[06:16] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:17] <mattt> morning AlanBell
[06:37] <christel> morning lovelies
[06:45] <czajkowski> popey: have you tried to shut down your 12.10 machine
[06:51] <popey> morning
[06:52] <popey> i just shut one down
[06:54] <czajkowski> popey: did it actually shut down
[06:54] <czajkowski> mine goes back to the login screen
[06:54] <czajkowski> so I've to hard shut it down
[06:54] <czajkowski> :/
[06:55] <popey> define "hard shut it down"?
[06:55] <czajkowski> power button
[06:55] <popey> there's a shutdown option in the login screen
[06:55] <czajkowski> hold it down
[06:55] <popey> erk
[06:55]  * czajkowski goes to file another bug :/
[06:55] <popey> I have seen this on my machine
[06:55] <czajkowski> not sure if against unity
[06:55] <popey> its nothing to do with unity
[07:00] <czajkowski> what do I file it against?
[07:01] <popey> not sure
[07:01] <popey> lightdm maybe
[07:03] <czajkowski> cheers
[07:10] <czajkowski> bug filed
[07:31] <AlanBell> I will be almost sad when the window decorations return to Quantal
[07:34] <czajkowski> lol
[07:34] <czajkowski> bugger nautilus has just crashed
[07:34] <czajkowski> no idea why
[07:34] <czajkowski> helpful
[07:47] <AlanBell> second breakfast later \o/ http://www.hobbitsecondbreakfast.com/
[07:47] <j0nr> morning folks
[07:49] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: no Dutch candy fest with christel and the other alans?
[07:49] <MartijnVdS> (not that christel is an alan, of course...)
[07:50] <AlanBell> not even an Alana
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> or Alanis
[07:55] <czajkowski> I only remembered last night when I'm at UDS it's not euro :/
[07:57] <MartijnVdS> Stubborn Danes.
[07:59] <lovejoy56> hello anyone
[08:00] <lovejoy56> just testing this chat 1st time here...anybody here ?
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> no, nobody is here
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> we're all just figments of your imagination ;)
[08:00] <lovejoy56> Lol tanx
[08:00] <lovejoy56> new to this
[08:01] <lovejoy56> so is this chat open to the whole internet, those who have it that is ?
[08:01] <pinky-> irc is very addictive - Beware!
[08:02] <lovejoy56> thanx pinky
[08:02] <lovejoy56> does it get very busy
[08:03] <AlanBell> pinky-: it is indeed, it sucks you in. Once I had a job, friends, family, a house a car, some chickens and then I discovered IRC
[08:03] <pinky-> :D
[08:03] <lovejoy56> Lol, really that good eh ! when are the busy times ?
[08:04] <MartijnVdS> depends really
[08:04] <AlanBell> it is always busy in #ubuntu, and busyish during UK awake times here
[08:04] <lovejoy56> so its world wide then or just uk ?
[08:04] <pinky-> lovejoy56, yes this channel is publicly logged, so becareful what you type
[08:04] <AlanBell> for fairly insomniac definitions of awake times
[08:05] <lovejoy56> pinky, what does publicly logged mean pls ?
[08:05] <AlanBell> !1984
[08:05] <AlanBell> I think the old logs are gone
[08:06] <lovejoy56> so what is "public logging ?
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> it means that everything on the channel is put on that web page for everyone to see
[08:06] <pinky-> lovejoy56, a bot in here posts to a website
[08:07] <christel> MartijnVdS: i sometimes ponder changing my name to alan
[08:07] <lovejoy56> ah right I see, tanx
[08:07] <christel> i'm thinking "Alan Fake" to go with four letter surname theme
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> christel: wouldn't that confuse people though
[08:07] <christel> i like confusing people!
[08:07] <christel> we shall have a candy fest soon!
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[08:08] <diplo> Free candy?
[08:08] <pinky-> lovejoy56, for example http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/09/09/%23ubuntu-uk.html
[08:08] <xnox> christel: surely Alan Flake is better
[08:08] <lovejoy56> do we know which website text is published on ?
[08:08] <MartijnVdS> xnox: that's not 4 letters long, like the other alans
[08:08] <AlanBell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[08:09] <christel> diplo: oh MartijnVdS sent us a KILO of dutch delights
[08:09] <AlanBell> or http://ubuntu-uk.org/todays-chatter/
[08:09] <diplo> !!!!!!!!
[08:09] <lovejoy56> ok tanx ppl
[08:10] <diplo> I've probably just bought a kilo of sweets for my sons bday next week for party bags :)
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> diplo: not pepernoten and kruidnoten probably ;)
[08:10]  * diplo has no idea what they are so no :)
[08:10] <christel> diplo: party bags \o/
[08:10] <christel> i am so having party bags at my next birthday party
[08:10] <christel> (i am so having a birthday party for my next birthday)
[08:10] <diplo> Taking a group of children Ten pin bowling :)
[08:11] <christel> :D
[08:14] <czajkowski> ricecrispy cakes!!
[08:15] <czajkowski> all parties must have them!
[08:17] <lovejoy56> does anyone know what happens to icons in the launch bar of linux when the bar is full pls ?
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> lovejoy56: on the left side you mean? You can scroll through them with the mouse wheel I think
[08:18] <lovejoy56> yes and ok tanx but i dont use a mouse with laptop
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> lovejoy56: the right side of a trackpad is also a "scroll area"
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> lovejoy56: or sometimes 2 fingers at the same time = scrolling
[08:19] <lovejoy56> sorry but whats a trackpad ? I only installed yesterday
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> lovejoy56: that's the "mouse" bit on a laptop -- the thing you move your finger on to move the pointer
[08:19] <popey> you can also use the keyboard
[08:20] <lovejoy56> thanks Martin lol I call it touch pad sorry
[08:20] <popey> ALT+F1, then use the up/down arrows to navigate the launchpad
[08:20] <popey> s/launchpad/launcher/
[08:20] <lovejoy56> oh really thats very useful thank you
[08:21] <popey> anyone here got an nvidia or ati machine running 12.04 with unity on multi-monitor?
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: I had one, but it crashed a lot, so now I have intel.
[08:21] <popey> nvm :)
[08:22] <lovejoy56> is this site only UK ?
[08:23] <AlanBell> lovejoy56: this channel is focussed on the UK but we have people here from all over the place
[08:23] <lovejoy56> ok tanx
[08:23] <AlanBell> there are many other channels for different places
[08:23] <lovejoy56> how are they accessed
[08:24] <pinky-> lovejoy56, to join for example #ubuntu type /join #ubuntu
[08:24] <AlanBell> you can find out more here: http://loco.ubuntu.com
[08:24] <lovejoy56> thanx
[08:25] <pinky-> lovejoy56, another good tip for irc is quick spelling peeps names by typing first letter or two of nick then hit the "tab-key" to auto complete
[08:25] <AlanBell> anyone else in London today?
[08:25] <lovejoy56> pinky-, thanx
[08:25] <pinky-> you can also keep hitting "tab-key" to cycle through names if alot start with same letters
[08:25] <lovejoy56> anyone in liverpool ?
[08:26] <lovejoy56> pinky-,  tanx again
[08:26] <pinky-> I'm across the land from you in Teesside
[08:26] <lovejoy56> pinky-, oh ok....is it cold there ? its freezing here
[08:27] <pinky-> hehe I've not even openeed the curtain yets.. I have no idea:)
[08:27] <lovejoy56> pinky-, lol does this chat give out your email addy ?
[08:28] <pinky-> no. but you can set a hide function with nickserv.. brb
[08:29] <lovejoy56> pinky-,  yeah i gotta go to....need to explore this linux system properly. bye for now
[08:29] <pinky-> ok I'll tll you later as I need to find it.. I'm new on this server too
[08:29] <pinky-> oops too late
[08:31] <pinky-> I need to tell him when returns /msg nickserv set hidemail on
[08:31] <pinky-> just found it again
[08:37] <JamesTait> Oh, happy Friday, everyone! :-D
[08:38] <pinky-> Friday has come around quickly again
[08:38] <pinky-> well it has to me
[08:39] <pinky-> I'm sat here today waiting for a home delivery from ASDA
[08:39] <pinky-> fun fun fun
[08:39] <JamesTait> pinky-: I was saying the same to one of the mums at school this morning.  Last week was a grueller, this week has flown by.
[08:39] <bigcalm_laptop> Hi kids :)
[08:39] <pinky-> lo bigcalm
[08:40] <popey> yo
[08:41] <dwatkins> This week has definitely flown past for me, partly because I've been working late most days.
[08:41]  * bigcalm_laptop looks at the world through bleary eyes
[08:41]  * dwatkins hands bigcalm_laptop a nice big mug of tea and a biscuit
[08:42] <bigcalm_laptop> Yay
[08:42] <pinky-> bigcalm, I always drink water before I sleep when I drink alcohol and helps me a lot with hangovers in morning
[08:43] <pinky-> otherwise I suffer
[08:45]  * bigcalm_laptop updates his nick highlight list
[08:46] <pinky-> lovejoy56, welcome back.. type /msg nickserv set hidemail on
[08:46] <pinky-> it will hide your mail addy on a /whois
[08:46]  * popey pokes davmor2 
[08:46] <popey> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[08:46] <popey>  shatter:i386 : Depends: shatter-bin:i386 but it is not installed
[08:46] <popey>  spacepiratesandzombies:i386 : Depends: spacepiratesandzombies-bin:i386 but it is not installed
[08:46] <lovejoy56> pinky-,  hi, i wondered what nickserv was tanx
[08:46] <pinky-> type /msg nickerv help
[08:46] <pinky-> for all commands
[08:47] <pinky-> nickserv*
[08:47] <pinky-> sorry for typo
[08:48] <lovejoy56> pinky-,  it wont work for me
[08:49] <pinky-> ? /msg nickserv help
[08:49] <pinky-> without the ??
[08:49] <lovejoy56> ? /msg nickserv help
[08:49] <pinky-> /msg nickserv help
[08:50] <lovejoy56> pinky-,  nah not workin for me
[08:50] <pinky-> :)
[08:50] <pinky-> oh
[08:51] <pinky-> umm I'm not in xchat and unsure of your settings, is there any notices in your server window?
[08:51] <bigcalm_laptop> For more than a week my laptop has said that there are no packages that need upgrading. I think it's lying, but how do I get it tow work?
[08:51] <Laney> which mirror?
[08:52] <bigcalm_laptop> Laney: esat.net - chosen by the choose the best mirror for me thingy
[08:53]  * bigcalm_laptop tries another one
[08:53] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[08:53] <Laney> that's a good link to check on mirrors
[08:53] <Laney> unknown for that one though :(
[08:54] <bigcalm_laptop> it's just chosen as29550.net, lets see if it helps
[08:55]  * bigcalm_laptop hogs all of christel's bandwidth
[08:56] <bigcalm_laptop> 82 updates, 151.9mb to download :D
[08:56] <bigcalm_laptop> Laney: ta
[08:57] <bigcalm_laptop> That's odd. The system has started asking me for my password to do updates. Maybe it's adding/removing as well as updating today
[08:58] <popey> it always asks for new packages
[08:58] <popey> probably new kernel
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> it needs to learn how to remove old/unused kernels
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> I had to remove ~20 old kernels the other day
[08:59] <popey> write a blueprint for UDS :)
[08:59] <popey> it should remove kernels where its not been booted to for more than a certain number of days
[08:59] <popey> and where we still have two known good kernels
[09:02] <czajkowski> one of todays irksome bugs -https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/1047431
[09:05] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:06] <christel> I HAVE A CAT
[09:06] <christel> i have never seen it before
[09:06] <christel> but it is in my garden
[09:07] <christel> this makes it mine, right?
[09:07] <pinky-> haha
[09:07] <bigcalm_laptop> Finders keepers
[09:07] <christel> :D
[09:07] <brobostigon> well, tht could argued christel
[09:07] <Laney> feed it, then it'll always come back
[09:07] <Laney> someone nicked one of our cats when I was a kid by doing that :(
[09:07] <Laney> they used to feed him, then when they moved they took him with them
[09:07] <brobostigon> :(
[09:08] <bigcalm_laptop> :(
[09:08] <pinky-> don't give cats milk as they are not lactose tolerant
[09:09] <pinky-> I have cats and all are house cats and never go out.. even if doors are wide open they stay in, my eldest is 15 years old.
[09:09] <bigcalm_laptop> Reboot time!
[09:11]  * popey wonders where his cats are
[09:12] <popey> one of the neighbours cats keeps coming in to get our cats food
[09:12] <brobostigon> gps tagging, and a camera, :)
[09:12] <popey> the neighbours dont feed it, and basically kick it out all the time
[09:12] <popey> so he comes round ours
[09:12] <popey> i have been in the lounge with both our cats and heard the cat flap go.. both of our cats look at me going "huh?"
[09:13] <bigcalm_laptop> :D
[09:13] <pinky-> I have a soft spot for them and keep getting more from Cats Protection
[09:13] <bigcalm_laptop> popey: your cats are lovely
[09:13] <popey> pinky-, you turning into an old cat lady like you see on telly?
[09:13] <pinky-> maybe I'm infected with gonzii toxic plasma??
[09:14] <pinky-> but yeah:)
[09:14] <popey> heh
[09:14]  * popey uses xmltv to download a list of programmes now showing in Hungary
[09:15] <pinky-> gondii*
[09:15] <bigcalm_laptop> popey: is your electricity bill quite high?
[09:15] <pinky-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis
[09:15] <popey> dunno really
[09:15] <bigcalm_laptop> Yay indifference
[09:15] <popey> wifey deals with that
[09:16] <Laney> I got my new DD amount today for the 'lectrics
[09:16] <Laney> £33, seems a lot for just me
[09:16] <popey> used compare the meerkat to switch to another provider
[09:16] <Laney> Martin Lewis is my god
[09:18] <popey> i hate that guy
[09:18] <popey> i dont know why, he just bugs me
[09:18] <directhex> moo
[09:18] <diplo> Laney: that's what my bill is ish, for me mainly and with the kids a few days a week
[09:18] <diplo> And similar for gas
[09:19] <Laney> I suppose I just phone up in a few months with readings and get it changed
[09:20] <diplo> I dropped mine by about £15/20 a month last year, so the ex was the cause of my electric bill :)
[09:22] <Laney> heh
[09:22] <Laney> I had to register to pay council tax for the first time too this week
[09:23] <Laney> :( being old is crap :(
[09:24] <bigcalm_laptop> Laney: welcome to life :)
[09:24] <Laney> I don't feel very welcome!
[09:26]  * bigcalm_laptop gives Laney a biscuit
[09:26] <Laney> yay
[09:26] <diplo> Got your 25% discount for living on your own Laney ?
[09:26] <Laney> yeah
[09:26] <pinky-> lovejoy56, I've sent you a private message, do you see another chat window?
[09:26] <Laney> the bill already knew everything, even the exact date I moved in
[09:27] <Laney> but I never told them any information...
[09:27] <diplo> Tin foil hat!
[09:27] <Laney> sus pish us
[09:28] <brobostigon> lol
[09:30] <pinky-> I posted him some freenode nickserv help webpages and told him about unaffiliated vhosts, not sure if he see it..
[09:30]  * mattt is happy it's friday
[09:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: I have this bash command in a script in ~/bin http://www.tolaris.com/2012/07/19/removing-old-kernels-from-ubuntu/
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: ooh, shiny.. thanks!
[09:41] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:41] <bigcalm_laptop> Hiya davmor2
[09:41] <bigcalm_laptop> Why am I working?
[09:42] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: Hey from down sowffff
[09:42] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: you're south of me today?
[09:42] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: because you have no idea how to have a holiday?
[09:43] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: correct
[09:43] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: I missed the "to you" D'oh I said it in my head you should just of read it in like what I did ;)
[09:44] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: oh no, that would mean that we were a couple if I am meant to know what you are saying
[09:44]  * bigcalm_laptop feels very disturbed
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_laptop: as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced?
[09:45] <bigcalm_laptop> MartijnVdS: I don't think that I am that one with the force sadly
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_laptop: several hundreds of voices, tops? :)
[09:46] <bigcalm_laptop> heh
[09:47] <bigcalm_laptop> MartijnVdS: there is something about your user means irc away proxy emails to me arrive blank
[09:47] <bigcalm_laptop> Please insert sensible grammar where sensible
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> parse error.
[09:48] <bigcalm_laptop> I agree, but it's not my script and I'm too lazy
[09:48] <bigcalm_laptop> Could be that it doesn't like the ipv6 host :)
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> mwuahaha :)
[09:50] <davmor2> popey: this is what I mean about the launcher http://ubuntuone.com/2xw4FPwmUBbc25GaAPdwYS
[09:50] <popey> lol
[09:50] <popey> thats hilarious
[09:51] <davmor2> popey: another 100 or so to go too and I've removed all the ones I'd installed the day before
[09:54] <czajkowski> davmor2: wow
[09:56] <davmor2> czajkowski: and you think you have issues pfffffff
[10:00] <bigcalm_laptop> christel has left the room yet her laptop is not locked. Oh if only I were a devious person
[10:01]  * bigcalm_laptop continues to do his own work
[10:01] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: you think that devious.........
[10:02] <bigcalm_laptop> Anybody here got a windows machine that they wouldn't mind me RDPing into to check some work on InternetExplorer?
[10:02] <davmor2> christel: How could you say that on a public channel, you should be ashamed of yourself :D
[10:05] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: I have one but it's 7 basic so I don't think it does rdp, and I'm not sure how I would enable it through the firewalls either
[10:06] <bigcalm_laptop> Ta anyway
[10:06] <bigcalm_laptop> I'm seeing if I can get IE installed on wine somehow
[10:06] <bigcalm_laptop> Play On Linux doesn't seem to be in the USC though
[10:06] <bigcalm_laptop> Odd
[10:06] <davmor2> bigcalm: there is IE4linux I think
[10:07] <bigcalm_laptop> Indeed, quite old though
[10:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> hmm, reboot time. Time for a constitutional and moar coffee then. bbl
[10:07] <bigcalm_laptop> TMI
[10:07] <bigcalm_laptop> We don't need to know about your coffee habbits
[10:07] <bigcalm_laptop> habits
[10:31] <pinky-> first ground frost of the year is due tonight
[10:31] <pinky-> things are turning cold
[10:33] <mattt> ooh, new grizzly bear album
[10:33] <mattt> pinky-: yeah, despite us having basically no summer, i'm still sad when i leave work and see it's getting darker earlier and earlier
[10:33] <pinky-> yup
[10:44] <bigcalm_laptop> Tum te tum
[10:48] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: what are you Tum te Tuming at it sounds ominous and evil what ever it is
[10:50] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: it's boredom
[10:51] <davmor2> christel: slap bigcalm_repeatedly a) to stop him working on holiday and b)just cause he deserves it, saying he is bored
[10:52] <davmor2> christel: slap bigcalm_laptop  repeatedly a) to stop him working on holiday and b)just cause he deserves it, saying he is bored
[10:52] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: she disappeared some time ago now
[10:52] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: Yeah but she'll be back
[10:55] <SuperMatt> http://www.l4d.com/blog/post.php?id=8913 <- middle of next month for the steam linux client!
[10:56] <bigcalm_laptop> And which games will be available for it?
[10:58] <SuperMatt> l4d2
[11:03] <bigcalm_laptop> Wishing I had left my windows server on at home. Just so that I can see a site rendered in IE as it would be natively. IE in wine just isn't good enough
[11:35] <bigcalm_laptop> AlanBell: are you alive?
[11:37] <bigcalm_laptop> Is the Slug and Lettuce the best choice for Saturday's happy hour? There have been mutterings from more than one person that there are better places for food and drink.
[11:39] <AlanBell> bigcalm_laptop: I am aliveish
[11:39] <AlanBell> bigcalm_laptop: we don't have to stay there, it is just a place to start from
[11:40] <AlanBell> but it has been widely advertised as the starting point so I am inclined to stay there to 9PM (the end of the defined hour) then move on
[11:40] <AlanBell> tickle anyone who mutters
[11:40] <bigcalm_laptop> Even though we've revised the arrival time to 7pm?
[11:45] <AlanBell> bigcalm_laptop: I haven't updated that everywhere (mailing list/G+/Facebook/Twitter) etc
[11:46] <AlanBell> just people we know are coming are arriving at 7ish
[11:48] <zleap> AlanBell, will we be able to get some 12.10 cd's from you after release please ?
[11:48] <AlanBell> sure
[11:49] <zleap> cool, i have an SAE here all ready (well probably needs stamps) as I was going to get some more 12.04 but didn't in the end
[11:50] <bigcalm_laptop> AlanBell: fair enough
[11:51] <AlanBell> zleap: feel free to send it now and write 12.10 on it and I will hold it and post when I get them
[11:51] <zleap> ok
[11:52] <zleap> i will wait till i get paid at the end of the month then do it probbaly,   when is it out something like 16th October ?>
[11:52] <AlanBell> czajkowski: presume loco CDs are happening again? or is it DVDs now?
[11:52] <czajkowski> not sure
[11:52] <czajkowski> waiting to hear
[11:54] <AlanBell> zleap: it is out on the 18th of october, CDs normally get distributed a week or two later, but there is no CD sized image this time
[11:54] <zleap> yeah i read about that dvd only or iso image for flash drives
[11:54] <AlanBell> dunno if they are just going to ship DVDs in the normal card wallets or something else, or nothing
[11:55] <zleap> as long as the package has dvd on it, they should be fine, that way people know its a dvd
[11:56] <zleap> http://www.zdnet.com/five-ways-to-skip-windows-8-7000001753/
[11:56] <zleap> this could be good for Linux desktops
[11:57] <AlanBell> it used to be the case that people had CD drives that would not read DVDs but I doubt anyone has such a thing on a computer that has any hope of running Ubuntu
[11:58] <zleap> yeah
[11:58]  * zleap has neither
[11:59] <AlanBell> more to the point, there is a slight cost premium for burning DVDs so the loco distribution cost will go up a bit, but on the other hand we don't have kubuntu any more (didn't for 12.04 either)
[11:59] <zleap> thats ok
[11:59] <zleap> i am guessing there is a lot more on the dvd then
[11:59] <AlanBell> they could end up shipping USB keys even, which would be cool
[11:59] <AlanBell> no, it is an 800MB image
[12:00] <zleap> are they not more expensive usb keys,  the one in the ubuntu shop seems expensive
[12:00] <popey> cheap 1GB USB keys?
[12:00] <AlanBell> dunno what the bulk purchase price of a 1GB key is compared to DVD
[12:00]  * czajkowski has no disc drive
[12:00] <zleap> i can get 50 dvds for about 4.99
[12:00] <AlanBell> and the cost of putting the data on USB vs pressing it to DVD
[12:00] <popey> http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/bulk-1gb-usb-flash-drives.html
[12:01] <czajkowski> I'd say just sit and wait folks:) speculation won't get the 12.10 image t you any sooner :)
[12:02] <AlanBell> indeed
[12:02] <zleap> my computer group stars soon, 3rd october and runs initially for 4 weeks,  so that works out great with regard to getting copies of 12.10
[12:03]  * zleap will wait and see what happens
[12:19] <davmor2> popey: getting there http://ubuntuone.com/1f3Nz8fc0rDBt8uyHy5d3R
[12:34] <theopensourcerer> Savaloy & Chips. A Perfect Lunchtime snack :-D
[12:38] <popey> theopensourcerer, we're off to the dodgsons for tea tonight :D
[12:38] <theopensourcerer> Ah yes, Katie mentioned that the other day.
[12:40] <popey> looking forward to it, got babysitter booked! (my mum) :D
[12:41] <theopensourcerer> handy.
[12:41] <theopensourcerer> In the not too distant future my eldest will be able to do that for us - saving 30-40 quid every time we want to go out.
[12:42] <theopensourcerer> He now has his own key and we leave him from time to time.
[12:42] <popey> scary :)
[12:42] <theopensourcerer> 12
[12:42]  * popey has 6 more years to wait for that
[12:44] <theopensourcerer> My youngest, Monty, and Tom Dodgson are good mates. he came for a sleepover last week for Monty's 8th Bday
[12:46] <hamitron> 30 quid? :\
[12:46] <popey> yeah, few hours of babysitting clocks up
[12:46] <theopensourcerer> £6 / hr is a pretty good rate round here.
[12:47] <theopensourcerer> And it gets rounded [up] to the nearest integer
[12:47] <hamitron> should be 10-20 imo
[12:47] <hamitron> ;/
[12:47] <mattt> for babysitting?  (aka watching tv)
[12:47] <mattt> i don't think so
[12:47] <theopensourcerer> 4hrs, after midnight - nah...
[12:48] <hamitron> ah, pubs don't open that late here
[12:48] <hamitron> was thinking more 7 till 11
[12:48] <theopensourcerer> Se we go out at 19:30 and get back at 00:30 - that's 5 hrs.
[12:49] <theopensourcerer> And not unusual.
[12:49] <hamitron> I wonder if many give discount, if you have a games console
[12:49] <mattt> theopensourcerer: your raving days are over, it seems
[12:50] <theopensourcerer> mattt: Only when I am out with my wife ;-)
[12:50] <mattt> theopensourcerer: :P
[12:50] <theopensourcerer> Mostly we have separate social lives.
[12:50] <mattt> hamitron: i give discount if there's super fast broadband
[12:50] <theopensourcerer> Cheaper ;-)
[12:50] <hamitron> mattt, exactly :D
[13:08] <popey> daviey / Laney, whats the best way to track progress of packages through proposed, updates etc? is there a website or is it just "subscribe to release-changes list"?
[13:09] <bigcalm_laptop> This Farnham food festival any good?
[13:18] <klpkt> I can't access the internet on my computer! I've tried turning wireless off, turning airplane mode on, restarting my computer and my wireless network several times, but it hasn't worked!
[13:19] <klpkt> Can anyone help me?
[13:19] <popey> airplane mode?
[13:19] <popey> didnt know we had one of those
[13:20] <Daviey> popey: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html ?
[13:20] <popey> daviey, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[13:20] <popey> unity and unity2d unapproved, who do I poke?
[13:21] <Daviey> popey: ~ubuntu-sru
[13:21]  * popey checks
[13:21] <Daviey> popey: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Publishing
[13:21] <popey> ta
[13:21] <Daviey> slangasek is away this week
[13:22] <popey> ta
[13:23] <klpkt> does anyone know how to fix my problem?
[13:23] <popey> klpkt, are you using ubuntu?
[13:23] <christel> theopensourcerer: are you joining us for beer tomorrow? :)
[13:23] <klpkt> Not right now, now I'm using another computer with Windows
[13:24] <theopensourcerer> christel: Unlikely I think. My eldest son has several "mates" around for a birthday sleepover and I think my better half would rather I was in to help and keep order...
[13:24] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: You have you laptop at a food festival man you need help and lots of it, christel slap bigcalm_laptop round some more will you please
[13:25] <popey> klpkt, i mean the computer with the problem
[13:25] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: no, I'm on a sofa right now. Looking at things that are happening and the food festival is one of them
[13:25] <klpkt> Yes
[13:26] <popey> klpkt, we don't have an airplane mode which makes me think you're using something else
[13:26] <bigcalm_laptop> Android has one
[13:26] <bigcalm_laptop> Turns all radio devices off
[13:26] <davmor2> popey: yes there is
[13:26] <klpkt> I have Ubuntu 12.04, and in System Settings > Network, there is one to the top right.
[13:27] <davmor2> popey: look under gnome control center → networking
[13:27] <christel> there's a food festival?!
[13:27] <popey> blimey, sorry
[13:27] <popey> I had never seen that
[13:27] <christel> theopensourcerer: aw shame! i miss you(!)
[13:27] <popey> klpkt, what type of machine is it?
[13:28] <klpkt> A Samsung something.
[13:28] <klpkt> I don't know how to check anything more than that...
[13:29] <davmor2> klpkt: open system settings → software sources  the last tab say additional drivers is anything listed there?
[13:30] <klpkt> no
[13:30] <klpkt> it says 'No proprietary drivers are in use on this system'
[13:32] <davmor2> klpkt: when you installed it did you connect it to the internet via wifi or a cable?
[13:32] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: does a wired connection work?
[13:32] <klpkt> davmor2: I connected via wifi
[13:33] <klpkt> bigcalm_laptop: I don't have one, so I can't try...
[13:33] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: davmor2 showed me this when I had a wifi problem recently: rfkill block wifi; rfkill unblock wifi
[13:33] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: you could try running that from the CLI
[13:33] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: beat me to the next line
[13:33] <bigcalm_laptop> Sorry :)
[13:34] <klpkt> It didn't work...
[13:34] <brobostigon> where in android 4.1, does android store the apk's of the apps you install from the market?
[13:35] <klpkt> I have noticed earlier that the animation for the searching stops, and restart at times; is this normal?
[13:36] <davmor2> klpkt: do you see any access points listed?
[13:37] <klpkt> Yes, I see the one that I want to connect to, I choose to connect to it, but it just can't connect.
[13:38] <davmor2> klpkt: did you install with the text base installer or the live cd?
[13:39] <klpkt> A copy of the live cd, that my friend gave me.
[13:40] <davmor2> klpkt: just to check what do you see  with cat /etc/network/interfaces
[13:42] <klpkt> If you mean what's inside the file, auto lo [\n] iface lo inet loopback
[13:42] <klpkt> Or, I don't see the [\n], it was just to indicate a line break.
[13:45] <davmor2> popey: any other ideas?
[13:48] <davmor2> popey: okay rubbish bin and desktop switcher are now off the launcher all together and the dash icon is almost horizontal :D
[13:49] <klpkt> I don't know if it's relevant, but I have multi-boot with Windows, and I can access the network with that...
[13:50] <popey> davmor2, screenshot!
[13:50] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: in ubuntu, can you tell it to forget the connection and start from fresh?
[13:50] <popey> klpkt, what does "lspci | grep -i net" say?
[13:51] <klpkt> bigcalm_laptop: I did, but it still doesn't work.
[13:52] <klpkt> popey: it lists Network controller: [...] and Ethernet controller: [...]
[13:52] <davmor2> popey: http://ubuntuone.com/7OMqeqTQiP8eLrBjHp6vmg
[13:53] <popey> klpkt, yeah, need more detail than that
[13:53] <davmor2> klpkt: use paste.ubuntu.com and put all the terminal info into that window using copy and paste and then paste the url for paste.ubuntu.com
[13:54]  * AlanBell points davmor2 at 14:20 < klpkt> I can't access the internet on my computer!
[13:54] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: tricky when he can't connect it to the internet
[13:55] <klpkt> I don't have web access... That's the whole problem...
[13:55] <davmor2> AlanBell: oh ah
[13:55] <davmor2> D'oh
[13:55] <AlanBell> anyhow, klpkt the bits in [...] are the interesting bits :)
[13:56] <klpkt> popey: Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6235 (rev 24); Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06)
[13:58] <popey> interesting
[14:00] <davmor2> klpkt: did you try bigcalm_laptop's suggestion of forgetting the network and try connecting again fresh?
[14:00] <klpkt> Yeah, it didn't work...
[14:00] <bigcalm_laptop> What did it do though?
[14:00] <popey> klpkt, can you "sudo apt-get install pastebinit"  and then "dmesg | pastebinit" and give us the url
[14:00] <bigcalm_laptop> Did it ask for a password?
[14:00] <bigcalm_laptop> popey: lack of internet connection would say he can't
[14:01] <davmor2> klpkt: did you disconnect or remove it completely?
[14:01] <klpkt> bigcalm_laptop:It forgot it, I reconnected it, typing in my password again, and then it was back to start.
[14:02] <bigcalm_laptop> Good, so it got as far as the password prompt
[14:02] <klpkt> davmor2: I chose forget in the system settings > network
[14:03] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: is there any chance that you've entered the password incorrectly? What happens when you put in a password you know is wrong?
[14:06] <klpkt> bigcalm_laptop: I've written the password a lot of times, so it is highly improbable that I entered it incorrectly, but it does just the same when I put in a wrong password, except it after a while comes with another password prompt.
[14:07] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: so we now know that it is actually talking to the router
[14:17] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: do you have admin access to the router?
[14:17] <AlanBell> klpkt: can you turn off security on the router temporarily, just to see if that helps
[14:17] <klpkt> bigcalm_laptop: I don't know
[14:17] <klpkt> AlanBell: I don't know how to do that
[14:17] <bigcalm_laptop> I see
[14:17] <AlanBell> I have heard of problems with cards that won't do all types of authentication
[14:18] <klpkt> I feel so stupid...
[14:18] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: no need to feel that :)
[14:18] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: do you know what the router make/model is?
[14:19] <AlanBell> so on the working computer in the browser go to http://192.168.1.1 or perhaps http://192.168.1.254 or perhaps something written on the back or bottom of the router
[14:19] <klpkt> bigcalm_laptop: I think it's ZyXEL P2812
[14:20] <AlanBell> http://www.default-password.info/zyxel/
[14:21] <klpkt> AlanBell: The adresses you gave me don't work, there is nothing written on the back of the router, and my router wasn't in your site.
[14:22] <klpkt> ,
[14:22] <AlanBell> ok, you are using windows right? can you get to a command prompt and type "route print"
[14:22] <AlanBell> somewhere in that it will tell you the IP address of your default gateway
[14:23] <klpkt> Okay, I have logged into the router, what now?
[14:23] <bigcalm_laptop> 10.0.0.138 is my guess
[14:24] <klpkt> That was correct.
[14:24] <bigcalm_laptop> :)
[14:24] <AlanBell> yay, now look for wireless settings, and somewhere there will be something like WEP/WPA/None
[14:24] <AlanBell> change it to none or off
[14:24] <AlanBell> might be called wireless security
[14:30] <klpkt> I think I might have lost connection
[14:30] <klpkt> Nope, I didn't...
[14:30] <bigcalm_laptop> Welcome back
[14:30] <klpkt> For some reason, I was disconnected for a little while
[14:30] <AlanBell> :) yeah, it will do that
[14:31] <AlanBell> ok, so is security off now and does Ubuntu connect to it?
[14:31] <klpkt> The Windows machine recognizes that it has no security, but Ubuntu thinks that it still has a security, and won't connect.
[14:32] <bigcalm_laptop> Tell ubuntu to forget the connection and start again
[14:33] <klpkt> The only network it finds is the one with security.
[14:34] <klpkt> Or did you mean restart of the computer?
[14:35] <bigcalm_laptop> No, just the wifi connection
[14:35] <klpkt> Okay, it only finds the old network with security code
[14:36] <bigcalm_laptop> But surely it shouldn't if you have disabled security in the router?
[14:38] <AlanBell> I would try a restart of the computer
[14:38] <AlanBell> kick the wifi card into really rescanning properly
[14:46] <klpkt> Why do I get disconnected all of a sudden?
[14:50] <pinky-> klpkt, maybe because you've joined irc via a webpage, it's much better to connect here with exchat in ubuntu or mirc in windows
[14:50] <klpkt> How do I get those?
[14:51] <brobostigon> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xchat
[14:51] <pinky-> exchat is already included in newer ubuntu and mirc is a free download from here http://www.mirc.com/get.html
[14:52] <brobostigon> pinky-: xchat, ?
[14:52] <pinky-> are xchat and exchat different?
[14:52] <brobostigon> the latter doesnt exist, as far as i know.
[14:52] <davmor2> pinky-: xchat isn't include by default in Ubuntu
[14:52] <brobostigon> !info exchat
[14:52] <brobostigon> !info xchat
[14:53] <pinky-> it's just when I see people quit here they mostly quit with an exchat quit message
[14:53] <davmor2> pinky-: the default install contains empathy which although it can do irc isn't recommended for any period of time
[14:53] <pinky-> ok I'll remember
[14:53] <popey> apt://xchat
[14:54] <popey> :)
[14:54] <davmor2> pinky-: yes that is a play on words ex parrot exchat
[14:54]  * brobostigon points out, exchat doesnt exist.
[14:54] <pinky-> ok understood now
[14:54] <pinky-> my bad
[14:58] <klpkt> Are anyone still here to help me?
[14:58] <pinky-> they've all gone looking for ex-chat
[14:58] <brobostigon> lol.
[14:59] <klpkt> For some reason I can't connect to the channel from mirc
[15:03] <pinky-> klpkt, first of all go through all the options and enter a nick, alt-nick and identd blah..
[15:03] <pinky-> klpkt, in options you goto Servers and click on Freenode then select a server from the list and click connect. Once you have joined you type /join #ubuntu-uk
[15:05] <klpkt> Yeah, but now the room seems empty.
[15:05] <pinky-> you are either on a wrong server, or a split server, or you have typed the channel name incorrect
[15:15] <pinky-> oh yeah just checked out my freash install of ubuntu 12.04 32bit and yup no xchat as default
[15:15] <pinky-> I shall always remember now
[15:16] <pinky-> I can't think what made me think it was there??
[15:16] <pinky-> I thought I saw it
[15:22] <pinky2> xchat:)
[15:22] <brobostigon> screen + irssi + bitlbee, :)
[15:26] <Krafty_> Hello
[15:26] <bigcalm_laptop> Dave2: are you alive?
[15:26] <Krafty_> Is anyone available to help with an issue I am having on ubuntu 12.04?
[15:27] <bigcalm_laptop> !ask | Krafty_
[15:27] <Dave2> bigcalm_laptop: NO
[15:27] <bigcalm_laptop> Dave2: good, you won't mind me talking at you in private message then
[15:28] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: Man that is a new low talking to dead people
[15:28] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: I find that they are less likely to answer back
[15:29] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: but where is the fun in that?
[15:29] <Krafty_> I am trying to use a logitech M570 mouse on ubuntu 12.04, whenever i restart the computer it does not recognize the mouse, then when switch usb ports, it SOMETIMES works but is extremely laggy and slow. The mouse works fine on another windows 7 computer, so i know the mouse is not the issue. this mouse used to work with ubuntu 12.04.
[15:29] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: I like a quiet life :)
[15:36] <Krafty_> No possible answers?
[15:46] <Krafty_> alright then, thank you for the time
[15:47] <czajkowski> Krafty_: have you  reported a bug about this ?
[15:47] <Krafty_> this is already a reported bug
[15:47] <Krafty_> but none of the fixes have worked so far
[15:48] <czajkowski> have you left that as a comment on the bug ?
[15:48] <Krafty_> I have not, I figured I would ask around first
[15:49] <Krafty_> Then post on the website if I got a fix that worked
[15:49] <AlanBell> is it a wireless mouse with flat batteries?
[15:49] <Krafty_> flat?
[15:50] <AlanBell> my mouse does strange things when the battery gets low
[15:50] <Krafty_> oh no, the batteries are brand new
[15:50] <AlanBell> in that case I am out of ideas :)
[15:50] <Krafty_> lol
[15:55] <theopensourcerer> exit
[15:55] <theopensourcerer> gah
[15:55] <AlanBell>  /kick theopensourcerer
[15:55] <theopensourcerer> ouch
[15:56] <theopensourcerer> Thanks AlanBell
[15:56] <AlanBell> :)
[15:56] <theopensourcerer> Been looking at Webservices code for the last hour...
[16:02] <theopensourcerer> time to leave... Have a nice weekend everyone.
[16:10] <klpkt> I (still) can't access the internet on my Ubuntu computer... Can anyone help?
[16:11] <brobostigon> klpkt: can you ping out?
[16:11] <klpkt> What is that?
[16:11] <brobostigon> klpkt: it is a network dignostic tool.
[16:11] <brobostigon> diagnostic*
[16:12] <klpkt> How do I do that?
[16:12] <brobostigon> klpkt: open a terminal window, type the following "ping google.com" and be ready with ctrl+c, otherwise it will just run forever.
[16:13] <klpkt> It says unknown host
[16:13] <bigcalm_laptop> brobostigon: klpkt cannot make a connection to their wifi router
[16:14] <brobostigon> klpkt: ok, thats expected from what bigcalm_laptop just said. ok, have you checked you wifi device is recognised, and it showing a device for it, in /dev. ?
[16:14] <klpkt> How do I check it?
[16:15] <brobostigon> klpkt: ok two commands for terminal again. do you see it in the output of lspci and lsusb.
[16:16] <bigcalm_laptop> brobostigon: the wifi access point is visible in klpkt's list, but connecting doesn't get past entering the password
[16:16] <brobostigon> bigcalm_laptop: wep or wpa?
[16:16] <bigcalm_laptop> That I don't know
[16:17] <brobostigon> quite importent,as in one, wpa_supplicant is used, in the other, nothing else but iwconfig needed.
[16:17] <klpkt_> The key is (I think) WPA-PSK2 or something.
[16:17] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: network manager should be able to detect the encryption type, but if the wifi router is not offering the information, you might have to manually set it in ubuntu
[16:18] <brobostigon> klpkt: have you also checked, as to if, your router limits the ip's it gives out, only to certain mac addr's. ?
[16:18] <klpkt_> How do I check that?
[16:19] <klpkt_> Also, why do you speak in terms I don't understand?
[16:19] <brobostigon> klpkt: it will be in the admin interface of your router, i coant tell you ,every one is different.
[16:19] <brobostigon> klpkt_: sorry, my apologies, i need to adapt my engineering terms, into something more commonly understood.
[16:20] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt_: we get people of all technical levels in here. Rather than sound patronising, it is best to start off at a higher level and adjust when needed :)
[16:20] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt_: please don't take it personally :)
[16:21] <klpkt_> Well, the router has a MAC address filter, but it's disabled.
[16:22] <brobostigon> ok, thats that ruled out. then.
[16:22] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt_: how many other wireless devices are using that router?
[16:23] <klpkt_> Well, there's this computer, three more, the Ubuntu computer, my Wii and Android, and I think that's it.
[16:24] <bigcalm_laptop> Aha, you have an android device!
[16:24] <bigcalm_laptop> If you set your android device as a wifi hot spot, can you connect the ubuntu machine to it?
[16:25] <bigcalm_laptop> We just want to make sure that the wifi chip in the machine works in ubuntu
[16:26] <klpkt> bigcalm_laptop: I think it said that it wouldn't be able to connect any wifi if it was a hotspot.
[16:26] <klpkt> but i'll try
[16:26] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: that does't matter :)
[16:27] <bigcalm_laptop> We just want to see your ubuntu machine connect to _anything_ with wifi. Doesn't matter if a 'net connection is available beyond that or not
[16:28] <klpkt> That wasn't me, that was a clone profile that was created because I apparently logged on before I was logged off...
[16:28] <bigcalm_laptop> :)
[16:29] <klpkt> Well, the same thing happens if I try and connect to the hotspot; the exact same thing, in fact, even to the point where it asks for password again.
[16:30] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: Looks to be an issue with the wifi device in your ubuntu machine. I would say that the next step would be to get a network cable and plug the machine directly into the wifi router.
[16:31] <klpkt> bigcalm_laptop: Again, how do I do that?
[16:31] <jabulmer12> Afternoon
[16:31] <brobostigon> it might be worth looking through syslog and dmesg, to see if there are any obvious things going wrong.
[16:32] <klpkt> What should I look for?
[16:33] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: just before you try to connect to wifi, put this into a terminal: sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog
[16:34] <bigcalm_laptop> Sorry I can't help any more right now. Time to go out.
[16:34] <bigcalm_laptop> klpkt: good luck!
[16:35] <brobostigon> klpkt: things related to our wifi device, wpa_supplicant or network-manager. or iwconfig or ifconfig, or dhcp.
[16:36] <klpkt> It seems like it gets connected, then gets an IP, but can't find a IPv6 router.
[16:37] <brobostigon> ah.
[16:37] <brobostigon> minute,
[16:37] <brobostigon> !ipv6
[16:37] <brobostigon> klpkt: ok, that fairly normal, but shouldnt stop it from working.
[16:38] <brobostigon> klpkt: have you checked your dns.?
[16:38] <klpkt> brobostigon: How do I do that?
[16:38] <klpkt> I should Ctrl+C that phrase so I don't have to type it in....
[16:38] <brobostigon> klpkt: open the network manager control panel, and see what dns server it is using.
[16:39] <klpkt> Where is that?
[16:40] <brobostigon> klpkt: do you see network managers applet, in your top right hand corner, near your clock?
[16:40] <klpkt> The one where I can open the Settings/Shut Down etc.?
[16:41] <brobostigon> klpkt: next to it, it will look like an earial.
[16:41] <brobostigon> klpkt: or a signal strength meter.
[16:41] <klpkt> Oh that, yeah, I see it.
[16:42] <brobostigon> klpkt: if you right click, you should have a settings option.
[16:43] <klpkt> brobostigon: Well, that is a problem, because for some reason I can't right click those icons...
[16:43] <brobostigon> klpkt: very weird.
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangar_One_(Mountain_View,_California)
[16:43] <brobostigon> klpkt: left click that applet insted, you should get the same result, it should popup.
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> wrong window :)|
[16:44] <brobostigon> :)
[16:44] <klpkt> brobostigon: Okay, there is no Settings...
[16:45] <brobostigon> klpkt: ok, go into your apps menu, and open systems settings,
[16:45] <klpkt> brobostigon: and then?
[16:46] <brobostigon> klpkt: there should be in that program, a netowkr config option.
[16:47] <klpkt> brobostigon: There is a Network, at least.
[16:47] <brobostigon> klpkt: ok, go into that option.
[16:48] <klpkt> brobostigon: It doesn't say anything about DNS.
[16:48] <brobostigon> klpkt: go into options.
[16:49] <klpkt> brobostigon: What then?
[16:49] <brobostigon> klpkt: what tabs, at the top of that window do you see?
[16:49] <brobostigon> that should have popped up.
[16:50] <klpkt> Wireless, IPv4 Settings, IPv6 Settings, Wireless Security.
[16:50] <brobostigon> klpkt: ok, if you go into ipv4.
[16:51] <klpkt> brobostigon: Now there is a locked and empty box that says DNS servers
[16:52] <brobostigon> klpkt: ok unlock it, it will ask for your password, then change those two dns entries to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
[16:52] <klpkt> Which Method option should I choose?
[16:53] <brobostigon> you will need to use the unlock, to be able to change those options, so unlock it first, then add those two dns entries, with what i said above.
[16:55] <klpkt> brobostigon: No, the box is locked because I have Method Automatic, and there are several other options for it.
[16:57] <brobostigon> klpkt: ok, try this, "gksudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf" than add "nameserver 8.8.8.8" and save it, then ping out, like we tried earlier.
[16:58] <klpkt> brobostigon: the file says not to edit by hand.
[16:58] <brobostigon> klpkt: ignore it,
[16:58] <klpkt> brobostigon: should I ignore it?
[16:59] <klpkt> brobostigon: It still says unknown host.
[17:00] <brobostigon> klpkt: i am out of ideas now.
[17:00] <klpkt> brobostigon: This problem is really bad; so far you're the fifth person or something who have tried to help me...
[17:01] <brobostigon> klpkt: wow.
[17:01] <brobostigon> klpkt: do you have a difefrent wifi adaptor, you can try?
[17:02] <klpkt> brobostigon: By giving myself a custom IPv4 address, it finally worked! After almost 4 hours of trying to make it work!
[17:02] <brobostigon> klpkt: weird. that means dhcp isnt working properly.
[17:02] <klpkt> brobostigon: But now, the DNS lookup fails.
[17:03] <brobostigon> klpkt: use the dns addr's, i mentioned above.
[17:04] <klpkt> brobostigon: Those are the ones that I use; 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, separated by commas as the prompt tells me to.
[17:04] <brobostigon> weird.
[17:06] <klpkt> brobostigon: So now I'm connected to the network, but I can't access the network.
[17:07] <brobostigon> klpkt: i really dont know, to be honest, i am out of ideas.
[17:09] <brobostigon> brb
[17:09] <davmor2> popey: is it wrong to have to scroll for 10 seconds or so from the bottom of the launcher to the actual bottom of the list :D
[17:09] <popey> yes
[17:09] <popey> you can go direct to it though cant you?
[17:10] <popey> klpkt, you may have more luck in our official support channel, #ubuntu
[17:10] <popey>  /join #ubuntu
[17:10] <popey> ^ type that
[17:12] <davmor2> popey: 190 of 229 and then over to the pdfs :D
[17:14] <davmor2> popey: infact with the bottom launcher that you can see, at the top of the page you still can't see the last launcher icon :D
[17:34] <Azelphur> !status
[17:34] <Azelphur> whoops, wrong window
[18:42] <SuperEngineer> Don't Panic! there's a moral in that... & this: http://superengr.wordpress.com/2012/09/21/dont-panic/
[18:43] <SuperEngineer> [& hi-di-hi folks]
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> \o SuperEngineer
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> Weekend -> SuperEngineer IRC quality time? ;)
[18:44] <SuperEngineer> yup ;)
[18:45] <SuperEngineer> [been away on "sanity break" & since then catching up on all stuff I need to do]
[18:45] <SuperEngineer> Dartmouth in sunshine = good for brain!
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> I'm going to try that in May.. ish
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> that general area anyway
[18:48] <SuperEngineer> nice - let me guess.... Teignmouth
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: land's end/Minack theatre
[18:48] <SuperEngineer> cool!
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: going to see this singer sing again: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL65507731C2EBA66A
[18:49]  * SuperEngineer never made it to land's end - no spaceship landing strip so not good for me
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: it does have the entrance to the underwater tunnel to the other side of the ocean though
[18:50] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:51] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: which of those listed would be best 1st listen?
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: It was Me
[18:53] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: you are Narina Pallot? nah!
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: I'm not Nerina, I just like her singing :)
[18:54] <SuperEngineer> :D
[19:01] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: she's quite impressive
[19:04] <hamitron> SuperEngineer, still talking about the singing or.....?
[19:04] <SuperEngineer> If I see 1 more site quoting "to repair or recover grub from a live cd, first open a terminal" I am gonna scream!#
[19:05] <hamitron> why?
[19:05] <hamitron> :/
[19:05] <SuperEngineer> the live cd doesn't wanna letme do that!
[19:05] <hamitron> choose a proper livecd
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> ctrl+alt+F1
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> there's your terminal :)
[19:06] <SuperEngineer> try one... open dash - wait for a complete refesh... no terminal
[19:06] <SuperEngineer> precisely! but all these sites are copying/pasting wrong info - grrrrrrrr
[19:07] <hamitron> so why won't it let you open a terminal?
[19:07] <hamitron> :/
[19:08]  * hamitron is confuselled
[19:08]  * SuperEngineer awaits hamitron to finish loading up live cd on a netbook to find out
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: alt+f2 gnome-terminal?
[19:09] <SuperEngineer> hamitron: the "recommended" method does not work
[19:10] <Darael> SuperEngineer: If thou needest access to the instructions for copy-pasting, I suggest screen (or tmux) and use of, eg, elinks.  Lets one do it all from a TTY.
[19:10] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: you know that, I know that - but pity the poor whatsits who rely soley on web-info
[19:10] <Monotoko> http://i.imgur.com/iExg7.png
[19:10] <Monotoko> :D
[19:12] <SuperEngineer> Monotoko: at last - a sensible read :D
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[19:14] <hamitron> :))
[19:15] <SuperEngineer> Darael: & I thought *I* was the only instellar travellar here.... whoops, I am - just checked landing records... you were born on this planet - fraud!
[19:15] <zleap> i thought 3 state was high, low and floating
[19:16] <hamitron> 1 0 and -1?
[19:19] <hamitron> although tri-state gates are 0, 1 and Z
[19:28]  * SuperEngineer cheated - let gparted do its work & then use boot-repair cd [1st use in anger & wow, job done]
[19:28]  * SuperEngineer recommends boot-repair
[19:29] <hamitron> I should upgrade to grub sometime
[20:15] <jason88usuk> ok so whats xchat about
[20:16] <zleap> jason88usuk, its a irc chat client
[20:17] <jason88usuk> irc?
[20:17] <zleap> internet relay chat
[20:17] <zleap> which you're on now
[20:17] <jason88usuk> Oh, this is all new to me. is everyone here logged in through linux?
[20:17] <zleap> i am
[20:18] <zleap> lubuntu 12.04
[20:18] <jason88usuk> so are the different rooms or just one
[20:18] <zleap> lots of different rooms
[20:18] <zleap> how did you get in here ?
[20:19] <zleap> i am gessing via webchat.freenode.net or some web based interface
[20:19] <jason88usuk> I went to the software centre and downloaded xchat and BAM im here
[20:19] <zleap> ah
[20:19] <zleap> ah ok
[20:19] <zleap> yeah i am guessing as the main support channels are here,  its set up to bring users here automatically for help etc
[20:19] <jason88usuk> only ever used web site chats so thought id give this a bash
[20:20] <jason88usuk> are you a helper then or just another one of us
[20:20] <zleap> well there are loads of channels on freenode
[20:20] <zleap> i am just a user
[20:20] <jason88usuk> how do you add channels
[20:20] <zleap> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[20:21] <zleap> usually you do /join #channel name
[20:22] <jason88usuk> found a quicker way.... right click ''freenode'' then go to channels... has lists :) so how come your on this channel
[20:22] <zleap> ubuntu-uk is the main ubuntu channel
[20:23] <zleap> i am on #lubuntu too as well as a few others
[20:24] <jason88usuk> is this place for normal chat or is it all about linux
[20:24] <zleap> well mainly ubuntu chat
[20:24] <zleap> there is #lubuntu-offtopic
[20:24] <zleap> depends really on the channel owners and how the feel about general chat,
[20:24] <jason88usuk> :( its hard to find a chat site nower days.....
[20:25] <brobostigon> here, we can be very general, beer and food and curry, and loads more, gets talked about.
[20:26] <zleap> just remember its a family channel so we can have minors here,   i think that is a general rule
[20:26] <brobostigon> within certain limits of course.
[20:26] <zleap> yeah
[20:26] <jason88usuk> oops seem to have broken the channels tab
[20:27] <jason88usuk> sorry about that
[20:27] <zleap> hmm,  well hang around here on a regular basis and you will be more confident with what goes on
[20:28] <brobostigon> yes.
[20:28]  * SuperEngineer congratulates jason88usuk on saying oops & not ehat SuperEngineer would have said ;)
[20:28] <brobostigon> lol
[20:28] <SuperEngineer> *what
[20:28] <brobostigon> **** **** , that ie.
[20:28] <zleap> lol
[20:29] <jason88usuk> lol ok has i walked in on something
[20:29] <SuperEngineer> well, **** ** actually ;)
[20:29] <brobostigon> lol
[20:30] <zleap> jason88usuk, naa, i think what he is saying is that he would have said something that would need censoring
[20:30] <jason88usuk> bad typo I ment have
[20:30] <brobostigon> hence the *
[20:30] <SuperEngineer> zleap:  jason88usuk exactly that
[20:30] <zleap> ah
[20:32] <zleap> where he go ?
[20:32] <SuperEngineer> e.g. you should have heard me this morning when some random bod caused me to nearly kill my netbook.... that *would* have been censored
[20:34] <zleap> lol
[20:34] <zleap> i hope we didn't scare jason88usuk off
[20:36] <SuperEngineer> perhaps he/she was a troll - if so, trolls are definitely changing for the better
[20:36] <Seeker`> o/
[20:37] <zleap> naa, sound like he was pretty genuine, just may have a few connection issues
[20:38]  * SuperEngineer thinks too late to cook - time for a good 'ol fish finger sandwich... with open sauce on it ;)
[20:38] <zleap> oh fish finger, i mis read that first time
[20:39] <zleap> gentoo sauce,  make it your self :D
[20:39] <SuperEngineer> shame on you zleap
[20:39] <zleap> lol
[20:39] <zleap> finger sandwich
[20:39] <zleap> lol
[20:53] <brobostigon> new QI, bbc2, 7mins.
[20:55] <SuperEngineer> thanks brobostigon
[20:55] <brobostigon> :)
[21:09] <ali1234> acos cli needs a password. password is in the executable string table. wtf
[21:45] <mattt> wewwwwt
[21:50] <SuperEngineer> see you later folks [was up early, eyelids now turning to lead], time for bed said Zebeddee [boing!]
[22:39] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well everyone.
[23:00] <ali1234> hmmm what's this? ubuntu is going to use grub2 on secure uefi systems after all?
[23:59] <r007> someone know about program like that, for linux http://static.commentcamarche.net/en.kioskea.net/faq/images/8Q2jkGo3yUKrAVte-s-.png