[00:03] general voice commands? [00:03] no [00:03] *dont know [00:04] you can control on your pc with clapping your hand [00:07] just having a look [00:07] I'm not the right person to "just know" this [00:08] you can control the video player totem with a plugin [00:09] what do you mean? [00:11] dunno exactly [00:12] I assume you want to control more than just a media player? [00:12] what is dunno? [00:13] i want to run a command in when i clap my hands [00:14] I'd try the voice recognition stuff personally [00:14] that may work [00:16] i can record a "clap" sound? [00:16] maybe [00:16] i expect it would work [00:16] only one way t find out though [00:16] how i can do it? [00:18] gnome-voice-control [00:18] !gnome-voice-control [00:18] ali1234: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [00:18] ~gnome-voice-control [00:18] !info gnome-voice-control [00:18] Package gnome-voice-control does not exist in precise [00:20] i dunno, maybe we don't have any software for that [00:20] according to tomshardware, it is built in [00:20] in 12.04 [00:21] i'm on 12.04 with unity [00:29] CMU sphinx? === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [02:48] ali1234: you awake and happen to know things about RFID/NFC? [02:48] i know something about it [02:48] fun :) [02:49] so, I'm trying to get my phone to act as my capital one credit card [02:49] my phone can read it, and the data seems to be in exactly the same format as a mag stripe, so there's no query/response security as far as I can see [02:49] so? [02:49] my question is, do you know if it's possible for the phone to pretend to be an rfid tag like the card? [02:50] I seem to be getting mixed messages from the internets about this [02:50] depends on phone [02:50] galaxy s3 : [02:50] :p [02:51] NFC is a superset of RFID [02:51] I see [02:51] so anything RFID can do, NFC can do too? [02:52] but on a mobile phone you wont have any access to drivers [02:52] contactless payment cards are not NFC though [02:52] or rather, they are a super set of NFC [02:53] o.O [02:53] well, my phone seems to be able to read all the data no problem [02:53] except for the ones that are not anything at all to do with NFC [02:53] how do you know it's all the data? [02:53] ali1234: I don't for 100%, but it sends out a full magstripe data packet [02:53] so I don't think there would be a need for any more data, and it makes sense that they'd use the existing spec [02:54] NFC is a two way protocol [02:54] it is, but I don't think it's used here in any secure way [02:55] you just probe the card, and get this reply http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_stripe_card#Financial_cards [02:56] so unless there is any additional packets (why?, all the required data is provided) then it should just be as simple as that [02:56] account number, name, PVK? [02:56] yup [02:57] I read all that data off my card using my phone [02:57] all that stuff is written on the card [02:57] i mean literally written on the face of the card [02:57] yep [02:57] it's all you need though, it's the same thing they use in magnetic stripe payments [02:57] yeah [02:57] it's probably enough [02:57] indeed [02:58] they limit those transactions [02:58] yea, £20 iirc [02:58] so maybe [02:58] £20 limit for NFC, but I still think it'd be cool to be one of the first in the country to go by a mcdonalds with my phone :P [02:58] you;re far from the first [02:58] one of the first :( [02:58] i know people who've tried to do it [02:58] an failed [02:59] hehe [02:59] turns out, it's really fiddly and annoying [02:59] with the official software, you have to enter a PIN on the device [02:59] yea [02:59] then you get like 10 seconds to swipe [02:59] \o/ [02:59] ali1234: I've heard that the pin can be optional, it's not a hardware requirement [03:00] probably [03:00] so you can probably do this, i guess [03:00] yay \o/ [03:00] now I just have to keep trying to figure out how, haha [03:00] get the barclays or whatever app for NFC payments, and reverse engineer it [03:00] that's already been done [03:00] it depends on a funky orange sim card, as it uses hardware in the sim card instead of the phones built in nfc [03:01] just to be assholes and not let anyone else use it, yay vendor locking. [03:01] http://www.ccsinsight.com/blog/orange-quick-tap-gets-off-to-a-slow-start [03:01] yeah. you don't need the sim card to decompile the code though [03:01] then just examine the APIs it uses [03:02] all you need to do is find a rom which contains it and rip it out and then load it up in IDA or whatever [03:02] hehe [03:02] heh, that blog over a year old [03:03] google wallet does it too, and might be a bit better to inspect instead [03:03] since it's less fragmented [03:03] only NFC phone i have is symbian [03:04] hehe [03:04] the other uglyhack idea I had was to buy a tiny NFC chip and just put it inside my phones case [03:04] and clone my card onto it [03:04] oh, and NFC doesn't work because i downgraded it to the PR1.0, because later version get terrible battery life [03:04] lol [03:04] yeah that idea has already been done [03:05] indeed :P [03:05] some bank got tired of waiting for NF phones, so they just sent out stickers that you stick on your phone. it's just a mini credit card [03:05] you could just put your credit card... inside the phone [03:05] I tried that but it didn't fit :( [03:06] i'll have to see if i can blag some real NFC phone and some of the test cards [03:07] sounds fun [03:07] maybe i can hack together a reader with arduino [03:07] any idea what frequency they use? [03:08] none at all xD [03:10] http://www.nxp.com/products/interface_and_connectivity/nfc_devices/series/PN532.html [03:11] hehe [03:11] package type: SOT618 [03:11] well, that blows [03:12] :< [03:13] http://www.adafruit.com/products/364 [03:14] they want your money :P [03:15] it's a little bit pricey [03:15] but it's only like £30 [03:15] hehe [03:15] the layout is kind of uneccessarily large [03:16] i'd like to get a breakout like that with bluetooth and NFC [03:16] i'm pretty sure they come in one chip these days [03:16] hehe [03:17] I'mma have to go to sleep for now anyway, will stab more at this tomorrow :D [03:17] nn and ty :) [03:37] hmmmmmm... BFL is the next bitcoin scandal? [05:19] Azelphur: smaller! https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9875 [05:20] Azelphur: also, modern phones have NFC, mine can read parts of Oyster cards (all of it if I had the secret keys) [07:18] EOG has a bug. PNG's working fine, but JPG's have problems. http://wobbo.nl/ubuntu/ [07:21] are these jpegs ok: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Test/xhtml-print/20050519/tests/A_2_1-BF-01.htm [07:52] Only the last one works. [07:52] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Test/xhtml-print/20050519/tests/jpeg444.jpg [07:53] odd. are you using 12.10? [07:53] beta? [07:53] Nope [07:53] can you upload the broken jpeg, to rule out corrupted downloads? [07:54] imagebin.org will do [07:54] The problem is only when i with EOG. Firefox/Chrome/Opera are fine. [07:57] corruption always looks the same if you open the file again? [07:58] All jpeg are broken if i whats it whit EOG. [07:58] All the 3000 files. LoL [07:59] so if you close the file and open it again, is the corruption the same, or does it move around? [07:59] If i open it whit GIMP there are no problems. [08:00] In Nautilus all the images look greet. [08:00] it looks like memory corruption [08:01] is your system fully updated? [08:02] yes [08:02] and its new [08:03] has it always done this or did it start recently? [08:03] there is a update got eog which i don't have. installing it, then i will retest [08:04] recently [08:05] More than 1 or 2 months. [08:07] Another reason kan we my screen: http://wobbo.nl/ubuntu/Schermafdruk-01.jpg [08:07] ah [08:07] i bet it is a video driver problem then [08:07] 3 monitors... ati by any chance? [08:08] Yep [08:08] every ati card i've ever used has had graphical corruption like that [08:08] For example wine: WoW works ok. [08:08] usually it affects the whole picture in my experience [08:09] mmm... [08:10] well i updates and eog still works fine [08:10] What is the best alternative EOG? [08:11] Thanks for your time! [08:11] i suggest testing with the alternative driver for your card [08:11] also test without the screen rotated [08:11] then report a bug with all these results [08:16] Thanks! === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:11] Good Morning All [09:12] * pinky- suspects alcohol poisoning for the channel quietness [09:12] morning morning [09:13] moring [09:13] the house is coooold this morning [09:13] pinky-: how you? [09:13] I left the heating on all night and woke up in a swaet [09:13] sweat [09:13] but I'm doing good.. you? [09:14] I'm looking forward today towards the F1 [09:14] i'm probably going to drive into london [09:14] maybe watch a movie [09:14] where's the F1 today? [09:14] cool [09:14] Singapoor [09:14] oooh [09:14] pore [09:14] my wife is from singapore [09:14] she'll want to see that [09:14] good morning everyone. [09:14] lucky you! [09:15] good morning brobostigon [09:15] pinky-: i'll tape it now so she can see :) [09:15] morning brobostigon [09:15] good morning pinky- and mattt [09:15] mattt, atm its only playing on the BBC Red Button but it plays later today on BBC1 [09:15] Hi peeps :) [09:16] Good Morning bigcalm[mob] [09:17] Jello [09:17] nicotine and caffine time here [09:17] :) [09:17] agreed pinky- [09:19] sorry guys, this is a smoke free channel [09:19] morning [09:19] ok I won't mention again, poit taken [09:19] point* [09:20] sorry [09:20] pinky-: nono [09:20] i just meant, no smoking in here :P [09:20] any ideas, where i can find england crime statistics.? [09:20] I'm so used to chatting on Efnet where nothing is off-topic, I must try harder on Freenode [09:21] pinky-: i don't think people mind if you chat about smoking [09:21] but i think swearing and some things are off limit [09:21] since we have younger people come in and out for help [09:22] brobostigon: i remember looking at some sites in the past, but can't remember URLs :-/ [09:22] mattt: ok, thanks. [09:22] ! Ohmy [09:22] Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. [09:23] Talking about having a fag is fine I'd say :) [09:23] me too [09:23] BUT NO SMOKING IN THE CHANNEL ITSELF [09:23] :) [09:24] Hah. How would you tell? [09:25] anyone use irccloud.com? [09:25] and if so, do you have an invite to spare? :) [09:26] What would that be then? [09:26] bigcalm[mob]: a persistent browser-based irc 'client' [09:27] I see [09:27] it's developed by some of the original last.fm guys [09:27] and looks really nice [09:31] I came to Freenode for backtrack and ended up staying here, just thought I'd mention so peeps knew [09:31] just saying [09:32] Right, time to visit the south coast. Toodles [09:32] I really like this UK channel [09:32] o/ bye for now [09:39] pinky-: backtrack? [09:41] yeah penetration testing distro [09:41] morning [09:41] they have a channel here #backtrack-linux [09:42] brobostigon: office of national statistics [09:42] http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/taxonomy/index.html?nscl=Crime+and+Justice [09:43] ali1234: thank you. [09:48] also on Efnet I used to idle and help out at time in #egghelp and there is a sister channel here with all the same users from Efnet so I styaed for that also [09:48] lot's of peeps in there I already know [09:49] so things don't seem so strange [09:49] egghelp? like "how long does it take to boil an egg?" [09:49] hehe [10:05] now people know why I got the ex-chat thingy wrong yesterday;) [10:07] but I learnt so all is good [10:07] XChat/ [10:07] hehe [10:07] ok I'm going to idle now, bbl [10:10] i'm idling off a hangover this morning :0 [10:10] uh :0 → :) [10:29] davmor2: ello [10:30] davmor2: who does one poke re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1054460 [10:30] morning pretties [10:30] Error: Could not gather data from Ubuntu for bug #1054460 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054460). The error has been logged [10:30] \o christel [10:30] morning christel [10:33] \o/ morning <3<3 [10:34] :) === SirCrispinTheJew is now known as RaycisCharles [10:48] mornin [10:49] \o [10:49] o/ MartijnVdS [10:49] elfy: ello [10:50] hi czajkowski :) [10:50] morning everyone else [10:50] elfy: so where are you based again ? [10:50] My most difficult decision right now is whether to buy yet another hard disk. I feel quite lucky in this regard. [10:50] czajkowski: between southampton and bournemouth [10:50] again my geography of UK isn't so great, everthing north of London is The North [10:50] ahh down south [10:50] dwatkins, for RAID? [10:50] I at leasat have been to southhampton [10:50] yep :) [10:50] pinky-: no, although I do manually mirror stuff [10:50] and spent a week down in Dorset [10:51] I try not to czajkowski ... [10:51] soo pretty down there and very laid back [10:51] and they do like their clotted cream ! [10:51] I have a couple external USB-attached disks, and am running out of space - I either buy yet another 3 TB disk, or start again and build a little server. [10:51] czajkowski: yea I remember you say - I like Dorset - yes it is laid back down here - downside where I am is there's not much work ... [10:52] :/ [10:52] I like anyone's clotted cream ;) [10:52] less good [10:52] not a lover of cream at all [10:52] yep - but such is life [10:52] except oddly enough in a sponge cake but fresh cream not clotted [10:52] oh - I'm a lover of anything that's got some fat in it :p [10:52] elfy: are you currently working? [10:53] nope [10:53] been there for a long time [10:53] got some fingers in pies though [10:53] since June [10:53] ah good to hear [10:54] yeah tok me a good few months as well [10:54] if I wanted to work in what they delightfully call the 'care industry' I could get 5 jobs tomorrow [10:54] mmmpie. [10:54] always pie christel [10:54] or pasties [10:54] always! [10:55] i had a beautiful rump steak and stilton pie at sweeney & todd's i reading last night [10:55] it was scrumptious [10:55] sounds lovely :) [10:55] nods I know of someone who's trained to work in a lab but hasnt gotten a job sinc eshe gradeduated 2 years ago and is now working in a old folks home doing care work. [10:55] but as she said a jobs a job and least she's earning [10:55] yep [10:56] I'm not sure that the little old dears would take kindly to a 6'4" 16 stone bloke :) [10:57] probably well [10:57] what do you want to do? [10:57] lol [10:57] 6'4 you said? i'll take one [10:57] ha ha ha [10:57] AlanBell: I'm looking for work as a wireman - there are some locally turned up within the last couple of days - so that's good [10:58] elfy: what's a wireman? [10:58] wiring harnesses - that sort of thing - did my training with BAe [10:59] ahh [11:00] czajkowski jamesw has already directed it to the team but it won't be looked at till Monday [11:00] davmor2: thanks === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:01] w00t F1 is starting on BBC1HD, back in 3 hours. [12:02] was already there waiting pinky- [12:02] I was watching Practise sessons on the Red Button before [12:02] * SuperEngineer sets Pidgin status to "watching F1" [12:05] Practice* [12:06] noun [12:13] Ooh f1 [12:14] why didn't you say so :) [12:14] F1: teams forced being used to a set of tyres supplied by vendor saying this what you will use today; teams being forced to used fuel developed by an outside body with no choice; main objects liable to crash at any momemt soon; controlled by a super rich oligarch.... [12:14] hmmm... Formula Windows? [12:16] the difference between F1 & Windows.... humans [and commentators like EJ] [12:19] Does Paul Thurott still exist? [12:22] jacobw: the man from Del Google, he say yes [12:28] and this years Darwin award goes to... http://tinyurl.com/d5mg6kj [from BBC US news] [12:34] can't be a darwin award :( he's still able to reproduce [12:35] given a few assumptions [12:38] jacobw: ;D [13:03] * popey wonders if gord is in far away lands [13:05] * SuperEngineer shouts "gord" out of window.... nope - he's not in Gloucestershire [13:08] [but some bloke saying he created all things told me to stop speaking cockney] [13:11] AlanBell and Anyone else out there ..., Hi there, Just some quick news ... we've set-up a monthly local Ubuntu user LUG meeting in our area. Mr Shuttleworth and others have expessed an interest in attending. I was wondering how best to use the oppourtunity ?? [13:16] cool [13:16] are you in the IOM? [13:19] Yes , How did you guess ?? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=-4.48287391662598&minlat=54.1477584838867&maxlon=-4.48278045654297&maxlat=54.1478652954102 [13:20] Where no. 13 ... [13:23] excellent [13:23] bootlknvf, ask him if he'll do a talk? [13:23] I'm expecting people with beards ! [13:23] hey everyone [13:23] poepey, OK.. [13:24] **popey [13:24] hi Knightwise [13:24] hey popey :) [13:24] who ever said osx was easy should try making a bootable usb drive for ubuntu :) [13:24] Hi did a talk for the local TV station , so I don't seev why not ... it's on archive if you want me to find it ?? [13:26] Found it .... http://www.manx.net/tv/mt-tv/isle-of-man-news-archive-search?query=shuttleworth [13:28] * bootlknvf drinks his cuppa ... [13:34] * popey verifies some SRUs [13:40] http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/09/22/1319216/ubuntu-will-now-have-amazon-ads-pre-installed?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [13:41] Here is a collection of aggregsted links from dozens of chat rooms for your pleasure (from the last month) http://goo.gl/NqFwJ [13:41] do you know (or are you) https://twitter.com/isleofmandan [13:42] AlanBell, Yes, I just spoke with him ... Do you ?? [13:42] only on twitter and mailing lists and such [13:43] Oh Ok .. Well we are meeting up every 3rd saturday of the month ... not sure how to prepare ... and everything ?? [13:45] Well I would suggest making sure there is internet and power and tea and coffee and biscuits or cake [13:45] and line up someone to talk about something, or some general topic each month [13:48] AlanBell, Power - check . Tea - check. Coffee - check, Biscuits - Will buy some, Cake - Will buy some [ Kipling ?? ] , Internet - Noncheck ... we have internet but only through CAT5 cable until someone knows how to sort out the Mess of a Legacy setup we have at the moment [13:49] you can ask people to bring cake and stuff too [13:50] bootlknvf, when is the meeting? [13:50] AlanBell, The first talking topic will be "How to get the Isle of Man Linux User Group on the Net " as only 2/3 people will be attending .. we have a project to use contemporary websites to establish the group... [13:50] popey .. its 3rd saturday of every month . [13:51] are you aware of lug.org.uk? [13:51] they/we can host a website for you.. like iom.lug.org.uk, and a mailing list if you need it [13:51] yup, do that [13:51] http://iom.lug.org.uk/ looks like you already have one :) [13:51] We've already done that .. [13:51] We need to change the website though.. [13:52] Next meeting 20th October 2012 .. [13:52] just before the Quantal release [13:52] what is the venue? [13:52] bootlknvf, i can fix that for you :D [13:52] popey , Is " lug.im " abit too silly or should we consider it ??? [13:53] i dont think it matters [13:53] people obsess far too much about things like domain names [13:53] when in fact what really matters is having the meetings and making them successful [13:53] AlanBell, Check 14 : 19pm above [13:53] yeah, that is a grid ref, what kind of place is it? [13:54] It's an office [13:54] With a big board room for chats & coffee etc. [13:56] for anyone curious about the security on the wireless credit cards, it's bad xD [13:56] http://goo.gl/maps/8Tllp this one [13:56] I was looking into it last night with the goal of using my phone in place of my card, I found that my phone can easily read my card, and here's an example packet (with scrambled numbers of course) http://pastebin.com/FAD5j6bG [13:57] things that are scary, that. [13:57] AlanBell, Sorry I could only find the map ref thingy .. No picturesw really .. wait let me try flickr .. [13:58] bootlknvf: Nadine house? [13:59] AlanBell, Yep [13:59] very nice location :) [13:59] Thank-you , I used to live there actually .. 4 six years. until I moved out. [14:01] AlanBell, Just curious but how did you find out it was Nadine House ?? Did it say straight away .. or did you do some digging ???? [14:01] http://goo.gl/maps/8Tllp says on the front of it [14:03] Ahh yes .. excellent I forgot about streetview .. yes the meeting will be on the 1st floor behind the flagpole .. [14:05] great, maybe do some posters/flyers for libraries/colleges http://spreadubuntu.org/ [14:05] At some point I'm going to suggest to the group about putting a webcam on the bottom-end of trhe flagpole to get people to use it as a premium webcam service .. as some people as absolutely obsessed about the IOM for some reason .. this is to generate income for the group . [14:05]