[02:28] <phunyguy> I am having an issue with Empathy on 12.10, and Google Chat.  When setting it up under Online Accounts, I can log into google, and authorize Ubuntu to access the account, but it won't connect via Empathy afterwards.  I think it has to do with me having 2-factor authentication enabled in GMail, requiring each app to have its own password.  I don't have the option to set an app-specific password for Empathy... Any thoughts?
[03:01] <phunyguy> This place is dead tonight.... lol
[03:05] <jbicha> phunyguy: I added Google just fine, used my email & regular password then prompted for the 2-factor code
[03:06] <phunyguy> jbicha, I never got a prompt.  It just failed to connect.  I went into the keyring app and changed the password there to an app specific password and it connected right up.
[03:09] <phunyguy> removed and re-added, from scratch., same thing
[03:13] <rdf> Greetings!
[03:14] <rdf> I upgraded 12.04 to 12.10... now grub2 is b0rked.  I manually have to set the kernel and initrd by hand in order to boot.
[03:14] <rdf> I've gone and downloaded boot-repair 'cus I suck at grub, but don't know what else to do to ensure the config is correct.
[03:15] <rdf> typing the UUID is a PITA.
[03:15] <rdf> any suggestions?
[03:42] <jrib> RFleming: so what's the uuid you are entering when you boot?
[03:43] <RFleming> UUID of /
[03:44] <RFleming> same one listed in paste.ubuntu.com/1219789
[03:44] <phunyguy> Not sure if I did something wrong or not... but with a recent batch of updates, did the indicator applet icon change?
[03:44] <RFleming> dunno... just put quantal on tonight :)
[03:45] <RFleming> I just can't boot unless I give grub2 specific information :)
[03:45] <jrib> RFleming: are you saying that grub presents you with a uuid other than 72263c58-9901-4a09-bfa9-af04abbec8e0 ?
[03:45] <RFleming> No... I'm saying that grub dumps me in a grub> prompt
[03:46] <RFleming> when I type in boot, it tells me I need a kernel first.
[03:46] <RFleming> when I enter in linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.... and initrd.... I get into a busybox shell
[03:47] <RFleming> I have to manually type in search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set [MY_UUID]
[03:47] <RFleming> linux /boot/vmlinuz.... root=UUID=[MY_UUID]
[03:47] <RFleming> initrd /boot/initrd.img....
[03:47] <RFleming> boot
[03:48] <RFleming> ... and then I can boot into quantal.
[03:48] <jrib> RFleming: did it ever work?
[03:48] <RFleming> when dumped into grub2... root=hd0,msdos1
[03:48] <RFleming> worked in 12.04
[03:48] <jrib> RFleming: did it ever work in 12.10?
[03:49] <RFleming> nope
[03:49] <jrib> RFleming: when did you upgrade?
[03:49] <RFleming> finished the upgrade to 12.10 tonight and had to type in grub.
[03:49] <RFleming> I used the update-manager to upgrade.
[03:49] <RFleming> specifically 'update-manager -d'
[03:50] <jrib> RFleming: k.  I don't know.  Could be some open issue in quantal.  I haven't been keeping up with it
[03:51] <RFleming> wilee-nilee, says UEFI remnants in the script
 RFleming, I know but your bootscript dies show there are remnants, insmod efi_gop   insmod efi_uga
[03:52] <RFleming> s/dies/does
[03:57] <wilee-nilee> RFleming, I saw the pings, I never really followed the fix if what I see is your problem, as I am saying it is a guess, but the symptoms and the notation make me think that is the problem.  I believe there is a app to clean it, but I would want those that really know help. ;)
[03:59] <wilee-nilee> I skipped this part of grub fixing it was a rather rare occurrence on the UF and there are a handful of helper who are on there daily who know this stuff.
[04:00] <RFleming> ah well...
[04:00] <RFleming> I can google grub2 uefi and try and figure out how to kill it
[04:01] <RFleming> or just reinstall
[04:01] <RFleming> either way, it's late and my brain is fried
[04:01] <RFleming> not doing myself any favours now either way :)
[04:22] <phunyguy> Hmmm, yeah still having issues with Google Chat and Empathy... I am on the gmail website logged in, and I can see my online contacts, but only 2 or two show up in Empathy, and then disappear.
[07:50] <blazemore> [3~ is it worth installing fglrx on Quantal? I've only ever had problems in the past with vsync and multiple monitors
[08:00] <silverarrow> hi
[08:00] <silverarrow> I have messed up my update manager by leaving the quantal cd in the computer
[08:00] <silverarrow> is there a way to fix it?
[08:05] <silverarrow> so, it is mucked up forever now?
[08:05] <silverarrow> quantal should be here in a month or two
[08:50] <cebor> can somebody pls check, this link is working ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-amd64.iso
[08:50] <cebor> i cant download more than 30 mbs
[08:50] <cebor> then it stops
[08:54] <dupondje> §à
[08:55] <dupondje> 60MB, and still downloading
[08:55] <dupondje> works fine
[08:56] <cebor> hmm
[08:57] <cebor> i cant download it, tested it on several pcs in my network
[08:57] <cebor> i try to reset my modem
[08:57] <silverarrow> works fine here
[09:25] <blazemore> 10:02 -!- blaze [~blaze@unaffiliated/blaze] has joined #ubuntu+1
[09:25] <blazemore> I have a hilight for "blaze"
[09:26] <Guest8231> hey there. Using 12.10 how can I install wifi drvivers in 12.10
[09:26] <blazemore> Hello Guest8231. Could you explain more about the problem? Do you see a list of your wireless networks?
[09:27] <Guest8231> blazemore, its showing nothing
[09:27] <blazemore> Could you please paste the output from running rhe command "sudo lshw -C network" into http://paste.ubuntu.com and then put the resulting URL in this channel?
[09:28] <blazemore> Many wireless network devices can be turned on or off. Check to see if there is a hardware switch, some devices can be switched off from Windows and may need to be turned back on from Windows.
[09:30] <Guest8231> blazemore, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1220175/
[09:31] <Guest8231> An its working fine in 12.04
[09:31] <Guest8231> Not using windows
[09:31] <blazemore> And you're sure wifi is enabled in Network Manager?
[09:32] <Guest8231> wireless connection is not showing at all
[09:32] <blazemore> Can you get a network connection on the computer using some other method? It'll make it much easier
[09:32] <blazemore> If so, do sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source
[09:33] <blazemore> Under the desktop menu System > Administration > Hardware/Additional Drivers, the STA drivers can be activated for use.
[09:34] <Guest8231> blazemore, there is nothing like that in 12.10
[09:36] <Guest8231> I remember activating / install additional drivers and it used to work.
[09:36] <Guest8231> From 10.04
[09:36] <Guest8231> to 12.04
[09:41] <blazemore> Sorry then Guest8231 I don't really know
[10:05] <md_5> installed more updates today and show the desktop went away
[10:05] <md_5> and myunity doesnt work yet
[10:05] <md_5> any way to get show desktop back?
[10:33] <md_5> I want my show desktop :(
[12:08] <phoenix_firebrd> I am having problem with nvidia proprietary driver, the driver is not getting loaded
[12:18] <blazemore> Does the version of x.org in Quantal actually support it yet?
[12:18] <yofel> works fine here
[12:19] <phoenix_firebrd> the driver?
[12:23] <yofel>  [    16.185] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module  304.43  Sun Aug 19 20:34:01 PDT 2012
[12:23] <phoenix_firebrd> same here
[12:23] <phoenix_firebrd> 9400 gt
[12:25] <yofel> quadro nvs 3100m
[12:25] <yofel> sorry, need to go, bbl
[12:25] <phoenix_firebrd> see you later
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:48] <izepax> Anyone more than me having problem to open terminal whit ctrl+alt+T on dev-build?
[15:49] <izepax> I'm used to have like one bug a day that will be gone the day after. But i have had this bug for a few days now.
[15:51] <AlanBell> anyone got window decoration at the moment? borders, title bar, shadow?
[15:52] <penguin42> AlanBell: Sounds like your window manager has decided to die
[15:52] <AlanBell> penguin42: I can resize windows and move them with alt
[15:52] <penguin42> oh curious
[15:55] <AlanBell> I ended up with unity from -proposed which was a bit broken, I have removed proposed and I was kind of hoping for unbreakage to happen
[15:56] <AlanBell> it is mildly annoying, but not unusable
[16:59] <graingert> anyone else with this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bug/1053406 ?
[17:05] <trism> graingert: it shows up here, you might try install gnome-panel and logging into the gnome classic (no effects) session, see if it shows up there, if not, then indicator-applet helpfully logs to ~/.cache/indicator-applet-complete.log
[17:05] <trism> graingert: so you can see if indicator-messages is having any issues
[17:05] <recon_tv> graingert: are you sure that you are not just seeing a issue that just exists in that demo page?
[17:06] <graingert> recon_tv: demo pagE?
[17:06] <recon_tv> opps, lost in irc
[17:06] <recon_tv> sry, msh was for someone else
[17:14] <ironhalik> Whats with the amazon stuff in 12.10?
[17:16] <trism> ironhalik: unity-lens-shopping just added the other day
[17:18] <ironhalik> bold move by canonical
[17:18] <penguin42> haha it's pretty bad as well; I just searched for adobe flash for the plugin install and it just gave me a load of stupidly priced books on it
[17:19] <ironhalik> huh, its funny like 3/4 of slashdot always whines about unity
[17:24] <wilee-nilee> Hello quantal users, so when I am at the login gui I cannot choose from my unity or installed gnome 3 they show in the dropdown, but do not allow a choice.
[17:25] <wilee-nilee> unity will boot in this is a fresh install from about two days ago.
[17:30] <wilee-nilee> In other words I can't choose the gnome 3 login, the click on gnome 3 or any other choice is not shown the dropdown stays.
[17:42] <trism> wilee-nilee: bug 1052453 though I will note you can select the other options with tab
[17:43] <Daekdroom> Odd. It's working ok for me.
[17:43] <Daekdroom> Unless it broke too recently.
[17:43] <trism> Daekdroom: you can select some, bug for some reason GNOME and Gnome Classic aren't clickable (I can click Gnome Classic (no effects) and Ubuntu and the rest though)
[17:43] <trism> bug = but
[17:45] <wilee-nilee> trism, thanks. :)
[17:46] <trism> it's also kind of weird, if I tab select GNOME, I can click Gnome Classic, but once I move down to Ubuntu I can't click the top two anymore (it's being looked at though so I'm sure it'll be fixed soon)
[17:49] <wilee-nilee> I have a clone of before this was happening, hehe I though a fresh install would fix it, DOH.
[17:51] <rawburt> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/09/22/1319216/ubuntu-will-now-have-amazon-ads-pre-installed
[17:51] <rawburt> egregious!
[17:51] <IdleOne> rawburt: it appears to be true
[17:51] <bazhang> rawburt, remove a single package
[17:51] <rawburt> bazhang: I'd rather not add the package in the first place
[17:51] <bazhang> rawburt, complaining here wont do anything
[17:52] <rawburt> bazhang: how often does chatting in general do anything?
[17:52] <IdleOne> ha, good point
[17:53] <bazhang> still not the place for it rawburt
[17:53] <rawburt> bazhang: get over yourself
[17:53] <IdleOne> lets all relax
[17:53] <bazhang> rawburt, lets move on
[17:54] <IdleOne> no need to get into an argument over this, although I suspect we all agree that ads are gonna suck
[17:55] <jbicha> IdleOne: it's not exactly ads
[17:55] <IdleOne> jbicha: what is it then. I just heard about this 5 minutes ago literally
[17:55] <penguin42> IdleOne: It's that the dock search searchs amazon
[17:55] <jbicha> any more than using Google search in Firefox is ads, these are just search results that Google or Amazon pays Canonical a commission as part of profit-sharing
[17:56] <IdleOne> oh.
[17:56] <IdleOne> well that isn't so bad I guess.
[17:56] <penguin42> jbicha: I'm worried this is part of the standard desktop search, if I'm searching for a document on my local desktop doesn't this mean my search terms will be transmitted?
[17:56] <trism> I don't think it would be an issue if there was a separate shopping tab, I think it kind of bugs people because it is glued on the to the main search page
[17:56] <rawburt> Amazon will get our datas!
[17:57] <bazhang> ...
[17:57] <trism> but easy enough to remove
[17:57] <IdleOne> trism: how would one remove this new "feature"
[17:57] <trism> IdleOne: sudo apt-get purge unity-lens-shopping
[17:58] <jbicha> penguin42: I think if you switch to the Files lens, there aren't any Amazon results
[17:58] <IdleOne> Thank you. Will remember that for when the !factoid is going to be needed
[17:58] <penguin42> jbicha: But the main one will?
[18:00] <penguin42> on the plus side, this week llvmpipe has survived for more than 10 minutes in a kvm guest, still painfully slow
[18:00] <Daekdroom> I wish those lenses/scopes could be disabled/enabled by some way that is not removing the packages.
[18:00]  * penguin42 doesn't see an 'amazon' package to remove
[18:00] <rawburt> http://cloudfront.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/unity-shopping-results.jpg
[18:01] <rawburt> 12:57 < trism> IdleOne: sudo apt-get purge unity-lens-shopping
[18:01] <rawburt> penguin42: ^
[18:02] <Daekdroom> rawburt, that image shows how out-of-context the results can be.
[18:02] <rawburt> indeed
[18:03] <trism> seems to be better since the other day though, previously you could get https://launchpadlibrarian.net/116749085/Screenshot%20from%202012-09-20%2014%3A42%3A50.png bug 1053678
[19:34] <DrHalan> hrmpf.. will ubuntu really ship with amazon ads?
[19:36] <IdleOne> apparently
[19:36] <DarthFrog> That's a retrograde step.
[19:37] <IdleOne> it is more like amazon search results
[19:37] <IdleOne> not really ads. not like while you're chatting all of a sudden you will get an amazon popup
[19:38] <rawburt> http://cloudfront.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/unity-shopping-results.jpg
[19:39] <penguin42> is it possible to disable - I can imagine that might be disallowed in companies etc
[19:39] <IdleOne> purge unity-lens-shopping
[19:40] <penguin42> ah, I'd searched for amazon
[19:40] <DarthFrog> Oh, it's just in Unity.  <phew>  Likely won't pollute Kubuntu.
[19:44] <DrHalan> well its an ad in the sense that less relevant search results are shown
[19:45] <DrHalan> the amazon results don't have any relation to my search query anyways.. so its even a very useless ad
[19:48] <omac> Hi everybody.  I upgraded to Quantal Quetzal last weekend.  Downloading and installing packages took the better part of one night.  After rebooting in recovery mode, I was able to get some kind of gui back up, but the gui is not using the AMD CATALYST drivers i had installed before.  I had to resort to using gnome-panel/unity-2d  as somebody suggested here last week.  Thank you for that.  Anybody have any suggestions for getting RADEON 7970 graph
[19:48] <omac> ics card back up.  AWESOME job.  hats off.
[19:55] <omac> is this the right place to talk about ubuntu arm stuff.  I tried the linuxonandroid with a 12.04fullimage.  shell runs, openssh runs, but unity seems to be too slow to boot up and display on the Advent Vega.  The gui shows up about 10 -20 minutes later and the unity colors are off.  Is there a better place to discuss this?
[19:56] <penguin42> omac: There is a #ubuntu-arm
[19:56] <omac> thx penguin42
[19:57] <penguin42> omac: I'd make sure you're running Unity2d on there
[20:01] <DrHalan> omac: fglrx (catalyst) doesn't work yet on quantal...
[20:02] <penguin42> leaving it a bit late this time aren't they?
[20:11] <AaronCampbell> How do you enable 3rd party drivers in 12.10?
[20:13] <IdleOne> Through the Additional Drivers application, you can also do ALT-F2 and type gksudo jockey-gtk
[20:13] <jbicha> AaronCampbell: Software Sources
[20:14] <AaronCampbell> jbicha: it says there are none, but in 12.04 there were some for my video card
[20:15] <AaronCampbell> A Radeon HD 6870
[20:15] <jbicha> I don't know, maybe file a bug against ubuntu-drivers-common?
[20:19] <yofel> does the ati driver in quantal actually support that card?
[20:22] <omac> thx DrHalan
[20:23] <AaronCampbell> yofel: maybe, it seems to work mostly, but it has my monitors in the wrong order and I can't seem to drag them into the right order.  I have to restart real quick, but I'll keep looking into it
[20:24] <omac> bug: when I minimize the terminal, it doesn't come back in quantal queztal.
[20:25] <omac> I have to keep it open or else I lose it for good.  The odd part is that it shows it being alive in the left tray bar.
[20:26] <omac> AaronCampbell:  I think you're in the same boat as me.  I have a 7970 card.
[21:06] <AaronCampbell> Ok, I got all my monitors working and in the right place, but ever since switching from 4 mirrored displays to 4 separate desktops, everything is super laggy.  Could this be the new driver?  Should I try the proprietary one?
[21:08] <AaronCampbell> I'm on an AMD ATI Radeon 6870
[21:28] <TJ-> AaronCampbell: Depends on the GPU/driver scenario, but sometimes with multiple monitors 3D acceleration is turned off for all by the primary
[22:03] <bjsnider> jbicha, don't you wish they'd take some of the whitespace out of the cantarell font?
[22:06] <jbicha> bjsnider: I wish GNOME Shell didn't hard code Cantarell into the theme
[22:21] <phunyguy> Help! I keep losing sound almost immediately after a reboot.  I will get the drums at the login screen, and start to play a song, then the sound cuts out, and doesn't work until a reboot again.
[22:22] <DrHalan> phunyguy: did you try restarting pulseaudio (just a guess)
[22:22] <phunyguy> yes, and no-go
[22:22] <phunyguy> no initial audio even
[22:22] <phunyguy> I don't even get the pop noises when hitting the volume buttons on my laptop like I would normally get
[22:23] <phunyguy> it just dies out completely.
[22:23] <phunyguy> Lenovo T430s
[22:40] <penguin42> phunyguy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems   you might try working through that?
[22:42] <phunyguy> ok
[22:46] <phunyguy> bug filed using ubuntu-bug audio
[22:51] <penguin42> bug number ?
[22:51] <phunyguy> I hope I did it right, 1054778
[22:52] <penguin42> bug 1054778
[23:11] <penguin42> phunyguy: Is it only the internal speaker; I mean if you try headphones does that work?
[23:12] <bjsnider> so now there are over a million launchpad bugs
[23:26] <penguin42> not all open
[23:35] <bjsnider> yes i understand that
[23:44] <penguin42> although there is a scary number entirely untriaged
[23:46] <jtaylor> probably 50% are private crash bugs no one is ever going to look at
[23:48] <penguin42> nod
[23:49] <penguin42> I've been trying to triage some older ones; there are still some 8.04 ones that are still triggerable on Quantal