[01:04] tkamppeter: could you take a look at bug 1050602 when you're around? [01:04] Launchpad bug 1050602 in ghostscript "gs 9.06 segfaults when converting to png, bmp, tiff, etc." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1050602 === robru|dinner is now known as robru [02:15] does anyone know why even after removing transmission it still somehow spawns up? [02:15] like if you click a magnet url? [02:15] bkerensa: how did you remove it? [02:17] sarnold: apt-get remove transmission [02:18] bkerensa: somewhere along the way the package was renamed to transmission-gtk, iirc. Try dpkg -l 'transmission*' to see which transmission packages are still installed, if any === fenris is now known as Guest78410 === fenris_ is now known as Guest60646 [03:10] Good morning [03:25] pitti: good morn [03:25] hey desrt [03:30] Morning pitti [03:30] Hey desrt! [03:30] hi [03:30] you had a question for me the other day... [03:31] desrt: The gdbus bitch I wanted to get off my chest was how it breaks software that uses libdbus. [03:31] oh? [03:31] how so? [03:31] (and why should i care?) ;) [03:31] Because it always spawns a thread, and does libdbus calls on it, without ever initialising libdbus' threadsafety, or suggesting that the caller might want to do that. [03:32] no.... [03:32] gdbus never calls libdbus [03:34] ...hm. [03:35] Ah. So there's something else in our stack which is. [03:35] glad i could help :) [03:37] desrt: So gdbus has its own dbus implementation? [03:37] from scratch [03:38] glib has a libdbus depend in ./configure but only so the testcases can compare serialisation for compatibility [03:38] it's never used at runtime [03:41] bedtime here [03:41] laters :) [03:41] Catch you :) [05:26] good morning [05:33] bonjour didrocks [05:43] guten morgen pitti (sorry, already in useless paperwork), how are you? [05:44] je vais bien! having "fun" with sandboxing a gnome-session with a mock upower for testing [05:44] pitti: lucky you to be able to work on technical things :) [05:45] * pitti hugs didrocks [05:45] * didrocks hugs pitti back [06:04] HI I have installed some packages on my Ubuntu/Precise 12.04. I have forgot the list of the packages that I have installed, is there any command could provide me the history of the packages installed? Tx [06:05] bizhanMona: you can see some good history in /var/log/apt/history.log [06:08] didrocks: thx [06:09] yw === AfC1 is now known as AfC [06:35] didrocks: nice unity bug fix list! [06:36] pitti: isn't it? :) [06:36] pitti: a lot of FFe in them though :/ [06:42] hrm, is it a known issue that after login the screen stays blank and does not load to the full desktop? or should I start debugging? [06:42] mvo: ah, not known, some people even installed -proposed yesterday without any issue [06:43] didrocks: compiz[11350] trap int3 ip:xxxx sp:xxxx error:0 [06:43] didrocks: from dmesg, let me try if I can get apport to trigger [06:43] mvo: do you mind reporting the crash if any? [06:44] yep :) [06:45] heh :) "TypeError: 'in ' requires string as left operand, not byte" from the source_xorg.py plugin [06:45] hum, I thought bryceh fixed that one? ^ [06:46] all updates from this morning are installed [06:46] maybe its not build yet [06:47] mvo: juts tell that your issue is not graphical to bypass the xorg hook :) [06:47] in reporting your bug [06:48] yeah, tried reporting via cli/linux-console, but that did not went too well, LP does not really like the ascii browser anymore it seems [06:48] * mvo will login failsafe [06:57] mvo: better? [06:57] mvo: you can do a local retracing otherwise you have the -dbgsym handy [07:00] didrocks: bug #1053848 [07:00] mvo: can you add me to subscriber? :) [07:01] * didrocks wants access :p [07:01] didrocks: *cough* I thought you can see *everything* ;) [07:01] mvo: sure sure, I'm just pretending to not bein able :) [07:01] being* [07:01] mvo: looking with the unity guys on it now [07:01] didrocks: added you now, should I leave it as is or try something like unity --reset to see if that fixes it, i.e. if its a local setting or something [07:01] didrocks: cool, any channel I should join? [07:02] mvo: can you try a guest session and run "unity" there? [07:03] mvo: asking duflu to come here [07:03] didrocks: guest session appears fine [07:03] mvo: with unity? [07:03] didrocks: yes [07:03] ah, interesting [07:03] so, what do you have in your config making that… [07:04] duflu: hey, just a summary, seems that mvo can run unity successfully with a guest account [07:04] didrocks: not much really, I think :) my ccsm days are over, I just customized some stuff via the normal control center like focus follow mouse, custom keybindings etc [07:04] duflu: so, seems to be a settings, let's see once retraced, but I bet gsettings-related [07:05] mvo: we migrated some custom keybindings (but there is a bug in glib making that not all key are transitionned successfully) [07:05] didrocks: OK, will wait. In the mean time I will be in and out (crashing X) [07:05] duflu: enjoy :) [07:06] pitti: anything I can buy you to get bug #1053848 retraced soon? :) [07:07] didrocks: ok, I will keep the system as it is and log into openbox or something in the meantime [07:07] mvo: heh, that will remind you old times :) [07:07] (I personnaly likes fluxbox) [07:08] didrocks: ahah, indeed [07:19] mvo: retrace failed :/ [07:21] good morning everyone [07:21] hey chrisccoulson! [07:21] how are you? [07:22] didrocks, quite tired. had quite a late night last night. how are you? [07:22] chrisccoulson: quite relieved to have unity/compiz stack landed and an iso spinning soon with it :) [07:22] chrisccoulson: paperwork prepared for the release team, we are on track! [07:22] I had a question from the release team though, about the firefox webapp support [07:23] I know you discussed with the webapps guys [07:23] can you update myself please where we are at? [07:23] (sorry to bother you with that, but I prefer to have things prepared for the meeting with PS later today) [07:24] i need to check up on the bug, but i think they want me to look at a merge after i highlighted some issues with their "chromeless" support [07:24] not sure if all of those have been addressed yet [07:25] chrisccoulson: do you think you will be able to do it today and keep me up to date then? (the meeting is at 4PM UTC) [07:25] yeah, sure [07:25] chrisccoulson: thanks a lot :) [07:26] still trying to clear up some mess i found from bug 1051152 too, which resulted in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~extension-hackers/globalmenu-extension/trunk/revision/451 last night ;) [07:26] Launchpad bug 1051152 in globalmenu-extension "Firefox 16 beta crash in nsIContent::SetAttr with greasemonkey installed" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1051152 [07:26] chrisccoulson: so, you definitively hates greasemonkey now? :) [07:26] yes [07:26] i hated it before, anyway [07:26] chrisccoulson: for their upstream code, how does mozilla handles it? [07:27] chrisccoulson: I guess they have quite some issues with such popular extensions [07:27] especially when firefox has a supported mechanism for injecting script in to content that doesn't rely on greasemonkey, and is future proof (so it will continue to work with multiple content processes, whereas greasemonkey will stop working) [07:28] oh, mozilla have a blocklist mechanism for problematic addons ;) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [07:28] ok, they just badlist it if something is really wrong with the extension? [07:28] although, that's normally used for malware, addons which introduce a security problem or as a last resort for addons which cause other problems (such as ours, causing crashes) [07:29] I want a feature freeze exception for this commit for gnome control center: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=45ba8e89e86397df912e07df14d76373f1c7e7af this fixes the error message from firewallid for finding network printers in Printers panel under GNOME Shell [07:29] chrisccoulson: ok, got it :) [07:30] gotwig: please follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess [07:30] gotwig: you will need an UIFe as well (same page) [07:57] hey [07:57] hey Laney, how are you? [07:58] glad we got to the freeze :P [07:58] but yeah, good. you? [07:59] Laney: approximately the same feeling :) [08:02] :-) [08:05] is it a known bug that the date on the indicator has some weird characters on fresh quantal? [08:06] tjaalton: no, don't get that one, please file a bug and ping me [08:06] screenshot would be useful [08:06] Laney: found another bug! my machine won't power off! found this out the hard way and woke up to no battery :/ [08:06] larsu: hey, did you hear about anything like that? ^ [08:06] didrocks: ok, at least with finnish locale [08:06] czajkowski: won't power off? [08:06] tjaalton: for once, french one is fine :) [08:06] Laney: nope hit shut down from menu, brings me back to thelogin screen [08:06] Laney: have to hold the power button to shut it off [08:06] tjaalton, didrocks, haven't heard of that one yet, no [08:07] ok let me get a screenshot first [08:08] Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1053852 [08:08] Launchpad bug 1053852 in lightdm "machine wont shut down without being forced to" [Undecided,New] [08:08] hm, is there no apport hook for lightdm? [08:08] hmm, and auto-raise got turned on [08:09] (i have just focus-follows-mouse) [08:09] *had [08:09] czajkowski: can you attach the files from /var/log/lightdm please [08:11] larsu, didrocks: http://koti.kapsi.fi/~tjaalton/tmp/date.png [08:12] indeed, quite annoying :/ larsu: can you track it, with charles if needed? ^ [08:12] tjaalton: a bug would be appreciated [08:12] sure [08:13] against..? [08:13] tjaalton, indicator-datetime [08:13] thanks [08:13] didrocks, I won't be able to fix it today, have to finish a gtk patch, I'll let charles know as soon as he's online [08:14] larsu: sure, there is time, but would be nice to fix it before my EOD so that we can have it for beta2 [08:14] didrocks, agreed. [08:14] larsu: keep me posted (or tell charles to keep me posted ;)) [08:14] thanks! :) [08:18] filed bug 1053875 [08:18] Launchpad bug 1053875 in indicator-datetime "space between date and time replaced with extra characters" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053875 [08:18] mvo: tell me when you have some time so that we play with your dconf config [08:18] tjaalton, thanks! [08:24] didrocks: now [08:24] * Laney sidles up to chrisccoulson [08:24] oh, Chriiiis? [08:24] mvo: ok, so, just for testing, but can you try renaming you .config/dconf/user? [08:24] mvo: so that we ensure it's a gsettings key to be at fault here [08:24] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= ← webapps there. Is it sane? [08:25] didrocks: hm, same deal [08:25] mvo: ah, what can it be then? hum :/ [08:26] mvo: I guess you never ever installed unity by hand… [08:26] didrocks: uhhhhhhh, let me double check, a long time ago I did a patch for unity [08:26] mvo: oh? so having some special .compiz, .compiz-1 content maybe? [08:26] and .config/compiz-1 [08:27] didrocks: let me double check [08:29] didrocks: .compiz-1 -> .compiz-1.xxx was it [08:29] didrocks: now it works [08:29] mvo: yeah, you have an old compiz/unity installation [08:29] mvo: didn't really like the ABI break I guess :p [08:29] didrocks: so that would only be quantal->quantal? [08:30] mvo: that's only people compiling by hand and installing a local version [08:30] oh, I have local plugins?!? [08:30] not using packages [08:30] how is that [08:30] yep [08:30] when you worked on it I guess [08:30] it's installing them in .compiz-1/ [08:30] didrocks: yeah, I cleaned /usr/local but I did not think about this [08:31] mvo: yeah, it's puzzling, I know :) [08:31] mvo: btw #1 issue when PS reports a crash and ping me about their code, telling that quantal is broken :p [08:31] didrocks: hm, I killed the .so files now but still no luck, so even session and .xml [08:31] kills it [08:31] mvo: didn't you tell me that renaming the .compiz-1 worked? [08:32] mvo: oh, not related, but think to rename (out of the session) your ~/.config/dconf/user file to not loose your dconf config :) [08:33] didrocks: yeah, renaming worked [08:34] mvo: can you run tree on your content in it? [08:36] didrocks: a bunch of xml and a bunch of session files [08:37] mvo: so, removing all xml files didn't work? [08:38] didrocks: removing the xml helped, so that is what it crashed it [08:38] didrocks: interessted in debugging further? [08:38] didrocks: or should I just remove them? [08:38] mvo: no, you had those xml because of the local install [08:38] mvo: and some keys changed [08:38] didrocks: ok [08:38] so compiz was trying to load an unexisting keys for you I guess [08:39] hence the crash [08:39] but really related to your local install :) [08:39] phew! Thanks mvo :) [08:39] didrocks: :) [08:40] didrocks: thank you, sorry for wasting your time [08:40] mvo: no worry at all ;) [08:40] didrocks: one further question, how do I get back my focus-follow-mouse? can't see it in the control center [08:40] or am I just blind? [08:40] mvo: it wasn't in control-center IIRC, not sure how you set it [08:41] mvo: did you do this: [08:41] didrocks: ccsm seem to have no effect too [08:41] 10:32:38 didrocks | mvo: oh, not related, but think to rename (out of the session) your ~/.config/dconf/user file to not loose [08:41] | your dconf config :) [08:41] didrocks: I did! [08:41] hum, so maybe the data is not read anymore [08:41] oh, gtk-window-decorator moved to gsettings [08:41] I bet the config was in gconf [08:42] mvo: do you remember the name of the key? [08:42] didrocks: no :( [08:42] can try to find it in gsettings [08:42] hum, let me try to look at it [08:42] mvo: where was it in g-c-c? [08:42] didrocks: I can search for it too, no worries [08:43] mvo: don't find it easily, but the migration code was only gconf -> gsettings, so it should still work, if you didn't find it anymore, just poke me and I'll look [08:43] didrocks: hm, let me dig around a bit, its my own pet specal configuration (focus-follow-mouse, autoraise) and most people will not care [08:44] didrocks: thanks again for your help [08:44] mvo: you're really welcomed :) [08:49] didrocks: yipieee, org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences made me a happy man again [08:50] mvo: excellent! Thanks for the update :) [08:56] is gnome with the new languages and regions going to come to quantal? [08:56] *languages and regions panel for gnome control center [08:56] gotwig: no, we stay on the earlier gnome-control-center version [08:56] for quantal [08:57] didrocks: so no new languages and regions for 12.10? [08:57] *packaged for 12.10 [08:57] no [08:57] I would be interessted in a PPA :X [08:57] will be in R [08:57] 13.04? [08:57] yep [08:58] alright === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [09:11] didrocks: do you know how to make a PPA? [09:11] gotwig: you should go to #ubuntu-motu to get some help on that I guess and read the launchpad help on ppas [09:11] gotwig: I warn you, doing this update is not trivial [09:12] gotwig: it will break a lot of functionality [09:12] that's why we don't take it into distro [09:12] gotwig: also talk to ricotz when he's aroud, he's making a latest gnome ppa [09:12] well I know ricotz :D [09:13] so, you should coordinate with him :) [09:14] he has something in https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging [09:17] n1te [09:19] didrocks, pitti, could you have a look at the glib2.0 ftbfs on arm*? [09:21] Laney, I have put upa a bug fix for GTK, bug 1053891. The bug prevents users from printing in many cases. [09:21] Launchpad bug 1053891 in gtk+3.0 "GTK print dialog does not allow printing and does not show options of a remote DNS-SD/Bonjour printer" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053891 [09:22] tkamppeter: ok [09:22] is it upstream? [09:24] seems a test failure, pitti is the expert :) [09:24] he's been working the test failures already [09:29] Laney, I have reported it also upstream, now. [09:30] tkamppeter: cheer [09:30] s [09:30] if you get somebody else to upload then I will be able to accept [09:30] tkamppeter: hey! are you working on bug #932882? [09:30] Launchpad bug 932882 in gutenprint "Update of a printer driver package does not update the PPD files of the existing queues for this driver" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/932882 [09:33] didrocks, I have looked into it but I am not able to reproduce it, I have tried to stop CUPS and the update process restarts CUPS then, I have tried to update both CUPS and Gutenprint from the same command line, for me the PPDs get always updated. [09:34] morning everyone! [09:34] Laney, you do not have upload rights on GTK? [09:34] pitti, can you upload GTK for me, bug 1053891? Thanks. [09:34] Launchpad bug 1053891 in gtk+3.0 "GTK print dialog does not allow printing and does not show options of a remote DNS-SD/Bonjour printer" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053891 [09:34] tkamppeter: I do. I mean that if I am the one to upload it then I cannot then accept it through the freeze [09:35] tkamppeter: can you put it as incomplete then and downgrade to medium the priority of it? [09:35] tkamppeter: let's get a real list of things we can fix that way! Thanks :) [09:37] * Sweetsharks2 is on limited connectivity today. Can join this wifi with my android phone only, so I cant see my Canonical email. I will try to check those at the airport ~1400 UTC [09:37] didrocks, done. [09:37] tkamppeter: thanks :) [09:38] hey Sweetsharks2! [09:39] pitti, can you accept uploads through the freeze, or upload GTK so that Laney can accept it? Thanks. [09:39] he's not on the release team any more ;( [09:39] I could upload it and get someone else to review [09:39] * Sweetsharks2 waves back at didrocks. [09:39] tkamppeter: I'll do that [09:40] DEP3 patch headers would be nice in future btw [09:40] tkamppeter, Laney: I can accept it from the -proposed queue; and uploading GTK to -proposed is a good idea anyway [09:40] (sorry, DSL reconnect) [09:40] it's ok, I'm doing it now [09:40] release team reviews should be the same for proposed [09:41] as there's not really any further check guaranteed when someone copies it to release [09:48] tkamppeter: Shouldn't the preceding httpSeparateURI be put in an else block of that if you added? [09:54] Laney, no, the first httpSeparateURI determines the method. If the method is dnssd, the second is done, if it is not dnssd, the result of the first is OK. [09:55] oh, that's an out parameter [09:55] ta === Amaranthus is now known as Amaranth === Amaranth is now known as Amaranthus === Amaranthus is now known as Amaranth [10:53] early start/end today, have a nice weekend everyone! [10:56] pitti, enjoy [11:01] see you pitti :) [11:13] hum [11:13] the retracers tell you to upgrade to packages in -proposed if there are newer ones there [11:23] * Sweetsharks2 hopes 4000mAh are enough to finish this LibreOffice release build. === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:57] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1053670 [11:57] Launchpad bug 1053670 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [Medium,Confirmed] [11:57] the trace mentions dbusmenu, and they started coming in very soon after that upload [11:59] charles: ^ ;-) [12:06] Laney, I have tested the GTK package from quantal-proposed and it works (bug 1053891). [12:06] Launchpad bug 1053891 in gtk+3.0 "GTK print dialog does not allow printing and does not show options of a remote DNS-SD/Bonjour printer" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053891 [12:06] tkamppeter: good, should be copied over when all arches build [12:06] * Laney goes to lunch [12:07] didrocks, anybody working on the glib2.0 ftbfs? [12:10] doko: as Laney stated above: 11:24:55 Laney | he's been working the test failures already [12:11] it's in -proposed anyway, so won't get copied to quantal [12:11] so pitti is on it [12:13] ahh, ok [12:19] didrocks, hmm, no, the failure is in quantal too :-/ [12:19] oh? [12:20] 2.33.14-1 is in quantal, the svn version in -proposed [12:20] bonan matenon, ĉiuj [12:20] hey desrt [12:20] doko: one sec [12:21] doko: right, but 3.5.18-0ubuntu2 didn't FTBFS from what I see [12:21] so the version which FTBFS is only in proposde [12:21] proposed [12:22] didrocks, no, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.33.14-1 shows the same ftbfs [12:22] ah glib [12:22] sorry, was one gtk [12:23] gtk is ok [12:23] doko: seems pitti already did try different fixes for it [12:24] and he's the one knowing the best the testsuite [12:24] ok [12:37] * Sweetsharks2 is leaveing on a jetplane. [12:38] Sweetsharks2: have a safe flight! [12:40] Sweetsharks2: ciao [12:57] didrocks, is the evolution demotion correct? === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:13] Laney: so who can I poke re the powering off not working? [13:13] forogt about it and came back to a nearly dead laptop :/ [13:13] doko: no, I'll look at it why [13:14] cyphermox: do you why what happened around evolution btw? ^ [13:17] czajkowski: it's probably at least related to bug 861171 [13:18] Launchpad bug 861171 in policykit "Shutdown from greeter does nothing when multiple accounts open" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861171 [13:22] jbicha: hmm interesting it doesnt seem to matter if it's one account or many [13:26] maybe it got worse then [13:26] I wonder if it could be confused by system services running in the background as different users [13:28] I think the primary problem could just be solved if we wrote a policykit policy to give admin users the chance to shutdown anyway even if other users are logged in === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [13:38] didrocks: no idea [13:39] have you found out why it was demoted? [13:40] cyphermox: no, wanted to know if anything changed [13:40] there's no reason for it to be in main that I can see [13:40] no rdepends and it's not seeded [13:40] cyphermox: evolution was supposed to be in the supported seed? [13:40] Laney: I think we kept it in the supported seed, it's still officially supported [13:41] I think it probably was just still partly depended on (e-d-s was anyway) because of thunderbird's eds integration, so maybe it never got in the supported seed [13:41] ah ok :) [13:41] adding it there then [13:42] I have no idea otherwise, I think you'll find we already added some other things from evo in supported, evolution-exchange maybe ;) [13:42] nop, only * /^evolution-documentation-/ [13:42] ah, weird [13:42] I really thought there was one of them [13:42] evolution-documentation-*, does that even exist? [13:43] I can't think of a source package that creates it ;) [13:43] cyphermox: doesn't seem so [13:43] anyway, evo fixed, in supported now === skaet_ is now known as skaet [13:49] larsu: hum, my machine is almost charged (and the label confirms) but the icon shows 20% charged, is that a symlinking issue? [13:49] Laney, thanks! [13:49] Laney: I'll take a look [13:49] rocking, thank you [13:50] jbicha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1053852 my issue. [13:50] Launchpad bug 1053852 in lightdm "machine wont shut down without being forced to" [Undecided,New] [13:54] chrisccoulson: hey, did you get some time to do the review? [13:55] didrocks, i've not commented yet, but i guess it's ok [13:55] but then, i don't really have any say in the matter tbh [13:55] it's a strange idea of chromeless, anyway [13:56] just hiding the navigation bar (which doesn't even hide the addressbar if you move it to another toolbar), and keeping all other chrome visible (menu, bookmarks, history, addon manager, addon bar, tabstrip, basically everything except for the navigation bar) [13:56] odd [13:57] this is what i imagine chromeless to look like: https://twitter.com/chrisccoulson/status/245656603737595905/photo/1/large [13:57] chrisccoulson: oh really? [13:57] (also firefox) [13:57] * didrocks looks [13:57] chrisccoulson: hum, looking weird indeed [13:58] tjaalton: ping [13:58] our implementation is weird, and there are theme artefacts with the tabstrip when the navigation bar isn't present [13:58] it just looks bad [13:58] chrisccoulson: "nice" :/ [13:58] chrisccoulson: but firefox doesn't have any chromeless mode? [13:59] didrocks, yeah, it does. see my screenshot :) [13:59] that's the mozilla chromeless [13:59] chrisccoulson: this is ours? [13:59] ah :) [13:59] ok [13:59] didrocks: pong [13:59] misunderstood [13:59] tjaalton: hum, did I ping you? :) [13:59] oh sorry [13:59] I was lazy :) [13:59] charles: ^ [13:59] chrisccoulson, heyo. You got a chance to review the webapps firefox plugins, right? The unity-firefox-extension and webapps-greasemonkey? [14:00] tjaalton: stop being lazy! :-) [14:00] lazy reader :) [14:00] heh ;) [14:00] I just assumed it was you :) [14:00] mterry, it's pointless me reviewing them, because we're going to ship them regardless of what i find [14:00] chrisccoulson, is there a problem with chromeless support? (reading backlog) [14:00] tjaalton: I can fix that and I have bugs for you :p [14:00] chrisccoulson, :-/ [14:00] mterry, yeah, it's hideous [14:00] [14:00] chrisccoulson, I think we're enabling it? Is that a bad decision? [14:01] tjaalton: just checking, in the screenshot you put on https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-datetime/+bug/1053875, that's with language settings set to Finnish, yes? [14:01] Launchpad bug 1053875 in indicator-datetime "space between date and time replaced with extra characters" [High,Confirmed] [14:01] the tab strip (why is a tabstrip displayed in "chromeless" anyway) looks bad without the navigation bar with our implementation [14:01]