[01:17] <greg-g> snap-l: I'm an unhappy mint user. Yes, I know.
[01:18] <greg-g> thanks for that image, jcastro_ :)
[02:24] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, seems most folks use Mint or a spreadsheet
[02:24] <snap-l> and frankly, if I have to use a spreadsheet, I'm installing postgresql
[02:24] <snap-l> because I wannt replication. ;)
[03:33] <rick_h_> woot, new saws arrived, so shiny
[03:34] <rick_h_> I should and not go cut wood right?
[03:56] <Blazeix> wait a bit for everyone to fall asleep. they won't notice once they're asleep.
[03:58] <rick_h_> gotcha, good plan
[11:54] <brousch> Any of you slackjaws joing to 1DevDay Detroit?
[12:11] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm planning onit
[12:11] <snap-l> I even have a promo code if you want to save 20% off
[12:11] <snap-l> DECAFBAD
[12:11] <snap-l> Rick has one too: LOCOCAST
[12:12] <snap-l> but mine is easier to type
[12:40] <widox> also planning to go
[12:52] <brousch> heh, they sent promo codes for GR_WEB_DEV and GR_MOBILE_DEV too
[12:52] <snap-l> bah, you're no fun. ;)
[12:52] <brousch> How did you get your own personal code?
[12:53] <snap-l> MUG
[12:53] <snap-l> They just used decafbad as the code
[13:30] <snap-l> Ow. Cat managed to run into my foot right as I was walking by a table
[13:30] <snap-l> she forced me to stub my toe
[13:31] <snap-l> She's quite unhappy because JoDee washed the floor, and some cat just marked the entire kitchen (ammonia)
[13:31] <brousch> This must not be allowed to go unpunished. Bring the pain.
[13:44] <brousch> rick_h_: Plone?! WTF
[13:49] <snap-l> PC World: Smoking Crack since 1996
[13:52] <snap-l> I take whatever they say with the same consideration I'd take a person completely shitfaced telling me how the world really works.
[13:53] <snap-l> They might be completely correct, but the source is suspect.
[13:55] <rick_h_> brousch: well the guy I RT runs a PLONE/Pyramid shop in IN and contributes a lot to PyOhio
[13:55] <rick_h_> so backing the good guys
[13:56] <rick_h_> but yea, plone is wordpress on steriods
[13:56] <brousch> I'm not saying Plone is bad, I'm saying it's not something you "Try today"
[13:56] <brousch> It's certainly not "an app"
[13:56] <rick_h_> sure it is, if wordpress is an app so is plone
[13:56] <rick_h_> joomla, etc
[13:56] <brousch> Those are not apps
[13:57] <brousch> apps are little programs
[13:57] <brousch> You one-click install an app and dive into it's intuitive interface
[13:57] <rick_h_> app/program? Sorry, but I think you've been app-store-ized
[13:58] <rick_h_> brousch: like GIMP?
[13:58] <rick_h_> "one click install and dive in....help help I'm lost"
[13:59] <brousch> I have muggles using Gimp and wordPress. Now imagine telling them, "Hey, go try Plone!"
[13:59] <snap-l> brousch: I'm sure they'd love it
[13:59] <snap-l> Have them do Drupal next.
[13:59] <snap-l> It's not an app, it's a taxonomy with plugins
[14:00] <rick_h_> oh man, muggles, love it
[14:00] <brousch> Right, it's the same as telling them to go try Drupal
[14:01] <brousch> Hey you, on the Windows computer, go try Drupal! It's won an award!
[14:01] <rick_h_> I'm going to force you to write out the short app into application and let's have this discussion again
[14:01] <brousch> I still think of an application you run locally
[14:02] <rick_h_> 'It's certainly not "an application"'
[14:02] <brousch> If it's a web thing, it's a service
[14:02] <rick_h_> except bookie is a pyramid applicatino
[14:02] <rick_h_> :P
[14:02] <rick_h_> and I've heard you write django applications
[14:02] <rick_h_> and plone is a python application
[14:02] <brousch> That's the technical term for them
[14:03] <brousch> But ask a muggle what's an app or an application. They won't reply with a website
[14:03] <snap-l> brousch: I'd like data to back that assertion
[14:03] <snap-l> Facebook is an app in that parlance.
[14:04] <brousch> No, there are facebooks apps on your phone. They connect the Facebook the website
[14:05] <brousch> You don't install Facebook on your computer
[14:05] <rick_h_> what's your email app?
[14:05] <rick_h_> oh gmail?
[14:06] <brousch> The Gmail app on my phone is my email app
[14:07] <snap-l> brousch: You're splitting artificial semantics.
[14:07] <brousch> I use Gmail (the website) for my email
[14:07] <jjesse> is it the actual website or a web app that loads the website?
[14:08] <brousch> They are different things. Gmail is the web service running my email. The Gmail app is the little thing on my phone that connects to it
[14:08] <rick_h_> brousch: just admit defeat, a web based application counts as an app. App is generic, held hostage by the iFolks
[14:08] <snap-l> and the Firefox is the thing I use to get to that stuff (or the Chrome)
[14:09] <rick_h_> apps on app in app ...turtles
[14:09] <brousch> It is about scale and where they are installed
[14:10] <rick_h_> different apps for different strokes :P
[14:10] <snap-l> brousch: Thank you for playing Family Feud, but unfortunately Apps is not what you think they mean.
[14:10] <snap-l> Our SURVEY SAID.... X!
[14:11] <brousch> OK, I'm going to get some actual data
[14:11] <snap-l> Get ready for disappointment.
[14:12] <brousch> I will ask people "What is an app?" and then "What is an application?" and then "Do you think Facebook is an app? Do you think it's an application? IF no, then what is it?"
[14:12] <snap-l> And it's all in the wording
[14:12] <brousch> Suggest better wording
[14:13] <snap-l> No, we'll run with what you have
[14:14] <brousch> I will be asking the same people who say the Internet is down when they have forgotten to turn on their monitor
[14:15] <brousch> Half of these people don't even own a smartphone, so app should be interesting
[14:15] <jjesse> brousch, Facebook is the internet
[14:16] <jjesse> kinda like AOL is the internet or the blue Internet "icon I click on" is the internet
[14:18] <brousch> Damnit. Why is everyone busy when I want to waste their time with stupid questions?
[14:23] <snap-l> brousch: Because you're the IT guy, and nobody has time for you unless you take down the Internet
[14:24] <brousch> Good plan. Then they'll come to my office to waste my time and I can waste theirs right back
[14:49] <Blazeix> snap-l: what are the guidelines on using those 1devday codes?
[14:50] <Blazeix> like if i have a couple (~5) coworkers that want to go, can I have them use those codes?
[14:50] <brousch> Blazeix: I think so
[14:50] <brousch> I mean, they sent ours to a 500 person user group list
[14:51] <brousch> I think they're trying to track where you heard about 1devday via the signup codes
[14:52] <brousch> So if you heard about it from snap-l, then you and your friends use decafbad, then the organizers get an idea of where people are coming from and who is spreading the wrod
[14:53] <Blazeix> ok, thanks. I think i'll use the DECAFBAD code, though I'll wait for confirmation from snap-l :)
[15:00] <brousch> Oh, and just to beat a dead horse, a Django app (startapp) is supposed to be a small, self-contained piece of a Django project (startproject)
[15:00] <rick_h_> Blazeix: nooo use LOCOCAST :P
[15:01] <rick_h_> of DECAFBAD
[15:01] <brousch> Technically he should use the code from the person who first told him about 1devday
[15:01] <brousch> I think
[15:01] <brousch> Or maybe the person who convinced him to go
[15:02] <Blazeix> i think i heard about it more through snap-l than lococast, but I'll use whatever rick_h_ and snap-l tell me to :)
[15:04]  * brousch waits for video of the inevitable slap-fight
[15:06] <PainBank> use DILDOBLASTER_AKA_SNAPL
[15:11] <Blazeix> what a coincidence, that's in my email signature.
[15:11] <rick_h_> I need a Rick's Rage indicator. Kind of like a hulk-meter.
[15:11] <rick_h_> "RICK SMASH DEV'S HEAD"
[15:12] <PainBank> yes!
[15:12] <brousch> I'd use that app
[15:13] <rick_h_> I need to quit thinking logically "Hmm, if this JS worked anything near sane I'd expect to use it this way..."
[15:13] <rick_h_> "If I was a retard doing JS fresh out of grade school...how would this work? F'in Magic yay!"
[15:17] <widox> rick_h_: "but, but, this blog I read said it would work; so I just copied and pasted it"
[15:18] <rick_h_> it's like in one file with two different classes. In one case they have custom events that pass data as an extra arguments to the events but the other EXACT SAME CASE they don't.
[15:18] <rick_h_> written at one time by the same guy
[15:19] <widox> heh
[15:19] <rick_h_> and if the JS module is lp.app.information_type then why is the method called save_information_type
[15:19] <rick_h_> get_information_type_text_for_banner
[15:19] <rick_h_> confirm_information_type_change
[15:19] <rick_h_> GAH!!!!!
[15:20] <rick_h_> step one, write some code, step two go caremad, step 3 refactor...dammit where's the profit?
[15:26] <Blazeix> i just opened a new client's codebase. There's a "util" directory with 25 different "util" suffixed classes.
[15:26] <Blazeix> this is going to be awesome ~
[15:28] <rick_h_> woo!
[15:28] <rick_h_> Blazeix: and I will be rocking the caremad for the Friday
[15:28] <rick_h_> I just stashed my changes and started a new branch named "fix_fin_names"
[15:28] <rick_h_> I can't type that crap any more today
[15:37] <Blazeix> hm, never heard the term "caremad", but I like it
[15:38] <rick_h_> yea, I see it on twitter all the time and I like it https://twitter.com/#!/search/?q=caremad&src=typd
[15:38] <rick_h_> I care so much that this angers me
[15:42] <rick_h_> OMG OMG OMG http://www.androidcentral.com/jelly-bean-rolling-out-some-verizon-galaxy-nexus-units
[15:42] <rick_h_> friday gets better
[16:01] <rick_h_> https://plus.google.com/110797033768165620589/posts/JoB1QE7rnet *sigh*
[16:03] <brousch> Recommend the Ubuntu distro of emacs
[16:05] <rick_h_> "Linux...it just works"
[16:12] <PainBank> if I was working on a linux machine I would setup an hourly trigger to automatically do a git commit to my currently working repos.
[16:13] <rick_h_> https://github.com/bartman/git-wip
[16:24] <shakes808> Good day all.
[16:37] <PainBank> rick_h_ very nice, thanks!
[16:46] <rick_h_> PainBank: yea, I knew a guy that setup a io notify to run tests every time he saved a file and if the test passed it would auto commit
[16:47] <rick_h_> kind of cool idea if you're big TDD
[16:49] <snap-l> Blazeix: Feel free to use whatever code you wish
[16:50] <snap-l> I have no dog in this fight
[16:50] <snap-l> but I will personally disown you if you use brousch's or rick_h_'s code.
[16:50] <snap-l> just sayin'. ;)
[17:28] <brousch> ArtPrize is really ramping up http://www.fox17online.com/news/fox17-artprize-day-one-of-artprize-doesnt-end-without-controversy-20120919,0,1175749.story
[17:31] <rick_h_> most awesome thing of the day https://plus.google.com/u/0/116120911388966791792/posts/Rz63iTxbb71
[17:31] <rick_h_> dad's take some notes greg-g _stink_ brousch
[17:35] <brousch> I call fake. No one's favorite train is Stanley
[17:35] <rick_h_> brousch: man that was hard to read
[17:35] <rick_h_> s/through/threw and such
[17:35] <brousch> It's Fox, what do you expect?
[17:36] <rick_h_> english?
[17:36] <brousch> Hah!
[17:39] <brousch> I just started playing a game with my son. He got a Despicable Me minion from Universal Studios and it has a little magnet in it. I keep moving it around the house and sticking it to random things when George isn't looking
[17:39] <rick_h_> ok, so I'm allowed to poke fun at this guy right? http://www.nickwoodhams.com/post/31988005655
[17:44] <brousch> Wow
[17:44] <brousch> "The rep then encourages you to open your iPhone and shares in your excitement. "
[18:01] <greg-g> rick_h_: hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha *cough* *cough* ahah *cough* hahahhaahhaahahahahahahhahahaha
[18:02] <rick_h_> greg-g: quit, you're ruining my 'magical irc experience'
[18:03] <brousch> Every message should be like a shining gift from zombie Steve Jobs
[18:04] <rick_h_> clearly you all don't understand feeling the moment when you hand over $199 for a phone.
[18:04] <rick_h_> it's the most moving experience, right up there with childbirth. My Dr did just like he said. Shared in our excitement.
[18:04] <rick_h_> if some nurse had robbed me of that, I'd send the kid back and as for a do-over
[18:05] <brousch> Sue the nurse
[18:05] <brousch> Infringing on your right to pursue happiness
[18:05] <rick_h_> heck yea, psych damange if I ever saw it
[18:07] <_stink_> rick_h_: that's pretty awesome
[18:08] <rick_h_> _stink_: yea, I'm having dad envy
[18:18] <snap-l> OK, what's the approved way to do a query in sqlalchemy using filter with optional parameters?
[18:19] <snap-l> ie: query.filter(and_(foo.bar == 'required', foo.baz == 'optional'))
[18:19] <rick_h_> https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/develop/bookie/models/__init__.py#L144
[18:19] <snap-l> Yeah, I need something a little more nuanced
[18:20] <rick_h_> going to need more info to follow
[18:20] <rick_h_> snap-l: you home or in the office?
[18:20] <snap-l> I'm home
[18:20] <rick_h_> hangout?
[18:21] <snap-l> one sec.
[18:42] <snap-l> greg-g: WOw, this is definitely shaking one's fist in their parent's basement fodder: http://twitterindependence.com/
[18:43] <greg-g> it's just DUMB
[18:43] <greg-g> that fucking "fork and do a merge request to sign, oh, and chat about it on hacker news" is just fucking dumb dumb dumb
[18:44] <snap-l> IT's just a nice way to spam github with bullshit
[18:45] <greg-g> s/a nice way to spam github with// # there, fixed that for you
[18:47] <snap-l> heh
[18:47] <snap-l> Well, I wonder how soon before github pulls the project
[18:48] <snap-l> because it's essentially copying their manifesto across multiple users
[18:48] <rick_h_> I don't know it's that bad. I mean it's extra work, so if they get any real signature count it's real people that went through effort and tied to real user accounts
[18:48] <rick_h_> if I just setup a google doc with a form to submit your email address wtf does that list matter
[18:49] <snap-l> it could hurt github's searchability.
[18:49] <rick_h_> how so?
[18:49] <snap-l> multiple copies of the same foo on there
[18:49] <rick_h_> you've got 1000 results for pissed_twitter_dev repo?
[18:49] <rick_h_> there's always that. Go check out jquery
[18:49] <rick_h_> have fun, see you next year
[18:49] <snap-l> heh
[18:50] <rick_h_> the guy's a tool and just needs to stop using twitter though
[18:50] <snap-l> Franly, I hope someone makes a push request to put some malicious code in there
[18:50] <snap-l> rick_h_: ++
[18:53] <greg-g> rick_h_: you sound like a "what's wrong with a voting tax?" person :P
[18:53] <rick_h_> no, just a person that finds "my internet petition" to be about useless and pointless
[18:54] <rick_h_> I have no faith in humanity and honesty
[18:54] <rick_h_> I'd love to vote online from home, and I think it would be great for turnout. But I'm also very afraid of that fact. Driving to a poll means I want to vote/put forth some effort to do so.
[18:54] <rick_h_> hopefully put in some thought
[18:55] <rick_h_> and that says nothing about the potential for fraud
[18:55] <rick_h_> "I've got 5 email accounts, I love to sign up to petitions early and often with all 5"
[18:55] <rick_h_> kind of stuff
[18:55] <greg-g> you know there are legitimate reasons why people can't easily get to polling stations due to all kinds of reasons
[18:56] <rick_h_> and I totally know/buy/believe in that. Which is why I carefully phrased my nervousness :)
[18:56] <greg-g> do what oregon does and vote by mail
[18:56] <greg-g> heh
[18:56] <greg-g> :)
[18:57] <snap-l> There's no reason we can't do voting online
[18:58] <snap-l> mail people a pin number and instructions for voting
[18:58] <snap-l> if I can renew my driver's license online, I sure as shit should be able to vote online
[18:58] <snap-l> but that's another topic altogether
[18:58] <greg-g> if I can pay my federal student loans online...
[18:58] <snap-l> and yes, I think online petitions are worthless, which is why I sign every one that i believe in
[18:59] <rick_h_> people don't exactly have an incentive to break into the studen loan system and pay your laon for you :P
[18:59] <jjesse> its funny i feel more secure putting my vote in some locked box then going to some web page
[18:59] <greg-g> but they do have an incentive to break in and get my SSN and other info
[18:59] <jjesse> but maybe i'm weird
[18:59] <greg-g> jjesse: even though we know they aren't counted?
[18:59] <jjesse> yes
[19:00] <greg-g> but, we also know that those electronic voting machines don't count predictably either
[19:00] <jjesse> i know the current system is broken
[19:00] <greg-g> so, ef it
[19:00] <greg-g> ;)
[19:00] <jjesse> but i feel more comfortable w/ it in some weird way
[19:00] <jjesse> i also don't believe any code that controls a voting system will be written in an open way that we can peer review it
[19:01] <jjesse> i would be some corporation that develops it and is closed source
[19:01] <jjesse> so how can i trust it?
[19:02] <jjesse> and i just killed the channel
[19:02] <snap-l> heh
[19:06] <PainBank> If I can watch .... online or do ... online, then I should be able to vote....
[19:08] <greg-g> jjesse: I think that assumption is just now starting to be challenged. I think those in the federal govt are just starting to see the benefits of at least peer-reveiwable code (whether or not openly/freely licensed)
[19:08] <jjesse> greg-g,  i hope so
[19:08] <snap-l> I think the last few elections have proven that what's there for computer votiing is flawed.
[19:08] <greg-g> yeah, that was mostly a "I hope this is true" statement ;)
[19:08]  * greg-g nods
[19:09] <greg-g> heh, monkeyjuice?
[19:10] <PainBank> No CD players in cars... make sense?
[19:10] <snap-l> PainBank: Depends. I still play CDs in the car
[19:10] <snap-l> mostly because I'm impatient, and have to listen to them on the way home
[19:10] <snap-l> (from purchasing them)
[19:11] <PainBank> yup
[19:11] <PainBank> I agree.  Just wondering how long before they just will not be there.  extra hardware you don't need if you have BT to the phone, usb plug in or some other form of connecting media or phone.
[19:12] <Blazeix> yeah, i wouldn't bother getting a cd player
[19:13] <snap-l> I still think we're in the "OMG, where do my CDs go" phase of the car buying public
[19:13] <snap-l> but I wouldn't be surprised if in three years they're phased out
[19:14] <greg-g> snap-l: wait, you purchase CDs?
[19:14] <greg-g> ;)
[19:14] <snap-l> greg-g: Yep. Great used CD deals to be had out there
[19:14] <greg-g> if you can find a used CD store
[19:14] <greg-g> those were even dieing in Minneapolis
[19:15] <PainBank> yup
[19:15] <snap-l> THere's a few I haunt
[19:15] <snap-l> flipside, UHF
[19:15] <PainBank> flea markets!
[19:15] <snap-l> want to go to SOlo records
[19:15] <snap-l> THing is the ones that sell vinyl are fourishing
[19:15] <PainBank> solo... that's funny
[19:16] <greg-g> there's somethign about the wordpress composition tool that gives me writer's block
[19:16] <snap-l> Damn hipsters are keeping these places afloat
[19:16] <snap-l> it's the stark blank Word 5.1 look of it
[19:16] <PainBank> iphones are like CDs... what hell do I do with v1-4?
[19:16] <PainBank> haha
[19:16] <snap-l> iPhones are not CDs.
[19:17] <snap-l> Hell, even DVD AUdio / SACD / Bluray Audio haven't replaced CDs yet
[19:17] <snap-l> mp3 is the cassette tape of audio
[19:17] <brousch> I buy a CD if I can get it used from Amazon cheaper than paying for the MP3 download
[19:18] <snap-l> Give me flac files and a digital booklet, and I'm content to forego the physical
[19:18] <PainBank> well... 20 years from now....
[19:18] <snap-l> brousch: ++
[19:18] <snap-l> PainBank: 20 years from now I'll have all of the music I want. ;)
[19:18] <snap-l> cashing 401k in for CD store. ;)
[19:18] <PainBank> and then you'll be the damn hipster
[19:19] <snap-l> for when the hipster shits start appreciating the CDs instead of using them as bike coasters
[19:20] <PainBank> true
[20:59] <greg-g> rick_h_: wow, just watched that toy in space vidoe. That is awesome.
[20:59] <greg-g> rick_h_: definitely putting that one on my list for Rowan
[20:59] <greg-g> btw! Rowan said his first word today!
[20:59] <rick_h_> greg-g: woot! congrats
[20:59] <greg-g> Book
[20:59] <greg-g> Book was his first word, which is awesome/crazy
[21:00] <greg-g> he woke up, and repeated "book" until he crawled over to a new book of his
[21:00] <greg-g> he definitely knew what he was saying