[03:23] <jyc_> hello, does anyone here use the fglrx (proprietary ATI radeon) driver, and if so, do you have problems with updates in lubuntu?
[03:23] <holstein> i have had problems
[03:23] <holstein> not in linux... not isolated to lubuntu
[03:23] <holstein> some hareware is problematic
[03:23] <jyc_> holstein: oh, I see. how hard is it normally to resolve fglrx problems in lubuntu?
[03:25] <holstein> jyc_: nothing about ubuntu, linux or lubuntu is keeping ati from resolving those issues
[03:25] <holstein> jyc_: im not a gamer, so i have more relaxed standards
[03:25] <jyc_> holstein: wait, that's not what I'm asking about, I'm just asking about how easy it's been for you, as an end-user
[03:26] <jyc_> I'm not a gamer either, but I want to know if it's difficult to resolve problems with fglrx when they arrive
[03:26] <holstein> jyc_: they works how they work... i dont resolve anything
[03:26] <jyc_> in debian I've had to manually re-install fglrx with each kernel update, so I'm hoping ubuntu will be easier
[03:26] <jyc_> holstein: so you've never had problems?
[03:26] <holstein> jyc_: yes.. lots
[03:26] <ramprasadgk1> can i know frm all legends here what is the best lightweight music player for my 128 MB ram installed lubunntu
[03:27] <ramprasadgk1> can i know frm all legends here what is the best lightweight music player for my 128 MB ram installed lubunntu
[03:27] <jyc_> holstein: what I mean by resolve, is when the problem happens, how hard is it normally to fix it? I'm sorry if I wasn't clear
[03:27] <holstein> jyc_: but the proprietary blob gets reinstalled when you upgrade the knernel
[03:27] <jyc_> oh, that normally works well?
[03:27] <holstein> jyc_: that works every time
[03:27] <holstein> jyc_: i dont resolve.. i just deal, or move to the vesa driver... or change hardware
[03:28] <holstein> theres really no way to resovle the performance issues
[03:28] <jyc_> oh
[03:28] <jyc_> I'm still not sure what you mean (I don't really care about the performance issues), but thanks for your help
[03:28] <jyc_> I'll just try install fglrx and see how it goes, thanks!
[03:28] <holstein> sure.. it'll just roll up on the kernel upgraes
[03:28] <holstein> upgrades*
[03:28] <holstein> sorry i havent been clear
[03:29] <holstein> maybe you want to know waht issues? like full screen video playback
[03:29] <jyc_> oh no, just stuff like upgrading and basic functionality
[03:29] <holstein> screen artifacts
[03:29] <jyc_> oh
[03:29] <jyc_> there are problems with those?
[03:29] <holstein> resolution issues
[03:29] <holstein> jyc_: depends on the hardware support
[03:29] <ramprasadgk1> can i know frm all legends here what is the best lightweight music player for my 128 MB ram installed lubunntu
[03:29] <holstein> and we cant provide that support... we meaning linux in general
[03:30] <jyc_> hm, in that case I will still try and see how it goes :) I understand it's on ATI's part to fix their proprietary drivers. thanks once again
[03:30] <holstein> how do i deal? i usually try the open driver, the proprietary one, and vesa
[03:30] <ramprasadgk1> can i know frm all legends here what is the best lightweight music player for my 128 MB ram installed lubunntu
[03:30] <holstein> sometimes, its just "out of the box" easy...
[03:30] <ramprasadgk1> can i know frm all legends here what is the best lightweight music player for my 128 MB ram installed lubunntu
[03:30] <holstein> ramprasadgk1: you can just post once
[03:30] <jyc_> ramprasadgk1: don't people just normally use vlc or mplayer?
[03:31] <ramprasadgk1> vlc i sheavyweight
[03:31] <holstein> ramprasadgk1: i like VLC
[03:31] <ramprasadgk1> i need simple lightweight
[03:31] <holstein> theres a commandline version.. clvc
[03:31] <ramprasadgk1> i have vlc too but it is pretty low on my 128 ram lubuntu
[03:31] <holstein> audacious is lite
[03:31] <ramprasadgk1> audacious plays anything .. like vlc?
[03:32] <holstein> ramprasadgk1: i would expect a hit in functionality
[03:32] <ramprasadgk1> means
[03:32] <ramprasadgk1> as long as it plays evrything like .avi vob files
[03:32] <ramprasadgk1> i am fine
[03:33] <holstein> ramprasadgk1: i dont know if it does... VLC does, and i use it.. im confortable with the use of sysytem resources compared to functionality
[03:33] <ramprasadgk1> and alos my firefox goes for a toss when i start playing video on Utube
[03:33] <holstein> ramprasadgk1: audacious is an audio player
[03:33] <ramprasadgk1> oh
[03:33] <ramprasadgk1> so vlc is best i believe
[03:33] <holstein> ramprasadgk1: i would look at troubleshooting flash for the youtube issues...
[03:34] <ramprasadgk1> i had vlc for 2 reasons 1) it plays everything 2) i can stram youtube videos and save in local
[03:34] <ramprasadgk1> oh yeah flash sucks
[03:35] <ramprasadgk1> what do i troubleshoot in flash i got it from ubuntu software center
[03:36] <holstein> ramprasadgk1: on a 32bit system, i usually suggest trying the chrome browser, since it ships its own flash included.. then you'll know if its flash or firefox...
[03:36] <holstein> i usually add the "stable" firefox ppa
[03:37] <ramprasadgk1> where can i find that ppa
[03:37] <ramprasadgk1> pls let me know
[03:37] <ramprasadgk1> i dont like chrome simply because i love ff
[03:37] <ramprasadgk1> and dont want to change
[03:38] <holstein> ramprasadgk1: im nost suggestion you change.. im suggesting chrome as a troubleshooting step.. you install, all is good, you learn something
[03:39] <holstein> actually the firefox ppa's are abandonded.. you'll just get the latest upgrades is what i read
[03:39] <ramprasadgk1> 'ok
[04:06] <bioterror> holstein, MOC!
[04:06] <bioterror> holstein, it plays even SID's
[07:01] <tareef_> hi am form Arab country ... so am sorry for my English
[07:01] <tareef_> i have a problem with Lxkeymap
[07:02] <tareef_> am add the arabic layout with this command in terminal
[07:02] <tareef_> mkdir -p ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/  echo '@setxkbmap us,ar -option "grp:alt_shift_toggle"' >> ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart  setxkbmap us,ar -option "grp:alt_shift_toggle"
[07:03] <tareef_> i have the arabic layout
[07:04] <tareef_> but i need every login to Lubuntu
[07:05] <tareef_> to run this command again : setxkbmap us,ar -option "grp:alt_shift_toggle"
[07:05] <tareef_> to enable : alt+shift key to change between them
[12:30] <Danno_> are there any good on screen keyboards that work at the login screen? ive tried onboard but it doesnt work at login and it doesnt seem to have a lot of non alphabet characters
[13:46] <leszek> hi
[13:47] <LuvLinuxOS> hi all
[14:05] <holstein> bioterror: i should have suggested MOC, but i assumed a GUI was needed after clvc was not going to work
[14:20] <derpson> hi
[14:22] <bioterror> holstein, probably. but I trust in MOC ;)
[14:22] <bioterror> derpson, hi
[14:23] <bioterror> holstein, I always try some GUI stuff, but after all I end up back to MOC
[14:36] <entity999> Hello, my friend have lubuntu, but he don't have fmod, sound lib for many games, in his repos... I don't want to break his dependencies :) What should he add?
[14:38] <derpson> is anyone of you using lubuntu on a lenovo x230?
[14:38] <bioterror> derpson, too new hardware :-)
[14:38] <bioterror> we are mostly scraping from dumpster our hardware
[14:38] <derpson> can hardware ever be too new :-D
[14:39] <bioterror> entity999, maybe this: http://wiki.debian.org/FMOD
[14:39] <entity999> ahh... it will be hard to help him get through this
[14:40] <entity999> he's kind of... newb, and we only have communication via broken english
[14:40] <bioterror> those are called "challenges" :-)
[14:41] <entity999> haha :)
[14:41] <entity999> well, I guess there's no debs
[14:41] <entity999> thank you...
[19:41] <mrjobs> hello
[19:41] <mrjobs> WOuld Lubuntu run well on 512 mB ram
[19:41] <mrjobs> 2.1 ghz single core?
[19:42] <bioterror> I've seen people it running on systems with lower specs
[19:42] <mrjobs> oh
[19:42] <mrjobs> WOuld it run well?
[19:42] <mrjobs> It has NVIIDA fx 5200
[19:42] <bioterror> more RAM would not hurt
[19:42] <bioterror> but it will run
[19:43] <mrjobs> Would Skype work fine?
[19:43] <bioterror> no
[19:44] <mrjobs> why?
[19:44] <bioterror> it does not run fine, 20% of problems mentioned here are skype related :D
[19:44] <bioterror> and why? becouse skype is propietary software
[19:44] <mrjobs> wow
[19:44] <mrjobs> oh
[19:44] <tweakster> hi. I am doing an installation of Lubuntu from ISO on a desktop machine at home with two disks, one of which is empty and the other of which has Windows installed on sda1, a different Linux OS on sda2, sda3 and swap on sda4, and Grub is already installed on sda. I can see that it now wants to install its bootloader on sdb; however, I want it to put it on sda and overwrite the existing Grub if possible. Furthermore, I want t
[19:45] <mrjobs> where's the start button for Lubuntu?
[19:45] <mrjobs> the menu?
[19:46] <bioterror> tweakster, you can always install it on sda afterwards
[19:46] <bioterror> mrjobs, bottom left?
[19:46] <mrjobs> Not for me
[19:46] <mrjobs> I'm on a VM
[19:47] <tweakster> how does that all sound so far?
[19:47] <tweakster> did everything i sent show up?
[19:47] <bioterror> tweakster, no. your client do not understand the word limit of one line
[19:47] <bioterror> and continue the story on another line
[19:48] <mrjobs> it works
[19:48] <bioterror> "erwrite the existing Grub if possible. Furthermore, I want t"
[19:48] <tweakster> Furthermore, I want the other Linux overwritten and Lubuntu installed in its place with the same partitions and mount points. It seems to me that I should simply redefine sda2 and sda3 with mount points and formatting, leave sda4 swap as it is. If I tell the current installation program to put its bootloader on sda, not sdb, will it still recognize the separate Windows partition?
[19:52] <tweakster> does that all sound right?
[19:53] <bioterror> yes
[19:53] <bioterror> you take manual installation
[19:53] <bioterror> and you just over write the partitions
[19:53] <tweakster> yes
[19:53] <bioterror> it's not rocket science
[19:53] <bioterror> you dont even have to touch the swap partition
[19:53] <tweakster> as i said
[19:54] <tweakster> thanks for the input, bioterror
[19:54] <tweakster> i think
[19:54] <tweakster> :)
[20:48] <tweakster> well my installation of Lubuntu seems to have gone well enough. i'm glad of that.  is it normal for the cursor to appear continuously busy rotating afterwards? perhaps a reboot cures that?
[20:51] <bioterror> no, it's not normal
[20:51] <bioterror> but give reboot a shot
[20:51] <tweakster> i do like the LXDE interface for sure, and the response is crisp too, despite the older machine and limited RAM. I chose this OS for that reason primarily, and so far I am not disappointed.
[20:53] <tweakster> I may put the 64-bit version of it into a small VM on my laptop,too, at least for a while so that I can have it handy for practice, etc.
[20:54] <tweakster> well, hey, cross your fingers on this reboot!
[20:58] <tweakster> well, crud. it appears to have failed with getting Grub loaded right because I am getting a message saying "Missing Operating System".
[20:59] <bioterror> tweakster, it's easy to fix
[20:59] <bioterror> !grubrescue
[20:59] <bioterror> !grubrepair
[21:00] <bioterror> \o/
[21:01] <tweakster> so this would have installed Grub 2 if anything?
[21:01] <bioterror> yes
[21:01] <bioterror> oh darn
[21:01] <bioterror> hups :-)
[21:02] <tweakster> bioterror, are you saying that i need to create a Grub rescue floppy and boot it now?  Hopefully, it will see what is on the disk and install Grub correctly at this point. Is that what you are suggesting?
[21:02] <bioterror> no
[21:03] <bioterror> you can use your installation media
[21:03] <tweakster> again
[21:03] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[21:03] <bioterror> install that
[21:03] <bioterror> and hopefully it will fix it for you
[21:04] <bioterror> otherwise I might have to guide you to chroot into your system and run grub-install :-)
[21:14] <bioterror> tweakster, better be good news!
[21:16] <tweakster> bioterror: i am reading the information on Boot-Repair and creating a CD. the problem is on another machine, as you might have surmised.
[21:17] <bioterror> tweakster, you can use the same CD
[21:17] <bioterror> as you used for the installation
[21:17] <bioterror> you just add PPA and you install it
[21:18] <bioterror> unless you used alternate CD
[21:18] <bioterror> :-)
[21:21] <tweakster> bioterror, i used the x86 desktop CD download here:  http://lubuntu.net/
[21:22] <tweakster> where do i now find the PPA to install, which you mentioned above, bioterror?
[21:22] <bioterror> in that boot-repair guide
[21:26] <tweakster> bioterror, it is downloading and installing now.
[21:33] <tweakster> it appears to be scanning my system at this point
[21:34] <tweakster> i am going to select Recommended Repair as the guide suggests now.
[21:37] <tweakster> It says it is purging and repairing Grub on sdb2.  That sure is not where I had told it to install initially.
[21:37] <bioterror> hmmmm
[21:37] <bioterror> I have to hit the bed
[21:38] <bioterror> with advanced you can force it sda?
[21:38] <bioterror> "place grub to sda2
[21:38] <bioterror> or something that
[21:39] <tweakster> it want me now to enable a repository containing the Linux packages in the sofware  sources of Ubutu 12.04 LTS (sdb2). Then try again.
[21:40] <tweakster> what does that mean exactly?
[22:02] <tweakster> i sure hate when that happens.  :(
[23:48] <Danno_> is there any way to make ubuntu treat a long press on the touchscreen as a right click?