[06:16] morning all [06:17] morning AlanBell [06:37] morning lovelies [06:45] popey: have you tried to shut down your 12.10 machine [06:51] morning [06:52] i just shut one down [06:54] popey: did it actually shut down [06:54] mine goes back to the login screen [06:54] so I've to hard shut it down [06:54] :/ [06:55] define "hard shut it down"? [06:55] power button [06:55] there's a shutdown option in the login screen [06:55] hold it down [06:55] erk [06:55] * czajkowski goes to file another bug :/ [06:55] I have seen this on my machine [06:55] not sure if against unity [06:55] its nothing to do with unity [07:00] what do I file it against? [07:01] not sure [07:01] lightdm maybe [07:03] cheers [07:10] bug filed === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [07:31] I will be almost sad when the window decorations return to Quantal [07:34] lol [07:34] bugger nautilus has just crashed [07:34] no idea why [07:34] helpful [07:47] second breakfast later \o/ http://www.hobbitsecondbreakfast.com/ [07:47] morning folks [07:49] AlanBell: no Dutch candy fest with christel and the other alans? [07:49] (not that christel is an alan, of course...) [07:50] not even an Alana [07:51] or Alanis [07:55] I only remembered last night when I'm at UDS it's not euro :/ [07:57] Stubborn Danes. [07:59] hello anyone [08:00] just testing this chat 1st time here...anybody here ? [08:00] no, nobody is here [08:00] we're all just figments of your imagination ;) [08:00] Lol tanx [08:00] new to this [08:01] so is this chat open to the whole internet, those who have it that is ? [08:01] irc is very addictive - Beware! [08:02] thanx pinky [08:02] does it get very busy [08:03] pinky-: it is indeed, it sucks you in. Once I had a job, friends, family, a house a car, some chickens and then I discovered IRC [08:03] :D [08:03] Lol, really that good eh ! when are the busy times ? [08:04] depends really [08:04] it is always busy in #ubuntu, and busyish during UK awake times here [08:04] so its world wide then or just uk ? [08:04] lovejoy56, yes this channel is publicly logged, so becareful what you type [08:04] for fairly insomniac definitions of awake times [08:05] pinky, what does publicly logged mean pls ? [08:05] !1984 [08:05] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too; for older LoCo channel logs, see http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [08:05] I think the old logs are gone [08:06] so what is "public logging ? [08:06] it means that everything on the channel is put on that web page for everyone to see [08:06] lovejoy56, a bot in here posts to a website [08:07] MartijnVdS: i sometimes ponder changing my name to alan [08:07] ah right I see, tanx [08:07] i'm thinking "Alan Fake" to go with four letter surname theme [08:07] christel: wouldn't that confuse people though [08:07] i like confusing people! [08:07] we shall have a candy fest soon! [08:07] \o/ [08:08] Free candy? [08:08] lovejoy56, for example http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/09/09/%23ubuntu-uk.html [08:08] christel: surely Alan Flake is better [08:08] do we know which website text is published on ? [08:08] xnox: that's not 4 letters long, like the other alans [08:08] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [08:09] diplo: oh MartijnVdS sent us a KILO of dutch delights [08:09] or http://ubuntu-uk.org/todays-chatter/ [08:09] !!!!!!!! [08:09] ok tanx ppl [08:10] I've probably just bought a kilo of sweets for my sons bday next week for party bags :) [08:10] diplo: not pepernoten and kruidnoten probably ;) [08:10] * diplo has no idea what they are so no :) [08:10] diplo: party bags \o/ [08:10] i am so having party bags at my next birthday party [08:10] (i am so having a birthday party for my next birthday) [08:10] Taking a group of children Ten pin bowling :) [08:11] :D [08:14] ricecrispy cakes!! [08:15] all parties must have them! === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:17] does anyone know what happens to icons in the launch bar of linux when the bar is full pls ? [08:17] lovejoy56: on the left side you mean? You can scroll through them with the mouse wheel I think [08:18] yes and ok tanx but i dont use a mouse with laptop [08:18] lovejoy56: the right side of a trackpad is also a "scroll area" [08:18] lovejoy56: or sometimes 2 fingers at the same time = scrolling [08:19] sorry but whats a trackpad ? I only installed yesterday [08:19] lovejoy56: that's the "mouse" bit on a laptop -- the thing you move your finger on to move the pointer [08:19] you can also use the keyboard [08:20] thanks Martin lol I call it touch pad sorry [08:20] ALT+F1, then use the up/down arrows to navigate the launchpad [08:20] s/launchpad/launcher/ [08:20] oh really thats very useful thank you [08:21] anyone here got an nvidia or ati machine running 12.04 with unity on multi-monitor? [08:21] popey: I had one, but it crashed a lot, so now I have intel. [08:21] nvm :) [08:22] is this site only UK ? [08:23] lovejoy56: this channel is focussed on the UK but we have people here from all over the place [08:23] ok tanx [08:23] there are many other channels for different places [08:23] how are they accessed [08:24] lovejoy56, to join for example #ubuntu type /join #ubuntu [08:24] you can find out more here: http://loco.ubuntu.com [08:24] thanx [08:25] lovejoy56, another good tip for irc is quick spelling peeps names by typing first letter or two of nick then hit the "tab-key" to auto complete [08:25] anyone else in London today? [08:25] pinky-, thanx [08:25] you can also keep hitting "tab-key" to cycle through names if alot start with same letters [08:25] anyone in liverpool ? [08:26] pinky-, tanx again [08:26] I'm across the land from you in Teesside [08:26] pinky-, oh ok....is it cold there ? its freezing here [08:27] hehe I've not even openeed the curtain yets.. I have no idea:) [08:27] pinky-, lol does this chat give out your email addy ? [08:28] no. but you can set a hide function with nickserv.. brb [08:29] pinky-, yeah i gotta go to....need to explore this linux system properly. bye for now [08:29] ok I'll tll you later as I need to find it.. I'm new on this server too [08:29] oops too late [08:31] I need to tell him when returns /msg nickserv set hidemail on [08:31] just found it again [08:37] Oh, happy Friday, everyone! :-D [08:38] Friday has come around quickly again [08:38] well it has to me [08:39] I'm sat here today waiting for a home delivery from ASDA [08:39] fun fun fun [08:39] pinky-: I was saying the same to one of the mums at school this morning. Last week was a grueller, this week has flown by. [08:39] Hi kids :) [08:39] lo bigcalm [08:40] yo [08:41] This week has definitely flown past for me, partly because I've been working late most days. [08:41] * bigcalm_laptop looks at the world through bleary eyes [08:41] * dwatkins hands bigcalm_laptop a nice big mug of tea and a biscuit [08:42] Yay [08:42] bigcalm, I always drink water before I sleep when I drink alcohol and helps me a lot with hangovers in morning [08:43] otherwise I suffer [08:45] * bigcalm_laptop updates his nick highlight list [08:46] lovejoy56, welcome back.. type /msg nickserv set hidemail on [08:46] it will hide your mail addy on a /whois [08:46] * popey pokes davmor2 [08:46] The following packages have unmet dependencies. [08:46] shatter:i386 : Depends: shatter-bin:i386 but it is not installed [08:46] spacepiratesandzombies:i386 : Depends: spacepiratesandzombies-bin:i386 but it is not installed [08:46] pinky-, hi, i wondered what nickserv was tanx [08:46] type /msg nickerv help [08:46] for all commands [08:47] nickserv* [08:47] sorry for typo [08:48] pinky-, it wont work for me [08:49] ? /msg nickserv help [08:49] without the ?? [08:49] ? /msg nickserv help [08:49] /msg nickserv help [08:50] pinky-, nah not workin for me [08:50] :) [08:50] oh [08:51] umm I'm not in xchat and unsure of your settings, is there any notices in your server window? [08:51] For more than a week my laptop has said that there are no packages that need upgrading. I think it's lying, but how do I get it tow work? [08:51] which mirror? [08:52] Laney: esat.net - chosen by the choose the best mirror for me thingy [08:53] * bigcalm_laptop tries another one [08:53] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors [08:53] that's a good link to check on mirrors [08:53] unknown for that one though :( [08:54] it's just chosen as29550.net, lets see if it helps [08:55] * bigcalm_laptop hogs all of christel's bandwidth [08:56] 82 updates, 151.9mb to download :D [08:56] Laney: ta [08:57] That's odd. The system has started asking me for my password to do updates. Maybe it's adding/removing as well as updating today [08:58] it always asks for new packages [08:58] probably new kernel [08:58] it needs to learn how to remove old/unused kernels [08:58] I had to remove ~20 old kernels the other day [08:59] write a blueprint for UDS :) [08:59] it should remove kernels where its not been booted to for more than a certain number of days [08:59] and where we still have two known good kernels [09:02] one of todays irksome bugs -https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/1047431 [09:02] Ubuntu bug 1047431 in gedit (Ubuntu) "gedit crashed with signal 5 in _XReply()" [Medium,Confirmed] [09:05] good morning everyone, [09:06] I HAVE A CAT [09:06] i have never seen it before [09:06] but it is in my garden [09:07] this makes it mine, right? [09:07] haha [09:07] Finders keepers [09:07] :D [09:07] well, tht could argued christel [09:07] feed it, then it'll always come back [09:07] someone nicked one of our cats when I was a kid by doing that :( [09:07] they used to feed him, then when they moved they took him with them [09:07] :( [09:08] :( [09:08] don't give cats milk as they are not lactose tolerant [09:09] I have cats and all are house cats and never go out.. even if doors are wide open they stay in, my eldest is 15 years old. [09:09] Reboot time! [09:11] * popey wonders where his cats are [09:12] one of the neighbours cats keeps coming in to get our cats food [09:12] gps tagging, and a camera, :) [09:12] the neighbours dont feed it, and basically kick it out all the time [09:12] so he comes round ours [09:12] i have been in the lounge with both our cats and heard the cat flap go.. both of our cats look at me going "huh?" [09:13] :D [09:13] I have a soft spot for them and keep getting more from Cats Protection [09:13] popey: your cats are lovely [09:13] pinky-, you turning into an old cat lady like you see on telly? [09:13] maybe I'm infected with gonzii toxic plasma?? [09:14] but yeah:) [09:14] heh [09:14] * popey uses xmltv to download a list of programmes now showing in Hungary [09:15] gondii* [09:15] popey: is your electricity bill quite high? [09:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis [09:15] dunno really [09:15] Yay indifference [09:15] wifey deals with that [09:16] I got my new DD amount today for the 'lectrics [09:16] £33, seems a lot for just me [09:16] used compare the meerkat to switch to another provider [09:16] Martin Lewis is my god [09:18] i hate that guy [09:18] i dont know why, he just bugs me [09:18] moo [09:18] Laney: that's what my bill is ish, for me mainly and with the kids a few days a week [09:18] And similar for gas [09:19] I suppose I just phone up in a few months with readings and get it changed [09:20] I dropped mine by about £15/20 a month last year, so the ex was the cause of my electric bill :) [09:22] heh [09:22] I had to register to pay council tax for the first time too this week [09:23] :( being old is crap :( [09:24] Laney: welcome to life :) [09:24] I don't feel very welcome! [09:26] * bigcalm_laptop gives Laney a biscuit [09:26] yay [09:26] Got your 25% discount for living on your own Laney ? [09:26] yeah [09:26] lovejoy56, I've sent you a private message, do you see another chat window? [09:26] the bill already knew everything, even the exact date I moved in [09:27] but I never told them any information... [09:27] Tin foil hat! [09:27] sus pish us [09:28] lol [09:30] I posted him some freenode nickserv help webpages and told him about unaffiliated vhosts, not sure if he see it.. [09:30] * mattt is happy it's friday [09:33] MartijnVdS: I have this bash command in a script in ~/bin http://www.tolaris.com/2012/07/19/removing-old-kernels-from-ubuntu/ [09:34] TheOpenSourcerer: ooh, shiny.. thanks! [09:41] Morning all [09:41] Hiya davmor2 [09:41] Why am I working? [09:42] bigcalm_laptop: Hey from down sowffff [09:42] davmor2: you're south of me today? [09:42] bigcalm_laptop: because you have no idea how to have a holiday? [09:43] davmor2: correct [09:43] bigcalm_laptop: I missed the "to you" D'oh I said it in my head you should just of read it in like what I did ;) [09:44] davmor2: oh no, that would mean that we were a couple if I am meant to know what you are saying [09:44] * bigcalm_laptop feels very disturbed [09:45] bigcalm_laptop: as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced? [09:45] MartijnVdS: I don't think that I am that one with the force sadly [09:46] bigcalm_laptop: several hundreds of voices, tops? :) [09:46] heh [09:47] MartijnVdS: there is something about your user means irc away proxy emails to me arrive blank [09:47] Please insert sensible grammar where sensible [09:47] parse error. [09:48] I agree, but it's not my script and I'm too lazy [09:48] Could be that it doesn't like the ipv6 host :) [09:48] mwuahaha :) [09:50] popey: this is what I mean about the launcher http://ubuntuone.com/2xw4FPwmUBbc25GaAPdwYS [09:50] lol [09:50] thats hilarious [09:51] popey: another 100 or so to go too and I've removed all the ones I'd installed the day before [09:54] davmor2: wow [09:56] czajkowski: and you think you have issues pfffffff [10:00] christel has left the room yet her laptop is not locked. Oh if only I were a devious person [10:01] * bigcalm_laptop continues to do his own work [10:01] bigcalm_laptop: you think that devious......... [10:02] Anybody here got a windows machine that they wouldn't mind me RDPing into to check some work on InternetExplorer? [10:02] christel: How could you say that on a public channel, you should be ashamed of yourself :D [10:05] bigcalm_laptop: I have one but it's 7 basic so I don't think it does rdp, and I'm not sure how I would enable it through the firewalls either [10:06] Ta anyway [10:06] I'm seeing if I can get IE installed on wine somehow [10:06] Play On Linux doesn't seem to be in the USC though [10:06] Odd [10:06] bigcalm: there is IE4linux I think [10:07] Indeed, quite old though [10:07] hmm, reboot time. Time for a constitutional and moar coffee then. bbl [10:07] TMI [10:07] We don't need to know about your coffee habbits [10:07] habits === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer [10:31] first ground frost of the year is due tonight [10:31] things are turning cold [10:33] ooh, new grizzly bear album [10:33] pinky-: yeah, despite us having basically no summer, i'm still sad when i leave work and see it's getting darker earlier and earlier [10:33] yup [10:44] Tum te tum [10:48] bigcalm_laptop: what are you Tum te Tuming at it sounds ominous and evil what ever it is [10:50] davmor2: it's boredom [10:51] christel: slap bigcalm_repeatedly a) to stop him working on holiday and b)just cause he deserves it, saying he is bored [10:52] christel: slap bigcalm_laptop repeatedly a) to stop him working on holiday and b)just cause he deserves it, saying he is bored [10:52] davmor2: she disappeared some time ago now [10:52] bigcalm_laptop: Yeah but she'll be back [10:55] http://www.l4d.com/blog/post.php?id=8913 <- middle of next month for the steam linux client! [10:56] And which games will be available for it? [10:58] l4d2 [11:03] Wishing I had left my windows server on at home. Just so that I can see a site rendered in IE as it would be natively. IE in wine just isn't good enough [11:35] AlanBell: are you alive? [11:37] Is the Slug and Lettuce the best choice for Saturday's happy hour? There have been mutterings from more than one person that there are better places for food and drink. [11:39] bigcalm_laptop: I am aliveish [11:39] bigcalm_laptop: we don't have to stay there, it is just a place to start from [11:40] but it has been widely advertised as the starting point so I am inclined to stay there to 9PM (the end of the defined hour) then move on [11:40] tickle anyone who mutters [11:40] Even though we've revised the arrival time to 7pm? === darren is now known as Guest69760 [11:45] bigcalm_laptop: I haven't updated that everywhere (mailing list/G+/Facebook/Twitter) etc [11:46] just people we know are coming are arriving at 7ish [11:48] AlanBell, will we be able to get some 12.10 cd's from you after release please ? [11:48] sure [11:49] cool, i have an SAE here all ready (well probably needs stamps) as I was going to get some more 12.04 but didn't in the end [11:50] AlanBell: fair enough [11:51] zleap: feel free to send it now and write 12.10 on it and I will hold it and post when I get them [11:51] ok [11:52] i will wait till i get paid at the end of the month then do it probbaly, when is it out something like 16th October ?> [11:52] czajkowski: presume loco CDs are happening again? or is it DVDs now? [11:52] not sure [11:52] waiting to hear [11:54] zleap: it is out on the 18th of october, CDs normally get distributed a week or two later, but there is no CD sized image this time [11:54] yeah i read about that dvd only or iso image for flash drives [11:54] dunno if they are just going to ship DVDs in the normal card wallets or something else, or nothing [11:55] as long as the package has dvd on it, they should be fine, that way people know its a dvd [11:56] http://www.zdnet.com/five-ways-to-skip-windows-8-7000001753/ [11:56] this could be good for Linux desktops [11:57] it used to be the case that people had CD drives that would not read DVDs but I doubt anyone has such a thing on a computer that has any hope of running Ubuntu [11:58] yeah [11:58] * zleap has neither [11:59] more to the point, there is a slight cost premium for burning DVDs so the loco distribution cost will go up a bit, but on the other hand we don't have kubuntu any more (didn't for 12.04 either) [11:59] thats ok [11:59] i am guessing there is a lot more on the dvd then [11:59] they could end up shipping USB keys even, which would be cool [11:59] no, it is an 800MB image [12:00] are they not more expensive usb keys, the one in the ubuntu shop seems expensive [12:00] cheap 1GB USB keys? [12:00] dunno what the bulk purchase price of a 1GB key is compared to DVD [12:00] * czajkowski has no disc drive [12:00] i can get 50 dvds for about 4.99 [12:00] and the cost of putting the data on USB vs pressing it to DVD [12:00] http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/bulk-1gb-usb-flash-drives.html [12:01] I'd say just sit and wait folks:) speculation won't get the 12.10 image t you any sooner :) [12:02] indeed [12:02] my computer group stars soon, 3rd october and runs initially for 4 weeks, so that works out great with regard to getting copies of 12.10 [12:03] * zleap will wait and see what happens [12:19] popey: getting there http://ubuntuone.com/1f3Nz8fc0rDBt8uyHy5d3R [12:34] Savaloy & Chips. A Perfect Lunchtime snack :-D [12:38] theopensourcerer, we're off to the dodgsons for tea tonight :D [12:38] Ah yes, Katie mentioned that the other day. [12:40] looking forward to it, got babysitter booked! (my mum) :D [12:41] handy. [12:41] In the not too distant future my eldest will be able to do that for us - saving 30-40 quid every time we want to go out. [12:42] He now has his own key and we leave him from time to time. [12:42] scary :) [12:42] 12 [12:42] * popey has 6 more years to wait for that [12:44] My youngest, Monty, and Tom Dodgson are good mates. he came for a sleepover last week for Monty's 8th Bday [12:46] 30 quid? :\ [12:46] yeah, few hours of babysitting clocks up [12:46] £6 / hr is a pretty good rate round here. [12:47] And it gets rounded [up] to the nearest integer [12:47] should be 10-20 imo [12:47] ;/ [12:47] for babysitting? (aka watching tv) [12:47] i don't think so [12:47] 4hrs, after midnight - nah... [12:48] ah, pubs don't open that late here [12:48] was thinking more 7 till 11 [12:48] Se we go out at 19:30 and get back at 00:30 - that's 5 hrs. [12:49] And not unusual. [12:49] I wonder if many give discount, if you have a games console [12:49] theopensourcerer: your raving days are over, it seems [12:50] mattt: Only when I am out with my wife ;-) [12:50] theopensourcerer: :P [12:50] Mostly we have separate social lives. [12:50] hamitron: i give discount if there's super fast broadband [12:50] Cheaper ;-) [12:50] mattt, exactly :D [13:08] daviey / Laney, whats the best way to track progress of packages through proposed, updates etc? is there a website or is it just "subscribe to release-changes list"? [13:09] This Farnham food festival any good? [13:18] I can't access the internet on my computer! I've tried turning wireless off, turning airplane mode on, restarting my computer and my wireless network several times, but it hasn't worked! [13:19] Can anyone help me? [13:19] airplane mode? [13:19] didnt know we had one of those [13:20] popey: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html ? [13:20] daviey, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= [13:20] unity and unity2d unapproved, who do I poke? [13:21] popey: ~ubuntu-sru [13:21] * popey checks [13:21] popey: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Publishing [13:21] ta [13:21] slangasek is away this week [13:22] ta [13:23] does anyone know how to fix my problem? [13:23] klpkt, are you using ubuntu? [13:23] theopensourcerer: are you joining us for beer tomorrow? :) [13:23] Not right now, now I'm using another computer with Windows [13:24] christel: Unlikely I think. My eldest son has several "mates" around for a birthday sleepover and I think my better half would rather I was in to help and keep order... [13:24] bigcalm_laptop: You have you laptop at a food festival man you need help and lots of it, christel slap bigcalm_laptop round some more will you please [13:25] klpkt, i mean the computer with the problem [13:25] davmor2: no, I'm on a sofa right now. Looking at things that are happening and the food festival is one of them [13:25] Yes [13:26] klpkt, we don't have an airplane mode which makes me think you're using something else [13:26] Android has one [13:26] Turns all radio devices off [13:26] popey: yes there is [13:26] I have Ubuntu 12.04, and in System Settings > Network, there is one to the top right. [13:27] popey: look under gnome control center → networking [13:27] there's a food festival?! [13:27] blimey, sorry [13:27]