[02:23] <lauratika> hi everyone again... i wonder what is the best system to ecrypt files and upload them to ubuntuone... thanx...
[03:32] <lauratika> ok thanx
[06:34] <mandel> morning all!
[08:18] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :-D
[11:17] <gatox> good morning
[11:41] <mandel> gatox, morning!
[12:08] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:10] <gatox> ralsina, good morniing
[12:13] <ralsina> hola gatox
[12:13] <mandel> ralsina, morning
[12:16] <ralsina> hola mandel
[12:35] <alecu> hello, all!
[12:36] <ralsina> for some reason when alecu says hi in the morning I expect him to say "good news everyone!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D1cap6yETA
[12:36] <ralsina> anf good morning alecu!
[12:37] <alecu> GOOD NEWS﻿ OBI-WAN!
[12:38] <ralsina> jajajaja
[12:51] <mandel> ok, lunch time :)
[13:25] <dobey> hmm
[13:26] <ralsina> hmm to you too dobey!
[13:27] <gatox> lol
[13:28] <alecu> roflcopter
[13:29] <dobey> how to build-depends on something that isn't available on all the versions of ubuntu we need to build on :-/
[13:29] <ralsina> dobey: ouch
[13:32] <thisfred> ralsina, I stupidly packed my headset earlier this week, and have been unable to make mumble even start without them. That is to say: I think I'll have to skip the meeting today. My days have been filled with playlist joy, and will continue to be today and tomorrow, and then I'm off for two weeks.
[13:35] <ralsina> thisfred: no problem
[13:37] <dobey> gatox: btw, is the sync indicator currently in quantal supposed to actually work?
[13:38] <gatox> dobey, i suppose it works..... i've only tested with the testing mode... didn't see it already integrated with the desktop
[13:39] <gatox> dobey, you can ask charles in u1-internal
[13:39] <dobey> gatox: i installed the indicator-sync package that's in Q, and ubuntuone-client from nightlies, and the indicator service is running, and i've restarted sd, but nothing in the panel
[13:40] <gatox> dobey, yes..... i don't see anything in the panel either..... that's why i need to test it running it manually
[13:40] <dobey> oh nice, and some update broke the battery and messaging menu icons
[13:41] <ralsina> dobey: those latest icons I sent you, did you put all of them in? cparrino mentioned the ubuntuone icon was updated too
[13:42] <dobey> they are the same ubuntuone icons we already shipped in ubuntu. i put the 256x256 in, as we weren't using it yet. but that was only in ubuntuone-client. i haven't updated ubuntuone-client-data yet (so nightlies might seem a bit weird at the moment in that respect)
[13:46] <ralsina> ok
[13:47] <chaselivingston> ralsina: i just joined a new shared folder and selected to sync it locally on my mac, but the files inside don't seem to be syncing, any ideas?
[13:47] <ralsina> chaselivingston: not really, no
[13:47] <ralsina> chaselivingston: log?
[13:47] <chaselivingston> ralsina: need an sd log?
[13:47] <ralsina> chaselivingston: yes please
[13:47] <chaselivingston> ralsina: cool, one moment
[13:48] <chaselivingston> ralsina: https://pastebin.canonical.com/74885/
[13:51] <dobey> brb, have to run for a few
[13:54] <ralsina> chaselivingston: looking
[13:54] <chaselivingston> ralsina: thx
[13:57] <ralsina> chaselivingston: which share was it?
[13:57] <chaselivingston> ralsina: U1 Facebook
[13:59] <ralsina> chaselivingston: I see it get subscribed at 2012-09-20 09:14:47,835 and then it seems to be no errors at all
[13:59] <chaselivingston> ralsina: hmm, that's odd...
[14:00] <chaselivingston> ralsina: the folder shows up as empty
[14:01] <ralsina> chaselivingston: I assume the folder is not really empty :-)
[14:01] <ralsina> in the serve, I mean
[14:01] <chaselivingston> ralsina: right, files show up online
[14:01] <ralsina> chaselivingston: I'll look harder at that log in a few minutes
[14:02] <chaselivingston> ralsina: cool, sounds good
[14:11] <DNX> Hi guys, when I was investigating this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/1047311   I accidentally lost a directory inside my Ubuntu One folder. Can anyone help me to restore it?
[14:11] <chaselivingston> DNX: could you submit the form at http://one.ubuntu.com/support/contact with the info and i'll see what I can do?
[14:11] <DNX> yes, sure
[14:17] <DNX> chaselivingston, done. Thank you!
[14:17] <chaselivingston> DNX: np, i'll get back to you asap
[14:23] <mandel> ralsina, today we have mumble, right?
[14:25] <ralsina> mandel: yessir
[14:26] <mandel> ralsina, ok
[14:47] <ralsina> oh, come on, latest ubuntu font is making all qt apps bold again :-(
[14:49] <dobey> oh that, fun
[14:49] <ralsina> looks like they may revert, though
[14:50] <dobey> it's probably more of an issue now that there are more qt apps by default than ubuntuone
[14:52] <mandel> might be for the visually challenged :)
[14:52] <gatox> alecu, review please: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-client-timer/+merge/125499
[14:54] <mandel> ralsina, I'm switching to an os that can handle mumble, I'll wait there
[14:54] <dobey> ow, this granola bar was apparently a bad idea :-/
[14:55] <mmcc> hi folks
[14:55] <dobey> gatox: why does your diff show conflicts?
[14:55] <chaselivingston> hi mmcc, was sharing an interesting issue/bug w/ ralsina earlier that you might be interested in
[14:56] <mmcc> chaselivingston: yes, I'm looking at the log now
[14:56] <dobey> gatox: i think you need to merge with trunk
[14:56] <gatox> dobey, i'm fixing that...... don't know wht
[14:56] <alecu> gatox: launchpad shows there's a merge conflict
[14:56] <gatox> alecu, yep...... i'm fixing that already
[14:57] <ralsina> alecu, gatox, dobey, mmcc, briancurtin, mandel: mumble in 3'
[14:57] <gatox> ack
[14:57] <mmcc> ack!
[14:58] <dobey> that may be an apt description
[15:01] <dobey> ralsina: lies
[15:02] <alecu> thisfred, ralsina: mumble!
[15:02] <ralsina> on my way, mumble is acting up
[15:02] <thisfred> alecu, no headset, say hi for me :)
[15:02] <dobey> alecu: thisfred isn't joining today
[15:03] <alecu> thisfred: is your headset already packed?
[15:03] <alecu> :-)
[15:03] <thisfred> alecu, yep, and I don't know in which box :)
[15:15] <ralsina> So it looks like noone can hear me anymore
[15:16] <dobey> nope
[15:16] <ralsina> if we are going to type, we may as well do it in an app that's meant for typing
[15:16] <ralsina> so, continuing here
[15:16] <dobey> you were either really noisy, or silent
[15:17] <ralsina> ok
[15:17] <ralsina> so, about the FFes
[15:17] <ralsina> we need to send those emails, and what else?
[15:17] <ralsina> dobey, joshuahoover: ^
[15:18] <dobey> even if our FFe is approved, a separate FFe is needed for getting indicator-sync installed by default, and so that we can Recommends: it in our package
[15:18] <dobey> well, a UIFe/FFe
[15:18] <ralsina> ok, but we can get our code in without the Recommends and add that after that other exception is approved, right?
[15:19] <dobey> also, it would be nice to actually see the thing working, so i'll have to talk to charles about it, because it's not working at all for me
[15:19] <ralsina> just so we can stop having these pending
[15:19] <dobey> ralsina: once our FFe is approved, we can land the code in stable-4-0 and get it in the package, yes
[15:19] <ralsina> ok, sounds reasonable. dobey, can you take gatox along for these proceedings?
[15:20] <ralsina> dobey: you are starting to sound like a bus factor of 1 for a lot of things, so we need to start spreading knowledge
[15:20] <dobey> sure
[15:20] <joshuahoover> ralsina: once i have the words that need translated from gatox i'll update bug #1042343 and send out the email to the doc and translator lists
[15:20] <ralsina> gatox: so, you tag along with dobey for all this exception/bureaucracy and pay attention :-)
[15:20] <ralsina> joshuahoover: thanks!
[15:20] <gatox> ralsina, ack
[15:21] <ralsina> Good. Moving on... the dash stuff alecu and mandel are doing: not going on Q AFAIK (right joshuahoover?)
[15:21] <dobey> btw, all this ffe/uife stuff is documented on ubuntu wiki
[15:21] <ralsina> so, keep working on it as fast as possible and no faster ;-)
[15:21] <ralsina> dobey: 999 ways to skin a cat are documented there also :-)
[15:21] <mandel> ralsina, that is our understanding, we/I have plans to talk with the dx guys to see what is the best approach to get this in a ppa
[15:21] <ralsina> mandel, alecu: quick status report please?
[15:22] <mandel> ralsina, some of the fixes I did have already landed in trunk and the ui is done
[15:22] <ralsina> alecu: how's your 'learn vala in 21 days' experiment progressing?
[15:22] <mandel> ralsina, right now, from my side, the only blocking stuff is the preview state machine, I know where is the bug, just need to find a no-hacky way to get the transitions working
[15:23] <gatox> joshuahoover, just sent you an email with the string.... just in case..... let me know if you need something else
[15:23] <alecu> ralsina: we proposed with mandel having this in unity's PPAs, so if anybody wants to try this they only need to install those ppas.
[15:23] <joshuahoover> gatox: great, thanks!
[15:23] <alecu> ralsina: also, it means less work for us than maintaining separate ppas
[15:23] <ralsina> alecu, mandel: good, thanks!
[15:23] <ralsina> mmcc: quick mac update?
[15:23] <mandel> ralsina, any questions?
[15:24] <gatox> dobey, do you have the wiki please?? so i can start reading that?
[15:24] <mandel> I guess that is a no :)
[15:24] <ralsina> mandel: nothing right now :-)
[15:24] <alecu> ralsina: vala is coming along... I like a lot of things, but I'm puzzled by a lot of others, since there's a lack of documentation all around, mostly on how to test it.
[15:24] <dobey> gatox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[15:24] <gatox> alecu, conflict solved: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-client-timer/+merge/125499
[15:24] <gatox> dobey, thanks
[15:24] <ralsina> alecu: hehe, so, average for everything we are using ;-)
[15:25] <alecu> ralsina: so, we are moving along, now with the aim of having this in unity ppas at 12.10 launch time.
[15:25] <mmcc> ralsina: got root daemon working with code signing and secure launchd installation and upgrade, fixed a sync bug. Have a long list of bugs to keep going through, nothing too scary in there…
[15:25] <dobey> alecu: there's no really good test framework for it, but if you want some examples, you can look at the tests in lp:shardbridge
[15:25] <alecu> dobey: great, thanks!
[15:25] <ralsina> mmcc: you here?
[15:25] <ralsina> oh, and now I am lagged
[15:25] <alecu> gatox: I'll take a look after the meeting.
[15:26] <gatox> alecu, ack... thx
[15:26] <ralsina> mmcc: ask chaselivingstonhe has a bug
[15:26] <mmcc> ralsina: yes, saw it, following up
[15:26] <ralsina> briancurtin: progress ?
[15:26] <mmcc> that bug, and the one where the startup wizard doesn't show anything, are the next ones
[15:26]  * mmcc done
[15:27] <briancurtin> ralsina: got test_timestamp figured out so that brought failures down a bit, so now failures are isolated to test_webclient, and only a subset of those tests which need authentication. now that i have things up on a branch and not the mess they were, i'm going to try and step back through what it used to do and see what parts im missing since the port
[15:27] <ralsina> briancurtin: awesome
[15:27] <ralsina> ok, so that's about it. Sorry about the messy meeting
[15:28] <mandel> he, could be worse..
[15:28] <ralsina> So, keep up the good work, this week has been somewhat chaotic in general, things should settle down a lot now
[15:28] <joshuahoover> carrier pigeon for the next one
[15:28] <joshuahoover> or smoke signals
[15:28] <ralsina> joshuahoover: I suspect my pigeon provider will give me dead parrots instead
[15:28] <mandel> joshuahoover, flying monkeys :)
[15:29] <gatox> ralsina, lol
[15:29] <joshuahoover> heh
[15:29] <ralsina> ok then.
[15:29] <ralsina> EOM
[15:29] <mandel> wearing mack up
[15:29] <mandel> ok, I'm back to try and fix compiz and get that bloody preview..
[15:29] <dobey> ralsina: he's not dead, he's pining for the fjords!
[15:29] <ralsina> dobey, gatox: I am at your call for anything I can help regarding the freeze
[15:29] <ralsina> dobey: he's an ex parrot!
[15:30] <gatox> ralsina, ok, thx
[15:30] <dobey> ralsina: time machine? (granted, it will be impossible since time doesn't exist)
[15:30] <alecu> mandel: are you wearing make up today?
[15:32] <mandel> alecu, I'm going a little crazy with all these compiz updates that break everything
[15:32] <mandel> alecu, everytime there is one I cry
[15:34] <gatox> ok..... lunch for me
[15:36] <mmcc> mandel's make up, courtesy compiz updates: http://howrudoing.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/sad-clown.jpg
[15:37] <mmcc> brb…
[15:37] <mandel> mmcc, lol, perfect representation
[15:39] <joshuahoover> dobey: is there anyone i should chat with about the an exception to get indicator-sync in the default install?
[15:41] <ralsina> dobey: a machine that *makes* time solves all problems.
[15:42] <dobey> joshuahoover: i just filed bug #1053482 for the indicator-sync being installed by default
[15:43] <joshuahoover> dobey: cool, want me to subscribe ubuntu-release?
[15:49] <dobey> joshuahoover: not yet
[15:49] <joshuahoover> k
[15:50] <ralsina> joshuahoover: the _LINK strings are not translatable
[15:50] <ralsina> (hopefully)
[15:50] <joshuahoover> ralsina: heh, good point
[15:50] <joshuahoover> fixed
[15:55] <mmcc> brb coffee
[15:58] <ralsina> joshuahoover: "Special kudos for the U1 folks for being the only team who's actually
[15:58] <ralsina> included the detailed list of added translatable strings for the benefit
[15:58] <ralsina> of translators on the bug report."
[15:58] <ralsina> :-)
[15:58] <joshuahoover> ha!
[15:59] <ralsina> In the words of my late father "that must be a shallow creek if the armadillo can cross it at a run"
[15:59] <ralsina> loosely translated of course
[15:59] <dobey> heh
[16:02] <mandel> hehe
[16:02] <mandel> ok, EOD here, catch you all tom!
[16:04] <ralsina> bye mandel!
[16:10] <dobey> gatox_lunch: is the syncmenu code logging whether or not it's actually connected to the indicator and sending stuff to it?
[16:16] <dobey> ok, i need to get lunch as well; bbiab
[16:41] <ralsina> ok, so "Install indicator-sync by default" is rejected
[16:49] <gatox> dobey, no, no logging..... we can add that in the branch i just proposed if you think is needed
[16:59] <gatox> ralsina, i filed a swap for the 24th.... to cover December 31st
[16:59] <ralsina> gatox: ok
[17:05] <dobey> gatox: well it would be nice to debug the indicator not being displayed. :)
[17:05] <dobey> gatox: not sure if the problem is syncdaemon or the indicator, right now
[17:07] <dobey> uhm, ok well we have a problem now anyway
[17:08] <dobey> if the FFe/UIFe for having indicator-sync on the default install for Q, then why do we need an FFe/UIFe for u1-client to use that API, if it won't be using it without people manually installing something else anyway?
[17:08] <dobey> ralsina, joshuahoover: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/1053482/comments/1
[17:13] <ralsina> dobey: yes, saw it
[17:13] <gatox> dobey, ok...... i'll add logging to the current proposed branch
[17:13] <ralsina> dobey: I would rather have the support in there, and then the user can optionally install the sync menu
[17:14] <ralsina> dobey: or you mean that with sync menu not being installed by default we don't need the UIFe?
[17:15] <dobey> ralsina: i mean i don't see why we need a UIFe exactly; if strings that nobody ever sees aren't translated, what does it really matter?
[17:15] <ralsina> dobey: well, they could see them if they install the optional package
[17:15] <dobey> well how likely are those strings to actually get translated for all those languages, in the next 2 weeks?
[17:16] <ralsina> not very
[17:16] <dobey> exactly
[17:16] <ralsina> so, suggested course of action? Not merging that into 4.0?
[17:17] <dobey> well not shipping it in 4.0 is easy; we would just do nothing and punt it to the next release for 13.04
[17:17] <ralsina> that idea makes me unhappy :-)
[17:17] <dobey> i think we probably need to discuss it with skaet
[17:18] <ralsina> I would rather we ship it even if poorly translated and then we can suggest the users to install sync-menu on their own if they want the feature
[17:18] <ralsina> and translation coverage will catchup eventually
[17:19] <ralsina> plus we have the +1 from translation team
[17:19] <dobey> right
[17:19] <dobey> but we have to deal with beuracracy
[17:20] <ralsina> skaet said something to the effect of asking for help getting this in if we needed it. Looks like we do :-)
[17:20] <gatox> dobey, are you talking about the new strings in u1-client? they are the same we have in u1-cp
[17:21] <dobey> gatox: that doesn't matter
[17:21] <ralsina> gatox: yes, but they need to be copy/pasted in hundreds of little separate files :-)
[17:21] <gatox> :S
[17:21] <ralsina> (metaforically at least)
[17:21] <dobey> merging translations is not easy
[17:23] <ralsina> dobey: do talk to skaet about it. I don't want to delay a feature that's "done" for 6 months over this
[17:26] <dobey> ok
[17:27] <ralsina> thanks
[17:41] <gatox> dobey, ok..... logs has been added to the latest branch
[17:48] <ralsina> good job dobey!
[18:36] <dobey> brb, gotta run for a few real quick.
[19:08] <dobey> gatox: ping
[19:11] <dobey> ah, fml
[19:11] <gatox> dobey, pong
[19:11] <dobey> gatox: hey, you have a python version of the sync-app-example thing?
[19:12] <gatox> dobey, yes..... let me look for it
[19:13] <gatox> dobey, this script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1217385/
[19:14] <gatox> dobey, not exactly the same example..... but that's the idea
[19:14] <dobey> gatox: and you get a sync menu in your panel in unity with that?
[19:20] <gatox> dobey, no..... i use that running the syncmenu from sources..... which open a new window..... and the menu inside there
[19:20] <dobey> ...
[19:21] <dobey> ok, indicator-sync currently in quantal doesn't work then :)
[19:56] <alecu> dobey: I tested gatox's branch IRL using a sync menu started inside /usr/lib/libindicator/indicator-loader3
[19:57] <alecu> dobey: but right, I did not looked for a way to use the system's sync menu.
[19:57] <alecu> *did not *look*
[19:58] <gatox> alecu, i already propose the branch for the cpu consumption.... and now i'm finishing the one of the ordered transfers
[19:58] <alecu> gatox: great!
[20:13] <alecu> gatox: this makes a little bit of noise inside my head: self._paused = False
[20:14] <alecu> gatox: what if the user changes the pause state from the control panel, or via u1sdtool?
[20:15] <gatox> alecu, mmm..... yes...... didn't think of that...... i should ask syncdaemoon which is the current state
[20:15] <gatox> alecu, could you ask for the need fixing in that branch..... although that is already in trunk
[20:16] <alecu> gatox: and we should also listen for the internal SD events when the state change, and update the menu state accordingly.
[20:16] <gatox> alecu, that too
[20:16] <alecu> gatox: don't worry in this branch, let's open a new bug for this.
[20:16] <gatox> alecu,  would you do it?
[20:17] <alecu> sure
[20:17] <gatox> alecu, thx...... so, eod for me
[20:17] <gatox> good bye everyone!
[20:18]  * gatox time to do some exercise
[20:49] <ralsina> EOD for me
[20:49] <ralsina> I will probably will not be back later unless a miracle happens ;-)
[20:50] <dobey> same here. later all :)
[20:50] <briancurtin> later guys
[22:52] <mmcc> spent all day chasing this setup wizard bug on darwin, wondering why it's working on the other platforms but not here, and then I discovered it isn't working on the other platforms
[22:53] <mmcc> it's bug 978043 -- I wonder why no one noticed that it is also broken on linux
[22:53] <mmcc> I changed the description, it used to be windows-specific
[23:19] <mmcc> ok, I wrote some more info on what I found out about that bug. Time for me to head out, I'll try to keep digging some more later