[05:06] <mikhas> Riddell, can we finally get this into KUbuntu/KDE properly: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=265452#c21 -- with all the dependencies packaged, too, so that Kyle can finally enjoy predictive text?
[05:06] <mikhas> shadeslayer, ^
[05:08] <shadeslayer> mikhas: looking
[05:11] <shadeslayer> mikhas: iirc Quintasan was looking into maliit
[05:11] <mikhas> right
[05:11] <mikhas> but I never know what the status is
[05:11] <mikhas> because 1. no one updates the bug report, 2. I have no time to do it myself
[05:12] <mikhas> (3. I lack the Plasma/KDE specific knowledge for proper integration anyway.)
[05:25] <shadeslayer> hm, afaik he did have some updates, but will be away this week because he is moving
[05:25] <shadeslayer> I'll remind him to update the bug report
[05:27] <shadeslayer> mikhas: emailed him to update the bug report
[05:29] <mikhas> thanks!
[05:43] <jussi> shadeslayer: oh shadeslayer, where art thou!!?
[05:44]  * jussi coughs in shadeslayer's general direction with https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307302
[05:44] <jussi> shadeslayer: I m able to repeat that bug with no issues.
[05:45] <jussi> happens everytime
[06:02] <shadeslayer> jussi: heh, I was playing with my really old laptop and my TV :P
[06:02] <jussi> shadeslayer: not acceptable, you need to respond to me withing 30 secconds :P :P
[06:02] <shadeslayer> saw your mail on the telly
[06:02] <shadeslayer> was going through the bt, but the font is a wee bit small
[06:03] <jussi> lol
[06:04] <shadeslayer> otoh reading planet.kde.org and planet.ubuntu.com is such a pleasure
[06:12] <shadeslayer> jussi: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9p32xopiqmzta5o/IMAG0330.jpg
[06:12] <shadeslayer> text is blurry in that pic though
[06:13] <jussi> :D
[06:14] <shadeslayer> mikhas: the onscreen keyboard on W7 is amazing :O
[06:20] <jussi> shadeslayer: picture? 
[06:21] <shadeslayer> sec
[06:22] <shadeslayer> jussi: I can't reproduce your crash
[06:23] <shadeslayer> atleast not on 0.5
[06:23] <mikhas> shadeslayer, it is
[06:23] <jussi> shadeslayer: you fail
[06:23] <jussi> shadeslayer: I can reproduce everytime
[06:23] <shadeslayer> :P
[06:23] <shadeslayer> jussi: https://www.dropbox.com/s/655z817nnzut1m4/IMAG0331.jpg
[06:24] <soee> hi
[06:24] <jussi> hi soee
[06:24] <soee> software-center ubuntu-desktop - can i remove safely this ?
[06:44] <skreech__> soee: I guess
[06:59] <soee> shadeslayer, 
[06:59] <soee> upgrade 12.04 => 12.10
[06:59] <soee> Could not install 'libjbig0'
[06:59] <soee> The upgrade will continue but the 'libjbig0' package may not be in a working state. Please consider submitting a bug report about it.
[07:00] <soee> how important is this package ?
[07:08] <soee> same with libtiff5
[09:20] <Riddell> soee: how did you upgrade?
[09:20] <soee> Riddell, followin the website instructions
[09:21] <soee> abyway looks liek apt-get -f install after upgrade solved the problem
[09:21] <soee> it install them with :i386
[09:25] <Riddell> those libraries are being transitioned to new versions, I guess that's not complete yet
[09:25] <Riddell> but it'll need to be for this week's beta for sure
[09:25] <Riddell> morning Mamarok 
[09:25] <Mamarok> morning Riddell :)
[09:25] <Mamarok> greets from Randa
[09:26] <Riddell> Mamarok: legs good enough to travel on?
[09:26] <Mamarok> yes, since quite some time, this is 3 months now already
[09:26] <Riddell> excellent
[09:27] <Mamarok> only thing that will bother me for another year or so is going downstairs, can't do the movement right because of the nuts and bolts inside the leg
[09:27] <Tm_Tr> Mamarok: good to hear you're getting better (:
[09:28] <Mamarok> Tm_Tr: thanks :)
[09:51] <Tm_T> Mamarok: going to UDS?
[09:51] <Mamarok> Tm_T: no, as I didn't get sponsored
[09:51] <Tm_T> Mamarok: not even Kubuntu-sponsored?
[09:52] <Mamarok> Tm_T: I didn't make a request for that as I think the money is better spend on developers
[09:53] <Tm_T> roger
[10:25] <mah454> Hello 
[10:26] <mah454> KDE have delay login sound !
[10:26] <mah454> i must wait for some second (10 - 15 S) for hear KDE login Sound ! 
[10:26] <mah454> How can fix this problem ?
[10:32] <Riddell> mah454: #kubuntu for questions generally
[10:33] <mah454> Riddell: do not answer to my Question ! :(
[10:39] <valorie> mah454: this channel isn't for user support, sorry
[10:40] <mah454> ok
[12:44] <BluesKaj> HIyas all
[12:50]  * Darkwing waves
[12:51] <Riddell> Darkwing: I don't support you remember how to generate the .pot files for kubuntu-docs?
[13:29] <Darkwing> I wrote a script for it...
[13:29] <Darkwing> it sould be in /scripts
[13:30] <Darkwing> kubuntu-docs/scripts
[13:30] <Darkwing> Riddell: ^^
[13:31] <Riddell> yep, got it
[13:34] <Darkwing> Sorry, I'm back on mobile for a couple weeks.
[13:41] <ScottK> Anyone have an opinion if these symbol changes are problematic? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/116989540/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-amd64.libdbusmenu-qt_0.9.2-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:50] <debfx> ScottK: they are harmless
[13:50] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.
[13:51] <debfx> qt3 removal is only blocked by inguma and lsb :)
[13:51] <ScottK> lsb got uploaded though, right?
[13:52] <ScottK> And inguma's a removal?
[13:53] <debfx> nope, lsd-desktop still depends on qt3
[13:53] <debfx> we should probably file a RM bug for inguma in Debian
[13:57] <Riddell> dpm: here's the kubuntu docs as they stand including the .pot files starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-docs_12.10.1.tar.gz
[13:57] <Riddell> dpm: are you able to take the .pot files and get them into launchpad?
[13:57] <Riddell> or is there another layout I should be giving them to you?
[14:05] <dpm> Riddell, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1224552/
[14:05] <dpm> can't seem to be able to download it
[14:06] <Riddell> dpm: try now
[14:07] <dpm> Riddell, I can open it now, but I can't find the .pot files
[14:07] <Riddell> dpm: e.g. kubuntu-docs-12.10.1/docs/hardware/po/kubuntu-docs-hardware.pot ?
[14:07] <dpm> actually, I can find them, but I've got a question:
[14:09] <Riddell> what's that?
[14:10] <dpm> sorry, just a sec, I'm looking at the current 12.04 templates in LP
[14:12] <dpm> Riddell, so the templates in the tarball seem to match what's on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/kubuntu-docs (I haven't checked them all, though). So I think the layout is fine. So the questions I've got are only: why do we need to upload them manually (i.e. would an upload to precise-proposed not do?)? Why do we need a .1 update of the templates?
[14:13] <Riddell> dpm: kubuntu-docs is now in universe so I don't think it'll appear automatically in launchpad after an upload
[14:14] <Riddell> dpm: the .1 is just the version number for the first upload, it's not an update
[14:14] <dpm> Riddell, ah, sorry, I was reading 12.04.1, my fault
[14:14] <dpm> all clear now
[14:17] <dpm> Riddell, we've got a feature to enable universe translations for selected packages in LP. You can simply add the changes required to the package (scroll to the bottom of the page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Universe_Translations_in_LP) and do the upload. Then LP will take care of importing the .pot files. You can have a look at banshee and gnome-panel for packages where we've enabled this feature
[14:17] <Riddell> dpm: oh interesting
[14:18] <dpm> Riddell, a caveat: bug 1048556 - but I don't think it affects the docs packages, as the translations need to be fetched manually from LP as usual, and are not shipped in the language packs
[14:20] <Riddell> dpm: ok I'll just do that
[14:20] <dpm> cool
[14:20] <dpm> Riddell, let me know when you've done the upload, so that I can accept the templates the first time round in the translations imports queue
[14:28] <ScottK> debfx: Sorry.  I was confused.  I was mis-remembering the alsa-tools upload as lsb.
[14:51] <xnox> ScottK: alsa-tools accepted by cjwatson. No lsb upload as far as I can see.
[14:52] <xnox> And please cherry-pick a patch from debian to drop qt3 depends in lsb, instead of removing it.
[14:52]  * xnox is not familiar with lsb package at all... maybe ask on #ubuntu-devel ?!
[14:55] <Riddell> it's not an upstream source, it's mostly a meta package, not something that can be patched as such
[14:55] <Riddell> dpm_: uploaded
[14:57] <dpm_> Riddell, thanks, I'll keep an eye on the imports queue and accept them when I see them
[14:58] <Riddell> oh it'll be in unapproved so I don't know when that'll be
[15:11] <ScottK> debfx: If you want to go ahead and fix the inguma Recommends in Ubuntu, please do so.  Waiting on Debian is probably pointless.
[15:11] <ScottK> Removed scim-bridge.
[15:37] <ScottK> Upload done for libdbusmenu-qt FTBFS.
[15:58] <debfx> ScottK: well the fix would be package removal
[15:59] <ScottK> debfx: Oh.  I'll do that then, but I thought it just recommended Qt3.  Is that wrong?
[16:05] <ScottK> Meh.  Doing.
[16:06] <debfx> ScottK: it could be fixed but the package is obviously unmaintained
[16:06] <ScottK> OK.  It's gone.
[16:09] <debfx> I guess we have to wait for lsb until after the beta release?
[16:12] <txwikinger> This amazon ad thing.. is that only a unity thing, or does it have an effect on kubuntu?
[16:19] <debfx> no, that's just a unity dash feature (or anti-feature)
[16:19] <txwikinger> So it is automatically on if you have unity installed? 
[16:20] <txwikinger> I mean does it affect anything when you are in kubuntu desktop?
[16:22] <txwikinger> oh and also.. I think since I upgraded my kubuntu netbook to quantal, I have a guest login... is that automatically added?
[16:23] <ScottK> txwikinger: Yes.  We switched to light-dm and it came with that.
[16:23] <txwikinger> Well.. Not sure if I like that.. can you disable it?
[16:26] <Riddell> txwikinger: yes you can change it in system settings
[16:26] <Riddell> txwikinger: amazon feature doesn't touch kubuntu, it's part of unity
[16:28] <txwikinger> Ah found it Riddell.. thanks 
[16:30] <Riddell> txwikinger: how did you upgrade?
[16:30] <txwikinger> do-release-upgrade
[16:30] <Riddell> txwikinger: groovy, any problems?
[16:31] <txwikinger> Interestingly, I did it with both, my netbook and my laptop.. It seems only to be in the netbook
[16:31] <txwikinger> Nope not really
[16:31] <Riddell> excellent
[16:31] <txwikinger> I already had kde4.9 installed anyway
[16:31] <txwikinger> So I did not really see a lot of differences
[16:32] <txwikinger> Oh. yeah.. the quassel issue came up again.. Everytime I upgrade, quassel seem to lose the configuration
[16:32] <txwikinger> but that seem to be more a quassel than a kubuntu issue
[16:33] <Riddell> txwikinger: what all configuration?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> ScottK: re bug 1054084, who uploads it? me and then backporters approve? or someone from the backporters team?
[16:33] <txwikinger> the information where to find the core etc
[16:34] <txwikinger> Ah.. I see why my laptop is different.. I still run kdm, not lightdm apparently
[16:34] <micahg> shadeslayer: normally, the backporter uploads/accepts
[16:34] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[16:34]  * shadeslayer will wait for someone to upload then
[16:35]  * micahg wonders why ScottK just marked it as approved vs doing something with it though
[19:16] <shadeslayer> !find git-import-dsc
[20:05] <Saviq> ScottK, hey, if you have time, could you please take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/744812/comments/53 for a workaround for the Ubuntu Medium fonts and report back on the FFe bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-font-family-sources/+bug/1048600
[20:09] <Saviq> debfx_, you're probably interested, too
[20:23] <highvoltage> is there a policy when application don't have icons?
[20:23] <highvoltage> Rocs doesn't have an icon and it looks pretty ugly in the Edubuntu menus
[20:23] <highvoltage> would it be ok if we add something that looks more or less appropriate for 13.04 if the upstream authors don't have something yet?
[20:24] <highvoltage> or maybe we could at least do a call for submissions on their part and co-ordinate that with them.
[20:24] <highvoltage> I think I just answered my own question in part.
[20:24] <highvoltage> highvoltage: self-^5!
[20:25] <Riddell> highvoltage: add one for 12.10 if you can find one
[20:25] <Riddell> it's just like any other "patch", make sure to send it upstream
[20:26] <highvoltage> Riddell: it's too late for 12.10 though, isn't it?
[20:26] <Riddell> highvoltage: it's a bug fix, I'd be all for it
[20:27] <Riddell> Saviq: ah excellent
[20:27] <highvoltage> Riddell: ok great, perhaps I could whip something together that looks almost like the one on the wikipedia page on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_theory
[20:28] <highvoltage> hmm, maybe I could even make the graph spell an "R"
[20:29] <Riddell> highvoltage: I think graphics/icon.svg is intended to be the icon
[20:29] <highvoltage> ah! it wasn't there when I looked a few months ago
[20:32] <Riddell> Saviq: I'm thinking report it upstream then just throw it in the ubuntu package
[20:32] <Saviq> Riddell, I think it's more or less reported upstream, but that patch won't get upstream
[20:33] <Riddell> Saviq: why not?
[20:33] <Saviq> Riddell, 'cause it's a workaround
[20:33] <Saviq> https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-25814
[20:33] <Saviq> https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-27301
[20:34] <Saviq> the real issue is that Qt only has 5 weights, whereas the "industry standard" is 8
[20:34] <Saviq> so the real fix would be to implement the 8 weights in QFont
[20:34] <Saviq> but that requires digging in all the backends / platforms
[20:36] <Saviq> Riddell, unless you think that workaround could get upstream as a temporary measure
[20:37] <highvoltage> Riddell: so, adding "graphics/icon.svg usr/share/icons/Rocs.svg" will fix that, any objections against doing it like that?
[20:38] <Riddell> highvoltage: yeah that's fine I guess, might be an idea to check if there's a bug upstream to do it properly
[20:39] <highvoltage> ok
[20:42] <sladen> Saviq: it doesn't necessaryily require "digging in all the backends"  The enum is being used to generate a value 0..100 (in the case of Qt);  it's the granularity of that value into buckets on the backend that is sub-optimal (wrong) in the case of FC as the backend
[20:44] <sladen> There's a few issue.  (a) a Typo x2.  (b) asking for MEDIUM from FC, not REGULAR.  (c) the bucket mapping to/from.  This patch tries to fix the first two, and workaround the third without breaking the API.  And in the other half of the #if/#else provides a more thorough end solution for (c)
[20:49] <ScottK> micahg: What busy.
[20:50] <ScottK> Saviq: What's the upstream status of your Qt patch.  Did you ask to have it reviewed?
[20:50] <Saviq> sladen, yeah, that's true, backends could be fixed on a case-by-case basis
[20:51]  * ScottK finished reading the backscroll.
[20:51] <Saviq> ScottK, not really, no, never intended that to get upstream in that form
[20:51] <ScottK> Not in favor of distro unique 'work arounds' that have no hope of going away.
[20:51] <sladen> ScottK: anyone in particular?  or just  git blame  the original author (even if we're only going to distro ship it for this cycle)
[20:52] <ScottK> sladen: Why just for this cycle?  
[20:52] <ScottK> Unless someone's volunteering to write the correct fix, there's no reason to think it won't be indefinite.
[20:52] <sladen> ScottK: so that we can get the Enum expanded upstream for Qt 5.1
[20:53] <sladen> ScottK: the fix is already in that patch, behind  #if/#else  // Uncomment this after the API + Enum is fixed
[20:53] <ScottK> It'll be a lot more than one cycle before Qt 5.1 is the default Qt for anything.
[20:54] <sladen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/744812/+attachment/3335804/+files/fix_medium_font.diff  <-- 
[20:55] <sladen> ScottK: I can add more commentage to the patch if it's useful
[20:55]  * ScottK has to go.  Be back later.
[20:55] <ScottK> I think more about how we get out of this mess is more imporant.
[20:55] <highvoltage> ### debian_qt_kde.mk can only be used with packages (originally) maintained by
[20:55] <highvoltage> ### Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers, please read /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/README
[20:55] <highvoltage> does that mean I should let one of you guys get this?
[20:55] <Saviq> sladen, I'll put that patch and more info on the QTBUG
[20:56] <highvoltage> (filed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rocs/+bug/1055769 , btw)
[20:56] <Saviq> hoping for someone to review it
[21:00] <Riddell> highvoltage: no we're not precious, go ahead
[21:19] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1024402] Text cursor in wrong cell in calligrawords @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1024402 (by Jonathan Riddell)