirror is updating and you update as the mirror is in the middle of updating but the md5sums haven't been updated yet
[10:12] <theGrg> jrib its been several days though.
[10:12] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag: true
[10:12] <jrib> theGrg: so use a different mirror
[10:13] <Doxin_> ikonia: I don't see why it's being this difficult, on an identical machine everything went fine
[10:13] <tsimpson> deffrag: in the paste I'm looking at: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216360/ you use sudo
[10:13] <deffrag> tsimpson: Even running it without sudo, vnc server is not initialized. I'm stuck at getting VNC server started at desktop
[10:13] <theGrg> jrib I'm using what software-sources calls "Main Server". I'll try US if nothig works, I guess.
[10:14] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag:  Q, why is it trying to open x display when it is cli command type server?
[10:14] <deffrag> tsimpson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216304/
[10:14] <jrib> theGrg: you should take the opportunity to setup a local mirror then :)
[10:14] <jrib> theGrg: "setup" as in "find"
[10:14] <deffrag> gerbilcabbagehai: I'm equally new to it, and learning
[10:15] <tsimpson> gerbilcabbagehai: because it forwards a running display, so it needs an X server
[10:15] <theGrg> jrib you might as well mean "set up" :) The Lebanese server seems to be out-of-date. I wonder how much work it would be to maintain it...
[10:15] <Z0oM> hi
[10:15] <Doxin_> ikonia: halp!
[10:15] <Doxin_> ikonia: how do I get them to dualboot?
[10:16] <theGrg> llutz that didn't fix things. I'm going to try changing the server now.
[10:16] <deffrag> tsimpson: And it is running as mentioned in the paste above. ps aux part in the bottom of the paste
[10:16] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag: so, is your x display working correctly?
[10:17] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag: lol sorry for the nooby 20 questions
[10:17] <jrib> theGrg: well you could try lb.archive.ubuntu.com.  Are you saying that that is out of date?
[10:17] <theGrg> jrib from experience, yes it is out-of-date
[10:18] <deffrag> gerbilcabbagehai: Yes, as far as I understand it is. ps aux says so. And I'm sure if I connect display to the desktop now it will show Ubuntu login screen. Currently, desktop I'm connecting to from laptop is like a headless system with no monitor, keyboard, mouse attached
[10:18] <tsimpson> deffrag: is there currently a running X session on the desktop system?
[10:18] <Danse_Macabre> hello my my current setup consists of the following, i have two internet connections . my pc has 3 network cards. based on the time of day i should be able to choose which internet connection i use.  only between 2 am to 8 am i should use internet connection #2 rest of the time it should be internet connection #1. also i need all my other computers to connect to the internet through this PC as well( use the 3rd network adapter)
[10:18] <ikonia> Doxin_: what ?
[10:18] <jrib> theGrg: hmm, it's probably worthwhile to file a bug; maybe the admin isn't aware
[10:18] <ikonia> Doxin_: what's the issue ?
[10:19] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag: hence why you are sudoing before login?
[10:19] <Doxin_> ikonia: I'm having trouble getting windows to play nice alongside linux on my 2tb disk
[10:19] <ikonia> Doxin_: as I said earlier, you need to explain the problem rather than saying "it won't work"
[10:19] <theGrg> jrib I believe it is simply unmaintained as the Ubuntu Lebanon team is no longer active.
[10:19] <deffrag> tsimpson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216474/ -- is that the right way to confirm if X is running?
[10:20] <Doxin_> ikonia: the problem is that if linux touches the partition table windows stops booting
[10:20] <jrib> theGrg: in either case, lb.archive.ubuntu.com shouldn't be pointing to non-functional servers
[10:20] <ikonia> Doxin_: again - explain the problem
[10:20] <gerbilcabbagehai> deffrag: what version ubuntu and desktop have you?
[10:20] <ikonia> Doxin_: not what you think is happeneing, what's actually happening
[10:21] <deffrag> gerbilcabbagehai: Both laptop and desktop are running Ubuntu 12.04 desktop as mentioned in the original question!
[10:21] <gerbilcabbagehai> gnome?
[10:21] <tsimpson> deffrag: you need to be running an X session, as a the user you're trying to use VNC as, for it to work
[10:21] <theGrg> jrib where do you recommend I file the bug?
[10:21] <deffrag> tsimpson: So, in my current session with the desktop in ssh. I should run startx?
[10:21] <Doxin_> ikonia: I want to dualboot. I install windows. linux doesn't see the windows partition. manually partitioning taking care to not touch the invisible windows partitions makes windows not boot anymore.
[10:21] <jrib> theGrg: I'm not sure where the appropriate place is.  I assume somewhere no launchpad.  Maybe #ubuntu-bugs can be more specific
[10:21] <ikonia> Doxin_: please explain "not boot any more" errors/warnings
[10:22] <Doxin_> ikonia: grub doesn't list windows no more, and the windows install disk can't find the windows partition anymore, just listing it as free space.
[10:23] <ikonia> Doxin_: ok, one moment please.
[10:23] <codemaniac>  "Как пропатчить KDE2 под FreeBSD"
[10:24] <tsimpson> deffrag: you should try using /var/lib/lightdm/:0 rather than /var/lib/lightdm/:0.Xauth
[10:26] <deffrag> tsimpson: x11vnc -auth /var/lib/lightdm/:0 -safer -localhost -nopw -once -display :0 ?
[10:26] <jrib> theGrg: did changing the mirror resolve your hash issue?
[10:26] <ikonia> Doxin_: it seems 12.04 handles gpt differently then previous releases. This ask ubuntu thread is quite useful
[10:26] <ikonia> Doxin_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/132843/why-do-i-need-to-create-a-bios-grub-partition-when-i-install-12-04
[10:26] <tsimpson> deffrag: with sudo, yes
[10:26] <theGrg> jrib still apt-get updating, my current connection is pretty slow.
[10:27] <jrib> theGrg: ok
[10:27] <deffrag> tsimpson: Now, why with sudo? You said it shouldn't run with sudo
[10:28] <deffrag> tsimpson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216480/
[10:28] <tsimpson> deffrag: because you're cheating and trying to get the display of the display manager, rather than a user. there is security you must bypass (by using sudo) to do that
[10:28] <Doxin_> ikonia: it hasn't got uefi, so it's impossible to dualboot like this?
[10:29] <deffrag> tsimpson: cheating? Well, currently as the process suggests it running lightdm login screen as root. so, we are trying to get access to that right?
[10:29] <ikonia> Doxin_: the post explains it
[10:30] <Doxin_> ikonia: I read it. It says windows wont install to a gpt partition without uefi.
[10:30] <deffrag> tsimpson: Command issued was <sudo x11vnc -auth /var/lib/lightdm/:0 -safer -localhost -nopw -once -display :0>  display :0 is missing in the paste
[10:31] <tsimpson> deffrag: the display manager is not really running as root, it's running as lightdm
[10:32] <deffrag> tsimpson: Ok, I ran the command as you said - http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216485/
[10:32] <WormDrink> hi
[10:32] <WormDrink> how do I get gdm to not start up
[10:32] <WormDrink> I tried update-rc.d - but it doesnt make any difference
[10:32] <WormDrink> running 10.04
[10:32] <ikonia> Doxin_: no, not quite
[10:32] <jrib> !text | WormDrink
[10:33] <WormDrink> is that the only way ?
[10:33] <jrib> WormDrink: no...
[10:33] <dr_willis> its an easy  :-)
[10:33] <dr_willis> way
[10:33] <WormDrink> so - how bout a more elegant way - i mean with gentoo I would just diable it with rc-update - but yeah - sadly ubuntu has like 10 ways to do one thing - and none of them work
[10:34] <ILikeCats> good day everyone
[10:34] <dr_willis> linux has many ways.. nit ubuntu specific
[10:34] <jrib> WormDrink: I don't remember how gdm is setup in 10.04.  Pastebin your /etc/init/gdm.conf .  Though imo, using "text" as above is the most elegant way :)
[10:35] <Odra> Hey guys
[10:35] <dr_willis> find the gdm.conf and rename it to gmd.dontrun  is another wat
[10:35] <tsimpson> deffrag: try by using "–auth /var/lib/lightdm/.Xauthority" instead
[10:35] <witakr> ikonia && TJ-, Well formatting the drive to ext4 and a little chmod work and now all my problems are resolved. Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.
[10:35] <Odra> I am an student programmer that programs gadgets. What kind of gadget should I program?
[10:35] <WormDrink> http://pastebin.com/aJb77kfJ
[10:35] <jrib> Odra: try #ubuntu-offtopic for programming project suggestions
[10:36] <WormDrink> should I just comment out start on ?
[10:36] <jrib> WormDrink: that's one way, or add "and never" as a condition. In later upstart versions, you could use a .override file, but not in 10.04
[10:37] <jrib> WormDrink: renaming the file works too as dr_willis suggested but then you can't use upstart to start the service manually after boot
[10:37] <deffrag> tsimpson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216493/
[10:38] <ILikeCats> I got a problem, maybe some of you can help me: I just installed Ubuntu today and wanted it to dual-boot aside Windows 7. The installation went fine and after the installation Windows 7 even showed up at the grub menu. Ubuntu boots fine, but Windows 7 only boots until the logo shows up, then my pc restarts. I tried to fix this issue already with the Windows 7 install cd but the problem persists. I tried Ubuntu 12.04 and 10.10 (beca
[10:38] <ILikeCats> fine a few months ago) but this time the problem occurs with both versions. Im happy for any kind of help and Im sorry for this wall of text.
[10:40] <SilfenX> Hello! Does anyone know if UFW will let me do this just as easily using a GUI from desktop environment? http://i45.tinypic.com/nnqq2f.png
[10:40] <ncfi1013__> hello? i have a problem with the videodownloadhelper plugin for firefox...it doesnt convert properly...i already have mencoder/ffmpeg installed...still doesnt work...are they conflicting?...so what do i do...just uninstall ffmpeg?
[10:41] <marc> ncfi1013_: What version of Ubuntu are you using ?
[10:41] <theGrg> jrib llutz changing to a French server fixed my issue. Thanks.
[10:42] <dr_willis> ncfi1013__: i dident think those plugins used ffmpeg or mencoder locally. there are differebt video downloader ectensions you could try
[10:43] <deffrag> tsimpson: ?
[10:44] <dr_willis> or download the flv. then convert by hand ncfi1013__
[10:45] <ILikeCats> Nobody who can help? :(
[10:46] <dr_willis> ILikeCats:  if windows is booting.. then its more of a #windows wuestion i woukd think
[10:47] <ILikeCats> dr_willis: Windows isn?t booting and the problem only occured after I installed Ubuntu so I guess Ubuntu somehow messed with the windows files.
[10:47] <ncfi1013__> marc...12.04
[10:47] <kgs> You probably didn't do the partitioning right ILikeCats
[10:48] <dr_willis> you said it boots to the  windows logo. so it is booting.. then crashing
[10:48] <ncfi1013__> dr_willis...what are the names of the other extensions?
[10:48] <tsimpson> deffrag: ok, once more with "-auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0"
[10:48] <WormDrink> Hi, Also want to disable console-kit-daemon from starting - any ideas how ?
[10:49] <dr_willis> ncfi1013__: no idea. im on my phone so cant see ehat ive got installed
[10:49] <ILikeCats> kgs I used the automatic partitioning
[10:49] <kgs> ILikeCats: if you don't mind starting over (seeing as you already re-installed windows), then why not create a new partition table for your master disk & re-install both the OS ?
[10:49] <ILikeCats> dr_willis yes thats right but it did boot completely before I installed Ubuntu
[10:50] <kgs> do the partitioning manually thing time
[10:50] <ILikeCats> kgs Thats a good idea but I don?t really know how to partition manually.
[10:51] <ILikeCats> I tried it some time ago but it gave me an error
[10:51] <ILikeCats> let me think what it said
[10:51] <ehlodex> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[10:51] <ncfi1013__> i also have a question about partitioning
[10:51] <ehlodex> i've successfully used those directions recently
[10:52] <ncfi1013__> the swap...put it in the beginning middle or end?
[10:52] <deffrag> tsimpson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216498/ something different this time. And, it didn't return to prompt. Should I now run a vnc client on laptop?
[10:52] <ncfi1013__> cuz my computer freezes at least twice a day
[10:52] <DarkStar1> why does the command "sudo shutdown -r now" not work in 12.04
[10:53] <ncfi1013__> my swap is in the middle
[10:53] <ILikeCats> ehlodex thank you for pointing me in the right direction
[10:53] <DarkStar1> It just prints the message but nothing happens
[10:53] <tsimpson> deffrag: lines 78 and 79 suggest that you can
[10:53] <deffrag> tsimpson: As far as I understand, the VNC server is now running localhost:0
[10:53] <ncfi1013__> should i have put it at the beginning?
[10:53] <deffrag> Yes, I
[10:53] <snomi> I was in the middle of installing pen drive ubuntu, when it errored out. Now windows asks for a format, and gparted cant rix the USB. I think I bricked it.
[10:53] <ehlodex> ncfi1013__: i usually put it first, but i'm not sure that it matters that much
[10:54] <dr_willis> i put swap at the end. it dosent matter  much these days
[10:55] <DarkStar1> anyone?
[10:55] <jilt007> DarkStar1: ??
[10:55] <DarkStar1> why does the command "sudo shutdown -r now" not work in 12.04? It just prints the message but nothing happens
[10:55] <dr_willis> typical win7 partition layout + ubuntu, 4 primary partitions =  (windows boot)(windows) (ubuntu /) (swap)
[10:56] <deffrag> tsimpson: Thanks a lot! It finally worked. I used a VNC client and inputted 127.0.0.1 for access
[10:56] <DarkStar1> but the system "doesn't go down for a reboot now" as the message would have me believe
[10:56] <tsimpson> deffrag: glad it's working
[10:56] <deffrag> tsimpson: I'm trying to understand the problem from the commands you asked to issue. What was I missing?
[10:56] <ehlodex> DarkStar1: wouldn't you use "sudo reboot now"?
[10:57] <grnt> DarkStar1: shutdown has been broken like that for a long time already
[10:57] <jilt007> DarkStar1:  use -h :P
[10:57] <tsimpson> deffrag: just searching for the correct location of where lightdm stores it's X11 authentication file
[10:57] <DarkStar1> used to work for me in 11.10
[10:57] <DarkStar1> jilt007:  doesn't work either and I only need r as it is a remote :P
[10:57] <grnt> I remember I had strange problems with shutdowns since, like, 10.10
[10:58] <jilt007> DarkStar1: use init 6 :P   or init 0 depends on what u want :)
[10:58] <DarkStar1> should've just stuck with debian I guess :P
[10:58] <deffrag> tsimpson: Ah, thanks. And, that command is running didn't return to prompt. So, do I need to open another ssh session and that can be terminated?
[10:59] <prashant_123456>  Bug #976032: Place plugin problem with panel in fullscreen and gnome classic.  can anyone help me out
[10:59] <grnt> DarkStar1: Arch. It's worth it.
[10:59] <tsimpson> deffrag: you can either kill it from another ssh session, or you can probably just press Ctrl-C from the same session and it should stop
[11:00] <deffrag> tsimpson: But I would like it to be running in the background
[11:01] <dr_willis> deffrag:  you may want to look into useing screen or tmux ;)
[11:01] <MonkeyDust> and byobu, a fancy layer over screen
[11:02] <dr_willis> byobu can use tmux also these days
[11:02] <deffrag> tsimpson: And, it VNC stopped by itself - http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216508/
[11:02] <deffrag> dr_willis: screen -d -x something?
[11:03] <deffrag> dr_willis: screen -d -m <command> ?
[11:03] <dr_willis> i just start byobu whenver i ssh in.
[11:03] <deffrag> byobu and tmux, new to me
[11:04] <m3pow> hello!
[11:04] <dr_willis> run 'byobu' and be amazinafied..
[11:04] <dr_willis> ;)
[11:04] <m3pow> is it ok to do an unity update ?
[11:04] <tsimpson> deffrag: you can just place an '&' after the command to have it run in the background
[11:05] <dr_willis> but if using & and you logout/disconnect it may still close
[11:05] <deffrag> tsimpson: Yes, I was going to try that . But by doing so, I'm may not be able to see errors for like i stopped suddenly now
[11:05] <dr_willis> tmux,screen,byobu  wont. ;)
[11:05] <ncfi1013__> what does pressing tab do? after doing this: sudo apt-get install libavfilter-extra
[11:05] <SilfenX> "Only the firm's Windows Server 2012 Datacenter edition can be deployed on more than two virtual instances, and at $4,809 plus process and Windows CALs also needing to be purchased, this version could be a marketing gift for Red Hat, Canonical and everyone else in the Openstack consortium.
[11:05] <SilfenX> The Inquirer (http://s.tt/1h2TU)
[11:05] <SilfenX> "
[11:06] <ncfi1013__> nevermind
[11:06] <tsimpson> deffrag: it will still print to the screen, it will just be mixed into the normal shell output. you can also have it write to a log file, by appending "&> some_log.txt" (before the final '&')
[11:06] <deffrag> ah, yes
[11:08] <ncfi1013__> thanks...i appreciate all your help...
[11:09] <ILikeCats> If you use manual partitioning, how big should the swap be if I got 4GB RAM?
[11:09] <m3pow> 8gb
[11:09] <m3pow> min
[11:09] <deffrag> tsimpson: I didn't understand one thing. SSH started from laptop to desktop. Desktop started VNC server on localhost. And, now back to laptop I started vnc client to access it using 127.0.0.1 not 192.168.10.101
[11:09] <deffrag> local host on desktop not laptop side
[11:10] <dr_willis> depends on your needs.. ram size + a little bit for use with hibernation.
[11:10] <ILikeCats> ok thanks m3pow
[11:10] <m3pow> also listen to dr_willis
[11:10] <ILikeCats> dr_Willis if I dont use hibernation Im fine with 4gb or..?
[11:11] <dr_willis> or less.
[11:11] <ILikeCats> ok
[11:11] <ILikeCats> thank you
[11:11] <dr_willis> totally depends on whzt you do with the system
[11:12] <tsimpson> deffrag: you used "-L 5900:localhost:5900" in your ssh command, that forwards connections from your local port 5900 to the remote server port 5900
[11:12] <zenx> Hi, when cloning the ubuntu kernel git  if i use git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/linux.git can I checkout a branch that is inside the ubuntu/ubuntu-quantal branch?
[11:12] <ILikeCats> I will use it for browsing, office, music,...
[11:13] <ILikeCats> just the normal stuff nothing fancy
[11:13] <kyan> Hi. How do I revert all the package changes from the past day?
[11:13] <ikonia> zenx: yyou can check out any branch you want
[11:13] <kyan> Or alternatively downgrade all packages to the latest version available in a repository?
[11:13] <deffrag> tsimpson: So, that allows port 5900 from laptop to desktop for communicating for VNC
[11:14] <tsimpson> deffrag: yes, it just forwarded along everything you send to your laptop localhost:5900 (over SSH) to the desktops localhost:5900
[11:16] <zenx> ikonia: but if i do "git branch -a " the I can't see the quantal branch, only master.
[11:16] <deffrag> tsimpson: Alright, thanks that I got this basic setup in local network working with your help. Lastly, could you tell me in short how can I extend it for access form outside local network, internet?
[11:16] <xsl> does bash have any /etc/default/bash that can force all comands to be logged ?
[11:16] <yarekt> hey, I got a quick question. In syslog i'm seeing these kind of messages: "ata5: hard resetting link", They are all prefixed with ata5, How can I tell *which* physical drive they are related to ?
[11:17] <francispereira> kdump-tools: loaded kdump kernel - but when echo c > /proc/sysrq-trigger kdump kernel is not loaded. The box just remains in hung state. Please help
[11:17] <codemaniac> xsl: do you want to see where the command histry i slogged ?
[11:17] <codemaniac> ~/.bash_history
[11:18] <xsl> i know its logged there codemaniac , the problem is ... i want all commands to be logged to rsyslog
[11:18] <xsl> .bash_history can be adultered
[11:18] <xsl> even if i do the chattr +a .bash_history
[11:18] <zenx> yarekt: http://serverfault.com/questions/244944/linux-ata-errors-translating-to-a-device-name
[11:19] <xsl> or a user can even do HISTFILESIZE=0
[11:19] <xsl> and that way i dont get what they do
[11:19] <yarekt> xsl, Awesome ! +1 internets to you sir
[11:20] <xsl> yarekt,  sorry,  i don't understand your input
[11:21] <francispereira> xsl, grsec patches for the linux kernel allow logging of all user executed commands I think
[11:21] <tsimpson> deffrag: what you've done should already, as long as you have the DNS name or IP address of the desktop
[11:21] <xsl> i have read on wiki.bash-hackers.org that if enabled at compile time ... it can log to syslog facility
[11:22] <deffrag> tsimpson:  whoops! So, only SSH is the security?
[11:22] <codemaniac> xsl: there was a ncative ubix utility called acct , that helped admisnistrators to watch her users are doing
[11:22] <ify> hi everyone
[11:22] <tsimpson> deffrag: yes
[11:22] <xsl> francispereira, i know that one, but that one is too much
[11:22] <ify> helo
[11:22] <deffrag> tsimpson: And, the user outside will be running those command, and on vnc client, localhost input
[11:22] <deffrag> ?
[11:22] <xsl> codemaniac, yes i know acct but again ... it can be override by user enviroment
[11:22] <codemaniac> !info acct
[11:23] <ify> can someone direct me to  a developer?
[11:23] <tsimpson> deffrag: there should be no difference in the commands between over LAN and over internet
[11:23] <ikonia> ify: why
[11:23] <ify> looking for support
[11:24] <xsl> i also read about placing on bash.bashrc the "read only" of those attributes.. like HISTFILESIZE... my guess is that there is no 1 variable solution... i need to work around several stuff
[11:24] <xsl> ty for the input guys
[11:24] <ikonia> ify: ask here - this is a support channel
[11:24] <ify> kk
[11:24] <ify> thanks
[11:24] <francispereira> kdump-tools: loaded kdump kernel - but when echo c > /proc/sysrq-trigger kdump kernel is not loaded. The box just remains in hung state. Please help
[11:25] <ify> want a software on asset monitoring and tracking
[11:25] <ikonia> ify: the guys in #ubuntuforums just told you - you don't need a developer. Just ask your question
[11:25] <francispereira> anyone has kdump working on Ubuntu 12.04 ?
[11:25] <deffrag> tsimpson: Since SSH local port forwarding is used? So, the only difference would be ssh user@<externalIP/domain>
[11:27] <tsimpson> deffrag: yes, though you may need to make sure external connection to port 5900 are forwarded to the desktop system and not blocked by your firewall/router
[11:27] <codemaniac> upport channel
[11:27] <codemaniac>                  │15:24:31              ify | kk
[11:27] <codemaniac>                  │15:24:33              ify | thanks
[11:27] <codemaniac> upport channel
[11:27] <FloodBot1> codemaniac: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:27] <codemaniac>                  │15:24:31              ify | kk
[11:27] <codemaniac>                  │15:24:33              ify | thanks
[11:27] <codemaniac> sorry folks it was a accident
[11:30] <Tsavo> SSH into a fresh install of Xubuntu (12.04.1) suddenly having the Connection closed. -v flag reveals: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1213903/  usual fixes involving /etc/hosts aren't working
[11:30] <francispereira> anyone has kdump working on Ubuntu 12.04 ? I have setup kdump-tools but no dump kernel get loaded on manually triggering a crash
[11:31] <deffrag> tsimpson: Well, the wiki I used asks only to have port 22 forwarded not 5900- " configure your router to send connection attempts on port 22 (but not port 5900) to your PC". I already have port 22 forwarded. So ..
[11:32] <tsimpson> deffrag: well hopefully you don't need to forward 5900 then, best way to tell is to give it a try
[11:34] <twitchie> !botsnack
[11:34] <deffrag> tsimpson: Yes. But I'm curious if I'll have to forward port 5900 on router, will it allow only one connection? "By convention, port numbers start at 5,900 and go up, so a computer that shared three different desktops would normally listen on ports 5,900, 5,901 and 5,902"
[11:35]  * twitchie pat ubottu 
[11:35] <tsimpson> deffrag: I'm not sure exactly how it's implemented in ssh, but I'm guessing you don't need to forward any more ports (from what I'm reading)
[11:35] <deffrag> tsimpson: Yes, thanks a lot for your time and input. :)
[11:35] <tsimpson> no problem
[11:39] <SilfenX> which version of the firewall is included in WHS2011? the win7 one or the one from w2k8?
[11:39] <BenE904> hello all newbie, I'm having some trouble using the terminal and was wondering if someone could help me.
[11:39] <auronandace> SilfenX: wrong channel
[11:40] <jrib> BenE904: just ask your question
[11:40] <SilfenX> auronandace: cripes! sry :(
[11:41] <BenE904> Well I'm trying to teach myself PERL in order to get on a masters course I want to do and i'm following the teach yourself PERL in 21 days.  However, when I try to run my first simple program I get the message: Can't open perl script "first.pl": No such file or directory
[11:41] <francispereira> anyone has kdump working on Ubuntu 12.04 ? I have setup kdump-tools but no dump kernel get loaded on manually triggering a crash
[11:41] <BenE904> I've made and saved it and i think its something to do with my PATH thing
[11:41] <jrib> BenE904: that means in the directory that you are in, the file "first.pl" does not exist
[11:42] <BenE904> how do I change the directory?  I have both windows and ubuntu installed on this desktop and think thats the problem
[11:42] <jrib> !cli | BenE904
[11:42] <jrib> BenE904: cd some-directory
[11:42] <auronandace> BenE904: that has nothing to do with it
[11:42] <twitchie> !mv | BenE904
[11:45] <_bt> hello, can anyone give me information on "SRU" updates to ubuntu?
[11:45] <jrib> !sru | _bt
[11:46] <BenE904> thanks ubottu, that looks like it might help
[11:47] <_bt> thanks jrib
[11:49] <mhr> hi
[11:49] <blackshirt> hi mhr
[11:49] <blackshirt> mhr, where do you come from?
[11:49] <mhr> which file does dpkg --status reads to show the package status?
[11:50] <mhr> blackfrank, I am from New Delhi
[11:51] <Tsavo> Koh steal your face?
[11:51] <blackshirt> Mhr, look at /var/lib/dpkg/status
[11:52] <blackshirt> mhr, you mention a wrong nick
[11:53] <mhr> blackshirt, oh i knew what you meant?
[11:53] <blackshirt> good
[11:54] <mhr> blackshirt, sorry that was a statement
[11:55] <blackshirt> no problemo
[11:56] <mhr> oh so dpkg --status reads from /var/lib/dpkg/status?
[11:56] <mhr> do you know where it gets all these informations from?
[11:57] <blackshirt> mhr, can describe more details?
[11:58] <nibbier> mhr, strace -eopen -f COMMAND will tell you what gets if info from where
[11:58] <blackshirt> yes, i think that files used internally by dpkg
[11:58] <mhr> I am working on a package upgrade script but and want to update the version number
[11:58] <tsimpson> mhr: or look at the FILES section of "man dpkg"
[12:00] <jrib> mhr: umm... what exactly do you mean by "package upgrade script"?
[12:01] <francispereira> anyone has kdump working on Ubuntu 12.04 ? I have setup kdump-tools but dump kernel does not get loaded on manually triggering a crash
[12:03] <mhr> i have a software installed installed in 10.04 LTS, created by someone else earlier, now I need to upgrade the software but the version number i get from dpkg --status is the old one
[12:03] <mhr> i want to update the version number
[12:03] <jrib> mhr: then you need to install a .deb package with the later version; you should not be editing files where dpkg stores information
[12:04] <blackshirt> the version number was used by dpkg metadata ... And used on many place of dpkg internally,you should be carefull
[12:06] <mhr> in the .deb package there must be some file which stores the version number of the package?
[12:06] <jrib> mhr: yes, of course. How did you install the later version?
[12:09] <blackshirt> mhr, yes... That stored on called metadata
[12:10] <Seveas> mhr, there is. a .deb file is an ar archive containing 3 files: data.tar.gz control.tar.gz and debian-binary. control.tar.gz contains metadata such as version info and postinstall scripts
[12:10] <mhr> the software was created by my senior who has left now, and the files i can see the relevant information that dpkg --status shows is inside the control file
[12:11] <Seveas> mhr, to get the data: ar x debfile.here control.tar.gz, and look in control.tar.gz
[12:12] <mhr> thank you all for the help, i will look up in those files
[12:13] <michele_> Ciao, sono nuovo, chi mi spiega come funziona questa chat?
[12:13] <HaikuVbox> !it | michele_
[12:17] <tinysmiley> hi
[12:17] <Rikim4ru> I have what I think is a generic error when trying to compile (make command) software (Merlin for nagios),   could you please provide some insight for fixing this issue?
[12:17] <blackshirt> tinysmiley: hi
[12:17] <Rikim4ru> the error ----  lib/iocache.h : no such file or directory
[12:17] <blackshirt> Rikim4ru: what the error ?
[12:18] <Rikim4ru> when I google for iocache.h , it prompts from diffenrent software also, so I guess this is somehow generic
[12:18] <Rikim4ru> I've installed all the required dependencies..
[12:20] <blackshirt> Rikim4ru: i don't where iocache.c come from ..
[12:20] <_raven_> hi
[12:20] <Rikim4ru> Ok :(
[12:20] <_raven_> how to do port-forwarding via ssh for ALL ports?
[12:21] <blackshirt> _raven_: hi
[12:21] <Kartagis> how do I tell a p1 patch from a p0 patch?
[12:22] <bazhang>  File iocache.h found in libcherokee-base0-dev  Rikim4ru
[12:23] <Rikim4ru> bazhang! thanks you!
[12:23] <swissman> hi
[12:24] <jrib> Kartagis: you can usually tell by just reading the beginning
[12:24] <swissman> I cannot load https
[12:25] <swissman> Ubuntu Error Connection
[12:26] <swissman> I do success redirect to Globes.co.il
[12:26] <swissman> But not to Google
[12:26] <swissman> Hey Cell
[12:26] <SilfenX> Does anyone know if this is possible with UFW from desktop using some kind of GUI for UFW? http://i45.tinypic.com/nnqq2f.png
[12:26] <Kartagis> jrib: the first line says diff --git a/imagecache_canvasactions.module b/imagecache_canvasactions.module
[12:26] <jrib> Kartagis: so there you go
[12:27] <Kartagis> jrib: so, p1 or p0?
[12:27] <jrib> Kartagis: do you understand what p1 and p0 do?
[12:27] <Kartagis> not really
[12:27] <jrib> Kartagis: man patch, scroll down to the description of -p, it's very readable
[12:28] <gerbilcabbagehai> why would I be getting this message "command not found" on running sudo add-apt-repository?
[12:29] <jrib> gerbilcabbagehai: because the command was not found?  You probably need to install python-software-properties
[12:29] <HaikuVbox> !ufw | SilfenX
[12:29] <Kartagis> jrib: so, this is p1
[12:29] <jrib> Kartagis: yes, probably
[12:30] <talsamon> gerbilcabbagehai,  the right command is  apt-add-repository
[12:30] <foo357> Hello, I've got a offline computer running 10.04. I manage package installations, updates and whatnot by using keryx. http://keryxproject.org/ ... however I need to add a PPA and get some packages from it, how should I do this?
[12:30] <gerbilcabbagehai> talsamon: ah, thanks. The tutorial is wrong then. :)
[12:30] <gerbilcabbagehai> I thought is strange that it swaps them around
[12:31] <jrib> gerbilcabbagehai: both commands work (on the latest ubuntu anyway)
[12:31] <gerbilcabbagehai> im typing something wrong
[12:31] <SilfenX> HaikuVbox: but is it possbile to set exceptions per nw interface in some similar way to what is show in my screnshot?
[12:32] <HaikuVbox> SilfenX: no idea sorry
[12:32] <gerbilcabbagehai> what does apt stand for?
[12:33] <gerbilcabbagehai> e.g. apt-get
[12:33] <codemaniac> gerbilcabbagehai: Advanced Package Tool
[12:33] <codemaniac> or packaging
[12:33] <HaikuVbox> !apt | gerbilcabbagehai
[12:33] <|Anthony|> how do i make it such that 2 users can access audio devices at the same time?
[12:33] <|Anthony|> it would be 2 different devices
[12:34] <gerbilcabbagehai> !ppa
[12:34] <francispereira> anyone has kdump working on Ubuntu 12.04 ? I have setup kdump-tools but dump kernel does not get loaded on manually triggering a crash
[12:35] <twitchie> !botsnack
[12:37] <Tsavo> ha
[12:37] <aristidesfl> does anyone know if it is possible to do the equivalent to bash's source with fish?
[12:38] <_raven_> how to do port-forwarding via ssh for ALL ports?
[12:39] <MonkeyDust> !info fish
[12:40] <foo357> Hello, I've got a offline computer running 10.04. I manage package installations, updates and whatnot by using keryx. http://keryxproject.org/ ... however I need to add a PPA and get some packages from it, how should I do this?
[12:41] <|Anthony|> foo357, this machine has not internet connection?
[12:41] <gerbilcabbagehai> im having trouble installing handbrake. I followed the instructions on https://launchpad.net/~stebbins/+archive/handbrake-releases but im doing something wrong. I end up with "command not found" when trying to get it via add-apt-repository, AND via apt-add-repository. I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 server. any ideas?
[12:41] <foo357> |Anthony|: nope
[12:41] <|Anthony|> you'll have to use an aptoncd source
[12:43] <foo357> |Anthony|: I think Keryx does pretty much the same thing as aptoncd
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:44] <gerbilcabbagehai> nvm. thanks jrib. works now
[12:45] <|Anthony|> foo357, so what's the issue then? get your packages on a disc, add the disc as an apt source, profit. right?
[12:45] <twitchie> !add-apt-repository | gerbilcabbagehai
[12:46] <foo357> |Anthony|: I think it might be enough to add the PPA to the list of sources, they're listed like for example: "deb http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid-updates main restricted" but how should I add an PPA?
[12:47] <Rikim4ru> could someone tell me if my usage of GIT is ok?
[12:47] <Rikim4ru> git clone git://git.op5.org/nagios/merlin.git
[12:47] <Rikim4ru> does this command assure me a full (and latest) download?
[12:47] <twitchie> foo357 that's an archive not a ppa .. if you want to add that archive add it to /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:48] <foo357> twitchie: how do I add an PP to sources.list?
[12:48] <foo357> PPA*
[12:49] <twitchie> you cannot... a ppa is thought update-manager / software-center or add-apt-repository
[12:49] <twitchie> through*
[12:50] <twitchie> !ppa | foo357
[12:51] <foo357> twitchie: could a online computer download the packages I need from the PPA, not necessarily the identical OS as my offline computer?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> foo357, you can add a ppa with this command , sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nameofppa-ppa/nameofpackage
[12:52] <foo357> BluesKaj: won't work if the pc is offline, which mine is
[12:52] <OerHeks> foo357 i never tried to download from a ppa to add offline...
[12:53] <BluesKaj> foo357, ok then why are you guys even discussing ppa's . you need to be online to use them
[12:54] <foo357> BluesKaj: I need some software that's available in a PPA
[12:54] <twitchie> foo357: yes you cna download the individual .deb files and dependencies if required and transfer them but that is not suggested as the system cannot upgrade to new packages as required.
[12:55] <BluesKaj> looks like your stuck in a no win situation, foo357
[12:56] <twitchie> well a win but lose in the long run situation
[12:56] <francispereira> anyone has kdump working on Ubuntu 12.04 ? I have setup kdump-tools but dump kernel does not get loaded on manually triggering a crash
[12:57] <twitchie> if the individual packages install without long dependencies
[12:57] <BluesKaj> put the pc online if possible . foo357 or copy the packages to another online pc and copy them to a usb stick for transfer to the offline pc ...
[12:58] <twitchie> persoanly if you are going to sandbox a machine just stay stock unless you need ubuntu-restricted-extras of course! :P
[13:00] <akis> hi all. i have a usb lexmark printer (Z845) without any linux driver. Is there any possibility to make it work under my Xubuntu 12.04?
[13:01] <twitchie> !cups | akis
[13:01] <HaikuVbox> akis: next time get a hp printer
[13:01] <twitchie> don't***************
[13:01] <twitchie> :P
[13:01] <BluesKaj> akis, very doubtful , unless your Lexmark is made for business , they have linux support
[13:03] <akis> i have a samsung and run perfect with any distribution (openSuse or Kubuntu/Xubuntu). This printer was a gift with a desktop PC and i am wondering if i could make it work with my  freshly installed 12.04.
[13:03] <OerHeks> HaikuVbox, my smasung comes without any notification what wants any confirmation, like HP does.
[13:03] <OerHeks> c/samsung
[13:04] <OerHeks> akis samsung works OOTB
[13:05] <Rikim4ru> could someone point me out how to download a software with git?
[13:06] <HaikuVbox> !git | Rikim4ru
[13:06] <BluesKaj> akis, lexmark consumer grade printers have poor support in linux , altho there are some that have drivers available , but very few
[13:06] <OerHeks> there is a nice wiki >>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Git
[13:06] <akis> although there is a compatibility for series Z600 and Z700 there is no one for Z800. I think i will send it for recycle!
[13:06] <Rikim4ru> thanks!
[13:07] <nydel> how to register a web browser as an alternative for gnome-www-browser?
[13:08] <BEC> hey; my 12.04's sound settings doesn't show an hdmi setting (laptop); in 10.04 it did. any idea why?
[13:08] <Rikim4ru> so,
[13:08] <twitchie> nycsd: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1995499
[13:08] <Rikim4ru> is " git clone" the correct download command?
[13:09] <twitchie> !git | Rikim4ru
[13:09] <twitchie> !botsnack
[13:09] <Rikim4ru> yes or no could help
[13:10] <auronandace> Rikim4ru: perhaps you could read the documentation
[13:10] <Rikim4ru> I've just read the ubuntu one, and it's more related to create a git store than download the latest rev of a software
[13:11] <SilfenX> why would you need this channel if everyone spent days reading manpages?
[13:12] <|Anthony|> how do i make it such that 2 users can access audio devices at the same time?
[13:12] <|Anthony|> it would be 2 different devices
[13:12] <twitchie> Rikim4ru: in cli "git -h"
[13:13] <BluesKaj> SilfenX, most manpages are barely decipherable for most users anyway
[13:13] <SilfenX> BluesKaj: thats what I m saying - spending days reading ending up feeling it was for nothing
[13:13] <twitchie> they make ppl discombobulated
[13:13] <Rikim4ru> git clone git://git.op5.org/nagios/merlin.git
[13:14] <Rikim4ru> then this is the correct command?
[13:14] <Rikim4ru> It downloaded a folder with the software inside
[13:14] <SilfenX> been there done that - maybe it has to do with my iq tho, but someone with improved iq maybe could take pitty on me answering a question or two
[13:14] <Rikim4ru> is there anything else I have to do to make sure everything is ok?
[13:14] <twitchie> Rikim4ru: I dont know ... what does git -h and man git say?
[13:15] <Rikim4ru> Unkown option -h  hehehe
[13:15] <twitchie> hurm wonder if exec -o still works
[13:15] <BluesKaj> SilfenX, doubt that IQ has much to do with it , knowledge fro experience is usually the case
[13:16] <twitchie> Rikim4ru: then --help
[13:16] <ansii> i have 2 headphone jacks on my laptop its a HP DV6 1152TX , can anyone tell me if i can route different audio on both of them.. as i want to use a DJ software like MIX
[13:16] <auronandace> Rikim4ru: perhaps you can ask in #git
[13:16] <ansii> can anyone please help me
[13:16] <ansii> i have 2 headphone jacks on my laptop its a HP DV6 1152TX , can anyone tell me if i can route different audio on both of them.. as i want to use a DJ software like MIX
[13:17] <OerHeks> ansii, 1 jack = headphone, 1  jack is mic  ?
[13:17] <SilfenX> ansii: then your software shoud display 2 individual audiooutput devices, one for each output, if that would be possible
[13:18] <|Anthony|> ansii, click on the sound settings panel icon
[13:18] <ansii> OerHeks no.. tis laptop as 1 jack = head phone, 2 jack  = another head phone and 3 jack  =  mic
[13:18] <|Anthony|> ansii, select the playback tab
[13:18] <OerHeks> ansii 2nd jack might be line out then
[13:18] <|Anthony|> ansii, find the program(s) that are playing audio
[13:19] <ansii> OerHeks this is my laptop and i can hear audio from both jacks
[13:19] <|Anthony|> ansii, select the output source from the drop down beside the application and change it
[13:19] <ansii> Anthony there are 2 entries one is Digital output (S/PDIF) and other is Speakers (Duilt in audio)
[13:20] <mbeierl> ansii, first question: are you sure the audio card in the computer supports two different audio outputs and it's not just duplicating the audio at the hardware level
[13:20] <SilfenX> ansii: you re out of luck then
[13:20] <comp365-Colin> Is there a way of calling external text filters in nano, similar to ! in vim?
[13:20] <agc93> I know this is a long shot, but has anyone here used a Belkin Wireless N ExpressCard with Ubuntu?
[13:20] <ansii> mbeier1 , good question.. but i dont know.. all i know is that this laptop comes with a dual headphone slots
[13:21] <ansii> SilfenX how do i ensure that the right drivers have been installed for my sound card?
[13:21] <SilfenX> ansii: it s like a seat on an airplane, co-hearing
[13:21] <|Anthony|> ansii, open a terminal
[13:21] <|Anthony|> ansii, type aplay -l
[13:21] <BluesKaj> agc93, usb wifi ?
[13:21] <ansii> aplay -l
[13:21] <|Anthony|> ansii, that will list the audio devices available
[13:22] <ansii> its shows 3 devices
[13:22] <|Anthony|> don't use /exec aplay -l in chat here lol
[13:22] <SilfenX> ansii: you know you have the right driver for your audiohardware if it plays audio, mroe or less
[13:22] <|Anthony|> ansii, can you discern which devices are which?
 should i past it here?
[13:23] <|Anthony|> you can also use aplay -L that will show the device names in a more human readable way
[13:23] <BluesKaj> !paste
[13:24] <SilfenX> if your particular DJ software supports multiple outputs, then maybe you shoudl have a lookaround in the programs audiohardware preferences and see if you can select spdif as one output and the analog out jack as a 2nd output - experimental but maybe it could work
[13:24] <ansii> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216697/
[13:25] <|Anthony|> calm down now. the kernel has to recognize the hw before a dj app will be able to utilize it
[13:25] <ansii> |Anthony|  BluesKaj here it is
[13:25] <ansii> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216697/
[13:25]  * |Anthony| is reading
[13:25] <kbk1> UFW question. If I 'default deny outgoing' on my machine, I can no longer browse the internet. Any possible explanations?
[13:25] <SilfenX> ansii: then you d need a way of getting that spdif signal into your amp which would need to go through a hardware mixer forst
[13:26] <kbk1> FWIW, someone played with the iptables at some point. Here is that output: http://pastebin.com/pQT02eqF
[13:26] <BluesKaj> ansii, you have no sound at all ?
[13:26] <ansii> but is there someway to know that my 2 headphone audio jack are independant or not?
[13:27] <SilfenX> if you hear the same audio in them they are
[13:27] <|Anthony|> ansii, i'm thinking that they are mirrored outputs
[13:27] <|Anthony|> but you can test this
[13:27] <Sidewinder1> I haven't been following, sorry; someone has provided the 'sound factoid', have they not?
[13:27] <ansii> BluesKaj sometimes the sound dosent play.. like in the hardware test under settings.. when i ran the audio test no sound came out
[13:28] <|Anthony|> with aplay -D plughw:n,n /usr/share/alsa/sounds/Front_Center.wav
[13:28] <BEC> my 12.04's sound settings doesn't show an hdmi setting (laptop); in 10.04 it did. any idea why?
[13:28] <ansii> |Anthony| shit.. how did u get to  know that!!!
[13:28] <BEC> anyone ?
[13:28] <BluesKaj> ansii, install pavucontrol , for setting your audio inputs and outputs
[13:28] <twitchie> anyone use me-tv with hdhomerun in aust?
[13:29] <SilfenX> ansii: do you have an external audio mixer? If you dont, you d need a way to play back/mix both hardware outputs simultanesly in some other fashion before hitting the amp
[13:29] <ansii> SilfenX have u worked on mixxx?
[13:29] <SilfenX> ansii: why dont yo ujust use the DJ software to mix your tracks in software and playback the already mixed output?
[13:29] <|Anthony|> ansii, look at lines 52 and 55 of your pastebin
[13:30] <SilfenX> ansii: no, I havent used mixxx, sry
[13:30] <twitchie> any1 using cinnamon on 12.04?
[13:30] <twitchie> !ot > twitchie
[13:30] <auronandace> twitchie: its not supported here
[13:30] <|Anthony|> ansii, those are the 2 intel HDA devices. one is the onboard audio (builtin speakers) which iirc is shared by the headphone output jack. the other i think is the spdif
[13:30] <SilfenX> I have used Logic Audio tho on an ASIO compatible soundcard with 8 chan breakoutbox
[13:30] <BEC> what about a flickering video?
[13:31] <ansii> |Anthony| ure a genius man!!..
[13:31] <codepython777> where can i add this line --  deb http://packages.prosody.im/debian stable main ?
[13:32] <|Anthony|> ansii, thanks for the vote of confidence, but not really... i'm just familiar with it cause i'm having my own issues atm lol
[13:32] <lil_Worker> can i compile a 64bit binary on 32bit unbuntu install?
[13:32] <lil_Worker> well, simply adding the -m64 flag
[13:32] <ansii> |Anthony| let me tell u that i am aspiring to be a DJ and i want to start off with UBUNTU mixxx and other open source apps.. but the requirement is a 2 different output from laptop
[13:33] <mcatch> can someone explain to me the reasoning behind having to type "./myProrgam" to execute it from the terminal instead of just "myProrgam"? Is it because linux distributions try to obtain package information for all non-directory based terminal lines?
[13:33] <|Anthony|> ansii, you're going to have to use some pulseaudio magic. and let me tell you... getting it to work as expected is a royal pita
[13:33] <|Anthony|> ansii, do you have an outboard amp that you could hook up to the spdif?
[13:34] <agc93> mcatch: If it was in your PATH you wouldnt need the slash
[13:34] <ansii> there is no SPDIF but there is only a HDMI output on this laptop
[13:34] <agc93> Ubuntu searches your PATH for non-directory commands
[13:34] <ansii> |Anthony|  there is no SPDIF but there is only a HDMI output on this laptop
[13:34] <Muelli> mcatch: It's because of the PATH. An environment variable listing directories that your shell searches executables in. You could set PATH to "." for the current directory but that's highly frowned upon.
[13:34] <BluesKaj> ansii, type alsamixer in the terminal, take a screenshot and paste it to www.imagebin.org
[13:36] <foo357> Hello, I need a package that doesn't seem to be available for the ubuntu version I'm using (10.04 LTS)
[13:36] <daviddoria> I was getting "expired credentials" errors from Pidgin this morning. When I logged into the google page that pidgin popped up and did my 2-step verification, it said it was going to access Docs, Contacts, etc. Does it really need access to all of these things? I just want to make sure this is a legit operation and not some weird fishing thing
[13:36] <BEC> foo357, what package?
[13:37] <zykotick9> !ppa | foo357
[13:37] <d00durk00l> My nic has been acting funny... now I have ifupdown listed as a additional wired nic ... Why?
[13:37] <foo357> BEC: libgeos++-dev
[13:37] <BEC> not sure what that is, but search for it: package name Ubuntu 12.04
[13:37] <foo357> zykotick9: my computer doesn't have a internet connection, so I cannot use PPA:s evidently
[13:38] <BEC> the name might have changed!
[13:38] <zykotick9> mcatch: ./ means "at this location".  and it's a security issue to have your current directory in $PATH
[13:39] <ansii> BluesKaj http://imagebin.org/229109
[13:39] <ansii> BluesKaj http://imagebin.org/229109
[13:39] <|Anthony|> ansii, well, the hdmi is really for video
[13:40] <zykotick9> mcatch: and, it's not "non-directory" it looks for - it looks for executable.
[13:40] <ansii> yes sir there is a ATI radeon card also on this laptop
[13:40] <|Anthony|> ansii, you can get audio over it, but it's not its primary purpose
[13:40] <d00durk00l> ifupdown cannot be edited in the connections menu and that and auto eth0 are listed... Does that sound a little odd to anyone?
[13:40] <d00durk00l> could that be malware?
[13:40] <ansii> |Anthony| really sir?? how can i make it possible??
[13:40] <twitchie> |Anthony|: that is not true .. HDMI is built for Video Audio and Ethernet
[13:41] <d00durk00l> hdmi can use ethernet as well?
[13:41] <twitchie> yes
[13:41] <|Anthony|> twitchie, idk how to respond to that
[13:41] <ansii> BluesKaj did u see it?????
[13:42] <twitchie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
[13:42] <polysics> hello
[13:42] <polysics> been trying to get a shell script to run on login in a terminal for a while now
[13:42] <d00durk00l> can someone help me please
[13:42] <polysics> I tried with gnome-terminal -e and -x but it does not run
[13:42] <polysics> script does a cd followed by executinga ruby file
[13:43] <|Anthony|> ansii, do you have an hdmi input on your outboard amp?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> ansii, yes , to see the "kernel driver in use" , lspci -v | grep -i snd  in the terminal , just paste the first line here
[13:44] <zykotick9> polysics: are you giving "gnome-terminal -e /full/path/to/script" and is the script executable?  is the cd "required"?
[13:44] <polysics> the cd is required because of some relative paths I can't change atm
[13:44] <polysics> and yes, I would say the path is correct
[13:45] <polysics> what's weird is taht running gnome-terminal -e /full/path in another terminal works
[13:45] <moustafa> Morning CSS
[13:45] <moustafa> Just a heads up: The network is down in the Montreal office
[13:45] <moustafa> I'm using my phone's 3G connection to send this
[13:45] <Pici> moustafa: I think you are in the wrong channel.
[13:46] <moustafa> Dammn it
[13:46] <BEC> twitchie, can u help? my 12.04's sound settings doesn't show an hdmi setting (laptop); in 10.04 it did. any idea why?
[13:46] <moustafa> Pici, I hate it when Xchat switches me around :P
[13:46] <|Anthony|> BEC, go to terminal and type aply -l to see that the kernel recognizes your hardware
[13:47] <|Anthony|> frikin a... is it audio day in #ubuntu
[13:47] <mithodin> hey guys. I just installed ubuntu on a pc and i need a driver for the wireless card
[13:47] <mithodin> i have no network connection on the machine itself, obviously
[13:48] <mithodin> what is the way to go to get the right driver?
[13:48] <mithodin> it's a marvell 88w8335 card
[13:48] <BEC> |Anthony|, u mean aplay? need 2 install "alsa-utils"?
[13:49] <|Anthony|> BEC, oh yes
[13:49] <|Anthony|> typo
[13:49] <ansii> BluesKaj http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216732/
[13:49] <ansii> BluesKaj  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216732/
[13:49] <BEC> |Anthony|, $ aplay -l
[13:49] <BEC> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[13:49] <BEC> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
[13:49] <BEC>   Subdevices: 0/1
[13:49] <BEC>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[13:49] <BEC> card 1: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
[13:49] <FloodBot1> BEC: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:50] <BEC> |Anthony|, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216734/
[13:50] <|Anthony|> BEC, ok so the kern sees the hdmi device. but you're saying it doesn't show up in sound settings?
[13:51] <ansii> BluesKaj  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216732/
[13:51] <BluesKaj> ansii, ok , that's the correct driver , i forgot to mention when you opened alsamixer to use the F5 key which shows all the controls  , you may have some of them either muted or turned down
[13:51] <BEC> |Anthony|, no; in All Settings > Sound > Output there's no HDMI; only Headphones & Speakers
[13:51] <BEC> note that in 10.04 I had an HDMI entry!
[13:52] <polysics> I tried everything: launchers, shell, anything
[13:52] <polysics> the terminal window shows up for a split second then goes away
[13:53] <|Anthony|> BEC, type aplay -D plughw:0,0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav it should come through your internal speakers. do that again with plughw:1,3 and it *should* go through the hdmi
[13:55] <ansii> BluesKaj  http://imagebin.org/229110 here thats F5
[13:55] <BluesKaj> ansii, my question is , what do want to do with the the sound outputs , do you want to use the headphones , the anaolg or spdif/digital out or... ?
[13:55] <julius_> hi
[13:56] <ansii> BluesKaj , pardon me for not explaining u correctly..
[13:56] <polysics> in fact, it seems that no autorun at all works here
[13:56] <polysics> not even just running, say, gnome-terminal on login
[13:56] <polysics> it does not open!
[13:56] <zykotick9> polysics: try "xterm -hold -e foo"
[13:56] <ansii> BluesKaj  i am an aspiring dj but dont have the money and experience to buy hardware, so i am starting with applications like mixxx and other software that requre 2 audio outputs
[13:58] <ansii> BluesKaj hence i am trying to explore the possibilities to extract two different and independant audio streams outta my laptop.. i believe UBUNTU was created by god hence it could be possible here, Windows sucks
[13:58] <ansii> BluesKaj??
[13:58] <polysics> zykotick9: this got me slightly further
[13:59] <polysics> it is apparently not finding bundler
[13:59] <ansii> http://imagebin.org/229110
[13:59] <ansii> BluesKaj , http://imagebin.org/229110
[13:59] <polysics> how do I run a command as if I logged in, bash profile and all?
[13:59] <polysics> please
[13:59] <BluesKaj> ansii, ok , what kinds of inputs does the amplifier have that you going to use , most have digital , either optical or cox and analog and hdmi as well
[13:59] <|Anthony|> how do i make it such that 2 users can access audio devices at the same time? it would be 2 different audio devices
[14:00] <|Anthony|> see it's audio support day in #ubuntu
[14:00] <|Anthony|> lol
[14:00] <ansii> the mixer of the sound man is what i get.. and he gives me just one stereo to rc cable
[14:00] <julius_> anyone using the 4G XSStick P14 (webstick) in ubuntu 12.04?   found some older docs, but they do not work in 12.04
[14:01] <ansii> BluesKaj the mixer of the sound man is what i get.. and he gives me just one stereo to rc cable
[14:01] <Sailor_Moon> please, tell me: is a commandline text editor, which can change font/background color, as Microsoft Edit.exe for Dos, but free?
[14:01] <ikonia> you can do that with almost any
[14:01] <ikonia> vim, emacs, nano, etc
[14:02] <Sailor_Moon> ikonia, thank you
[14:02] <Sailor_Moon> how many megabites can open these editors?
[14:02] <ikonia> depends on your ram
[14:02] <ikonia> as much as your ram can deal with
[14:03] <Sailor_Moon> ikonia, 16 mb ram, freedos
[14:03] <BluesKaj> ansii, you don't want 2 outputs , but you do want to switch between 2 sources on the laptop for the music , correct?
[14:03] <ikonia> Sailor_Moon: then 16MB
[14:03] <ikonia> Sailor_Moon: freedos has nothing to do with this
[14:03] <ikonia> Sailor_Moon: you're running ubuntu
[14:03] <Sailor_Moon> ikonia, thank you very much!
[14:04] <Sailor_Moon> ikonia, a half of freedos program ported from ubuntu/linux)
[14:04] <ikonia> Sailor_Moon: freedos has nothing to do with your ubuntu text editors
[14:04] <Guest53273> hi everyone, i have a doubt. what command i write on launcher, to start a sh file?
[14:05] <Sailor_Moon> so i think there is these editors ported to freedos; i shell see ibiblio.org
[14:05] <ansii> BluesKaj output 1 will be the main out put out put 2 so i can hear or premix tracks to set to the right cue point
[14:05] <XMENDES> hi everyone, i have a doubt. what command i write on launcher, to start a sh file?
[14:05] <ikonia> Sailor_Moon: freedos has nothing to do with your ubuntu text editors
[14:06] <XMENDES> i have one line on terminal " /sudo something..." how transform to a launcher file on my desktop?
[14:06] <XMENDES> this file is on the root directory
[14:06] <kdsmain> ok so...before I realized that there was an xml file which is responsible for showing the available wallpapers in the "Wallpapers" tab in Appearance, I deleted all of the standard pictures. Is my computer going to catch fire?
[14:06] <Sailor_Moon> ikonia, bye! lucky!
[14:06] <XMENDES> anyone
[14:06] <XMENDES> ?
[14:06] <ansii> BluesKaj !!??
[14:07] <BluesKaj> ansii , ok then that's a software setting you have to figure out in mixx or whatever the  app is you're using ...I'm not familiar with them
[14:07] <vect0ry> XMENDES: for starters you could try putting the line in a textfile and change the permissions to executable, maybe add #!/bin/bash at the top or ...
[14:07] <ansii> ok.. are there any good external usb soundcards that would work on ubuntu?
[14:08] <m3pow> if i have an *.rb file with methods. how can i require that file into IRB so i can use those methods
[14:08] <vect0ry> XMENDES: but dont call it sudo
[14:08] <m3pow> quit
[14:08] <BEC> |Anthony|, I did that & it works; when I connected the cable, the HDMI option appeared in the settings; when removed it was gone!
[14:09] <BEC> |Anthony|, I guess there's no problem then?!
[14:09] <XMENDES> i have to put this file on /bin/bash  ??
[14:09] <XMENDES> this file is on my home directory
[14:09] <stef-> cine e owner aici
[14:09] <tanveerubuntu> guys need help
[14:09] <tanveerubuntu> can someone tell me
[14:09] <BEC> |Anthony|, speaking of which I believe I have a video bug or smthg; when playing vid's the image flickers every 3~4 seconds!
[14:09] <XMENDES> gonna try here.. one minute
[14:09] <m3pow> http://pastebin.com/sFKBLEp4
[14:09] <tanveerubuntu> here is the directory cd /minecraft/world/mcmmo_data    i am trying to delete mcmmo_data
[14:09] <tanveerubuntu> can someone help me asap please
[14:10] <BluesKaj> ansii, yes , m-audio has some very good ones , I use a m-audio pci card and it has great sound and it's very floexible , but they are a bit pricey ...ebay has them for decent prices if you don't mind "used"
[14:10] <m3pow> did it start the countdown sequence to blow up ,,, what's the rush ?
[14:10] <BEC> tanveerubuntu, what exactly do u need?
[14:10] <XMENDES> when i wrot on terminal  sh file.xx .. its starts
[14:10] <Marzata> tanveerubuntu: pls, write to ubuntu-asap channel
[14:10] <XMENDES> but on launcher no.
[14:11] <|Anthony|> BEC, there is a known issue with HDMI video. when sound cuts out the video source does as well
[14:11] <tanveerubuntu> BEC:  hi im trying to delete a folder using terminal
[14:11] <|Anthony|> but only for a seconf
[14:11] <tanveerubuntu> BEC:  because my vps ends like now i have to delete some folders and back everything up
[14:11] <tanveerubuntu> BEC: cd /minecraft/world/mcmmo_data   <------  that folder
[14:12] <Rikim4ru> how can I add the LDFLAGS+=  to a "make" command?
[14:12] <polysics> zykotick9: owe you a couple beers
[14:13] <XMENDES> vectory ... it works .. i only remove "sudo" from file and it starts.. tks a lot man
[14:13] <XMENDES> regards guys.
[14:13] <XMENDES> bye
[14:15] <phantomcircuit> what's a good way to take a video of the desktop? (like a screenshot but video)
[14:16] <obi> recordmydesktop
[14:16] <|Anthony|> recordmydesktop just works, but is heavier than using ffmpeg
[14:17] <crizis> recordmydesktop, ye
[14:17] <auronandace> !info gtk-recordmydesktop | phantomcircuit
[14:18] <BEC> |Alexia_Death|, "when sound cuts out the video source does as well" could u explain more plz?
[14:18] <BEC> |Anthony|, "when sound cuts out the video source does as well" could u explain more plz?
[14:18] <Rikim4ru> how can I add the LDFLAGS+=  to a "make" command?
[14:19] <Dev-Brian> hello
[14:19] <|Anthony|> it's a glitch. i don't know the details of causation, but if an audio signal gets interrupted the video will cut out for a second
[14:19] <|Anthony|> BEC ^
[14:20] <crizis> Rikim4ru, export LDFLAGS+=your flags
[14:20] <Rikim4ru> crizis, i should just exec this before the make command?
[14:20] <crizis> Rikim4ru, yes. it's a shell variable
[14:20] <Rikim4ru> ok
[14:20] <peetaur> when I run "aptitude install" it asks to install 552 packages, but "apt-get install" does not want to install anything. How can I clear this nonsense from aptitude?
[14:20] <crizis> Rikim4ru, export LFLAGS=$LDFLAGS -yourflags should work too
[14:21] <Rikim4ru> what does a flag look like? (sorry for being noob)
[14:21] <Rikim4ru> i'm looking to link it to /usr/lib/libdbi
[14:21] <Rikim4ru> is this my flag?
[14:22] <BEC> |Anthony|, ah; speaking of vid; do you know why installing mplayer requires the following nvidia packages: nvidia-vdpau-driver | nvidia-vdpau-driver-ia32 | vdpau-driver (I have an ATI card!)?
[14:22] <Rikim4ru> export LFLAGS=$LDFLAGS -/usr/lib/libdbi     ?
[14:22] <pankaj> hi there
[14:22] <alvis> hi everybody
[14:23] <alvis> exit
[14:23] <|Anthony|> BEC, probably because the installer isn't smart enough to detect hardware and make deps based on that. pre-compiled packages need to be done such that it is broad enough to support *most* hardware
[14:25] <BEC> |Anthony|, so should I Y the installer? or keep them back?
[14:25] <BEC> doesn't cause any conflict??
[14:25] <genii-around> BEC: Another reason could be that your default settings for packages have "Install Suggested Packages" set to on, since libvdpau1 which is a required dependency has those nvidia vdpau packages as "Suggested"
[14:25] <BEC> if installed?
[14:26] <|Anthony|> BEC, listen to genii-around
[14:26] <BEC> genii-around, I guess so; how do I turn it off?
[14:27] <BEC> genii-around, I sometimes use --no-install-recommends. What are these suggesed/recommended packages? I searched about them but couldn't find an answer! :S
[14:28] <BEC> genii-around, actually i did find stuff about it, but didn't quite understand them :S
[14:28] <peetaur> aha figured it out.... apt-get remove aptitude ; apt-get purge aptitude ; apt-get install aptitude
[14:28] <jrib> peetaur: blasphemy
[14:28] <peetaur> howso?
[14:28] <genii-around> BEC: You can make a file /etc/apt/apt.conf  and put in it: APT::Install-Suggests "0";
[14:28] <mindstorm> lol
[14:28] <jrib> peetaur: bad joke.  I wonder how aptitude purge aptitude would behave
[14:28] <peetaur> it was a traitor; it had to go
[14:29] <genii-around> Apologies on lag, work is taking up much of my time at the moment
[14:29] <jrib> peetaur: you know aptitude is broken on multi-arch?
[14:29] <peetaur> yes I know... one of many reasons I hate aptitude
[14:29] <peetaur> I only like "aptitude search" better than "apt-cache search"
[14:29] <BEC> genii-around, is it a good behavior to do so (i.e; opt out suggestions permanently )?
[14:30] <jrib> peetaur: same, I wish that aptitude search would replace apt-cache's
[14:30] <peetaur> also there's "aptitude moo"
[14:30] <BEC> |Anthony|, btw, the flickering isn't HDMI related; it is my system!
[14:31] <peetaur> ah but apt-get has a moo, just a different one.
[14:31] <mindstorm> super-moo
[14:31] <BEC> |Anthony|, now I discovered the related cause u mentioned: modifying sound amplitute causes more flickering!
[14:32] <genii-around> BEC: If you only want to opt out on a one-time basis, you can issue the apt-get command with the option in the command line as well, like: sudo apt-get intstall -o APT::Install-Suggests=0 <packagename>
[14:33] <genii-around> BEC: I find it easier just to set the Recommends and Suggests settings off in apt.conf so that unnecessary cruft doesn't get installed, especially on server systems where installing something like ffmpeg with those settings on will result in X being installed, etc
[14:36] <BEC> genii-around, same result: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216810/
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> !info docky
[14:36] <thunderdogger> hello?
[14:36] <BEC> genii-around, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216811/
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> !ask | thunderdogger
[14:37] <thunderdogger> I was wondering if there was anyway to check for malware on ubuntu?
[14:37] <varun> hello, how do i install python-config
[14:37] <varun> ?
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> !snort | thunderdogger
[14:38] <mnice> hello
[14:38] <genii-around> BEC: try instead -o APT::Install-Recommends=0
[14:38] <baizon> thunderdogger: rkhunter, ClamAV
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> !info snort | thunderdogger
[14:38] <jrib> varun: why? what is it?
[14:39] <xion> how can i save the output of a terminal command to a file?
[14:39] <varun> jrib: i am installing a software through terminal and it checks for python-config
[14:39] <peetaur> xion: echo hello > somefile
[14:39] <mnice> would anyone pastebin for me a analogical command in ubuntu as ``rpm -q pulseaudio --requires'' does in rpm systems ? i need to check PAs deps in buntu but i don't have any deb system right now
[14:39] <|Anthony|> xion, run you command like this: ps aux > somefile.txt
[14:39] <mnice> thanks
[14:40] <genii-around> BEC: Very odd though that with Suggests off it still wants those. http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/libvdpau1 does not show them as required.
[14:40] <OerHeks> mnice command not possible, join #fedora or any other rpm based distro
[14:40] <mnice> OerHeks: reread again and again until you understand please
[14:41] <tsimpson> mnice: just use apt-cache, apt-cache show <package>
[14:41] <mnice> OerHeks: "would anyone pastebin for me a analogical command in ubuntu as ``rpm -q pulseaudio --requires'' does in rpm systems ? i need to check PAs deps in buntu but i don't have any deb system right now" is there something what you don't undertsand to ?
 <|Anthony|> :thanks for that
[14:41] <mnice> tsimpson: again .. i don't have any .deb system
[14:41] <mnice> sorry
[14:42] <BEC> genii-around, here are all 4 results: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1216823/
[14:42] <tsimpson> mnice: you are on Ubuntu, you have apt-cache
[14:42]  * |Anthony| nods to xion 
[14:43] <mnice> tsimpson: omg, i am not
[14:43] <xion> |Anthony|:hey how can i do that
[14:43] <xion> i want to nod you
[14:43] <tsimpson> mnice: you said "in ubuntu", that command is in ubuntu
[14:43] <shishire> Ubuntu 12.04, I'm having trouble getting a reverse dns record to be recognized as the box's domainname.  The rdns record resolves fine, but running hostname --fqdn returns just the host, not the fqdn, and running domainname returns "(none)"  I've tried adding a search line to /etc/resolve.conf, but that didn't seem to do anything.  Anyone know of a doc that describes how ubuntu searches for it's domainname?
[14:43] <|Anthony|> xion, you type /me nods
[14:43] <mnice> tsimpson: "would anyone pastebin for me a analogical command in ubuntu as ``rpm -q pulseaudio --requires'' does in rpm systems ? i need to check PAs deps in buntu but i don't have any deb system right now" is there something what you don't undertsand to ?
[14:43] <jrib> varun: what software?
[14:43]  * xion nods
[14:43] <varun> xen
[14:43] <peetaur> mnice: I think somehow dpkg should do it ... but I don't know what option.
[14:43] <genii-around> BEC:  Yes, very weird.
[14:43] <tsimpson> mnice: yes, you said "command in ubuntu"
[14:44]  * xion nods |Anthony|
[14:44] <jrib> varun: why not use the packages in the repositories?
[14:44] <jrib> !xen | varun
[14:44] <mnice> peetaur: thanks man :D .. give to me please if you can
[14:44]  * xion laughs
[14:44] <|Anthony|> lol
[14:44] <mnice> tsimpson: i want output from that command
[14:44] <tsimpson> mnice: are you not in Ubuntu?
[14:45] <mnice> NO I AM NOT
[14:45] <tsimpson> mnice: so what OS are you on?
[14:45] <thunderdogger> in rkhunter what do these mean? Checking for passwd file changes                         [ Warning ]
[14:45] <thunderdogger>     Checking for group file changes                          [ Warning ]
[14:45] <BEC> genii-around, should I report a bug of some sort on that?
[14:46] <thunderdogger>  Checking for hidden files and directories                [ Warning ]
[14:46] <thunderdogger>  this also
[14:46] <mnice> tsimpson: please stop asking me for pontless things
[14:46] <varun> ubottu: thanks
[14:46] <mnice> tsimpson: i kindly requested clear foo
[14:46] <tsimpson> mnice: if you're not on Ubuntu, why are you asking in an #ubuntu channel
[14:47] <mnice> would anyone pastebin for me an output from analogical command in ubuntu as ``rpm -q pulseaudio --requires'' does in rpm systems ? i need to check PAs deps in buntu but i don't have any deb system right now
[14:47] <mnice> tsimpson: ^^ are you retarded or so ? sorry for these words .. i can't help out myself
[14:47] <jrib> mnice: use packages.ubuntu.com and please be polite, or that yeah :)
[14:48] <genii-around> BEC: If you use instead: sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends <name>     does it still want to install them? ( there are two ways to tell apt-get, one with setting an option with -o and in this case using the --no-install-recommends setting )
[14:48] <varun> jrib: i did install python and python2.7-dev from synaptic package manager..what do u suggest?
[14:48] <jrib> varun: I suggest just installing xen from the repositories
[14:48] <genii-around> BEC: If the --no-install-recommends also fails, then yes, I would consider it a bug
[14:48] <rob_p> mnice: perhaps something along the lines of, "sudo apt-get install -s <package_name> | egrep '^Inst|Conf'" might get you close... Basically does a simulate of the install process for the package, but doesn't really install anything whiile printing to the screen, everything that will be installed (deps, etc.)
[14:48] <varun> how?
[14:48] <killer_> i got grub rescue...plz help
[14:49] <jrib> rob_p: he wasn't on a debian-based system
[14:49] <jrib> varun: did you see the link ubottu gave?
[14:49] <wilee-nilee> !bootrepair | killer_
[14:49] <varun> jrib: how to install from repositories?
[14:49] <jrib> varun: did you see the link ubottu gave?
[14:49] <wilee-nilee> !grub | killer_
[14:49] <jrib> !xen | varun
[14:50] <julius_> anyone using the 4G XSStick P14 (webstick) in ubuntu 12.04?   found some older docs, but they do not work in 12.04
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> docky looks nice at the bottom :p
[14:58] <Winshing_Master> i have an issue with my wireless card. it says firmware missing. i have installed sta drivers and also added b43 in the /etc/modules file. still it doesnt work
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> !bcm | Winshing_Master
[14:59] <ansi> ii
[14:59] <ansii> HDMI to RCA will ser any good??
[15:00] <ansii> HDMI to RCA will ser any good?? for additional sound output ??
[15:00] <BluesKaj> ansii, no , hdmi is a digital signal
[15:00] <bazhang> ansii, sounds like a question for ##hardware
[15:01] <BluesKaj> rca inputs are analog , ansii
[15:01] <ansii> but i see that there is an HDMI to Rca convertor.. can i not use the audio output of it
[15:01] <bazhang> ansii, also, perhaps you mean vga
[15:01] <ansii> http://www.ebay.in/itm/HDMI-3-RCA-Cable-/251152982201?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3a79e260b9
[15:01] <ansii> BluesKaj RCA output
[15:03] <julius_> anyone using the 4G XSStick P14 (webstick) in ubuntu 12.04?   found some older docs, but they do not work in 12.04
[15:03] <WormDrink> sorry I keep asking these questions - which might seem stupid - but can anybody think of a good reason to have acpid running on a headless server ?
[15:03] <bazhang> julius_, whats the chipset
[15:04] <bazhang> WormDrink, you may well ask in #ubuntu-server
[15:04] <julius_> julius_: chipset?
[15:04] <bazhang> julius_, usb? lsusb to fin d out
[15:05] <julius_> bazhang: ive looked through some docs until now, but none used the word chipset in combination with a webstick. are we talking about the same thing?
[15:05] <ansii> bazhang can i not uset this HDMI output to stream a nother oudio
[15:06] <bazhang> julius_, is it a wireless usb stick?
[15:06] <julius_> bazhang: no
[15:06] <bazhang> julius_, what do you mean by 'webstick then
[15:06] <julius_> bazhang: its a umts modem
[15:06] <BluesKaj> ansii, be very careful , that doesn't look like it will work , you need a digital to analog converstor to make that work ...hdmi carry digital video audio signals , not analog
[15:07] <wolter> Can somebody help me fix this? "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".\nError: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual" I use an nVidia card with proprietary drivers and everything was working fine until today
[15:07] <julius_> bazhang: on the other hand i didnt know about wireless usb sticks :)
[15:07] <julius_> bazhang: have to reboot and test some things, be back later
[15:09] <Dominik-> Hi Guys, i have truolbes with squid 3.1.19 come with 12.04... is there a way to install "old" Squid package from 10.04 ?
[15:10] <fidel> Dominik-: you shouldnt try to use old packages - i guess troubleshooting and maybe reporting bugs should be the way to go
[15:10] <Dominik-> well i cant get ntlm pass through getting working... i spend alomost 5 hours... and now i need a working squid...
[15:10] <fidel> Dominik-: there is btw: #squid - maybe helpful as well
[15:11] <Dominik-> i idle in there... ... no help (answer) until now
[15:11] <fidel> k
[15:11] <Dominik-> so anyway to "downgrade" squid package?
[15:12] <blackshirt> Dominik-: that was not recommended to downgrade
[15:13] <Dominik-> well not recommended.. but i am "forced" to do it...
[15:13] <fidel> Dominik-: personaly i have never tried to do so - cant help here. have you considered checking if you can get 3.2 instead - ie. using a ppa orcompiling from source to see if the problem still exists?
[15:13] <hylian> I am about to switch over to Ubuntu 64 bit, and I was wondering if any of my backed up .deb files will be of any use, they all have the i386 mark to them...?
[15:14] <blackshirt> just try to download them and install dependencies
[15:14] <Onkeltem> Hi
[15:14] <Dominik-> what is "ppa" ?
[15:14] <blackshirt> Onkeltem: hi
[15:14] <fidel> and in addition: try to summarize the problem in detail so that other users maybe being knowledged more aroundsquid able to jump in and provide help?
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> hylian:theres a trick with dpkg i think to backup your installed packages
[15:14] <fidel> !ppa > Dominik-
[15:15] <fidel> Dominik-: just asking as i see that 12.04 offers squid 3.1 and the project page 3.2
[15:15] <hylian> lotuspsychje: already did that. I made my own script to do it. I need to know if my backed up packages will work for 64 bit, they are 32 bit packages.
[15:15] <Onkeltem> Can I check all the files on computer to verify if they were modified? I mean executables for example.
[15:15] <Dominik-> fidel, the problem is stated several times around the internet... didnt find a solution
[15:15] <MonkeyDust> hylian  this line backups your installed packages   dpkg --get-selections > packages
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> hylian:no 64bit got its own packages,
[15:16] <MonkeyDust> hylian  this line to recover them    sudo dpkg --set-selections < packages;sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade -y
[15:16] <hylian> MonkeyDust: um, I already know how to do that, and my post had nothing to do with asking how to back up packages. my post had to do with whether or not 32 bit packages will work at all with 64 bit ubuntu.
[15:17] <Winshing_Master> there is entry in the /etc/modules file "LP"; any clue what that is?
[15:17] <blackshirt> Winshing_Master: line printer, maybe ...
[15:17] <blackshirt> :D
[15:18] <Onkeltem> How to check signatures of all the files on a computer?
[15:18] <_DanN_> md5sum ?
[15:18] <Winshing_Master> blackshirt: whats a line printer? never seen 1
[15:18] <billc> lol
[15:19] <blackshirt> Onkeltem: md5sum or sha256sum
[15:19] <Onkeltem> blackshirt: I want to check all files with one command
[15:19] <Onkeltem> backslash: to be sure files were not modified
[15:20] <hylian> MonkeyDust: sorry man. i get a lot of people here though that don't actually read my question all the way through, and post to me something I have already known for eons. but, I need to learn more patience with people, so please forgive me.
[15:21] <blackshirt> Winshing_Master: maybe not a line printer :D sorry, lol .. that come from /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/char/lp.ko
[15:21] <Boondoklife> Onkeltem You have hashes of every file on your computer?
[15:21] <Onkeltem> Boondoklife: I don't know, I asking it
[15:21] <Boondoklife> no prob
[15:21] <Onkeltem> Boondoklife: can Ubuntu check itself?
[15:22] <Boondoklife> you have to have a existing signature to compare it to
[15:22] <Boondoklife> so doing an md5 of each file is pointless
[15:22] <Boondoklife> best thing to do would be to check the mtime of the files
[15:22] <Boondoklife> but that can be faked
[15:22] <Onkeltem> Boondoklife: I understand that, but I think there should be a way with apt/dpk
[15:22] <Onkeltem> Boondoklife: does they keep md5 of every file?
[15:23] <Onkeltem> do*
[15:23] <Boondoklife> No, they keep them for packages as a whole I believe
[15:23] <tsimpson> each package comes with md5sums of installed files
[15:23] <Boondoklife> there ya go Onkeltem :-)
[15:24] <jluc> hello
[15:24] <jluc> Is there any  tool that might be used to define keyboard shortcut for scribus actions ?
[15:24] <Onkeltem> tsimpson: yes, that is what I exptected. So how to perform this integrity check?
[15:25] <Boondoklife> Check here: http://kemovitra.blogspot.com/2010/07/checking-integrity-of-debianubuntu.html
[15:25] <ubuntuuser1> i just installed phpmyadmin.....the page for phpmyadmin opens after i type localhost/phpmyadmin......it then asks for the password but doesnt accept any...whats the problem?can anybody help??
[15:25] <tsimpson> Onkeltem: well you'd pass each list of sums to md5sum (from /), eg: "cd /; md5sum -c /var/lib/dpkg/info/bash.md5sums"
[15:26] <tsimpson> do that for all the *.md5sums you find, and see what pops up
[15:26] <Boondoklife> looks like it would be a long, painfull process
[15:26] <black_13> in the grub menu what partition does (hd0,1) reference to?
[15:26] <Boondoklife> the second one of the first drive
[15:27] <Onkeltem> Damnit, I think my Ubuntu is compromised :(
[15:27] <ubuntuuser1> Onkeltem: i just installed phpmyadmin.....the page for phpmyadmin opens after i type localhost/phpmyadmin......it then asks for the password but doesnt accept any...whats the problem?can u help??
[15:27] <Onkeltem> And I can't check is this true or not? :(
[15:27] <blackshirt> ubuntuuser1: you should remember what is the password.. or you can use user root of mysql and respective password
[15:27] <Boondoklife> then reinstall and use your backup that you made.
[15:28] <ubuntuuser1> blackshirt: i typed the password which i set but it doesnt accept any
[15:28] <Onkeltem> Boondoklife: last installation took 2 weeks
[15:28] <Onkeltem> Boondoklife: I have no time
[15:28] <Boondoklife> Well you have a baseline backup, no?
[15:28] <ubuntuuser1> blackshirt: i reinstalled phpmyadmin again and set new password and tried but the same problem
[15:28] <Boondoklife> If not I feel for ya man, call it a lesson learned
[15:29] <blackshirt> ubuntuuser1: what is the error appeared ? some wrong user name and  password ?
[15:29] <sinan> I am stuck in a loop in my login screen: whenever i provide my password i am taken back to the login screen. what can i do?
[15:29] <Onkeltem> Boondoklife: how can backup help if I don't know what to look for
[15:29] <k4r1m> anyone knows how to resole " wine1.5 : Depends: wine1.5-i386 (= 1.5.13-0ubuntu1)" when installing wine1.5?
[15:29] <Boondoklife> Onkeltem, a backup would allow you to backup your data and restore the OS
[15:29] <Onkeltem> Boondoklife: how would I know when mware was got into the system?
[15:29] <Boondoklife> Then you could put your data back in place
[15:30] <Boondoklife> Do it anytime something like that happens here via clonezilla and PXE
[15:31] <Onkeltem> Boondoklife: I had time yet to work out appropriate backup solution
[15:31] <Onkeltem> Boondoklife:  can you recommend one?
[15:31] <Boondoklife> Clonezilla is great
[15:31] <Onkeltem> Boondoklife: is it using some server on the Internet?
[15:31] <Boondoklife> make a baseline back of your OS, before you start putting data into it
[15:31] <ubuntuuser1> blackshirt: it says the control info u set are not correct......so i removed the package phpmyadmin......
[15:31] <Boondoklife> you can have it on a boot cd/usb or network boot via PXE
[15:32] <blackshirt> ubuntuuser1: i have phpmyadmin too ... i can login with mysql user (root) and the phpmyadmin user created when install
[15:32] <Boondoklife> it is very robust
[15:32] <Anomie21> I've moved my computer to a different desk and my taskbar is at a weird resolution, It's only letting me select from 2 resolution settings in appearance - any ideas? (was working fine before the move with the same comp/monitor) ?
[15:32] <blackshirt> ubuntuuser1: i think something bogus on your installation
[15:33] <michinao> hi
[15:33] <ubuntuuser1> blackshirt: i already removed the package.....now is there any better option to install again as per u know???
[15:34] <Onkeltem> Boondoklife: thanks. But currently I have no additional LAN servers/data storages :(
[15:35] <Boondoklife> Onke sounds like your setup needs some planning desperately.
[15:35] <Boondoklife> I would sit down and sketch up a reliable setup
[15:36] <estudiante> tyruihf
[15:36] <Boondoklife> For your issue at hand though, if you really feel you've been compromised then a reinstall is the only 100% sure way to get rid of it
[15:36] <estudiante> holaaa
[15:36] <estudiante>  habla en español
[15:36] <bazhang> !es | estudiante
[15:36] <estudiante> siiii
[15:36] <estudiante> hoola
[15:36] <bazhang> estudiante, english here
[15:37] <kriston1> Anyone ever get Remote Desktop to work without having to disable desktop composition?
[15:37] <ubuntuuser1> blackshirt: i installed it from software center again.......and it asks for username and password......is there any default username and password??
[15:37] <Sailor_Moon> Ikonia, are you here?
[15:37] <Sailor_Moon> Ikonia, if you see my message: thank you for you advise; the best text editor is setedit)
[15:38] <ubuntuuser1> blackshirt:  hey its the error "#2002 Cannot log in to the MySQL server"
[15:38] <Sailor_Moon> ping Ikonia
[15:38] <blackshirt> ubuntuuser1: thats the problem, check your mysql service was running or not ? you should ensure it
[15:39] <ubuntuuser1> blackshirt: how to check that?? im jst a beginner so dont hab much idea
[15:39] <Sailor_Moon> ping Sailor_Moon
[15:39] <Sailor_Moon> sorry; bye!
[15:40] <blackshirt> ubuntuuser1: pm me
[15:42] <discovered> hi
[15:42] <blackshirt> discovered: hi
[15:42] <Boondoklife> Hi discovered
[15:42] <dr_willis> moo
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> !cowsay:moo
[15:43] <rudolph_> ,dr_willis MOOOOO!
[15:43] <discovered> how can i right click on the Panel ? I am trying to add Luncher Icon on the panel .. ALT+Right-click does not work
[15:44] <ubuntuuser1> blackshirt: how to pm?
[15:44] <YokoBR> ubuntuuser1, type "kiss <username>"
[15:45] <ubuntuuser1> kiss blackshirt
[15:45] <blackshirt> YokoBR: :D
[15:45] <ubuntuuser1> lol
[15:45] <YokoBR> lol
[15:45]  * jrib admits he laughed
[15:45] <blackshirt> YokoBR: maybe kill blackshirt :D
[15:45] <dr_willis> super alt right click
[15:46] <ubuntuuser1> YokoBR: seriously how to send pm?
[15:47] <bazhang> ubuntuuser1, /msg nickname message
[15:47] <bazhang> ubuntuuser1, best to ask first
[15:47] <jrib> ubuntuuser1: note that it's a good idea to keep support discussion in the channel so everyone can help you as well as benefit
[15:47] <ubuntuuser1> bazhang: thanks
[15:48] <ubuntuuser1> jrib: hope so :)
[15:50] <Okan_> hey guys
[15:50] <Okan_> I need a help
[15:50] <bazhang> Okan_, with what
[15:50] <Okan_> about ubuntu 12.04
[15:51] <bazhang> Okan_, whats the issue
[15:51] <ougogo> Hello, how to install the driver "b43-fwcutter" on lubuntu, knowing that there is no internet connection? This is mostly due to dependencies that I do not know how.
[15:51] <Okan_> so I got 2 disks on my ultrabook
[15:51] <Okan_> 1 is hdd 1 is ssd
[15:51] <Okan_> my win7 is on hdd
[15:51] <bazhang> Okan_, all on ONE line
[15:52] <Okan_> I wanted to install ubuntu on ssd driver, I choosed Something Else created all partitions on ssd. When I reboot win7 started, I could not add ubuntu on bootloader
[15:52] <deffrag> How can I check if a particular command/process is run on/after every boot?
[15:52] <dr_willis> ougogo:  easy way it to just run a cable/plug in to lan for a few min. otherwise it may take a lot more work
[15:53] <dr_willis> Okan_:  you pur grub on thr mbr of the ssd?
[15:53] <Okan_> here is my Disks http://i48.tinypic.com/2dr6lj7.png
[15:53] <ougogo> dr_willis : i've no lan box, i'm on friend wifi
[15:53] <Okan_> I have no idea of that
[15:53] <auronandace> Okan_: change the boot oder of your disks in the bios
[15:53] <dr_willis> you  did set bios to boot the ssd hd?
[15:53] <Okan_> Maybe I am doing something wrong after I choose Something Else*
[15:53] <dr3mro> hello , is there a way to make dolphin (Qt) the default File manager in Ubuntu 12.04 ? will that give a stable system ?
[15:54] <francispereira> anyone has kdump working on Ubuntu 12.04 ? I have setup kdump-tools but dump kernel does not get loaded on manually triggering a crash
[15:54] <dr_willis> dr3mro:  i bet it would cause a lot of little  issues..
[15:54] <Boondoklife> deffrag, is it a compiled app or script? If it is a script add an echo "RAN" > /tmp/startup.checker to it
[15:54] <Okan_> Maybe I can change the boot the ssd. but then I wont load Win7 I guess?
[15:54] <Boondoklife> if it is a compiled app check and see if it has a logging option and turn it on
[15:54] <beboj> need heelp, wvdial dosen't detect my internal gsm modem..
[15:54] <dr_willis> Okan_:  grub has  a menu to boot either os
[15:54] <Boondoklife> that should tell you when it is started
[15:54] <ubuntuuser1> bazhang: when i open phpmyadmin....and type the username and password it says "#2002 Cannot log in to the MySQL server" how to solve the problem??
[15:55] <BluesKaj> dr3mro, kde desktop or unity/gnome ?
[15:55] <Boondoklife> deffrag, otherwise just use `ps -Al | grep "appname"` and see if it is listed
[15:55] <dr3mro> dr_willis, Thank you ! I will then Move to KDE as it has a more suitable to my needs file manager .. thank you !
[15:57] <rabbi1> can someone help me with permission for /var/www and its folders ?
[15:57] <rabbi1> owner should be root or me ? and group should be www-data ?
[15:58] <jrib> rabbi1: that's up to you
[15:58] <jrib> rabbi1: you probably want www-data to be able to read most of what's in there, everything else, is up to you and what works best for your circumstances
[15:58] <rabbi1> jrib: i am unable to create a folder/ edit inside /www ..... so 777 is ok ?
[15:58] <blackshirt> rabbi1: www-data
[15:59] <blackshirt> rabbi1: that was not recommended lol
[15:59] <jrib> rabbi1: 777 is usually not what you want.  How many users will be editing the files in /var/www/?
[15:59] <morsnowski> rabbi1, out of the box I see root and root
[15:59] <morsnowski> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 177 Jun 25 01:21 index.html
[16:00] <rabbi1> morsnowski: root root with rwx access and others will be www-data with 755 access ?
[16:00] <deffrag> Thanks Boondoklife
[16:00] <morsnowski> like said this is what i get out of the box
[16:01] <BEC> genii-around, could you please post again what to edit (.conf?) reg suggestions/recommendations? (i quit & lost the history)
[16:01] <rabbi1> morsnowski: that's out of box, but i can create a directory or file
[16:02] <blackshirt> rabbi1: thats a bad thing, sure
[16:03] <morsnowski> as long as you grant read to everyone you should be good
[16:04] <rabbi1> morsnowski: this is my development pc, i alone use it., so no probs
[16:05] <blackshirt> rabbi1: it is a bad habit,sure
[16:05] <Thisguy_> Hey, I can't figure IPtables out and all the tutorials I've found seem to be outdated. How can I firewall out everything except a specific port?
[16:05] <lotus> hey, I'm trying to add a printer that's on a samba network and I don't know where on the network it is.  The "Find Network Printer" tool doesn't seem to be detecting it either.  Any help?
[16:05] <rabbi1> so i think i can chmod 777 username .... ? but also i need www-data to add/ edit/ delete files
[16:05] <rabbi1> blackshirt: so, what's the best then ?
[16:05] <DeltaWhy> I installed cinnamon from this guide a few days ago: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ubuntu-cinnamon.html
[16:06] <DeltaWhy> today it crashed leaving me with no panel or wm, and when I restarted they still don't run
[16:06] <lotus>    
[16:06] <HaikuVbox> DeltaWhy: cinnamon isn't supported
[16:06] <lotus>  
[16:06] <DeltaWhy> anywhere I can go to get help with it then?
[16:06] <lotus>   ugh!
[16:07] <awole20> (it is gorgeous though)
[16:07] <Thisguy_> I need help allowing only specific ports on iptables and dropping everything else. Am I in the right channel?
[16:08] <feep_> hi
[16:08] <Thisguy_> Hello.
[16:09] <DeltaWhy> trying to start it from the command line I get "undefined symbol: meta_prefs_override_preferences_location"
[16:10] <feep_> you can use google..
[16:11] <Sidewinder1> !google > feep
[16:11] <feep_> Er..
[16:11] <Sidewinder1> Oops. :(
[16:11] <feep_> - -#
[16:11] <DeltaWhy> feep_, doesn't return any results
[16:12] <feep_> ok.i get it
[16:13] <feep_> you have a red name.
[16:13] <bzil> Hi, How can i join a french canal please ?
[16:14] <jrib> bzil: /join #ubuntu-fr
[16:14] <bzil> thanks
[16:14] <theadmin> Okay, I'm experiencing a weird issue. I'm on Precise. All the powermanagement checkboxes are unchecked, except laptop lid event handling... Now, the problem is this -- after literally *seconds* of idling, the screen turns off.
[16:14] <jrib> theadmin: output of "xset q"
[16:14] <Thisguy_> Lol, a french Canal :P
[16:15] <jrib> Thisguy_: take off shoes and jump in?
[16:15] <chamunks> is there a good way to convert /dev/video0 to something streaming?
[16:15] <theadmin> jrib: http://sprunge.us/aLUT
[16:15] <chamunks> I want to use my webcam with zoneminder and am wondering if there is a way to handle this in ubuntu.
[16:15] <Thisguy_> I need some help working with IPtables.
[16:16] <Thisguy_> Any takers?
[16:16] <jrib> theadmin: did you set those dpms times?  Those are in seconds
[16:16] <chamunks> I'm running 12.04 lts server i386
[16:16] <theadmin> jrib: I'm pretty sure I don't know what "DPMS" is, so probably not...
[16:16] <jrib> theadmin: the third line from the bottom in your paste
[16:17] <theadmin> jrib: Do see it -- um, so how do I fix it? System Settings -> Power Management of KDE is no help.
[16:17] <theadmin> jrib: To be precise (no pun intended): http://i.imgur.com/5rwi4.png
[16:18] <jrib> theadmin: I don't know where those settings are exposed in the gui (though I am sure they are somewhere).  You can set them with: xset dpms X Y Z    where X, Y, and Z are in seconds.  These settings will *not* persist after a reboot I think
[16:18] <jrib> theadmin: try changing them now to something like 600 (10 minutes) so we can make sure we are looking in the right place for your issue
[16:18] <theadmin> jrib: Making them persist is not an issue, I can just put it in start up apps... Can I disable this screen madness *completely*? I don't want my screen to go blank at all... except maybe on lid close
[16:19] <theadmin> jrib: Ok, I'll do that and wait a minute -- should I run that as root?
[16:19] <jrib> theadmin: I use "xset dpms 0 0 0".  There may also be a way to just disable dpms altogether, but I'd have to read the man page.  You should run it as your user (no sudo)
[16:21] <theadmin> jrib: Ok, that worked, now to put that in startup apps... Still wonder what the reason could've been
[16:21] <hellslinger> hello everyone, does anyone know how to get nautilus 3.5.90 installed on quantal? I installed the beta an updated it, but nautilus is still on 3.4.2
[16:21] <jrib> theadmin: you can drop it at the end of ~/.xprofile (MAYBE).  I don't remember if that still gets sourced
[16:21] <genii-around> BEC: I had to do some work, available for a few minutes now. The file you want to edit/create is /etc/apt/apt.conf  ... the relevant entry would be: APT::Install-Recommends "0";  If you additionally wanted you can put too: APT::Install-Suggests "0";
[16:22] <theadmin> jrib: System Settings -> Autostart, no need to go complex ways.
[16:22] <auronandace> !12.10 | hellslinger
[16:22] <jrib> theadmin: your definition of complex differs from mine ;)
[16:22] <trism> hellslinger: quantal support in #ubuntu+1, and nautilus was reverted to 3.4 for quantal because there isn't time to adapt to all the changes in 3.5 before the release
[16:22] <jrib> theadmin: but yes, your way should work too
[16:22] <theadmin> jrib: Well, with GUIs doing things the "traditional" way hardly works
[16:22] <hellslinger> trism: is there a way to get 3.5.90 installed through a PPA?
[16:22] <trism> hellslinger: take it to #ubuntu+1 and I'll check
[16:22] <hellslinger> roger that
[16:24] <PatrickC> did the "install alongside windows" option get removed from Ubuntu 12.04.1
[16:25] <PatrickC> ?
[16:25] <crizis> likely not? :P
[16:26] <PatrickC> i have the options: Replace Windows with Ubuntu or "Someting Else"
[16:26] <PatrickC> no more "Install ubuntu along side windows"
[16:26] <BEC> genii-around, thanks & have a good day :D
[16:26] <ar0nic> its under something else
[16:27] <PatrickC> ar0nic: do you happen to know what?
[16:27] <PatrickC> i want to keep my windows partition, but shrink it to like 60gb ;)
[16:28] <ripthejacker> network connections are not visible in network connections panel
[16:29] <ripthejacker> is this a bug?
[16:29] <ripthejacker> for the connections to show up i have to disable networking an enable  it again
[16:30] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, If you're going to shrink the NTFS partition, DEFRAGMENT it, at least twice, prior to any other manipulation.
[16:30] <PatrickC> Sidewinder1: never done that before when installing ubuntu, as there has always been an "Install alongside windows" option that i used
[16:31] <PatrickC> so should i defrag the HDD a few times before resizing it? and should i use gparted to resize it or a partition manager in windows?
[16:31] <PatrickC> never had to do it myself ;)
[16:33] <faz> hi ! i cant mount my iphone
[16:33] <BluesKaj> PatrickC, some say to defrag before resizing windows partitions , can't hurt
[16:33] <PatrickC> afaik iphones and ubuntu don't play nice.. but i might be wrong (havent done it in a while)
[16:33] <PatrickC> BluesKaj: kk.. should i use gparted from a live cd to resize or resize in windows?
[16:34] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, The drfrag is done from/within the win OS; you may wish to resize it (the NTFS partition) also, from within the win OS. I've never resized from within win, but have read many times that that is the preferred method.
[16:34] <PatrickC> hmm...
[16:34]  * PatrickC wishes the option was still there :P
[16:34] <faz> ooh i seee
[16:35] <BluesKaj> PatrickC, gparted is probly best ..I use thje live cd version myself'
[16:35] <PatrickC> BluesKaj: i have it booted from a Live CD right now
[16:35] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, Just stay as far from WUBI as you can; WADR to the developers. of course.
[16:35] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta go run some errands , BBL
[16:35] <PatrickC> WADR?
[16:35] <PatrickC> i used to use WUBI, it's a nice program.. if you want to TRY ubuntu
[16:35] <PatrickC> not run it full time
[16:35] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, With All Due Respect.
[16:36] <PatrickC> ah
[16:36] <PatrickC> WUBI is amazing for newbies to linux, who just want to try
[16:36] <Sidewinder1> Yes, to "Try", not as a long term situation.
[16:36] <PatrickC> really helped me out when i was new(er) to linux ;)
[16:36] <PatrickC> exactly
[16:36] <soulisson> Hi, if i install a deb package using dpkg, can i safely remove the deb file ?
[16:36] <MonkeyDust> soulisson  yes
[16:37] <PatrickC> soulisson: yes
[16:37] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, Here is a GREAT resource, if you've not already seen it: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index
[16:38] <soulisson> it wont cause problems if decide to remove the program after using dpkg -r ?
[16:38] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, It's written and maintained by an ubuntuforums.org, moderator.
[16:38] <PatrickC> Sidewinder1: their instructions to do windows and ubuntu... WUBI -___-
[16:38] <xenium> hi all
[16:38] <TheShrub> join vim
[16:38] <Thisguy_> Halp wif the iptables pl0x?
[16:38] <PatrickC> hey xenium
[16:39] <Thisguy_> I need to reject everything but things going over certain ports
[16:39] <Thisguy_> The rules look good but it won't work.
[16:39] <xenium> i had bad problems with my pc
[16:39] <ar0nic> you dontneed wubi
[16:40] <Thisguy_> I did -P INPUT DROP and added -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT but it doesn't let me browse the web, even non-https-compatible sites
[16:40] <ar0nic> just choose other options and install along side windows
[16:40] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, Yes, he is rather confusing regarding WUBI; you need to read his entire site to fully understand his rationale, but, I don't particularly agree with him; at least on that point.
[16:41] <PatrickC> he also used the server CD for installing heh
[16:41] <PatrickC> said it was the desktop CD
[16:41] <delinquentme> how to show all groups from the command line?
[16:41] <PatrickC> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/images/installingprecise07.jpg
[16:41] <PatrickC> why do i not see this....?!
[16:41] <PatrickC> lol
[16:42] <soee> any ida whats wrong here: Torchlight.bin.x86_64: 1: Torchlight.bin.x86_64: Syntax error: "(" unexpected ?
[16:42] <truexfan81> any plans of updating pulseaudio in 12.04? current stable is 2.1  12.04 has 1.1
[16:42] <ar0nic> PatrickC its there
[16:42] <PatrickC> ar0nic: i'm looking at the screen
[16:42] <ar0nic> boot into livecd then install
[16:42] <PatrickC> it's not
[16:42] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, That screenshot may be from a previous version of ubuntu.
[16:42] <ar0nic> what version
[16:42] <PatrickC> i'm booted into the live cd
[16:43] <PatrickC> ar0nic: 12.04.1
[16:43] <ar0nic> its the something else option
[16:43] <ar0nic> it should be in there
[16:43] <PatrickC> it's not
[16:43] <PatrickC> but it says "Windows 8" and i don't have Windows 8 installed
[16:43] <PatrickC> i have Windows 7
[16:43] <PatrickC> so i'm wondering what the heck this computer is thinking right now haha
[16:44] <truexfan81> probably one of those id10t errors
[16:44] <markus___> hey i am trying to debug a kernel issue, however I get a black screen just before anything usefull is displayed, is there any way to redirect kmsgs to ttyUSB0 after I have logged in?
[16:44] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, Are you familiar with http://ubuntuforums.org?
[16:44] <PatrickC> Sidewinder1: not really
[16:45] <charlar28> i have problems with audio with ubuntu 12.04, the dirty solution is kill pulseaudio and restart it, someone with the same problem?
[16:45] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, It, also is a fantastic resource; especially the 'search' function.
[16:46] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, But, obviously not as quick as here, on IRC..
[16:46] <PatrickC> yeah
[16:46] <PatrickC> i love IRC ;)
[16:47] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, I strongly suggest that you register {it's free} :-) there and avail yourself of all that it has to offer.
[16:47] <PatrickC> Sidewinder1: i'll register there.. and wait for my friend who is on the ubuntu dev team to return to his computer ;)
[16:47] <delinquentme> how do I check what users are in a group?
[16:48] <Sidewinder1> That's actually how I learned; well before I discovered this channel.
[16:49] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, There are some very nice/knowledgeable folks there; then there's me.. ;-)
[16:49] <PatrickC> i'm the same way lol
[16:49] <truexfan81> anyone else in here using the 12.04 minimal iso? i love it
[16:50] <PatrickC> i would.. but i like bloatware in my installs ;)
[16:50] <truexfan81> lol
[16:50] <SnapSnap> Anyone know if PlayOnLinux has a channel?
[16:51] <truexfan81> PatrickC: i switched from mint13 to 12.04 minimal, it feels like i got a cpu upgrade lol
[16:51] <PatrickC> lol
[16:51] <truexfan81> its so much faster without all the bloat
[16:51] <PatrickC> what cpu u have truexfan81?
[16:51] <truexfan81> athlon2 245
[16:51] <truexfan81> dual 2.9
[16:51] <PatrickC> how much RAM?
[16:52] <truexfan81> mobo is maxed out at 4GB
[16:52] <PatrickC> nice
[16:52] <PatrickC> i normally use a full desktop ISO
[16:52] <PatrickC> might go server and build it up with a WM
[16:52] <PatrickC> thinking of doing that right now actually.... heh
[16:52] <truexfan81> with 12.04 minimal it only uses more than a gig of ram when i have firefox running
[16:53] <truexfan81> when i kill firefox it goes down to around 700MB of ram used lol
[16:53] <truexfan81> i have conky running thats how i know that
[16:53] <PatrickC> if i'm wanting to do a fully custom install, should i do a server install and then build off of that or a minimal install?
[16:54] <Sidewinder1> PatrickC, As you're probably aware, server is CLI; has no desktop/GUI, unless you add one..
[16:54] <truexfan81> depends on what you want to use it for
[16:54] <truexfan81> Sidewinder1: i did the minimal install and chose not to install a de
[16:54] <PatrickC> Sidewinder1: i would install something like cinnamon
[16:54] <truexfan81> then later from the cli i installed xorg and mate 1.4
[16:54] <PatrickC> and truexfan81, building Android and other open source distros ;)
[16:54] <Sidewinder1> Kewl.
[16:54] <truexfan81> oh nice
[16:55] <PatrickC> but you can install a WM inside of server?
[16:55] <truexfan81> PatrickC: how would Android run on a pc? i mean how well
[16:55] <Sidewinder1> bbiab
[16:55] <PatrickC> truexfan81: that i coulnd't answer
[16:55] <PatrickC> truexfan81: i'm on an android ROM team
[16:55] <PatrickC> and i also do some open webOS stuff
[16:56] <truexfan81> PatrickC: i'm sure you probably could install a de, but you would have probably have to install xorg as its likely not installed
[16:56] <truexfan81> on the server iso*
[16:56] <PatrickC> it would be worth it
[16:56] <PatrickC> it would run so much faster ;)
[16:56] <truexfan81> faster than the route i took?
[16:57] <PatrickC> not sure
[16:57] <PatrickC> but faster then a full desktop
[16:57] <truexfan81> oh i also built and installed pulseaudio 2.1 on it
[16:57] <PatrickC> and the server is still a 700MB download.... :S
[16:57] <truexfan81> 12.04 comes with pulseaudio 1.1
[16:58] <PatrickC> link to the minimal download truexfan81?
[16:58] <truexfan81> one sec
[16:58] <truexfan81> 64bit or 32?
[16:58] <PatrickC> thx
[16:58] <PatrickC> 64
[16:58] <truexfan81> same as me lol
[16:58] <PatrickC> LOL
[16:58] <PatrickC> lol*
[16:58] <truexfan81> its only a 30MB file
[16:58] <PatrickC> but i'll have to run a 32 as well :S
[16:58] <truexfan81> 32bit iso is 25MB
[16:59] <PatrickC> holy crap
[16:59] <PatrickC> the server iso is 657MB
[16:59] <TJ-> PatrickC: You can run a 32-bit userspace on a 64-bit kernel.
[16:59] <truexfan81> yeah thats the full server iso
[16:59] <PatrickC> TJ-: really?
[16:59] <PatrickC> TJ-: some of the things i build require 32 bit
[16:59] <truexfan81> PatrickC: the minimal iso is a netinstall thats why its so small
[16:59] <PatrickC> truexfan81: gotcha
[17:00] <TJ-> PatrickC: Of course. The interfaces are the same. I have that on my USB sticks.  I install the 32-bit minimal to a stick, then manually add the 64-bit kernels. That allows me to boot the stick with full hardware support no matter what the device is
[17:00] <truexfan81> you want the 12.04 LTS?
[17:00] <PatrickC> truexfan81: yep
[17:00] <truexfan81> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[17:00] <PatrickC> TJ-: instructions on that somewhere?
[17:00] <TJ-> PatrickC: 32-bit is best for 2GB or less; 64-bit will show benefits for 4GB+
[17:01] <PatrickC> TJ-: it has 3GB
[17:01] <charlar28> one question
[17:01] <TJ-> PatrickC: Not really needed. Install the 32-bit as you normally would. Once done, install the 64-bit kernel images too, using "sudo apt-get install linux-image:amd64 linux-headers:amd64"
[17:02] <PatrickC> TJ-: awesome, thanks
[17:02] <truexfan81> well in that case
[17:02] <truexfan81> 32bit: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[17:02] <PatrickC> lol thanks truexfan81
[17:02] <truexfan81> np
[17:02] <TJ-> PatrickC: The only thing not to be caught out by is that GRUB doesn't name the boot entries as 32/64 bit so make sure you know which one is which  - or manually change the grub.cfg menu entries and/or edit the scripts in /etc/grub.d/ to do that
[17:03] <charlar28> if i have installed a 32bits ubuntu and i have 8gb ram, the program userspace is 4gb but the system will use the 8gb if 2 processes uses 4 gb?
[17:03] <TJ-> charlar28: correct... on 32bit PAE the kernel can address all memory, but each process is limited to 4GB
[17:03] <PatrickC> TJ-: so in essence it installs both 32 and 64 bit versions?
[17:03] <charlar28> thanks TJ
[17:03] <PatrickC> and just boots the different kernels?
[17:03] <TJ-> PatrickC: No - you're not installed a 64-bit userspace, just the kernels
[17:04] <DLabz> hi, all.. our entire network crashed as software we use pushed update that requires new Air... I know Air is not officially supported, but ... is there unofficial way of installing new Air?
[17:05] <TJ-> PatrickC: for most modern Intel-based CPUs, they support long-mode (64-bit) as well as 32-bit, so a 64-bit kernel is OK. For CPUs that don't support long-mode, a 32-bit kernel is required. Ubuntu ships with a PAE 32-bit kernel by default now, which can address more than 4GB of RAM, but each process is still limited to a 32-bit address space (4GB)
[17:06] <PatrickC> TJ-: i know my computr can handle the 64bit, ran it for a while
[17:06] <PatrickC> but some things i build require 32 bit to build
[17:07] <PatrickC> so would i be better off going your route or just running a VM?
[17:07] <delinquentme> if I want to put the password to a user name login ... inline with the ssh command ... how do I do this?
[17:07] <OerHeks> PatrickC, since 11.10 ubuntu is multi arch
[17:07] <Guest21031> Hi, I'm running Linux Mint maya (3.2.0-23-generic). When I run lsmod I can see my wireless driver (ath9k,ath9k_common,ath9k_hw). However when I run hostapd I get the following error: invalid/unknown driver 'ath9k'. Can anyone help?
[17:08] <PatrickC> OerHeks: cool.. that still doesn't help the building issue ;)
[17:08] <OerHeks> Guest21031 some can help in the mint irc
[17:08] <genii-around> !mint
[17:08] <TJ-> PatrickC: 32-bit user-space means less memory taken up by programs in many cases, since pointers and other CPU structures are only 4-bytes wide, not 8 bytes as they are on a 64-bit CPU. The advantage of a 64-bit CPU is, it has more general purpose registers so many functions can load their parameters into registers without needing intermediate reading/writing to (slow) RAM, thus making programs faster. That's why we say there's a trade-off and the cut-off point is aro
[17:08] <TJ-> und 2 or 3GB
[17:09] <PatrickC> gotcha.. i think i'll got with 64 then
[17:10] <TJ-> PatrickC: as OerHeks said, Debian and Ubuntu are now multiarch. That means that 64-bit and 32-bit libraries can be installed alongside each other. No longer do we have the pain of the old ia32libs issues
[17:10] <truexfan81> PatrickC: if you take my route and not install a de, i found the easiest way to install xorg
[17:11] <PatrickC> truexfan81: when you say "DE" what do you mean?
[17:11] <PatrickC> never heard that term before
[17:11] <truexfan81> desktop environment
[17:11] <truexfan81> kde, xfce, mate, cinnamon, etc
[17:11] <TJ-> Always back-up your back-ups. DVD data recovery status: elapsed time 8 hours; estimated remaining 21 hours
[17:11] <PatrickC> ah, i always called them WM (window manager)
[17:11] <OerHeks> TJ-, i find building 32 bit apps on 64 bit quite hard to do
[17:12] <truexfan81> but yeah if you take the route i did and not pick one in the installer, it will not install xorg
[17:12] <TJ-> OerHeks: Yeah, there are some issues until all the libraries are sorted out. I've hit a few issues with overlapping -dev packages
[17:12] <truexfan81> the easy way i found to install that later is sudo apt-get install xinit
[17:13] <PatrickC> gotcha
[17:13] <PatrickC> downloading the 64 bit then burning it to a DVD in a few miuntes
[17:13] <PatrickC> stupid slow internet haha
[17:13] <TJ-> PatrickC: there's a difference between a DE and a WM:  http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/09/get-to-know-linux-desktop-environment-vs-window-manager/
[17:13] <truexfan81> if you internet is slow you are going to hate the installer
[17:13] <PatrickC> oh no
[17:13] <PatrickC> lol
[17:13] <truexfan81> lots of data to be downloaded
[17:13] <PatrickC> i have about 3MBP/s
[17:14] <charlar28> bits or bytes?
[17:14] <TJ-> It has to be downloaded one way or the other... better to use the minimal installer and only fetch the packages you want, than to download the server/live installer which contains packages you don't want
[17:15] <truexfan81> mine is 22megabits, but i've seen torrents hit 3.4megabytes/second
[17:15] <PatrickC> TJ-: exactly.. that's why i want the minimal installer/server
[17:15] <captine> PatrickC, i can dream of getting that speed.
[17:15] <PatrickC> captine: what you on?
[17:15]  * TJ- laughs. This is beginning to sound like a Monty Python sketch
[17:16] <PatrickC> what WM/DE do you guys use? truexfan81
[17:16] <bekks> !poll | PatrickC
[17:16] <captine> 6MB, but in the Philippines.  Lucky to ever get close to 1MB/s
[17:16] <truexfan81> i use Mate 1.4 and its window manager Marco
[17:17] <PatrickC> bekks: i understand there is no single "best" app... just getting opinions
[17:17] <PatrickC> i've used several different WM's, mainly cinnamon is my favorite.. just wondering what others are using hehe
[17:17] <PatrickC> heh*
[17:17] <jenia> hello everyone.
[17:17] <jenia> i installed the ftp server
[17:17] <truexfan81> PatrickC: mate, cinnamon are sadly not options in the installer
[17:18] <PatrickC> truexfan81: that's fine.. i can install it from cmd line
[17:18] <jenia> and there's a line there to allow anonymous connection
[17:18] <truexfan81> after it booted into cli i added the mate ppa and installed it that way, there was one package i had to install before it would let me add the ppa
[17:18] <zetheroo> is there any way to have Nautilus File Manager open with the dual pane mode already enabled? It's such an absolute pain having to re-enable it every time I open it!
[17:18] <jenia> i dont think that that's what i need
[17:19] <jenia> i would like to to be like in ssh
[17:19] <truexfan81> PatrickC: one sec i'll look in my logs and see what the package was, it was python-something
[17:19] <jenia> where i do ssh jenia@some_ip
[17:19] <jenia> password*
[17:19] <jenia> is there a way to achieve that?
[17:19] <captine> PatrickC, have you used Unity much?  I am really enjoying it.  Seen lots of different views, but it works really well for me as a casual user
[17:20] <PatrickC> i hate unity
[17:20] <odinsbane> I have a new computer and ubuntu does not recognize the internet cable. it works fine from windows so the connection should work.
[17:20] <charlar28> jenia, on server sudo apt-get install ssh or sshd dont remember
[17:20] <jenia> okay
[17:20] <jenia> and then?
[17:20] <CTLwm> unity sucks
[17:21] <odinsbane> I
[17:21] <charlar28> jenia, from a client ssh jenia@someip -> user the jenia's password on server
[17:21] <charlar28> use*
[17:21] <truexfan81> PatrickC: to install mate from cli you will first need to install python-software-properties
[17:21] <odinsbane> I've never had the wired connection not work, so I'm not sure where to begin.
[17:21] <dr_willis_> unity works very well here and is geting some neat features in 12.10
[17:21] <jenia> (i want to install an ftp server, and to login into it as myself.:jenia)
[17:21] <PatrickC> i think i'm going to go with XFCE actually
[17:21] <CTLwm> try MATE
[17:21] <truexfan81> ok that will be much easier then
[17:21] <CTLwm> its like the old gnome shell
[17:21] <jenia> charlar28, i want to install an ftp server. but its configured to connect with anonymous clients
[17:21] <PatrickC> i love gnome shell
[17:21] <dr_willis_> mate and cinimon are not supported here.
[17:21] <PatrickC> i think i might install MATE then :)
[17:21] <truexfan81> CTLwm: no its like gnome2
[17:22] <jenia> charlar28, whereas i would like to connect to it as myself: jenia
[17:22] <CTLwm> jenia: why do you want install DE on ftp server?
[17:22] <llutz> jenia: you want to read the documentation of the ftp-server you installed, mainly the configuration-options
[17:22] <truexfan81> PatrickC: did you like gnome2?
[17:22] <charlar28> jenia, then you should read the documentation to enable local user authentication
[17:22] <jenia> what a DE?
[17:22] <PatrickC> i love gnome 2
[17:22] <truexfan81> thats what mate is
[17:22] <PatrickC> truexfan81: no kidding...
[17:22] <CTLwm> truexfan18: i meant gnome shell in general nothing particular; i.e. gnome 3 or gnome 2....
[17:22] <charlar28> jenia, probably reading the config file of ftp you can find what you need
[17:23] <CTLwm> and yes the old gnome shell is the gnome 2 or previous versions
[17:23] <jenia> okay thanks
[17:23] <truexfan81> PatrickC: when gnome dropped gnome2 mate project picked it up
[17:23] <PatrickC> nice!
[17:23] <dr_willis_> gnome2 is/was lacking in many ways.. but its basically dead now. ;)
[17:23] <PatrickC> meh.. still the best UI ever ;)
[17:23] <PatrickC> i HATE Unity with a passion
[17:23] <PatrickC> my friends who work for Canoical try to get my to use Unity... i told them no :P
[17:24] <dr_willis_> gnome2 was devinatly not the best...
[17:24] <truexfan81> PatrickC: in mate nautilus is now Caja, gedit is now pluma
[17:24] <PatrickC> i use sublime for text editing anyway...
[17:24] <Pici> Can we please move the non-support discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic so that the folks who really need support here can get it?
[17:24] <truexfan81> metacity is Marco
[17:24] <Pici> !offtopic
[17:24] <PatrickC> sorry Pici
[17:24] <truexfan81> PatrickC: lets move over to the offtopic channel as they ask
[17:25] <odinsbane> How can I find which ethernet card I have?
[17:25] <charlar28> odinsbane lspci
[17:25] <genii-around> odinsbane: lspci -nn | grep Network
[17:25] <PatrickC> now heres a support question... :P just burned the minimalistic iso to a CD, and it won't boot...
[17:26] <genii-around> odinsbane: The -nn part here will give you the vendor:device code which can be very useful to look up
[17:26] <PatrickC> brb
[17:27] <odinsbane> hmm it is atheros it seems that it should be in the kernel.
[17:27] <charlar28> error code, or blank screen PatrickC?
[17:28] <delinquentme> does a ssh key contain information about a user or just a machine?
[17:29] <delinquentme> like if server A's shared ssh key is placed on server B  ... any user on A can get into B?
[17:29] <uget> hello all, i have plan to upgrade my ubuntu without doing fresh install mainly because i want to experience an upgrade from CD. how can i do it?
[17:29] <awole20> delinquentme: as in, anyone can get at/load the ssh key?
[17:30] <jrib> delinquentme: any user with the private key corresponding to that public key
[17:30] <awole20> delinquentme: anyone who has access to the key can log into authorized servers
[17:33] <Ihsan008> Hello, I need professional help to configure my Ubuntu installation. Well, I tried to install Ubuntu several times, becuase I was trying to get my (second) video card (nvidia) running, but without succes I was messing up so I must reinstall Ubuntu again... My notebook is a Asus K52Jc, it has an Intel vcard and a nvidia card (GeForce 310M), I never got the nvidia driver installed correct. When i start nvidia-config (or something) it said that i
[17:34] <delinquentme> awole20, jrib for the multiple users who are sudo on server A ... they all have access to B
[17:34] <TommehM> I am getting this error when compiling flightgear, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1217173/
[17:34] <jrib> delinquentme: anyone with the private key can access the account on the remote server that you've placed the public key in
[17:35] <odinsbane> linuxine sucks
[17:35] <delinquentme> jrib, how do I know what users have access to a particular private key?
[17:35] <hylian> i am looking for a program that will let me launch a menu app from openbox. the same menu as alacarte. I have been using xfce4-panel, but I was wondering if there was something a little simpler? I just need to run it from time to time, not always.
[17:35] <TommehM> odinsbane, Linuxine?
[17:35] <delinquentme> do all sudo have access to all private keys?
[17:36] <awole20> delinquentme: generally ssh key security depend on user access controls - so sudoers would technically be able to access everyone's keys
[17:36] <captine> Ihsan008, i am no expert, but my laptop has intel and nvidia GT540.  the intel works out the box, but i use bumblebee to activate the Nvidia card
[17:36] <delinquentme> awole20, ok check thanks
[17:36] <delinquentme> one more... Also does ubuntu have a specified dir within /usr   that would be advisable for storing data about a server running on that machine?
[17:36] <odinsbane> Some website that comes up with searches for linux problems. TommehM
[17:37] <jrib> delinquentme: data like?
[17:37] <awole20> though, to be fair, password encryption may make it 'hard' for sudoers to use the keyfile, it's not impossible to be cracked.
[17:37] <Ihsan008> Hmm, okay, I think I must do the same as you do captine. Could you please exaplin me or give tips on how to use bumblebee and what it actualy does, since im quite new into this. I would really appreciate :)
[17:37] <delinquentme> im serving up files located in /usr/local/*
[17:37] <delinquentme> config data for that rails application
[17:37] <dr_willis_> !optimus
[17:37] <delinquentme> but its config data unique to that machine ... so its not in the repo that everyone has
[17:37] <dr_willis_> !bumblebee
[17:38] <delinquentme> dr_willis, !tinkywinky
[17:38] <captine> Ihsan008, i am very new to this too, but basically, my understadning is bumblebee is a work around for nvidia optimus laptops, as linux doesnt currently have support in the kernel/nvidia drivers
[17:38] <TommehM> odinsbane, Link?
[17:38] <hylian> dr_willis_: I don't think ubottu is very knowledgeable about the Transformers universe. LOL. :)
[17:38] <dr_willis_> the askubuntu.com site and ubuntu wiki pages have some info on those
[17:39] <SomeoneWeird> there was a tool I found a while back that downloads literally the base essentials for debian/ubuntu, anyone know the name of it?
[17:39] <TJ-> delinquentme: Yes, the /usr/local/ directories are the place... it sounds like the kind of thing you'd put in /usr/local/etc/<appname>/
[17:39] <Ihsan008> Okay, thank you :) Im so happy now I got a solution for this. Uhm could you please provide me a source (link) to the site where yo udownloaded or got info about bumblebee and about how to use? You made my day captine, really :P
[17:39] <jrib> SomeoneWeird: define "base essentials"
[17:39] <dr_willis_> SomeoneWeird:  debootstrap
[17:39] <TJ-> SomeoneWeird: debootstrap
[17:39] <zetheroo> I cannot believe a basic function of a file manager such as dual pane by default is still not implemented in Nautilus!
[17:39] <hylian> SomeoneWeird: you wheren't thinking of suckless-tools, where you?
[17:39] <dr_willis_> the askubuntu.com site and ubuntu wiki pages have some info on  bu,mblebee
[17:39] <odinsbane> TommehM: http://www.linuxine.com/story/ubuntu-wired-connection-not-working-0
[17:39] <delinquentme> TJ-, thanks
[17:39] <captine> Ihsan008, I had followed the instructions here:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
[17:39] <TommehM> odinsbane, Okay.
[17:40] <c_nick> if i have to pay someone via paypal what should i ask that guy to provide me ?
[17:40] <SomeoneWeird> nah hylian, this downloaded the actual files for the os
[17:40] <jrib> !ot | c_nick
[17:40] <c_nick> ok thanks
[17:40] <TommehM> odinsbane, I got the answer to that when reading it. :p
[17:40] <Ihsan008> Oh, official thread, nice :). So do you always use optirun <application> to run with nvidia or is it possible to just use nvidia card only? This was my alst question :)
[17:41] <Ihsan008> Oh, and what is the best to use Ubuntu 32bit or 64bit (without dual boot)
[17:41] <TommehM> Just by reading the last part where he states it refuses to get an IP, I would have just done dhclient eth0 :p
[17:41] <dr_willis_> i use64bit on all 64bit hardware
[17:41] <hylian> Ihsan008: what is an alst question? ;)
[17:41] <PatrickC> installing ubuntu minimalistic, says "missing firmware brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw"
[17:41] <Ihsan008> last*, sorry :$
[17:42] <hylian> Ihsan008: i was just teasing a little. I am notorius for typo-ing. :)
[17:42] <Ihsan008> Haha I see ;)
[17:44] <captine> Ihsan008, once installed, you need to use the command "optirun" and then the application you are opening, to activate the nvidia card.  after some searching, found an application called "Main Menu" which lets you edit the launchers in ubuntu. you can add "optirun" to the  "command" option
[17:44] <TJ-> zetheroo: There may be a setting you can find using 'gsettings'
[17:45] <zetheroo> TJ-: man, I wish :P
[17:47] <Ihsan008> Okay, well, I got all the info I was looking for, for now. I'm really happy with the IRC and (professional) help! Thank you, I'm gonna install Ubuntu now! :) Bye
[17:47] <PatrickC> have fun Ihsan008!
[17:48] <Thisguy_> I set up iptables to block everything after it accepts on port 80, but it just blocks everything. I tried -P DROP, and also tried -A -j DROP for INPUT, ofc not the same time. Neither worked... -j DROP WAS on the end btw.
[17:49] <Thisguy_> Tried those with -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT
[17:49] <escott> Thisguy_, i think you should be doing the reverse. drop everything then accept 80
[17:49] <Thisguy_> Will do
[17:49] <Thisguy_> So I don't disconnect, what's the IRC port again? 6667 destination?
[17:49] <penreturns> 6665 6666 6667
[17:50] <Thisguy_> 6665:6667 ;) ty
[17:50] <ironhalik> Ok, wth - I suddenly lost my sound after reboot
[17:50] <odinsbane> any luck with multitouch touchpads?
[17:51] <zetheroo> TJ-: is there a GUI for gsettings?
[17:51] <escott> zetheroo, gconf-editor or dconf-editor
[17:51] <TJ-> zetheroo: I was wondering that :p
[17:52] <zetheroo> ok ;)
[17:52] <Thisguy_> Test
[17:52] <Thisguy_> Ping
[17:53] <Thisguy_> Seems to have gone back to dropping everything.
[17:53] <escott> Thisguy_, what does your rule look like
[17:54] <Thisguy_> Pastie?
[17:54] <Thisguy_> Brb
[17:54] <escott> !paste | Thisguy_
[17:54] <Thisguy_> This'll d/c me ;)
[17:55] <TJ-> zetheroo: I've just gone through the Nautilus source-code; there's no setting for that
[17:56] <zetheroo> TJ-: it's a real shame that!
[17:56] <TJ-> zetheroo: I think it's a pretty silly oversight really
[17:56] <Thisguy_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1217231/
[17:56] <zetheroo> TJ-: from what I have read it's no oversight
[17:56] <TJ-> Thisguy_: what's the pastebin ?
[17:56] <zetheroo> TJ-: seems more like the Gnome guys purposely removed the feature
[17:57] <Thisguy_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1217231/
[17:57] <TJ-> zetheroo: I respectfully claim the 5th amendment, on the grounds that my comments may tend to incriminate me :p
[17:57] <zetheroo> TJ-: hehe ... you lost me ;)
[17:57] <uget> people here seems to be don't like responding a newbie question. i have been waiting for minutes to get answer, but no response. some other time, i will come back with "professional" and "smart" questions. Thank you.
[17:58] <trism> zetheroo: I wouldn't get too attached to it anyway, the feature was removed in 3.5
[17:58] <dr_willis_> uget or they are busy
[17:58] <Thisguy_> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1217231/
[17:58] <zetheroo> trism: I find it ludicrous that the option of remembering the dual pane mode was completely removed!
[17:59] <TJ-> Thisguy_: why are repeatedly pasting a link to a pastebin? How about asking a question!?
[17:59] <Thisguy_> OH. You mean what's it of. Sorry. It's my firewall rules as requested by escott...
[17:59] <trism> zetheroo: no, I mean dual pane was removed (so I suppose no option too)
[17:59] <TJ-> Thisguy_: Is it causing you problems?
[18:00] <Thisguy_> I wanted help, since whether DROP all is in back or front it seems to take precedence. I can't set my firewall up.
[18:00] <zetheroo> trism: so dual pane is completely removed in 3.5?
[18:00] <Thisguy_> Of course, it's not on that RIGHT now.
[18:00] <Thisguy_> Flushed INPUT.
[18:00] <escott> Thisguy_, what is "dpt"
[18:00] <TJ-> Thisguy_: OK, well to begin with, yes, it ought to be the LAST rule else the other rules won't be processed
[18:00] <trism> zetheroo: yep
[18:00] <TJ-> escott: Destination Port
[18:00] <Thisguy_> How come they refused to process when they were first?
[18:01] <zetheroo> trism: gosh, what are they doing!? Maybe Canonical will have to come up with their own file manager
[18:01] <trism> zetheroo: yeah there is quite the discussion about it on the unity-design and ubuntu-desktop mailing lists
[18:01] <Thisguy_> ...perhaps INPUT and --dport aren't made to work together?
[18:01] <TJ-> Thisguy_: You are running a local HTTP and IRC server?
[18:01] <Thisguy_> Nope.
[18:01] <trism> zetheroo: offtopic here though
[18:01] <Thisguy_> Wrong interface?
[18:01] <deffrag> What should be the command when you encounter a huge man page and you have to fetch from command line a particular option/flag description? Like, from man x11vnc -nevershared flag
[18:01] <Basilic> hello all, I have do a big mistake, I launch "apt-get remove python", and most program was remove, can I reinstall all default program?
[18:02] <TJ-> deffrag: Pipe it through "less" ... as in man <somepage> | less
[18:03] <llutz> Thisguy_: you're running neither http nor irc server, so what sense does your Chain "INPUT" make?
[18:03] <TJ-> deffrag: Or do you mean 'search' the page? in that case, when 'man' has started, press "/" and type a regular-expression to search for. Press Enter to search. Press "n" for 'next' match. Use "?" to search backwards.
[18:03] <xangua> Basilic: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ; should reinstall all default programs...what were you even trying to do that you even ignored the warning that a lot or packages were hoing to be removed :P
[18:03] <mbeierl> uget: you use the alternate CD, not the live CD.  Then follow the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades#Upgrading_Using_the_Alternate_CD.2BAC8-DVD
[18:03] <TJ-> Thisguy_: Your rules are on the INPUT chain; that is packets coming into an interface from an external connection.
[18:03] <Pici> TJ-: man uses your $PAGER, which is less by default.
[18:04] <Thisguy_> How about I put what i want in words XD I want to block all input except what I need to go on the web.
[18:04] <rjune> I'm trying to preseed an Ubuntu installation I have "d-i tasksel/first multiselect standard, edubuntu-desktop" But the installation is not installing the edubuntu-desktop
[18:04] <TJ-> Pici: I know, but I misread the implication of the question initially and thought the problem was the man page output scrolling past too fast
[18:04] <Pici> TJ-: ah
[18:05] <llutz> Thisguy_: you don't need to allow  anything in INPUT to access irc/web
[18:05] <Thisguy_> When I tell INPUT to drop everything, I cannot use either.
[18:05] <deffrag> TJ-: No, plain command to fetch particular flag description
[18:05] <deffrag> I remember reading it somewhere, it was probably using awk or something, not able to remember
[18:05] <TJ-> deffrag: I'm not aware there is one, that's why man uses a pager that has regexp search abilities
[18:06] <Thisguy_> Again, perhaps I'm accidentally telling it not to accept loopback input?
[18:06] <TJ-> deffrag: You could use grep -A x -B y .... of course
[18:06] <mbeierl> Thisguy_, you need to allow estisting connections to be accepted in input.  This must come before the drop: iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED, ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[18:06] <TJ-> Thisguy_: What you want is a rule to allow existing ESTABLISHED, RELATED connections
[18:07] <deffrag> TJ-: Yes, what is $PAGER in man?
[18:07] <Thisguy_> Oooohhhhhh, that makes sense.
[18:07]  * TJ- laughs... like that ^^^^^^^^^^
[18:07] <Thisguy_> XD
[18:07]  * mbeierl nods
[18:07] <llutz> Thisguy_: http://gr8idea.info/os/tutorials/security/iptables1.html
[18:07]  * TJ- pats mbeierl  on the back ... saved me some typing!
[18:07] <Thisguy_> No spaces though...
[18:07] <Thisguy_> ;)
[18:07]  * mbeierl smiles gratefully
[18:08] <Thisguy_> Hah! I'm still Internetting!
[18:08] <Thisguy_> Thanks y'all!
[18:08] <trijntje> After an update, windows is missing from the grub menu. What can I do to fix this?
[18:08] <TJ-> I guess the guy on a connection from FW1 ought to know that off the top of his head :p
[18:08] <Thisguy_> *saves iptables*
[18:08] <mbeierl> Thisguy_, team effort.  You win!
[18:12] <Thisguy_> Let's restart to see if I fixed it to start automatically :D
[18:12] <Thisguy_> Thanks again
[18:17] <hashem> I'm trying to update to shotwell 13. I added the ppa:yorba/ppa, and ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, but nothing happened and I still have 12.3. I
[18:18] <Cong> maybe it's not in the repo, hasham.
[18:19] <machicola> off a typical ubuntu install (running 11.10) would I have kernel headers installed/available by default?
[18:19] <machicola> off of*
[18:19] <hashem> Cong, it lists it on launchpad though: https://launchpad.net/~yorba/+archive/ppa
[18:19] <Cong> hasham, have you checked the repoes?
[18:20] <hashem> Cong, how do I do that?
[18:20] <Cong> try package.ubuntu.com
[18:20] <Cong> http://package.ubuntu.com
[18:20] <dr_willis_> machicola:  i dont think so
[18:21] <dr_willis_> !headers
[18:23] <machicola> nice, thanks dr_willis
[18:23] <hashem> Cong, in the packages.ubuntu.com in the precise updates repo there is shotwell 12.3. I added the ppa for yorba, which has shotwell 13. Shouldn't that override the precise updates repo?
[18:24] <Cong> I think. Download the source and compile it yourself.
[18:24] <TJ-> hashem: "apt-cache policy shotwell" will tell you what versions will/are installed, and where they'll come from
[18:25] <ActionParsnip> hashem: yes, if there is a later version available from any source, it will be used
[18:25] <xangua> hashem: you should read the site you paste:
[18:26] <xangua>  shotwell                        18 hours             ago
[18:26] <xangua>           Waiting to build
[18:26] <miraj> yes, not having been built yet might be a problem
[18:26] <hashem> Ah thanks xangua. I assumed if it was listed on that page it was already built.
[18:27] <hashem> Thanks for the help, all.
[18:27] <Guest56675> Hey guys!
[18:27] <miraj> what's a "Max SendQ"?
[18:27] <Bossdos> New user with ubuntu!
[18:28] <Bossdos> Can some help me, i moved from mint to ubuntu, installed side by side with windows
[18:28] <Bossdos> had 120 GB with mint so chose 10 GB with ubuntu thinking i could just use my mint drives
[18:28] <Bossdos> i cant find it
[18:29] <Bossdos> downloaded a partion program
[18:29] <Bossdos> what file system does ubuntu use?
[18:29] <escott> Bossdos, you want to use the mint $HOME?
[18:29] <Bossdos> Hi escott!
[18:29] <miraj> Boosdos : what filesystem were you using with Mint?
[18:29] <Bossdos> I just deleted everything
[18:29] <xibalba> hey folks, anyone have a way i can tell how many GHZ I'm actually getting inside of a linux box that's a virtual machine"?
[18:29] <Bossdos> just want the space for programming and file storage 10GB isnt enough
[18:30] <Bossdos> Hi miraj, i was using ext2
[18:30] <miraj> Bossdos : how did you "delete everything"?
[18:31] <escott> xibalba, the GHZ don't change, performance will be lower because of some overhead and because you don't allocate all cpus to the vm
[18:31] <Bossdos> miraj: I used a windows, during the installation (Vista) i had the option to delete
[18:31] <escott> Bossdos, ext4 is standard for ubuntu these days. unclear what you did "i just deleted everything" doesn't mean much to me
[18:32] <Bossdos> escott: I used a windows, during the installation (Vista) i had the option to delete
[18:32] <miraj> Bossdos : do you mean the Vista install program deleted the entire Mint partition?
[18:33] <Bossdos> miraj: Yeah, the HD size is 750 MB allocated 500 to Vista, the rest was Mint and just deleted it
[18:33] <crizis> i'm quite confident you cannot install vista to 500 MB
[18:33] <crizis> :)
[18:33] <PatrickC> vista????
[18:33] <Bossdos> crizis: Sorry i ment GB
[18:34] <PatrickC> who in their right mind wants to install vista?! :P
[18:34] <miraj> Bossdos : that means there is no more Mint drive for ubuntu to use. You've need to use some re-partitioning software to make Vista give back some space
[18:34] <crizis> PatrickC, someone who needs windows and happens to have license for it?
[18:34] <Bossdos> I am using GParted now trying to change the file system
[18:34] <Bossdos> so that it will show in my home folder
[18:34] <codeMonkey> Hello all.  I am trying to complete a full, uncompressed backup of my / directory to an external hard disk (preserving permissions and ownership) in Ubuntu 12.04.  The hard disk is /dev/sdd with a single ext3 partition.  I have /dev/sdd1 mounted to /mnt/external.  The command that I am using to complete this is "tar cvf - * | ( cd /mnt/external; tar xfp -)
[18:35] <codeMonkey> The problem I am running into is that the tar command is also hitting /mnt which hits /mnt/external and loops the backup of itself.
[18:35] <Bossdos> miraj: ubuntu can see my second HD
[18:35] <escott> codeMonkey, any reason you dont want to use rsync
[18:35] <PatrickC> crizis: i guess that might work..
[18:35] <PatrickC> but i would rather run xp over vista myself
[18:35] <codeMonkey> I have tried to use --exclude=/mnt with and without quotes and with and without wildcards and it never excludes properly
[18:35] <hashem> codeMonkey, just use dd
[18:35] <codeMonkey> Mostly because I have not been suggested rsync before.  Would it do a better job?
[18:36] <llutz> codeMonkey: --one-file-system   is what you want
[18:36] <escott> codeMonkey, rsync would be easier, and would be resumable
[18:36] <codeMonkey> I am under the impression was not viable for backups like I am doing.  Is that incorrect?
[18:36] <escott> codeMonkey, you cannot use dd to backup a mounted filesystem
[18:36] <miraj> Bossdos : if Vista has taken all the disk space on SDA for itself, there just is nothing left for ubuntu
[18:36] <codeMonkey> Thats what I thought
[18:37] <codeMonkey> OK.  I will go read man rsync and give it a shot.  also, --one-file-system would alleviate this with tar? Just in case?
[18:38] <llutz> codeMonkey: you don't want to backup /dev, /sys /mnt etc.pp. so tar --one-file-system   or rsync -x    should be used
[18:38] <Bossdos> miraj: The total space is 750 GB, 500 GB - Vista , 10 -GB Ubuntu , however i cant get ubuntu to see the rest of the space no what format i partion it to :(
[18:38] <escott> codeMonkey, you are also not preserving permissions with your current tar command.
[18:38] <miraj> Bossdos : what do you have for partitions?
[18:39] <Bossdos> miraj: would it be okay if i PM'd you?
[18:39] <miraj> no
[18:39] <escott> codeMonkey, you want something like: "rsync -xp / /mnt/external/snapshots/YYYYMMDD"
[18:39] <codeMonkey> Ok.  So to sum up, I need to use rsync with -x to exclude the specified directories as well as w/e command I read up on shortly to copy permission.  Will do thanks :)
[18:39] <codeMonkey> I will give it a shot thanks escott :)
[18:40] <llutz> codeMonkey: "man rsync"  -x doesn't exclude dirs, it limits operation to ONE FILESYSTEM
[18:40] <codeMonkey> Ok Im heading for man rsync now :)
[18:40] <escott> codeMonkey, and the second time around you can specify --link-dest=/mnt/external/snapshots/YYYYMMDD to save space with files that dont change
[18:40] <codeMonkey> thanks everyone
[18:42] <Koen_> anyone knows what might be the problem if i can access vsftpd from lan and not from wan, i tested it with my firewall temperaly disabled and had no result
[18:43] <miraj> Koen_ : some ISP's block incoming connections because they don't want their users running any kind of servers
[18:43] <llutz> Koen_: "sudo lsof -i :21"  are you sure it listens on all interfaces, not localhost only?
[18:43] <m3pow> guys is there any ubuntu software to watch online tv channels for free
[18:44] <Koen_> i've allready changed the listenport to 2121 because my isp block all below 1024, but with no result
[18:44] <llutz> Koen_: "sudo lsof -i :2121"  are you sure it listens on all interfaces, not localhost only?
[18:44] <Koen_> @ llutz, just runned the command and had no feedback
[18:44] <miraj> Koen_ : I know my ISP blocks the ports above 1024 too
[18:45] <CTLwm> Koen_: Have you confirmed that the port is open and visible with the service running?
[18:45] <mmoebius> Koen_: use tcpdump or wireshark to see if there are any packets incoming from the source ip at all
[18:46] <llutz> Koen_: no output? means no service listening on that port at all or you're using (x)inetd or something like that
[18:46] <CTLwm> Koen_: I would recommend you to test it out with canyouseeme.org and post results of ur port
[18:46] <mmoebius> Koen_: and use 'iptables -nvL ' to see if ther rules really are gone and every policy is "ACCEPT"
[18:47] <CTLwm> mmoebius: I guess the new ubuntu version has ufw instead of iptables; not sure though
[18:48] <llutz> isn't ufw just a frontend for iptables?
[18:48] <jpds> llutz: Yes.
[18:48] <Koen_> 'iptables -nvL ' gives me following result iptables v1.4.12: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
[18:48] <Koen_> Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
[18:49] <Koen_> so that means i'm not running iptables right?
[18:49] <mmoebius> CTLwm: ufw is an iptables frontend.
[18:49] <mmoebius> Koen_: you are running iptables if using *buntu
[18:50] <mmoebius> Koen_: Did you execute that as root ?
[18:50] <mmoebius> Koen_: because that is required, so 'sudo ...' should do the trick
[18:50] <Koen_> yes, i'm running server version of ubuntu 12.04
[18:50] <Koen_> i disabled firewall now i think
[18:51] <mmoebius> Koen_: btw, FTP servers of any kind seem to be an invitation to hackers ;-) Did you ever consider sftp ?
[18:51] <Koen_> still get connection refussed by server
[18:51] <hadron> ports: why is port 80 open by default?
[18:52] <mmoebius> Koen_:  do you see the packet coming in with tcpdump or wireshark ?
[18:52] <crizis> everything is open by default
[18:52] <Koen_> don't know how to setup sftp, and can't find a descent tutoral
[18:52] <crizis> why it would not be
[18:53] <hadron> crizis, on 10.04 I didn't have any open ports!
[18:54] <crizis> hadron, you sure did as 10.04 didn't have firewall on by default either
[18:54] <Cong> it has a firewall on but all the ports are open
[18:56] <Cong> which is the equivalent as not having one
[18:56] <leaftwig> How do I stop the smooth scrolling? I want nonanalog looking instascrolling.  I use Firefox & Ubuntu 12.04
[18:56] <leaftwig> Especially the Unity part of 12.04
[18:57] <miraj> leaftwig : I think the scrolling style is one of those barely-documented mozilla settings
[18:58] <leaftwig> To the #firefox mirajman :D
[18:58] <hadron> crizis, firewall? ufw?
[18:58] <hadron> i turned it on!
[18:58] <leaftwig> & tyvm :I
[18:58] <hadron> so did I on 12.04
[18:58] <crizis> hadron, yes, but it's off by default
[18:59] <crizis> hadron, also installing packages which use the ports add ufw rules automatically, like installing apache opens 80
[18:59] <hadron> crizis, I did a port scan on a freshly installed 12,04 after activating ufw & 80 was open!!!
[19:00] <crizis> hadron, check 'ufw status' for which ports are open by default
[19:00] <ElixirVitae> Netsplit inbound, ei?
[19:01] <ElixirVitae> or is it going to be down for all services?
[19:01] <timtim> ciao a tutti
[19:01] <timtim> !list
[19:01] <hadron> crizis, status: active
[19:02] <crizis> hadron, status also lists open ports, likely common ones are open by default
[19:02] <hadron> none
[19:02] <hadron> just this line
[19:03] <hadron> crizis, status verbose > active, on (low), deny (incoming), allow (outgoing), new profiles: skipe
[19:03] <hadron> *skip
[19:05] <crizis> hadron, well, then it's on and working
[19:06] <crizis> hadron, however you have 'deny' on which means firewall will inform the source that packet has been rejected, whereas 'reject' completely drops packet
[19:06] <hadron> crizis, I remember very well that when on 10.04 I dida port scan & got all stealth! (do you think its an ISP thing?)
[19:07] <crizis> no, it's on and working
[19:07] <crizis> if you start service in some port, you cannot connect to it, that's for sure
[19:07] <crizis> that port scan is so windows 95
[19:07] <crizis> :)
[19:08] <hadron> crizis, its GRC's shieldsUP: https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
[19:08] <crizis> hadron, 'ufw default reject in' changes to reject instead of deny
[19:08] <Bossdos> ubuntu, is simply amazing! Way better than windows and the user interface is better than linux mint!
[19:08] <crizis> still that pot scanning is useless
[19:09] <hadron> crizis, isn't deny better given that no response to the "service", which could be a ping, scan or attack, than giving a feedback?
[19:10] <tryingUbuntu> is there an alternate for sound other than alsa?  I have a newer Hp with 4 speakers and the sound is REALLY bad!
[19:10] <crizis> irrelevant which is it
[19:10] <hadron> crizis, besides, why is ufw off by default?
[19:10] <crizis> why it should be on
[19:10] <crizis> there are no services installed by default
[19:11] <hadron> if its not on why would be there in  the first place?
[19:11] <crizis> admins job to configure it
[19:11] <crizis> do you have some point here?
[19:11] <hadron> & the regular user falls prey?
[19:11] <Bossdos> tryingUbuntu, by really bad you mean low sound?
[19:12] <tryingUbuntu> Bossdos yes and quality
[19:12] <hadron> the un-knowledgeable
[19:12] <Bossdos> tryingUbuntu, have you been the Ubuntu Audio Development Team page?
[19:12] <tryingUbuntu> Bossdos its not the speakers, dual boot windoze and they work fine
[19:12] <hadron> QUERY [-nofocus] crizis
[19:12] <shomon> hi - I've got a fujitsu stylistic here I want to get ubuntu on.. is it possible?
[19:13] <crizis> hadron, #ubuntu-offtopic for offtopic talk
[19:13] <shomon> it's an st5112 I think
[19:13] <tryingUbuntu> Bossdos no idea that it existed.  Is there troubleshooting or what should I look for at their site?
[19:14] <Bossdos> tryingUbuntu, you are using ALSA right? I just found them myself (still new to ubuntu)
[19:14] <hadron> crizis, thanks anyways :)
[19:15] <PatrickC> would probably be better to ask in here... got a question about partitioning, anyone available?
[19:15] <hadron> PatrickC, exactly what?
[19:15] <PatrickC> making a new partition on my HDD for ubuntu to live on
[19:15] <PatrickC> just resized windows 7, now i have unallocated space
[19:15] <hadron> aha
[19:15] <PatrickC> should i turn it into a partition or leave it unallocated?
[19:16] <RichardRaseley_> What is the best way to share files in an all Ubuntu environment (combination of desktop and server)?
[19:16] <hadron> PatrickC, just a min
[19:16] <PatrickC> kk
[19:16] <Eric___> Having problem with software Center, when I open it all I get is a blank screen.
[19:16] <sysop> So I have been having issues with my wired ethernet
[19:17] <sysop> adaptors
[19:17] <sysop> and now I just did a fresh install of ubuntu and I am getting consistant redirects to go.timedirect.ru
[19:18] <hadron> PatrickC, http://opensource-sidh.blogspot.com/2012/04/ubuntu-1204-installationdual-boot-with.html
[19:18] <hadron> PatrickC, go to step 3
[19:18] <PatrickC> hadron: i'm installing ubuntu minimalistic
[19:18] <PatrickC> so no GUI like that
[19:19] <hadron> using a cd?
[19:19] <PatrickC> yeah
[19:19] <hadron> where did u get it from? link?
[19:19] <rafael> hy everyone
[19:19] <rafael> i need help
[19:20] <PatrickC> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso and http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[19:20] <Guest92091> i have a token certified.. on the tokenadmin its works, but in java program no.
[19:20] <Guest83511> nevermind just changed from opendns to google... has something to do with thier dns servers
[19:20] <_XMENDES> i have a token certified.. on the tokenadmin its works, but in java program no.
[19:20] <PatrickC> it's a net installer hadron
[19:20] <_XMENDES> token type card readr
[19:21] <hadron> PatrickC, ah; fo ra notebook? or installs it from the net? hehe
[19:21] <rgenito_> hai
[19:21] <hadron> I use the regular .iso & the gui is there
[19:21] <PatrickC> installs from the net ;)
[19:21] <hadron> never used the netboot!
[19:21] <RichardRaseley> Any input on the best method to share files in a pure Ubuntu (mix of Desktop and Server) environment?
[19:21] <PatrickC> it's basically the same as a normal installer, just doesn't have bloatware in it ;)
[19:21] <hadron> I suggest u do it with the regular iso instead or use a usb!
[19:21] <PatrickC> installs only what you need
[19:22] <PatrickC> either way, would i format the unallocated space or leave it alone?
[19:22] <gordonjcp> PatrickC: if it's unallocated, you can't format it
[19:22] <PatrickC> well, not format
[19:22] <PatrickC> partition
[19:22] <genii-around> RichardRaseley: nfs
[19:22] <gordonjcp> PatrickC: oh, yeah, you might as well
[19:22] <hadron> you need to creat a partition out of it then format it to ext4
[19:23] <PatrickC> create it as a primary partition or an extended partition?
[19:23] <RichardRaseley> genii-around: Thank you.
[19:23] <_XMENDES> anyone?
[19:23] <hadron> PatrickC, how many other partition uve got?
[19:23] <PatrickC> one
[19:23] <PatrickC> just this one and windows 7
[19:24] <hadron> PatrickC, well u can have up to 4 primary partitions; its up to u
[19:24] <PatrickC> what's the differences?
[19:24] <_XMENDES> need help
[19:24] <hadron> not sure about that! but i know u can create an extended with more than 4 logical paritions under it
[19:24] <wilee-nilee> _XMENDES, The channel requests you ask a question related to your problem.
[19:24] <kodak> Hello all
[19:25] <MonkeyDust> _XMENDES  start with a question, if you want help
[19:25] <kodak> first off, bravo on the installer, very smooth and smart looking (this is my way of saying "fresh install")
[19:25] <Koen_> btw, guys, ive resently used SSD card to install linux on, but when i try to format it in windows trough installation process, i can't access the drive anymore, anyone an idea howto format drive in ubuntu to make it accessible again?
[19:25] <hadron> PatrickC, for example, my system: 4 partitions: 1 factory utilities, 1 Diagnostics, 1 Windows, 1 Extended (another win partition, & 4 linux partitions)
[19:25] <_XMENDES> ok .. i  have a token certified.. on the program token admin.. it works.
[19:26] <_XMENDES> but on my java certified its dont work
[19:26] <MonkeyDust> _XMENDES  in 1 line please
[19:26] <kodak> Hows does one, A, get latest nvidia drivers and, B, make sure SLI is on(it isnt now, one core card is hot, the other cold)
[19:26] <hadron> I suggest you make an primary partition if its only 1 partition; otherwise make an extended if u plan to divide ur linux partition
[19:26] <_XMENDES> ok .. i  have a token certified.. on the program token admin.. it works. but on my java certified its dont work
[19:26] <cromag> Koen_: an idea could be formatting it from ubuntu with ntfs system on it
[19:26] <hadron> PatrickC, https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/
[19:26] <PatrickC> na, no dividing
[19:26] <Koen_> thx cromag, gonna try it
[19:27] <cromag> read about mkfs.ntfs i think it's called
[19:27] <hadron> PatrickC, what partitions do u plan on?
[19:27] <PatrickC> primary ubuntu and windows 7
[19:27] <PatrickC> was thinking about moving /home to a separate partition, but not gonna
[19:28] <wilee-nilee> Koen_, Is there an unallocated space for windows to see? If you make a NTFS in ubuntu for the install put a bootflag on that partition
[19:28] <_XMENDES> nothing?
[19:28] <hadron> PatrickC, I suggest: Extended partition under which there is at least / & /home (that's better if ur / failed or ur doing a fresh isntall; u dont format the /home & u keep ur data 7 preferences)
[19:28] <gordonjcp> _XMENDES: #java maybe?
[19:29] <_XMENDES> i gonna try there.. tks
[19:29] <PatrickC> hmm.. ok
[19:29] <hadron> PatrickC, Ubuntu Installation Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/amd64/index.html | Recommended Partitioning: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/amd64/apcs03.html
[19:29] <marko-_-> Hello today i woke up and my fan was loud as hell. The temperature is normal, everything's working fine just my fan is going crazy. I have an asus k52j laptop and i was just wondering is there a way to make the fan work quieter automaticly? I'm not doing hard stuff on it, so don't worry my temperature will go way up
[19:29] <_XMENDES> only guests on #java :(
[19:30] <hadron> PatrickC, a good guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=282018
[19:34] <hadron> PatrickC, btw, am not sure what's the difference between the netboot & the alternative disk, but the alternative disk gives u more options & a non-graphical installer
[19:36] <jpds> hadron: The netboot one is suppose to download packages from the net.
[19:37] <hadron> jpds, like the ones to be installed? or the installed to be run?
[19:37] <jpds> hadron: Installed.
[19:37] <jpds> hadron: The netbook also features the non-graphical installer.
[19:37] <someprimetime> what permissions should js files have on a server?
[19:38] <jpds> someprimetime: Nothing special?
[19:38] <someprimetime> jpds: so chmod -R 755 js/ would be fine?
[19:39] <hadron> PatrickC, jpds says: The netbook also features the non-graphical installer.
[19:39] <jpds> someprimetime: Why would you want them to be exectuable?
[19:39] <RichardRaseley> When logging into Ubuntu server, I see notices that show "X Packages Can Be Updated" but doing an apt-get update doesn't seem to change this number... what gives?
[19:40] <Pici> RichardRaseley: use apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:40] <jpds> RichardRaseley: Do an upgrade instead.
[19:40] <Pici> RichardRaseley: er, rather what jpds  said
[19:40] <jpds> RichardRaseley: Instead of just 'update'ing the package indexes.
[19:40] <RichardRaseley> Pici & jpds: Thank you
[19:40] <someprimetime> jpds: so chmod -R 644 js/
[19:40] <jpds> someprimetime: Probably, though maybe: js/*
[19:40] <someprimetime> jpds: good call
[19:40] <someprimetime> thx
[19:41] <epinky> could anyone give a hand with RADIUSproxy?
[19:41] <PatrickC> ok, now time to do the partition
[19:41] <kevin1961> Hi, I am using evolution can anybody tell me how to make new categories, all I get is "On this Computer" and personal. How do I access the long list that is available ?
[19:45] <kevin1961> ok of to see youtube
[19:45] <hadron> I'm busy
[19:45] <rgenito_> grr,  i think i'm just going to put debian on this laptop...hopefully that'll fix the issue with my faulty wireless driver. =\ or at least i think that's the problem
[19:45] <mcb_> I made a disk image from a server to an external driver. O reinstaled grub in the external drive, changed the UUIDs in /etc/fstab  and in /boot/grub/grub.cfg. I more then double checked this and they are all right. I use this same method with Debian 6 and works to perfection. In Ubuntu, Grub loads OK, but it hangs just after, with no erro message, just the blinking cursor in the left upper conner of the screen. I can see that external drive led blink two, 
[19:46] <DarthExpeditor> My swap is only 255mb, is there a way to expand it without screwing everything up?
[19:47] <jrib> !swap | DarthExpeditor
[19:47] <jrib> DarthExpeditor: you could use a swap file
[19:47] <jrib> DarthExpeditor: but ram is pretty cheap nowadays...
[19:47] <rob_> hi, is it possible to boot from the ubuntu livecd but use the rootfs from an encrypted harddisk?
[19:48] <kodak> How does one turn on SLI in ubuntu?
[19:48] <wilee-nilee> mcb_, Does reinstalling grub include putting it in the mbr, and booting from that drive?
[19:48] <DarthExpeditor> I have 4gb of memory in this system
[19:48] <jpds> epinky: → #ubuntu-server
[19:49] <DarthExpeditor> should I just ignore the complaint?
[19:49] <jrib> DarthExpeditor: what complaint?
[19:49] <epinky> jpds: sir, yes sir!
[19:49] <jpds> DarthExpeditor: Add another swap partition/file?
[19:49] <jpds> DarthExpeditor: What complaint?
[19:49] <DarthExpeditor> The system is running great but Nagios keeps throwing an alarm because my swap is at 100%
[19:50] <miraj> did the server transfer finish yet?
[19:50] <jpds> DarthExpeditor: OK, so create a new swap partition/file or resize some partition to make space.
[19:50] <jpds> DarthExpeditor: Or find out what's swapping so much and stop it.
[19:51] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: sure thing. I reinstalled grub in the external drive in the MBR of that drive, the partition is bootable, and the erro happens as i try to boot from it.
[19:51] <DarthExpeditor> I'm hesitant to try to resize any partitions because I am using wubi
[19:52] <DarthExpeditor> I can just create another swap file?
[19:52] <jpds> DarthExpeditor: You have Nagios monitoring a system that running on Wubi?
[19:52] <DarthExpeditor> Not exactly
[19:52] <PatrickC> base system is installing :D
[19:52] <wilee-nilee> mcb_, Sorry for the double question you had actually answered that in your first post.
[19:52]  * jrib is now curious
[19:52] <DarthExpeditor> I am practicing installing Nagios and working with it on my workstation that runs wubi
[19:53] <drecute> hi mentors
[19:53] <marko-_-> Hello today i woke up and my fan was loud as hell. The temperature is normal, everything's working fine just my fan is going crazy. I have an asus k52j laptop and i was just wondering is there a way to make the fan work quieter automaticly? I'm not doing hard stuff on it, so don't worry my temperature will go way up
[19:53] <MonkeyDust> wubi :(
[19:53] <DarthExpeditor> I am also trying to figure out if I can get away with not running windows at all on my workstation
[19:53] <jpds> DarthExpeditor: Typically, I would use virtual machines instead.
[19:53] <DarthExpeditor> Yeah
[19:53] <DarthExpeditor> And the deploy version will be on our Proxmox server
[19:53] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: Grub loads ok. If i look at the grub command with the "e" option, it is pointing to the right UUID.
[19:54] <DarthExpeditor> I'm just learning its quirks and how to work with it on here.
[19:54] <kodak> would sudo nvidia-xconfig --sli=AFR activate my SLI or screw with my X server?
[19:54] <drecute> Please I'm writing a startup script for JIRA and I'll like to get a review on the LSB aspect. http://codepad.org/RwqOLOFL
[19:54] <DarthExpeditor> I have yet to need my Windows OS since I installed wubi
[19:54] <wilee-nilee> mcb_, Is this a clone of the original or a custom cd install made from it?
[19:54] <DarthExpeditor> My boss was insisting that I would need Windows
[19:54] <DarthExpeditor> I have proven otherwise
[19:54] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: Clone.
[19:55] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: Same everything, just in another disk.
[19:55] <LazyTown> please help, 911,  just tried to enable mpm_worker mod on my ubuntu server and now its not serving php,  guys in apache room would rather give me shit about need reading close enough then to help me fix it.. what do I do?  It send my php unparsed as a file download.
[19:56] <wilee-nilee> mcb_, Sounds like you know what you are doing, not sure why it would not run from the info so far, maybe a bad clone?
[19:56] <drecute> please I need LSB help on this startup script: http://codepad.org/RwqOLOFL
[19:57] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: I made it more than four times.... Same result. And i tested in the same server, and in other machines to rules out Hardware issues. As i said, I use this method with Debian 6, Grub 2, machine and works all time. This problem is only happening with Ubuntu.
[19:59] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: I also tryed to do update-initramfs and grub-update after the grub install.... Same problem.
[19:59] <wilee-nilee> mcb_, Are you chrooting the mbr install and running a update-grub after tweaking /etc/default/grub?
[19:59] <kodak> How do i enable sli without using xorg.conf(isnt it outdated?)
[19:59] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: Sure.
[19:59] <MonkeyDust> LazyTown  there's also the channel #ubuntu-server
[20:00] <LazyTown> thank you MonkeyDust!
[20:00] <wilee-nilee> mcb_, Not sure myself, I clone often but install on the same HD using clonezilla. Shouldn't be a driver problem I would think with a server.
[20:00] <leaftwig> How do I find out what wifi driver my Ubuntu uses?  You have my gratitude for reading this & contributing to the community.
[20:00] <kodak> How do i enable SLI without using xorg.conf(isnt it outdated?)
[20:01] <kodak> oops, double post, sorry
[20:01] <marko-_-> Hello today i woke up and my fan was loud as hell. The temperature is normal, everything's working fine just my fan is going crazy. I have an asus k52j laptop and i was just wondering is there a way to make the fan work quieter automaticly? I'm not doing hard stuff on it, so don't worry my temperature will go way up
[20:01] <miraj> leaftwig : "lspci"
[20:01] <kevin1961> jajaja lots of helps and no replies :-)
[20:01] <theadmin> kodak: xorg.conf is not "outdated", it's just not there by default. If you need it for something, you can very well create it and it will be used upon next start of X
[20:02] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: If it was a driver problem, i should expect and "Module XXXX not loaded" erro message.
[20:02] <leaftwig> y thank u miraj :D
[20:02] <kodak> ah, so, erm, im still lost on how to get sli working though theadmin
[20:02] <mcb_> wilee-nilee: I will also try some help in #ubuntu-server...
[20:03] <theadmin> kodak: Well, I can't really help you on that (just saying things that I thought might help, sorry, I don't even know what a "SLI" is)
[20:04] <kodak> theadmin, thanks then :) (sli is a nvidia setting to use two cards)
[20:05] <theadmin> kodak: Oh that, uhh, you might want to use Jockey to get the propretiary NVidia drivers (it's called "Additional Drivers" in the menus) and then use their config tool
[20:05] <PatrickC> nows when i have no clue what to do.. :P
[20:05] <PatrickC> what kernel should i install?
[20:05] <PatrickC> generic?
[20:06] <hadron> what are the options? Im tryin gto help but now sure about it
[20:06] <kodak> thanks theadmin
[20:06] <PatrickC> tons of options hadron
[20:06] <PatrickC> linux0generic, linux-server, linux-generic-pae, then different images
[20:07] <hadron> PatrickC, I guess it linux-generic-pae
[20:07] <MrBushido>  is there anything like netlimiter for linux? it's a taskmanager like app that breaks down bandwidth usage by process and allows you to limit each processes max bandwidth
[20:07] <gordonjcp> hadron: What exactly are you trying to do?
[20:07] <MrBushido>                    http://www.netlimiter.com/img/scrshots/nl2shot_limit.png
[20:07] <theadmin> PatrickC: linux-generic-pae is probably your best choice
[20:07] <PatrickC> whats the difference between -pae and non?
[20:07] <gordonjcp> -pae allows you to use PAE
[20:07] <hadron> gordonjcp, me? nothing, tryint to help PatrickC
[20:07] <PatrickC> gotcha
[20:08] <gordonjcp> hadron: ah, okay ;-)
[20:08] <gordonjcp> PatrickC: What exactly are you trying to do?
[20:08] <PatrickC> gordonjcp: doing a minimalistic install
[20:09] <gordonjcp> PatrickC: get the mini iso and have at it
[20:09] <PatrickC> that's what i did
[20:09] <gordonjcp> PatrickC: that's about as minimal as you can go, without getting seriously off into the weeds
[20:09] <PatrickC> never done a setup like this though
[20:09] <PatrickC> so it's all new to me ;)
[20:10] <drcode> hi all
[20:10] <drcode> any one know how can I know cpu temp?
[20:11] <hadron> drcode, install acpi & run acpi 0t
[20:11] <hadron> acpi -t
[20:11] <drcode> thanx
[20:11] <hadron> welcome
[20:12] <wilee-nilee> drcode, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[20:12] <diablotin> hello guys
[20:13] <drcode> thanks
[20:13] <diablotin> Does anyone knows about hostapd ??
[20:13] <kodak> when editing xorg.conf, is it enough to just reboot X, or do i need to reboot computer?
[20:14] <miraj> kodak : just restart X
[20:14] <kodak> thanks miraj
[20:14] <MonkeyDust> !info hostapd
[20:14] <gordonjcp> diablotin: a tiny bit
[20:14] <Oimel1987> I have two HDDs in my Notebook. How can i install the partitions so that the core system is on HDD 1 and the userdata and installed programs on HDD2 ?
[20:14] <diablotin> I compile it and I have a problem with the authentification
[20:15] <diablotin> I can attach a device (my cell phone) without wpa
[20:15] <miraj> Oimel1987 : partition it, create a filesystem on it, and add it to your fstab
[20:15] <diablotin> and as soon as I set wpa to protocol 1 or 2 i can't attach my phone
[20:15] <diablotin> could you help me gordonjcp ?
[20:16] <Oimel1987> miraj: i want to make a fresh ubuntu install on it
[20:16] <diablotin> here is the error message I get "deauthenticated due to local deauth request"
[20:16] <diablotin> any clue ?
[20:17] <miraj> Oimel1987 : from what you said you wanted to do, you'd do the fresh ubuntu install on SDA, then setup drive SDB and add it to your fstab file
[20:20] <Oimel1987> miraj: isn't it possible over the partition table of the installer ?
[20:20] <HeadlessZombie> my 16GB flashdrive has reached its max writes. about to install to new flash drive.  What i have: 4GB flash drive and an 8GB flash drive. The 4GB is newer and has more writes available. what install / partition scheme should I use If i wanted to use both drives to get the most storage space?
[20:21] <vacho_> hey guys
[20:21] <vacho_> how do I create root user from terminal?
[20:21] <miraj> HeadlessZombie : a 4gb system drive is scarcely enough
[20:21] <HeadlessZombie> adduser
[20:21] <diablotin> vacho_: add the new user to the admin group
[20:21] <guntbert_> vacho_: you don't need one
[20:22] <vacho_> I don't need one?
[20:22] <guntbert_> !root | vacho_
[20:22] <HeadlessZombie> you have 1 already
[20:22] <vacho_> ok.
[20:22] <vacho_> basically I want to create a user that has full priviligies..how do I do it?
[20:22] <PatrickC> dang this setup takes a LONG time
[20:22] <HeadlessZombie> sudo sudo dolphin
[20:22] <HeadlessZombie> you dont
[20:22] <PatrickC> sudo rm -rf /
[20:22] <HeadlessZombie> dont do that. this isnt windows.
[20:22] <PatrickC> lol
[20:22] <guntbert_> HeadlessZombie: stop giving bad advice please
[20:23] <chop> vacho_: sudo passwd
[20:23] <theadmin> !danger | HeadlessZombie, PatrickC
[20:23] <gordonjcp> chop: don't suggest that people do that
[20:23] <gordonjcp> vacho_: don't set a root password
[20:23] <forkbomber> lol
[20:23] <guntbert_> vacho_: adduser has an otion to create a "system" user, try that
[20:23] <guntbert_> *option
[20:24] <gordonjcp> vacho_: the whole idea of having a root login is utterly obsolete
[20:24] <chop> just because ubuntu decides it's not a good idea to do what all of unix did for 30 years does not mean it's right
[20:24] <guntbert_> chop: stop arguing *here*
[20:24] <chop> guntbert_: i did not argue.
[20:25] <lun4tic> hi does anyone know how to turn fullscreen mode on in torchlight or any humblebundle irc channel
[20:25] <lun4tic> ? :D
[20:25] <gordonjcp> chop: having a root password set was obsolete 20-odd years ago
[20:25] <gordonjcp> chop: it was a glaring misfeature in Linux from day one
[20:26] <lun4tic> the damn unity bar always stays on top in windowed mode
[20:26] <miraj> Yes, it's better when every script with  sudo command in it can take complete control of the system. More modern.
[20:26] <gordonjcp> miraj: how would that happen?
[20:27] <Cyberspaceloa> can't believe people are still arguing about this
[20:28] <gordonjcp> Cyberspaceloa: yeah.  The matter was settled in the early 1980s
[20:28] <gordonjcp> Cyberspaceloa: sudo replaces having a root login.  Anything else is atavism
[20:28] <oslinux_> When I watch a video on youtube with the html5 player why the other applications have no sound ?
[20:29] <crundar_> how do you set limit which users can delete files. That doesn't fit under the rwx rubric I'm thinking of. Do I have to use ACLs to manage that?
[20:29] <gordonjcp> crundar_: delete, but still be able to write?
[20:29] <dhanasekaran> Hi Guys Filter Out Duplicate IP Addresses in network it's any automated tool is there
[20:29] <gordonjcp> crundar_: there may be some extended attribute for that
[20:29] <crundar_> either?
[20:30] <crundar_> is delete normally treated as write as well?
[20:30] <gordonjcp> crundar_: if you make something read-only it cannot be deleted *or* written but it doesn't sound like that's what you want
[20:30] <Cyberspaceloa> crundar_ you'd want to utilize groups, I'd think
[20:30] <gordonjcp> crundar_: ACLs are a world of pain
[20:30] <TJ-> crundar_: You set the permissions on the *directory* that contains the files.
[20:30] <ditoa> just installed 12.04 in a VM
[20:30] <Cyberspaceloa> and only add the users you want to give permissions to into the appropriate group
[20:31] <ditoa> wow! linux has come a long way. looks amazing
[20:31] <gordonjcp> ditoa: since when? *All* OSes have come a long way...
[20:31] <crundar_> well, I want my whole group to be able to create, but no user able to delete anyone else's stuff. This is a shared directory
[20:31] <gordonjcp> well, Plan 9 hasn't really
[20:31] <i7c> gordonjcp: except some :p
[20:31] <ditoa> well ive not used linux since ~2004
[20:31] <rstrt> Afternoon, everyone. Can anyone tell me the command to add my windows 7 install from /dev/sdb to grub? The google results I get have a crazy amount of variance between links
[20:32] <crundar_> I'm trying to set up a shared media drive for the house
[20:32] <gordonjcp> crundar_: okay, so normal permissions and umask
[20:32] <Cyberspaceloa> well, I'm no professional admin or anything, crundar_
[20:32] <gordonjcp> ditoa: I'm not sure what you would be comparing it with, then
[20:32] <Cyberspaceloa> but to my thinking you can make the parent folder accessible globally
[20:32] <gordonjcp> ditoa: it hasn't really changed significantly
[20:32] <crundar_> me neither.
[20:32] <Cyberspaceloa> and then give each user their own folder with the proper permissions
[20:32] <ditoa> one question tho, how do i disable the animations in the WM?
[20:32] <gordonjcp> crundar_: so basically you can use umask to specify the "default" permissions of files created in a directory
[20:33] <guntbert_> gordonjcp: would the sticky bit help in crundar_'s case?
[20:33] <ditoa> well the whole interface is totally different to classic gnome i used back in 2004
[20:33] <gordonjcp> guntbert_: possibly
[20:33] <guntbert_> !ot | ditoa
[20:33] <gordonjcp> ditoa: yeah, Unity is fairly new
[20:33] <andreb> hi all
[20:33] <ditoa> is very nice
[20:33] <takyon29> I have wine and play on linux installed. But Team Fotress 2 keeps on on crashing during the loading screen. Any idea how to fix it?
[20:34] <gordonjcp> takyon29: probably best to ask in #wine
[20:34] <ditoa> i think i could quite easily replace windows with ubuntu providing all the hardware worked as it should
[20:34] <Cyberspaceloa> I think you'd need to find a wine/pol specific group, takyon29
[20:34] <gordonjcp> takyon29: possibly #winehq, can't remember
[20:34] <gordonjcp> ditoa: depends what you're trying to do
[20:35] <Cyberspaceloa> crundar_ did your question get answered?
[20:35] <ditoa> just as a simple end user; web, office, music, movies, iplayer, some light python work
[20:35] <takyon29> okay thanks. i'll ask that server.
[20:35] <crundar_> Cyberspaceloa: Well I'm investigating umask. I didn't know that it affected a particular directory. I just thought it affected the given proccess it was set for
[20:36] <rstrt> Anyone know how to add Win7 to grub? (Treat me like a complete idiot lol)
[20:36] <gordonjcp> ditoa: pretty much; it's really good for general software dev stuff too
[20:36] <andreb> i tired last weekend to upgrade from 10.04 LTS to 12.04 LTS ..via the online update and even by the alternate disk.. and both ways it failed... how can i clean my apt-get so i will be able to install programs.. cuz right now any time i try to install anything via apt get it keeps asaking me for teh cd
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> rstrt: try:  sudo update-grub
[20:36] <takyon29> #wine seems to be an invite only channel
[20:36] <crundar_> Cyberspaceloa: so I didn't think, unless i set the default umask for the other users, that it would work. but maybe. tl;dr. no, not yet.
[20:36] <guntbert_> crundar_: not sure if you got my suggestion of using the sticky bit on the directoy
[20:36] <jrib> !wine | takyon29
[20:36] <ditoa> i really like how unity works, a lot nicer than using windows 8
[20:37] <gordonjcp> andreb: try editing /etc/apt/sources.list and removing all the lines that reference the CD?
[20:37] <Cyberspaceloa> crundar_ can you describe exactly what you're trying to do? A shared folder, correct?
[20:37] <gordonjcp> ditoa: probably best to take the discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:37] <ActionParsnip> andreb: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list     comment out the top 3 lines which reference the CD, save the new file, close get and run:  sudo apt-get update
[20:37] <rstrt> ActionParsnip; Once I update it, how can I verify that there it does actually see windows?
[20:37] <ditoa> gordonjcp, ok
[20:37] <crundar_> Cyberspaceloa: yeah. like a shared media drive. I want everyone in the group to be able to drop off movies and stuff, but not delete anyone elses
[20:37] <crundar_> I've got the room
[20:38] <ActionParsnip> rstrt: you will see Windows in the output of the command if it's picked up
[20:38] <andreb> k
[20:38] <rstrt> It didn't pick up the windows install
[20:38] <Cyberspaceloa> crundar_ what I would do is give each user a single folder in which they could write
[20:38] <TJ-> crundar_: You just need to set the sticky bit on the parent directory "chmod +t </some/dir>"
[20:38] <Cyberspaceloa> also, give global r_x access to every folder
[20:39] <TJ-> crundar_: That ensures that only the *owner* can do deletions
[20:39] <Cyberspaceloa> everyone can read anyone's folder, but they can only write to their own
[20:39] <andreb> thanks
[20:39] <rstrt> Is there a way to manually specify the drive in the Grub loader menu?
[20:39] <crundar_> ah. awesome.
[20:39] <rstrt> I feel pretty stupid that I'm having this much trouble lol
[20:40] <crundar_> well thanks for that, and maybe I'll do different dirs, and give group read access there for all of them
[20:40] <crundar_> thanks
[20:40] <TJ-> rstrt: Which partition on /dev/sdb is Windows installed in?
[20:41] <rstrt> /dev/sda1
[20:41] <rstrt> wait no
[20:41] <rstrt> /dev/sdb1
[20:41] <TJ-> rstrt: What does this report? "sudo blkid /dev/sdb1"
[20:41] <ActionParsnip> rstrt: gksudo gedit /etc/grub.d/40_custom      and use this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/110698/add-windows-to-my-boot-menu
[20:42] <rstrt> @TJ- /dev/sdb1: UUID="1EAC253DAC251137" TYPE="ntfs"
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> rstrt: you'll need to change:  set root=(hd0,2)   to set root=(hd1,0)   as it is on sdb1
[20:42] <LennyKitty> whats the restricted drivers application called?
[20:42] <TJ-> rstrt: That's good. See if it can be detected: "sudo os-prober"
[20:42] <TJ-> LennyKitty: jockey  I think you mean?
[20:43] <LennyKitty> yes ty TJ-
[20:43] <rstrt> TJ- That command does not seem to output anything.
[20:44] <TJ-> rstrt: ahh, yes, silly me :p
[20:47] <rstrt> Alright, I'm going to try that. Thanks for your help guys
[20:48] <paws> i want to find a file that in the file contains a specific word
[20:48] <paws> for example i am looking up a .php file with a word 'mainpage' how can i find that file
[20:48] <TJ-> paws: "grep 'word' /path/to/dir/*.php"
[20:49] <TJ-> paws: if you want to search sub-directories do, use the "-r" option: "grep -r 'word' /path/to/dir/*.php"
[20:49] <TJ-> paws: and if you want to know which line it is one, add the "-n" option
[20:50] <paws> ok thanx a lot TJ-
[20:51] <cameron__> just makin sure im in the right spot. this is for ubuntu help right?  not tryin to be in the ubuntu server help
[20:51] <wtaz> wtaz
[20:51] <wtaz> exit
[20:51] <cameron__> -list
[20:52] <cameron__> bleh  its been so long since ive been on an irc server..i forget the commands /facepalm
[20:52] <gerbilcabbagehai> any guide I can look up to create .sh files? I want to run a series of commands on my ubuntu server
[20:53] <black_> I have a ProBox 4 bay external housing, ubuntu 12.04 wont show the drives, all the drive does is spool, wind down, repeat any thoughts?
[20:53] <gerbilcabbagehai> !.sh
[20:54] <TJ-> black_: What kind of interface is it on?
[20:55] <black_> USB and eSATA
[20:55] <rtconner> is there any way to set a default owner of new files. like a user named joe uploads a file, but the owner would be www-data by default?
[20:55] <TJ-> black_: but which are you using to connect it to the PC?
[20:55] <black_> USB
[20:56] <black_> eSATA card isnt picked up
[20:56] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: i'd recommend using bash instead (unless you want the scripts to be portable)
[20:56] <gerbilcabbagehai> zykotick9: <curious> can you explain why?
[20:56] <TJ-> black_: OK, then usb_storage should see it. If you use eSata, you'll need to ensure the acpiphp (ACPI PCI Hot-Plug) driver is loaded first
[20:56] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: bash is easier/more powerful/better gnu/linux supported
[20:57] <gerbilcabbagehai> !bash
[20:57] <TJ-> black_: I have external SATAs too; I've added "acpiphp" to the "/etc/modules" file to ensure the drives are detected when they're connected
[20:57] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: using sh is more limited... perhaps a better reply.
[20:58] <TJ-> black_: to load the module manually "sudo modprobe acpiphp" and *then* connect the drive bay
[20:59] <gerbilcabbagehai> zykotick9: case in point? http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_lts0010.php
[21:00] <Chris123> hey guys, I just installed ubuntu and cant find my wlan network, I installed drivers for my wlan-usb stick using ndiswrapper and the windows wireless driver software sees that the stick is plugged in but I cant find my network
[21:00] <Chris123> can anybody help me please?
[21:00] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: not sure what you mean by your link?  for 90+% sh and bash will be identical.
[21:01] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: terminal != shell
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: which wifi chip?
[21:01] <gerbilcabbagehai> zykotick9: I was agreeing with you after "maning" up on bash and sh. That link said bash is "better" :)
[21:01] <zma> I've faced a situation after running Grub Customizer that my boot menu has 48 entries. Even running update-grub2 doesn't fix it. I don't have so many kernel versions. How to restore old menu without backup?
[21:02] <Chris123> It?s a Fritz stick
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> zma: uninstall the old kernels
[21:02] <zma> ActionParsnip: I don't have so many old kernels
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: no, we need the chip, the thing inside. Intel? Atheros? Broadcom?
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> zma: dpkg -l | grep linux-image    will show the installed kernels
[21:03] <deadmund> ActionParsnip: :)
[21:03] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: where can I get information about it? (note: I?m on windows atm)
[21:03] <zma> ActionParsnip: I have couple of different Ubuntu versions installed. For example partition sda11 has just freshly made install and I have never logged in. Still Grub menu shows 9 entries for it.
[21:03] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: you can use:   sudo lshw -C network; lsusb   in Ubuntu. You have reached for ndiswrapper when it may not be needed in any way.
[21:04] <Basic> zma the easiest way to uninstall all of those kernels is a tool called Ubuntu-tweak
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> zma: let me search
[21:04] <zma> Basic: Does pristine 10.04.4 install give you 4 different kernels before first log in?
[21:04] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: On the ubuntu wiki it says that ndiswrapper is the only way
[21:04]  * zykotick9 believe's zma issue is not NUMBER of kenrnels but due to "Grub Customizer" (whatever that is)
[21:04] <PatrickC> ok, truexfan81, you there?
[21:04] <PatrickC> need some help
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> zykotick9: likely
[21:05] <PatrickC> stupid minimistalic install is borked it seems
[21:05] <leigh> does ubuntu allow you to update to the new version without removal and restall of the whole?
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: find out the chip, or the 8 character hex id of the device and we can search
[21:05] <Basic> zma i don't know i never use pristine
[21:05] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: Texas Instruments TNETW1450 is the chip
[21:05] <PatrickC> or someone who has minimalistic install experience
[21:05] <PatrickC> it won't let me boot, says i need to switch to the kernel
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> leigh: yes, you can upgrade LTS to LTS
[21:05] <zykotick9> leigh: yes, but i'd recommend "fresh" installs myself.
[21:06] <leigh> thanks to both
[21:06] <PatrickC> just finished a minimalistic install, and now i can't get it t finish booting
[21:06] <PatrickC> i'm at grub
[21:06] <Basic> zma most linux systems give you two kenels before log in
[21:06] <PatrickC> not sure how to get it to boot the kernel
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/acx100/index.php?title=ACX
[21:07] <_XMENDES> how i give acess root to a folder? or a file ?
[21:07] <gerbilcabbagehai> where do i find the windows configurator?
[21:07] <gerbilcabbagehai> in gui
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: http://wiki.debian.org/acx
[21:07] <zma> Basic: Right now I'm on sda10 running 12.04. It has 4 kernels installed, and GRUB2 menu shows 8 entries
[21:08] <tuxmatt> hey all
[21:08] <improovizator> hey
[21:08] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: thank you, I will read through it and try it, if it doesnt work ill come back
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: if you boot to ubuntu and run:  sudo modprobe ndiswrapper    does it load ok and work?
[21:08] <black_> tj- FATAL: Error inserting acpiphp (/lib/modules/3.5.0-10-generic/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/acpiphp.ko): No such device
[21:08] <_XMENDES> i using ubuntu 10.10 .. trying acess a .so file with a reader card. but "permission denied" message appears
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> black_: thats a 3rd party kernel, not supported here
[21:09] <zykotick9> !10.10 | _XMENDES
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: maverick is EOL, not supported and no more updates
[21:09] <black_>  where do i get it?
[21:09] <tuxmatt> im running pear linux at the moment
[21:09] <_XMENDES> i know.. this station is old
[21:09] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: I will switch to ubuntu and try it right now!
[21:09] <zykotick9> _XMENDES: if you want support here, update or fresh install to a supported version
[21:09] <_XMENDES> dont support any newer
[21:09] <tuxmatt> any one having problems w=:)
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: have you tried Xubuntu 12.04?
[21:10] <zykotick9> _XMENDES: using an EOL release is bad karma, and thus not supported here.
[21:10] <_XMENDES> my station is older.. sorry about that.
[21:10] <Basic>  zma synaptic package manager should show all kernels on remove the earliest  kernels versions
[21:10] <_XMENDES> action .. yes.. tried for 3 months..
[21:10] <improovizator> How connection in Russian IRC canal?
[21:10] <TJ-> black_: You're running 3.5 kernel?
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> tuxmatt: pear linux isn't supported here, this is Ubuntu support
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> !ru  | improovizator
[21:10] <_XMENDES> but the V card.. dont works :)
[21:10] <tuxmatt> yea i know man but i came to help people with ubuntu
[21:10] <black_> Linux blackness 3.5.0-10-generic #10-Ubuntu SMP Mon Aug 13 16:23:53 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> black_: if you are running  a 3rd party kernel you will need to contact the kernel packager
[21:10] <zykotick9> !nomodeset | _XMENDES: did you try this?
[21:11] <_XMENDES> my station only works with 10.10 .. (nvidia 96 running)
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> tuxmatt: thats fine, and very welcomed :)
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: its a dead release, the OS will run but there are zero updates and zero support in any of the ubuntu channels
[21:11] <_XMENDES> but its not problem now.. my problem is a CCID card.
[21:11] <zykotick9> _XMENDES: oh, 96 driver.  that COULD be an issue.  best of luck.  you might want to consider another distro, if ubuntu doesn't work-out.  'cause using 10.10 is NOT a good idea.
[21:11] <gerbilcabbagehai> Where do I find the windows configurator on 12.04 live cd?
[21:11] <tuxmatt> yea i did not come in here to ask ? about pear :)
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: again, not supported
[21:11] <PatrickC> anyone on a minimalistic install?
[21:12] <zma> Basic: I want my old kernel versions to stay there, but want any other duplicates to stay. I know I have several OS installed and the real number of menu entries should be around 15-16. But I have 48 after running Grub Customizer application.
[21:12] <_XMENDES> eheheheh
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> PatrickC: I use minimal install
[21:12] <ki7rw> i'm unable to change the language in 12.04 despite following instructions at http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/17528/change-the-user-interface-language-in-ubuntu/
[21:12] <PatrickC> ActionParsnip: how do i get it to boot from the grub> command prompt?
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> zma: I suggest you contact the customiser app maker than
[21:12] <PatrickC> i've loaded the initrd and the kernel
[21:12] <_XMENDES> my only problem now is the reader .. ccid reader for smartcards
[21:12] <zykotick9> PatrickC: you have a grub issue.
[21:12] <zykotick9> PatrickC: i'd recommend reinstalling grub from live media.
[21:12] <PatrickC> zykotick9: on a brand new install?
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: your release isn't supported. I keep telling you
[21:13] <Basic> zma are you multi booting 15-16 Linux operating systems
[21:13] <zma> ActionParsnip: Well, maybe for reporting bug. I just want to know if there is some way to generate new GRUB2 menu from scratch, like first deleting something manually and then running update-grub2 command
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> Basic: some 3rd party thing has bothed the config
[21:13] <tuxmatt> ActionParsnip,  how long have you been in here
[21:13] <zma> Basic: No, I have 5 Linuxes and one Windows
[21:13] <_XMENDES> look the error log.
[21:13] <_XMENDES> javax.persistence.PersistenceException: org.hibernate.exception.GenericJDBCException: could not get or update next value
[21:13] <_XMENDES> 	at org.hibernate.ejb.AbstractEntityManagerImpl.throwPersistenceException(AbstractEntityManagerImpl.java:630)
[21:13] <_XMENDES> 	at org.hibernate.ejb.AbstractEntityManagerImpl.merge(AbstractEntityManagerImpl.java:237)
[21:13] <_XMENDES> 	at br.gov.sp.fazenda.dsge.model.dao.DSGEBaseDAO.update(DSGEBaseDAO.java:78)
[21:13] <_XMENDES> 	at br.gov.sp.fazenda.dsen.model.business.PropriedadeBusiness.alterarPropriedade(PropriedadeBusiness.java:34)
[21:13] <FloodBot1> _XMENDES: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:13] <PatrickC> !nopaste
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> tuxmatt: bit less than an hour
[21:13] <ki7rw> i want to change the interface to spanish but spanish is greyed out
[21:14] <PatrickC> !paste _XMENDES
[21:14] <zykotick9> zma: other then the "Grub Customizer" that i have 0 idea what it changed.  just running "sudo update-grub" does create a new file by default!
[21:14] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: something i can try to help you with?
[21:14] <tuxmatt> ActionParsnip,  was it this full when you come in here
[21:14] <PatrickC> ugh...
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> zma: what were you using the customiser to achieve exactly?
[21:14] <black_> any other ideas TJ- ?
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> black_: contact the kernel maintainer, or (easier) use the official kernel for Precise.
[21:14] <_XMENDES> first line on error log: javax.persistence.PersistenceException: org.hibernate.exception.GenericJDBCException: could not get or update next value
[21:14] <ki7rw> gerbilcabbageh: i'm unable to change the language in 12.04 despite following instructions at http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/17528/change-the-user-interface-language-in-ubuntu/
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: you aren't supported here
[21:14] <ki7rw> i want to change the interface to spanish but spanish is greyed out
[21:15] <TJ-> black_: you have some kind of custom kernel and configuration that is breaking expected behaviour
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: its like calling microsoft support and asking for help with Windows 96
[21:15] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: what version ubuntu have you?
[21:15] <ki7rw> 12.04
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: they won't support you
[21:15] <zykotick9> !es | ki7rw: personally, i'd ask here.
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: your release is DEAD
[21:15] <zma> zykotick9: Grub Customizer ended up modifying /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober_proxy file. update-grub2 works based on that file, so it's not creating from scratch but based on modified conf files.
[21:15] <zykotick9> zma: right.  so i can't help you.  good luck.
[21:15] <tuxmatt> ActionParsnip, yea but we shoud hep people with diff linux he may run a diff linux kernerl but we are still family here
[21:16] <ki7rw> ubottu: i don't speak spanish - my wife does though
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> tuxmatt: we can only support the packages from the repos here
[21:16] <ki7rw> oops
[21:16] <HeadlessZombie> i think ubuntu-offtopic would be more appropriate
[21:16] <_XMENDES> 10.10 is better for me man.. give a chance.. pls
[21:16] <tuxmatt> ActionParsnip,  yea i know but if someone is having a software problem they shoud get support
[21:16] <zma> ActionParsnip: My original use case was just to try Grub Customizer to rename some entries. I wasn't careful for having backup of conf files or anything :(
[21:16] <ki7rw> HeadlessZombie: who are you talking to?
[21:16] <HeadlessZombie> support for older Ubuntu
[21:16] <zykotick9> tuxmatt: only repository software is supported in #ubuntu channel.
[21:17] <black_> brb reboot
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> zma: I don't have /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober_proxy    have you tried moving it to $HOME to see if the isuue goes?
[21:17] <usr13> tuxmatt: Help for an EOL system is to upgrade.
[21:17] <ki7rw> 12.04 is the latest isn't it?
[21:17] <black_> i have the default kernal...i found a guide im try real fast
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> ki7rw: latest stable, yes
[21:18] <tuxmatt> zykotick9,  like a software problem becouse ubuntu is bassed of debian and linuxmint is based off debian why cant we help people in that cal
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> !ops | _XMENDES I told you, you wouldn't listen
[21:18] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: for now it is yes :)
[21:18] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: re:zma (assuming an ubuntu package) i'd think purging "grub customizer" COULD/MIGHT do a world of good?
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> zykotick9: likely, not sure what file sit puts where
[21:18] <rob_p> ki7rw: If it's greyed out, that probably means you need to install that language pack.
[21:19] <ki7rw> rob_p: a bunch of packages were installed for spanish
[21:19] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: i'd believe zma, that G-C modifies the scripts grub2 uses to "update-grub"... world of hurt IMO
[21:19] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: have you moved the spanish to the top of the list? or do you want to do something else?
[21:19] <ki7rw> gerbilcabbagehai: it's greyed out so i can't do that
[21:20] <rob_p> ki7rw: System Settings --> Language Support --> Install/Remove Languages
[21:20] <tuxmatt> any one need help
[21:21] <rob_p> ki7rw: After that, select the language you want to install...
[21:21] <ki7rw> rob_p: already did that
[21:21] <zykotick9> tuxmatt: you don't have to ask.  just wait for an issue you are interested in to be asked by someone.
[21:21] <ki7rw> language is still greyed out
[21:22] <NcA> hey all,
[21:22] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: you have to click and drag it to the top
[21:22] <NcA> any reccommendations for a parallel ssh client on Ubuntu?
[21:23] <NcA> need to run commands on 5+ servers simultaneously
[21:23] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw:  you can do so, even if it is greyed out
[21:23] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: sudo modprobe ndiswrapper gives me nothing, in the Windows Wireless Drivers GUI however it says that the hardware is plugged in and ready to use
[21:23] <MonkeyDust> NcA  better ask in #ubuntu-server
[21:23] <NcA> MonkeyDust: thx, I'll give it a shot
[21:24] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: working for you?
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: read the guides. Seems to have a native driver
[21:25] <Basic> ki7rw there a tool called bleach bit will clear all that spanish for you
[21:25] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: Alright I will read it now
[21:25] <rob_p> ki7rw: Strange... perhaps you need to refresh your session (logout/login)... dunno...
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> ki7rw: try localepurge too
[21:26] <HazemShaf3y> Hello.
[21:27] <gerbilcabbagehai> its greyed out on mine too, if you only click on it, it will stay grey. if you move it to the top of the list above english it will become black (active)
[21:28] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: let me know if this works for you.
[21:28] <HazemShaf3y> WHo do I talk to about an issue?
[21:28] <gerbilcabbagehai> just ask HazemShaf3y
[21:28] <black_> welp that failed
[21:29] <HazemShaf3y> Okay. I've just installed Ubuntu 12.04 LTS about an hour ago, I'm dual booting along with Windows 7 64 bit. I'm using HP DV6 Laptop, which has the AMD Catalyst Switchable Graphics thing, so everytime I use Ubuntu, it automatically chooses the High Graphics card, which drains battery in minutes. Is there anyway I could set Ubuntu to use only low graphics card, since I won't need the High Graphics card mode for gaming on Ubuntu.
[21:31] <_XMENDES> how i install sun java??
[21:31] <_XMENDES> not oracle java.
[21:31] <lnxslck> _XMENDES, OPENJDK ?
[21:31] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: oracle bought sun
[21:31] <_XMENDES> sun java web starts
[21:32] <_XMENDES> i search on web.. this program only use sun java.
[21:32] <_XMENDES> not oracle
[21:32] <gerbilcabbagehai> archive?
[21:33] <_XMENDES> Sun JAva (tm) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture dependet files)
[21:33] <_XMENDES> how install?
[21:33] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: java = java. Oracle bought up Sun. Unless you are wanting an earlier version of java, just use oracles.
[21:34] <L3top> Oracle bought sun java _XMENDES. Oracle java IS Sun java.
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: in Maverick you won't be able to install much
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: nor is your release supported here
[21:36] <leaftwig> Thank you please how do I make out which driver runs my wifi?
[21:36] <_XMENDES> i tryng make works a program of fiscal notes...
[21:36] <_XMENDES> i dont wanna use windows anymore..
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: your release is EOL, so is offtopic. What part of this are you not getting?
[21:37] <_XMENDES> eol?
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> !eol | _XMENDES
[21:37] <_XMENDES> whats eol man?
[21:38] <_XMENDES> tks.. will search there..
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: maverick is dead, literally zero support anywhere, anytime
[21:38] <patr|ck> what am i missing (with ubuntu-restricted-extras being installed) when some *.avi files wont play?
[21:38] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: is there any reason why you arent upgrading to 12.04?
[21:39] <melkor> how do I disable 'tap to click' on the touch pad?
[21:39] <_XMENDES> action.. i told you man... i tried 12.04 for 3 months.. my old station not work with this..
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> melkor: mouse settings maybe
[21:39] <melkor> ActionParsnip: no options there for the touchpad.
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: doesnt make maverick supported
[21:39] <_XMENDES> i use on this pc .. a vcard nvidia mx4400
[21:39] <_XMENDES> ehhehehe
[21:39] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: is there some help we can give you to make 12.04 work for you?
[21:40] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: I wrote you a pm because I ran into trouble, trying to follow the manual you gave me.
[21:40] <_XMENDES> i tried install nvidia card on 12.04
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> melkor: what is the output of: lsb_release -sc     please
[21:40] <_XMENDES> but is not supported too
[21:40] <L3top> 1004 still has support for now _XMENDES
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: i don't support in PM
[21:40] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: so it's a graphical issue that is stopping you from upgrading?
[21:40] <_XMENDES> yé.
[21:40] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: Ok I will copy it here wait a second
[21:41] <_XMENDES> :D
[21:41] <melkor> ActionParsnip: No LSB modules are available.
[21:41] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: Because I dont have an internet connection on ubuntu I downloaded the dkms and git packages in order to install them on ubuntu. However Im unsure how to deal with steps 2 and 3 under "Driver" from the link you gave me (http://wiki.debian.org/acx). I guess I need an internet connection to do this but I dont have an ethernet cable or the like.
[21:41] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: Do you know why it isn't working? you said you used it for 3 months. what changed?
[21:42] <_XMENDES> i use with Vcard off..
[21:42] <_XMENDES> compiz not works ..
[21:42] <gerbilcabbagehai> what card do you want to have?
[21:42] <usr13> _XMENDES: So don't use compiz
[21:43] <_XMENDES> but my problem now .. is with a java program... not with the OS
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> melkor: grep -i code /etc/lsb-release      what is output please?
[21:43] <ClientAlive> I wonder if anyone has had success running osx as a vm on ubuntu, on a pc, using vmware... ? pm me or something.
[21:43] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: it is indeed with the os. and with the release. if you don't upgrade you will struggle to get help AND struggle to get things installed.
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> ClientAlive: i'd ask in #vbox
[21:44] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: I encourage you to find a way to upgrade, or change something that you are doing so that it works for you
[21:44] <melkor> DISTRIB_CODENAME=precise
[21:44] <melkor> ActionParsnip:
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> melkor: http://askubuntu.com/questions/161420/disabling-one-finger-tap-to-click-but-keep-two-finger-tap-ubuntu-12-04
[21:44] <usr13> _XMENDES: See:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> melkor: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1457053
[21:45] <ClientAlive> ActionParsnip: I'll give it a shot. I use vmware tho, so maybe #vmware - idk
[21:45] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: is there something with the process of changing thinking so that you can upgrade that i could help you with?
[21:46] <_XMENDES> im trying some new here.. wait ;)
[21:46] <xibalba> how do i specify a single threaded app run on a specific processor?
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> ClientAlive: sure
[21:47] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: maybe there is an alternative to what you are trying to achieve? A different tool for the same result e.g. if compiz doesn't work for you, learn to do without or use a different tool. :)
[21:47] <usr13> _XMENDES: If you look at  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases  you see that you have some choices.  10.04, 11.10 & 12.04
[21:47] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: Any advice?
[21:47] <xibalba> nevermind it loaded it to the 2nd proc automatically
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: try Lubuntu 12.04 and I bet you are fine
[21:47] <_XMENDES> look.. ive trying install this..
[21:47] <_XMENDES> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 072f:90cc Advanced Card Systems, Ltd ACR38 SmartCard Read
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: there is a native driver, those pages are all I know
[21:48] <_XMENDES> that is my problem :(
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> _XMENDES: so is running maverick which moots it
[21:48] <usr13> _XMENDES: I would suggest trying the Alternate CD (12.04)
[21:48] <jrib> xibalba: use taskset
[21:48] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: in the future to help you get along with this community and get the support you need, try to only install the LTS versions of Ubuntu. In this case 10.04, 11.04, or 12.04.
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> gerbilcabbagehai: 11.04 isnt LTS
[21:49] <gerbilcabbagehai> sorry my mistake
[21:49] <_XMENDES> its all configured guys. :(
[21:49]  * ActionParsnip will be glad when Natty dies off
[21:49] <usr13> gerbilcabbagehai: LTS is a 2 year cycle.
[21:49] <melkor> xinput doesn't seem to find a touchpad
[21:49] <Chris123> ActionParsnip: By native driver do you mean the linux driver for the stick? Because this doesnt work anymore.
[21:50] <morgan> how do I do metacity --replace and then compiz --replace without breaking stuff D:
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> Chris123: its a native driver for the chip inside the stick, but yes
[21:51] <black_> i dont get it, i cant get this probox to work on linux.
[21:51] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: this is as far as I will help you. If you are willing to upgrade or change version, then we can help you further.
[21:51] <melkor> Is there a way to find out what hardware my computer thinks the touchpad is?
[21:51] <_XMENDES> ok... u ready sad this :)
[21:52] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: Yeap. :)
[21:53] <_XMENDES> reebot.. se ya
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> finally
[21:55]  * gerbilcabbagehai gives parsnip a carrot
[21:56] <melkor> I guess Ill work on it later, it appears that xinput isn't going to cut it, the prop isn't there.
[21:57] <melkor> synclient says no driver loaded so I don't think I have a driver for this touchpad and it is just treated as a mouse.
[21:58] <gerbilcabbagehai> my server room is cold. how do i get ssh working on this live cd (laptop) to my server (deks box) so i can go to a warmer room?
[21:58] <gerbilcabbagehai> *desk box
[22:00] <black_> install openssh
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> gerbilcabbagehai: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[22:02] <gerbilcabbagehai> i probably already have it on the server. installed with all options enabled. Now I just need to configure and remember how to log in
[22:03] <morgan> Hello, what is the correcty way to do metacity --replace, then run my playonlinux program, then when done, do compiz --replace ? everything seems to crash and I can't do compiz --replace
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> gerbilcabbagehai: ssh username@server
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> morgan: I've used a script for that
[22:04] <gerbilcabbagehai> just generated a public key. continuing.
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> gerbilcabbagehai: if its for the liveCD, using a key is a tad excessive don't you think?
[22:05] <black_> weird, in 10.04 probox 4 bay encosure works fine, 12.04 is dead
[22:06] <gerbilcabbagehai> ActionParsnip: sorry for the confusion, the server is a box, permanent installation. My laptop is the livecd and will be logging INTO my server via ssh.
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> black_: are there any bugs reported?
[22:06] <black_> none i can find
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> gerbilcabbagehai: ahhh I see
[22:06] <morgan> i guess the problem I'm having is the terminal is staying attached to the process??? and I'm not exiting the terminal correctly
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> black_: is it ok with other distos like Suse / Mandriva / Puppy?
[22:07] <black_> i wouldnt waste a CD on Suse, mandrake or puppy
[22:08] <black_> i dont even know if ubuntu 12.04 supports my eSATA cord.
[22:08] <black_> card*
[22:09] <gerbilcabbagehai> ActionParsnip: Ahaha! I'm amazing. I just hacked myself...oh wait.
[22:09] <imadam> Hello folks, for some reason ubuntu 12.04 wont detect my screen, is this an issue with my video card?
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> black_: then use USB....no wastage. Suprised you use CDs still
[22:10] <gerbilcabbagehai> imadam: what video card?
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> imadam: which video chip?
[22:10] <zykotick9> black_: fyi, my esata cable is NOT hot pluggable - meaning i have to reboot for it to appear (fyi it usually appears as sda, in my case).  A FEW motherboards support eSATA hotplugging, i get the impression most do not :(  best of luck.
[22:10] <imadam> Can't find the full name as I can't boot the system, although its a nvidia.
[22:11] <rhizmoe> if i have a symlink to a directory in my home directory, ~/foo -> /tmp/foo say, when I cd to ~/foo I'd like the path to be /tmp/foo rather than ~/foo, is there a way to cd into the destination of the symlink rather than pwd showing the symlink itself.
[22:11] <black_> my motherboard dont support prot multiplying
[22:11] <zykotick9> !nomodeset | imadam are you currently using this?
[22:11] <black_> so i cant use eSATA
[22:11] <imadam> any advice, was working like normal for a few days now my screen just wont detect.
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> imadam: try the boot option: nouveau.blacklist=1
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> imadam: did you install the nvidia proprietary driver?
[22:12] <zykotick9> imadam: nomodeset only applies for nvidia (and possibly ati) cards.
[22:12] <imadam> ActionParsnip nope I didn't,
[22:12] <imadam> ActionParsnip Just can't boot now, nothing will load on my screen.
[22:12] <morgan> mmmm nope that wasn't it lol
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> imadam: try the nouveau.blacklist=1 option
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> imadam: hold SHIFT at boot is a start
[22:13] <black_> ive even tried rebooting with USB and eSATA, still nothing
[22:13] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: from a livecd?  isn't it press a key at the first opportunity?
[22:13] <imadam> ActionParsnip would it work if I just do a fresh install via cd then insall the driver?
[22:13] <ActionParsnip> zykotick9: i think both fly, not sure tbh
[22:14] <zykotick9> imadam: oh is it installed already?
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> imadam: sure but you already have the install. If you boot to root recovery mode you can just run:  sudo apt-get install nvidia-current      and it will install
[22:14] <zykotick9> imadam: if it's installed, use ActionParsnip "shift" at boot suggestion to edit grub (to test - it's only 1 time if you edit it that way)
[22:15] <imadam> zykotick9 ActionParsnip: Thanks guys, I believe I access my boot menu via DEL tho.
[22:15] <imadam> Will try this suggestion. Was just odd it stopped working.
[22:15] <zykotick9> imadam: it's not BIOS, but GRUB we want!
[22:15] <imadam> Oh got you!
[22:16] <imadam> Will try now and let you know how I get on. Thanks!
[22:16] <zykotick9> imadam: and it's HOLD shift after BIOS
[22:16] <black_> well 12.04 dont support my probox 4-bay
[22:16] <imadam> zykotick9 I'm not even getting BIOS at boot.
[22:16] <ki7rw> gerbilcabbagehai: i was able to move it to the top, apply systemwide, loged out/in but it didn't take
[22:16] <zykotick9> imadam: in that case, it's not an #ubuntu issue.  just sayin'
[22:17] <imadam> Was thinking that, it may be an issue with my videocard.
[22:17] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: do you have admin privileges?
[22:17] <ki7rw> yes
[22:17] <morgan> what causes people to turn blue on youtube videos in chromium? wtf
[22:17] <zykotick9> imadam: if you computer isn't POSTING perhaps ##hardware could help?
[22:18] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw:   so you CAN change the language but it wont stay changed?
[22:18] <imadam> I'm going to try replacing my videocard with the one on my other system and see if that does the job. Wish me luck!
[22:18] <gerbilcabbagehai> imadam: see you soon :)
[22:18] <Guest50040> hey guys.. i get it..
[22:18] <imadam> Thanks guys.
[22:18] <Guest50040> got it.
[22:19] <zykotick9> ki7rw: aren't you the spanish issue?  why not ask in !ubuntu-es i'm sure they're more familiar with the process then #ubuntu.  or is the language not for you?
[22:19] <gerbilcabbagehai> _XMENDES: got what good sir?
[22:19] <_XMENDES> got it. my problem was a database permission problem
[22:19] <ki7rw> gerbilcabbagehai: that's correct
[22:20] <gerbilcabbagehai> zykotick9: he can change the language but it wont stay changed. any ideas?
[22:20] <zykotick9> ki7rw: "wife does" ignore me.
[22:20] <ki7rw> zykotick9: i don't speak spanish
[22:20] <_XMENDES> a half our late i was here.. and now.. i got resolv my problem in ubuntu 10.10 eheheheheh
[22:20] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: no idea.
[22:20] <ki7rw> well, i speak some spanish
[22:20] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: what profile are you changing the language under?
[22:21] <ki7rw> the wife's account
[22:21] <gerbilcabbagehai> ki7rw: does she have admin privileges?
[22:21] <_XMENDES> ki7rw ... talk spanish with me.. and i translate if u want
[22:21] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: i doubt sudo would/should matter.
[22:21] <ki7rw> gerbilcabbagehai: she's sudo
[22:21] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: s/sudo/sudo access
[22:22] <bkerensa> !offtopic | _XMENDES
[22:22] <gerbilcabbagehai> i would physically try it myself, but i dont want to lose this livesession sorry
[22:22] <black_> why would probox external be supported on 10.10 but not on 12.04
[22:23] <gerbilcabbagehai> black_: something removed from the repo maybe?
[22:23] <zykotick9> ki7rw: the problem (as i see it).  possibly, you could change the entire system to spanish (which i don't think you want), or you need the setting to be user specific AND stay through restart ;)  best of luck man.
[22:24] <smj> how can I open a remote desktop via SSH in to a window?
[22:24] <gerbilcabbagehai> smj: ssh name@server
[22:25] <smj> gerbilcabbagehai: I mean X11 desktop in a window
[22:25] <gerbilcabbagehai> then start x I would think. i know how to do the terminal ssh, but the x11 is a new one for me
[22:25] <smj> remote Xfce4, in a window.
[22:25] <ki7rw> zykotick9: i had her seesion set up for spanish when i had mandriva installed but since mandriva doesn't have adequate support i changed all my pc's to ubuntu - anyway, it should have been a "slam-dunk" to set her up on ubuntu
[22:25] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: you don't run startx with ssh X forwarding!
[22:26] <gerbilcabbagehai> see?
[22:26] <gerbilcabbagehai> :D
[22:26] <zykotick9> ki7rw: sorry man, i've NEVER had to change my language from english (aka C) ;)
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> smj: what do you intend to do on the remote system?
[22:27] <Ironsight> If you want a remote x11 desktop over the network, check out vnc
[22:27] <ki7rw> ok, i'll keep "hacking" away until i get it working or break stuff
[22:28] <smj> ActionParsnip: nothing really, I'm just exploring
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> smj: gotcha, nothing bad there
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> !vnc | smj
[22:29] <smj> does that require extra server software on the server-side?
[22:29] <zykotick9> smj: fyi you need to use "ssh -X user@server" to use X forwarding, but that allows you to open a single application, not the entire destktop.  fyi, you can run/tunnel vnc over ssh somehow (don't ask me, i've never done it - remote desktop makes no sense to me, with Xforwarding being a possibility - YES sometime a gui app is handy remotely ;)
[22:30] <visitor000> i want to add some startup parameter to it to run forever
[22:30] <zykotick9> smj: also you ssh server must have X-forwarding enabled for above to work!
[22:31] <visitor000> the /etc/init.d/mysqld script is a linkt o /lib/init/upstart-job
[22:31] <smj> I have X-forwarding enabled, but I don't like the way it mixes with the local desktop environmetn
[22:31] <visitor000> wher is the actual script? i want to add some startup parameters; namely set LD_PRELOAD=
[22:31] <zykotick9> visitor000: good luck - you're going to need it.  hope you find an answer/solution.
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> smj: what's fun is running audio apps via ssh -X and then playing sound. The audio comes out of the server but the playback is controlled on the client
[22:32] <visitor000> zykotick9: i'm really used with debian so presumed it'd be there, that's why :)
[22:32] <visitor000> rykotick9: can you please tell in what script the actual mysqld start sequence is?
[22:32] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: if anyone was ever sitting at your computer, imagine the fun of ssh+espeak ;)
[22:33] <gerbilcabbagehai> zykotick9: "Oi! YOU! noooo!"
[22:33] <gerbilcabbagehai> zykotick9: or "I don't think so Dave."
[22:34] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: "I don't think so Dave." awesome-sauce!
[22:34] <gerbilcabbagehai> !awesome-sauce
[22:35] <visitor000> zykotick9: suggestion? :)
[22:35] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: sorry, if you're unfamiliar - it means "nice/good/excellent"
[22:35] <zykotick9> visitor000: nope... good luck.
[22:35] <gerbilcabbagehai> zykotick9: I know. I was just curious if ubottu knew that. it seems she doesn't
[22:36] <zykotick9> gerbilcabbagehai: "she" nice!
[22:36] <gerbilcabbagehai> "she" who must be obeyed. Cough. sorry for offtopic.
[22:36] <zykotick9> !msgthebot > gerbilcabbagehai
[22:39] <gerbilcabbagehai> if im logged in via ssh, it is as if I were at the keyboard correct?
[22:40] <LarsN> I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but is there a default keyboard shortcut to switch between the four virtual desktops in Unity?  And, where would I view the default shortcuts &/or make changes to them?
[22:40] <LarsN> which I guess is a series of potentially dumb questions.
[22:41] <AcE_punK> who can advice me a little about partition sizes I am gonna install over entire HDD?
[22:41] <gerbilcabbagehai> LarsN: the only dumb question is one that is not asked.
[22:41] <AcE_punK>  anybody up to Partitioning?
[22:41] <zykotick9> !anyone | AcE_punK
[22:41] <LarsN> gerbilcabbagehai: :)  that's right up there with my belief "You don't get, if you don't ask"
[22:42] <zykotick9> AcE_punK: don't reply to me!  i'm not ;)
[22:42] <AcE_punK>  zykotick9 : I'm not your type moron
[22:42] <dcs_> i'm migrating to a new machine and i want to use the dd function via network. can this be done while using my old machine without disrupting anything as i work?
[22:43] <zykotick9> AcE_punK: "moron" really?
[22:43] <gerbilcabbagehai> AcE_punK: nice way to ask for help...lol
[22:43] <LarsN> AcE_punK: I find the defaults to be acceptable for how I use the system.  ~ 50g for / 4-16g swap and the rest to /home
[22:43] <gerbilcabbagehai> LarsN: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html
[22:43] <LarsN> AcE_punK: your requirements might require a different layout of course.
[22:43] <LarsN> gerbilcabbagehai: many thanks
[22:43] <HeadlessZombie> dcs_ no
[22:44] <LarsN> gerbilcabbagehai: this is my first time actually attempting to use Unity for more than a way to replace it. :)
[22:44] <gerbilcabbagehai> LarsN: also this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KeyboardShortcuts
[22:44] <LarsN> perfet
[22:44] <LarsN> perfect..
[22:44] <dcs_> HeadlessZombie: thanks for the short and to-the-point answer
[22:44] <odinsban1> Odd the alps touchpad bug seems to have been taken care of, but now it doesn't work. Maybe I have too new of a kernel?
[22:44] <AcE_punK> I'm gonna install a system with these paritions: /boot, /, /var, /tmp, /usr. But cannot consider sizes..I have 97 G of free space. thanks
[22:46] <gerbilcabbagehai> AcE_punK: for what reasons are you partitioning?
[22:46] <Nathandim> Have you considered to let them all in one place?
[22:46] <AcE_punK> and /swap of course, but swap and usr is not important
[22:46] <LarsN> AcE_punK: well, it strongly depends on what you're doing to do with the system.  if it's a database host you likely need a much larger /var than if its not.  /home is likely important if it's a desktop.  Kind of hard to answer without a complete picture.
[22:46] <Nathandim> ugh new updates that want restart
[22:48] <LarsN> AcE_punK: my system has 32g / -- 8g swap -- 1g /boot -- and the rest of the 96gb SSD in /home
[22:48] <LarsN> it's a general use laptop :/
[22:48] <AcE_punK> I'll install KDM afterwards..so /usr is important and I'll leave the rest of free space to it. But the more important part is root, var and temporary storage partitions..and I think 512 K is enough for boot. swap can be satisfied with 4G i guess(core i5 ) ..what do you think?
[22:51] <jack_> ciao
[22:52] <HeadlessZombie> ciaobella
[22:52] <AcE_punK> i heard giving boot more storage than it needs can be sluggish, moreover I've 23G /, 70 G /usr, 3.7 G /swap and 476M boot space in the current Quantal..I'm reinstalling system..I'll be using for mostly networking purposes and softwaer developing..so what do ya thnk?
[22:54] <gypsy_blood> idk honestly..im still working on the basics lol
[22:55] <AcE_punK> I'm stucked in the partitioning menu..cannot decide :|
[22:55] <gypsy_blood> are you dual booting?
[22:55] <visitor000> in mysql's default install on ubuntu, how do i add some startup parameters to mysqld??
[22:56] <AcE_punK> sth like it, I've 601G of NTFS partition
[22:57] <HeadlessZombie> http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/aunix1/partitioning.htm
[22:57] <gerbilcabbagehai> visitor000: does this help? http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/mysqld_safe.1.html
[22:58] <usr13> AcE_punK: I think it is only important to have separate /home/   So, that would mean 3 partitions for Ubuntu, swap /home/ and /
[22:58] <usr13> AcE_punK: So you have 601G to use for Ubuntu?
[22:58] <gerbilcabbagehai> visitor000: you'll want to change the version to your setup of course
[22:59] <usr13> AcE_punK: If that is correct, I would suggest, 8G swap, 20G /  and the rest for /home/
[22:59] <AcE_punK> usr13: Nah. it's an external storage. I can use 97G of HDD for installation.
[23:00] <xibalba> .
[23:00] <usr13> AcE_punK: Ok:  8G for swap, 10G /  and rest for /home/
[23:00] <HeadlessZombie> depends on what you use the comp for. its very easy to exceed 20gb in "/"
[23:00] <usr13> AcE_punK: Ok:  8G for swap, 20G /  and rest for /home/
[23:00] <usr13> AcE_punK:    correction   ^^^^\
[23:00] <visitor000> gerbilcabbegehai: hm. is this really a recommended way of running mysql? for instance, how do i shut down mysql cleanly if having started it with mysql_safe?
[23:01] <AcE_punK> usr13: but if you have an experience in it, gimme advice in this layout: -boot, root, swap, var, tmp, usr(not important )
[23:01] <gerbilcabbagehai> visitor000: i dont know that sorry
[23:01] <HeadlessZombie> i use lampp or xampp
[23:01] <gerbilcabbagehai> visitor000: http://serverfault.com/questions/167497/restart-mysqld-with-a-command-line-parameter-on-ubuntu-10-04 ?
[23:01] <HeadlessZombie> lampp = linux apache mysql php & perl
[23:02] <usr13> AcE_punK: It's up to you.  I have given my advise:  8G swap,  20G /  &  the rest for /home/
[23:03] <AcE_punK> usr13: it's for random users, give me some insight of yours of my layout, please
[23:03] <usr13> AcE_punK: If you really want to separate more, you can, but in my opinion, that's all you need to do.  There is good reason to have /home/ on a separate partition, but the rest is ok to be lumped together.
[23:03] <usr13> AcE_punK:  This is the way I always do it.
[23:03] <usr13> AcE_punK: and in that order.
[23:04] <AcE_punK> usr13: how much should I give boot partition?
[23:05] <AcE_punK> usr13: I have 476M for now but i think it is useless..512 is OK, right?
[23:05] <ThePendulum1> Could anyone give me a hand setting up a connection over broadband using my phone?
[23:05] <AcE_punK> usr13: 512K
[23:06] <usr13> AcE_punK: Ok.  Alternative:  8G swap, 200M boot, 20G /   & the rest for /home/
[23:07] <HSaka> Hello, I'm haveing problem with getting stuck at partion, or when the installer starts. It's been stuck there for few hours.
[23:07] <usr13> AcE_punK: How's that?
[23:08] <AcE_punK> usr13: giving double size of Random access memory is no more recommended in core i series processors, I jave i5..and 4G of RAm..is 4G OK for swap space?
[23:08] <usr13> AcE_punK: Ok.  Alternative:  4G swap, 200M boot, 20G /   & the rest for /home/
[23:09] <AcE_punK> usr13: i mean i can give 8 G swap, but why would I waste it?..and why 200 M of boot? does it affect anything else than booting?
[23:10] <usr13> AcE_punK: It's up to you.  (But I like to give extra space.  for instance, 100M is enough for boot, I suggest 200M, 4M is enough for swap, I recommend 8M)
[23:10] <usr13> AcE_punK: The thing you really want is to leave as much as possible for /home/
[23:11] <nerg> hey, I just installed ubuntu 12 and am using gnome-shell (gnome3), and when I click my "applications" button the menu only shows 4 items at a time and makes me scroll to see everything else
[23:11] <usr13> AcE_punK: I stand by my original recommendation.
[23:11] <duhh> what command what i use to update the time?
[23:11] <nerg> the "places" button doesnt do this, does anyone know how I can fix this?
[23:11] <L1> I'm using gnome-classic with some compiz stuff enabled (wobbly windows etc). When I drag a window to the edge of the screen it "snaps" to that edge (drag to right edge of screen, it fills 50% of screen on the right). This is useful MOST of the time, but is there a hotkey I can hold while dragging to cancel the snap before I release my mouse?
[23:12] <AcE_punK> usr13: what else swap will be doing than hibernation? i don't hibernate that much..i got the point of /home partition, i'll leave the rest of the disk space..but i stil wonder how much should I leave for /var and /tmp separately?
[23:13] <usr13> AcE_punK: Do you really think you need separate partitions for /var and /tmp?
[23:13] <usr13> (I don't.)
[23:13] <usr13> AcE_punK: As for swap:  Do you know what MS Windows calls Virtual Memory?  (That is what swap does.)
[23:14] <smj> I got Xfce4 running on Xnest
[23:14] <usr13> AcE_punK: swap is not just for hibernation or sleep mode.  There is more to it than that.
[23:15] <AcE_punK> usr13: what else can it do?
[23:16] <jasc> I hoping s/one cane help me out. For some reason I'm only able to connect to the ubuntu irc (this one). All the others I've attempted to connect to fails.
[23:17] <L1> jasc: Other channels on Freenode? Or other netwrosk than freenode?
[23:18] <smj> Xnest is a bit slow
[23:18] <jasc> other networks on freenode i believe. Such as Debian...  which is first on the list
[23:19] <AcE_punK> usr13:  i think i must think a bit more about partitioning aftermath, since this will be my long term operating system..but i'll consider your 200M of boot space))
[23:19] <usr13> AcE_punK: swap is as the name implies, an area to swap files back and forth to and from.  Sort of like RAM but it is on the hard drive.  As you work on larg files, these large files may first be loaded into RAM but may be shifted to swap as you and your PC performs other tasks.  The OS makes these decisions in the background.
[23:19] <jrib> jasc: what exactly are you attempting to do, how exactly are you attempting to do it, and what exactly happens in the end?
[23:20] <L1> jasc: What happens, for example,  when you type in "/join #debian" (without the quotes)
[23:21] <usr13> AcE_punK: When there is need for geater speed, RAM is used, when speed is not so important, swap is used so that more of your RAM can be free for other tasks.
[23:21] <jasc> jrib: i click on one of those on the list, then I click connect. I noticed that all those others connect to port 6667 except for this one.
[23:22] <blackshirt> i think if some process need a lot of memory,
[23:22] <usr13> AcE_punK: See:  https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/8208-all-about-linux-swap-space/
[23:22] <jrib> jasc: what is "one of those on the list"
[23:23] <jasc> jrib: One of the networks, suck as 'Debian Serves' and '2600net'
[23:23] <AcE_punK> usr13: i'll check it up after, see you around
[23:23] <L1> OK so narrowed down my query: Compiz Grid plugin, the Edges feature. Is there a way to assign a keyboard shortcut that when held, will cause the Edge snap to not happen?
[23:23] <jrib> jasc: so do all the ones that fail not use port 6667?
[23:24] <usr13> AcE_punK: Better link:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[23:24] <usr13> AcE_punK: Ok
[23:25] <usr13> AcE_punK: My original recommendation still stands.
[23:25] <pizzadude> hey can anyone help me? my lifecam vx-2000 webcam isn't working in cheese anymore. it works in guvcview but it skips.
[23:25] <pizzadude> here is the post on askubuntu with the output http://askubuntu.com/questions/191146/microsoft-lifecam-vx-2000-doesnt-work-anymore-in-cheese
[23:25] <usr13> AcE_punK:   8G swap,  20G /  &  the rest for /home/
[23:26] <jasc> jrib: no, those that fail use port 6667
[23:26] <morgan> I still can't get this to work without killing everything :( How do I correctly do metacity --replace and then compiz --replace ?
[23:26] <blackshirt> 8gb for swap...that was big
[23:26] <usr13> blackshirt: Yep
[23:26] <gurjeet> On 12.04, my DNS seems to die every now and then.
[23:26] <usr13> blackshirt: Sure is.  But if you got it, why not use it?
[23:27] <blackshirt> gurjeet, why you say that?
[23:27] <usr13> blackshirt: Is he really gonna miss  4G?
[23:27] <jasc> L1: when i typed the /join #debian command I got connected
[23:28] <gurjeet> If I wget google.com, I get 'cpould not resolve' error, but if I do wget <google's IP address> I nicely get the index.html promptly.
[23:28] <usr13> blackshirt: If  4G is good, 8G is better.  (Especially since we have no idea what he may do with this system in the future.
[23:28] <L1> jasc: That joins you to the #debian channel on this server (freenode)
[23:28] <blackshirt> Usr13, i think linux manage memory very eficiently, and sometimes swap was not used mostly
[23:28] <gurjeet> blackshirt: ^^
[23:28] <jrib> jasc: you probably have a firewall issue.  Check your router's settings if you have one
[23:28] <usr13> blackshirt: See:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[23:28] <miraj> gurjeet : are you using BIND as a caching dns? or are you an external DNS server directly?
[23:29] <jasc> jrib: should I open port 6667 or forward it for this to work?
[23:29] <usr13> blackshirt: What about hybernation or sleep mode?
[23:29] <pizzadude> when i run my webcam in cheese and record a video it says "Reason: Media contains no supported video streams." in the terminal output. it used to work, now it just creates a 13kb webm file
[23:29] <blackshirt> usr13, yes, i see .... If the memory big enought, i think maybe better stay on ram ..
[23:30] <morgan> How do I correctly do metacity --replace and then compiz --replace without breaking anything, and running a game inbetween them
[23:30] <blackshirt> usr13, thats typically on desktop version...
[23:30] <miraj> pizzadude : maybe it's because microsoft doesn't want people using linux?
[23:30] <pizzadude> can anyone here help me with this issue?
[23:31] <pizzadude> miraj haha i think it's a problem with a missing package or something
[23:31] <pizzadude> or a conflicting one
[23:31] <gurjeet> miraj, blackshirt : I did not tweak anything about the network until this morning. After faceing this problem, I added'dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8' to /etc/network/interfaces.
[23:31] <gurjeet> and I still get occasional DNS downs.
[23:31] <tuxmatt> hey all :)
[23:32] <miraj> pizzadude : did you delete any packages in-between the times when it worked and now when it doesn't?
[23:32] <datiecher> hey, I'm having some problems compiling pidgin from source on ubuntu 12.04
[23:33] <trism> datiecher: start with: sudo apt-get build-dep pidgin;
[23:33] <datiecher> it's complaining i'm missing glib but i have libglib2.0-dev installed
[23:33] <pizzadude> miraj: i might of, i did install mediubuntu packages though
[23:33] <datiecher> already dit it
[23:33] <datiecher> did*
[23:33] <blackshirt> usr13, for typical desktop usage, with ram 4gb, and swap 8gb, i think that wouldn't mostly used
[23:33] <trism> datiecher: pastebin the exact error
[23:33] <usr13> blackshirt: It's like I told the other guy, 100M is enough for /boot/  but I recommend 200M.   If you have 4G of RAM, 4G is enough for swap, 8G is more than enough.  I like to make sure I'm not short-changing myself or anyone else.  You never know.  Half that swap may never get used, but that one time may mean the difference in not crashing during a critical task.
[23:33] <datiecher> trism: one sec
[23:34] <pizzadude> miraj but that was a while ago, it started not working but i decided to forget about it
[23:34] <miraj> pizzadude : you could check the dependancies for chees and see if you've got them all?
[23:34] <tuxmatt> i give mine 1gb for swap
[23:34] <AaronCampbell> I'm on Ubuntu 12.04, and recently my icons disappeared from the Desktop (the files are still in ~/Desktop), I can't launch a file browser, and running nautilus from the command line results in "Bus error (core dumped)"
[23:34] <datiecher> trism: http://pastebin.com/CbeMWQpS
[23:34] <AaronCampbell> Any idea what might cause this or where I can look for more info on what's wrong?
[23:35] <pizzadude> miraj : i reinstalled cheese... but i'm wondering if mediubuntu has a different version of ffmpeg that is conflicting with cheese
[23:35] <tuxmatt> AaronCampbell,  you may want to install the os
[23:35] <pizzadude> miraj : doesn't sudo apt-get install cheese resolve the dependencies
[23:35] <miraj> pizzadude : that should be easy to check, the specified versions of ffmpeg
[23:36] <trism> datiecher: pastebin the config.log, that isn't really helpful since we have glib 2.32 in precise
[23:36] <AaronCampbell> tuxmatt: Install the OS?
[23:36] <blackshirt> usr13, yes,you were right, but for some critical space disk,thats maybe be bloated...
[23:36] <AaronCampbell> Do you mean I'm missing some kind of dependency for Nautilus?
[23:37] <miraj> pizzadude : have you tried a different webcam to make sure it's not hardware related?
[23:37] <pizzadude> miraj : where do i find cheese's dependencies including the version of ffmpeg it uses if it uses it
[23:37] <pizzadude> miraj : someone bought me the same webcam and i tried it and it has the same issue
[23:37] <datiecher> trism: here it is: http://pastebin.com/6jy2RSqD
[23:37] <maicod> hi I'm struggling to disable automount and autoopen on ubuntu 12.04.1 . I tried dconf-editor and unchecked the apropriate boxes under org/gnome/media handling but automount keeps working for my USB drives . what can be wrong ?
[23:37] <usr13> blackshirt: Do you remember, (a few years ago),  we did everything on a system with < 1M RAM? And a few years before that, someone said that he didn't see why anyone would ever need more that 512k?  :):):):)
[23:38] <miraj> pizzadude : maybe trying a different brand of webcam could rule out microsoft-is-evil :)
[23:38] <usr13> ... back to the future .....
[23:39] <pizzadude> miraj : i'll wait until i get some money and try to buy a new webcam in the coming months and make sure if it doesn't work i can return it
[23:39] <trism> datiecher: what does: pkg-config --cflags --libs glib-2.0; return?
[23:39] <tuxmatt> AaronCampbell,  reinstall ubuntu linux
[23:39] <tuxmatt> AaronCampbell,  i have to reinstall debian on my usb drive
[23:39] <datiecher> trism: -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include  -lglib-2.0
[23:40] <blackshirt> usr13, yes,i know this .... But for sometimes 8 gb was not enought too :d ... Basically that was based on your need
[23:40] <AaronCampbell> tuxmatt: So your solution is basically start over?
[23:40] <trism> datiecher: that looks good, odd, what pidgin version are you compiling
[23:40] <AaronCampbell> Or am I missing something?
[23:41] <tuxmatt> AaronCampbell,  yea man im srry but i dont belive you can fix missing icons on your desktop
[23:41] <datiecher> latest stable one 2.10.6
[23:41] <tuxmatt> brb guys
[23:41] <tuxmatt> AaronCampbell,  make sure that you have the latest kernerl
[23:42] <AaronCampbell> I find that hard to believe
[23:42] <usr13> blackshirt: Ok, well, we could go on and on, (but in #ubuntu-offtopic)
[23:42] <trism> datiecher: I notice PKG_CONFIG_LIBDIR is set, does ./configure work if you first, export PKG_CONFIG_LIBDIR=
[23:42] <miraj> pizzadude : all I can think of is to completely uninstall cheese and then do a fresh install of it
[23:43] <Frowzy> I was having a pretty sweet day up til openoffice deleted a payroll spreadsheet.
[23:43] <datiecher> trism: got the same error running "export PKG_CONFIG_LIBDIR=" and then ./configure again
[23:43] <pizzadude> miraj : i've apt-get purged it and reinstalled it a few times
[23:43] <miraj> pizzadude : maybe delete cheese's config files too?
[23:43] <Frowzy> don't use openoffice, guys. it'll delete stuff. it's a known issue.
[23:43] <pizzadude> miraj : i think it's a mediubuntu problem
[23:44] <blackshirt> usr13, thats right..lets go in
[23:44] <blackshirt> usr13, thats right..lets go on
[23:44] <miraj> pizzadude : you could (as an experiment) delete mediubuntu and see if cheese starts working?
[23:44] <pizzadude> miraj : but deleting mediubuntu won't roll back the packages right
[23:45] <mega1> i have a ubuntu server 10.04 i can conect to it on the network but it wont connect to the internet
[23:45] <pizzadude> miraj : wait i think i found a way to delete mediubuntu
[23:45] <pizzadude> http://askubuntu.com/questions/61974/medibuntu-repository-broke-my-system
[23:46] <miraj> pizzadude : does it work any better in a different usb port?
[23:46] <subcool_> can win8 be installed to unetbootin for installation? i ask because i only have ubuntu on... and asking this kinda question in windows
[23:46] <pizzadude> miraj : nope
[23:46] <pizzadude> miraj : i'm removing mediubuntu,
[23:47] <miraj> pizzadude : if, after a reboot, cheese starts working, you'll have your answer
[23:47] <pizzadude> ugh apt-get update is hanging on 100% Working
[23:48] <pizzadude> oh wait now it's updating now
[23:48] <datiecher> trism: can you point me to any source code  that depends on glib i could try to compile and see if its a pidgin issue or my setup?
[23:49] <trism> datiecher: doesn't seem to be a pidgin issue, I just grabbed the latest upstream source and configured it
[23:50] <malte> Hi...Can someone tell me how the $PATH variable is set BEFORE the local .bashrc file is called?
[23:51] <jrib> malte: why?
[23:51] <datiecher> trism: i'm not familiar with building things from source (web dev here) but this is a freshly installed version of ubuntu 12.04, the only thing i did was run apt-get build-dep pidgin AFAIR
[23:51] <subcool_> SOMEONE!??
[23:52] <subcool_> can win8 be installed to unetbootin for installation? i ask because i only have ubuntu on... and asking this kinda question in windows
[23:52] <datiecher> trism: by latest stable source you meant their hg repo or the 2.10.6 source code?
[23:52] <malte> jrib: because some weird paths are in there everytime a open a new shell. However, these paths do not appear in my .bashrc file, so they have to come from somewhere else.
[23:52] <trism> datiecher: it has got to be some sort of environment issue, since in the config.log it says it can't find the glib-2.0.pc but when you run pkg-config it prints out the correct cflags and libs
[23:52] <creative_x> how can i share files between 2 pcs via network?
[23:53] <trism> datiecher: the tarball of 2.10.6 from the pidgin download page
[23:53] <maicod> hi I'm struggling to disable automount and autoopen on ubuntu 12.04.1 . I tried dconf-editor and unchecked the apropriate boxes under org/gnome/media handling but automount keeps working for my USB drives . what can be wrong ?
[23:53] <pizzadude> miraj : how do you ppa-purge a repository like mediubuntu
[23:53] <miraj> creative_x : ftp is always simple and easy to config
[23:53] <datiecher> trism: can't I force glib's location in the makefile somehow?
[23:53] <trism> datiecher: did you grab yours from hg?
[23:53] <jrib> malte: what kind of weird paths?  Check /etc/environment (I don't think this is used for path though), /etc/bash*, and /etc/profile*
[23:53] <David7> malte, It get set by your .profile
[23:53] <creative_x> miraJ: i was thinking the option that has the sharing options...
[23:53] <datiecher> trism: nope, just thought you did by your message :P
[23:53] <David7> malte, Or by the system profile in /etc/profile
[23:53] <datiecher> trism: but i tried with their 2.10.5 and got the same error as well
[23:54] <creative_x> miraJ: can you help me with that
[23:54] <miraj> pizzadude : don't know, I never bothered much with mediubuntu
[23:55] <miraj> creative_x : what would you like, netware or ms filesharing?
[23:55] <pizzadude> miraj : i'll try synaptic
[23:55] <creative_x> miraj: what ms means?
[23:55] <miraj> ms = microsoft file and printer sharing
[23:55] <gerbilcabbagehai> creative_x: there are many different ways to do what you are asking. Some questions for you to answer so we can help you better. What's your experience with ubuntu, networking, what version ubuntu have you and what is the other os?
[23:56] <miraj> creative_x : if you want to be microsoft compatible, there is samba
[23:56] <creative_x> i want to transfer files bettweem ubuntu 12.04 lts and linux mint 13
[23:56] <jerry_l1> google: "open office delete issue" lists alot of pages of windows could not install or window could not uninstall..... how should i word the search?
[23:56] <malte> Okay, I checked them all. There does not seem to be anything wrong, in fact I can not remmever to ever have changed them. The pahts that are added are OLD paths that used to be in my .bashrc file.
[23:57] <Jhon> Hi ALL!
[23:57] <gerbilcabbagehai> creative_x: wireless or wired?
[23:57] <creative_x> wired
[23:57] <jrib> malte: you should say what these "weird paths" you refer to actually are
[23:57] <malte> just did
[23:57] <gerbilcabbagehai> creative_x: gui?
[23:57] <MissionControl> I got a weird bug yesterday where ubuntu thought it's filesystem disk was full and now it's less than half full (like it's supposed to be)
[23:57] <Jhon> help please
[23:57] <malte> so I some of the paths are now just twice in my $PATH variable
[23:57] <malte> which is okay
[23:57] <jrib> malte: I don't see any paths in what you said
[23:58] <Jhon> any pro here?
[23:58] <Jhon> i need one qustion
[23:58] <jrib> !ask | Jhon
[23:58] <malte> it seems to me like there is an old .bashrc file somewhere in my system that is loaded, too.
[23:58] <gerbilcabbagehai> creative_x: gui or cli?
[23:58] <creative_x> gui
[23:58] <Jhon> who can help?
[23:58] <malte> before the actual .bashrc
[23:58] <jrib> Jhon: ask your question.
[23:58] <Jhon> ok
[23:58] <jerry_l1> !payshence?
[23:59] <gerbilcabbagehai> creative_x: have you looked in networking, enabled filesharing?
[23:59] <Jhon> now i translate him
[23:59] <trism> datiecher: does it work with the system gcc instead of the emcc in your home directory? (though I'm not sure that explains the pkg-config weirdness, I'm kind of reaching at this point)
[23:59] <malte> and it is written in the variable BEFORE the actual .bashrc is loaded
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[23:59] <jrib> malte: yes, we understand your problem.  If you give us information we ask about, we can try to help you.
[23:59] <Jhon> i need program
 but its telling that its unable to mount the location
[23:59] <Jhon> special programm
[23:59] <jerry_l1> well ubotto you are more intelligent than some people i know .. :)
[23:59] <jrib> Jhon: stop pressing the enter key
[23:59] <malte> sorry, what exaclty?
[23:59] <malte> what the paths are?
[23:59] <Jhon> help plz