[20:36] <elfy> hi coffeecat
[20:38] <Iowan> We seem to be arriving...
[20:38] <elfy> yep
[20:39] <cariboo907> I'm here
[20:40] <Iowan> old coffee>out, fresh coffee<in
[20:40] <cariboo907> I just made a fresh pot )
[20:41] <cariboo907> :)
[20:42] <elfy> pot of tea ...
[20:42] <jbicha> people have meeting on Saturdays?
[20:42] <noskcaj> what for?
[20:43] <elfy> jbicha: they do if it's the only time they can get enough together at the same time ;)
[20:44] <lifeless> saturday?
[20:44] <jbicha> what's the meeting?
[20:44] <elfy> forum council
[20:44] <cariboo907> Forum Council
[20:44] <cariboo907> elfy, beat to it again :)
[20:44] <cariboo907> beat me :)
[20:45] <bkerensa> =o
[20:45] <bkerensa> Forummmmmmmmmmmmms
[20:47] <elfy> hi bkerensa
[20:48] <bkerensa> hello
[20:49] <elfy> how's things
[20:51] <Iowan> Boss is here...
[20:51] <elfy> hi s-fox
[20:51] <s-fox> foxy is here
[20:51] <Iowan> her, too... ;)
[20:59] <s-fox> 1 minute to go
[20:59] <s-fox> ping elfy Iowan cariboo907 coffeecat
[20:59] <Iowan> o/
[20:59] <elfy> o/
[20:59] <coffeecat> o/
[21:00] <cariboo907> o/
[21:00] <s-fox> splendid
[21:00] <s-fox> then let us begin
[21:00] <s-fox> #startmeeting
[21:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Sat Sep 22 21:00:15 2012 UTC.  The chair is s-fox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[21:00] <s-fox> #voters elfy coffeecat Iowan cariboo907 s-fox
[21:00] <meetingology> Current voters: Iowan cariboo907 coffeecat elfy s-fox
[21:00] <Iowan> New command?
[21:00] <s-fox> #topic  ubuntuforums fc meeting
[21:01]  * Iowan likes
[21:01] <s-fox> #idea Wubi forums vs. Prefix ?
[21:01] <s-fox> odd
[21:01] <s-fox> #idea wubi prefix vs forums
[21:02] <s-fox> okay, that is weird
[21:02] <s-fox> lol
[21:02] <s-fox> anyone know why that isn't working ?
[21:02] <Iowan> topic?
[21:02] <elfy> no idea
[21:03] <s-fox> #subtopic wubi prefix vs forums ?
[21:03] <cariboo907> how about sub-topic?
[21:03] <s-fox> hmm
[21:03] <s-fox> #meetingtopic
[21:04] <s-fox> #subtopic test
[21:04] <elfy> do you have to be chair to run it?
[21:04] <Iowan> chair? (guessing wildly)
[21:04] <s-fox> i am the chair
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[21:04] <s-fox> #topic wubi prefix vs subforum
[21:04] <s-fox> ahah, okay go with it ;)
[21:04] <Iowan> THERE!
[21:04] <elfy> :)
[21:04] <cariboo907> yaaay
[21:05] <Iowan> Are we rusty???
[21:05] <s-fox> basically bodhi was getting at having a subforum for wubi, rather than a prefix
[21:05] <cariboo907> I say prefix only
[21:05] <elfy> was brought up by rubi I believe
[21:05] <elfy> I see no need for a new sub forum
[21:05] <s-fox> i know we discussed it earlier so can we skip to the vote?
[21:05] <coffeecat> Rubi was keen - I don't think many others were.
[21:06] <s-fox> i am neutral at best. more inclined to leave things as they are are, with just the prefix
[21:06] <Iowan> is it worth tabling?
[21:06] <s-fox> everyone okay with going to a vote ?
[21:06] <Iowan> vote...
[21:06] <coffeecat> Yes
[21:07] <elfy> yes
[21:07] <cariboo907> yes
[21:07] <s-fox> #vote create wubi subforum
[21:07] <meetingology> Please vote on: create wubi subforum
[21:07] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[21:07] <s-fox> -1
[21:07] <meetingology> -1 received from s-fox
[21:07] <coffeecat> -1
[21:07] <meetingology> -1 received from coffeecat
[21:07] <cariboo907> -1
[21:07] <meetingology> -1 received from cariboo907
[21:07] <elfy> -1
[21:07] <meetingology> -1 received from elfy
[21:07] <Iowan> -1 for now.
[21:07] <meetingology> -1 for now. received from Iowan
[21:07] <s-fox> #endvote
[21:07] <meetingology> Voting ended on: create wubi subforum
[21:07] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:5 Abstentions:0
[21:07] <meetingology> Motion denied
[21:07] <s-fox> #vote keep the prefix
[21:07] <meetingology> Please vote on: keep the prefix
[21:07] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[21:07] <s-fox> +1
[21:07] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[21:07] <elfy> +1
[21:07] <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
[21:08] <coffeecat> +1
[21:08] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[21:08] <Iowan> +1
[21:08] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[21:08] <cariboo907> +1
[21:08] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[21:08] <s-fox> #endvote
[21:08] <meetingology> Voting ended on: keep the prefix
[21:08] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[21:08] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:08] <s-fox> #agreed Leave things as they are for wubi
[21:08] <s-fox> hmmm, le sigh
[21:08] <s-fox> #agree leave things as they are for wubi
[21:09] <s-fox> fine, be that way ;)
[21:09] <Iowan> (more research...)
[21:09] <s-fox> coffeecat,  has an item about Tutorials and Tips Forum
[21:09] <s-fox> #topic Tutorials and Tips Forum
[21:09] <cariboo907> bug time?
[21:09] <s-fox> it is listed as a valid command cariboo907 , as is subtopic to be fair
[21:10] <s-fox> coffeecat,  you have the floor :)
[21:10] <cariboo907> I know, I've got the page up too
[21:10] <coffeecat> Elfy really needs to take the lead, but I was wondering if it was time to rename the T&T forum, new sticky, etc.
[21:11] <s-fox> what would you want to rename it to coffeecat ?
[21:11] <cariboo907> Something like wiki page discussion?
[21:11] <Iowan> I'm neutral/stupid on this one - educate me
[21:11] <s-fox> i am fairly neutral, but can see a point to it
[21:11] <coffeecat> Something like Wiki Tutorials discussion forum?
[21:11] <elfy> given that we want to stop posting in there and move to wiki - I'd prefer to see the tutes forums closed to new posts and a new one created for discussions - people don't read the stickies and still send things to the moderation queue
[21:11] <s-fox> obvious question:why should it be renamed ?
[21:12] <coffeecat> It's no longer for tutorials
[21:12] <coffeecat> Only discussions about wiki tutes
[21:12] <elfy> excatly
[21:12] <coffeecat> I'm +1 for Elfy's suggestion for new forum + close old one.
[21:13] <cariboo907> +1 to elfy 's suggestion too
[21:13] <s-fox> HOWTO discussions ?
[21:13] <elfy> that's them both tutes'n'tips and outdated
[21:13] <elfy> Wiki tutorial discussions
[21:13] <Iowan> I'm inclined to agree that new forum=new name to make change obvious.
[21:14] <cariboo907> I never really like Tips & Tutes, as most of them were hoto's anyway
[21:14] <s-fox> are we renaming or creating a  new forum  ?
[21:14] <elfy> create a new one - close the old ones
[21:14] <cariboo907> I's say a new sub-forum
[21:14] <Iowan> ^
[21:14] <coffeecat> agreed
[21:15] <elfy> and make the old ones sub to that one I assume
[21:15] <s-fox> alright, now i know what the notion is (i didn't fully understand it) so will start a vote
[21:15] <s-fox> #vote close tut's and tips , create new forum
[21:15] <meetingology> Please vote on: close tut's and tips , create new forum
[21:15] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[21:15] <Iowan> will it see more use than the dev subforum?
[21:15] <cariboo907> +1
[21:15] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[21:15] <coffeecat> +1
[21:15] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[21:15] <Iowan> +1
[21:15] <elfy> +1
[21:15] <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
[21:15] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[21:15] <s-fox> +0
[21:15] <meetingology> +0 received from s-fox
[21:15] <s-fox> #endvote
[21:15] <meetingology> Voting ended on: close tut's and tips , create new forum
[21:15] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[21:15] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:16] <s-fox> should we archive old forum ?
[21:16] <cariboo907> +1
[21:16] <elfy> yea
[21:16] <s-fox> #vote archive tut's and tips
[21:16] <meetingology> Please vote on: archive tut's and tips
[21:16] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[21:16] <cariboo907> +1
[21:16] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[21:16] <s-fox> +1
[21:16] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[21:16] <elfy> +1
[21:16] <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
[21:16] <Iowan> That'd block new entries as well as closing
[21:16] <coffeecat> 0
[21:16] <meetingology> 0 received from coffeecat
[21:16] <Iowan> +1
[21:16] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[21:16] <s-fox> #endvote
[21:16] <meetingology> Voting ended on: archive tut's and tips
[21:16] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[21:16] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:17] <coffeecat> o/ whoa!
[21:17] <s-fox> what do we do about the howto's that have been converted?  do we move the first post to its own thread OR create a new thread anyway ?
[21:17] <s-fox> coffeecat,
[21:17] <s-fox> ?
[21:17] <coffeecat> The reason I voted 0 for archiving is that if we agree a home layout change later, the archive will be made mnore difficult to find.
[21:18] <coffeecat> May be made...
[21:18] <cariboo907> I'd suggest a new thread
[21:18] <elfy> mmm
[21:18] <Iowan> coffeecat, doesn't that depend on new layout?
[21:18] <elfy> so not archive it - but close to new posts
[21:18] <s-fox> close the forum ?
[21:19] <coffeecat> agree with elfy. Iowan the idea for layout change came from making archive more obscure, iirc.
[21:19] <elfy> coffeecat: yea - was my thought re archives
[21:19] <cariboo907> I don't really see a problem with that ,as most of the tips & tutes are outdated any how
[21:19] <s-fox> alright, vote time (again) ;)
[21:19] <Iowan> Wait!
[21:19] <coffeecat> Also - if/when we close the T&T forum, we need to move the new wiki discussion threads into new forum.
[21:19] <s-fox> okay
[21:19] <s-fox> :)
[21:20] <elfy> I'll do the move of the threads
[21:20] <Iowan> Do we need to un-vote the archive vote?
[21:20] <Iowan> Who has Roberts Rules of Order?
[21:21] <elfy> not me - I'd assume it was a made up name
[21:21] <cariboo907> IT looks like we still archive the sub-forum, just make it harder to find
[21:21] <s-fox> okay, can i now call a vote ? ;)
[21:21] <Iowan> sure
[21:21] <s-fox> alright.... this is going to be a 2 parter, but bear with me....
[21:22] <s-fox> #vote close tut's and tips NOT archive
[21:22] <meetingology> Please vote on: close tut's and tips NOT archive
[21:22] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[21:22] <cariboo907> -1
[21:22] <meetingology> -1 received from cariboo907
[21:22] <Iowan> +0 - we already voted to archive
[21:22] <elfy> +1
[21:22] <meetingology> +0 - we already voted to archive received from Iowan
[21:22] <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
[21:22] <coffeecat> +1
[21:22] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[21:22] <s-fox> +0
[21:22] <meetingology> +0 received from s-fox
[21:22] <s-fox> #endvote
[21:22] <meetingology> Voting ended on: close tut's and tips NOT archive
[21:22] <meetingology> Votes for:2 Votes against:1 Abstentions:2
[21:22] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:23] <s-fox> okay, so that went ahead.... now the second part
[21:23] <s-fox> #vote move first post of migrated tut's and tips to new forum  ?
[21:23] <meetingology> Please vote on: move first post of migrated tut's and tips to new forum  ?
[21:23] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[21:23] <s-fox> +1
[21:23] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[21:23] <cariboo907> -1
[21:23] <meetingology> -1 received from cariboo907
[21:24] <Iowan> +0
[21:24] <meetingology> +0 received from Iowan
[21:24] <coffeecat> I don't understsand the vote topic
[21:24] <elfy> the old threads get closed and new discussion thread is opened at present
[21:24] <s-fox> coffeecat,  do we move the first post of the old migrated tuts to the new forum OR do we create a new post ?
[21:25] <s-fox> 2 seconds...sorry...flea bag is playing up
[21:25] <elfy> -1
[21:25] <meetingology> -1 received from elfy
[21:26] <coffeecat> +0 /me completely baffled
[21:26] <meetingology> +0 /me completely baffled received from coffeecat
[21:26]  * Iowan too
[21:27] <elfy> the way it works is - old thread converted, old thread closed, new discussion thread created - that will be moved to new forum - or that's my understanding
[21:27] <s-fox> back
[21:28] <s-fox> i think this needs a little more discussion
[21:28] <coffeecat> THat's my understanding. Discussion threads only moved to new forum.
[21:28] <elfy> yea
[21:28] <cariboo907> +1
[21:28] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[21:28] <cariboo907> oops I forgot we were still in a vote
[21:28] <s-fox> i'll end the vote, disregard the result
[21:28] <coffeecat> :)
[21:28] <s-fox> #endvote
[21:28] <meetingology> Voting ended on: move first post of migrated tut's and tips to new forum  ?
[21:28] <meetingology> Votes for:2 Votes against:1 Abstentions:2
[21:28] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:29] <s-fox> ^ IGNORE
[21:29] <s-fox> Right,  so we want are talking about a brand new thread ?
[21:29] <elfy> what we need to vote on is - leave old tutorial threads and move newer discussion threads to new forum
[21:29] <cariboo907> Wouldn't we leave the discussion part up to the wiki page creator?
[21:30] <elfy> which is all we'd need to move
[21:30] <elfy> cariboo907: mostly that is the wiki team people
[21:31] <elfy> but - previously it could only really be staff as the 'old' thread needed to be closed at the same time
[21:31] <cariboo907> Isn't the idea though to get any one that creates a new howto, to create a wiki page?
[21:31] <elfy> yes
[21:31] <coffeecat> And a new forum will really force the issue as far as I can see.
[21:31] <elfy> coffeecat: yes
[21:32] <cariboo907> what's to stop someone from creating a howto in the discussion sub-forum?
[21:32] <elfy> and will mean that there are no threads that will need closing - as the old forums will be closed anyway - so at that point wiki creator can start the wiki discussion
[21:32] <elfy> cariboo907: we voted to close those but not archive them
[21:32] <s-fox> i wonder if we can moderate posts to an entire subforum....
[21:33] <s-fox> if it looks like a howto we could act and advise
[21:33] <coffeecat> If someone starts a howto in the new forum, it'll be closed or moved to an ordinary forum, I guess.
[21:33] <cariboo907> What I asked is what if someone decides to create a new howto in the discussion sub-forum, what's to stop them?
[21:33] <coffeecat> Nothing, but we move it out.
[21:33] <Iowan> us?
[21:33] <cariboo907> OK thanks coffeecat
[21:33] <coffeecat> WE could ensure the new forum is moderated as the T&T is/was.
[21:34]  * s-fox nods
[21:34] <elfy> yep
[21:34] <cariboo907> If we are going to do that why bother with a new sub-forum?
[21:34] <elfy> to make a clean break
[21:35] <coffeecat> It's cleaner that way - new strategy - new forum/
[21:35] <elfy> otherwise nothing will change imo
[21:35] <bkerensa> :)
[21:35] <coffeecat> agreed with elfy - no one reads the stickies.
[21:35] <cariboo907> so we'll still end up with queued threads awaitng moderation?
[21:36] <elfy> well I would assume that people going to the new forum and seeing it empty will thinktwice
[21:36] <s-fox> i'm for a clean break
[21:37] <coffeecat> I think the modding will be easier - I was never comfortable with judging the technical content of new tutes.
[21:37] <Iowan> ditto
[21:37] <s-fox> i think we should discuss this in scc and move on for now
[21:37] <elfy> ok
[21:38] <cariboo907> +1
[21:38] <coffeecat> +1
[21:38] <s-fox> you know, we seem to have stalled a little
[21:38] <Iowan> move on
[21:38] <elfy> come back to it next month
[21:38] <s-fox> alright, we'll move on
[21:38] <s-fox> but we agree to discuss this more later
[21:38] <s-fox> #topic Human verification questions - follow up to changes
[21:39] <s-fox> coffeecat,  you have the floor :)
[21:39] <Iowan> Well, the changes seem to be working
[21:39] <coffeecat> Not much to say really. There was a drmatic drop in bot reigsatrtions.
[21:40] <coffeecat> We changed 2-3 questions the other day.
[21:40] <Iowan> Are bots catching on to new questions?
[21:40] <s-fox> we contacted canonical is about the bug (i would not like to say what that bug is in public)
[21:40] <Iowan> I know which one...
[21:41] <coffeecat> The ones I've looked at don't seem to be bots. None of the i.a.m.a.d.i.r.t.s.p.a.m.m.e.r@whatever.com emails
[21:41] <s-fox> okay, good :)
[21:41] <cariboo907> I think we are well aware of the bug you refer to s
[21:41] <cariboo907> s-fox,
[21:41] <s-fox> alright, nothing to vote on - i'd like to move on with the meeting
[21:42] <s-fox> anyone object ?
[21:42] <Iowan> move on...
[21:42] <cariboo907> no lets move on
[21:42] <elfy> nope - that's fine with me
[21:42] <coffeecat> fine by me
[21:42] <s-fox> okay :)
[21:42] <s-fox> #topic Forum Upgrade
[21:42] <Iowan> Anything new since the ML message?
[21:42] <s-fox> i could say so much about this and how it has annoyed me somewhat, but i saw the mail from lyz the other day
[21:43] <cariboo907> Is there much to discuss until SSO is done?
[21:43] <s-fox> and i think elfy sent something recently also
[21:43] <elfy> waiting on Kyle Baker apparently
[21:43]  * s-fox nods
[21:43] <elfy> I updated the ticket for an update from him
[21:43] <s-fox> anything new to report that we don't already know  ?
[21:43] <elfy> nope
[21:43] <s-fox> maybe we should let the community know the status ?
[21:44] <elfy> stalled
[21:44] <s-fox> agreed, stalled
[21:44] <s-fox> again
[21:44] <Iowan> That's news?
[21:44] <cariboo907> still
[21:44] <bkerensa> My understanding is the SSO is nearly done
[21:44] <bkerensa> just a heads up ^
[21:44] <bkerensa> I have been pushing the force that be to move it along
[21:44] <s-fox> bkerensa,  source? :)
[21:44] <s-fox> awesome :D
[21:44] <bkerensa> s-fox: jcastro
[21:44] <bkerensa> he said he predicts it being done next week
[21:44] <elfy> my understanding is that communication on this issue has been appalling
[21:44] <bkerensa> but maybe he was just being optimistic
[21:45] <bkerensa> idk
[21:45] <elfy> we have had optimism for years bkerensa ;)
[21:45] <s-fox> i think we should get in touch with castro
[21:45] <s-fox> again
[21:46] <bkerensa> elfy: I understand your frustration :) I want to see forums upgraded asap
[21:46] <s-fox> #vote someone get in touch with castro for an update
[21:46] <meetingology> Please vote on: someone get in touch with castro for an update
[21:46] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[21:46] <elfy> +1
[21:46] <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
[21:46] <s-fox> +1
[21:46] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[21:46] <cariboo907> +1
[21:46] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[21:46] <coffeecat> +1
[21:46] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[21:46] <Iowan> +1
[21:46] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[21:46] <s-fox> #endvote
[21:46] <meetingology> Voting ended on: someone get in touch with castro for an update
[21:46] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[21:46] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:46] <s-fox> woot :)
[21:47] <s-fox> #topic Rethink forum home page layout
[21:47] <bkerensa> :D
[21:47] <Iowan> beyond me...
[21:47] <s-fox> lots of discussion on this already, would like to just skip to the vote since nearly everyone is for it
[21:47] <s-fox> and this is coffeecat 's item
[21:47] <s-fox> ;)
[21:47] <cariboo907> we need to do something
[21:48] <coffeecat> Everyone seen the suggested way forward here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2060237 ?
[21:48] <cariboo907> to many emails to the admin on how to create a thread :)
[21:48] <cariboo907> +1
[21:49] <elfy> yep
[21:50] <Iowan> I'd like to see the proposed layout first.
[21:50] <Iowan> Different isn't necessarily better
[21:50] <coffeecat> That's in the proposal/
[21:52] <s-fox> which post, the thread has over 70 replies ;)
[21:52] <s-fox> oh wait, that is the short one :D
[21:53] <Iowan> I have no problem *considering* a new layout...
[21:53] <cariboo907> You posted in it s-fox  :)
[21:53] <s-fox> i know  cariboo907  :)
[21:54] <Iowan> vote?
[21:54] <s-fox> we are going to vote on considering a new layout?
[21:54] <cariboo907> when will it be done? :-D I'm inpatient
[21:54] <coffeecat> I thought we "considered" in early August.
[21:54] <elfy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12149766&postcount=19
[21:55] <coffeecat> If we keep on "considering" this will take as long as the forum upgrade.
[21:55] <elfy> to post 22 I think is the bones of it
[21:55] <s-fox> thanks elfy  :)
[21:55] <cariboo907> +1 to what coffeecat  said :)
[21:56] <s-fox> alright, going to vote.
[21:56] <elfy> +1
[21:56] <elfy> what on?
[21:56] <coffeecat> lol
[21:56] <s-fox> on going with the outline
[21:57] <s-fox> anyone mind going to the vote  ?
[21:57] <cariboo907> should we get TV involved in this?
[21:57] <elfy> we can follow up with the nitty gritty details in SCC
[21:57] <cariboo907> or I should say ask TV?
[21:58] <cariboo907> Let's vote
[21:58] <coffeecat> The adjustments in AdmonCP are quite straightforward. It doesn't need TV I think.
[21:58] <coffeecat> AdminCP too! :)
[21:58] <s-fox> straightforward changes
[21:58] <elfy> :)
[21:58] <s-fox> calling a vote, time is getting on...
[21:59] <s-fox> #vote Agree in principle to updating forum homepage layout, exact changes to be outlined clearly
[21:59] <meetingology> Please vote on: Agree in principle to updating forum homepage layout, exact changes to be outlined clearly
[21:59] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[21:59] <Iowan> +0
[21:59] <meetingology> +0 received from Iowan
[21:59] <cariboo907> +1
[21:59] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[21:59] <elfy> +1
[21:59] <coffeecat> +1
[21:59] <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
[21:59] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[21:59] <s-fox> +1
[21:59] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[21:59] <s-fox> #endvote
[21:59] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Agree in principle to updating forum homepage layout, exact changes to be outlined clearly
[21:59] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[21:59] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:59] <s-fox> alright, just division of duties now
[22:00] <s-fox> who wants which tasks?
[22:00] <Iowan> I'll keep the announcement - unless someone REALLY wants it
[22:00] <bkerensa> :)
[22:00] <s-fox> pass
[22:00] <s-fox> lol
[22:00]  * bkerensa haz no tasks
[22:00] <elfy> I can take first responder in RC
[22:01] <cariboo907> I'll answer the admin emails
[22:01] <s-fox> #action Iowan to carry on with announcement
[22:01] <meetingology> ACTION: Iowan to carry on with announcement
[22:01] <s-fox> #action Elfy first contact in RC
[22:01] <meetingology> ACTION: Elfy first contact in RC
[22:01] <coffeecat> I'm happy with welcome pm. I haven't had aany spam pm's in a while and I miss them! :)
[22:01] <s-fox> #action cariboo907  to do the emails
[22:01] <meetingology> ACTION: cariboo907  to do the emails
[22:01] <s-fox> #action coffeecat  to do the welcome pm
[22:01] <meetingology> ACTION: coffeecat  to do the welcome pm
[22:01] <s-fox> #action s-fox to sit pretty as ever :)
[22:01] <meetingology> ACTION: s-fox to sit pretty as ever :)
[22:02] <Iowan> is that the same as the announcement?
[22:02]  * elfy doesn't know what the tasks are anyway 
[22:02] <TheLordOfTime> lol s-fox
[22:02] <Iowan> (the welcome pm)
[22:02] <elfy> but doesn't want the monthly report ...
[22:02] <s-fox> #action s-fox to do the report
[22:02] <meetingology> ACTION: s-fox to do the report
[22:02] <Iowan> What else can I help mess up?
[22:02] <cariboo907> s-fox,  took the easy one again :)
[22:02] <elfy> Iowan: you can help move the forums about :)
[22:03] <Iowan> Careful what you ask...
[22:03] <elfy> :)
[22:03] <Iowan> I might move tnem to cheesecake
[22:03] <elfy> lol
[22:03] <s-fox> alright, i think that is everything, anyone got anything to bring up ?
[22:03] <bkerensa> ;p
[22:03] <bkerensa> I like llamas
[22:04] <coffeecat> o/ 1 brief question
[22:04] <elfy> so - we going to get next months meeting sorted out in the next week ...
[22:04] <s-fox> coffeecat,  go :)
[22:04] <s-fox> i have one item also that can wait until the end
[22:04] <coffeecat> the namless "bug". No one's responded to the RC ticket. It'lltake 5 minutes for someone to comment out a couple of lines in a php file....
[22:05] <coffeecat> ... Is there someone we can approach directly?
[22:05] <TheLordOfTime> why not just give them a diff so they apply it?  just saying :P
[22:05] <TheLordOfTime> whoops sorry wrong channel
[22:05]  * TheLordOfTime hates laptops
[22:05] <s-fox> coffeecat,  we could see who is around on irc i guess
[22:06] <s-fox> or even bring it up with castro since he is our appointed contact person
[22:06] <Iowan> ^^
[22:06] <coffeecat> +1 to castro. It's such a tiny job held up by red tape.
[22:06]  * elfy thinks that's a good idea - one e-mail 2 important issues 
[22:07] <cariboo907> +1 tothe email
[22:07] <s-fox> alright
[22:07] <s-fox> can we move on to my item ?
[22:07] <elfy> yep
[22:07] <coffeecat> yep
[22:07] <Iowan> please
[22:07] <cariboo907> yupe
[22:08] <s-fox> now me and bodhi both shared the chair position. obviously things have changed. i have taken the role completely.  i don't think anyone especially minds this, but i think it would be wise to have a 'backup, just incase real life happens on me'
[22:09] <bkerensa> +1
[22:09] <bkerensa> or burnout
[22:09] <elfy> ok
[22:09] <s-fox> so, i suppose i what i am getting at is, does anyone object, and who could do that ?
[22:09] <Iowan> Who is qualified to backup?
[22:10] <s-fox> all of you
[22:10] <Iowan> I dunno the bot format...
[22:10] <s-fox> the question perhaps should be, who wants to
[22:10] <cariboo907> I nominate elfy  :)
[22:10] <s-fox> Iowan,  the bot is easy, it can be taught
[22:10] <elfy> I'll do it if no-one else wants it
[22:10] <bkerensa> +1 for elfy as backup
[22:10] <coffeecat> Presumably a backup/co-chair would be given super-admin permissionfor the forum?
[22:10] <elfy> cariboo907: thanks then - you could have waited
[22:10] <elfy> :)
[22:11] <s-fox> coffeecat,  correct. as far as i am aware i am the only super admin on the forum
[22:11] <Iowan> I suspect we'd all be willing
[22:11] <s-fox> this is not a good thing
[22:11] <cariboo907> But you did such a good job of arranging the meeting elfy
[22:11] <elfy> agreed s-fox
[22:11] <elfy> cariboo907: lol
[22:11] <Iowan> qualified... not so much
[22:12] <elfy> is there are reason why there shoudl only be two super admins?
[22:12] <bkerensa> too many fingers?
[22:12] <s-fox> yes, so coffeecat doesn't wipe everything by accident
[22:12] <s-fox> ;)
[22:12] <coffeecat> lol
[22:12] <elfy> :)
[22:12] <bkerensa> lawl
[22:12] <bkerensa> :D
[22:12] <Iowan> accident?
[22:12] <bkerensa> Do you guys do database backups at some sort of normal rate?
[22:13] <elfy> LOL
[22:13] <bkerensa> like daily snapshots?
[22:13] <s-fox> i would propose you all go and think about this and this discussion to be moved to the ml
[22:13] <elfy> ok - sounds good
[22:13] <Iowan> +1
[22:13] <bkerensa> +`
[22:13] <cariboo907> +1
[22:13] <coffeecat> +1
[22:13] <s-fox> alight, thanks everyone :)
[22:14] <elfy> cheers s-fox
[22:14] <s-fox> alight, english is funny
[22:14] <s-fox> alright
[22:14] <cariboo907> thanls s-fox
[22:14] <cariboo907> thanks
[22:14] <coffeecat> Thanks s-fox
[22:14] <bkerensa> thanks forum council!
[22:14] <bkerensa> :D
[22:14] <s-fox> thank you all for helping to re-establish the meetings
[22:15] <s-fox> anything else to add before ending meeting ?
[22:15] <bkerensa> Stay Calm and Use Forums!
[22:15] <elfy> who's mailing jcastro?
[22:15] <bkerensa> me
[22:15] <bkerensa> I will cc s-fox
[22:16] <Iowan> FC should
[22:16] <s-fox> i am back to the hospital tomorrow, so it is unlikely to me
[22:16] <s-fox> can someone find some time to do it   later ?
[22:17] <elfy> I can do that tomorrow
[22:17] <s-fox> thanks elfy
[22:17] <s-fox> #action elfy  to email castro
[22:17] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy  to email castro
[22:17] <s-fox> okay, anything else ?
[22:17] <coffeecat> elfy, I'll give you the link for the "bug" if you can't lay your hands on it.
[22:17] <elfy> I have bookmarked coffeecat
[22:18] <coffeecat> Excellent!
[22:18] <Iowan> U D man!
[22:19] <Iowan> There are a few more items on duties list, but none urgent.
[22:19] <cariboo907> Discuss on theML?
[22:19] <Iowan> +1
[22:19] <Iowan> (time to end)
[22:19] <cariboo907> my space bar doesn' t work very well today :)
[22:20] <elfy> so I'll cc cc as well then when I mail jc
[22:20] <s-fox> okay :)
[22:20] <s-fox> ending the meeting ;)
[22:20] <elfy> go for it
[22:20] <s-fox> #endmeeting
[22:20] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat Sep 22 22:20:28 2012 UTC.
[22:20] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-22-21.00.moin.txt
[22:20] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-22-21.00.html
[22:20] <cariboo907> +1
[22:20] <s-fox> hehe
[22:20] <Iowan> YEA! WE DID IT!
[22:20] <s-fox> thanks for coming everyone
[22:20] <elfy> I'll also tomorrow do a - next meeting time thing
[22:20] <elfy> once I've had a gallon or two of tea
[22:21]  * Iowan plans to check calendar
[22:21]  * elfy plans to check kettle
[22:21] <bkerensa> \o/
[22:23] <Iowan> elfy, I was typing response for email to jcastro, but you beat me again...
[22:23] <elfy> we can swap if you like Iowan
[22:23] <elfy> I'll take the not doing it
[22:24] <elfy> :)
[22:24] <Iowan> ... but you already have the link bookmarked
[22:24] <elfy> lol
[22:29] <elfy> good night then :)