[02:14] <tizz> ah ha!
[03:12] <ramprasadgk> http://pastebin.com/PZrg0AvZ
[03:12] <ramprasadgk> someone pls take a look
[03:20] <ramprasadgk> i am having terrible time with ubuntu
[03:20] <ramprasadgk> or rather broadcom wireless on ubuntu
[03:22] <v1adimir> sry no wireless here
[03:23] <ramprasadgk> hmm
[03:23] <v1adimir> uhh 'here' as in @ my box :s
[03:27] <ramprasadgk> got it
[03:27] <ramprasadgk> thats okay...109 people in room :)
[03:27] <ramprasadgk> sorry 108 who might have wirell
[03:28] <ramprasadgk> wireless*
[03:28] <ramprasadgk> where are you from.? what time is it there.. its a lovely morning here
[03:29] <v1adimir> it's gonna be morning in belgrade real soon hehe
[03:30] <ramprasadgk> thats good
[03:31] <ramprasadgk> whats new
[03:31] <ramprasadgk> why do use *buntu
[03:32] <v1adimir> i'm still exploring it, but 12.04 is the first distro that installed with no problems and did what i needed + the firewall :)
[03:33] <ramprasadgk> ok..
[03:33] <ramprasadgk> NO problems is good thing
[03:33] <ramprasadgk> welll btw, if you can let me know
[03:33] <ramprasadgk> where can i downlaod package to install vlc
[03:33] <v1adimir> i ran fedora for a long time (long ago) and got (very) fed up with it :s
[03:34] <ramprasadgk> i have this link http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=vlc
[03:34] <ramprasadgk> but you know i dont have info on diff versions of *buntu
[03:34] <ramprasadgk> fed up..?
[03:35] <v1adimir> yea pretty much sick of it
[03:35] <v1adimir> =)
[03:35] <ramprasadgk> i use GNU Linux, i built it from core
[03:35] <v1adimir> vlc is in the software center, but you can get it @ http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html
[03:35] <v1adimir> oic hm
[03:36] <ramprasadgk> firstly i dont have internet on my linux box, if i have to do  i need to download from my other windows system and install
[03:38] <v1adimir> not sure for custom builds, but you could try a repo like https://launchpad.net/~videolan/+archive/master-daily
[03:38] <v1adimir> (except idk what the stable one is)
[03:39] <ramprasadgk> ok thanks
[03:39] <ramprasadgk> i have this parole
[03:39] <ramprasadgk> it does require lot of codecs decoders
[03:39] <ramprasadgk> cant find one
[03:40] <ramprasadgk> there is no one place to get them
[03:40] <v1adimir> yeah it sucks :)
[03:40] <ramprasadgk> so i decided to for vlc
[03:40] <v1adimir> audacious and vlc are like the first things i install
[03:43] <ramprasadgk> oh well
[03:43] <ramprasadgk> custom building vlc is ugly
[03:44] <ramprasadgk> how abt audacious is there any neat manual download install
[03:44] <v1adimir> not sure :S
[04:33] <ramprasadgk> i dint get nay help here
[04:33] <ramprasadgk> but havent lost hope
[04:33] <ramprasadgk> asking one more Q
[04:33] <ramprasadgk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:34] <ramprasadgk> i ahve got latest xubuntu installed , which one to install from the list in the link to play mp3 files?
[04:34] <ramprasadgk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:54] <ramprasadgk> this chaneel is dead
[05:54] <ramprasadgk> http://pastebin.com/PZrg0AvZ
[06:33] <XATRIX> hi guys, i have a problem with changing my keyboard layouts, i set "Change Keyboard layout" to Ctrl+shift in panel applet, and it works, but after i reboot my machine, it switches back to Alt+Shift... How can i make it remember my shortcut ?
[09:15] <xubuntu854> hello
[09:15] <knome> hullo
[09:17] <XATRIX> hi guys, i have a problem with changing my keyboard layouts, i set "Change Keyboard layout" to Ctrl+shift in panel applet, and it works, but after i reboot my machine, it switches back to Alt+Shift... How can i make it remember my shortcut ?
[09:41] <wcapio> hi guys, xdfe puts the file names on my desktop in a little rounded corner block... how can I switch that off?
[09:41] <TheSheep> wcapio: what is xdfe?
[09:42] <wcapio> xubuntu desktop manager, not? owww i mean xfce
[09:42] <wcapio> :| sry
[09:42] <Mathias> :P
[09:43] <wcapio> do you guys know what I mean or should I rephrase?
[09:55] <TheSheep> wcapio: https://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/howto-remove-the-borders-of-your-desktop-icon-text/
[10:01] <wcapio> tnx
[10:01] <wcapio> does xubuntu 12.04 have gtk2, though?
[12:14] <XATRIX> is it possible to install and use "yum" instead of apt-get ?
[12:15] <marky_boi> hi people , having issues getting VBoxClient to run at startup, where would be best to start ?
[12:18] <recon_tv> XATRIX: I don't think so, probably break loads of things. the packet manager would be a core app
[12:23] <recon_tv> XATRIX: why would you want to change it?
[12:24] <marky_boi> @ dr_willis sent a PM
[12:29] <XATRIX> recon_tv, just familliar to yum
[12:29] <XATRIX> was curious is is possible to use it
[12:30] <recon_tv> XATRIX: well it's pretty easy to use apt-get, if you have questions just ask here :)
[12:34] <recon_tv> markky_boi: have a look at http://www.linuxhomeserverguide.com/server-config/phpVirtualBox.php , but since you dont know how to wait I guess you'll miss this lol
[12:36] <recon_tv> XATRIX: just remember that apt-get is .deb based and yun is .rpm based , they dont mix
[13:38] <jrmy> I'm not able to get to my login screen
[13:38] <jrmy> good thing I know about irssi
[13:39] <holstein> so, you can login just fine then... what about starting x from the command line? do you get any errors?
[13:39] <jrmy> I'd copy my boot screen but I have no idea how
[13:39] <jrmy> it does fail on one of them
[13:39] <jrmy> don't know how to start x
[13:39] <jrmy> and I thought it was called xorg
[13:40] <holstein> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man1/startx.1.html
[13:41] <jrmy> how do you load a webpage without a gui?
[13:41] <jrmy> but no it does not boot properly
[13:41] <recon_tv> jrmy: just type startx on the commandline
[13:41] <holstein> jrmy: well, you could do it in a curses web browser.. but you could also ask 'how do i start x' and i would say .. type startx
[13:42] <jrmy> it trys and goes to tty1.. instead of the login screen
[13:42] <holstein> you'll be interested in the errors after you type "startx" and hit enter
[13:42] <recon_tv> jrmy have you changed anything recently, did it work before?
[13:43] <holstein> i usually try booting the last kernel that worked well, if this is after a system upgrade
[13:43] <recon_tv> yep, was a kernel update yesterday
[13:44] <jrmy> that made me freeze
[13:45] <jrmy> but yes it would appear that it isn'r working
[13:45] <holstein> jrmy: startx? or the earlier kernel?
[13:45] <jrmy> I think the time I restarted my computer mid boot 'cause the problem
[13:45] <holstein> jrmy: it being, startx to start the gui isnt working?
[13:45] <jrmy> this is what is crashing
[13:46] <jrmy> caused*
[13:46] <jrmy> yes x is crashing for some reason
[13:46] <recon_tv> jrmy: I would be surprised if stopping a boot would cause these problems
[13:46] <jrmy> kind of a noob here...
[13:46] <recon_tv> jrmy: I take it you could log in yesterday?
[13:46] <jrmy> I hit my restart button on my case
[13:46] <jrmy> hard reset*
[13:47] <holstein> i would do an fsck if i thought forcing rebooting had damaged the filesystem
[13:47] <jrmy> last time wa the last time I could login no prob
[13:47] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1980351 suggests sudo touch /forcefsck to get fsck on reboot
[13:47] <recon_tv> jrmy: did you install updates ?
[13:47] <jrmy> yeah recently
[13:48] <recon_tv> jrmy: do you know if you use property video drivers?
[13:48] <jrmy> yes
[13:48] <jrmy> which work
[13:48] <holstein> an upgrade could have broken that... and you could try the last kerne easy enough jrmy
[13:48] <recon_tv> jrmy: I guess that new kernel + property video driver = broken login
[13:48] <jrmy> perhaps
[13:49] <holstein> i would just boot the last kernel and confirm that in a few seconds
[13:49] <jrmy> but without a real diagnostic we won't know what the problem is
[13:49] <jrmy> how do I do this anyways?
[13:49] <holstein> jrmy: that would be quite diagnostic.. reboot with the older kernel.. if it boots, you know its likely the kernel upgrade
[13:49] <holstein> jrmy: this? boot the older kernel?
[13:50] <jrmy> I did have the problem before hand though
[13:50] <jrmy> but I leave my computer on almost all the time
[13:50] <jrmy> so.. I do what now?
[13:51] <holstein> jrmy: before what?
[13:51] <jrmy> I also have a dual boot setup with windows 7
[13:51] <recon_tv> what key gets the boot menu up?
[13:51] <holstein> jrmy: i would boot the older kernel
[13:51] <jrmy> is it in the boot menu?
[13:51] <holstein> jrmy: it being the kernel?
[13:52] <jrmy> I hope we both assume we're talking about the same thing, that being the kernel
[13:52] <holstein> jrmy: i would like to assume nothing
[13:52] <holstein> jrmy: i want to test and know waht "it" is..
[13:53] <holstein> the grub menu will show the kernels.. you will see the older ones under the "previous" entry listed there
[13:53] <jrmy> then "it" is nothing based on that statement as I'm only referring to what you might be talking about
[13:53] <holstein> you should see the lates kernel.. and the recovery version under that.. then, right under that you'll see "previous"
[13:53] <holstein> you'll find the last kernel that worked there
[13:53] <jrmy> ok
[13:54] <jrmy> brb
[13:54] <recon_tv> jrmy: any if it does work, change back to the standard drivers
[13:58] <jrmy> guess the new kernel is incompatible
[13:58] <recon_tv> jrmy: switch back to the standard video drivers would be a start
[13:59] <recon_tv> jrmy: I assume you got to login with the older kernel
[13:59] <jrmy> yes
[13:59] <jrmy> how do I use default drivers?
[13:59] <jrmy> not that I want to...
[14:00] <jrmy> I much rather need them to play minecraft
[14:01] <recon_tv> jrmy: Menu-> settings -> additional drivers
[14:01] <jrmy> hah, ya know, if I knew how to revert to the old drivers I could of saved reinstalling my os all those times
[14:02] <jrmy> is there perhaps updated drivers or does it always update?
[14:03] <jrmy> I know amd updates ccc everynow and then
[14:03] <jrmy> well catalyst rather
[14:03] <recon_tv> jrmy: maybe, I'd set it to the standard ones first and try reboot just to make sure they are working, if that works you could try the property drives again
[14:04] <jrmy> not sure if you're typoing or not
[14:04] <jrmy> propietary
[14:04] <recon_tv> :-[
[14:05] <jrmy> but anyways, I'll try removing the drivers booting with the updated kernel and reinstalling the drivers
[14:05] <jrmy> is there a way to remove them from the shell?
[14:05] <jrmy> I'd rather not reinstall again.. that's just idiotic
[14:06] <recon_tv> jrmy: one step at a time
[14:07] <jrmy> sorry I just find all the bs I have to go through with linux and trying to fix it all a little overwhelming
[14:07] <jrmy> I'd rather have more knowledge
[14:07] <recon_tv> jrmy: it's the same with all computers :)
[14:07] <jrmy> I'm much more accustomed to windows
[14:07] <jrmy> easy street there
[14:08] <jrmy> well brb
[14:13] <jrmy> ok so propietary drivers are a no go from this current look out
[14:14] <jrmy> but then again.. maybe it could be something else
[14:14] <recon_tv> o well, how is mine craft doing in the open drivers?
[14:14] <jrmy> I hardly feel it worth not using my 1GB video card
[14:14] <jrmy> all of*
[14:15] <jrmy> lets see
[14:16] <recon_tv> jrmy: the problem is with the video card producers, if they cared a little more about their uses the drivers would work on all systems
[14:16] <recon_tv> users*
[14:18] <recon_tv> just keep that in you mind next time you buy a computer :)
[14:18] <jrmy> for one it won't even let me play in fullscreen
[14:18] <jrmy> nor can I use the resoultion 720p
[14:18] <jrmy> buy... or build
[14:19] <jrmy> I bought amd based parts
[14:19] <jrmy> haven't checked the fps though
[14:19] <recon_tv> jrmy: what video card you got? probably just have to file a bug report and watch it being ignored by amd
[14:20] <jrmy> HD 5770
[14:21] <jrmy> yeah I get half fps without the drivers
[14:21] <jrmy> I'd rather play on windows again at this point
[14:21] <jrmy> sucks I didn;t grow up with linux
[14:21] <jrmy> I would of much rather
[14:22] <recon_tv> when did you last update your drivers, seems the last Catalyst release was 8/15/2012
[14:23] <jrmy> heck if I know
[14:23] <jrmy> probably a few months ago
[14:23] <jrmy> maybe half a year back?
[14:23] <jrmy> I set up a dual boot.. and didn't really do anythign with my distro
[14:24] <jrmy> thought I'd give linux another go. got bored with it.. and I decided to come back as the only game I was playing any more was minecraft. so I figured what was the point of using windows?
[14:25] <jrmy> but, once again I get problems left and right
[14:25] <recon_tv> jrmy: so what OS do you want to use?
[14:25] <jrmy> seems whenever I want to customize things I get problems.. idk mayeb xubuntu isn't the distro for me
[14:25] <jrmy> linux
[14:26] <jrmy> I'm tired of windows..
[14:26] <recon_tv> jrmy: well, when you go custom the learning starts :) the price of freedom
[14:27] <jrmy> I just preferred xubuntu because I like using the shell and xfce's shell looks cooler
[14:27] <jrmy> more customizable too
[14:27] <jrmy> or at least it is on xubuntu
[14:27] <jrmy> that and I like the look and feel over gnome
[14:28] <jrmy> but road blocks show up as the manpages for ubuntu don't always help me with xubuntu.. I assume it's the enviroment difference
[14:28] <recon_tv> jrmy: well the video card problems would have hit in any distro
[14:28] <jrmy> or whatever xfce and gnome are called
[14:29] <jrmy> about all I knw with the shell is a little bit on looking at directories, apt-get commands like install, update and upgrade, and how to use nano and irssi
[14:29] <jrmy> 'bout it
[14:30] <jrmy> well I found out how to play nethack with telnet.. but yeah
[14:30] <XATRIX> guys, how can i make my set my keyboard layout switch shortcut to ctrl+shift ?
[14:31] <jrmy> I think i'll try activating the drivers again.. and if it doesn't work again I'll repeat the last steps up till now.. bbl
[14:32] <XATRIX> every time i have to set it up to ctrl+shift again
[14:33] <XATRIX> it automatically set to Alt+shift
[14:35] <recon_tv> XATRIX: probably in setting manager somewhere, knowing that it's Alt+Shift as default helps, how do you change it ?
[14:39] <XATRIX> i'm changing via "Keyboard layouts" applet on my XFCE Panel
[14:40] <XATRIX> But it always reverts to default (Alt+shift) after i restart
[14:43] <recon_tv> XATRIX: have you opened the "keyboard input method" in "system settings", did it install the ibus deamon
[14:44] <jrmy> if I wanted to use an older kernel what would be the down sides?
[14:44] <recon_tv> jrmy: I'd suggest try installing the latested driver, and checking the does to see if it works with kernel 3.20-31
[14:44] <recon_tv> installing*/downloading
[14:45] <recon_tv> jrmy: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx
[14:45] <XATRIX> yes it wants to
[14:45] <XATRIX> but not installed yet
[14:45] <recon_tv> XATRIX: so let it
[14:46] <jrmy> a link isn't very useful atm.. I'm currently in the test of the new kernel with the propietary drivers.. which it did not work
[14:46] <recon_tv> XATRIX: actually I just guessing here, but I think this is the answer
[14:46] <jarnos> Firefox is soo slow in my computer. X takes a lot of CPU in normal use.
[14:47] <recon_tv> jrmy: well you'll have to use the standard driver till you find a update that works
[14:47] <jarnos> In 11.04 chromium used to work fast, but in later releases it keeps crashing.
[14:48] <recon_tv> jrmy: so check what version of catalyst you got now again the latest version
[14:48] <jarnos> What is wrong? Is my hardware unsupported?
[14:49] <recon_tv> against*
[14:49] <xubuntu239> Hello, can someone tell me where I can find configuration files for Xubuntu-desktop ? The program associated with hyperlinks is wrong and I want to change it. Thank you.
[14:50] <recon_tv> XATRIX: did that help any?
[14:50] <jrmy> recon_tv: how do I check with a command?
[14:52] <recon_tv> jrmy: I don't have any property drivers so can't really guide you, i'd expect it to be shown in "addition drivers"
[14:53] <jrmy> I don't have a gui to use atm
[14:53] <recon_tv> jrmy: it'd be quicker for you to boot back into last know kernel, switch to open driver and reboot
[14:54] <XATRIX> recon_tv, no idea... it just started a new tray icon, i put a setting to , maybe next time i reboot i will see it
[14:55] <recon_tv> XATRIX: sure, wont know till you reboot, but I have hi hopes :)
[14:55] <recon_tv> high*
[14:56] <XATRIX> )
[14:57] <recon_tv> xubuntu239: have a look for xubuntu-default-settings , probably a hidden file in you home dir
[15:00] <xubuntu239> recon_tv: Ok, I will look at files of this package.
[15:01] <recon_tv> xubuntu239: it's not a package, it's a setting file on you harddrive
[15:01] <recon_tv> jarnos: what hardware are you using, ubuntu version ect
[15:03] <recon_tv> afk of a bit. :)
[15:03] <jarnos> recon_tv, 12.04 (upgraded from 11.10), Some AMD Athlon XP CPU, VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 420] (rev a3)
[15:06] <xubuntu239> recon_tv: I have a package with that name installed, but no file...
[15:09] <drc> xubuntu239: App Menu>Settings>Preferred Settings
[15:09] <drc> er...Preferred Applications...sorry
[15:10] <ramprasadgk> http://pastebin.com/PZrg0AvZ
[15:11] <ramprasadgk> can someone have sol for my wireless problem
[15:12] <ramprasadgk> everything seems ok , but no wlan0 device on ifconfig
[15:12] <ramprasadgk> http://pastebin.com/PZrg0AvZ
[15:13] <xubuntu239> drc: The problme is that I have a lot of bad stuff in the list proposed in Settings>Preferred Settings and I want to edit this list. But I don't know where it is stored.
[15:15] <drc> xubuntu239: " I have a lot of bad stuff in the list...."  There are only 4 items there, what's the problem?
[15:17] <xubuntu239> drc: I have add more items and several have the same name, it is a big mess. I just want to clean up and keep the good one.
[15:20] <recon_tv> xubuntu239: in file manager, go into the view menu as check "show hidden files" then open your home folder and look in .config
[15:20] <drc> xubuntu239:  Take a look at ~/.config/xfce4/helpers.rc
[15:21] <recon_tv> found my hat and am off for my walk, good luck , bbl
[15:26] <XATRIX> recon_tv, just did reboot, seems like it's working ;) thanks
[15:28] <jrmy> ok so I installed the latest drivers from amd's website using a guide I googled
[15:28] <jrmy> which is fine but I really don't know much about the commands
[15:28] <jrmy> and it works with the current kernel
[15:29] <jrmy> I howeever don't even know how to access the control center as an administrator.. just clicking it in the menuy don't work.. and apparently amdcccle isn't the command
[15:29] <jrmy> I noticed this sh command which I might want to know more about but whatever
[15:29] <jrmy> anyways.. prob solved.. thanks for the help
[15:30] <bricot> hi, thunar 1.2.3 (xubuntu 12.04) does not show any files from my home dir: »/home/bricot/.gvfs«: socket not connected. What's wrong?
[15:34] <ramprasadgk> http://pastebin.com/PZrg0AvZ
[15:39] <ramprasadgk> http://pastebin.com/PZrg0AvZ
[15:39] <ramprasadgk> http://pastebin.com/PZrg0AvZ
[15:39] <ramprasadgk> http://pastebin.com/PZrg0AvZ
[15:39] <knome> ramprasadgk, stop repeating
[15:40] <ramprasadgk> i read soemwhere world's most active open source irc is *ubuntu
[15:40] <ramprasadgk> this channel sucks
[15:41] <knome> !attitude | ramprasadgk
[15:43] <ramprasadgk> yes, ofcourse, i ahve been waiting since  3 days for workable soln
[15:43] <ramprasadgk> this is not the same as perlmonks.org
[15:43] <ramprasadgk> where i almost get reply instantly i provide soln too
[15:44] <knome> yes, but solutions aren't always available even if you waited three weeks
[15:44] <ramprasadgk> oh yeah than *ubuntu skz
[15:44] <knome> ramprasadgk, (x)ubuntu is not perl
[15:44] <knome> ramprasadgk, fix your attitude or i'll have to remove you from the channel
[15:45] <ramprasadgk> oh yeah.. doent matter
[15:45] <ramprasadgk> doesn't*
[15:45] <knome> irc isn't the only method to get help, see: http://xubuntu.org/help/
[15:45] <knome> very well, noted.
[15:46] <ramprasadgk> i have queried on all forums
[15:46] <ramprasadgk> but no reply
[15:54] <bricot> My problem seems to be the same as in this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/754618
[15:55] <bricot> Are there any workarounds?
[15:57] <xubuntu159> salut
[15:59] <xubuntu159> hello
[15:59] <recon_tv> !hi | xubuntu159
[16:07] <recon_tv> bricot: have you considered using nautilus till the bug gets fixed?
[16:13] <bricot> Yes I do. I'm also successful to do: sudo umount /home/bricot/.gvfs
[16:14] <bricot> But the problem is not all my users are able to do that.
[16:16] <bricot> This bug seems to be over a year old. That's why I'm asking for a better workaround, or better, a solution for maybe 12.10.
[16:20] <recon_tv> bricot: I hear you, but the bug only just got confirmed status. bit passed me though. I was wary of encrypted home folders even given my high level of paranoia :)
[16:20] <recon_tv> bricot: car you reproduce it ?
[16:20] <recon_tv> car/can*
[16:23] <bricot> All I can say at the moment is that it happens from time to time. So my answer is no unfortunately. I'm not sure what triggers this issue.
[16:24] <recon_tv> bricot: try logout and back in again, no reboot
[16:25] <bricot> That didn't help, but unmounting did (following the bug report). I just had to restart Thunar to see my home directory.
[16:26] <recon_tv> bricot: I want to see if we can produce the bug on demand, only way a fix is likely if we can reproduce the bug on demand
[16:26] <bricot> recon_tv: I agree.
[16:30] <recon_tv> bricot: the trigger described is to logout to gdm and back in again, does that reproduce the bug?
[16:32] <bricot> recon_tv: I'll leave know and try it out. Unfortunately I'm a Ubuntu convert and switched back to lightdm, because I don't like gdm. But I have another netbook with gdm in place. I'll be back soon.
[16:33] <recon_tv> bricot: well, just try it on the system that you having the issue on, I only said gdm because thats what the report said
[16:43] <bricot> recon_tv: I can reproduce that bug: every *second* login on that machine with the encrypted home (lightdm, 64-bit). My netbook does not show this bug (Plain Xubuntu with gdm, no encrypted home, 32-bit). Both 12.04.
[16:44] <recon_tv> bricot: on the machine you can reproduce it on, is the home dir on a different partition to the root
[16:45] <bricot> recon_tv: no.
[16:48] <recon_tv> bricot: well, now that you can reproduce it I suggest you add your findings to the bug report with all the software and version numbers etc , then try get some interest from the ubuntu+1 and xubuntu+1 channels.
[16:49] <bricot> recon_tv: ok, I'll try.
[16:49] <recon_tv> bricot: sorry but this is as far as my knowledge can get us :)
[16:50] <bricot> recon_tv: thanks anyway!
[17:11] <snikendei> haha... så ProjectX, nettopp. Måtte se den etter episoden i nederland. Dette må prøves! Noe som har ett hus og låne bort? =)
[17:12] <snikendei> obs. wrong place
[17:14] <Mathias> snikendei: lol :P
[19:06] <Gimpette> Two fold question, please:  I know how to install fonts to Gimp.  What I don't know is where the gazillion and half system (?) fonts that show up on my Gimp font list came from or how to go about safely removing them; if not from the system at least from my list of fonts in Gimp.  I don't want to have to scroll through a few hundred fonts I don't want in order to get to the ones I do.  Any suggestions?  Thanks!
[19:08] <knome> Gimpette, it should be safe to remove if you don't need them, eg. if they're not used in the interface, or you don't need other than western/korean/etc fonts
[19:09] <Gimpette> Is there a way that I can just remove them from the Gimp list so that I don't risk screwing something up system-wise?
[19:10] <Gimpette> I didn't add any of them myself so I am assuming some interface or something somewhere must want them for them to have gotten on my machine in the first place.
[19:10] <knome> hmm, i'm not sure - i afraif not
[19:11] <knome> nope, xubuntu has quite a lot of fonts installed by default for convenience for non-western users
[19:13] <Gimpette> Do you know of a list anywhere that specifically states which fonts are safe to remove and which aren't?  I know you mentioned some, but I don't know which fonts are used in interfaces and which aren't.
[19:22] <knome> Gimpette, see apps -> settings -> settings manager -> appearance -> tab fonts
[19:23] <knome> and ... settings manager -> window manager -> tab style (title font)
[19:23] <knome> those are the ones you don't want to remove
[19:23] <knome> afaik others are safe to remove
[19:24] <knome> well, you probably don't want to remove all serif fonts, all monospace fonts etc..., but there's no reason why you couldn't remove any
[19:24] <knome> and if something seems to break, you can always revert and reintroduce the fonts you need
[19:37] <Gimpette> Ok, those are set to sans and sans bold respectively.  There is a font manager somewhere for easy removal, isn't there?
[19:39] <knome> no, at least not installed by default
[19:39] <knome> oh, and you don't want to remove the default terminal font either.
[19:42] <Gimpette> Ok, thanks much for the help.  I see that I previously installed Fontmatrix but it looked rather too complicated for the time I had available to devote to figuring it out so I just left it.  I guess I'll just have to knuckle down and look at it again.  Thanks.
[19:42] <Gimpette> Where can I find out which font is the default for the terminal, do you know?
[19:57] <Marzata> Gimpette: we use Ubuntu Mono, coz renders zero and O differently
[20:03] <Gimpette> @Marzata:  Thanks, I'm fine with how everything is rendering now; I'd just like to take out the fonts I won't use in design projects without breaking anything.  Looking into a different font manager now.  This shouldn't be this complicated, I wonder why there isn't a simple one for idiots installed by default.  :)
[20:07] <knome> Marzata, who we?
[20:08] <knome> Gimpette, right-click terminal -> preferences -> tab appearance to check out the terminal font you are using
[20:10] <Gimpette> I don't have a preferences option when right clicking; only properties and tab appearance isn't there.  Maybe I'm not in the right place.  Will look some more.
[20:10] <knome> Gimpette, are you using xfce4-terminal?
[20:10] <Derpian> Hey, I try to change my full name in Users and Groups under System and it does not change at all
[20:10] <Gimpette> Found it!  Thanks!
[20:10] <knome> Gimpette, np
[20:12] <Gimpette> Have been trying out Font Manager and it appears to easily allow for reactivation so I'm going to try clearing that font list out some; thanks again!
[20:17] <Derpian> Fixed it, ran sudo usermod -c "NAME IN THE QUOTES" username
[20:34] <Guest26049> I'm trying to install Xubuntu with a LiveCD but it keeps failing to install the bootloader...
[20:35] <Guest26049> I thought /dev/sda would be it
[20:35] <Guest26049> /dev/sda2 is windows vista loader...if that's relevant
[20:40] <Guest26049> hello?
[20:40] <xubuntu850> Hello , I have a question concerning xubuntu-12.04.1, which I just installed,
[20:41] <Guest26049> I cannot install the bootloader, can anybody help?
[20:42] <mongy> Guest26049, what errors do you get.  and /dev/sda is correct.
[20:43] <Guest26049> I have a screenshot
[20:43] <Guest26049> how can I send it?
[20:44] <xubuntu850> The video,settings, when I installed it, it said it could not find the video type, and I was not sure what type I had, or to select. Is there a way to change this after the install, ? If so how.?
[20:44] <Guest26049> that will show you what I'm looking at
[20:44] <mongy> no dcc here.  use imgur or sometihng.
[20:45] <Guest26049> here
[20:45] <Guest26049> http://imgur.com/RM0XI,IRORD,KISLm
[20:46] <mongy> are you booted into the livecd now
[20:46] <Guest26049> yes
[20:48] <mongy> mount your xubuntu partition..  sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt
[20:49] <Guest26049> ok now what? do I run the install Xubuntu again?
[20:49] <mongy> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
[20:50] <Guest26049> says installation finished. No error reported
[20:50] <Guest26049> should I be good to go?
[20:51] <mongy> hmm, ok try it.
[20:51] <mongy> run sudo update-grub once you booted into it, if it works.
[20:52] <Guest26049> into what?
[20:52] <Guest26049> linux?
[20:53] <Guest26049> or do I run it now?
[20:53] <Guest26049> in liveCD
[20:53] <mongy> sorry, yes, reboot and it 'should' load xubuntu by default.
[20:54] <Guest26049> ok but I'm dual booting, would I be able to boot into windows as well?
[20:54] <mongy> once you run sudo update-grub in the newly booted xubuntu
[20:54] <Guest26049> ok ill try it now
[20:54] <mongy> if all ese fails you can always use windows repair to repair.
[20:54] <mongy> ese=else.
[20:56] <xubuntu850> Hello ?, I have a question ,..
[20:57] <TheSheep> xubuntu850: shoot
[20:58] <xubuntu328> HI
[20:58] <xubuntu850> ok, I just installed xubuntu-12.04.1 on a very old computer, I did not get the settings for the screen correct,and am wondering if there is a way to change them after the install ?
[20:58] <xubuntu328> Xubuntu 12.04.1 is very easy to use
[20:58] <TheSheep> xubuntu850: settings->display
[20:58] <eddi3x3> I wasn't able to boot xubuntu
[20:59] <eddi3x3> -_-' I got the black screen with grub>
[21:00] <eddi3x3> so what's the grub command I need to execute to get xubuntu up and running
[21:00] <eddi3x3> it's on /dev/sda6 if I remember correctly
[21:00] <xubuntu850> Ok, So that is in the Settings > display,..thanks
[21:00] <mongy> eddi3x3, does fdisk report the active partition as sda6 ?
[21:00] <TheSheep> eddi3x3: how did you try to boot it?
[21:01] <mongy> marked with a *
[21:01] <eddi3x3> I'm not in linux right now
[21:01] <eddi3x3> I'm at the boot loader screen
[21:01] <eddi3x3> grub>
[21:02] <eddi3x3> that's all I get
[21:02] <TheSheep> eddi3x3: is that a usb pendrive?
[21:02] <eddi3x3> nope
[21:02] <eddi3x3> I took off the pendrive
[21:02] <TheSheep> eddi3x3: cd?
[21:02] <eddi3x3> to boot into the hard drive
[21:02] <mongy> boot live again, and pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg and also sudo fdisk -l
[21:03] <TheSheep> do you have any message before the grub>?
[21:03] <eddi3x3> not really, just a welcoming bootloader
[21:03] <mongy> TheSheep, he had bootloader install error after install, and I got him to run grub-install manually, without error...
[21:04] <mongy> TheSheep, so must be something small stopping it, like active partition or grub.cfg maybe
[21:04] <TheSheep> OK, sorry, I won't butt in
[21:04] <eddi3x3> I well I ran the live CD and I clicked
[21:04] <eddi3x3> "boot from first hard drive
[21:04] <eddi3x3> looks like it found the xubuntu partition
[21:05] <eddi3x3> I can ls and I see /dev /home /etc/
[21:05] <eddi3x3> all that good stuff
[21:05] <mongy> TheSheep, go ahead.. I've got to head out soon.
[21:05] <TheSheep> mongy: I have to go to bed
[21:06] <eddi3x3> rebooting now o.o I hope I'm not left alone
[21:06] <mongy> eddi3x3, ok
[21:07] <eddi3x3> im in liveCD now
[21:07] <mongy> Im not really a grub guy.  I'm syslinux
[21:07] <mongy> eddi3x3, mount your root/boot partition then...
[21:07] <eddi3x3> mount /boot?
[21:07] <mongy> pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg and output of sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[21:08] <mongy> eddi3x3, since you only have 1, it's root.  sda6
[21:08] <eddi3x3> says cannot open /dev/sda
[21:09] <mongy> odd.
[21:09] <mongy> sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt
[21:09] <mongy> sudo fdisk -l
[21:10] <eddi3x3> ok that worked
[21:10] <eddi3x3> I got a star next to /dev/sda2
[21:10] <mongy> ok sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[21:11] <mongy> I think it's 'a' to set bootable
[21:11] <eddi3x3> ok
[21:11] <mongy> set it to the relevant xubuntu
[21:11] <eddi3x3> now what?
[21:11] <mongy> 'w' to write
[21:12] <eddi3x3> which partition?
[21:12] <eddi3x3> sda6
[21:12] <mongy> yes
[21:12] <mongy> I would have thought grub would have set it when installing.. hmm
[21:12] <eddi3x3> then what?
[21:12] <eddi3x3> type w?
[21:12] <mongy> can you paste your /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:12] <mongy> yes
[21:12] <mongy> w should write and exit disk
[21:12] <mongy> fdisk
[21:13] <eddi3x3> ok
[21:13] <eddi3x3> now I have 2 stars
[21:13] <eddi3x3> one in sda2 and another in sda6
[21:14] <mongy> ok, back into fdisk lol
[21:14] <mongy> 'a' to unset bootable from sda2
[21:14] <mongy> 'w'
[21:15] <eddi3x3> ok
[21:15] <eddi3x3> now only /dev/sda6 has a star
[21:15] <eddi3x3> /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg doesn't exist
[21:15] <mongy> can you paste your /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:16] <eddi3x3> wait
[21:16] <eddi3x3> yea
[21:16] <eddi3x3> grub.cfg is no where to be found
[21:17] <eddi3x3> but the directory is there in liveCD
[21:17] <eddi3x3> well actually hard drive
[21:17] <eddi3x3> since we mounted it to /mnt
[21:17] <mongy> hmm.
[21:17] <mongy> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda                   again
[21:17] <mongy> ah.. I wonder if grub package is installed.......
[21:18] <eddi3x3> installation finished
[21:18] <eddi3x3> should I check if grub is installed or something?
[21:18] <mongy> is there a grub.cfg now?
[21:18] <eddi3x3> still have no grub.cfg
[21:18] <mongy> sorry..
[21:18] <mongy> erm...
[21:19] <mongy> there probably won't be until you update grub
[21:19] <mongy> right... try reboot see what happens.
[21:19] <eddi3x3> so what do I have to do?
[21:19] <eddi3x3> how do I update it?
[21:19] <eddi3x3> okey dokey
[21:19] <eddi3x3> reboot I shall
[21:20] <mongy> out of curious, what does your fstab say?
[21:20] <mongy> sorry, /mnt/etc/fstab
[21:20] <eddi3x3> opps
[21:20] <eddi3x3> I already rebooted
[21:20] <eddi3x3> =-/
[21:20] <eddi3x3> I'm back to grub command line
[21:21] <mongy> back to livecd then
[21:21] <eddi3x3> can't I just boot the kernel from here?
[21:21] <mongy> a chroot it is then....
[21:22] <mongy> eddi3x3, maybe could, but I'm not really a grub, or even xubuntu guy.. I just hang around still from where I did.
[21:22] <eddi3x3> well first I need to know where the kernel is
[21:23] <eddi3x3> ok
[21:23] <eddi3x3> liveCD it is
[21:24] <mongy> eddi3x3, this problem isn't strictly xubuntu, so you could ask in #ubuntu.
[21:25] <mongy> anyway... here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot
[21:26] <mongy> mount your partition and go from step 8
[21:26] <mongy> you could apt-get install grub2 or is it grub-pc in ubuntu ( i dunno) to make sure it's installed properly at least.. then run install and update commands.
[21:29] <eddi3x3> wait
[21:29] <eddi3x3> what?
[21:30] <eddi3x3> fstab only has 2 things
[21:30] <eddi3x3> ext4 partition and swap
[21:30] <mongy> sounds right...   point to sda6?
[21:31] <mongy> well, will point to UUID but will say 'was on sda6'
[21:32] <eddi3x3> I don't see sda6
[21:32] <eddi3x3> anywhere
[21:35] <mongy> hmm
[21:35] <mongy> paste it
[21:35] <mongy> that could stop it booting if configured wrong.
[21:35] <mongy> well, it will, lol.
[21:38] <eddi3x3> give me a second here
[21:40] <eddi3x3> ok I am chrooted
[21:41] <mongy> I'm sorry dude, can you head into #ubuntu, I'm sure someone will have your back, it's a grub issue, not xubuntu... I have to head out.
[21:41] <eddi3x3> grub-install --recheck /dev/sda gave me an error
[21:41] <eddi3x3> gave me cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?)
[21:42] <mongy> is sda6 mounted?
[21:42] <mongy> did you do for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[21:42] <mongy> then sudo chroot /mnt
[21:42] <mongy> I see someone got this.. :)
[22:22] <eduardo> how can I make a launcher for gnumeric so it launches a specific file when you click on it?
[22:24] <GridCube> eduardo, add a new custom launcher
[22:24] <GridCube> and put it like gnumeric /path/to/file
[22:27] <eduardo> but what if the directory has a space between names?
[22:27] <eduardo> like Google Drive
[22:28] <eduardo> it doesn't find that directory
[22:28] <knome> eduardo, gnumeric "/path/to/file with spaces"
[22:28] <eduardo> Google_Drive doesn't work either
[22:28] <eduardo> for example
[22:29] <eduardo> gnumeric %U /media/Vista64/Users/Eduardo/Google Drive/LIMO RESERVATIONS
[22:29] <erkan^> ubottu,
[22:29] <eduardo> doesn't work
[22:29] <erkan^> !ubottu Quarel
[22:29] <GridCube> quarel?
[22:29] <GridCube> !info quarel
[22:29] <eduardo> it thinks it's 2 different directories
[22:29] <GridCube> eduardo, you are trying to pass an empty space
[22:30] <erkan^> oesp
[22:30] <erkan^> !ubottu quantal
[22:30] <GridCube> use "" to encapsulate the path or use /Google\ Drive/
[22:30] <GridCube> !quantal
[22:32] <GridCube> eduardo, also check that all directories have the proper cases, maybe its not "Users" but "users" those are two different directories
[22:33] <eduardo> this is what I have
[22:33] <eduardo> gnumeric /media/Vista64/Users/Eduardo/Google\ Drive/LIMO\ RESERVATIONS.xls
[22:33] <eduardo> and it won't recognize it
[22:34] <eduardo> gnumeric /media/Vista64/Users/Eduardo/Google\ Drive/LIMO\ RESERVATIONS says unsupported format
[22:34] <eduardo> but if I open it in gnumeric, it works just fine
[22:34] <eduardo> this is the full path
[22:35] <GridCube> make a shortcut to the desktop, dragand drop the file to the desktop with the right clic, create a link
[22:35] <GridCube> drag the link to the panel
[22:36] <eduardo> what?
[22:37] <GridCube> no i tried that and it didnt work
[22:38] <eduardo> i know right?
[22:39] <GridCube> eduardo, this works, right clic the file you want to open, go to send to: and create a link on the desktop
[22:39] <eduardo> i did that
[22:39] <GridCube> move the shortcut to your home
[22:39] <eduardo> and it didn't work either
[22:39] <eduardo> wait create a link to desktop, like my linux desktop
[22:39] <eduardo> and THEN move it to home
[22:39] <eduardo> and then back to desktop?
[22:40] <xubuntu205> hi
[22:41] <xubuntu205> I installed xubuntu 12.04 with encrypted home
[22:41] <GridCube> and create a launcher that calls it, like "gnumeric /home/name/link.xls"
[22:41] <GridCube> it will open the symlink
[22:41] <GridCube> but that will point to the original file anyway
[22:43] <xubuntu205> if I login as guest the desktop load immediately but if I use my profile I must wait 90 seconds unitl the desktop is loading
[22:44] <GridCube> thats the encryption i would guess
[22:44] <xubuntu205> it is a core2duo 2Ghz
[22:45] <xubuntu205> why does it take so long?
[22:45] <xubuntu205> could I fix that, without deactivating encryption?
[22:46] <eduardo> got it working
[22:46] <eduardo> thanks
[22:49] <Tsavo> SSH into a fresh install of Xubuntu (12.04.1) suddenly having the Connection closed. -v flag reveals: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1213903/  usual fixes involving /etc/hosts aren't working
[22:49] <Tsavo> oops sorry
[23:06] <xubuntu205> does anyone know something I can try? is this an xfce problem?
[23:23] <xubuntu205> hm...