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hamitrongeneral voice commands?00:03
r007no00:03
r007*dont know00:03
r007you can control on your pc with clapping your hand00:04
hamitronjust having a look00:07
hamitronI'm not the right person to "just know" this00:07
hamitronyou can control the video player totem with a plugin00:08
r007what do you mean?00:09
hamitrondunno exactly00:11
hamitronI assume you want to control more than just a media player?00:12
r007what is dunno?00:12
r007i want to run a command in when i clap my hands00:13
hamitronI'd try the voice recognition stuff personally00:14
hamitronthat may work00:14
r007i can record a "clap" sound?00:16
hamitronmaybe00:16
ali1234i expect it would work00:16
ali1234only one way t find out though00:16
r007how i can do it?00:16
ali1234gnome-voice-control00:18
ali1234!gnome-voice-control00:18
lubotu3ali1234: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)00:18
ali1234~gnome-voice-control00:18
ali1234!info gnome-voice-control00:18
lubotu3Package gnome-voice-control does not exist in precise00:18
ali1234i dunno, maybe we don't have any software for that00:20
hamitronaccording to tomshardware, it is built in00:20
hamitronin 12.0400:20
r007i'm on 12.04 with unity00:21
hamitronCMU sphinx?00:29
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Azelphurali1234: you awake and happen to know things about RFID/NFC?02:48
ali1234i know something about it02:48
Azelphurfun :)02:48
Azelphurso, I'm trying to get my phone to act as my capital one credit card02:49
Azelphurmy phone can read it, and the data seems to be in exactly the same format as a mag stripe, so there's no query/response security as far as I can see02:49
ali1234so?02:49
Azelphurmy question is, do you know if it's possible for the phone to pretend to be an rfid tag like the card?02:49
AzelphurI seem to be getting mixed messages from the internets about this02:50
ali1234depends on phone02:50
Azelphurgalaxy s3 :02:50
Azelphur:p02:50
ali1234NFC is a superset of RFID02:51
AzelphurI see02:51
Azelphurso anything RFID can do, NFC can do too?02:51
ali1234but on a mobile phone you wont have any access to drivers02:52
ali1234contactless payment cards are not NFC though02:52
ali1234or rather, they are a super set of NFC02:52
Azelphuro.O02:53
Azelphurwell, my phone seems to be able to read all the data no problem02:53
ali1234except for the ones that are not anything at all to do with NFC02:53
ali1234how do you know it's all the data?02:53
Azelphurali1234: I don't for 100%, but it sends out a full magstripe data packet02:53
Azelphurso I don't think there would be a need for any more data, and it makes sense that they'd use the existing spec02:53
ali1234NFC is a two way protocol02:54
Azelphurit is, but I don't think it's used here in any secure way02:54
Azelphuryou just probe the card, and get this reply http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_stripe_card#Financial_cards02:55
Azelphurso unless there is any additional packets (why?, all the required data is provided) then it should just be as simple as that02:56
ali1234account number, name, PVK?02:56
Azelphuryup02:56
AzelphurI read all that data off my card using my phone02:57
ali1234all that stuff is written on the card02:57
ali1234i mean literally written on the face of the card02:57
Azelphuryep02:57
Azelphurit's all you need though, it's the same thing they use in magnetic stripe payments02:57
ali1234yeah02:57
ali1234it's probably enough02:57
Azelphurindeed02:57
ali1234they limit those transactions02:58
Azelphuryea, £20 iirc02:58
ali1234so maybe02:58
Azelphur£20 limit for NFC, but I still think it'd be cool to be one of the first in the country to go by a mcdonalds with my phone :P02:58
ali1234you;re far from the first02:58
Azelphurone of the first :(02:58
ali1234i know people who've tried to do it02:58
ali1234an failed02:58
Azelphurhehe02:59
ali1234turns out, it's really fiddly and annoying02:59
ali1234with the official software, you have to enter a PIN on the device02:59
Azelphuryea02:59
ali1234then you get like 10 seconds to swipe02:59
Azelphur\o/02:59
Azelphurali1234: I've heard that the pin can be optional, it's not a hardware requirement02:59
ali1234probably03:00
ali1234so you can probably do this, i guess03:00
Azelphuryay \o/03:00
Azelphurnow I just have to keep trying to figure out how, haha03:00
ali1234get the barclays or whatever app for NFC payments, and reverse engineer it03:00
Azelphurthat's already been done03:00
Azelphurit depends on a funky orange sim card, as it uses hardware in the sim card instead of the phones built in nfc03:00
Azelphurjust to be assholes and not let anyone else use it, yay vendor locking.03:01
ali1234http://www.ccsinsight.com/blog/orange-quick-tap-gets-off-to-a-slow-start03:01
ali1234yeah. you don't need the sim card to decompile the code though03:01
ali1234then just examine the APIs it uses03:01
ali1234all you need to do is find a rom which contains it and rip it out and then load it up in IDA or whatever03:02
Azelphurhehe03:02
ali1234heh, that blog over a year old03:02
Azelphurgoogle wallet does it too, and might be a bit better to inspect instead03:03
Azelphursince it's less fragmented03:03
ali1234only NFC phone i have is symbian03:03
Azelphurhehe03:04
Azelphurthe other uglyhack idea I had was to buy a tiny NFC chip and just put it inside my phones case03:04
Azelphurand clone my card onto it03:04
ali1234oh, and NFC doesn't work because i downgraded it to the PR1.0, because later version get terrible battery life03:04
Azelphurlol03:04
ali1234yeah that idea has already been done03:04
Azelphurindeed :P03:05
ali1234some bank got tired of waiting for NF phones, so they just sent out stickers that you stick on your phone. it's just a mini credit card03:05
ali1234you could just put your credit card... inside the phone03:05
AzelphurI tried that but it didn't fit :(03:05
ali1234i'll have to see if i can blag some real NFC phone and some of the test cards03:06
Azelphursounds fun03:07
ali1234maybe i can hack together a reader with arduino03:07
ali1234any idea what frequency they use?03:07
Azelphurnone at all xD03:08
ali1234http://www.nxp.com/products/interface_and_connectivity/nfc_devices/series/PN532.html03:10
Azelphurhehe03:11
ali1234package type: SOT61803:11
ali1234well, that blows03:11
Azelphur:<03:12
ali1234http://www.adafruit.com/products/36403:13
Azelphurthey want your money :P03:14
ali1234it's a little bit pricey03:15
ali1234but it's only like £3003:15
Azelphurhehe03:15
ali1234the layout is kind of uneccessarily large03:15
ali1234i'd like to get a breakout like that with bluetooth and NFC03:16
ali1234i'm pretty sure they come in one chip these days03:16
Azelphurhehe03:16
AzelphurI'mma have to go to sleep for now anyway, will stab more at this tomorrow :D03:17
Azelphurnn and ty :)03:17
ali1234hmmmmmm... BFL is the next bitcoin scandal?03:37
MartijnVdSAzelphur: smaller! https://www.sparkfun.com/products/987505:19
MartijnVdSAzelphur: also, modern phones have NFC, mine can read parts of Oyster cards (all of it if I had the secret keys)05:20
WobboEOG has a bug. PNG's working fine, but JPG's have problems. http://wobbo.nl/ubuntu/07:18
ali1234are these jpegs ok: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Test/xhtml-print/20050519/tests/A_2_1-BF-01.htm07:21
WobboOnly the last one works.07:52
Wobbohttp://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Test/xhtml-print/20050519/tests/jpeg444.jpg07:52
ali1234odd. are you using 12.10?07:53
ali1234beta?07:53
WobboNope07:53
ali1234can you upload the broken jpeg, to rule out corrupted downloads?07:53
ali1234imagebin.org will do07:54
WobboThe problem is only when i with EOG. Firefox/Chrome/Opera are fine.07:54
ali1234corruption always looks the same if you open the file again?07:57
WobboAll jpeg are broken if i whats it whit EOG.07:58
WobboAll the 3000 files. LoL07:58
ali1234so if you close the file and open it again, is the corruption the same, or does it move around?07:59
WobboIf i open it whit GIMP there are no problems.07:59
WobboIn Nautilus all the images look greet.08:00
ali1234it looks like memory corruption08:00
ali1234is your system fully updated?08:01
Wobboyes08:02
Wobboand its new08:02
ali1234has it always done this or did it start recently?08:03
ali1234there is a update got eog which i don't have. installing it, then i will retest08:03
Wobborecently08:04
WobboMore than 1 or 2 months.08:05
WobboAnother reason kan we my screen: http://wobbo.nl/ubuntu/Schermafdruk-01.jpg08:07
ali1234ah08:07
ali1234i bet it is a video driver problem then08:07
ali12343 monitors... ati by any chance?08:07
WobboYep08:08
ali1234every ati card i've ever used has had graphical corruption like that08:08
WobboFor example wine: WoW works ok.08:08
ali1234usually it affects the whole picture in my experience08:08
Wobbommm...08:09
ali1234well i updates and eog still works fine08:10
WobboWhat is the best alternative EOG?08:10
WobboThanks for your time!08:11
ali1234i suggest testing with the alternative driver for your card08:11
ali1234also test without the screen rotated08:11
ali1234then report a bug with all these results08:11
WobboThanks!08:16
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pinky-Good Morning All09:11
* pinky- suspects alcohol poisoning for the channel quietness09:12
matttmorning morning09:12
pinky-moring09:13
matttthe house is coooold this morning09:13
matttpinky-: how you?09:13
pinky-I left the heating on all night and woke up in a swaet09:13
pinky-sweat09:13
pinky-but I'm doing good.. you?09:13
pinky-I'm looking forward today towards the F109:14
mattti'm probably going to drive into london09:14
matttmaybe watch a movie09:14
matttwhere's the F1 today?09:14
pinky-cool09:14
pinky-Singapoor09:14
matttoooh09:14
pinky-pore09:14
matttmy wife is from singapore09:14
matttshe'll want to see that09:14
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:14
pinky-lucky you!09:14
pinky-good morning brobostigon09:15
matttpinky-: i'll tape it now so she can see :)09:15
matttmorning brobostigon09:15
brobostigongood morning pinky- and mattt09:15
pinky-mattt, atm its only playing on the BBC Red Button but it plays later today on BBC109:15
bigcalm[mob]Hi peeps :)09:15
pinky-Good Morning bigcalm[mob]09:16
bigcalm[mob]Jello09:17
pinky-nicotine and caffine time here09:17
brobostigon:)09:17
brobostigonagreed pinky-09:17
matttsorry guys, this is a smoke free channel09:19
popeymorning09:19
pinky-ok I won't mention again, poit taken09:19
pinky-point*09:19
pinky-sorry09:20
matttpinky-: nono09:20
mattti just meant, no smoking in here :P09:20
brobostigonany ideas, where i can find england crime statistics.?09:20
pinky-I'm so used to chatting on Efnet where nothing is off-topic, I must try harder on Freenode09:20
matttpinky-: i don't think people mind if you chat about smoking09:21
matttbut i think swearing and some things are off limit09:21
matttsince we have younger people come in and out for help09:21
matttbrobostigon: i remember looking at some sites in the past, but can't remember URLs :-/09:22
brobostigonmattt: ok, thanks.09:22
bigcalm[mob]! Ohmy09:22
lubotu3Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others.09:22
bigcalm[mob]Talking about having a fag is fine I'd say :)09:23
matttme too09:23
matttBUT NO SMOKING IN THE CHANNEL ITSELF09:23
mattt:)09:23
bigcalm[mob] Hah. How would you tell?09:24
matttanyone use irccloud.com?09:25
matttand if so, do you have an invite to spare?  :)09:25
bigcalm[mob]What would that be then?09:26
matttbigcalm[mob]: a persistent browser-based irc 'client'09:26
bigcalm[mob]I see09:27
matttit's developed by some of the original last.fm guys09:27
matttand looks really nice09:27
pinky-I came to Freenode for backtrack and ended up staying here, just thought I'd mention so peeps knew09:31
pinky-just saying09:31
bigcalm[mob]Right, time to visit the south coast. Toodles09:32
pinky-I really like this UK channel09:32
pinky-o/ bye for now09:32
matttpinky-: backtrack?09:39
pinky-yeah penetration testing distro09:41
jacobwmorning09:41
pinky-they have a channel here #backtrack-linux09:41
ali1234brobostigon: office of national statistics09:42
ali1234http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/taxonomy/index.html?nscl=Crime+and+Justice09:42
brobostigonali1234: thank you.09:43
pinky-also on Efnet I used to idle and help out at time in #egghelp and there is a sister channel here with all the same users from Efnet so I styaed for that also09:48
pinky-lot's of peeps in there I already know09:48
pinky-so things don't seem so strange09:49
ali1234egghelp? like "how long does it take to boil an egg?"09:49
pinky-hehe09:49
pinky-now people know why I got the ex-chat thingy wrong yesterday;)10:05
pinky-but I learnt so all is good10:07
jacobwXChat/10:07
pinky-hehe10:07
pinky-ok I'm going to idle now, bbl10:07
jacobwi'm idling off a hangover this morning :010:10
jacobwuh :0 → :)10:10
czajkowskidavmor2: ello10:29
czajkowskidavmor2: who does one poke re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/105446010:30
christelmorning pretties10:30
lubotu3Error: Could not gather data from Ubuntu for bug #1054460 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054460). The error has been logged10:30
MartijnVdS\o christel10:30
brobostigonmorning christel10:30
christel\o/ morning <3<310:33
brobostigon:)10:34
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dwatkinsmornin10:48
MartijnVdS\o10:49
dwatkinso/ MartijnVdS10:49
czajkowskielfy: ello10:49
elfyhi czajkowski :)10:50
elfymorning everyone else10:50
czajkowskielfy: so where are you based again ?10:50
dwatkinsMy most difficult decision right now is whether to buy yet another hard disk. I feel quite lucky in this regard.10:50
elfyczajkowski: between southampton and bournemouth10:50
czajkowskiagain my geography of UK isn't so great, everthing north of London is The North10:50
czajkowskiahh down south10:50
pinky-dwatkins, for RAID?10:50
czajkowskiI at leasat have been to southhampton10:50
elfyyep :)10:50
dwatkinspinky-: no, although I do manually mirror stuff10:50
czajkowskiand spent a week down in Dorset10:50
elfyI try not to czajkowski ...10:51
czajkowskisoo pretty down there and very laid back10:51
czajkowskiand they do like their clotted cream !10:51
dwatkinsI have a couple external USB-attached disks, and am running out of space - I either buy yet another 3 TB disk, or start again and build a little server.10:51
elfyczajkowski: yea I remember you say - I like Dorset - yes it is laid back down here - downside where I am is there's not much work ...10:51
czajkowski:/10:52
elfyI like anyone's clotted cream ;)10:52
czajkowskiless good10:52
czajkowskinot a lover of cream at all10:52
elfyyep - but such is life10:52
czajkowskiexcept oddly enough in a sponge cake but fresh cream not clotted10:52
elfyoh - I'm a lover of anything that's got some fat in it :p10:52
czajkowskielfy: are you currently working?10:52
elfynope10:53
czajkowskibeen there for a long time10:53
elfygot some fingers in pies though10:53
elfysince June10:53
czajkowskiah good to hear10:53
czajkowskiyeah tok me a good few months as well10:54
elfyif I wanted to work in what they delightfully call the 'care industry' I could get 5 jobs tomorrow10:54
christelmmmpie.10:54
elfyalways pie christel10:54
elfyor pasties10:54
christelalways!10:54
christeli had a beautiful rump steak and stilton pie at sweeney & todd's i reading last night10:55
christelit was scrumptious10:55
elfysounds lovely :)10:55
czajkowskinods I know of someone who's trained to work in a lab but hasnt gotten a job sinc eshe gradeduated 2 years ago and is now working in a old folks home doing care work.10:55
czajkowskibut as she said a jobs a job and least she's earning10:55
elfyyep10:55
elfyI'm not sure that the little old dears would take kindly to a 6'4" 16 stone bloke :)10:56
czajkowskiprobably well10:57
AlanBellwhat do you want to do?10:57
elfylol10:57
christel6'4 you said? i'll take one10:57
elfyha ha ha10:57
elfyAlanBell: I'm looking for work as a wireman - there are some locally turned up within the last couple of days - so that's good10:57
czajkowskielfy: what's a wireman?10:58
elfywiring harnesses - that sort of thing  - did my training with BAe10:58
czajkowskiahh10:59
davmor2czajkowski jamesw has already directed it to the team but it won't be looked at till Monday11:00
czajkowskidavmor2: thanks11:00
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pinky-w00t F1 is starting on BBC1HD, back in 3 hours.12:01
SuperEngineerwas already there waiting pinky-12:02
pinky-I was watching Practise sessons on the Red Button before12:02
* SuperEngineer sets Pidgin status to "watching F1"12:02
pinky-Practice*12:05
pinky-noun12:06
MartijnVdSOoh f112:13
MartijnVdSwhy didn't you say so :)12:14
SuperEngineerF1: teams forced being used to a set of tyres supplied by vendor saying this what you will use today; teams being forced to used fuel developed by an outside body with no choice; main objects liable to crash at any momemt soon; controlled by a super rich oligarch....12:14
SuperEngineerhmmm... Formula Windows?12:14
SuperEngineerthe difference between F1 & Windows.... humans [and commentators like EJ]12:16
jacobwDoes Paul Thurott still exist?12:19
SuperEngineerjacobw: the man from Del Google, he say yes12:22
SuperEngineerand this years Darwin award goes to... http://tinyurl.com/d5mg6kj [from BBC US news]12:28
jacobwcan't be a darwin award :( he's still able to reproduce12:34
jacobwgiven a few assumptions12:35
SuperEngineerjacobw: ;D12:38
* popey wonders if gord is in far away lands13:03
* SuperEngineer shouts "gord" out of window.... nope - he's not in Gloucestershire13:05
SuperEngineer[but some bloke saying he created all things told me to stop speaking cockney]13:08
bootlknvfAlanBell and Anyone else out there ..., Hi there, Just some quick news ... we've set-up a monthly local Ubuntu user LUG meeting in our area. Mr Shuttleworth and others have expessed an interest in attending. I was wondering how best to use the oppourtunity ??13:11
AlanBellcool13:16
AlanBellare you in the IOM?13:16
bootlknvfYes , How did you guess ?? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=-4.48287391662598&minlat=54.1477584838867&maxlon=-4.48278045654297&maxlat=54.147865295410213:19
bootlknvfWhere no. 13 ...13:20
popeyexcellent13:23
popeybootlknvf, ask him if he'll do a talk?13:23
bootlknvfI'm expecting people with beards !13:23
Knightwisehey everyone13:23
bootlknvfpoepey, OK..13:23
bootlknvf**popey13:24
popeyhi Knightwise13:24
Knightwisehey popey :)13:24
Knightwisewho ever said osx was easy should try making a bootable usb drive for ubuntu :)13:24
bootlknvfHi did a talk for the local TV station , so I don't seev why not ... it's on archive if you want me to find it ??13:24
bootlknvfFound it .... http://www.manx.net/tv/mt-tv/isle-of-man-news-archive-search?query=shuttleworth13:26
* bootlknvf drinks his cuppa ...13:28
* popey verifies some SRUs13:34
pinky-http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/09/22/1319216/ubuntu-will-now-have-amazon-ads-pre-installed?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%2913:40
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bootlknvfHere is a collection of aggregsted links from dozens of chat rooms for your pleasure (from the last month) http://goo.gl/NqFwJ13:41
AlanBelldo you know (or are you) https://twitter.com/isleofmandan13:41
bootlknvfAlanBell, Yes, I just spoke with him ... Do you ??13:42
AlanBellonly on twitter and mailing lists and such13:42
bootlknvfOh Ok .. Well we are meeting up every 3rd saturday of the month ... not sure how to prepare    ... and everything ??13:43
AlanBellWell I would suggest making sure there is internet and power and tea and coffee and biscuits or cake13:45
AlanBelland line up someone to talk about something, or some general topic each month13:45
bootlknvfAlanBell, Power - check . Tea - check. Coffee - check, Biscuits - Will buy some, Cake - Will buy some [ Kipling ?? ] , Internet - Noncheck  ... we have internet but only through CAT5 cable until someone knows how to sort out the Mess of a Legacy setup we have at the moment13:48
AlanBellyou can ask people to bring cake and stuff too13:49
popeybootlknvf, when is the meeting?13:50
bootlknvfAlanBell, The first talking topic will be "How to get the Isle of Man Linux User Group on the Net " as only 2/3 people will be attending .. we have a project to use contemporary websites to establish the group...13:50
bootlknvfpopey .. its 3rd saturday of every month .13:50
popeyare you aware of lug.org.uk?13:51
popeythey/we can host a website for you.. like iom.lug.org.uk, and a mailing list if you need it13:51
AlanBellyup, do that13:51
popeyhttp://iom.lug.org.uk/ looks like you already have one :)13:51
bootlknvfWe've already done that ..13:51
bootlknvfWe need to change the website though..13:51
bootlknvfNext meeting 20th October 2012 ..13:52
AlanBelljust before the Quantal release13:52
AlanBellwhat is the venue?13:52
popeybootlknvf, i can fix that for you :D13:52
bootlknvfpopey , Is    " lug.im "  abit too silly or should we consider it ???13:52
popeyi dont think it matters13:53
popeypeople obsess far too much about things like domain names13:53
popeywhen in fact what really matters is having the meetings and making them successful13:53
bootlknvfAlanBell, Check      14 : 19pm above13:53
AlanBellyeah, that is a grid ref, what kind of place is it?13:53
bootlknvfIt's an office13:54
bootlknvfWith a big board room for chats & coffee etc.13:54
Azelphurfor anyone curious about the security on the wireless credit cards, it's bad xD13:56
AlanBellhttp://goo.gl/maps/8Tllp this one13:56
AzelphurI was looking into it last night with the goal of using my phone in place of my card, I found that my phone can easily read my card, and here's an example packet (with scrambled numbers of course) http://pastebin.com/FAD5j6bG13:56
Azelphurthings that are scary, that.13:57
bootlknvfAlanBell, Sorry I could only find the map ref thingy .. No picturesw really .. wait let me try flickr ..13:57
AlanBellbootlknvf: Nadine house?13:58
bootlknvfAlanBell, Yep13:59
AlanBellvery nice location :)13:59
bootlknvfThank-you , I used to live there actually .. 4 six years. until I moved out.13:59
bootlknvfAlanBell, Just curious but how did you find out it was Nadine House ?? Did it say straight away .. or did you do some digging ????14:01
AlanBellhttp://goo.gl/maps/8Tllp says on the front of it14:01
bootlknvfAhh yes .. excellent I forgot about streetview  .. yes the meeting will be on the 1st floor behind the flagpole ..14:03
AlanBellgreat, maybe do some posters/flyers for libraries/colleges http://spreadubuntu.org/14:05
bootlknvfAt some point I'm going to suggest to the group about putting a webcam on the bottom-end of trhe flagpole to get people to use it as a premium webcam service .. as some people as absolutely obsessed about the IOM for some reason .. this is to generate income for the group .14:05
bootlknvf....but it's abit of a long shot14:05
AlanBellI like this webcam http://www.pier39.com/SeaLion/sea_lion_webcam.htm14:06
bootlknvfAFAs poster etc .. we're doing that in the new year .. keeping it low key until then.14:06
bootlknvfopening...14:06
bootlknvfmmm. I am the walrus ... very John Lennon .. :O)14:07
bootlknvfbut yes excatly the same thingy-ma-jig  ..14:08
AlanBellalso avoid doing silly things that make it an all boys club. If you start expecting people with beards that will be a self-fulfilling prophecy14:09
AlanBellnot that there is anything wrong with beards14:09
AlanBelljust not a very inclusive entry requirement14:09
bootlknvfOk .. I was just kidding really.14:09
christelho ho ho14:09
AlanBellyeah I know14:09
bootlknvfWow I can zoom in on Golden gate bridge ....14:10
AlanBellchristel: you wouldn't make a good father christmas14:10
brobostigonlol14:10
christel:(14:10
Azelphurso yea, it seems hardware wise that the new wave of android phones has the capability to just scan an RFID card and instantly clone it, just waiting on firmware patches to enable the end user access to this lol14:28
Azelphurquite cool for my prospect of wanting to pay using my phone instead of my credit card, quite uncool security wise xD14:28
bootlknvfchristel, Why not be one of jis elves ??14:29
bootlknvf**his14:29
pinky-Azelphur, yeah I read about NFC hacks the other day too. Through NFC it was possible to upload a malicious file to the device, which allowed us to gain code execution on the device and subsequently get full control over the device using a second vulnerability for privilege escalation14:32
bootlknvfAlanBell, It would be nice to get a big banner and all stand outside on a sunny day sometime ... Do you think Mark has a spare Ubuntu banner  (or anyone) knocking about that we could use ??14:32
popeybootlknvf, many loco teams have had banners made pretty cheap14:33
Azelphurpinky-: it's even worse than that, I'm reasonably sure at this point that the hardware allows you to clone a credit card, for example14:33
popeysome have asked companies to sponsor the printing of it14:33
bootlknvfOk, popey ..  I'll keep it in mind.14:33
pinky-Azelphur, buy one before they get banned;)14:33
AzelphurI already have a S3 and Nexus 7 both with NFC haha14:34
Azelphurpinky-: did you see my example showing the data you can lift off a card?14:34
pinky-Azelphur, no I must of missed that14:35
Azelphurpinky-: http://pastebin.com/FAD5j6bG14:35
Azelphurthat's what I get off my card (with scrambled numbers)14:35
pinky-http://thenextweb.com/google/2012/09/19/security-researchers-hack-android-via-nfc-samsung-galaxy-s-iii/14:35
pinky-ok looking now14:36
bootlknvfOk bye for now .. everyone ..14:36
Azelphurpinky-: it's also interesting as you can tell if someone has a restricted credit card14:36
Azelphurlike you can see if they are restricted to goods and services only (no cash), cash only, atm only, etc14:37
Azelphurbut that's all the info you need to go shopping on amazon, for example14:38
* SuperEngineer passes Azelphur's details to fraud commssion14:39
Azelphurtodo: get rfid blocking wallet14:39
Azelphurhaha14:40
pinky-Azelphur, did you edit the PAN number?14:40
AzelphurSuperEngineer: I only found all this because I want to pay (legitimately) with my phone, using my own card, that's still my only goal, I have no desire to start carding xD14:40
Azelphurpinky-: yea, I scrambled all the numbers for obvious reasons14:40
pinky-ok makes sense now14:40
Azelphurand the dates14:40
Azelphurand the discretionary data14:40
pinky-very interesting and I hope it's patched soon14:41
Azelphurit's impossible to "patch"14:42
Azelphurthey'd have to recall all rfid cards.14:42
pinky-hardcore14:42
pinky-bad news14:42
Azelphuralso, this whole "you can't run into any issues it's restricted to £20 for NFC payments" thing is obviously a bit of bull14:42
Azelphursince the £20 limit is implemented by the merchant, not the card/issuer14:42
pinky-yeah in old days it was same with £50 guarentee cards, you could write a couple of cheques at once and they accepted no problem14:43
Azelphurhehe14:44
Azelphurbut yea, once this card emulation patch gets done I should be able to use my phone as a credit card, yay.14:44
Azelphurcan't wait to freak out mcdonalds employees by doing it xD14:44
pinky-hahaha14:45
Azelphurpinky-: the other hilarious idea I had (which I could do now) get a tiny NFC chip, hide it inside the end of the sleeve of my coat, then touch the reader with my palm and announce that I'm going to "pay using the force"14:46
brobostigonlol14:46
AzelphurxD14:47
Riceyhi guys, i'm running 12.10 and just noticed my mouse wheel has reversed direction! anyone else seen this?14:49
popeyi haven't14:51
Riceyodd behaviour, it was after this afternoons' updates14:55
Riceybut they were just unity stuff14:55
Riceyso...how to swap it back.....14:58
Riceyah, that's what it is15:02
Ricey'natural scrolling' on/off switch in ubuntu tweak!15:03
Riceyphew, thought i'd broken it :P15:03
AlanBellbootlknvf: there is a tablecloth, I think Daviey still has it15:04
bootlknvfAlanBell, OK cool .. cant see Daviey on the system ?15:05
bootlknvfAlanBell, Any word onhow to get in touch with Daviey ??15:11
bootlknvf** on how15:11
bootlknvf... Oh I see him now .. Ok15:12
bootlknvfDaviey, Hi there Mr AlanBell says you might have an Ubuntu tablecloth for our LUG that is meeting next month ..15:13
bootlknvfI was wondering if we could get a photo of the users outside in the sun so that we can update the homepage ??15:13
bootlknvfI'm happy to return the tablecloth and give you any charges for the service ...15:14
bootlknvfsome much for the Daviey, then.15:36
AlanBellbootlknvf: people idle here, it is the weekend15:36
bootlknvfAlanBell,  Oh right OK .. an email [PM] would be of help15:37
penguin42anyone seeing 'PCDATA invalid Char value 27' on android mobile G+ page?15:41
Riceymine's ok15:43
Riceyon HTC Sensation15:43
hamitronF1 2012 has arrived :D15:44
penguin42Ricey: Hmm15:49
Riceypenguin42: which browser you using?15:49
penguin42Ricey: standard android browser (on cyanogen 7)15:50
Riceypenguin42: mines good on android browser and chrome15:50
* AlanBell wonders when window borders will return to quantal15:50
penguin42Ricey: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-kp0_w9ua44c/UF3ddXSGHVI/AAAAAAAACoM/h0HZ5Ml9mSE/w497-h373/SAM_0808_v1.JPG15:50
Riceypenguin42: cyanogenmod 915:51
Riceypenguin42: just try changing everything after <url>/app/plus/x/...     to <url>/app/plus/mp15:53
Riceypenguin42: that's where my url points15:54
penguin42Ricey: Is that the difference between the basic mobile interface and the better one?15:55
Riceypenguin42: not sure15:57
Ricey:/15:57
penguin42oh doing that's made it really unhappy!16:06
matttwuzzzzzzup16:07
Riceypenguin42: oh dear16:07
penguin42Ricey: Well, that's actually a bit of a problem - I can't go to any google page on it now, it displays a large white box over the rest of the google page for no apparent reason - I suspect because it thinks it's in a larger format display?16:11
Riceypenguin42: try clearing the browser cache (system menu > apps) and maybe try a different browser too (dolphin, opera)16:12
Riceypenguin42: it might be a screen size issue too???16:12
Riceypenguin42: not sure16:12
penguin42ah, the clear cache wroked16:14
Riceyyay16:14
penguin42for the problem caused by the /mp - still get the char 2716:14
Riceytry a different browser, cm7 is a little old now ;)16:15
penguin42Ricey: Interest, so I tried switching to the non basic-mobile view, and it's fine, and having switched to the non-basic view there doesn't seem to be a way of switching back16:16
Riceypenguin42: ah, didn't try the basic mode, let's see if i can find it...16:17
penguin42and actually the non-basic mode is ok; I just prefer the web interface version to the app16:17
matttlots of tweets about this amazon shopping stuff in 12.1016:18
Riceypenguin42: no, i can't find an option for basic mode on my browsers, i guess it's recognising my setup and leaving it out16:18
Riceypenguin42: if i set it to /x manually it re-directs to /mp16:19
penguin42Ricey: I suspect they've been trying to kill it off - and broke it16:19
Riceypenguin42: prolly !!16:19
Riceypenguin42, have you tried the full app?16:19
penguin42Ricey: The G+ app - yes, I hate it - it was fine until a few months ago, but now it'll only show 2 posts at a time on my phone, however small the posts16:20
Riceypenguin42: it's not to everyones taste or phone, that's true16:20
penguin42Ricey: And doesn't show any comments by default16:20
penguin42Ricey: I liked the old one16:20
Riceypenguin42: yeah, i don't use g+ much on android16:22
pinky-on Reuters they just posted a new news story about Apple seeking Samsung sales banned in the U.S. and another $707 million more in damages16:25
* pinky- thinks about Karma16:26
Riceyproblem #6,873 (random number!) how on earth do i get my ps3 eye webcam audio working - there's a bug but it's not fixed :(16:32
MartijnVdSRicey: on the ps3? Or on Ubuntu?16:32
MartijnVdSRicey: what's the bug #?16:32
RiceyMartijnVdS: on ubuntu, and it's just a random saying!16:33
Riceyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/88644916:33
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 886449 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "[USB-Audio - USB Camera-B4.04.27.1 (playstation eye), recording] Pulseaudio fails to detect card" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:33
Riceyit seems to be an alsa/kernel issue16:34
Riceyaccording to the bug16:34
MartijnVdSnot much to do then, except wait..16:34
Riceyindeed! and buy a cheap second mic!16:34
Ricey$ amixer -c116:35
Riceyamixer: Mixer hw:1 load error: Invalid argument16:35
Riceyoh well, worth a try16:35
pinky-for every event that occurs, there will follow another event whose existence was caused by the first16:36
pinky-that's Karma16:36
Riceyindeed16:36
Riceyso me plugging in my ps3 eye in will cause the alsa devs to fix it ;)16:37
pinky-that's just called getting lucky!16:37
Riceylol16:49
Riceyi could always try connecting my spare bluetooth phone earpiece and mic???16:51
MartijnVdSsure16:51
Riceyoh and a usb bluetooth dongle ;)16:51
MartijnVdSthat should work fine16:51
Riceywhere's that charger gone......16:52
Riceywow, can't believe i found it that quick!16:53
bigcalm[mob]_Any extras for the happy hour tonight?17:37
Pendulumbigcalm[mob]_: sorry, it's a bit far for me ;)17:38
bigcalm[mob]_Aww, some day maybe :)17:42
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bigcalm[mob]Dave highlight?17:45
bigcalm[mob]It doesn't feel right calling you Dave on irc.17:45
bigcalm[mob]Where are the other drinkers? We need more than 317:46
AlanBellI am on the way17:48
AlanBellthe night is young17:49
matttpartaaay17:56
pinky-lol they glued an iphone5 to the ground:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRlOM3y4yG417:57
bigcalm[mob]_Free WiFi in the slug and lettuce is handy, but rather disconnecty18:01
bigcalm[mob]_I shall attempt to be sociable18:03
mgdmIf I'm booting from USB on a somewhat elderly (Athlon 2700) machine, how long should I expect the purple screen with the 3 icons at the bottom to be there?18:06
tombroughouch how much memory you got?18:06
mgdmI can't remember, actually18:08
mgdmI just need the machine up and on the network to get files off18:09
tombroughIf its to rescue stuff off an ageing machine that wont boot I would use a dedicated "rescue" distro, ubuntu live may be a bit to heavy for it to cope with.18:10
mgdmand As I start to burn the CD, it starts to boot!18:11
mgdm(it has 2 working USB ports, I need 3 for the flash drive, keyboard and mouse...)18:11
BigRedSif you're rescuing stuff on an ageing machine it's normally best to take the disk out and plug it into something younger anyway18:11
mgdmYes, I'd love to, but I can't18:11
BigRedSyeah, I suppose that was pretty obvious by the fact that you hadn't :)18:12
mgdmit should be mandatory for USB keyboards to have more USB ports on them18:12
ali1234yes, it's very handy18:13
BigRedSmy USB keyboard has a PS/2 socket on it, which I find endearingly quaint18:17
mgdmheh18:22
pinky-my Asus mobo has 12 x usb 2.0 ports and 2 x 3.0 usb ports, guess I'm lucky and don't need to ever worry about such things:/18:22
* mgdm finds a blank CD and burns Ubuntu to that, and uses the Flash drive on another computer :/18:28
mgdmI'm back home and doing the yearly IT service :)18:28
jacobwthat's always fun18:29
SuperEngineerdr who time boys & girls :)18:32
mgdmnew Win7 computer in and running, old XP computer being backed up before being retired, dead laptop getting a new drive + Ubuntu, dead netbook to get a new power switch...18:32
pinky-quite a list, lots of hours..18:32
mgdmit's all family stuff. Not chargeable :-)18:33
jacobwSuperEngineer: i can't watch it, insensitive clod18:33
mgdmI don't mind18:33
SuperEngineerhee hee18:34
mgdmThe 12.04 installer is pretty slick, I have to say18:35
pinky-lol they mentioned Twitter on DrWho:)18:38
mgdmI wonder has he adapted Rose's phone to tweet as well as make calls across the universe18:38
mgdm'omg getting chased by Daleks AGAIN lol'18:39
mgdmwait, that'd be Facebook18:40
Monotokowow18:41
MonotokoI love Synergy18:41
mgdmit's awesome18:41
MonotokoI can control both my Windows laptop and my Linux desktop :D18:41
mgdmwhen I used to have a Macbook Pro with 2 monitors and a Windows desktop at work, I could control both18:41
mgdmwhich confused the non-techies :)18:42
BigRedShaha, yeah, that's one bit of software that's I never stopped regarding as pure magic18:42
Monotokohahahah, it is pure magic o: took me a while to get it going though18:42
Monotokobloody university internet18:42
mgdmSynergy is magic, yes, but Shazam is witchcraft18:42
mgdmI know exactly how it works, and I could probably implement it myself, but the mere fact that it works quite that well is incredible18:43
ali1234which one?18:43
mgdmali1234: which which?18:43
ali1234synergy or shazam?18:43
mgdmShazam18:43
BigRedSyeah, I've a vague understanding of how Synergy works, but the number of edge-cases there must be in getting it working on X, OSX *and* Windows amazes me. It must be even worse than doing something that's supposed to be possible cross-platform18:43
Monotokohmmm, my mouse won't select my mIRC stuff for some reason :P18:44
Monotokoapart from that18:44
Monotokono problems :D18:44
mgdmit's telling you shouldn't use mIRC18:44
mgdmcome to irssi, it is calling ;-)18:44
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Monotokohahahah clearly :) I also can't get the sidebar on Ubuntu because it just goes straight back to Windows18:45
Monotokosuper key works though :D18:45
ali1234i would plug my synergy fork which supports bluetooth and automatic discovery of services (ie roaming between multiple setups) but the svn server sees to have gone down18:45
mgdmali1234: tres shiny18:45
ali1234linux only though, becuase i have no idea how to write bluetooth code for windows or mac18:46
MonotokoWindows bluetooth code is horrible :P18:46
mgdmI suspect the Windows case at least requires sacrifice of small furry cute animals18:46
Monotokoindeed18:46
penguin42ali1234: Have you seen 'mango-lassi' ?18:46
mgdmgiven that the last time I looked (a while ago) there were about 3 different BT stacks for Windows18:46
ali1234"This domain name expired on 08/21/2012 and is pending renewal or deletion."18:47
ali1234penguin42: no what is it?18:47
penguin42ali1234: It's an alternative to synergy, works with mDNS stuff - never managed to get it to work (haven't tried it for a while though)18:47
ali1234synergy works with mDNS...18:48
penguin42ali1234: But it doesn't advertise a service does it?18:48
ali1234no18:49
ali1234unless you use bluetooth :)18:49
penguin42I think m.l does18:49
penguin42(not sure about bt)18:49
Monotokohmmm, does anyone know how I can get sound across?18:49
Monotokofrom my desktop to my laptop so I can route it through the stereo18:49
ali1234Monotoko: you have to use pulseaudio network abstraction18:49
Monotokoali1234, that sounds complex... does it work cross platform?18:49
ali1234i have no idea how it works but it is supposed to be possible18:49
ali1234yes pulseaudio allegedly works on windows18:50
Monotokohmm, this could be a fun night :P18:50
mgdmI do not use Unity18:51
mgdmhow do I get it to show me all the installed applications?18:51
mgdmthe search isn't working18:52
ali1234top right there's a menu18:52
BigRedSdpkg -l18:52
ali1234it's like a drop down thing with a triangle18:52
ali1234top right of the dash that is18:52
mgdmBigRedS: no, not that :)18:52
ali1234you click onthe bookshelf looking thing at the bottom18:53
ali1234then filter results18:53
ali1234then select all18:53
ali1234then "see 100 more results" next to "installed"18:53
mgdmwhere's 'select all'?18:53
ali1234next to "type"18:53
penguin42I'm kind of surprised those 'bookshelf looking thing' and other icons aren't any more descriptive, didn't seem to do a tooltip18:53
ali1234they've probably redesigned it all since last i used it18:53
mgdmI don't get a 'type' or whatever18:54
mgdmI just get 'filter results', which does hee haw18:54
mgdmand it can't find 'terminal', though last boot it did18:54
ali1234give up on unity18:54
ali1234oh, you can alt-f1 or ctrl-f1 or something, and get a "run" dialog18:54
jacobwwhat do you use now ali1234 ?18:54
ali1234then just put in gnome-terminal18:54
ali1234jacobw: gnome-panel18:55
mgdmit's only running in a live env for the duration of getting all this stuff off18:55
ali1234i learned a huge amount about unity by doing the semi-automated tests18:55
mgdmhitting enter doesn't work \o/18:55
BigRedS"run" is at alt-f218:55
mgdmI have the Run thing, and have typed gnome-terminal18:56
ali1234it has loads of pointless features that yu would never know even existed without a full walkthrough tutorial18:56
BigRedSit's a lot like the start button thing18:56
BigRedSis that the dash?18:56
mgdmyes18:56
BigRedSbut would software-centre get you a list of installed apps?18:56
mgdmOK, my objective is that I want a terminal18:56
mgdmquick-style18:56
ali1234right click on desktop, "create shortcut", -> "gnome-terminal"18:56
BigRedSctrl-alt-t18:56
mgdmbut it won't let me have one18:56
ali1234oh wait, they removed that too18:57
ali1234ctrl-alt-f1, there is your terminal :)18:57
BigRedSinstall guake?18:57
penguin42I think if you can create a .desktop file in your Desktop it still does it18:57
jacobwdoes guake even work with unity18:57
ali1234oh, oh: ctrl-alt-f1, login, DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal, ctrl-alt-f718:57
mgdmBigRedS: ctrl-alt-t worked. You get this week's "obscure shortcut" award18:57
* mgdm sods off for some dinner, and will continue thrashing this later18:58
ali1234ctrl-alt-t works in gnome-panel too, so that's cool18:58
BigRedShaha, yeah, it's a ubuntuism, though18:58
jacobwit doesn't work in kubuntu even18:58
ali1234KDE can probanly do it using plasma workspaces18:59
BigRedSnor does anything, though, so that's okay :)18:59
ali1234plasma can do anything, except for make a usable desktop18:59
jacobwthe keyboard shortcut, not guake18:59
penguin42you can hotkey pretty much anything in kde; although since I've got a terminal icon on my panel I don't really need to18:59
ali1234oh, yeah, i'm pretty sure the keyboard shortcut is actually a gnome thing19:00
jacobwi like plasma19:00
BigRedSI'm pretty sure it predates unity19:02
ali1234they are roughly the same age19:02
ali1234gnome shell too19:02
ali1234they all started development around the same time19:02
BigRedSI just meant the ctrl-alt-f1 shortcut19:03
BigRedSer, ctrl-alt-t19:03
ali1234oh.19:03
ali1234that again?19:03
BigRedShm?19:05
BigRedSah, never mind19:05
jacobwi think plasma development started around 2006, perhaps 2007 as part of kde419:06
ali1234and unity started out as UNE in 200819:07
jacobwi'd forgotten about UNE19:07
ali1234yeah19:08
jacobwi didn't know the code from UNE was used for unity19:08
ali1234i think everyone can agree that unity is an improvement over UNE at least19:08
ali1234the unity code has been rewritten many time while it's been called unity19:09
BigRedShaha, yeah19:09
ali1234i doubt there's any UNE code still in it; i also doubt there is much unity 1.0 code still in it19:09
ali1234they've also totally from scratch rewritten compiz in a different language19:09
ali1234and then there's unity2d as well19:10
jacobwdifferent language?19:10
ali1234yeah, compiz 0.8 is C, compiz 0.9 is C++19:10
Azelphurhow long after a show is aired does it come on at iplayer?19:16
penguin42thought it's pretty instant these days - and if it's still on you can rewind to the start on the life19:18
Azelphurpenguin42: it doesn't seem to want to let me watch the new doctor who :(19:19
Azelphurit redirects me to the lottery when I click it :S19:20
Azelphurhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search?q=doctor%20who19:20
Azelphurah there we go, it caught up now19:21
Azelphur\o/19:21
Azelphuroh nope, it just got confused, uncaught up again19:22
penguin42Azelphur: Your problem here is that you're in the wrong time, if only you had a way to move to the right one19:27
Azelphuro.O19:28
lanboy1anyone know how to get flash 11.2 working so it doesnt smurf youtube?19:30
ali1234yes19:31
ali12341. log out of unity and log in to unity2d or gnome classic19:31
ali12342. open youtube19:31
ali12343. right click flash player and select settings19:31
ali12344. disable hardware acceleration19:31
lanboy1tried that but doesnt work :(19:32
ali1234then you didn't do it properly19:32
lanboy1its something to do with ATI drivers isnt it19:33
lanboy1so i heard19:33
ali1234no19:33
ali1234it is a bug in flash player19:33
lanboy1i'm in gnome classic all the time19:36
lanboy1gonna try it again now19:37
ali1234if you are using gnome-classic and compiz you need to disable compiz19:41
ali1234otherwise you can't click on the box to disable hardware acceleration19:41
ali1234see bug 86567219:41
lubotu3Launchpad bug 865672 in adobe-flashplugin (Ubuntu) ""Adobe Flash Player Settings" dialog does not respond to mouse clicks" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86567219:41
lanboy1ohhhhh19:42
lanboy1yeah i'm running compiz19:42
ali1234by the way, this bug is a regression in compiz 0.9 and doesn't happen with compiz 0.819:42
ali1234also another workaround is to use google chrome19:43
ali1234googlehas the flash source; they've fixed this bug19:43
ali1234but their version of flash plugin only works with chrome, and maybe chromium if you hack it19:43
penguin42that's an old old bug19:43
ali1234yes, it sure is19:43
ali1234almost a year19:44
ali1234also it keeps going away and coming back19:44
ali1234much like all compiz bugs19:44
lanboy1lol i'm running 11.0419:44
lanboy1i will update when i get a job19:44
lanboy1gonna get an ssd19:44
ali1234it's almost as if the developers have no way of knowing which patch fixed which bug, because their version control system is completely useless19:45
penguin42ali1234: I don't think it's that, I think it's not so much that a particular patch makes it come/go, it's just something that happens in some configs and not in others and you tweak something apparently unreleated and it reappears19:45
lanboy1i'm gonna sound dumb here, but how do i stop compiz19:46
ali1234penguin42: i never change compiz settings19:46
ali1234lanboy1: open a shell and type in "metacity --replace"19:46
ali1234you can also log out and log in to unity2d19:47
ali1234or gnome-fallback19:47
penguin42ali1234: I don't mean settings, I mean interactions with lots of different bits of the desktop19:47
ali1234fallback should have no compositing19:47
ali1234penguin42: it's actually caused by compiz stacking bugs. even the lead develop of compiz admits this is a mess and that he's caused many regressions while trying to fix things19:49
ali1234see eg bug 73687719:50
lubotu3Launchpad bug 736877 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Add a test case for stacking order issues" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73687719:50
lanboy1doesnt save when i uncheck hardware acceleration19:50
ali1234well, it should do19:50
lanboy1only works when i start firefox with sudo command19:53
ali1234sounds like you've got stale root-owned configuration files19:54
lanboy1yeah i had some problems with stuff being locked to root before19:54
ali1234cd ~; find -user root19:54
lanboy1ok its listed some files19:55
lanboy1some of which are flash :/19:56
lanboy1so if i change the permissions it should be ok right?19:56
ali1234yeah19:56
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ali1234to avoid this happening, don't use sudo -s, and don't run gui programs with sudo, use gksudo. and only do it when absolutely necessary. i have never needed to run firefox as root.19:58
mgdm*shudder*20:00
BigRedSfirefox as root? What?20:01
BigRedSthough I have come across this idea that sudo is somehow a harmless alternative to making yourself root20:02
jacobwsudo is making yourself root :|20:06
_2E0BXQit stands for pseudo-root20:07
_2E0BXQalso su i.e. super-user, do20:08
jacobwi didn't know that, i thought it was mean to be su-do-this-thing20:08
* BigRedS smiles at a proud history of ambiguous etymology in *nix20:08
lanboy1genius20:09
lanboy1it works20:09
BigRedSjacobw: to be fair it's not quite making yourself root - you *can* configure sudo such that you probably can't break anything too badly by restricting you to doing something not all that dangerous like ifup20:09
BigRedSbut almost everybody doesn't20:09
penguin42and of course since su isn't just for root - you can *substitute user* to any user20:10
jacobwyou can whitelist commands20:10
* _2E0BXQ pets the fact he just logs in as root, and doesn't bother with having a normal user account >.>20:10
jacobwmeh20:12
brobostigonQI XL :) BBC220:12
BigRedSpenguin42: no! 'switch user'! :)20:13
jacobwnobody uses that20:14
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Davieybootlknvf: Hey, I don't think I still have the table cloth.20:49
balorczajkowski, and *that* was the worst Dr Who21:05
bootlknvfDaviey, Yeah, thought as much ... thank-you for getting back in touch with me . Good luck.21:09
popeyDaviey, who does?21:09
Monotokohow do I choose another session at login with just a keyboard?21:22
Monotoko(Ubuntu 12.04)21:22
mrdigitalctrl + alt +(one of the F - keys)21:23
MonotokoI mean at the login screen... like, desktops21:24
MonotokoI have Unity and XFCE21:24
popeytab then space21:24
Monotokothank you! :)21:25
popeynp21:25
popeyali1234, why is raspbmc so painful to setup, they don't have an image you can just blat onto an SD card?21:36
Seeker`Azelphur: Was it you I was talking to about benchmarks for phones?21:40
AzelphurSeeker`: yes21:40
Seeker`Azelphur: http://www.glbenchmark.com/result.jsp?benchmark=glpro25&advanced-filter=false&orderby=448&base=device&screen-group=true&screen-group-value=1&os=0&os=1&os=2&os=3&os=4&version=latest&certified_only=1&brand=all&gpu=all&screen=4&screen=3&screen=2&screen=1&screen=021:41
Azelphurwow the xiamo is top?21:42
Azelphurimpressive, isn't that a budget phone from korea?21:42
Seeker`Azelphur: http://goo.gl/S71jJ21:45
ali1234popey: i know right.21:45
Seeker`Its a china-only phone. Don't think it is particularly budget21:45
AzelphurSeeker`: fun, I remember reading about it, the MIUI phone21:45
ali1234popey: in fact you can download the kernel image and rootfs tarball and just make the sd card yourself quite easily21:45
jacobwMIUI is just a ROM21:46
popeythis bruhaha passed me by21:46
Azelphurjacobw: they have a phone to go with it now21:46
popeyjust finding deleted posts and reading via aggregators http://raspberrycenter.de/aggregator/categories/221:46
jacobwOh, cool :)21:46
Seeker`Azelphur: so, yeah, iphone is quite a bit better than the galaxy S 3 :)21:47
ali1234popey: i've picked through the raspbmc source code and i my opinion they are violating the GPL. their "source code" is just a script which runs debootstrap and makes a tarball from the raspbian mirrors21:47
AzelphurSeeker`: at graphics, not at cpu, screen, nfc, bluetooth, universal connectivity, openness, app availability, camera, ...21:47
popeyright21:47
Azelphur:p21:47
ali1234xbian source code is offline so i can't say anything about that however i suspect they have built their rootfs tarball by hand, so there is no such script for them to release21:48
ali1234but either way, both of them are violating the GPL21:48
Seeker`Azelphur: meh, bigger screen isn't always better, nfc is still as useful as it was when I first tried it 7 years ago, how is the blutooth better, 'universal connectivity'?21:50
* popey notes "build quality" and "design" aren't on Azelphurs list21:50
Azelphurpopey: *shrug*, those things are heavily subject to opinion so I tend to avoid them21:50
ali1234but the really funny part is that no code created by raspbmc is even released under the GPL21:50
AzelphurSeeker`: I've actually been playing with NFC on my phone since yesterday, great fun21:51
popeynot suprised21:51
ali1234they use their own weird non-commercial license (which is therefore not GPL compatible)21:51
Azelphurbluetooth, android has a bunch of profiles that iphone doesn't according to gsmarena21:51
popeyAzelphur, all that list is subject to opinion21:51
Azelphuruniversal connectivity, we have proper microUSB ports, usb otg, etc, you don't.21:51
popeyAzelphur, I have no need for nfc or bluetooth, and the app availability is awesome on ios21:51
Seeker`Azelphur: just about everything on that list is subjective, apart from the lack of nfc21:51
popeyi dont need micro usb on my phone21:51
Azelphurpopey: everything about anything is only relative to use case21:52
popeymini and micro usb are crap connectors anyway21:52
Azelphurthat doesn't change the fact that overall, the galaxy s3 has a much larger feature set, which overall makes it better.21:52
Azelphurif you don't use those features, that's fine :)21:52
ali1234that's right. nokia small connector is the one true power source21:52
popey:)21:52
popeyi was looking for one of them the other day :(21:52
* Azelphur would rather pay less for more features, than more for less21:52
Azelphur:p21:52
popeyended up binning the phone, should have stripped it21:52
Seeker`Azelphur: the only extra feature you listed was nfc...21:53
ali1234lol, binning a phone for lack of a charger that costs £3?21:53
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AzelphurSeeker`: and extra bluetooth profiles, and thousands more apps, I can go on :)21:53
popeyI was in "clear out" mode21:53
ali1234anyway, mobile phone wars lol21:53
popeyindeed21:53
Azelphurhehe :p21:53
popeypointless21:53
ali1234nobody is ever going to change their opinion so it's pointless to argue21:53
AzelphurI don't bother to argue now, I just chant facts21:54
AzelphurxD21:54
Seeker`Azelphur: how many of those apps do anything different to the other several thousand?21:54
popeymeh21:54
popeybored of this21:54
AzelphurSeeker`: no statistics available on that :)21:55
Seeker`Azelphur: what have you been using nfc on your phone for?21:56
pinky-App Store has growing population of never-downloaded "zombie apps" 2/3rds have never ever been downloaded21:56
Azelphurbeaming between my tablet and phone, and I'm also playing around with NFC payments21:56
AzelphurI'm trying to hack NFC payments to work before it's officially released in this country lol21:57
* Azelphur likes to have nice things early21:57
pinky-iOS App Store*21:57
* Seeker` got hold of a nokia NFC phone in 2005 through uni, had to do a project with it. Hasn't seen it really in use anywhere else.21:57
AzelphurSeeker`: most places accept wireless cards now21:57
AzelphurI know my local mcdonalds does, and I think my local tescos does too21:58
Azelphurand the phone talks the same protocol, so should work if I can get past the region locking :)21:58
Azelphurwas also interesting to see what data was actually stored on my card21:59
pinky-The reality is there are only a couple of thousand apps that really make some kind of downloads. This is based on Apple’s closed system — it’s tough to discover those kinds of apps. You don’t have proper search, so the only way to discover new apps is through the top listing.22:01
pinky-The top 25 tend to be the same companies who spend millions of dollars to get to the top of those lists.22:02
ali1234the top "apps" are all cheezy games22:02
Azelphurpinky-: on apple you mean?22:02
pinky-yes22:03
Azelphurhehe22:03
pinky-Did you know that the App Store has 1,899 flashlight apps?22:14
Seeker`pinky-: there are at least 1000 results on google play for android devices22:15
Azelphurlol22:15
Seeker`furthermore there are at least 1000 free flashlight aps22:16
Seeker`and at least 1000 paid flashlight apps22:16
DaraelThe latter is frankly the more worrying.22:17
pinky-this is dated 21st Sept. http://gigaom.com/mobile/ioss-lead-over-android-in-app-monetization-is-shrinking/22:19
pinky-it'll be interesting to see what happens in the next five years.22:27
ali1234google will become the biggest player in smartphones22:33
ali1234microsoft will switch to entirely cloud based services company22:33
ali1234apple will continue doing exactly what they've always done22:33
pinky-I'd laugh like crazy if Samsung patented some new technology which meant Apple couldn't copy and ended up going out of "fashion"22:34
ali1234linux will not become popular on the desktop22:34
ali1234everything else will probably have faded away to be replaced by different companies with different products22:35
ali1234ok 5 years is probably too short time frame22:35
ali1234try 10 years for all that stuff22:35
Seeker`pinky-: there will always be something that apple have a patent on too22:36
Seeker`plus the fact that apple are one of the biggest customers of the other half of samsung22:36
pinky-Seeker`, yeah it reminds me of the U.S. company Monster Cables22:36
Seeker`?22:36
pinky-make thier money through sueing22:36
Seeker`heh, Apple don't make their money through suing22:37
pinky-ok I was too abstract22:37
pinky-and a little sleepy22:40
pinky-I need to hit the hay, good night all22:41

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