[11:08] <smartboyhw> join #ubuntu-beginners
[11:08] <smartboyhw> Sorry guys
[15:00] <Riddell> skaet: meeting?
[15:00]  * smartboyhw thinks it is the meeting
[15:01] <ogra_> *twiddle*
[15:02] <skaet> #startmeeting
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[15:02] <highvoltage> this feels like school when the teacher is late for class and things start to get out of control
[15:02] <jbicha> \o
[15:02] <skaet> sorry,  too many IRC windows this morning
[15:02] <highvoltage> o/
[15:02] <skaet> who's around?
[15:02] <didrocks> o/
[15:02] <popey> o/
[15:03] <skaet> welcome.  :0
[15:03] <smartboyhw> \p
[15:03] <skaet> :)
[15:03] <Riddell> hi
[15:03] <smartboyhw> *\o
[15:03] <skaet> Weekly Release Agenda (and minute location):
[15:03] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-09-21
[15:03] <skaet> .
[15:03] <skaet> Upcoming dates:
[15:03] <skaet> 12.10
[15:03] <skaet>     2012/09/25: DocString Freeze at 2100 UTC (reset from 9/20 due to UIFE volume)
[15:03] <skaet>     2012/09/27: 12.10 Beta 2
[15:03] <skaet>     2012/10/04: Kernel Freeze and Desktop Infrastructure Freeze at 2100 UTC
[15:03] <skaet>     2012/10/09: Translation Deadline at 1030 UTC and Final Freeze at 2100 UTC
[15:03] <skaet> .
[15:03] <skaet> Bugs:
[15:03] <skaet> Development teams are trying to fix: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:03] <skaet> To be considered for fixing: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:03] <skaet> .
[15:03] <skaet> Work Items:
[15:03] <skaet> 2012/09/21 -  2996 (was 2996  - 2012/09/14):   Thank you for the recent push to clean up the feature status.  :)
[15:03] <skaet> We are still behind the trendline for some of the projects.  Please help get us back where we should be by making sure https://launchpad.net/~/+upcomingwork is up to date for your tasks. If something is clearly not going to make it this cycle, please mark it POSTPONED.
[15:03] <skaet> .
[15:03] <skaet> Weekly Status Received:
[15:03] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001955.html  - QA - plars
[15:03] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001958.html - desktop - didrocks
[15:03] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001954.html - security - mdeslaur
[15:03] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001950.html - HWCert - brendand
[15:03] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001949.html  - kernel - ogasawara
[15:04] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001952.html - ubuntu one - joshuahoover
[15:04] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001965.html - community - balloons
[15:04] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001956.html - server - arosales
[15:04] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001961.html - linaro - fabo
[15:04] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001968.html - Unity - popey
[15:04] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001962.html - foundations - ogra_
[15:04] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001960.html  - kubuntu - RIddell
[15:04] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001951.html - edubuntu - stgraber
[15:04] <skaet> ?? - xubuntu - knome
[15:04] <skaet> ?? - Ubuntu Studio - ScottL
[15:04] <skaet> ?? - Lubuntu - gilir
[15:04] <skaet> #topic Comments and Questions
[15:05] <skaet> couple of comments first,  and then if people have questions "o/" to get the floor.
[15:06] <skaet> Technical Overview is ready for input from teams,  please have your featurecomments in  as early as possible next week.
[15:06] <skaet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview
[15:07] <skaet> any bugs that need to land for beta2 should get added to http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-release.  Status will be tracked there and on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/  (Beta 2 milestone to be added on Monday).
[15:07] <skaet> ..
[15:07] <skaet> any one have question to kick the round table off?
[15:08] <Laney> o/
[15:08] <skaet> go Laney
[15:08] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-font-family-sources/+bug/1048600
[15:08] <Laney> let's decide
[15:08] <Laney> I put it in the unapproved queue already.
[15:08] <Riddell> decision is taken no? it's been uploaded already
[15:09] <Riddell> kubuntu has stopped using the ubuntu font as a result
[15:09] <stgraber> Riddell: we're talking about reverting the change
[15:09] <popey> we're actively debugging the qt issue
[15:09] <skaet> Riddell,  it hasn't been applied.   we're talking about reverting it due to breakage.
[15:10] <skaet> I still haven't seen summary of what breaks with it beyond the Qt comments.   Is there anything else?
[15:10] <xnox> current status: no medium in the archive. current unapproved queue status: add medium weight.
[15:10] <Laney> no
[15:10] <Laney> the opposite of that
[15:10] <xnox> oh. ok.
[15:10]  * xnox got confused.
[15:10] <Laney> skaet: various Qt apps get a bold font instead of the normal one
[15:10] <Riddell> bug 744812 says inkscape?
[15:11] <Laney> like, try the U1 control panel
[15:11] <Laney> I also saw it on vbox
[15:11] <popey> and vlc
[15:11] <Laney> anyway, popey: you have a lead?
[15:11] <popey> we have allocated a qt person to look at it
[15:12] <popey> previously we couldn't find any expert who had time/knowledge to examine the issue further
[15:12] <Laney> do we have a bug to track?
[15:12] <Laney> I likey the soundy
[15:12] <popey> could we use the existing bug?
[15:12] <popey> or do you want a new one?
[15:12] <popey> "medium font breaks qt apps" ?
[15:12] <popey> ..
[15:12] <Laney> don't mind particularly
[15:13] <Laney> 744812 makes sense
[15:13] <popey> I will ask for regular updates
[15:13] <popey> ..
[15:13] <skaet> popey,  are we likely to get a fix today?
[15:13] <Laney> so, let's leave it in the queue until Monday?
[15:13] <popey> not likely, no.
[15:13] <skaet> there are screen shots that have to happen this weekend.
[15:14] <Laney> can they be taken with the non-broken font?
[15:14] <skaet> jbicha, ^ ?
[15:14] <Laney> either way it will be unbroken (revert or fix)
[15:14] <brendand> skaet, i get a 404 on the release upgrade dialog?
[15:15] <skaet> cjwatson,  ogra_, ^ known issue?
[15:15] <Laney> anyway, let's move on
[15:16] <Laney> ..
[15:16] <popey> if anyone with deep qt skills on the kde side could help, we'd appreciate it!
[15:16] <popey> ..
[15:16] <ogra_> skaet, the 404 ? havent heard about it
[15:17] <ogra_> skaet, though i know that xnox only recently fixed an issue wheer firefox didnt start at all for the notes
[15:17] <ogra_> so it wouldnt have been visible since FF didnt start
[15:17] <xnox> ogra_: probably means stgraber
[15:17] <ogra_> oh, k
[15:17] <ogra_> one of my team :)
[15:17] <ogra_> ..
[15:17] <skaet> brendand,  if this is a recent failure from quantal daily,  please start a discussion off on #ubuntu-release,   probably not the right time to debug it here.   :)
[15:17] <skaet> ..
[15:17] <ogra_> file a bug first place ;)
[15:17] <ogra_> ..
[15:18] <skaet> Laney, popey - so,  we leave it in pending state,  and ask jbicha to make sure to take snapshots from what is in archive right now.
[15:19] <skaet> ??
[15:19] <Laney> no, he'd have to actively use the old font
[15:19] <popey> skaet, when do you need to re-visit this?
[15:19] <popey> (or rm the -M font files)
[15:19] <Laney> I think the only screenshot that might be affected is U1 though
[15:19] <Laney> so depends on whether that's in there
[15:19] <skaet> popey,  screen shots are planned for the weekend based on last communication I heard from him.
[15:19] <stgraber> I'd personally prefer that we accept the reverted package in the archive and re-introduce the font only once qt is fixed
[15:20] <stgraber> it's a one line change in the package, so not really a problem to flip it back whenever we have a fix
[15:20] <skaet> stgraber,  I think that is the path of least surprises.
[15:20] <popey> could that happen post-b2, pre-release? (the re-enabling)
[15:21] <Laney> it can happen basically at any time
[15:21] <stgraber> popey: it's going to depend on how scary the fix is going to be
[15:21] <Laney> as long as the fix is good
[15:21] <popey> Understood. I was taking the flipping-bit in isolation there.
[15:22] <skaet> Reverting seems prudent,  given the timing,  and uncertainty of when the fix will land,  and dependencies.
[15:22] <skaet> Revert it is - unless someone yells loudly now.
[15:22] <skaet> ..
[15:22] <Laney> well, the argument for keeping it in is to provide pressure to get it fixed
[15:23] <Laney> so, as long as this person will work on it regardless
[15:23] <popey> They will
[15:23] <Laney> ok
[15:23] <Laney> someone accept it then
[15:24] <stgraber> Laney: that's odd because my feeling was the opposite, not having the font in the archive was creating more pressure on getting it fixed (as these guys seem to really want it in) ;)
[15:24] <Laney> Riddell: will kubuntu take it back? :-)
[15:24] <stgraber> Laney: I'll review and accept
[15:24] <skaet> thanks Laney,  stgraber.
[15:24] <popey> Thank you.
[15:24] <skaet> ..
[15:25] <Riddell> Laney: being able to go back to the ubuntu font would be nice
[15:25] <Laney> rock
[15:25] <Laney> coming soon to an archive near you
[15:25] <skaet> :)
[15:25] <jbicha> sorry, I was distracted; I'd prefer reverting too since it would be nice to have people contribute translated screenshots
[15:25] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:25] <stgraber> Laney: accepted. Spent a minute trying to figure out what the +console was for in the previous upload, but couldn't find any good reason :)
[15:26] <Laney> same (that's why I dropped it)
[15:26] <skaet> next topic then...  webapps uploads
[15:27] <skaet> I asked mterry to upload the missing bits to the queue,  so we could get them reviewed and decide if its safe to approve the FFe or not.
[15:28] <skaet> webapps-applications 2.4.6-0ubuntu1
[15:28] <skaet>  webapps-greasemonkey 2.3.1-0ubuntu1
[15:28] <skaet> unity-firefox-extension 2.3-0ubuntu1
[15:29] <skaet> they are key to getting the app story working properly it seems,  and we've been swirling on the FFE and feature churn associated with them.
[15:30] <skaet> I need a release team member to volunteer to review them, and make sure the implications are considered.
[15:30] <skaet> properly.
[15:30] <skaet> any volunteers?
[15:30] <jbicha> I'm really not happy with adding more items to the launcher by default without removing some to make up for it
[15:31] <jbicha> I've so far gotten no response from Design about what they'd prefer to remove, and I'd like that settled today so that we can finalize screenshots
[15:32] <highvoltage> I'm not sure they take your happiness in consideration when making these decisions ;)
[15:32] <skaet> jbicha,  we need this decided since its going to affect the screenshots as well.
[15:32] <skaet> beyond the laucher.
[15:32] <didrocks> the list of default launcher icons is sabdfled, it was already the case, it's still the case for the new list.
[15:32] <jbicha> the problem is that items won't fit without scrolling off the screen on 1366x768 pixel screens, which is the most common screen resolution today
[15:33] <didrocks> so not sure we can really discuss about removing some without some inputs here
[15:33] <didrocks> ..
[15:33] <jbicha> somebody buy sabdfl a netbook ;)
[15:34] <xnox> jbicha: sure retina display?
[15:34] <xnox> ;)
[15:34] <skaet> jbicha,  open a design error on them not fitting.   let me know the number.   Not sure this will get resolved timely or not.  but will focus on it for rest of today.
[15:34] <xnox> that would be a hell of a netbook =)
[15:34] <skaet> :)
[15:34] <jbicha> ..
[15:35] <skaet> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libunity-webapps/+bug/1040313
[15:36] <skaet> is the other problem here.
[15:36] <skaet> since the volunteers haven't rushed forward...
[15:37] <didrocks> skaet: chriscoulson reviewed the patch for firefox. He isn't thrilled about them but thinks it's ok
[15:37] <skaet> Laney,  since you understand the desktop implications best,  and infinity - since you're on as engineer for this could you both review the packages and make a recommendation.
[15:37] <skaet> ?
[15:37] <skaet> s/this/Beta 2/
[15:38] <Laney> so, we still need NEW and MIR?
[15:38] <didrocks> that's my understanding
[15:38] <skaet> yes,  that appears to be the case.
[15:39] <Laney> I don't really understand what all of the different pieces are for, to be honest
[15:39] <skaet> Laney,  mterry will help provide context and direct you to those that should know.   You know more than I do about this one,  and its high risk.
[15:40] <skaet> so want to make sure its given best chance at finding blockers/issues before we pull it in.
[15:41] <skaet> if you have someone else who's opinion you trust on this,  by all means speak up.
[15:41] <Laney> yes, Chris :-)
[15:42] <skaet> ok,  if you're willing to accept Chris' opinion on behalf of the release team for this,  ok by me.
[15:44] <skaet> mdeslaur,  do we need security reviews for the MIRs for these?  if so,  can you help expedite?
[15:45]  * skaet will work with infinity and others in #ubuntu-release channel to follow up on this.
[15:45] <skaet> ..
[15:45] <Laney> I don't mind weighing in, but technically Chris will know more than the rest of us
[15:45] <Laney> ..
[15:45] <mdeslaur> skaet: probably, yes
[15:45] <mdeslaur> skaet: we'll do what we can
[15:46] <skaet> Thanks mdeslaur,  Laney.
[15:46] <jbicha> o/
[15:46] <skaet> go jbicha
[15:47] <jbicha> I guess this is just a comment, but the GNOME Remix will try to follow along with Beta2 next week
[15:48] <jbicha> ..
[15:48] <ogra_> jbicha, i read everywhere that will be gnome2 based ... is that true ?
[15:48] <ogra_> ..
[15:48] <ogra_> (would be surprising)
[15:49] <didrocks> I would applaud *technically* speaking if this was possible, but I doubt it's the case :)
[15:49] <jbicha> ogra_: where's everywhere? it's GNOME Shell and for this cycle we're also include GNOME Fallback for those that prefer that
[15:49] <ogra_> ah, cool
[15:49] <ogra_> jbicha, several blogs, havent gotten any urls atm
[15:50] <ogra_> i was assuming thats blind speculation, just wanted to be sure :)
[15:50] <ogra_> ..
[15:50] <micahg> that wouldn't make sense as GNOME2 isn't even in the archive
[15:50] <skaet> thanks jbicha.    I'll let you know when we're ready to release beta 2 then on Thursday.
[15:50] <skaet> let me know if you need other information from us.
[15:50] <ogra_> micahg, thats why i was assuming this :)
[15:51] <skaet> ok,  any one have any worrisome bugs that are blockers for beta 2 that they know about?
[15:51] <Laney> what's this compix/nux API/ABI break business?
[15:51] <skaet> popey, ^ ?
[15:51] <didrocks> Laney: it's already in quantal
[15:52] <ogra_> and was it tested on arm this time ? :)
[15:52] <didrocks> Laney: I think popey is off by a day
[15:52] <mdeslaur> LP: #1049088 worries me
[15:52] <Laney> oh, the last stack?
[15:52] <Laney> that's fine then
[15:52] <didrocks> yep
[15:52] <popey> oops
[15:52] <skaet> bug 1049088
[15:53] <skaet> ogasawara, ^ are we likely to get a fix for Beta 2?
[15:55] <skaet> hmm... not around.    Thanks mdeslaur,  will add it to the pad of candidates.
[15:55] <mdeslaur> thanks
[15:55] <skaet> anyone else?
[15:55] <plars> skaet: amd64+mac installs are not good at the moment if you have a usb attached keyboard, due to bug #1050855 and bug #1050436
[15:55] <ogra_> plars, could that be your kbd ? given you have the same issues on arm ?
[15:55] <ogra_> :)
[15:56] <plars> ogra_: no, I don't see it actually
[15:56] <plars> ogra_: the only mac I have to test on is a macbook, and doesn't seem to be affective, but psivaa gets this on his system
[15:56] <ogra_> ah, k
[15:56] <skaet> plars,  ok,  will add both of those as well,  and follow up after the meeting with ogasawara and cjwatson.
[15:56] <plars> ogra_: and on the arm one, I've tried 3 different keyboards :)
[15:56] <ogra_> i was hoping there is a coincident across arches :)
[15:57] <skaet> ..
[15:57] <skaet> going 1
[15:57] <skaet> 2
[15:57] <skaet> 3
[15:57] <skaet> #endmeeting
[15:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Sep 21 15:57:35 2012 UTC.
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[15:57] <ogra_> thanks skaet !
[15:57] <didrocks> thanks skaet :)
[15:57] <stgraber> thanks
[15:58] <Laney> cheers
[15:59] <skaet> Thanks ogra_ , didrocks, stgraber, plars, mdeslaur, Laney, Riddell, micahg, xnox, popey,  brendand, highvoltage, jbicha
[15:59] <xnox> =)
[15:59] <mdeslaur> thanks skaet!
[15:59] <xnox> thank you!
[15:59] <popey> thanks skaet
[16:00] <jbicha> thanks
[16:00] <cjwatson> plars,skaet: psivaa said that the grub2 side of that wasn't a regression, so, as you can see in the bug log, I declined to commit to fixing that for release
[16:00] <cjwatson> We don't have resources to do serious development work on the USB implementation in GRUB right now
[16:02] <skaet> cjwatson,  thanks.
[16:02] <cjwatson> (I have no knowledge of the kernel side)
[16:03] <cjwatson> Oh, maybe I do