=== wet-chan is now known as wet === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === yofel_ is now known as yofel [20:36] hi coffeecat [20:38] We seem to be arriving... [20:38] yep [20:39] I'm here [20:40] old coffee>out, fresh coffee I just made a fresh pot ) [20:41] :) [20:42] pot of tea ... [20:42] people have meeting on Saturdays? [20:42] what for? [20:43] jbicha: they do if it's the only time they can get enough together at the same time ;) [20:44] saturday? [20:44] what's the meeting? [20:44] forum council [20:44] Forum Council [20:44] elfy, beat to it again :) [20:44] beat me :) [20:45] =o [20:45] Forummmmmmmmmmmmms [20:47] hi bkerensa [20:48] hello [20:49] how's things [20:51] Boss is here... [20:51] hi s-fox [20:51] foxy is here [20:51] her, too... ;) [20:59] 1 minute to go [20:59] ping elfy Iowan cariboo907 coffeecat [20:59] o/ [20:59] o/ [20:59] o/ [21:00] o/ [21:00] splendid [21:00] then let us begin [21:00] #startmeeting [21:00] Meeting started Sat Sep 22 21:00:15 2012 UTC. The chair is s-fox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [21:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [21:00] #voters elfy coffeecat Iowan cariboo907 s-fox [21:00] Current voters: Iowan cariboo907 coffeecat elfy s-fox [21:00] New command? [21:00] #topic ubuntuforums fc meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ubuntuforums fc meeting [21:01] * Iowan likes [21:01] #idea Wubi forums vs. Prefix ? [21:01] odd [21:01] #idea wubi prefix vs forums [21:02] okay, that is weird [21:02] lol [21:02] anyone know why that isn't working ? [21:02] topic? [21:02] no idea [21:03] #subtopic wubi prefix vs forums ? [21:03] how about sub-topic? [21:03] hmm [21:03] #meetingtopic === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ubuntuforums fc meeting [21:04] #subtopic test [21:04] do you have to be chair to run it? [21:04] chair? (guessing wildly) [21:04] i am the chair [21:04] Meeting started Sat Sep 22 21:00:15 2012 UTC. The chair is s-fox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [21:04] #topic wubi prefix vs subforum === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: wubi prefix vs subforum [21:04] ahah, okay go with it ;) [21:04] THERE! [21:04] :) [21:04] yaaay [21:05] Are we rusty??? [21:05] basically bodhi was getting at having a subforum for wubi, rather than a prefix [21:05] I say prefix only [21:05] was brought up by rubi I believe [21:05] I see no need for a new sub forum [21:05] i know we discussed it earlier so can we skip to the vote? [21:05] Rubi was keen - I don't think many others were. [21:06] i am neutral at best. more inclined to leave things as they are are, with just the prefix [21:06] is it worth tabling? [21:06] everyone okay with going to a vote ? [21:06] vote... [21:06] Yes [21:07] yes [21:07] yes [21:07] #vote create wubi subforum [21:07] Please vote on: create wubi subforum [21:07] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [21:07] -1 [21:07] -1 received from s-fox [21:07] -1 [21:07] -1 received from coffeecat [21:07] -1 [21:07] -1 received from cariboo907 [21:07] -1 [21:07] -1 received from elfy [21:07] -1 for now. [21:07] -1 for now. received from Iowan [21:07] #endvote [21:07] Voting ended on: create wubi subforum [21:07] Votes for:0 Votes against:5 Abstentions:0 [21:07] Motion denied [21:07] #vote keep the prefix [21:07] Please vote on: keep the prefix [21:07] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [21:07] +1 [21:07] +1 received from s-fox [21:07] +1 [21:07] +1 received from elfy [21:08] +1 [21:08] +1 received from coffeecat [21:08] +1 [21:08] +1 received from Iowan [21:08] +1 [21:08] +1 received from cariboo907 [21:08] #endvote [21:08] Voting ended on: keep the prefix [21:08] Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [21:08] Motion carried [21:08] #agreed Leave things as they are for wubi [21:08] hmmm, le sigh [21:08] #agree leave things as they are for wubi [21:09] fine, be that way ;) [21:09] (more research...) [21:09] coffeecat, has an item about Tutorials and Tips Forum [21:09] #topic Tutorials and Tips Forum === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Tutorials and Tips Forum [21:09] bug time? [21:09] it is listed as a valid command cariboo907 , as is subtopic to be fair [21:10] coffeecat, you have the floor :) [21:10] I know, I've got the page up too [21:10] Elfy really needs to take the lead, but I was wondering if it was time to rename the T&T forum, new sticky, etc. [21:11] what would you want to rename it to coffeecat ? [21:11] Something like wiki page discussion? [21:11] I'm neutral/stupid on this one - educate me [21:11] i am fairly neutral, but can see a point to it [21:11] Something like Wiki Tutorials discussion forum? [21:11] given that we want to stop posting in there and move to wiki - I'd prefer to see the tutes forums closed to new posts and a new one created for discussions - people don't read the stickies and still send things to the moderation queue [21:11] obvious question:why should it be renamed ? [21:12] It's no longer for tutorials [21:12] Only discussions about wiki tutes [21:12] excatly [21:12] I'm +1 for Elfy's suggestion for new forum + close old one. [21:13] +1 to elfy 's suggestion too [21:13] HOWTO discussions ? [21:13] that's them both tutes'n'tips and outdated [21:13] Wiki tutorial discussions [21:13] I'm inclined to agree that new forum=new name to make change obvious. [21:14] I never really like Tips & Tutes, as most of them were hoto's anyway [21:14] are we renaming or creating a new forum ? [21:14] create a new one - close the old ones [21:14] I's say a new sub-forum [21:14] ^ [21:14] agreed [21:15] and make the old ones sub to that one I assume [21:15] alright, now i know what the notion is (i didn't fully understand it) so will start a vote [21:15] #vote close tut's and tips , create new forum [21:15] Please vote on: close tut's and tips , create new forum [21:15] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [21:15] will it see more use than the dev subforum? [21:15] +1 [21:15] +1 received from cariboo907 [21:15] +1 [21:15] +1 received from coffeecat [21:15] +1 [21:15] +1 [21:15] +1 received from elfy [21:15] +1 received from Iowan [21:15] +0 [21:15] +0 received from s-fox [21:15] #endvote [21:15] Voting ended on: close tut's and tips , create new forum [21:15] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 [21:15] Motion carried [21:16] should we archive old forum ? [21:16] +1 [21:16] yea [21:16] #vote archive tut's and tips [21:16] Please vote on: archive tut's and tips [21:16] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [21:16] +1 [21:16] +1 received from cariboo907 [21:16] +1 [21:16] +1 received from s-fox [21:16] +1 [21:16] +1 received from elfy [21:16] That'd block new entries as well as closing [21:16] 0 [21:16] 0 received from coffeecat [21:16] +1 [21:16] +1 received from Iowan [21:16] #endvote [21:16] Voting ended on: archive tut's and tips [21:16] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 [21:16] Motion carried [21:17] o/ whoa! [21:17] what do we do about the howto's that have been converted? do we move the first post to its own thread OR create a new thread anyway ? [21:17] coffeecat, [21:17] ? [21:17] The reason I voted 0 for archiving is that if we agree a home layout change later, the archive will be made mnore difficult to find. [21:18] May be made... [21:18] I'd suggest a new thread [21:18] mmm [21:18] coffeecat, doesn't that depend on new layout? [21:18] so not archive it - but close to new posts [21:18] close the forum ? [21:19] agree with elfy. Iowan the idea for layout change came from making archive more obscure, iirc. [21:19] coffeecat: yea - was my thought re archives [21:19] I don't really see a problem with that ,as most of the tips & tutes are outdated any how [21:19] alright, vote time (again) ;) [21:19] Wait! [21:19] Also - if/when we close the T&T forum, we need to move the new wiki discussion threads into new forum. [21:19] okay [21:19] :) [21:20] I'll do the move of the threads [21:20] Do we need to un-vote the archive vote? [21:20] Who has Roberts Rules of Order? [21:21] not me - I'd assume it was a made up name [21:21] IT looks like we still archive the sub-forum, just make it harder to find [21:21] okay, can i now call a vote ? ;) [21:21] sure [21:21] alright.... this is going to be a 2 parter, but bear with me.... [21:22] #vote close tut's and tips NOT archive [21:22] Please vote on: close tut's and tips NOT archive [21:22] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [21:22] -1 [21:22] -1 received from cariboo907 [21:22] +0 - we already voted to archive [21:22] +1 [21:22] +0 - we already voted to archive received from Iowan [21:22] +1 received from elfy [21:22] +1 [21:22] +1 received from coffeecat [21:22] +0 [21:22] +0 received from s-fox [21:22] #endvote [21:22] Voting ended on: close tut's and tips NOT archive [21:22] Votes for:2 Votes against:1 Abstentions:2 [21:22] Motion carried [21:23] okay, so that went ahead.... now the second part [21:23] #vote move first post of migrated tut's and tips to new forum ? [21:23] Please vote on: move first post of migrated tut's and tips to new forum ? [21:23] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [21:23] +1 [21:23] +1 received from s-fox [21:23] -1 [21:23] -1 received from cariboo907 [21:24] +0 [21:24] +0 received from Iowan [21:24] I don't understsand the vote topic [21:24] the old threads get closed and new discussion thread is opened at present [21:24] coffeecat, do we move the first post of the old migrated tuts to the new forum OR do we create a new post ? [21:25] 2 seconds...sorry...flea bag is playing up [21:25] -1 [21:25] -1 received from elfy [21:26] +0 /me completely baffled [21:26] +0 /me completely baffled received from coffeecat [21:26] * Iowan too [21:27] the way it works is - old thread converted, old thread closed, new discussion thread created - that will be moved to new forum - or that's my understanding [21:27] back [21:28] i think this needs a little more discussion [21:28] THat's my understanding. Discussion threads only moved to new forum. [21:28] yea [21:28] +1 [21:28] +1 received from cariboo907 [21:28] oops I forgot we were still in a vote [21:28] i'll end the vote, disregard the result [21:28] :) [21:28] #endvote [21:28] Voting ended on: move first post of migrated tut's and tips to new forum ? [21:28] Votes for:2 Votes against:1 Abstentions:2 [21:28] Motion carried [21:29] ^ IGNORE [21:29] Right, so we want are talking about a brand new thread ? [21:29] what we need to vote on is - leave old tutorial threads and move newer discussion threads to new forum [21:29] Wouldn't we leave the discussion part up to the wiki page creator? [21:30] which is all we'd need to move [21:30] cariboo907: mostly that is the wiki team people [21:31] but - previously it could only really be staff as the 'old' thread needed to be closed at the same time [21:31] Isn't the idea though to get any one that creates a new howto, to create a wiki page? [21:31] yes [21:31] And a new forum will really force the issue as far as I can see. [21:31] coffeecat: yes [21:32] what's to stop someone from creating a howto in the discussion sub-forum? [21:32] and will mean that there are no threads that will need closing - as the old forums will be closed anyway - so at that point wiki creator can start the wiki discussion [21:32] cariboo907: we voted to close those but not archive them [21:32] i wonder if we can moderate posts to an entire subforum.... [21:33] if it looks like a howto we could act and advise [21:33] If someone starts a howto in the new forum, it'll be closed or moved to an ordinary forum, I guess. [21:33] What I asked is what if someone decides to create a new howto in the discussion sub-forum, what's to stop them? [21:33] Nothing, but we move it out. [21:33] us? [21:33] OK thanks coffeecat [21:33] WE could ensure the new forum is moderated as the T&T is/was. [21:34] * s-fox nods [21:34] yep [21:34] If we are going to do that why bother with a new sub-forum? [21:34] to make a clean break [21:35] It's cleaner that way - new strategy - new forum/ [21:35] otherwise nothing will change imo [21:35] :) [21:35] agreed with elfy - no one reads the stickies. [21:35] so we'll still end up with queued threads awaitng moderation? [21:36] well I would assume that people going to the new forum and seeing it empty will thinktwice [21:36] i'm for a clean break [21:37] I think the modding will be easier - I was never comfortable with judging the technical content of new tutes. [21:37] ditto [21:37] i think we should discuss this in scc and move on for now [21:37] ok [21:38] +1 [21:38] +1 [21:38] you know, we seem to have stalled a little [21:38] move on [21:38] come back to it next month [21:38] alright, we'll move on [21:38] but we agree to discuss this more later [21:38] #topic Human verification questions - follow up to changes === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Human verification questions - follow up to changes [21:39] coffeecat, you have the floor :) [21:39] Well, the changes seem to be working [21:39] Not much to say really. There was a drmatic drop in bot reigsatrtions. [21:40] We changed 2-3 questions the other day. [21:40] Are bots catching on to new questions? [21:40] we contacted canonical is about the bug (i would not like to say what that bug is in public) [21:40] I know which one... [21:41] The ones I've looked at don't seem to be bots. None of the i.a.m.a.d.i.r.t.s.p.a.m.m.e.r@whatever.com emails [21:41] okay, good :) [21:41] I think we are well aware of the bug you refer to s [21:41] s-fox, [21:41] alright, nothing to vote on - i'd like to move on with the meeting [21:42] anyone object ? [21:42] move on... [21:42] no lets move on [21:42] nope - that's fine with me [21:42] fine by me [21:42] okay :) [21:42] #topic Forum Upgrade === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Forum Upgrade [21:42] Anything new since the ML message? [21:42] i could say so much about this and how it has annoyed me somewhat, but i saw the mail from lyz the other day [21:43] Is there much to discuss until SSO is done? [21:43] and i think elfy sent something recently also [21:43] waiting on Kyle Baker apparently [21:43] * s-fox nods [21:43] I updated the ticket for an update from him [21:43] anything new to report that we don't already know ? [21:43] nope [21:43] maybe we should let the community know the status ? [21:44] stalled [21:44] agreed, stalled [21:44] again [21:44] That's news? [21:44] still [21:44] My understanding is the SSO is nearly done [21:44] just a heads up ^ [21:44] I have been pushing the force that be to move it along [21:44] bkerensa, source? :) [21:44] awesome :D [21:44] s-fox: jcastro [21:44] he said he predicts it being done next week [21:44] my understanding is that communication on this issue has been appalling [21:44] but maybe he was just being optimistic [21:45] idk [21:45] we have had optimism for years bkerensa ;) [21:45] i think we should get in touch with castro [21:45] again [21:46] elfy: I understand your frustration :) I want to see forums upgraded asap [21:46] #vote someone get in touch with castro for an update [21:46] Please vote on: someone get in touch with castro for an update [21:46] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [21:46] +1 [21:46] +1 received from elfy [21:46] +1 [21:46] +1 received from s-fox [21:46] +1 [21:46] +1 received from cariboo907 [21:46] +1 [21:46] +1 received from coffeecat [21:46] +1 [21:46] +1 received from Iowan [21:46] #endvote [21:46] Voting ended on: someone get in touch with castro for an update [21:46] Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [21:46] Motion carried [21:46] woot :) [21:47] #topic Rethink forum home page layout === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Rethink forum home page layout [21:47] :D [21:47] beyond me... [21:47] lots of discussion on this already, would like to just skip to the vote since nearly everyone is for it [21:47] and this is coffeecat 's item [21:47] ;) [21:47] we need to do something [21:48] Everyone seen the suggested way forward here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2060237 ? [21:48] to many emails to the admin on how to create a thread :) [21:48] +1 [21:49] yep [21:50] I'd like to see the proposed layout first. [21:50] Different isn't necessarily better [21:50] That's in the proposal/ [21:52] which post, the thread has over 70 replies ;) [21:52] oh wait, that is the short one :D [21:53] I have no problem *considering* a new layout... [21:53] You posted in it s-fox :) [21:53] i know cariboo907 :) [21:54] vote? [21:54] we are going to vote on considering a new layout? [21:54] when will it be done? :-D I'm inpatient [21:54] I thought we "considered" in early August. [21:54] http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12149766&postcount=19 [21:55] If we keep on "considering" this will take as long as the forum upgrade. [21:55] to post 22 I think is the bones of it [21:55] thanks elfy :) [21:55] +1 to what coffeecat said :) [21:56]