[00:50] phillw, when are the respins expected? [00:51] leadsled: I believe they are on the cron job. [00:52] As there is still last minute stuff coming in, they have extended time scales to the point of breaking, but not beyond. [01:04] phillw, I already see some things that I would change, do I need to submit these thing for consultation? [01:04] leadsled: on test cases? [01:05] phillw, yes [01:07] fire an email off to nicholas.skaggs@canonical.com and please cc me at phillw@ubuntu.com [01:07] One of us will get about them! [01:12] leadsled: it is for balloons to allocate edit privs, I'm an editor and can check what is proposed and apply it if I am happy with it. As you have the horrendous task of actually proof-reading all our work, it is probably best that you keep that vital role and not get involved in editing; else we will need another person to check the edits.. etc. [01:13] leadsled: or, put another way - you point out the errors... we have to go fix them :D [02:07] Hey does anyone knows whoy ubuntu works in a HP Pavilion dv6-6180la Notebook?? [09:02] anyone heard something on the installer issues ? [09:02] No.:) [09:05] unfortunate [09:05] the clever guys are on to it, but it must be a difficult one [09:06] :) [09:06] vm seems to bee useless in this case too [09:06] I believe in the installer guys [09:06] me too, they just need the right kind of input [09:06] Yeah but then people DO often say that ubiquity is **** [09:07] hopefully ubiquity will get sorted out [09:07] there are always some issues that need ironing out [09:08] :) [09:08] it`s like it is made to be this way [09:08] linux users are meant to struggle a bit [09:08] and definitely the devs and builders [09:08] not to mention testers [09:09] :) [09:11] however, installer is a bit critical it haults everything [09:11] Yes it does [09:12] It worked painlessly in 12.04 so it is definitely not impossible [09:14] Well it is a developing OS so... [09:15] I think the trouble is the ppc team cannot duplicate the problem on their hardware [09:15] I certainly have the problem but cannot report back any useful info [09:15] we should send them an old ibook or two [09:16] an ibook and a powerbook [09:16] some of the G5s are still pretty decent [09:17] compared to new hardware I mean [09:18] but with the typical ppc issues, which are software related [09:19] PPC is a problem... [09:20] ibm still makes them [09:20] huge powerful things [09:21] mostly servers I think [09:23] half an hour until noon, and I am out to lunch [09:25] what about the oversize issue on cd? [09:25] ubiquity is good =(((( [09:25] is it only 64bit? I have burned lubuntu on cd no problem [09:26] yes, ubiquity is usually fine [09:26] but alway!!!! s needs sorting out on the betas and alphas [09:27] ppc should run all fine with some tuning though [09:27] xnox, have heard anything on the installer issue? [09:28] ppc is not ubiquity problems [09:29] xnox: Sometimes I need to disagree that ubiquity is good. My way of saying this should be: It is good but clearly unstable. [09:30] most of the time it's everything but ubiquity: X, kernel, grub/bootloaders [09:39] I`m not sure if it all can be blamed on ubiquity though, [09:40] or at all [09:41] live cd just don`t work [09:41] some focus on the graphic drivers [09:41] thought non of the workarounds suggested makes a difference on my laptop [09:42] which I find a bit worrying [10:35] is the live cd problem for powerpc the same in ubuntu and lubuntu? [10:37] I get a cursor and a warped ubuntu purply wallpaper when booting the live DVD [10:37] in lubuntu I get a full desktop environment not working though [10:52] the screen "try or install ubuntu" is the same for all images (even kubuntu) [10:52] it is a "fake" desktop-like session. [10:52] with a wallpaper and a few gadgets around [10:52] I see [10:53] we do different tricks depending on what packages are available [10:53] e.g. start different settings daemons, use different window manager, set different wallpaper and the like. [10:53] the most important would be working wireless and installer I should think [10:53] X + thin app layer + ubiquity [10:54] after you click "Try" a proper live session is loaded as expected by that spin. [10:54] if you launch ubiquity from there - it is just a python app with none of the crazy stuff. [10:54] wireless is actually network-manager + dbus over which ubiquity talks with network manager [10:55] I have launched installer from the desktop icon [10:56] Is there a way to give any useful feedback on this bug? [10:56] I have lunched ubiquity in terminal and posted the results [10:56] in Ubuntu I get absolutely nothing usable at all [10:57] in lubuntu it is slightly better [11:02] so, now clever suggestions ? [11:02] no* [11:43] fellows [11:44] I can't start the current daily in vbox or qemu (virt-manager) [11:44] are others experiencing this? [11:44] qemu had a blinking cursor, vbox is just blackness [11:46] wait a second, I got something, 10 minutes later === sagaci__ is now known as sagaci [12:10] desktop i386 loads fine in vbox but performance is unbearable [12:10] albeit marginally better than a couple of weeks ago === _salem is now known as salem_ [13:01] Hi all, have just completed my first .iso test, can anyone spare a few seconds to answer a few questions? [13:02] yes [13:02] http://code.google.com/p/gnome-mplayer/issues/detail?id=638#c8 [13:02] developers are so frustrating. [13:02] someone should teach them stuff [13:02] he actually implies i should be running GNOME to test his bug [13:06] ade ask [13:09] kanliot, lol [13:09] ade, fire away [13:09] Thanks kanliot. Basically while performing the live .iso daily test, my system was absolutely crawling! Took some 20 mins to launch ubuntu, open the browser and shut down. How do you think the best way to flag this up would be, as not really a bug? [13:10] Hey balloons [13:10] ade, using real hw or virtual? [13:10] real hw, booting from usb key [13:10] not a bug [13:10] persistence is slow [13:11] ade, have you run any images this cycke> [13:11] the shell is now unity3d.. your system might be one that is better served by a non3d window manager [13:11] balloons it's a bug in usb-creator [13:12] that and/or your usb key may be slow.. in general it may be why you are seeing bad performance [13:12] i'm 200% sure [13:12] usb-creator :( [13:12] kanliot, I don't even know how he created the image [13:12] he or she.. sorry ade :-) [13:12] I thought it may be something like that. [13:12] ade you a girl? [13:13] if you believe it to be a usb creator bug or something like that.. you can use dd to copy the image to usb manually [13:13] Haha! No, for the record I am all male (last I checked?) [13:13] yeah [13:13] the devs dont use usb-creator [13:13] I used TestDrive to create the bootable usb key [13:14] testdrive [13:14] dd if=/the/path/to.iso of=/dev/sdX [13:14] whats that [13:14] testdrive to create the iso, really? [13:14] whoa [13:14] ade, I've been using that for almost a year now [13:14] I NEVER EVER noticed or clicked that button [13:15] <-- mind blown [13:15] Hahaha [13:15] well i was wrong about usb-creator [13:15] i would be more baffled if you never noticed it but still clicked it [13:15] but it still might be persistence [13:17] It was my first test so I figured easing in gently with test drive would be a little easier, I did a vm test first which sailed and then though about the persistance test so just clicked create key and got to it. [13:17] persistence is one of those features that doesn't work for 30% of users [13:17] and they still promote it [13:17] Wow what are we talking about?:D [13:18] read up [13:18] Hi kanliot [13:18] Hi ade [13:18] Hey smartyboyhw [13:19] Anyways, so is it pretty much decided that the poor performance was simply down to persistence then? [13:20] ade, kanliot certainly is convinced :-) If you wish, creating a non-persitant usb key would confirm or deny it :-) [13:21] I've never experienced the issue myself, but :-) [13:21] I've never used that usb disk creator etheir [13:21] balloons, I like your thinking! I think it needs to be settled lol [13:22] so since your iso is in testdrive, do you know where it's located? [13:22] think you can run the dd command yourself, or you need help? [13:22] you need to be careful with using dd.. it's powerful and can wipe drives [13:23] unetbootin is an option [13:23] lol, now kanliot there's something I use to love, but doesn't work at all for me anymore [13:24] * kanliot just broke compiz [13:24] :( [13:24] whenever the switch was made to make all ubuntu images usb bootable by default, unetbootin kind of doesn't work anymore [13:24] for me anyways [13:24] kanliot, how can you break something that is already broken? :) [13:24] I prefer just writing the image myself [13:25] how exactly is unetbootin broken? [13:25] I have absolutely no idea where it's located but shouldn't't be to difficult to find. I will have a good browse of the man page before I do anything drastic, don't you worry lol [13:25] Been there, done that! [13:25] boot menu? [13:26] and the 30% of users who try ubuntu on the usb key who have ade's result [13:26] i guess they are SOL [13:26] because i don't see them here [13:27] sorry i'm grumpy [13:29] ade, well I can walk you through it quickly [13:29] where do you upload videos of your testing session? [13:29] hit your preferences page in testdrive, it will tell you where it caches the isos [13:29] dev wants me to record a video of hte bug [13:29] should be under ~/.cache/testdrive [13:29] kanliot, ohh you can't attach it? [13:30] I would use kazaam, record and attach to lp [13:30] kazaam better than recordmydesktop? [13:30] barring that, you can use youtube, and make it unlisted if you want a little more privacy to it [13:30] kanliot, I prefer it, but ;-) [13:35] hah [13:35] productivity success [13:35] installed recordmydesktop, recoreded the bug and uploaded [13:35] bbl [13:35] excellent [13:36] Nice one kanliot, love it when a plan comes together eh? [13:36] yeah [13:36] and he didn't respond when i asked him why i should install KDE to test the bug [13:36] :) [13:39] did apt-cache search kazaam [13:39] nothing [13:40] and google search just shows saquille o neal vids [13:43] kanliot, he's likely trying to rule out the de being an issue [13:43] run it under anything else [13:43] dude, i run LXDE [13:43] is what i should have said [13:45] ok this is for balloons [13:45] i think i understand the workaround for software-updater on quantal [13:45] but it's not the result i'm looking for [13:46] i still think it's a big quality issue [13:46] although it doesn't affect people who want to update through the command line everday [13:46] kanliot, https://launchpad.net/kazam [13:46] sudo apt-get install kazam [13:47] kanliot, you mean the display weekly thing? [13:47] yeah [13:47] just have lxde ship the default as daily if you wish to change it [13:47] or change it yourself :-) [13:47] it wasn't set to weekly [13:48] or it wasn't updating weekly === skaet_ is now known as skaet [13:48] i guess i'm not 100% sure [13:49] but i observed that it wasn't working weekly or otherwise until it was set to daily [13:49] and you can't set to daily on my precise machine [13:49] hi [13:49] not sure why [13:50] maybe you could have wxl explain why it's a decent workaround [13:50] but if it doesn't work on precise [13:51] and it doesn't work until you do an workaround which i couldnt figure out [13:51] or you [13:51] or wxl [13:51] maybe it's not really working [13:51] Tell you what... round of applause for kanliot - without persistance, iso ran like a dream from usb and didn't encounter half the problems raised when actually performing the test. [13:51] :) [13:52] Persistence sucks! [13:52] yeah [13:52] obvious to everyone but the people who use it [13:53] lol, I have never felt the need to use it but test case called for it so... [13:53] Am very surprised at it's impact though [13:54] one of the main functions of qa is to make people aware of bugs that affect quality [13:54] and give numbers to that quality [13:55] Well I passed the test because it did complete all the required tasks, but in reality if that was a first time user then they would be reaching back for that windows cd pretty damm fast. [13:56] yeah and it's an unneeded feature as well [13:56] you didn't need persistence [13:56] neither do i [13:56] i have posted a message on the forums [13:56] a few people chimed in, and agreed [13:57] ive found complaints about stack exchange [13:57] unanswered questions [13:57] it's a support issue [13:57] True, very true. Can you post a forum link please? Would be interested in reading what people have to say [13:58] the specific post? [13:58] its been 6 mo [13:58] congrats kanliot :-) [13:58] lol [13:58] you were correct [13:58] we could update the testcase to mention the potential issue [13:58] Sorry I missed the logs:) [13:58] Oh, thought you just created the post lol [13:58] kanliot, on the update-manager thing [13:58] What happened ? [13:59] everything works properly for me on precise, running lubuntu [13:59] * smartboyhw finally got Ubuntu Studio back [13:59] i'll find the thread it will just take too damn long [13:59] No don;t be silly kanliot, I might have a search myself later for it. [13:59] :) [13:59] k :) [13:59] kanliot, what iso were you running? [14:00] silverarrow [14:00] ade is new to this channel [14:00] * smartboyhw throws a welcome party to ade lol [14:00] and he was having a problem using a usb-key installed with a apersistent livecd [14:00] Haha, cheers! [14:00] which can be horribly slow [14:01] so we were just wondering why persistence is even installed automatically if it fails so often [14:01] persistence on usb flash drives [14:02] hi ade [14:02] balloons is the lubuntu up to date? [14:02] kanliot, lol [14:02] * silverarrow wonders if lubuntu cd boots at all [14:03] I think that's a good idea balloons, a simple warning would be resonable I think [14:03] Hey silverarrow [14:03] kanliot, yes up to date [14:03] brb [14:04] back in a bit [14:04] cya balloons [14:12] how do you bind F12 with eject command? [14:13] Er!? [14:13] all it does now is show right click menu [14:13] Good kanliot is back [14:14] sorry, wrong channel [14:14] hi man [14:14] wb [14:14] what time is it in HK? [14:14] quarter past four here [14:14] kanliot, 10:14 PM [14:14] i thought you were in china [14:15] HK is China mate [14:15] has been for 12 years [14:15] are you sure ? ;-) [14:15] well longer [14:15] kanliot, 15 [14:15] 15 years [14:15] * smartboyhw is fourteen BTW [14:16] time goes fast [14:16] and the british empire keeps dwindling [14:16] lol [14:17] yah 1997 [14:17] just double checked :) [14:17] yeah, we need to be reminded [14:17] :) [14:17] so you're in usa smartboyhw [14:17] ? [14:17] kanliot, er it is PM (night) [14:18] 10:17 PM, not AM [14:18] duh [14:18] pm is night [14:18] but are you in HK? [14:18] Yes [14:18] Current location: Hong Kong, China [14:18] and what time is it [14:19] 10:14 PM [14:19] sorry my bad [14:20] lol [14:21] * smartboyhw wants kanliot to guess when balloons will come back [14:24] isn`t "am" everything from 00:00 to 12.00, and "pm" from 12.00 to 00:00 ? [14:24] silverarrow, Yes [14:24] twelve o`clock being noon [14:25] Yes [14:25] i always have to think twice on that [14:25] we don`t use am and pm [14:25] in daily speech I mean [14:26] Oh! [14:28] probably a British and/or US standard [14:29] it is international, but not used much in my language [14:30] is anything being done on the ppc iso? [14:30] the installer bug is not improving on the dailies [14:30] I have been checking every day [14:31] not sure if any useful info goes to the right people [14:32] If anyone has a suggestion of debugging live CD or alternate, I am willing to take directions [14:32] for testing I mean [14:32] i would trust phillw to move heaven and earth to get ppc working [14:32] ;- ) [14:32] sounds good [14:33] lol [14:33] just as long as he does dig any deeper [14:33] doesn`t [14:33] is phillw working on ppc hardware ? [14:34] no [14:34] silverarrow, er...IDK [14:34] silverarrow: as soon as the beta 2's arrive I am hoping to spend some time with colin watson on the ppc issues. There is some guidance in the bug reports to be tried out. [14:34] :) [14:34] they are running flat out of feature freeze exceptions at the moment. [14:35] yes, that is the problem, everything freezes up [14:35] lubuntu shows desktop environment, Ubuntu not at all [14:36] ubuntu has a warped purply background, with a cursor and nothing else [14:36] silverarrow: have you read through the suggested work arounds on the ppc bug reports? [14:36] I have tried all the suggested workaround to manager graphic drivers in yaboot stage [14:37] ahh, that's a yes, then :/ [14:37] I thinks so [14:37] ;/ [14:38] infinity: you asked to be reminded anout putting the lubuntu iso's onto a diet :) [14:38] nasty bug to have when it haults all further testing [14:38] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563 [14:38] Ubuntu bug 1046563 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager never appears on lubuntu precise" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:38] balloons says it's he can't confirm on precise [14:38] that bug [14:38] Duh [14:39] Flavor progress [14:39] Edubuntu: 45% [14:39] Kubuntu: 38% [14:39] Lubuntu: 53% [14:39] and i guess i need to reconfirm that that the bug shows on quantal [14:39] yeah, I read that one too, not sure if I can confirm it either, and I run precise every day [14:39] Ubuntu Studio: 36% [14:39] kanliot: he did confirm it, just some debate on what the defauklt setting should be. [14:39] Xubuntu: 95%!!!!!!! How on earth [14:39] phillw lets say I reinstall with a fresh quantal [14:39] and wait a week [14:39] and the bug bites [14:40] would you be interested? [14:40] if they are bloodsuckers you might get anemic [14:40] we are always interested. [14:40] if they are wood termites, perforated floorings ? [14:40] not funny [14:40] smartboyhw: have a look at how many variants there are for xubuntu :) [14:40] i'm talking about wiping my pc [14:40] phillw: LOL [14:41] xubuntu is popular [14:41] kanliot: can you not set up a VM? [14:41] and let it run for a week? [14:41] i have to admit i don't know how to test update-manager [14:41] software updater [14:41] it does not need to run for a week. just re-start it after 7 days and see if it looks for updates :) [14:42] ok [14:42] sounds good [14:42] glad i ask [14:42] ed [14:42] was beta 2 today? [14:42] for some, possibly but usually monday. [14:42] kanliot, freeze was on [14:42] so beta 2 is moday [14:43] kanliot: just keep an eye on the iso-tracker. [14:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule [14:43] why phillw [14:44] kanliot: there will a section added called 'Beta 2' :) [14:44] k thx [14:44] kanliot: if you get bored, can you proof read the testcases for lubuntu and check for typos etc. [14:44] gimme link [14:45] i'll do it [14:45] phillw: And we will see if kanliot will have an opportunity to be in Testcase Admins:) [14:46] kanliot: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds [14:46] you need to proof read the 4 for Desktop and the 3 for alternate. [14:47] you only have to proof read one set, not all of them! [14:47] * smartboyhw will help to proofread also if phillw wants to [14:47] kanliot: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/23814/testcases [14:48] smartboyhw: do you want to do http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/23809/testcases [14:48] phillw: Sure:) [14:48] i'm missing something [14:48] will make a lot of "Yes's" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates [14:48] lol [14:49] kanliot: ? [14:49] as those 7 test cases are flavour agnostic and apply accross the board :) [14:50] well the testcase wasn't expanding when i clicked arrow [14:50] Typo!!!! [14:51] phillw; Typo found:) [14:51] kanliot: which one? [14:52]