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jbichatkamppeter: could you take a look at bug 1050602 when you're around?01:04
ubot2Launchpad bug 1050602 in ghostscript "gs 9.06 segfaults when converting to png, bmp, tiff, etc." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105060201:04
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bkerensadoes anyone know why even after removing transmission it still somehow spawns up?02:15
bkerensalike if you click a magnet url?02:15
sarnoldbkerensa: how did you remove it?02:15
bkerensasarnold: apt-get remove transmission02:17
sarnoldbkerensa: somewhere along the way the package was renamed to transmission-gtk, iirc. Try dpkg -l 'transmission*' to see which transmission packages are still installed, if any02:18
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pittiGood morning03:10
desrtpitti: good morn03:25
pittihey desrt03:25
RAOFMorning pitti03:30
RAOFHey desrt!03:30
desrthi03:30
desrtyou had a question for me the other day...03:30
RAOFdesrt: The gdbus bitch I wanted to get off my chest was how it breaks software that uses libdbus.03:31
desrtoh?03:31
desrthow so?03:31
desrt(and why should i care?) ;)03:31
RAOFBecause it always spawns a thread, and does libdbus calls on it, without ever initialising libdbus' threadsafety, or suggesting that the caller might want to do that.03:31
desrtno....03:32
desrtgdbus never calls libdbus03:32
RAOF...hm.03:34
RAOFAh. So there's something else in our stack which is.03:35
desrtglad i could help :)03:35
RAOFdesrt: So gdbus has its own dbus implementation?03:37
desrtfrom scratch03:37
desrtglib has a libdbus depend in ./configure but only so the testcases can compare serialisation for compatibility03:38
desrtit's never used at runtime03:38
desrtbedtime here03:41
desrtlaters :)03:41
RAOFCatch you :)03:41
didrocksgood morning05:26
pittibonjour didrocks05:33
didrocksguten morgen pitti (sorry, already in useless paperwork), how are you?05:43
pittije vais bien! having "fun" with sandboxing a gnome-session with a mock upower for testing05:44
didrockspitti: lucky you to be able to work on technical things :)05:44
* pitti hugs didrocks05:45
* didrocks hugs pitti back05:45
bizhanMonaHI I have installed some packages on my Ubuntu/Precise 12.04. I have forgot the list of the packages that I have installed, is there any command could provide me the history of the packages installed? Tx06:04
didrocksbizhanMona: you can see some good history in /var/log/apt/history.log06:05
bizhanMonadidrocks: thx06:08
didrocksyw06:09
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pittididrocks: nice unity bug fix list!06:35
didrockspitti: isn't it? :)06:36
didrockspitti: a lot of FFe in them though :/06:36
mvohrm, is it a known issue that after login the screen stays blank and does not load to the full desktop? or should I start debugging?06:42
didrocksmvo: ah, not known, some people even installed -proposed yesterday without any issue06:42
mvodidrocks: compiz[11350] trap int3 ip:xxxx sp:xxxx error:006:43
mvodidrocks: from dmesg, let me try if I can get apport to trigger06:43
didrocksmvo: do you mind reporting the crash if any?06:43
didrocksyep :)06:44
mvoheh :) "TypeError: 'in <string>' requires string as left operand, not byte"  from the source_xorg.py plugin06:45
didrockshum, I thought bryceh fixed that one? ^06:45
mvoall updates from this morning are installed06:46
mvomaybe its not build yet06:46
didrocksmvo: juts tell that your issue is not graphical to bypass the xorg hook :)06:47
didrocksin reporting your bug06:47
mvoyeah, tried reporting via cli/linux-console, but that did not went too well, LP does not really like the ascii browser anymore it seems06:48
* mvo will login failsafe06:48
didrocksmvo: better?06:57
didrocksmvo: you can do a local retracing otherwise you have the -dbgsym handy06:57
mvodidrocks: bug #105384807:00
didrocksmvo: can you add me to subscriber? :)07:00
* didrocks wants access :p07:01
mvodidrocks: *cough* I thought you can see *everything* ;)07:01
didrocksmvo: sure sure, I'm just pretending to not bein able :)07:01
didrocksbeing*07:01
didrocksmvo: looking with the unity guys on it now07:01
mvodidrocks: added you now, should I leave it as is or try something like unity --reset to see if that fixes it, i.e. if its a local setting or something07:01
mvodidrocks: cool, any channel I should join?07:01
didrocksmvo: can you try a guest session and run "unity" there?07:02
didrocksmvo: asking duflu to come here07:03
mvodidrocks: guest session appears fine07:03
didrocksmvo: with unity?07:03
mvodidrocks: yes07:03
didrocksah, interesting07:03
didrocksso, what do you have in your config making that…07:03
didrocksduflu: hey, just a summary, seems that mvo can run unity successfully with a guest account07:04
mvodidrocks: not much really, I think :) my ccsm days are over, I just customized some stuff via the normal control center like focus follow mouse, custom keybindings etc07:04
didrocksduflu: so, seems to be a settings, let's see once retraced, but I bet gsettings-related07:04
didrocksmvo: we migrated some custom keybindings (but there is a bug in glib making that not all key are transitionned successfully)07:05
dufludidrocks: OK, will wait. In the mean time I will be in and out (crashing X)07:05
didrocksduflu: enjoy :)07:05
didrockspitti: anything I can buy you to get bug #1053848 retraced soon? :)07:06
mvodidrocks: ok, I will keep the system as it is and log into openbox or something in the meantime07:07
didrocksmvo: heh, that will remind you old times :)07:07
didrocks(I personnaly likes fluxbox)07:07
mvodidrocks: ahah, indeed07:08
didrocksmvo: retrace failed :/07:19
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone07:21
didrockshey chrisccoulson!07:21
didrockshow are you?07:21
chrisccoulsondidrocks, quite tired. had quite a late night last night. how are you?07:22
didrockschrisccoulson: quite relieved to have unity/compiz stack landed and an iso spinning soon with it :)07:22
didrockschrisccoulson: paperwork prepared for the release team, we are on track!07:22
didrocksI had a question from the release team though, about the firefox webapp support07:22
didrocksI know you discussed with the webapps guys07:23
didrockscan you update myself please where we are at?07:23
didrocks(sorry to bother you with that, but I prefer to have things prepared for the meeting with PS later today)07:23
chrisccoulsoni need to check up on the bug, but i think they want me to look at a merge after i highlighted some issues with their "chromeless" support07:24
chrisccoulsonnot sure if all of those have been addressed yet07:24
didrockschrisccoulson: do you think you will be able to do it today and keep me up to date then? (the meeting is at 4PM UTC)07:25
chrisccoulsonyeah, sure07:25
didrockschrisccoulson: thanks a lot :)07:25
chrisccoulsonstill trying to clear up some mess i found from bug 1051152 too, which resulted in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~extension-hackers/globalmenu-extension/trunk/revision/451 last night ;)07:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 1051152 in globalmenu-extension "Firefox 16 beta crash in nsIContent::SetAttr with greasemonkey installed" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105115207:26
didrockschrisccoulson: so, you definitively hates greasemonkey now? :)07:26
chrisccoulsonyes07:26
chrisccoulsoni hated it before, anyway07:26
didrockschrisccoulson: for their upstream code, how does mozilla handles it?07:26
didrockschrisccoulson: I guess they have quite some issues with such popular extensions07:27
chrisccoulsonespecially when firefox has a supported mechanism for injecting script in to content that doesn't rely on greasemonkey, and is future proof (so it will continue to work with multiple content processes, whereas greasemonkey will stop working)07:27
chrisccoulsonoh, mozilla have a blocklist mechanism for problematic addons ;)07:28
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didrocksok, they just badlist it if something is really wrong with the extension?07:28
chrisccoulsonalthough, that's normally used for malware, addons which introduce a security problem or as a last resort for addons which cause other problems (such as ours, causing crashes)07:28
gotwigI want a feature freeze exception for this commit for gnome control center: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=45ba8e89e86397df912e07df14d76373f1c7e7af  this fixes the error message from firewallid for finding network printers in Printers panel under GNOME Shell07:29
didrockschrisccoulson: ok, got it :)07:29
didrocksgotwig: please follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess07:30
didrocksgotwig: you will need an UIFe as well (same page)07:30
Laneyhey07:57
didrockshey Laney, how are you?07:57
Laneyglad we got to the freeze :P07:58
Laneybut yeah, good. you?07:58
didrocksLaney: approximately the same feeling :)07:59
Laney:-)08:02
tjaaltonis it a known bug that the date on the indicator has some weird characters on fresh quantal?08:05
didrockstjaalton: no, don't get that one, please file a bug and ping me08:06
Laneyscreenshot would be useful08:06
czajkowskiLaney: found another bug! my machine won't power off! found this out the hard way and woke up to no battery :/08:06
didrockslarsu: hey, did you hear about anything like that? ^08:06
tjaaltondidrocks: ok, at least with finnish locale08:06
Laneyczajkowski: won't power off?08:06
didrockstjaalton: for once, french one is fine :)08:06
czajkowskiLaney: nope hit shut down from menu, brings me back to thelogin screen08:06
czajkowskiLaney: have to hold the power button to shut it off08:06
larsutjaalton, didrocks, haven't heard of that one yet, no08:06
tjaaltonok let me get a screenshot first08:07
czajkowskiLaney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/105385208:08
ubot2Launchpad bug 1053852 in lightdm "machine wont shut down without being forced to" [Undecided,New]08:08
Laneyhm, is there no apport hook for lightdm?08:08
tjaaltonhmm, and auto-raise got turned on08:08
tjaalton(i have just focus-follows-mouse)08:09
tjaalton*had08:09
Laneyczajkowski: can you attach the files from /var/log/lightdm please08:09
tjaaltonlarsu, didrocks: http://koti.kapsi.fi/~tjaalton/tmp/date.png08:11
didrocksindeed, quite annoying :/ larsu: can you track it, with charles if needed? ^08:12
didrockstjaalton: a bug would be appreciated08:12
tjaaltonsure08:12
tjaaltonagainst..?08:13
larsutjaalton, indicator-datetime08:13
tjaaltonthanks08:13
larsudidrocks, I won't be able to fix it today, have to finish a gtk patch, I'll let charles know as soon as he's online08:13
didrockslarsu: sure, there is time, but would be nice to fix it before my EOD so that we can have it for beta208:14
larsudidrocks, agreed.08:14
didrockslarsu: keep me posted (or tell charles to keep me posted ;))08:14
didrocksthanks! :)08:14
tjaaltonfiled bug 105387508:18
ubot2Launchpad bug 1053875 in indicator-datetime "space between date and time replaced with extra characters" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105387508:18
didrocksmvo: tell me when you have some time so that we play with your dconf config08:18
larsutjaalton, thanks!08:18
mvodidrocks: now08:24
* Laney sidles up to chrisccoulson 08:24
Laneyoh, Chriiiis?08:24
didrocksmvo: ok, so, just for testing, but can you try renaming you .config/dconf/user?08:24
didrocksmvo: so that we ensure it's a gsettings key to be at fault here08:24
Laneyhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= ← webapps there. Is it sane?08:24
mvodidrocks: hm, same deal08:25
didrocksmvo: ah, what can it be then? hum :/08:25
didrocksmvo: I guess you never ever installed unity by hand…08:26
mvodidrocks: uhhhhhhh, let me double check, a long time ago I did a patch for unity08:26
didrocksmvo: oh? so having some special .compiz, .compiz-1 content maybe?08:26
didrocksand .config/compiz-108:26
mvodidrocks: let me double check08:27
mvodidrocks: .compiz-1 -> .compiz-1.xxx was it08:29
mvodidrocks: now it works08:29
didrocksmvo: yeah, you have an old compiz/unity installation08:29
didrocksmvo: didn't really like the ABI break I guess :p08:29
mvodidrocks: so that would only be quantal->quantal?08:29
didrocksmvo: that's only people compiling by hand and installing a local version08:30
mvooh, I have local plugins?!?08:30
didrocksnot using packages08:30
mvohow is that08:30
didrocksyep08:30
didrockswhen you worked on it I guess08:30
didrocksit's installing them in .compiz-1/08:30
mvodidrocks: yeah, I cleaned /usr/local but I did not think about this08:30
didrocksmvo: yeah, it's puzzling, I know :)08:31
didrocksmvo: btw #1 issue when PS reports a crash and ping me about their code, telling that quantal is broken :p08:31
mvodidrocks: hm, I killed the .so files now but still no luck, so even session and .xml08:31
mvokills it08:31
didrocksmvo: didn't you tell me that renaming the .compiz-1 worked?08:31
didrocksmvo: oh, not related, but think to rename (out of the session) your ~/.config/dconf/user file to not loose your dconf config :)08:32
mvodidrocks: yeah, renaming worked08:33
didrocksmvo: can you run tree on your content in it?08:34
mvodidrocks: a bunch of xml and a bunch of session files08:36
didrocksmvo: so, removing all xml files didn't work?08:37
mvodidrocks: removing the xml helped, so that is what it crashed it08:38
mvodidrocks: interessted in debugging further?08:38
mvodidrocks: or should I just remove them?08:38
didrocksmvo: no, you had those xml because of the local install08:38
didrocksmvo: and some keys changed08:38
mvodidrocks: ok08:38
didrocksso compiz was trying to load an unexisting keys for you I guess08:38
didrockshence the crash08:39
didrocksbut really related to your local install :)08:39
didrocksphew! Thanks mvo :)08:39
mvodidrocks: :)08:39
mvodidrocks: thank you, sorry for wasting your time08:40
didrocksmvo: no worry at all ;)08:40
mvodidrocks: one further question, how do I get back my focus-follow-mouse? can't see it in the control center08:40
mvoor am I just blind?08:40
didrocksmvo: it wasn't in control-center IIRC, not sure how you set it08:40
didrocksmvo: did you do this:08:41
mvodidrocks: ccsm seem to have no effect too08:41
didrocks10:32:38      didrocks | mvo: oh, not related, but think to rename (out of the session) your ~/.config/dconf/user file to not loose08:41
didrocks                       | your dconf config :)08:41
mvodidrocks: I did!08:41
didrockshum, so maybe the data is not read anymore08:41
didrocksoh, gtk-window-decorator moved to gsettings08:41
didrocksI bet the config was in gconf08:41
didrocksmvo: do you remember the name of the key?08:42
mvodidrocks: no :(08:42
didrockscan try to find it in gsettings08:42
didrockshum, let me try to look at it08:42
didrocksmvo: where was it in g-c-c?08:42
mvodidrocks: I can search for it too, no worries08:42
didrocksmvo: don't find it easily, but the migration code was only gconf -> gsettings, so it should still work, if you didn't find it anymore, just poke me and I'll look08:43
mvodidrocks: hm, let me dig around a bit, its my own pet specal configuration (focus-follow-mouse, autoraise) and most people will not care08:43
mvodidrocks: thanks again for your help08:44
didrocksmvo: you're really welcomed :)08:44
mvodidrocks: yipieee, org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences made me a happy man again08:49
didrocksmvo: excellent! Thanks for the update :)08:50
gotwigis gnome with the new languages and regions going to come to quantal?08:56
gotwig*languages and regions panel for gnome control center08:56
didrocksgotwig: no, we stay on the earlier gnome-control-center version08:56
didrocksfor quantal08:56
gotwigdidrocks: so no new languages and regions for 12.10?08:57
gotwig*packaged for 12.1008:57
didrocksno08:57
gotwigI would be interessted in a PPA :X08:57
didrockswill be in R08:57
gotwig13.04?08:57
didrocksyep08:57
gotwigalright08:58
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gotwigdidrocks: do you know how to make a PPA?09:11
didrocksgotwig: you should go to #ubuntu-motu to get some help on that I guess and read the launchpad help on ppas09:11
didrocksgotwig: I warn you, doing this update is not trivial09:11
didrocksgotwig: it will break a lot of functionality09:12
didrocksthat's why we don't take it into distro09:12
didrocksgotwig: also talk to ricotz when he's aroud, he's making a latest gnome ppa09:12
gotwigwell I know ricotz :D09:12
didrocksso, you should coordinate with him :)09:13
Laneyhe has something in https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging09:14
gotwign1te09:17
dokodidrocks, pitti, could you have a look at the glib2.0 ftbfs on arm*?09:19
tkamppeterLaney, I have put upa a bug fix for GTK, bug 1053891. The bug prevents users from printing in many cases.09:21
ubot2Launchpad bug 1053891 in gtk+3.0 "GTK print dialog does not allow printing and does not show options of a remote DNS-SD/Bonjour printer" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105389109:21
Laneytkamppeter: ok09:22
Laneyis it upstream?09:22
didrocksseems a test failure, pitti is the expert :)09:24
Laneyhe's been working the test failures already09:24
tkamppeterLaney, I have reported it also upstream, now.09:29
Laneytkamppeter: cheer09:30
Laneys09:30
Laneyif you get somebody else to upload then I will be able to accept09:30
didrockstkamppeter: hey! are you working on bug #932882?09:30
ubot2Launchpad bug 932882 in gutenprint "Update of a printer driver package does not update the PPD files of the existing queues for this driver" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93288209:30
tkamppeterdidrocks, I have looked into it but I am not able to reproduce it, I have tried to stop CUPS and the update process restarts CUPS then, I have tried to update both CUPS and Gutenprint from the same command line, for me the PPDs get always updated.09:33
Sweetsharks2morning everyone!09:34
tkamppeterLaney, you do not have upload rights on GTK?09:34
tkamppeterpitti, can you upload GTK for me, bug 1053891? Thanks.09:34
ubot2Launchpad bug 1053891 in gtk+3.0 "GTK print dialog does not allow printing and does not show options of a remote DNS-SD/Bonjour printer" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105389109:34
Laneytkamppeter: I do. I mean that if I am the one to upload it then I cannot then accept it through the freeze09:34
didrockstkamppeter: can you put it as incomplete then and downgrade to medium the priority of it?09:35
didrockstkamppeter: let's get a real list of things we can fix that way! Thanks :)09:35
* Sweetsharks2 is on limited connectivity today. Can join this wifi with my android phone only, so I cant see my Canonical email. I will try to check those at the airport ~1400 UTC09:37
tkamppeterdidrocks, done.09:37
didrockstkamppeter: thanks :)09:37
didrockshey Sweetsharks2!09:38
tkamppeterpitti, can you accept uploads through the freeze, or upload GTK so that Laney can accept it? Thanks.09:39
Laneyhe's not on the release team any more ;(09:39
LaneyI could upload it and get someone else to review09:39
* Sweetsharks2 waves back at didrocks.09:39
Laneytkamppeter: I'll do that09:39
LaneyDEP3 patch headers would be nice in future btw09:40
pittitkamppeter, Laney: I can accept it from the -proposed queue; and uploading GTK to -proposed is a good idea anyway09:40
pitti(sorry, DSL reconnect)09:40
Laneyit's ok, I'm doing it now09:40
Laneyrelease team reviews should be the same for proposed09:40
Laneyas there's not really any further check guaranteed when someone copies it to release09:41
Laneytkamppeter: Shouldn't the preceding httpSeparateURI be put in an else block of that if you added?09:48
tkamppeterLaney, no, the first httpSeparateURI determines the method. If the method is dnssd, the second is done, if it is not dnssd, the result of the first is OK.09:54
Laneyoh, that's an out parameter09:55
Laneyta09:55
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pittiearly start/end today, have a nice weekend everyone!10:53
ogra_pitti, enjoy10:56
didrockssee you pitti :)11:01
Laneyhum11:13
Laneythe retracers tell you to upgrade to packages in -proposed if there are newer ones there11:13
* Sweetsharks2 hopes 4000mAh are enough to finish this LibreOffice release build.11:23
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Laneyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/105367011:57
ubot2Launchpad bug 1053670 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [Medium,Confirmed]11:57
Laneythe trace mentions dbusmenu, and they started coming in very soon after that upload11:57
Laneycharles: ^ ;-)11:59
tkamppeterLaney, I have tested the GTK package from quantal-proposed and it works (bug 1053891).12:06
ubot2Launchpad bug 1053891 in gtk+3.0 "GTK print dialog does not allow printing and does not show options of a remote DNS-SD/Bonjour printer" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105389112:06
Laneytkamppeter: good, should be copied over when all arches build12:06
* Laney goes to lunch12:06
dokodidrocks, anybody working on the glib2.0 ftbfs?12:07
didrocksdoko: as Laney stated above: 11:24:55         Laney | he's been working the test failures already12:10
didrocksit's in -proposed anyway, so won't get copied to quantal12:11
didrocksso pitti is on it12:11
dokoahh, ok12:13
dokodidrocks, hmm, no, the failure is in quantal too :-/12:19
didrocksoh?12:19
doko2.33.14-1 is in quantal, the svn version in -proposed12:20
desrtbonan matenon, ĉiuj12:20
didrockshey desrt12:20
didrocksdoko: one sec12:20
didrocksdoko: right, but 3.5.18-0ubuntu2 didn't FTBFS from what I see12:21
didrocksso the version which FTBFS is only in proposde12:21
didrocksproposed12:21
dokodidrocks, no, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.33.14-1 shows the same ftbfs12:22
didrocksah glib12:22
didrockssorry, was one gtk12:22
dokogtk is ok12:23
didrocksdoko: seems pitti already did try different fixes for it12:23
didrocksand he's the one knowing the best the testsuite12:24
dokook12:24
* Sweetsharks2 is leaveing on a jetplane.12:37
didrocksSweetsharks2: have a safe flight!12:38
desrtSweetsharks2: ciao12:40
dokodidrocks, is the evolution demotion correct?12:57
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czajkowskiLaney: so who can I poke re the powering off not working?13:13
czajkowskiforogt about it and came back to a nearly dead laptop :/13:13
didrocksdoko: no, I'll look at it why13:13
didrockscyphermox: do you why what happened around evolution btw? ^13:14
jbichaczajkowski: it's probably at least related to bug 86117113:17
ubot2Launchpad bug 861171 in policykit "Shutdown from greeter does nothing when multiple accounts open" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86117113:18
czajkowskijbicha: hmm interesting it doesnt seem to matter if it's one account or many13:22
jbichamaybe it got worse then13:26
jbichaI wonder if it could be confused by system services running in the background as different users13:26
jbichaI think the primary problem could just be solved if we wrote a policykit policy to give admin users the chance to shutdown anyway even if other users are logged in13:28
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cyphermoxdidrocks: no idea13:38
cyphermoxhave you found out why it was demoted?13:39
didrockscyphermox: no, wanted to know if anything changed13:40
Laneythere's no reason for it to be in main that I can see13:40
Laneyno rdepends and it's not seeded13:40
didrockscyphermox: evolution was supposed to be in the supported seed?13:40
didrocksLaney: I think we kept it in the supported seed, it's still officially supported13:40
cyphermoxI think it probably was just still partly depended on (e-d-s was anyway) because of thunderbird's eds integration, so maybe it never got in the supported seed13:41
didrocksah ok :)13:41
didrocksadding it there then13:41
cyphermoxI have no idea otherwise, I think you'll find we already added some other things from evo in supported, evolution-exchange maybe ;)13:42
didrocksnop, only  * /^evolution-documentation-/13:42
cyphermoxah, weird13:42
cyphermoxI really thought there was one of them13:42
cyphermoxevolution-documentation-*, does that even exist?13:42
cyphermoxI can't think of a source package that creates it ;)13:43
didrockscyphermox: doesn't seem so13:43
didrocksanyway, evo fixed, in supported now13:43
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didrockslarsu: hum, my machine is almost charged (and the label confirms) but the icon shows 20% charged, is that a symlinking issue?13:49
charlesLaney, thanks!13:49
charlesLaney: I'll take a look13:49
Laneyrocking, thank you13:49
czajkowskijbicha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1053852  my issue.13:50
ubot2Launchpad bug 1053852 in lightdm "machine wont shut down without being forced to" [Undecided,New]13:50
didrockschrisccoulson: hey, did you get some time to do the review?13:54
chrisccoulsondidrocks, i've not commented yet, but i guess it's ok13:55
chrisccoulsonbut then, i don't really have any say in the matter tbh13:55
chrisccoulsonit's a strange idea of chromeless, anyway13:55
chrisccoulsonjust hiding the navigation bar (which doesn't even hide the addressbar if you move it to another toolbar), and keeping all other chrome visible (menu, bookmarks, history, addon manager, addon bar, tabstrip, basically everything except for the navigation bar)13:56
chrisccoulsonodd13:56
chrisccoulsonthis is what i imagine chromeless to look like: https://twitter.com/chrisccoulson/status/245656603737595905/photo/1/large13:57
didrockschrisccoulson: oh really?13:57
chrisccoulson(also firefox)13:57
* didrocks looks13:57
didrockschrisccoulson: hum, looking weird indeed13:57
charlestjaalton: ping13:58
chrisccoulsonour implementation is weird, and there are theme artefacts with the tabstrip when the navigation bar isn't present13:58
chrisccoulsonit just looks bad13:58
didrockschrisccoulson: "nice" :/13:58
didrockschrisccoulson: but firefox doesn't have any chromeless mode?13:58
chrisccoulsondidrocks, yeah, it does. see my screenshot :)13:59
chrisccoulsonthat's the mozilla chromeless13:59
didrockschrisccoulson: this is ours?13:59
didrocksah :)13:59
didrocksok13:59
tjaaltondidrocks: pong13:59
didrocksmisunderstood13:59
didrockstjaalton: hum, did I ping you? :)13:59
tjaaltonoh sorry13:59
tjaaltonI was lazy :)13:59
tjaaltoncharles: ^13:59
mterrychrisccoulson, heyo.  You got a chance to review the webapps firefox plugins, right?  The unity-firefox-extension and webapps-greasemonkey?13:59
didrockstjaalton: stop being lazy! :-)14:00
tjaaltonlazy reader :)14:00
didrocksheh ;)14:00
tjaaltonI just assumed it was you :)14:00
chrisccoulsonmterry, it's pointless me reviewing them, because we're going to ship them regardless of what i find14:00
mterrychrisccoulson, is there a problem with chromeless support?  (reading backlog)14:00
didrockstjaalton: I can fix that and I have bugs for you :p14:00
mterrychrisccoulson, :-/14:00
chrisccoulsonmterry, yeah, it's hideous14:00
tjaalton<tumbleweed>14:00
mterrychrisccoulson, I think we're enabling it?  Is that a bad decision?14:00
charlestjaalton: just checking, in the screenshot you put on https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-datetime/+bug/1053875, that's with language settings set to Finnish, yes?14:01
ubot2Launchpad bug 1053875 in indicator-datetime "space between date and time replaced with extra characters" [High,Confirmed]14:01
chrisccoulsonthe tab strip (why is a tabstrip displayed in "chromeless" anyway) looks bad without the navigation bar with our implementation14:01
tjaaltoncharles: yep14:01
charlestjaalton: I'm not seeing it here and am going to test it out in that setting14:01
didrockscharles: doesn't happen with French for instance14:01
charlesok, thanks14:01
chrisccoulsonalso, we display the entire firefox menu still, including "View -> Toolbars -> Navigation Bar", which doesn't even work14:01
charlesyeah it should show up as an en space, not sure why it isn't in Finnish14:01
mterrychrisccoulson, hmm.  :-/14:02
didrockschrisccoulson: this is because of the appmenu support?14:02
didrockschrisccoulson: like, the real upstream chromeless hides it?14:02
mterrychrisccoulson, well, back to the other thing.  have you found anything any problems with greasemonkey or unity plugins yet?  Or did you not bother looking?14:02
chrisccoulsondidrocks, the real upstream chromeless hides everything (well, it doesn't just hide it, the browser chrome isn't loaded at all. ie, no tabstrip, addon bar, navbar, menubar, sidebars, addon manager etc)14:03
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didrockschrisccoulson: ah, this is the upstream one, do you have an image of ours?14:03
didrockschrisccoulson: and I guess the question is why we don't use the upstream one :)14:03
chrisccoulsondidrocks, that's a question for them14:03
didrocksI know ;)14:03
chrisccoulsonmterry, you really don't want my opinion on greasemonkey :)14:03
charleshmm, no WFM even with my language set to suomi14:06
didrockscharles: do you have latest unity (6.6) (not likely to be the cause, but we never know…)14:07
didrocks?14:07
charlesdidrocks: no, I'm still on 6.4.0-0ubuntu6, I'll do an update14:08
charlesdidrocks: thanks for the suggestion14:08
didrockscharles: no worry, but I'm not really hopeful that will trigger it TBH :/14:08
didrocksfew changes in the panel area14:08
charlestjaalton: any insights on how to trigger it?14:09
charlestjaalton: does the behavior change if you change your locale?14:09
charlestjaalton: and as per dobey's suggestion a few lines up, what version of unity are you on?14:09
tjaaltoncharles: I seem to have another machine with 6.4.0+bzr2680 which has it14:11
dobeyoops, i think i broke charles :)14:11
tjaaltoncharles: the other one has 6.614:11
charlesdobey: lol :)14:12
charlestjaalton: and, what happens if you change language settings?14:13
dokodidrocks, cyphermox: is bogofilter used by evolution too? wants to demote too ...14:15
chrisccoulsondidrocks, that's ours by the way: http://ubuntuone.com/79PlBEH8uxo8dpMcXZ3OdQ14:15
chrisccoulson(see the line under the active tab, which isn't there when the navigation bar is present)14:15
cyphermoxdoko: it's a Recommends, yes. didrocks put evolution in the supported seed earlier14:16
didrockschrisccoulson: yeah, seeing, weird to see the tab, but I think there are design consideration about "external site"14:16
didrockscyphermox: we should upload removing that recommends, doesn't seems necessary to me, wdyt?14:16
cyphermoxdidrocks: it's used by the often unused spam detection thingy in evo14:16
tjaaltoncharles: everything else changed the setting, but indicator-datetime :) (still in finnish..)14:16
didrockscyphermox: do we turn it by default if installed?14:17
cyphermoxnah, IIRC it needs to be enabled in evo14:17
chrisccoulsonright, exercise time14:17
cyphermoxand I think evo will tell you if neither it nor spamassassin are installed14:17
didrockscyphermox: hum, maybe it's still good to let it anyway14:17
dokocyphermox, no, Recommends: evolution-plugins, yelp, bogofilter | spamassassin14:17
cyphermoxso in that case, yeah, Iguess we could remove it14:17
didrocksif it pings you about it14:17
* cyphermox tests14:18
dokoif it demotes, then it only should be the second alternative14:18
didrocksyeah, 2 spam filters is a little bit ETOOMUCH anyway in main14:18
didrockscyphermox: can we confirm us what's the best between the 2?14:18
didrocksyou*14:18
didrockschrisccoulson: good luck!14:19
cyphermoxoh boy14:21
jbichachrisccoulson: that web apps feature keeps the new tab button?14:24
chrisccoulsonjbicha, it keeps everything, except for the navigation bar14:24
chrisccoulsonincluding everything that's normally accessible via the menus14:25
jbichadoesn't sound very useful...14:25
chrisccoulsonwhich is different to the upstream one, which hides absolutely everything14:25
larsudidrocks, checking right now14:25
dokodidrocks, cyphermox: there are some more binaries for demotion: glade, indicator-sync, powerwake.. intended?14:25
didrocksdoko: indicator-sync is a U1 think14:26
didrocksdobey: ^14:26
didrocksdoko: glade was in main? waow14:26
didrocksdoko: glade is fine to demote14:26
didrockspowerwake…14:26
cyphermoxindicator-sync I don't think is intentional, especially since it's just gone through MIR14:26
larsudidrocks, battery-full-symbolic and battery-good-symbolic have the right icons... can you check those two on your system?14:27
didrockscyphermox: I don't think as well, but not sure if they got the FFe/UIFe for inclusion by default14:27
didrockslarsu: doing14:27
didrockslarsu: the full is fine14:27
dokodidrocks, apparently other glade binaries are still in main14:27
didrockslarsu: it's just the one before14:27
didrocksdoko: right, the glade binaries are needed in main14:27
didrocksdoko: glade itself… not really14:27
cyphermoxdidrocks: not yet, there's a bug but skaet NAK'd it, it was missing rationale14:27
Laneyno, it was denied14:28
dobeyuh yeah, indicator-sync should not be demoted14:28
Laneyperhaps we want to put it in supported14:28
larsudidrocks, the one right before is -good, right charles?14:28
didrockscyphermox: shouldn't be promoted or added to a seed meanwhile then14:28
dokodobey, could you seed it?14:28
dokocyphermox, what do you refer to?14:28
didrocksdoko: sorry, I meant "glade libraries"14:28
cyphermoxdoko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sync/+bug/105348214:29
ubot2Launchpad bug 1053482 in unity "[FFe] [UIFe] Install indicator-sync by default" [Undecided,New]14:29
dobeydoko: not if skaet won't let me, no :)14:29
dobeybut i would like to yes :)14:29
didrocksdobey: you can put in the supported seed14:29
dokodobey, demote it?14:29
didrocksdobey: that won't install it by default14:30
didrockslarsu: the symlinks looks good14:30
Laneydoesn't seem to particularly matter if it falls out of main though14:30
Laneythe source package will still be there, no?14:30
mterrydidrocks, feel like some NEW reviews?14:31
dobeydoko: why demote it? i don't understand why demoting it is even a question. it just went into main14:31
didrockslarsu: however, just before I see battery-full-charged-symbolic, I get battery-low-charging-symbolic14:31
Laneydobey: things only stay in main if there is a reason for them to do so14:31
didrocksmterry: if it's short, fine for me14:31
cyphermoxdoko: you meant indicator-sync the binary package, right? libsync-menu1 is still going to be in main14:31
Laneythere is no reason ATM for indicator-sync to stay there.14:31
larsudidrocks, a bug in indicator-power maybe?14:31
dokocyphermox, yes, the binary14:32
didrockslarsu: yeah, that would be my bet14:32
didrockslarsu: minor, keeping it in mind, if you use your laptop on battery, try to watch this14:32
cyphermoxin this case it doesn't really matter if it's in main or universe until it gets installed by default, AFAIK14:32
larsudidrocks, will do14:32
larsudidrocks, thanks for the pointer14:32
didrockslarsu: no worry, I'll keep you posted14:32
charlesdidrocks, larsu: here's a cheatsheet of what icons i-power is looking for, and in what order14:32
charlesdidrocks, larsu: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-power/trunk.12.10/view/head:/tests/test-device.cc#L22214:33
didrockscharles: ah, so it's the same icon from 5% charging to 95%?14:34
didrocksI confirm it's what I saw14:34
didrockslarsu: ^14:34
charlesdidrocks: yes, that's the way the spec wants it14:35
didrocksok, it's puzzling, but mistery solved14:35
didrocksmpt: hey, it's weird ^14:35
didrocks:)14:35
charlesdidrocks:14:35
dobeywoah, nautilus just went insane on my laptop with latest updates in q14:35
charles  This function's logic differs from GSD's power plugin in some ways:14:36
charles  1. All charging batteries use the same icon regardless of progress.14:36
charles  <https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-power/+bug/824629/comments/7>14:36
ubot2Launchpad bug 824629 in ayatana-design "Time to charge may be hard to distinguish from time to discharge" [Low,Fix released]14:36
didrockscharles: oh I trust that you followed the spec :)14:36
didrocksjust that it's weird14:36
charlesmpt, didrocks: given the new icons, it might be time to revisit / eliminate 82462914:36
didrocksI was thinking that after a 10 minutes without AC and plugin again, I saw something like 20% of charged14:36
didrockscharles: yeah, would be good I think, to approximately see where the loading is about14:37
charlesdidrocks: iirc the issue was that the 'fill' level in the battery icon made it difficult to see the charging lightning icon14:37
cyphermoxdidrocks: I wouldn't be able to say that bogofilter or spamassassin is better, but what's for sure is bogofilter appears to have fewer dependencies than spamassassin14:38
didrockscharles: yeah, I can understand, but it's not consistent with what you can expect and other dekstop/mobile OS are doing14:38
charlesdidrocks: *nod*14:39
didrockscyphermox: I think we'll need to pick one :)14:39
cyphermoxI know ;)14:40
cyphermoxhow's a 600k + difference in "CD size", still any relevant?14:40
cyphermoxIIRC we still have a top limit at some point ;)14:40
didrockscyphermox: well, not in any CD14:40
cyphermoxoh, true14:40
didrockscyphermox: so really your pick, on the one which seems to be the most active upstream14:40
didrockscyphermox: I think you can delay the check on Monday14:41
dokospamassassin has more rdeps14:41
didrocksyeah, I checked that14:42
didrockshowever, I don't konw the rdeps14:42
didrocksknow*14:42
didrocksapart from kmail14:42
cyphermoxwhere did you see kmail?14:46
cyphermoxneither look very active, TBH, but I'm leaning more towards spamassassin14:47
dobeyhow active does a spam filter really need to be upstream? bogofilter itself doesn't really do much, user has to do all the training, and spamassassin is basically just rules updates14:50
didrockscyphermox: once you have reach a decision, if it's spamassassin, can you revert the recommends between them?14:50
cyphermoxyeah14:51
Sweetsharkdidrocks: which one was the libreoffice metapackage bug again?14:52
didrocksSweetshark: bug #1045165 (see http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html)14:53
ubot2Launchpad bug 1045165 in libreoffice "libreoffice is shown as no longer supported on upgrade to quantal" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104516514:53
Sweetsharkdidrocks: thx14:54
didrocksyw :)14:54
dokoSweetshark, could you followup or close bug #1034560 ?14:54
ubot2Launchpad bug 1034560 in libserializer "[MIR] libloader-java, libformula-java, librepository-java, libfonts-java, libserializer-java " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103456014:54
dokoand 103455814:57
didrockstjaalton: did you try a guest session btw?14:57
tjaaltondidrocks: now I did, same thing14:58
dokodidrocks, ahh, powerwake is server stuff14:58
didrocksok, worthed a try in case there was a local factor :)14:58
didrocksdoko: ah, that explains why I never saw it :)14:58
Sweetsharkdoko: done14:58
Sweetsharkdoko: postponed to next cycle14:59
dokook14:59
davidcalledidrocks, hi, what's the recommended way to land small bugfixes at this stage? New upstream release, distro patch?15:05
didrocksdavidcalle: depends, if one or two commits, distro patch15:05
didrocksif more -> I would prefer a release15:05
davidcalledidrocks, two commits.15:07
Sweetsharkdidrocks, micahg: could you review http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f60525baa5d8f0b0c195cf3dfc4b12d6c6aa1e1 and http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commitdiff;h=8fd97c90d9fef961b4143337f7aad2f1617273a2 ?15:07
didrocksdavidcalle: should be fine, can't deal with that before monday (in meetings)15:07
didrocksSweetshark: same answer ^15:07
didrocksif anyone else in the team want to have a look15:08
davidcallemterry, hi, would you have time for a small distro patch to the photos lens?15:09
davidcalledidrocks, thanks15:09
mterrydavidcalle, it won't land for B2, but OK15:10
mterrycan go into -proposed15:10
davidcallemterry, oh, I've just noticed you are on the webapps stuff, nevermind, it will wait ;)15:11
mterrydavidcalle, that is quiet right this second, I can help15:12
didrocksdavidcalle: please add tests15:12
didrocksfor the regressions15:12
didrocksand the manual tests (I didn't look yet for them ;))15:13
davidcalledidrocks, I hope you didn't. I still need to look at how they are done now, looks like they have changed since last cycle.15:13
didrocksdavidcalle: just do manual one before the next upload please15:14
davidcalledidrocks, ok15:14
didrocksmerci! :)15:15
davidcallemterry, I'll ping you about it later then, thanks :)15:15
tjaaltoncharles, didrocks: further updates seem to have fixed the datetime issue15:16
didrocksurgh?15:16
* didrocks is puzzled15:16
tjaaltonme too..15:16
tjaaltonI'll check the other machine too15:17
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tjaaltonyup, fixed15:21
didrockstjaalton: weird, would be interested in the list of packages you updated :)15:21
tjaaltonprobably the libgtk-3 update15:22
micahgSweetshark: looks fine to me, you might want to also see if you need to change that font to its new name as it was renamed in precise15:22
tjaaltonnot that many that were updated15:22
didrocksok :)15:22
tkamppeterdidrocks, is there still anything to do on bug 1053891? Or is it now only waiting for someone with appropriate rights to put it into Quantal?15:37
ubot2Launchpad bug 1053891 in gtk+3.0 "GTK print dialog does not allow printing and does not show options of a remote DNS-SD/Bonjour printer" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105389115:37
didrockstkamppeter: nothing needed, I just targeted it so that we don't loose track of it. Thanks!15:37
charlestjaalton, huh. okay15:39
charlestjaalton: thanks for the update :)15:39
tjaaltoncharles: there were also some language-pack updates, more likely that it was a bug there15:42
didrocksyeah, most likely15:44
micahgSweetshark: BTW, I wouldn't bother with an upload for this to beta 2 IMHO, it should go in for final though15:52
chrisccoulsonphew, knackered16:06
didrockschrisccoulson: hey! Can you please comment on bug #1040313 and bug #1053578? The release/PS team is asking to have some comments from you to take their decision16:17
ubot2Launchpad bug 1040313 in libunity-webapps "[FFE] Update WebApps to support Firefox" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104031316:17
ubot2Launchpad bug 1053578 in firefox "[FFE] [UIFE] add chromeless mode to Firefox" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105357816:17
didrocksskaet: ^16:17
davidcallemterry, hi again, i've added manual tests for each photo provider. Do you still have time for an upload?16:22
skaetdidrocks,  ack.16:40
* didrocks waves good evening and good week-end now!16:42
didrockssee you on Monday everyone :)16:42
Laneybye!16:45
Laney(too slow)16:45
xnoxwhat is the package of the desktop keyboard indicator?17:07
xnoxaka general keyboard layout settings17:07
xnoxg-s-c ?17:07
mterrydavidcalle, nope, not right this second, sorry17:10
davidcallemterry, ok :)17:21
chrisccoulsonhmmm, firefox + valgrind = PAIN17:42
xnoxchrisccoulson: i think the pain starts at the first argument.17:46
chrisccoulsonnot really ;)17:47
chrisccoulsonbugger, so one of the recent commits to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~extension-hackers/globalmenu-extension/trunk/changes has introduced quite a sizeable leak :(17:48
chrisccoulsonah, found my memory leak :)20:05
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dupondjeAnyone else with issues browsing to smb mounts in nautilus?21:21
Sweetsharkmicahg: I wouldnt bother any release or timing for this issue alone. It will be piggybacked whatever unitymenus changes there are.22:45
Sweetshark(those are the critical stuff, both from a regression risk and a timing/feature view ...22:46
micahgSweetshark: well, we should get an upload before final freeze, but I assume you'll have other changes before then22:48
Sweetsharkmicahg: sure22:48
micahgSweetshark: have a good weekend22:57
Sweetsharkmicahg: thanks, you too.22:57
* Sweetshark just arrived back home after a long flight.22:58

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