[00:50] <leadsled> phillw, when are the respins expected?
[00:51] <phillw> leadsled: I believe they are on the cron job.
[00:52] <phillw> As there is still last minute stuff coming in, they have extended time scales to the point of breaking, but not beyond.
[01:04] <leadsled> phillw, I already see some things that I would change, do I need to submit these thing for consultation?
[01:04] <phillw> leadsled: on test cases?
[01:05] <leadsled> phillw, yes
[01:07] <phillw> fire an email off to nicholas.skaggs@canonical.com and please cc me at phillw@ubuntu.com
[01:07] <phillw> One of us will get about them!
[01:12] <phillw> leadsled: it is for balloons to allocate edit privs, I'm an editor and can check what is proposed and apply it if I am happy with it. As you have the horrendous task of actually proof-reading all our work, it is probably best that you keep that vital role and not get involved in editing; else we will need another person to check the edits.. etc.
[01:13] <phillw> leadsled: or, put another way - you point out the errors... we have to go fix them :D
[02:07] <kappayero> Hey does anyone knows whoy ubuntu works in a HP Pavilion dv6-6180la Notebook??
[09:02] <silverarrow> anyone heard something on the installer issues ?
[09:02] <smartboyhw> No.:)
[09:05] <silverarrow> unfortunate
[09:05] <silverarrow> the clever guys are on to it, but it must be a difficult one
[09:06] <smartboyhw> :)
[09:06] <silverarrow> vm seems to bee useless in this case too
[09:06] <smartboyhw> I believe in the installer guys
[09:06] <silverarrow> me too, they just need the right kind of input
[09:06] <smartboyhw> Yeah but then people DO often say that ubiquity is ****
[09:07] <silverarrow> hopefully ubiquity will get sorted out
[09:07] <silverarrow> there are always some issues that need ironing out
[09:08] <smartboyhw> :)
[09:08] <silverarrow> it`s like it is made to be this way
[09:08] <silverarrow> linux users are meant to struggle a bit
[09:08] <silverarrow> and definitely the devs and builders
[09:08] <silverarrow> not to mention testers
[09:09] <smartboyhw> :)
[09:11] <silverarrow> however, installer is a bit critical it haults everything
[09:11] <smartboyhw> Yes it does
[09:12] <silverarrow> It worked painlessly in 12.04 so it is definitely not impossible
[09:14] <smartboyhw> Well it is a developing OS so...
[09:15] <silverarrow> I think the trouble is the ppc team cannot duplicate the problem on their hardware
[09:15] <silverarrow> I certainly have the problem but cannot report back any useful info
[09:15] <silverarrow> we should send them an old ibook or two
[09:16] <silverarrow> an ibook and a powerbook
[09:16] <silverarrow> some of the G5s are still pretty decent
[09:17] <silverarrow> compared to new hardware I mean
[09:18] <silverarrow> but with the typical ppc issues, which are software related
[09:19] <smartboyhw> PPC is a problem...
[09:20] <silverarrow> ibm still makes them
[09:20] <silverarrow> huge powerful things
[09:21] <silverarrow> mostly servers I think
[09:23] <silverarrow> half an hour until noon, and I am out to lunch
[09:25] <silverarrow> what about the oversize issue on cd?
[09:25] <xnox> ubiquity is good =((((
[09:25] <silverarrow> is it only 64bit? I have burned lubuntu on cd no problem
[09:26] <silverarrow> yes, ubiquity is usually fine
[09:26] <silverarrow> but alway!!!! s needs sorting out on the betas and alphas
[09:27] <silverarrow> ppc should run all fine with some tuning though
[09:27] <silverarrow> xnox, have heard anything on the installer issue?
[09:28] <xnox> ppc is not ubiquity problems
[09:29] <smartboyhw> xnox: Sometimes I need to disagree that ubiquity is good. My way of saying this should be: It is good but clearly unstable.
[09:30] <xnox> most of the time it's everything but ubiquity: X, kernel, grub/bootloaders
[09:39] <silverarrow> I`m not sure if it all can be blamed on ubiquity though,
[09:40] <silverarrow> or at all
[09:41] <silverarrow> live cd just don`t work
[09:41] <silverarrow> some focus on the graphic drivers
[09:41] <silverarrow> thought non of the workarounds suggested makes a difference on my laptop
[09:42] <silverarrow> which I find a bit worrying
[10:35] <silverarrow> is the live cd problem for powerpc the same in ubuntu and lubuntu?
[10:37] <silverarrow> I get a cursor and a warped ubuntu purply wallpaper when booting the live DVD
[10:37] <silverarrow> in lubuntu I get a full desktop environment not working though
[10:52] <xnox> the screen "try or install ubuntu" is the same for all images (even kubuntu)
[10:52] <xnox> it is a "fake" desktop-like session.
[10:52] <xnox> with a wallpaper and a few gadgets around
[10:52] <silverarrow> I see
[10:53] <xnox> we do different tricks depending on what packages are available
[10:53] <xnox> e.g. start different settings daemons, use different window manager, set different wallpaper and the like.
[10:53] <silverarrow> the most important would be working wireless and installer I should think
[10:53] <xnox> X + thin app layer + ubiquity
[10:54] <xnox> after you click "Try" a proper live session is loaded as expected by that spin.
[10:54] <xnox> if you launch ubiquity from there - it is just a python app with none of the crazy stuff.
[10:54] <xnox> wireless is actually network-manager + dbus over which ubiquity talks with network manager
[10:55] <silverarrow> I  have launched installer from the desktop icon
[10:56] <silverarrow> Is there a way to give any useful feedback on this bug?
[10:56] <silverarrow> I have lunched ubiquity in terminal and posted the results
[10:56] <silverarrow> in Ubuntu I get absolutely nothing usable at all
[10:57] <silverarrow> in lubuntu it is slightly better
[11:02] <silverarrow> so, now clever suggestions ?
[11:02] <silverarrow> no*
[11:43] <Laney> fellows
[11:44] <Laney> I can't start the current daily in vbox or qemu (virt-manager)
[11:44] <Laney> are others experiencing this?
[11:44] <Laney> qemu had a blinking cursor, vbox is just blackness
[11:46] <Laney> wait a second, I got something, 10 minutes later
[12:10] <sagaci> desktop i386 loads fine in vbox but performance is unbearable
[12:10] <sagaci> albeit marginally better than a couple of weeks ago
[13:01] <ade> Hi all, have just completed my first .iso test, can anyone spare a few seconds to answer a few questions?
[13:02] <kanliot> yes
[13:02] <kanliot> http://code.google.com/p/gnome-mplayer/issues/detail?id=638#c8
[13:02] <kanliot> developers are so frustrating.
[13:02] <kanliot> someone should teach them stuff
[13:02] <kanliot> he actually implies i should be running GNOME to test his bug
[13:06] <kanliot> ade ask
[13:09] <balloons> kanliot, lol
[13:09] <balloons> ade, fire away
[13:09] <ade> Thanks kanliot. Basically while performing the live .iso daily test, my system was absolutely crawling! Took some 20 mins to launch ubuntu, open the browser and shut down. How do you think the best way to flag this up would be, as not really a bug?
[13:10] <ade> Hey balloons
[13:10] <balloons> ade, using real hw or virtual?
[13:10] <ade> real hw, booting from usb key
[13:10] <kanliot> not a bug
[13:10] <kanliot> persistence is slow
[13:11] <balloons> ade, have you run any images this cycke>
[13:11] <balloons> the shell is now unity3d.. your system might be one that is better served by a non3d window manager
[13:11] <kanliot> balloons it's a bug in usb-creator
[13:12] <balloons> that and/or your usb key may be slow.. in general it may be why you are seeing bad performance
[13:12] <kanliot> i'm 200% sure
[13:12] <kanliot> usb-creator :(
[13:12] <balloons> kanliot, I don't even know how he created the image
[13:12] <balloons> he or she.. sorry ade :-)
[13:12] <ade> I thought it may be something like that.
[13:12] <kanliot> ade you a girl?
[13:13] <balloons> if you believe it to be a usb creator bug or something like that.. you can use dd to copy the image to usb manually
[13:13] <ade> Haha! No, for the record I am all male (last I checked?)
[13:13] <kanliot> yeah
[13:13] <kanliot> the devs dont use usb-creator
[13:13] <ade> I used TestDrive to create the bootable usb key
[13:14] <kanliot> testdrive
[13:14] <balloons> dd if=/the/path/to.iso of=/dev/sdX
[13:14] <kanliot> whats that
[13:14] <balloons> testdrive to create the iso, really?
[13:14] <balloons> whoa
[13:14] <balloons> ade, I've been using that for almost a year now
[13:14] <balloons> I NEVER EVER noticed or clicked that button
[13:15] <balloons> <-- mind blown
[13:15] <ade> Hahaha
[13:15] <kanliot> well i was wrong about usb-creator
[13:15] <knome> i would be more baffled if you never noticed it but still clicked it
[13:15] <kanliot> but it still might be persistence
[13:17] <ade> It was my first test so I figured easing in gently with test drive would be a little easier, I did a vm test first which sailed and then though about the persistance test so just clicked create key and got to it.
[13:17] <kanliot> persistence is one of those features that doesn't work for 30% of users
[13:17] <kanliot> and they still promote it
[13:17] <smartboyhw> Wow what are we talking about?:D
[13:18] <kanliot> read up
[13:18] <smartboyhw> Hi kanliot
[13:18] <smartboyhw> Hi ade
[13:18] <ade> Hey smartyboyhw
[13:19] <ade> Anyways, so is it pretty much decided that the poor performance was simply down to persistence then?
[13:20] <balloons> ade, kanliot  certainly is convinced :-) If you wish, creating a non-persitant usb key would confirm or deny it :-)
[13:21] <balloons> I've never experienced the issue myself, but :-)
[13:21] <balloons> I've never used that usb disk creator etheir
[13:21] <ade> balloons, I like your thinking! I think it needs to be settled lol
[13:22] <balloons> so since your iso is in testdrive, do you know where it's located?
[13:22] <balloons> think you can run the dd command yourself, or you need help?
[13:22] <balloons> you need to be careful with using dd.. it's powerful and can wipe drives
[13:23] <kanliot> unetbootin is an option
[13:23] <balloons> lol, now kanliot there's something I use to love, but doesn't work at all for me anymore
[13:24]  * kanliot just broke compiz
[13:24] <kanliot> :(
[13:24] <balloons> whenever the switch was made to make all ubuntu images usb bootable by default, unetbootin kind of doesn't work anymore
[13:24] <balloons> for me anyways
[13:24] <knome> kanliot, how can you break something that is already broken? :)
[13:24] <balloons> I prefer just writing the image myself
[13:25] <kanliot> how exactly is unetbootin broken?
[13:25] <ade> I have absolutely no idea where it's located but shouldn't't be to difficult to find. I will have a good browse of the man page before I do anything drastic, don't you worry lol
[13:25] <ade> Been there, done that!
[13:25] <kanliot> boot menu?
[13:26] <kanliot> and the 30% of users who try ubuntu on the usb key who have ade's result
[13:26] <kanliot> i guess they are SOL
[13:26] <kanliot> because i don't see them here
[13:27] <kanliot> sorry i'm grumpy
[13:29] <balloons> ade, well I can walk you through it quickly
[13:29] <kanliot> where do you upload videos of your testing session?
[13:29] <balloons> hit your preferences page in testdrive, it will tell you where it caches the isos
[13:29] <kanliot> dev wants me to record a video of hte bug
[13:29] <balloons> should be under ~/.cache/testdrive
[13:29] <balloons> kanliot, ohh you can't attach it?
[13:30] <balloons> I would use kazaam, record and attach to lp
[13:30] <kanliot> kazaam better than recordmydesktop?
[13:30] <balloons> barring that, you can use youtube, and make it unlisted if you want a little more privacy to it
[13:30] <balloons> kanliot, I prefer it, but ;-)
[13:35] <kanliot> hah
[13:35] <kanliot> productivity success
[13:35] <kanliot> installed recordmydesktop, recoreded the bug and uploaded
[13:35] <knome> bbl
[13:35] <balloons> excellent
[13:36] <ade> Nice one kanliot, love it when a plan comes together eh?
[13:36] <kanliot> yeah
[13:36] <kanliot> and he didn't respond when i asked him why i should install KDE to test the bug
[13:36] <kanliot> :)
[13:39] <kanliot> did apt-cache search kazaam
[13:39] <kanliot> nothing
[13:40] <kanliot> and google search just shows saquille o neal vids
[13:43] <balloons> kanliot, he's likely trying to rule out the de being an issue
[13:43] <balloons> run it under anything else
[13:43] <kanliot> dude, i run LXDE
[13:43] <kanliot> is what  i should have said
[13:45] <kanliot> ok this is for balloons
[13:45] <kanliot> i think i understand the workaround for software-updater on quantal
[13:45] <kanliot> but it's not the result i'm looking for
[13:46] <kanliot> i still think it's a big quality issue
[13:46] <kanliot> although it doesn't affect people who want to update through the command line everday
[13:46] <balloons> kanliot, https://launchpad.net/kazam
[13:46] <balloons> sudo apt-get install kazam
[13:47] <balloons> kanliot, you mean the display weekly thing?
[13:47] <kanliot> yeah
[13:47] <balloons> just have lxde ship the default as daily if you wish to change it
[13:47] <balloons> or change it yourself :-)
[13:47] <kanliot> it wasn't set to weekly
[13:48] <kanliot> or it wasn't updating weekly
[13:48] <kanliot> i guess i'm not 100% sure
[13:49] <kanliot> but i observed that it wasn't working weekly or otherwise until it was set to daily
[13:49] <kanliot> and you can't set to daily on my precise machine
[13:49] <silverarrow> hi
[13:49] <kanliot> not sure why
[13:50] <kanliot> maybe you could have wxl explain why it's a decent workaround
[13:50] <kanliot> but if it doesn't work on precise
[13:51] <kanliot> and it doesn't work until you do an workaround which i couldnt figure out
[13:51] <kanliot> or you
[13:51] <kanliot> or wxl
[13:51] <kanliot> maybe it's not really working
[13:51] <ade> Tell you what... round of applause for kanliot - without persistance, iso ran like a dream from usb and didn't encounter half the problems raised when actually performing the test.
[13:51] <kanliot> :)
[13:52] <ade> Persistence sucks!
[13:52] <kanliot> yeah
[13:52] <kanliot> obvious to everyone but the people who use it
[13:53] <ade> lol, I have never felt the need to use it but test case called for it so...
[13:53] <ade> Am very surprised at it's impact though
[13:54] <kanliot> one of the main functions of qa is to make people aware of bugs that affect quality
[13:54] <kanliot> and give numbers to that quality
[13:55] <ade> Well I passed the test because it did complete all the required tasks, but in reality if that was a first time user then they would be reaching back for that windows cd pretty damm fast.
[13:56] <kanliot> yeah and it's an unneeded feature as well
[13:56] <kanliot> you didn't need persistence
[13:56] <kanliot> neither do i
[13:56] <kanliot> i have posted a message on the forums
[13:56] <kanliot> a few people chimed in, and agreed
[13:57] <kanliot> ive found complaints about stack exchange
[13:57] <kanliot> unanswered questions
[13:57] <kanliot> it's a support issue
[13:57] <ade> True, very true. Can you post a forum link please? Would be interested in reading what people have to say
[13:58] <kanliot> the specific post?
[13:58] <kanliot> its been 6 mo
[13:58] <balloons> congrats kanliot :-)
[13:58] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:58] <balloons> you were correct
[13:58] <balloons> we could update the testcase to mention the potential issue
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Sorry I missed the logs:)
[13:58] <ade> Oh, thought you just created the post lol
[13:58] <balloons> kanliot, on the update-manager thing
[13:58] <smartboyhw> What happened ?
[13:59] <balloons> everything works properly for me on precise, running lubuntu
[13:59]  * smartboyhw finally got Ubuntu Studio back
[13:59] <kanliot> i'll find the thread it will just take too damn long
[13:59] <ade> No don;t be silly kanliot, I might have a search myself later for it.
[13:59] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:59] <kanliot> k :)
[13:59] <silverarrow> kanliot, what iso were you running?
[14:00] <kanliot> silverarrow
[14:00] <kanliot> ade is new to this channel
[14:00]  * smartboyhw throws a welcome party to ade lol
[14:00] <kanliot> and he was having a problem using a usb-key installed with a apersistent livecd
[14:00] <ade> Haha, cheers!
[14:00] <kanliot> which can be horribly slow
[14:01] <kanliot> so we were just wondering why persistence is even installed automatically if it fails so often
[14:01] <kanliot> persistence on usb flash drives
[14:02] <silverarrow> hi ade
[14:02] <kanliot> balloons is the lubuntu up to date?
[14:02] <smartboyhw> kanliot, lol
[14:02]  * silverarrow wonders if lubuntu cd boots at all 
[14:03] <ade> I think that's a good idea balloons, a simple warning would be resonable I think
[14:03] <ade> Hey silverarrow
[14:03] <balloons> kanliot, yes up to date
[14:03] <ade> brb
[14:04] <balloons> back in a bit
[14:04] <smartboyhw> cya balloons
[14:12] <silverarrow> how do you bind F12 with eject command?
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Er!?
[14:13] <silverarrow> all it does now is show right click menu
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Good kanliot is back
[14:14] <silverarrow> sorry, wrong channel
[14:14] <kanliot> hi man
[14:14] <silverarrow> wb
[14:14] <kanliot> what time is it in HK?
[14:14] <silverarrow> quarter past four here
[14:14] <smartboyhw> kanliot, 10:14 PM
[14:14] <kanliot> i thought you were in china
[14:15] <smartboyhw> HK is China mate
[14:15] <kanliot> has been for 12 years
[14:15] <silverarrow> are you sure  ? ;-)
[14:15] <kanliot> well longer
[14:15] <smartboyhw> kanliot, 15
[14:15] <smartboyhw> 15 years
[14:15]  * smartboyhw is fourteen BTW
[14:16] <silverarrow> time goes fast
[14:16] <silverarrow> and the british empire keeps dwindling
[14:16] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:17] <kanliot> yah 1997
[14:17] <kanliot> just double checked :)
[14:17] <silverarrow> yeah, we need to be reminded
[14:17] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:17] <kanliot> so you're in usa smartboyhw
[14:17] <kanliot> ?
[14:17] <smartboyhw> kanliot, er it is PM (night)
[14:18] <smartboyhw> 10:17 PM, not AM
[14:18] <smartboyhw> duh
[14:18] <kanliot> pm is night
[14:18] <kanliot> but are you in HK?
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Yes
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Current location: Hong Kong, China
[14:18] <kanliot> and what time is it
[14:19] <smartboyhw> 10:14 PM
[14:19] <kanliot> sorry my bad
[14:20] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:21]  * smartboyhw wants kanliot to guess when balloons will come back
[14:24] <silverarrow> isn`t "am" everything from 00:00 to 12.00, and "pm" from 12.00 to 00:00  ?
[14:24] <smartboyhw> silverarrow, Yes
[14:24] <silverarrow> twelve o`clock being noon
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Yes
[14:25] <silverarrow> i always have to think twice on that
[14:25] <silverarrow> we don`t use am and pm
[14:25] <silverarrow> in daily speech I mean
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Oh!
[14:28] <silverarrow> probably a British and/or US standard
[14:29] <silverarrow> it is international, but not used much in my language
[14:30] <silverarrow> is anything being done on the ppc iso?
[14:30] <silverarrow> the installer bug is not improving on the dailies
[14:30] <silverarrow> I have been checking every day
[14:31] <silverarrow> not sure if any useful info goes to the right people
[14:32] <silverarrow> If anyone has a suggestion of debugging live CD or alternate, I am willing to take directions
[14:32] <silverarrow> for testing I mean
[14:32] <kanliot> i would trust phillw to move heaven and earth to get ppc working
[14:32] <silverarrow> ;- )
[14:32] <silverarrow> sounds good
[14:33] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:33] <silverarrow> just as long as he does dig any deeper
[14:33] <silverarrow> doesn`t
[14:33] <silverarrow> is phillw working on ppc hardware ?
[14:34] <kanliot> no
[14:34] <smartboyhw> silverarrow, er...IDK
[14:34] <phillw> silverarrow: as soon as the beta 2's arrive I am hoping to spend some time with colin watson on the ppc issues. There is some guidance in the bug reports to be tried out.
[14:34] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:34] <phillw> they are running flat out of feature freeze exceptions at the moment.
[14:35] <silverarrow> yes, that is the problem, everything freezes up
[14:35] <silverarrow> lubuntu shows desktop environment, Ubuntu not at all
[14:36] <silverarrow> ubuntu has a warped purply background, with a cursor and nothing else
[14:36] <phillw> silverarrow: have you read through the suggested work arounds on the ppc bug reports?
[14:36] <silverarrow> I have tried all the  suggested workaround to manager graphic drivers in yaboot stage
[14:37] <phillw> ahh, that's a yes, then :/
[14:37] <silverarrow> I thinks so
[14:37] <smartboyhw> ;/
[14:38] <phillw> infinity: you asked to be reminded anout putting the lubuntu iso's onto a diet :)
[14:38] <silverarrow> nasty bug to have when it haults all further testing
[14:38] <kanliot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563
[14:38] <kanliot> balloons says it's he can't confirm on precise
[14:38] <kanliot> that bug
[14:38] <smartboyhw> Duh
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Flavor progress
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Edubuntu: 45%
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Kubuntu: 38%
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Lubuntu: 53%
[14:39] <kanliot> and i guess i need to reconfirm that that the bug shows on quantal
[14:39] <silverarrow> yeah, I read that one too, not sure if I can confirm it either, and I run precise every day
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu Studio: 36%
[14:39] <phillw> kanliot: he did confirm it, just some debate on what the defauklt setting should be.
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Xubuntu: 95%!!!!!!! How on earth
[14:39] <kanliot> phillw lets say I reinstall with a fresh quantal
[14:39] <kanliot> and wait a week
[14:39] <kanliot> and the bug bites
[14:40] <kanliot> would you be interested?
[14:40] <silverarrow> if they are bloodsuckers you might get anemic
[14:40] <phillw> we are always interested.
[14:40] <silverarrow> if they are wood termites, perforated floorings ?
[14:40] <kanliot> not funny
[14:40] <phillw> smartboyhw: have a look at how many variants there are for xubuntu :)
[14:40] <kanliot> i'm talking about wiping my pc
[14:40] <smartboyhw> phillw: LOL
[14:41] <silverarrow> xubuntu is popular
[14:41] <phillw> kanliot: can you not set up a VM?
[14:41] <kanliot> and let it run for a week?
[14:41] <kanliot> i have to admit i don't know how to test update-manager
[14:41] <kanliot> software updater
[14:41] <phillw> it does not need to run for a week. just re-start it after 7 days and see if it looks for updates :)
[14:42] <kanliot> ok
[14:42] <kanliot> sounds good
[14:42] <kanliot> glad i ask
[14:42] <kanliot> ed
[14:42] <kanliot> was beta 2 today?
[14:42] <phillw> for some, possibly but usually monday.
[14:42] <smartboyhw> kanliot, freeze was on
[14:42] <kanliot> so beta 2 is moday
[14:43] <phillw> kanliot: just keep an eye on the iso-tracker.
[14:43] <kanliot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[14:43] <kanliot> why phillw
[14:44] <phillw> kanliot: there will a section added called 'Beta 2' :)
[14:44] <kanliot> k thx
[14:44] <phillw> kanliot: if you get bored, can you proof read the testcases for lubuntu and check for typos etc.
[14:44] <kanliot> gimme link
[14:45] <kanliot> i'll do it
[14:45] <smartboyhw> phillw: And we will see if kanliot will have an opportunity to be in Testcase Admins:)
[14:46] <phillw> kanliot: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds
[14:46] <phillw> you need to proof read the 4 for Desktop and the 3 for alternate.
[14:47] <phillw> you only have to proof read one set, not all of them!
[14:47]  * smartboyhw will help to proofread also if phillw wants to
[14:47] <phillw> kanliot: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/23814/testcases
[14:48] <phillw> smartboyhw: do you want to do http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/23809/testcases
[14:48] <smartboyhw> phillw: Sure:)
[14:48] <kanliot> i'm missing something
[14:48] <phillw> will make a lot of "Yes's" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates
[14:48] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:49] <phillw> kanliot: ?
[14:49] <phillw> as those 7 test cases are flavour agnostic and apply accross the board :)
[14:50] <kanliot> well the testcase wasn't expanding when i clicked arrow
[14:50] <smartboyhw> Typo!!!!
[14:51] <smartboyhw> phillw; Typo found:)
[14:51] <phillw> kanliot: which one?
[14:52] <phillw> smartboyhw: where?
[14:52] <kanliot> the testcase isn't expanded
[14:52] <phillw> kanliot: which one?
[14:52] <kanliot> so i had to hover over the "testcase" text to see that it was a link
[14:52] <kanliot> then click it
[14:52] <silverarrow> reading the suggested specs for Ubuntu, it should in theory run all fine on my iBook
[14:52] <smartboyhw> You should see a request to confim date and time Step 15
[14:52] <smartboyhw> On guided
[14:52] <smartboyhw> Actually ALL alternates
[14:53] <phillw> smartboyhw: okies, I'll edit them!
[14:53] <kanliot> just griping, the qa website is still hard to learn
[14:53] <smartboyhw> Yeah!
[14:54] <silverarrow> some are already running quantal server
[14:56] <kanliot> phillw
[14:56] <phillw> smartboyhw: all three corrected :)
[14:56] <phillw> kanliot: yes?
[14:57] <kanliot> the alternate encryption test case shouldnt tell how to install everything
[14:57] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:57] <kanliot> just the steps involving encryption
[14:57] <silverarrow> does ubuntu run well on core2duo?
[14:57] <kanliot> 25 steps is too many to check
[14:57] <kanliot> i am not a machine
[14:57] <phillw> kanliot: how would you just test encryption without installing the iso?
[14:58] <kanliot> if i'm testing encryption, i'm not going to check 25 separate tests
[14:58] <kanliot> .
[14:58] <kanliot> so don't have 25 steps
[14:58] <kanliot> write in english
[14:58] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:58] <phillw> it is a 'standard' installation with the extra gubbins of encryption
[14:58] <sagaci> silverarrow: should be fine
[14:59] <kanliot> encryption alternate install:
[14:59] <kanliot> at the partitioning screen, select guided with encrypted home
[14:59] <silverarrow> it`s just an old HP with 1GB ram and 2Ghz core2duo, needs new screen
[15:00] <silverarrow> if I got more ram and new screen, I could dedicate it to ubuntu fully
[15:00] <kanliot> and on the encrypted altenate install
[15:00] <kanliot> you have me select "no" for encrypted home directory
[15:00] <phillw> personally I hate encryption as I've had to break the bad news to more than one user that their data is un-recoverable after they had forgotten their encryption password. One guy was really upset as it had all his course work on for university.
[15:00] <kanliot> pretty bad
[15:00] <kanliot> you would see your error if you hadn't added in 24 other steps
[15:00] <silverarrow> sagaci, I have been lucky with ubuntu, and sometime not so lucky
[15:00] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:01] <sagaci> silverarrow: unity runs adequately on pentium 4
[15:01] <silverarrow> sagasi, 10.04 on a fujitsu ran like it was dipped in syrup, not sure why
[15:02] <silverarrow> then, worth a go
[15:03] <phillw> kanliot: which test case?
[15:03] <silverarrow> I`m looking at a Samsung with i7 and ivy brige graphics
[15:03] <kanliot> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/23812/testcases/1439/results
[15:04] <silverarrow> for ppc desktop it is rather important that minitube, gnash and gecko works
[15:05] <silverarrow> since there are no flash
[15:05] <phillw> kanliot: corrected. That must have always been there! as most of the converting was copying and pasting from the old test cases!
[15:06] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:08] <kanliot> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/23816/testcases/1303/results
[15:10] <phillw> Beta 2's are to land Monday.
[15:11] <phillw> kanliot: what about it?
[15:13] <kanliot> do i have to add persistent to boot command line?
[15:16] <kanliot> too many steps
[15:16] <kanliot> on the install(auto-resize)
[15:17] <kanliot> if i'm testing auto-resize then i shouldn't be testing all the ubuqity features
[15:19] <kanliot> and vice-versa
[15:20] <kanliot> again too many steps
[15:20] <kanliot> you need to use a bulleted list of things to verify on each screen
[15:21] <smartboyhw> kanliot, tell that to balloons lol
[15:21] <kanliot> 27 steps would take me an hour the first time
[15:21] <kanliot> and i would never bother again anyhow
[15:21] <kanliot> i'm not a machine
[15:23] <kanliot> really for the manual partitioning case
[15:23] <kanliot> you can describe the test case in a single sentence
[15:23] <kanliot> couldn't you?
[15:23] <kanliot> i don't understand the problem you are trying to solve
[15:23] <kanliot> are you documenting ubiqutiy?
[15:24] <kanliot> you're not instructing the tester
[15:24]  * balloons grabs popcorn
[15:24] <kanliot> lol
[15:24] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:24] <balloons> don't let me interrupt :-)
[15:24] <kanliot> lol
[15:24] <kanliot> naa i need to get out
[15:24] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:25] <kanliot> too long sitting here
[15:25] <kanliot> seriously consider linking to the ubiquity spec
[15:25] <kanliot> if there is one
[15:25] <kanliot> make one
[15:25] <kanliot> and then describing the test case in a single sentence
[15:25] <kanliot> with a single bullet list of points to verify
[15:26] <kanliot> ok gonna check outside see if there is still oxygen
[15:26] <xnox> there are a couple ubiquity specs....
[15:26] <kanliot> cheers!
[15:26] <xnox> there is also ubiquity design  doc
[15:26] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:27] <kanliot> and if you get the test case short enough
[15:27] <kanliot> you will need to have it expanded by default
[15:28] <kanliot> that way, people actualy read it
[15:29] <xnox> why are ubiquity test cases so long?
[15:29] <kanliot> probably they didn't know there was a spec
[15:29] <kanliot> i still havent seen it
[15:30] <xnox> auto-resize: make sure you have existing full disk install, boot live-cd and click continue until machine reboots.
[15:31] <sagaci> I guess the first time you do them it takes a considerable amount of effort to follow it carefully otherwise most steps seem superfluous after the first few times
[15:31] <xnox> install: on screen where it asks partitioning, check "wipe & install, with the red warning", click continue until machine reboots.
[15:31] <ade> https://docs.google.com/document/preview?id=1bZ4yQIVgGaUGSYu3qiUHnQt3ieBZoqunP_DcleHCr3I&pli=1
[15:31] <ade> Ubiquity spec! Was having a browse of it earlier today :o)
[15:32] <xnox> manual: on screen where it asks partitioning, check "something else", fiddle with partitions as much as you like / know, click continue until machine reboots
[15:32] <xnox> Ubiquity spec: http://goo.gl/Kokw5
[15:51] <balloons> knome, you about
[15:51] <balloons> ?
[16:35] <ade> Hi everyone. I have just completed the 'entire disk' option for today's daily of Ubuntu. Test-case completed fine but discovered a small rendering issue in one of the windows. Could anyone possibly spare a few mins on helping me report a bug (if indeed that is the case)?
[16:36] <knome> balloons, now i am
[16:42]  * wxl reads scrollback
[16:42] <wxl> kanliot: did you get it all figured out?
[16:43] <balloons> knome, yea.. you got the mail :-)
[16:43] <knome> yeah, replied
[17:32] <kanliot> ade i would help ya but i gotta go get lunch
[18:13] <kanliot>  http://blog.phusion.nl/2012/09/21/the-right-way-to-deal-with-frozen-processes-on-unix/#.UFytwWaRCt0
[18:13]  * kanliot reading that
[19:15] <ade> Hi everyone. I have completed 3 of today's mandatory build test-cases, my first three ever actually. Has anyone got any advice on what bugs to submit as am still not to sure there..
[19:15]  * wxl high 5s ade 
[19:16] <wxl> did the tests pass or fail? were there any bugs you noticed?
[19:16] <ade> Cheers wxl! They all passed but there were a few notable issues, mainly regarding certain display issues.
[19:17] <silverarrow> you have to register on launch pad and the ubuntu tester site
[19:17] <wxl> does this help ade https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/ ???
[19:18] <kanliot> please explain the display issues
[19:18] <silverarrow> if you launch through the F-key function you will get a list of bugs to compare with
[19:19] <silverarrow> wich F-key is it?
[19:19] <kanliot> ?
[19:19] <silverarrow> ...darn
[19:19] <kanliot> sliverarrow exlpain
[19:23] <silverarrow> alt F2
[19:23] <wxl> alt f2 = run
[19:23] <wxl> (in lubuntu)
[19:24] <silverarrow> then add ubuntu bug report
[19:24] <silverarrow> something like that
[19:24] <silverarrow> ubuntu-bug
[19:25] <silverarrow> ubuntu-bug-package name
[19:25] <silverarrow> it worked fine last time
[19:25] <silverarrow> you have to get it right though, the package name
[19:25] <silverarrow> for the application or whatever
[19:25] <wxl> yes, but if he doesn't know what to file the bug against that's somewhat problematic
[19:25] <silverarrow> true
[19:26] <silverarrow> but then launchpad is equally diffucult
[19:26] <wxl> i mean it's better to report a bug than to report nothing
[19:26] <silverarrow> yeah maybe
[19:26] <wxl> but it's easier to get it all figured out ahead of time as much as you can
[19:27] <silverarrow> I picked a package I found likely, ubiquity, but some thought it might be xorg or windows manager
[19:27] <silverarrow> however, it got noticed
[19:28] <silverarrow> you only end up making a report on launch pad much the same way as usually
[19:28] <silverarrow> usualÆ
[19:28] <silverarrow> lol
[19:28] <silverarrow> *
[19:28] <silverarrow> sorry
[19:28] <silverarrow> it`s not a big thing, just practical sometimes
[19:30] <silverarrow> it makes a tidy report though
[19:30] <kanliot> ?
[19:30] <silverarrow> it generates system info etc
[19:30] <silverarrow> list it neatly
[19:31] <balloons> ade, what issues did you find?
[19:31] <balloons> and congrats!
[19:31]  * kanliot just bought humble indy bundle for  an old friend of mine
[19:31] <balloons> ade, what issues did you find?
[19:31] <balloons> and congrats!
[19:31] <kanliot> i hate to burst your balloon
[19:31] <kanliot> just wanted to say that
[19:32] <balloons> i think native torchlight on linux is the coolest one of the bundle
[19:32] <kanliot> linux outlaws talking about jono bacon
[19:32]  * silverarrow wonders if kanlion has a pin ready 
[19:32] <kanliot> ?
[19:32] <kanliot> the humble indy bundle costs $.01
[19:32] <kanliot> you can afford it
[19:33] <silverarrow> you think I should buy it?
[19:33] <kanliot> yes
[19:33] <kanliot> unless you like spreadsheets are more fun
[19:33] <kanliot> unless you're the next linus tovarlds
[19:34] <kanliot> and need to stop playing prince of persia
[19:34] <kanliot> and start making a kernel
[19:34] <silverarrow> yeah, I always get compared to penguins
[19:34] <kanliot> there are no pengins in norway
[19:34] <kanliot> you are like a herring
[19:34] <silverarrow> we have a few at the zoo
[19:35] <wxl> kanliot: did you figure out that whole update manager thing? it's popping up fine for me in quantal and those changes i made were in precise
[19:35] <kanliot> i'm gonna follow up wxl
[19:35] <wxl> k
[19:35] <kanliot> install the daily build in a vm
[19:35] <kanliot> see if it updates in a week
[19:35] <wxl> the discovery that running the cron job doesn't replicate the otherwise normal pop up is, uh, frustrating
[19:35] <silverarrow> updater works fine in precise here
[19:36] <wxl> shh shh go back to sleep silverarrow XD
[19:36] <silverarrow> thought I had an issue where I lauched it in terminal
[19:36] <kanliot> did you update to 12.04.1?  does it run automatically w/o you starting it?
[19:36] <silverarrow> ok
[19:36] <wxl> kanliot: yes and yes
[19:36] <kanliot> ok
[19:37] <wxl> that's what i tried to explain in the comments but i appear to have done a poor job
[19:37] <silverarrow> brb, I`m off to buy some mushrooms
[19:37] <kanliot> bah i'm still frustrated these mplayer-gnome people wanted me to install gnome.  just because i filed a gnome-mplayer bug
[19:38] <wxl> hahahah
[19:38] <silverarrow> lol
[19:38] <silverarrow> I like gnome mplayer
[19:39] <kanliot> yeah it's pretty fast when its not crashing
[19:39] <silverarrow> though on ppc there a way to many broken packages
[19:39] <silverarrow> never crashes?
[19:39] <silverarrow> I have the 1.0.6 packages
[19:39] <silverarrow> quantal I mean
[19:39] <kanliot> open preferences
[19:40] <kanliot> in quantal
[19:40] <kanliot> anyhow lets change the subject
[19:40] <silverarrow> hmm, I have quantal mplayer built on precise
[19:40] <kanliot> i was thinking of something important
[19:40] <wxl> ooooh
[19:40] <kanliot> but i forgot already
[19:40] <kanliot> wxl i've been using konsole
[19:40] <wxl> Something Importan™!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:41] <kanliot> i really like it on lubuntu over other stuff
[19:41] <silverarrow> horror
[19:41] <kanliot> no really
[19:41] <kanliot> it's fine
[19:41] <wxl> never used
[19:41] <wxl> well maybe i have
[19:41] <wxl> i haven't used k-anything in forver
[19:42] <wxl> since my very first slackware install many, many moons ago
[19:42] <kanliot> i'm  an old total-commander user
[19:42] <kanliot> so i'm trying out konqueror
[19:42] <wxl> right right
[19:42] <silverarrow> brb, 20 min, out to get some of these http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_gvmKmeMujU/TjB0wNfrC3I/AAAAAAAAD84/wqqeK854hlA/s1600/kantareller1.jpg
[19:42] <wxl> makes sense
[19:43] <wxl> chantrelles!
[19:43] <wxl> we've got tons of those here
[19:43] <wxl> my faves
[19:43] <silverarrow> that`s what you call them
[19:43] <silverarrow> I don`t dare pick muchsrooms
[19:43] <balloons> kanliot, can you run "gsettings get com.ubuntu.update-notifier auto-launch"
[19:44] <kanliot> balloons  there was no need to search your chat logs
[19:44] <kanliot> i tried that
[19:44] <balloons> lololol
[19:44] <kanliot> was set to yes on precise and quantal whwere the bugs were
[19:44] <kanliot> but thanks :)
[19:45] <silverarrow> what does that do?
[19:46] <kanliot> no idea
[19:46] <kanliot> but it's a linux thing you can turn on
[19:46] <silverarrow> so if I run it?
[19:46] <wxl> "linux thing"
[19:46] <wxl> is that like "da kine?"
[19:46] <silverarrow> very useful term
[19:46] <silverarrow> lol
[20:26] <silverarrow> is there a way for me to check which graphic drivers I have running in 12.04?
[20:28] <kanliot> everything i've seen about linux drivers is a process of elimination
[20:28] <kanliot> you check for fgrlx, then whatever else you can think of
[20:29] <silverarrow> drivers are horror
[20:29] <kanliot> modprobe -l
[20:30] <kanliot> i'm sure steve ballmer likes the linux drivers
[20:30] <kanliot> if you own a server
[20:30] <kanliot> the drivers are great
[20:30] <kanliot> desktop, not so much
[20:51] <silverarrow> anyone clever with log reading ?
[20:51] <silverarrow> and graphic drivers
[20:53] <kanliot> is this 12.10
[20:53] <kanliot> just assume x.org
[20:55] <silverarrow>  4X AGP ATI Mobility Radeon 9550 graphics with 32 MB of DDR SDRAM
[20:55] <silverarrow> this is my card
[20:55] <silverarrow> and I probably don`t have hard ware acceleration
[20:56] <kanliot> 12.10?
[20:56] <silverarrow> 12.04
[20:56] <kanliot> did you install fg* whatever
[20:56] <silverarrow> I am hoping to find a way about the 12.10 booting issues
[20:57] <silverarrow> what?
[20:57] <silverarrow> not sure
[20:57] <silverarrow> kms
[21:00] <kanliot> ?
[21:00] <silverarrow> kernel mode setting
[21:01] <silverarrow> which is above my capabilities
[21:01] <silverarrow> I can copy and paste
[21:01] <silverarrow> 123456
[21:01] <silverarrow> !"#¤¤%%
[21:02] <kanliot> seriiously why are you killin yerself for 12.10
[21:02] <kanliot> it will still be here in a month
[21:04] <silverarrow> yeah, I shall put it aside until monday at least
[21:04] <kanliot> haleluiah
[21:04] <kanliot> !
[21:04] <silverarrow> when beta 2 might be available
[21:05] <silverarrow> ;- )
[21:05] <kanliot> i think the beta 2 "freeze" is monday
[21:05] <kanliot> i donno what that is really
[21:06] <kanliot> i am simple a lonely dog body
[21:06] <kanliot> simply
[21:29] <phillw> kanliot: the freeze is already in place, the beta 2's arrive monda.
[21:29] <phillw> *monday*
[22:19] <phillw> balloons: kanliot double ping :)
[22:19]  * balloons ducks
[22:19] <balloons> kanliot popped my balloons
[22:21] <phillw> balloons: heck, he's a bit of new blood. Cut him some slack?
[22:24] <phillw> balloons: you still mad busy or have time for a chat?
[22:24] <balloons> phillw, for you.. :-)
[22:24] <balloons> I'm watching 2 dogs atm
[22:24] <balloons> so I may randomly go afk
[22:24] <balloons> fyi..
[22:25] <phillw> I'm watching Casino Royale :D
[22:26] <knome> balloons, what happened? :P
[22:28] <balloons> knome, lol.. I don't remember
[22:28] <balloons> I was floating along nicely and suddenly
[22:28] <balloons> ...
[22:29] <balloons> a pin appeared
[22:29] <balloons> and I was popped
[22:29] <balloons> I think it was 'just for fun'! That's the worst part
[22:29] <balloons> I'm still recovering
[22:30] <knome> awwh
[22:37] <kanliot> i can be a prick
[22:39] <knome> mmh, ice cream and strawberries
[22:39] <knome> probably not too healthy to eat them at 2am...
[22:47] <balloons> kanliot, ohh boy.. da puns!
[22:49] <phillw> kanliot: you have recently done a module on IRC, do please think twice on your choice of words :D