[00:17] <jnadeau> hello
[00:20] <knome> hullo
[00:20] <jnadeau> i have a question 
[00:20] <knome> go ahead
[00:20] <jnadeau> i'm a blind user and I'm running xubuntu with orca 
[00:21] <jnadeau> i've managed to get xfce to be accessible with orca but have one problem 
[00:21] <jnadeau> firefox and thunderbird are very accessible under gnome and I can't get them accessible under xfce any ideas
[00:23] <knome> i have followed the discussion on the mailing list, and unfortunately i don't have any ideas
[00:23] <jnadeau> Yeah I can't figure it out and its driving me crazy
[00:23] <knome> have you tried asking #ubuntu-accessibility?
[00:24] <knome> i know that's not explicitly xubuntu, but they might have some ideas
[00:24] <jnadeau> i'm running xubuntu right now but if I log out and into gnome firefox and thunderbird are accessible but if I log back into xfce they become unaccessible again
[00:24] <knome> yes, i'm aware of that
[00:25] <jnadeau> Yeah I will try ubuntu accessibility thanks for your time and help.
[00:25] <jnadeau> Also xubuntu is looking really great 
[00:25] <jnadeau> i'm running 12.10 right now 
[00:26] <knome> hmm, no offense meant, but if you are bling, how can you see? :)
[00:26] <knome> heh, blind, not bling...
[00:26] <jnadeau> I don't understand what you are asking i'm sorry
[00:27] <knome> jnadeau, i link "looking great" with seeing
[00:27] <jnadeau> well I mean looking great from my point of view
[00:27] <knome> jnadeau, heh, yeah. thanks for the feedback :)
[00:27] <jnadeau> like the way it runs and its performance 
[00:28] <knome> it's actually good to know we have users with accessibility issues too
[00:28] <knome> and that we can actually deliver a usable experience
[00:28] <jnadeau> Yeah it's great outside of the whole firefox and thunderbird thing
[00:29] <knome> do you have any browser and/or mail app that you can use meanwhile?
[00:29] <jnadeau> not really thats why it is such a big problem 
[00:29] <jnadeau> no other browsers are accessible 
[00:30] <jnadeau> and evolution is full of accessibility bugs
[00:32] <micahg> hrm, we should have the accessibility stuff installed
[00:32] <knome> jnadeau, do you have the package 'at-spi' installed?
[00:32] <jnadeau> yes I do 
[00:33] <jnadeau> I also checked the accessibility box  in the xfce menu
[00:33] <jnadeau> and checked the box to start the extra gnome things to see if that would help but still nothing 
[00:34] <knome> jnadeau, can you try this:
[00:34] <jnadeau> sure
[00:34] <knome> jnadeau, create .gtkrc-2.0 file in your home dir, and add the following line:
[00:34] <knome> jnadeau, gtk-modules="gail:atk-bridge"
[00:35] <jnadeau> I did add this but I put it in my .bashrc file
[00:35] <jnadeau> so i should create this folder instead and put it there 
[00:35] <knome> file, and yes, you could try if it works
[00:36] <jnadeau> I also put this in my .profile to see if that would help and it didn't work either 
[00:37] <jnadeau> where should I create that folder 
[00:37] <knome> if you add that to .profile or .bashrc, i think the line should be "export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge"
[00:37] <knome> create the *file* .gtkrc-2.0 in your home folder
[00:37] <jnadeau> yes that is how I put it in 
[00:37] <knome> okay
[00:37] <knome> then i doubt this other fix will help, but you can always try
[00:38] <jnadeau> I will try anything 
[00:38] <jnadeau> hang on and I'll create that folder 
[00:44] <jnadeau> okay I created the file 
[00:44] <jnadeau> do I have to log out 
[00:44] <knome> at least it won't hurt if you do
[00:45] <jnadeau> just to make sure I did the right thing I opened leafpad and created the file .gtkrc-2.0 and put in that command
[00:45] <knome> yes
[00:45] <jnadeau> okay i'll be back thanks for all your help 
[00:45] <knome> np
[00:52] <jnadeau> no it didn't work 
[00:52] <jnadeau> but I think I might have found the problem possibly 
[00:53] <jnadeau> so thanks again for all your time and help.
[05:06] <pleia2> knome: first draft of doc post for xubuntu.org is up
[11:06] <knome> we fit on CD's :)
[11:08] <SkippersBoss> CONGRATS
[11:08] <SkippersBoss> so the 450k has been found
[11:09] <elfy> :)
[11:10] <knome> no... we lost it
[11:10] <knome> that's why we fit ;)
[11:11] <SkippersBoss> lol
[11:11] <SkippersBoss> Now you guys get some sleep
[11:11] <SkippersBoss> well deserved
[11:11]  * knome is afraid it'll find our new address though
[11:11]  * knome hides
[11:11] <knome> hah, i just woke up ;)
[11:11] <SkippersBoss> some1 is in a happy mood today
[11:11] <knome> well, a few hours ago...
[11:11] <knome> i'm just pretending
[11:12] <SkippersBoss> I know the feeling
[11:12] <knome> no reason to be grumpy and bath in the depression either so...
[11:13] <SkippersBoss> till the next deadline lol
[11:13] <knome> not too much to do for Q an more
[11:18] <elfy> as far as I can see from here - the only things not working in quantal are the indicators - but from what I can see that's a way off and the double partitions thing - no idea what's going on with that
[11:18] <elfy> I for one applaud those who've done what they have 
[11:25] <olbi> I saw yesterday on LiveCD that sound icon appear in indicator :D
[11:25] <olbi> and works good
[11:39] <elfy> working here too olbi - had to re-add the indicator thing 
[11:45] <olbi> :)
[15:59] <SkippersBoss> excuse my ignorance but what is Yelp ?
[16:01] <pleia2> help browser (rather than using firefox)
[16:03] <SkippersBoss> Ah your ladyship... : Hmm Yes we want to (in my opinion)
[16:04] <SkippersBoss> Help files/documentation needs to be accessable with a minimum of fuz in my opnion. 
[16:05] <pleia2> well, you'd still launch it in the same way, just by going to "Help" in the menu :)
[16:05] <SkippersBoss> ff has too many distracting bells nd whistles
[16:05] <pleia2> not sure if it's an lighter application
[16:05] <pleia2> yeah
[16:06] <SkippersBoss> Most people got FF loaded up with at least Adblock and maybe autopager
[16:07] <SkippersBoss> SO my personal preferance would be a simple browser
[16:07] <micahg> the problem is w/out yelp/gnome-user-docs, some of the applications won't have help
[16:08] <pleia2> so it probably makes sense for our stuff to use yelp, if we need it anyway
[16:08] <SkippersBoss> that's solves that issue then
[21:45] <micahg> \o/ looks like xfce 4.12 will have some gtk3 support
[21:45] <micahg> which is good as we'll probably have that + some pieces of 4.14 for 14.04
[21:46] <pleia2> :D
[22:17] <knome> micahg, yeah, i read the same; hoorahh!