xnoxjasoncwarner_: hot is good, winter is around the corner.00:01
xnoxjasoncwarner_: unless you are in australia... bad times =/00:01
jasoncwarner_xnox not this hot :/ something isn't quite right here.00:01
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ritzrobert_ancell, morning , how are you doing ? busy ?04:18
ritzrobert_ancell, PAM messages overwrite LightDM's user field when using pkcs11 smartcard authentication04:18
ritzwhat do you think of a pop up, or notification for error messages ?04:19
robert_ancellritz, bug #?04:19
ritzrobert_ancell, private bug report04:19
ritzas yet04:19
ritzrobert_ancell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-greeter/+bug/96885504:19
ubot2Launchpad bug 968855 in unity-greeter "Errors and Comments from pam (here: pam-pkcs11) are written in user-names - and therefore unreadable (dup-of: 838555)" [Undecided,Triaged]04:19
ubot2Launchpad bug 838555 in ayatana-design "Unity Greeter - Support complex authentication requests" [High,Fix committed]04:19
robert_ancellritz, oh, you mean unity-greeter04:20
robert_ancellritz, the issue is you can't really detect from PAM what sort of message it is.04:20
robert_ancellritz, is your issue the same as the screenshot in 968855?04:21
robert_ancellritz, and the issue is the text writes over the top of the username?04:22
ritzrobert_ancell, yup04:22
ritzrobert_ancell, I was thinking more along the lines of gdm/gnome-shell design . notifications for error messages/information/prompt04:23
ritzmaybe not the right choice, with lightdm04:23
robert_ancellritz, what version of u-g is this? If you run unity-greeter --test-mode and scroll to "long info prompt" it shows the text laid out correctly (quantal)04:23
robert_ancellritz, it's up to the greeter how it wants to display the PAM text, not LightDM04:24
ritzhmm, sweet04:24
ritzhmm bad04:24
robert_ancellritz, ok, could just require some backporting then04:24
ritzrobert_ancell, sweet, on this then04:24
ritzthanks :)04:24
ritzrobert_ancell, I tend to like the way gdm notification works with gnome304:24
ritzrobert_ancell,  what is your view on the same ?04:25
robert_ancellritz, I haven't tried the notification, I'll have a look. Note that Unity Greeter is designed by the design team, not me. I'm happy with handling failures more clearly using a dialog or similar as long as we can reliably detect that from PAM.04:25
ritzrobert_ancell, hmm, thanks. will check with them at UDS04:28
robert_ancell ritz, Mika Meskanen is the person to talk to (mika)04:29
didrocksgood morning05:50
pittiGood morning06:00
didrocksguten morgen pitti06:02
pittisalut didrocks, ça va?06:06
didrockspitti: still coughing like mad :/ I think I'll see a doctor this afternoon06:08
didrockspitti: yourself?06:08
pittiurgh, that lasts long06:08
pittididrocks: we went visiting a friend in Marburg over the weekend; that was fun (and rather lots of drinking in the evening) and going to bed at 3:30 and so, so still a little dizzy :)06:09
pittididrocks: perhaps now during the beta freeze you can take a day off and spend it in the tub and the bed?06:10
didrockspitti: ah, nice weekend for you then! :)06:10
didrockspitti: well, I already spend the weekend like that with no positive evolution06:11
didrockspitti: so, the doctor option is taken for today :)06:11
didrocksdon't really feel bad, just coughing a lot and so, feel tired06:11
didrockspitti: I'm supposing you are working on the glib test timeouting issue on armhf? if so, can you please update to latest glib at the same time?06:16
pittididrocks: I am, yes; but I'd rather get it to build first06:23
pittididrocks: uh, another one?06:23
pittididrocks: I was hoping to get the current -proposed version into quantal today, as it's the same version that we already have there06:23
pittifor a new upstream version I'd rather keep it in -proposed until after b2?06:24
didrockspitti: ah, sure :)06:24
didrockspitti: so that upload06:24
didrocksand then, staging 2.34.0 into -proposed06:24
pittioh, the final already?06:25
pittiI'm not yet through my weekend/morning email, I suppose I need to do a final pygobject release as well06:25
didrockspitti: yeah, this week is finale :)06:26
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pittididrocks: ok, git diff 2.33.14.. is safe06:37
didrockspitti: sweet :)06:37
seb128hey desktopers!07:23
didrockswelcome back seb128 :)07:23
seb128hey didrocks, thanks07:24
didrockshey Laney, how are you?07:54
* pitti hugs seb128, bienvenue!07:58
Laneygood thanks didrocks!07:58
sabdflhello all08:11
pittihey sabdfl, how are you?08:12
sabdflwell thanks! had a good week of turkish sunshine08:13
didrockshey sabdfl!08:13
sabdflno hint of sham trials or #muslimrage!08:13
sabdflit was lovely, kalkan bay. highly recommend it08:13
sabdflpitti, great stuff on the rigour-and-quality front08:14
xnox=) sabdfl good. gotta love turkish pancakes with meat =)08:14
sabdflyeah, the mezze was masterful08:15
Laneyback to the glorious weather08:15
xnoxthe british summertime sadness? =)08:17
Laneymakes me feel right at home :-)08:18
* Laney eyes this cloud node08:22
Laney./configure taking several minutes is suspicious08:22
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dpmhey morning pitti. I just noticed that the Ubuntu One control panel appears untranslated, as it's not finding ubuntuone-control-panel.mo, which seems to have disappeared from the latest Quantal language packs. I've checked on Launchpad, and we haven't done any changes to the template: it should still be exported. Any ideas where it could have been left out, langpack-o-matic perhaps?09:08
LaneyI saw a bug complaining that gnome-panel isn't translated any more too09:10
Laneybug #105529509:10
ubot2Launchpad bug 1055295 in gnome-panel "Translation files are no longer installed in quantal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105529509:10
didrocksweird, gnome-panel is in universe for a long time already09:19
Laneyit has X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes09:22
Laneydoes that do anything?09:22
didrocksnot sure TBH09:24
chrisccoulsonhey didrocks, do you still get the issue with compiz freezing when the screensaver activates?09:32
didrockschrisccoulson: didn't suspend/resume for a long time enough to see it, why?09:32
chrisccoulsondidrocks, i don't know if it's just bad luck, or if something changed last week, but it now does it consistently, every single time my screensaver activates for me :(09:33
chrisccoulsonit did it every time i left my laptop over the weekend, and just now when i went to grab some coffee09:33
didrockschrisccoulson: it wasn't on screensaver activation for me, but rather on suspend/resume (never got it when the screensaver activated)09:33
didrockstjaalton: thoughts? ^09:33
chrisccoulsondidrocks, ah, it's definitely screensaver activation for me09:34
didrockschrisccoulson: tjaalton thinks it's an issue with mesa09:34
didrockschrisccoulson: and not really fixable in time though :/09:34
chrisccoulsoni get these warnings in my Xorg.0.log when it happens too: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1224153/09:34
chrisccoulsoni hope it's fixable. quantal is basically unusable for me right now ;)09:34
tjaaltonchrisccoulson: try a mainline kernel (3.6rc)09:34
chrisccoulsontjaalton, is there somewhere to install those from?09:34
tjaaltonthere are people reporting success with it..09:35
didrockschrisccoulson: while you are around, any news about the chat button and the dismiss of quick filtering?09:35
chrisccoulsonnot yet ;)09:35
didrockschrisccoulson: for the chat, can't we really deactivate them?09:36
tjaaltonasked mdeslaur to test as well, would be nice to bisect it on a separate bug and not on the monster that got slashdotted..09:36
didrockschrisccoulson: I'm afraid we will release quantal with it :/09:36
pittidpm: sorry, missed your ping09:44
pittidpm: I'm not sure actually; is it in the exported tarballs still?09:44
pittidpm: I don't see any trace of it in quantal.log09:45
* seb128 hugs pitti back09:47
seb128(sorry I was "off-site" with my old laptop, just catching back on my main computer backlog)09:47
chrisccoulsonseb128, you're back!! (hi btw)09:47
pittidpm: checking current export09:47
seb128chrisccoulson, hey09:47
seb128Laney, gnome-panel uses langpacks09:48
seb128Laney, that X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack is for universe packages to have them langpacked09:48
LaneyI thought it might be, ta09:48
chrisccoulsonseb128, how was your vacation?09:50
seb128Laney, yw09:50
seb128chrisccoulson, quite good, relaxing09:50
seb128I'm glad I missed the beta2 crazyness :p09:50
Laneyyeah, it was quite crazy ...09:51
seb128I managed not use the computer for most of the holidays, not for work stuff at least ;-)09:51
pittidpm: hm, it is in the latest export again, but that's not the tarball I used (I used the 0830 export and manually merged the latest delta)09:52
chrisccoulsonthat's what i need to do the next time i take some vacation :)09:52
pittidpm: so I can only assume that it'll be back in the next build09:52
chrisccoulson(i should take vacation when there isn't a firefox release)09:52
pittidpm: hm, it even is in my merged tarball09:52
didrockspitti: are you taking care of latest glib now that you fixed the FTBFS or do you want me to?09:53
pittididrocks: I can (and it's already in the Debian svn)09:53
didrocksgreat :)09:53
didrocksthanks pitti09:53
pittibut I really want to get this version into quantal without bothering the release team too much09:53
seb128pitti, robert_ancell did the update apparently (from my bug emails)09:53
pittididrocks: but it still failed09:53
seb128he just hit a failing test09:53
didrockspitti: urgh?09:53
pittididrocks: I don't know what changed a week or two ago at our arm builders09:54
pittianyway, I retried the builds09:54
Laneyfailed with a test failure still?09:54
pittiseb128: I discussed that with him last week, we eventually just synced it back09:54
pittiit doesn't happen on all the other arches nor the Debian arm builders09:54
didrocksseb128: speaking of 2.34.0 after the FTBFS fix :)09:54
pittii also committed my changes to Debian09:55
pittiwe can sync back if/when we sync pcre3 from Debian09:55
dpmpitti, thanks. Weird. I noticed it when I saw the .mo file wasn't in any of the langpacks I've got installed (ca, de, pt_BR, zh_CN)09:55
dupondjegtk+ is build on quantal with --enable-debug? :)10:03
Laneyseb128: hum, I don't see that gnome-panel ever got picked up by the langpacks10:08
Laneyat least it doesn't appear in language-pack-gnome-de-base since the change10:09
seb128Laney, you need dpm or pitti about that, could be a bug in the universe langpack feature10:09
seb128not sure it got lot of testing10:09
dpmLaney, seb128, indeed it is.10:09
dpmso it seems that translations from universe are imported and exported fine from LP10:10
dpmbut LP fails to list them in a text file that langpack-o-matic processes10:10
Laneyso a bug in launchpad?10:11
dpmso they are ignored. We knew that this affected banshee and we (pitti) worked around it in langpack-o-matic by hardcoding banshee10:11
dpmbut we didn't know other packages were affected10:11
dpmit's a bug in Launchpad10:11
Laneyfiled anywhere?10:12
dpmI contacted a LP dev last week about it, but he's busy with something else, need to ping someone else10:12
Laneylet me grep to see if any other universe packages use this10:12
dpmLaney, yes,  bug 104855610:12
ubot2Launchpad bug 1048556 in ubuntu-translations "Language pack translations export needs to add universe packages to domain map" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104855610:12
seb128Laney, do you know what's the status with webkit?10:13
Laneywe'll find out if doko's suggestion works when it gets to the end and tries to link10:14
seb128Laney, I was rather meaning ... staying on 1.9.2, going for 1.10, rolling back to 1.810:14
Laneywell I think security don't want us to have a development release10:15
seb128yeah, neither do I10:15
Laneybut going backwards would be fairly horrible10:15
seb128I tried hard to get the new version to build before holidays10:15
seb128but without luck10:15
Laneywell, as said in the bug I got it to build10:16
seb128do you know if upstream did the change they said they would do?10:16
Laneywith a patch to make and removing -g (debugging)10:16
Laneycouldn't find any evidence of that... you mean splitting the lib?10:16
Laney(didn't try a new upstream release yet though)10:16
seb128see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkit/+bug/1005682/comments/610:16
ubot2Launchpad bug 1005682 in webkit "FFE: Update webkit to 1.9.91" [Wishlist,In progress]10:16
Laneyoh don't know if I saw that10:17
LaneyI've been working on bug #104350710:17
seb128Laney, well, I had make-dfsg with that patch in the ppa yeah (though it was the new make version as well which I emailed -devel about and Steve? nacked because it should be done at the start of the cycle)10:17
ubot2Launchpad bug 1043507 in webkit "webkit build fails on binutils limitation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104350710:17
dpmLaney, seb128, ok, re-poked LP developers for help with the universe translations bug10:20
Laneydpm: cheers10:20
seb128dpm, thanks10:20
Laneyseb128: getting the source to see if that's in .9210:20
seb128Laney, ok10:21
Laneyforward is almost certainly better than back here10:21
seb128Laney, https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/WebKitGTK/1.10.x suggests it's not done10:21
seb128Laney, I guess we should build with -gstabs if that works10:22
seb128so we can update10:22
Laneywell that also needs the make patch10:22
Laneyso ... depends if that will fly10:23
seb128did I say before that I hate webkit :p10:24
seb128chrisccoulson, hey, I noticed that the "chat" icon is still there in tb 15 ... didn't you say it was only on by default in unstable series?10:24
seb128chrisccoulson, do we plan to drop it for quantal?10:24
GunnarHjpitti: Hi Martin, and thanks for helping fix bug 1018621 the other day. It struck me that this may be an SRU candidate for precise. Not that I think that a lot of people have removed their ~/.profile file, but for those who have, the bug may be pretty annoying. Do you think that's enough of a reason to SRU the fix?10:31
ubot2Launchpad bug 1018621 in accountsservice ""Language for menus and windows" is not saved if .profile is missing" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101862110:31
pittiGunnarHj: certainly sounds fine to me, yes10:36
GunnarHjpitti: Great! Then can you please add a precise task while I upload the patch.10:38
pittican you please add an SRU test case to the description?10:40
pittitask added10:40
GunnarHjpitti: Sure, I'll write something.10:41
chrisccoulsonseb128, i guess we need to approach mozilla about that. but i've been busy the last few days trying to stop things like bug 1051152 from coming up again :/10:51
ubot2Launchpad bug 1051152 in globalmenu-extension "Firefox 16 beta crash in nsIContent::SetAttr with greasemonkey installed" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105115210:51
seb128chrisccoulson, ok10:51
seb128chrisccoulson, do we need mozilla's authorization to change that default?10:51
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah10:51
seb128chrisccoulson, did you talk to jasoncwarner_ about it?10:52
chrisccoulsonnot yet. i can do though10:52
seb128would be good, he should be the one deciding10:52
seb128but my gut feeling is that we already have an im client10:52
seb128and we don't want to duplicate the feature10:52
jasoncwarner_hey chrisccoulson seb128 what's up ?10:53
seb128what do you think?10:53
seb128jasoncwarner_, hey! how are you?10:53
jasoncwarner_hey seb128 how was the holiday?10:53
seb128jasoncwarner_, do we think we should keep or drop the "chat" feature from thunderbird? it's feature duplication, we already have a (better) im client10:54
seb128jasoncwarner_, excellent, it was good to get a break from work ;-)10:54
* didrocks was confused about it the first time seeing it at guadec10:54
didrocksand I was connected without noticing and people were talking to me there (in thunderbird)10:55
jasoncwarner_seb128: re: chat...looking at it...hadn't seen it...one sec...(or rather, a few minutes)10:56
seb128jasoncwarner_, I'm away for lunch so no hurry10:57
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seb128bbiab (having lunch at home so I will be back in like 15 minutes)10:57
dpmhi all, could someone have a look at bug 957589, Sweetshark perhaps?11:01
ubot2Launchpad bug 957589 in df-libreoffice "Language packs do not install LibreOffice help language packs" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95758911:01
jasoncwarner_seb128 chrisccoulson just checked it out. is there any risk in leaving it in? does thunderbird autoconfigure it or anything?11:01
jasoncwarner_it definately is duplicate and we'd want to keep our own IM/chat program over thunderbirds for sure11:01
didrocksjasoncwarner_: thunderbird doesn't autoconfigure it. But if you do configure it, you are connected to one of the IM thinking you are not (and missing messaging for instance)  :)11:03
didrocksjasoncwarner_: I do think that hiding the button and the menu to configure would be enough TBH11:04
jasoncwarner_didrocks: I'd like the option for people who actually *want* to use thunderbird chat to be able to (all 3 of them? j/k ;) )11:05
jasoncwarner_but, yeah, just hiding the icon by default would probably be enough11:05
didrocksjasoncwarner_: and some nuts with your ice-creamed+chocolate topping? :)11:05
tjaaltonchrisccoulson: did you try the mainline kernel already?11:07
jasoncwarner_omg...my freakin' laptop is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hot. ever since I reinstalled it (yesterday), it keeps overheating. the fans don't spin up ever either...very weird11:07
didrocksjasoncwarner_: I'm sure it's just an excuse for more ice-cream to cool it :)11:08
tkamppeterdidrocks, seb128, chrisccoulson, who is responsible for GTK2 in Ubuntu?11:08
jasoncwarner_didrocks: I wish it was that simple!11:08
didrocksjasoncwarner_: with it up to date, don't experiment that on the x22011:09
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didrockstkamppeter: us? :)11:09
jasoncwarner_didrocks: this is an x220 as well.. I didn't yesterday before I reinstalled either! today, after finishing the reinstall, freakin' blazing keyboard.11:09
tkamppeterdidrocks, bug 1053891 needs also to be fixed in GTK2, as Firefox and Thunderbird still use GTK2.11:10
ubot2Launchpad bug 1053891 in gtk+2.0 "GTK print dialog does not allow printing and does not show options of a remote DNS-SD/Bonjour printer" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105389111:10
didrocksjasoncwarner_: waow, I'll try to use a live this week to see if I can reproduce11:10
didrockstkamppeter: does your patch just applies to it?11:10
tkamppeterdidrocks, I did not try yet.11:10
didrockstkamppeter: can you please try? then ping us and we'll sponsor it :)11:11
didrockstkamppeter: no need to target beta2 though, it will be in a post-beta update11:11
didrockstoo late for it :)11:11
didrocks(assigned and fixed milestone)11:12
tkamppeterdidrocks, OK.11:12
tkamppeterdidrocks, the patch applies, I am testing now whether it actually works.11:20
didrockstkamppeter: thanks! keep us in touch :)11:20
seb128tkamppeter, what didrocks said11:36
seb128jasoncwarner_, chrisccoulson says we need to ask mozilla to hide the icon ... should we do that?11:36
tkamppeterdidrocks, seb128, patch is working, will post the debdiff ...11:38
seb128chrisccoulson, help11:38
seb128chrisccoulson, unping, tb fails to start but it seems to be an eds partial upgrade issue, trying to update those11:39
seb128ok, better after updating e-s-d11:40
mdeslaurchrisccoulson, tjaalton: so, I didn't get a single black screen issue this weekend. On friday I changed "Turn screen off when inactive for" to "never"...so it may be related to dpms after all11:42
tkamppeterdidrocks, seb128, debdiff ready to apply attached to bug 1053891.11:42
ubot2Launchpad bug 1053891 in gtk+2.0 "GTK print dialog does not allow printing and does not show options of a remote DNS-SD/Bonjour printer" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105389111:42
seb128tkamppeter, thanks11:42
chrisccoulsonseb128, ah, another eds pain ;)11:42
chrisccoulsontjaalton, i'm running the mainline kernel, but my machine hasn't been idle for long enough for the screensaver to come on yet11:43
tjaaltonchrisccoulson: is it the only machine you have?_)11:44
chrisccoulsontjaalton, it's the only machine i have running quantal ;)11:44
tjaaltonmdeslaur: ok, have you tried the rc kernel yet?11:44
tjaaltonchrisccoulson: yeah, ok11:44
mdeslaurtjaalton: not yet, no11:45
didrocksseb128: I'm looking at the gtk2 patch11:48
tjaaltonchrisccoulson: what laptop is it btw?11:48
tjaaltonmdeslaur: I'm tempted to undupe your bug and follow up there..11:48
seb128didrocks, thanks11:48
mdeslaurtjaalton: fine with me11:48
didrocksalso packaging 2.24.13 is working fine :)11:49
tjaaltonmdeslaur: done. chrisccoulson, you can follow bug 1054198 as well11:51
ubot2Launchpad bug 1054198 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Thinkpad T510 doesn't come out of screensaver" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105419811:51
tjaaltonchrisccoulson: also, you can set the blank timer to 1 minute, that should make it faster to reproduce or verify it doesn't happen anymore11:54
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smspillazMirv: sil2100: do you know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1041169 is fixed ?12:07
ubot2Launchpad bug 1041169 in compiz "custom keyboard shortcuts not migrated after upgrade to compiz 1:0.9.8+bzr3319-0ubuntu2 " [Low,Confirmed]12:07
smspillazdidrocks: have you got the PS bug priority list handy ? is it just unity-distro-priority ?12:08
didrockssmspillaz: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html12:09
smspillazdidrocks: was this one 1041535compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in __strcasestr_ia32() from ccsStringToModifiers(binding=NULL) and pitti's bug the only ones for gsettings ?12:11
* smspillaz grepped for compiz and gsettings and only found those two12:11
didrockssmspillaz: what do you mean with pitti's bug?12:12
* didrocks sees way more compiz bugs on #dx12:13
smspillazdidrocks: #1042041 1:0.9.8+bzr3319-0ubuntu1 regression: keeps setting gsettings keys to wrong values12:13
smspillazright now I'm just handling all of the gsettings distro bugs12:13
smspillazat the moment I'm working off of this list which is lacking: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bugs?field.tag=gsettings12:14
smspillazerm https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bugs?field.tag=gsettings12:14
didrockssmspillaz: the one I pointed to you the other day was bug #104116912:14
ubot2Launchpad bug 1041169 in compiz "custom keyboard shortcuts not migrated after upgrade to compiz 1:0.9.8+bzr3319-0ubuntu2 " [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104116912:14
didrockswhich is on this list12:14
smspillazokay, I've just checked with Mirv above to see if that was a problem with the migration script12:15
didrockssmspillaz: for bug #1041169?12:15
didrocksit's not, it's duplicated keys in the schemas12:15
smspillazthanks :)12:15
didrocksit's the one I took the time to explain and put the schemas name on irc last week12:16
SweetsharkRunning libreoffice intregation tests on quantal in nonheadless mode in a VirtualBox is ... interesting to watch.12:16
smspillazdidrocks: have you got the scrollback handy ?12:17
didrockssmspillaz: no, and no time to look at it right now12:17
smspillazdidrocks: okay. Was it this one ?12:17
ubot2Launchpad bug 1050796 in compiz "Double shortcuts conflict with gnome-control-center ones" [High,Triaged]12:17
mdeslaurtjaalton: unfortunately, I rebooted on 3.6r7, and closing my laptop lid triggered the issue. I updated the bug with a stack trace.12:17
didrockssmspillaz: yep, this one12:17
smspillazokay, and this causes the migration failure ?12:17
SweetsharkLibreOffice is handling it so far, but unity (dash for example) seems to be mightily confused by the number of windows popping up and closing down ....12:18
tjaaltonmdeslaur: bah :/12:18
didrocksit does for keys that are duplicated12:18
didrockslike launch a terminal12:18
smspillazokay, thanks12:18
smspillaztracking that.12:18
tjaaltonmdeslaur: thanks for testing though12:18
smspillazdidrocks: you're lucky btw, it was the last thing in my scrollback :P12:18
mdeslaurtjaalton: I'll wait and see if the screensaver coming up with inactivity does it too12:18
smspillazif one more person had joined or quit I would have lost it12:18
didrockssmspillaz: heh :)12:19
didrockssmspillaz: you should log or copy and paste what's important :p12:19
smspillazdidrocks: Mirv: sil2100: if you run into problems with the gsettings backend just tag the related bugs with "gsettings" and add a task for "compiz"12:21
didrockssmspillaz: ok, will do12:21
didrocksgtk2 ok -> uploaded with tkamppeter's patch and new release12:23
Mirvsmspillaz: ok12:40
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QuantumQrackAnybody have any recommendations for ubuntu 64 bit vs. 32 bit running from flash drive so I can try it out?  tried 64, it didnt load up properly.13:15
jbichaQuantumQrack: please ask your support questions in #ubuntu or if it's for Quantal, ask in #ubuntu+113:17
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Sweetsharkwhich package contains the debug symbols for libgio? gvfs-dbg?13:21
seb128Sweetshark, libglib2.0-0-dbg13:23
seb128dbgsym rather13:23
Ursinhaanyone else having problems with unity not coming back whenever the screen stays off for some time? I'm using metacity --replace to be able to get to my open windows again13:23
UrsinhaI'm using 6.6.0-0ubuntu1, the latest version available, I guess?13:23
jbichaseb128: welcome back!13:24
seb128jbicha, hey, thanks!13:25
Sweetsharkseb128: ah ok, installed that too already, just to be safe ...13:25
Ursinhaseb128, hi :) is signon-ui a package we should be monitoring?13:26
seb128Ursinha, yes13:26
Ursinha(and welcome back :))13:26
seb128Ursinha, hey (thanks) ;-)13:26
seb128Ursinha, https://bugs.launchpad.net/~webapps/+packagebugs13:27
seb128Ursinha, the packages on that page we should be monitoring13:27
Ursinhaseb128, hmm, right13:27
Ursinhathanks for that13:27
Ursinhawill add now13:27
seb128yw, thanks for asking about those ;-)13:27
jbichaGunnarHj: hey, I don't know if you saw my email, but I'd prefer if you moved your guest session customization forum post to say help.ubuntu.com/community or askubuntu.com13:32
jbichahuh, I wonder when gcompris got added to the -desktop set13:37
ogra_jbicha, are you sure youre not looking at edubuntu seeds ?13:41
jbichait was in universe for precise13:42
ogra_well, ask stgraber :)13:42
ogra_it used to be in main until edubuntu switched to build from universe (not so long ago)13:42
ogra_but it definitely shouldnt be in the ubuntu-desktop set by default13:43
stgraberhmm, more a question for cjwatson actually ;)13:44
GunnarHjjbicha: Hi Jeremy! No, I saw no email from you (possible Thunderbird problem), but sure, I can copy it to help.ubuntu.com/community. That's what http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1949027 recommends anyway. I'll let you know when it's done.13:45
jbichaGunnarHj: ah, I tried CCing you on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2012-September/016863.html but maybe I had an old email address for you13:46
jbichahard docs string freeze is tomorrow so I'll need at least the new link soon13:47
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GunnarHjjbicha: Hmm.. I subscribe to ubuntu-docs, so I should have received it in that capacity. In any case I appreciate that you posted that to the mailing list (I had the same thought). Will try to create the community page later today, and let you know the new URL.13:57
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charlesmterry: ping14:34
mterrycharles, yo14:35
charlesmterry: could you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/dbusmenu/+bug/105367014:37
ubot2Launchpad bug 1053670 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [High,Confirmed]14:37
seb128charles, hey, why is that bouncing back to our team?14:39
seb128charles, don't you guys have a dbusmenu maintainer in #ps?14:39
seb128mterry, hey, how are you? you guys had a crazy time while I was not there I can see ;-)14:40
mterryseb128, yes  :)14:40
seb128mterry, crazyness is over and not quite yet?14:41
seb128e.g should I hide for an extra few days :p14:41
charlesseb128: yes, if mterry doesn't have time for it I'll look into it14:41
Laneythere will be another hit if I accept this ubuntu-meta upload ...14:41
mterryseb128, still hasn't formally landed (I pushed ubuntu-meta, but not accepted)14:41
seb128Laney, hit of work of of online discussions?14:42
charlesseb128: but it looks like it was mterry's patch, so I was trying to be nice :)14:42
Laneywell, mainly the latter14:42
kenvandineLaney, that is a feature that is expected in b2 :/14:42
mterryLaney, online discussions14:42
Laneybut some of the former too (not for us though)14:42
seb128charles, oh ok, if mterry broke it he can probably fix it ;-)14:42
mterry:)  Will look14:42
seb128Laney, I would rather try to not play against the stream there14:42
seb128Laney, it feels like it will just increase the number of discussions and make things land later rather than earlier14:43
Laneyprobably true14:43
* mterry has to grab groceries, will be back online in a bit to look at that bug14:43
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GunnarHjpitti: Other things came up, but now I have added a test case (sort of) to the description of bug 1018621, and I think it's ready for precise-proposed.14:52
ubot2Launchpad bug 1018621 in accountsservice ""Language for menus and windows" is not saved if .profile is missing" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101862114:52
pittihate hate hate our armel buildds15:03
seb128pitti, too slows?15:06
desrtinteresting datapoint: my nexus 7 builds glib in 5 minutes15:07
chrisccoulsonpitti, yeah, me too ;)15:09
seb128desrt, that build doesn't include running the testsuite I can tell you :p15:09
seb128desrt, the testsuite takes much longer than the actual build here15:09
desrtseb128: how did you guess? :)15:09
chrisccoulsoni bet our webkit maintainer doesn't like armel buildd's too15:09
pittiseb128: I don't know what chagned last week, but all of a sudden the tests fail all over the place, especially the timing ones15:09
chrisccoulsonseb128 ;)15:09
pittiit seems that the builds are very loaded or so15:09
seb128chrisccoulson, stop looking at me, we have a new webkit maintainer, Laney! ;-)15:10
Laneynah, doko took it off me :P15:10
desrtwhat's the story with armhf?15:10
Laneyoh, for it to be far enough along to be having problems with arm15:10
Laneypitti: I think something did change, doko keeps complaining about qt4-x11 newly failing15:11
* ogra_ is happy that armel will be gone the day after release 15:12
Laneyit will?!15:12
ogra_i wish we had killed it months ago15:12
seb128Laney, armfh for the win I guess ;-)15:12
desrtarmfh is the big-endian armhf? :)15:12
LaneyI just didn't know any decision had been made15:12
* Laney tweets the official annoucement ;-)15:12
ogra_desrt, big endian is armeb15:12
desrtogra_: seb made a typo.  i made a joke.15:13
ogra_k :)15:13
seb128I need to work on my fingers synchro, fh hf ... it's hard :p15:13
pittiwell, armhf keeps failing as well15:13
ogra_i even missed that typo15:14
desrtwe have armhf builders?15:14
ogra_pitti, same way ?15:14
desrtdo we have a precise armhf?15:14
pittiogra_: not always in the same test, of course15:14
didrocksdesrt: come on! you are soooo disconnected!15:14
ogra_armhf is default since quite a while15:14
* pitti looks what failed this time15:14
desrti assume a tegra3 can handle hf...15:14
pittiI keep bumping the timeouts (doing 1 second of work in 2 seconds), and promptly it takes even longer15:14
ogra_armel was dead beef in precise already15:14
* desrt wonders why he is running debian armel like a sucker15:15
ogra_because you like it slow ?15:15
ogra_or because your HW doesnt have proper floating point support ?15:15
ogra_(or because its not armv7)15:15
desrtit's a tegra315:16
ogra_if the answer to all three is no, you should consider switching ;)15:16
ogra_yeah, use hf15:16
desrti assume the android kernel will be happy with tat?15:17
ogra_kernels dont care15:17
desrtthey definitely do15:17
ogra_not about floating point in userspace, no15:17
desrtthe kernel needs to be aware of the FP registers in order to do proper context switches15:17
desrtotherwise one process ends up with the registers of another15:17
ogra_i dont think the kernel does anything with FP registers15:18
desrtit kinda has to...15:18
ogra_and i have run hf userspace 100 times on top of el kernels15:18
desrtwhen you do a process context switch, you need to store the registers of the process in some kernel data structure somewhere15:18
desrtand restore them when you come back15:18
ogra_(and the other way round)15:19
ogra_all that counts is libc15:19
ogra_(and everythin linked against it)15:19
desrtmaybe you got lucky? :)15:19
* desrt notes that values would not be stored in FP registers for long periods of time, so unless there is active heavy floating point crunching going on by two separate processes at the same time (on a single core) then changes of register thrashing are lowered15:21
ogra_desrt, well, i guarantee yu that you can run hf userspace on el kernels and the other way round15:22
ogra_if you find any issue you can prove being related to that all your beer at UDS is on me15:22
desrtogra_: then surely the -el kernels must be aware of the FP registers...15:22
chrisccoulsonhmmm, i need to go clothes shopping before UDS :/15:38
chrisccoulsoni hate spending money on clothes!15:38
seb128chrisccoulson, do more conf and collect geek tshirts :p15:38
chrisccoulsonheh :)15:38
chrisccoulsoni've got plenty of t-shirts. the problem is, i can almost fit 2 people inside them now ;)15:39
Laneyhot wash ;-)15:40
seb128jbicha, we have that patch in the ubuntu-desktop ppa for ~1month15:43
seb128jbicha, nothing really new in the blog post though :-(15:43
seb128it's only part of the build issues15:43
jbichaI thought the comment that the make patch was rejected was interesting15:44
seb128yeah, we new the patch was not upstream...15:44
seb128I wonder what other distros do15:45
LaneyI hope that patch to split the library up gets merged upstream15:45
Laneyfixed and merged, my earlier investigations revealed that it was reverted15:45
jbichaI'm sure Fedora just applied the patch; mageia was having problems though last I heard15:46
Laneyhttps://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94435 this one15:46
ubot2bugs.webkit.org bug 94435 in WebKit Gtk "[GTK] Split WebCore/platform into a separate library" [Normal,Reopened]15:47
Laneyclever bot15:47
Laney"rolled out" means reverted15:47
Laneyseeds accepted15:50
* Laney waves to /.15:51
* micahg wonders why he has a 44M file in /etc/X1115:54
chrisccoulsonsplitting the library up? surely a better way of fixing it would be to fix the build system?15:56
seb128chrisccoulson, how so?15:56
chrisccoulsonfirefox avoids the "argument list too long" by using a linker script rather than passing objects on the command line15:57
seb128chrisccoulson, they just have a number of sources that goes over the arguments limit it seems?15:57
seb128oh, I guess that works too ;-)15:57
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, they replaced building of intermediate archives (*.a files) with a descriptor file (which just contains a list of objects), and they use these descriptor files to build a linker script16:01
chrisccoulsonpretty much16:01
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didrockshave a good evening everyone16:56
* desrt feels massive amounts of dist-upgrade pain16:59
* desrt gives up, reinstalls17:16
desrttoday was appatently a bad day for a reinstall17:28
ogra_desrt, cant be, we are in a freeze :P17:31
ogra_nobody uploads during freezes, right ?17:31
desrttoday is a very bad day17:32
desrti want to throw everything out the window at this point17:32
ogra_oh man17:32
desrti think my blue 'thinkvantage' button is broken17:33
desrtso i can't get the bootmenu up17:33
desrtand now i'm stuck with the result of the installer messing up half way through...17:33
ogra_well, you can get back into your live image, no ?17:35
ogra_just fix grub from there17:35
desrthaving trouble with that on account of my inability to get the boot device menu up17:35
ogra_oh, you talk about bios level17:36
desrtgot it17:37
desrtlets see if the installer crashes again17:38
desrthmm.  this os-prober thing is hanging17:39
desrthah.  killing it from the console unsticks the intaller17:41
chrisccoulsonbah @ bug 105561517:46
ubot2Launchpad bug 1055615 in thunderbird "crashreporter crashed with SIGSEGV in get_fast_child_requisition()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105561517:46
chrisccoulsonoverlay scrollbars crash our crash reporter!17:46
desrthuh.  the osprober is getting stuck tryng to read from /dev/sdb1... which is the usb device that i am installing from.  odd.17:47
desrtquantal makes me want to install adblock17:52
desrti just love how i see dollar signs every time i open the dash17:53
seb128desrt, stop the trolling :p17:54
desrtseb128: seriously...17:54
desrtand amazon icon in the launcher?17:54
seb128desrt, it's a one line in one of the dash pages (ok the default one), it's easy to ignore, and it doesn't have ads, just stuff matching your searches17:55
seb128desrt, and disabling it is an apt-get away (will be soon some ui clicks away)17:55
tkamppeterpitti, still there?17:56
Sweetsha1kdesrt: just search your local ogg-files for tracks by the sex pistols or by pussy riot and type slowly ...17:56
desrtSweetsha1k: i don't have to try that to have an idea about what will happen...17:57
jbichaseb128: "soon some ui clicks away" as in 13.04?17:58
seb128jbicha, I don't know, I'm just back from holidays but the original plan had a way to opt out, I don't think they let that out to force users17:59
seb128jbicha, not sure if they will try a ffe,uife,stringfe or wait next cycle though17:59
seb128jbicha, "ui" would probably be a filter in the dash, so not a big ui change17:59
jbichaI already wrote a page in docs with the current way to disable: uninstall the shopping lens18:00
desrts/the dhopping lens/unity/ works as well :-)18:00
jbichaof course if you're going to remove unity, you might as well just use the gnome remix18:01
seb128I think the trolling is something I didn't miss during my holidays :p18:02
desrti would have done that but for the lack of dailies18:02
seb128anyway, dinner time18:02
jbichawell Alpha2 is only a week and a half old but there have been a bunch of GNOME updates since then18:04
desrtjbicha: what are you doing about nautilus?18:08
jbichareferring people to the GNOME3 PPA18:08
jbichaseb128: what do you think about having Nautilus 3.6 in quantal-backports?18:09
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seb128some days I hate linux18:48
seb128wth do I need to restart xorg after coming back from diner to have something displayed on screen18:49
seb128I don't even have a screensaver18:49
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jbichaseb128: did you see my question about what you think of nautilus 3.6 going into quantal-backports?18:51
chrisccoulsonseb128, oh, i bet you have bug 1054198 too ;)18:51
ubot2Launchpad bug 1054198 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Thinkpad T510 doesn't come out of screensaver" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105419818:51
seb128jbicha, no, I didn't, I came back from diner with a "nothing on screen and no refresh"18:51
chrisccoulson(seeing as you have similar hardware to me)18:51
seb128chrisccoulson, I don't use a screensaver though18:52
chrisccoulsonseb128, does your display get turned off?18:52
seb128chrisccoulson, yes18:52
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, that's why then18:52
seb128jbicha, I think backport should be use for apps and not for system components like the filemanager18:53
jbichanautilus is an app too :)18:53
seb128jbicha, but I don't believe strongly about it and I don't think lot of people use backports, I think ppas are a better solution than backports ...e.g don't take my opinion too much in consideration18:53
micahgseb128: backports are enabled by default and show up in software center18:54
seb128micahg, and?18:54
micahgit makes it easier to find for those who want it :)18:54
seb128that doesn't change the fact that I don't like them, they are a poor solution18:54
larsuseb128, we have a potential fix for that dbusmenu crash. Can you pull the commit when into the package I merge it into trunk?18:55
seb128but if they are listed in s-c I would recommend against putting nautilus there18:55
larsuseb128, I don't know if this really fixes the problem, as I can't reproduce it...18:55
seb128you don't want to recommend broken upgrades in s-c18:55
chrisccoulsonour whole model for distributing apps sucks :(18:55
micahgjbicha: you'd also need to test about 2 dozen reverse dependencies for potential breakage18:55
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chrisccoulsonwhy can't i install gimp 2.8 from the S-C in precise?18:55
micahgchrisccoulson: because we haven't finished unbreaking the reverse dependencies yet :)18:56
seb128chrisccoulson, that's an issue being worked, hopefully it will be sorted by the next lts18:56
seb128larsu, sure can do18:56
seb128larsu, you are confident the commit is technically right even if it might not fix that particular bug right?18:57
chrisccoulsonmicahg, point proven ;)18:57
larsuseb128, yeah, I've tried it locally and charles reviewed it18:57
larsuseb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/dbusmenu/lp1053670/+merge/12604718:57
seb128larsu, danke18:57
larsuseb128, it's r42718:58
micahgchrisccoulson: it would be the same issue if you installed the upstream version unless it was self-contained18:58
seb128jbicha, so yeah, I'm unsure we should promote in s-c an update which breaks unity integration18:58
chrisccoulsonmicahg, yes, which is exactly my point. the current distribution model sucks, and doesn't scale in the real world18:58
jbichaseb128: it requires explicit action to install a backport, but I guess backports wouldn't help much anyway18:59
jbichafor one, I'd have to bug the backports team for updates18:59
seb128jbicha, according to micahg they are listed in s-c and enabled by default?18:59
jbichaif somebody pokes around software-center to see it, then yes it would be shown as an option18:59
micahgchrisccoulson: this isn't about the distribution model, you have the issue with shared components, if it were a standalone leaf app, it would've been uploaded already (as we have done many updates in precise-backport)18:59
seb128chrisccoulson, well, having a public api makes things harder as you know :p18:59
seb128but backport is a poor solution and doesn't scale anyway19:00
seb128we should move away from it19:00
micahgseb128: enabled, but pinned lower, so you have to select it19:00
seb128we should let upstream maintain their software19:00
seb12895% of our softwares are unmaintained and in a crappy state19:01
seb128everybody would be in a better position if we focussed on the OS and let the apps to the app writers19:01
chrisccoulsonyeah, i agree19:01
seb128kill universe, let upstream maintain their app in extras or something19:02
micahgit's much lower than that I think, I'm quite amazed when I need a tool and it's an apt-get away19:02
seb128speaking as somebody who often update desktop stuff because we are 6 month behind upstream and ship a buggy version and I feel bad about it, our model sucks19:02
seb128look at the pidgin, inkscape, gimp, etc19:03
seb128we don't "maintain" them19:03
seb128nobody look at their bugs nor is engaged with upstream19:03
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seb128we try to keep up with Debian or we rely on people who don't care much to feel that we suck enough that they have to do an update19:03
micahgseb128: those are all in main, so we are claiming to maintain them19:04
seb128well, we do security updates19:05
seb128it doesn't mean we do a good job about picking versions19:05
seb128or engaging with upstream19:06
jbichaI'm not convinced that upstream can necessarily do a better job of maintaing these packages19:06
seb128or engaging with users19:06
seb128right, most don't19:06
seb128but at least the blame is in the hands of the right persons :p19:06
BigWhaleIs this an open discussion? If it is... how is Debian keeping up? Do they have the man power to keep all those packages up to date?19:06
seb128they don't19:07
seb128you have thousand of outdated or not well maintained softwares in Debian as well19:07
jbichait's an open rant ;)19:07
seb128look at http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html and how much is > yellow19:07
micahgBigWhale: Debian also has ~1000 DDs, we have ~200 Ubuntu devs19:07
seb128it gives you an idea on how much is outdated on our default install19:08
BigWhaleHow are other distros handling this? Fedora?19:08
seb128you can imagine universe is another order of magnitude19:08
seb128they don't handle it better19:08
seb128I don't say that the model is useless19:08
seb128but it has its limits19:08
seb128it doesn't scale19:08
BigWhaleI agree that having a bazillion outdated packages isn't really good.19:09
seb128no distro keep up with the opensource ecosystem and we are speaking of an ecosystem a magnitude less active than the markets of phone app providers19:09
jbichahaving each upstream learn each distro's packaging system scales worse though19:09
seb128that's why we need to make packaging easier19:10
seb128or automated19:10
seb128the only decision should be "what version do I ship" and "what patches to I include"19:10
BigWhaleseb128, I agree I ranted about Debian/Ubuntu packaging before.19:11
seb128jbicha, there are not so many packaging system, there is deb and rpm basically19:11
seb128which is the same than distribution for e.g android and iOS19:11
seb128which most app developers do19:12
micahgI cringe every time I install a deb that doesn't come from our archive19:12
seb128not to mention that our distribution cycle, freeze, hard rules for SRUs, etc are made for an OS19:13
seb128they are focussed on avoiding issues in the system19:13
seb128there is no reason apps need to be on the same cadence and strict rules19:13
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seb128micahg, that's because we don't have good sandboxing (yet)19:13
BigWhaleHaving universe is a big benefit even if the software in it is a little outdated.19:16
BigWhale(I always thought that import from debian is automatic)19:17
seb128right, but instead of an universe set on the ubuntu freezes you had a flexible appdev channel showing up in the s-c you would get the same benefits without the limitations19:17
seb128imports are automatic19:17
seb128but often there is work involved19:18
seb128dealing with platform changes19:18
seb128new compiler, new libs, etc19:18
seb128we should probably keep universe available19:18
seb128but if an upstream is wanting to maintain actively their software we should let them do that19:19
BigWhaleseb128, what about quality and acceptance testing? Right now, are uploaders doing any of it?19:23
seb128not for random apps19:23
seb128the small Ubuntu team just can't assure the quality of all the softwares in the universe19:23
micahgwell, MOTU is going to make more of an effort to look at RC level bugs before release19:24
seb128sure, that just can't scale, you probably know it19:25
seb128it takes a person full time to do a good job maintaining a source19:25
BigWhalesome of the automated tests could be performed at least if the program is executed correctly19:26
seb128right, the appdev stuff plans to have sandboxing and automated packaging and testing19:27
seb128well that's the long distance goal19:27
BigWhaleseb128, well, I'll support whatever will make getting programs into Ubuntu easier. :)19:28
BigWhaleif this involves getting rid of universe, then so be it. :)19:29
BigWhalehowever, in the future, I'd love to see every program with at least some unit tests that ensure program will at least execute correctly19:31
sarnoldshutdown(8)? :)19:32
desrtcould be tested with the proper virtualisation :)19:33
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BigWhalefunny, shutdown has no test switch. Well, it should! :))19:34
dobeyI'd love to see "incomplete" bugs in the ubuntu distribution on launchpad get auto-expired19:40
seb128they do19:40
dobeysince when?19:41
seb1281 year or so?19:41
seb128or maybe longer19:41
dobeyi'm looking at bugs filed against u1 from maverick, which i marked incomplete over a year ago, that are still around19:42
seb128bug number?19:42
LaneyI think if there's any response the expiration stops19:42
Laneyor something like that19:42
dobeybug #703979 was one19:43
ubot2Launchpad bug 703979 in ubuntuone-client "UbuntuOne continually faults leaving system unusable" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70397919:43
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sarnoldI thought it was 90 days?19:45
dobeyusually it says "This bug will expire in XX days if there is no activity."19:45
dobeybut i haven't seen that on any of these bugs against ubuntu yet :-/19:45
seb128dobey, that's because the users replied to your questions19:46
dobeythe questions weren't answered, hence it was still incomplete. and on other bugs, there were no replies19:47
micahgit's 60 days with no response19:47
dobeylike this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/61692119:47
ubot2dobey: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x9212c2c> bug 616921 not found19:47
* micahg isn't sure if private bugs expire19:48
dobeyor https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/60247819:49
ubot2dobey: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x9212c2c> bug 602478 not found19:49
dobeyor https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/61817019:49
ubot2Launchpad bug 618170 in ubuntuone-client "package python-ubuntuone-client 1.3.8-0ubuntu2 [modified: usr/share/pyshared/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/main.py] failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess installiertes post-installation-Skript gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurück" [Undecided,Incomplete]19:49
dobeythought that prev one was private, but apparently not19:49
dobeyerr, s/private/public/19:51
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seb128mterry, is the greeter still supposed to have a session selector icon?20:13
mterryseb128, not if you only have one session installed20:14
seb128mterry, oh, yeah, seems like things got uninstalled ... I've it back now, thanks20:16
seb128mterry, selection doesn't work fine though20:16
seb128like it sometimes has the text entry cursor and clicks seem to go through20:16
mterryseb128, you can't click the first two entries?20:16
mterryseb128, fixed in trunk20:16
seb128mterry, you are always one step ahead I can see ;-)20:17
mterryseb128, would be better if bug did't exist at all, but sure  :)20:17
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robert_ancellRAOF, hey, my upload of gtkhtml4.0 got rejected by an archive admin, is there any way to find out why?21:13
Laneyrobert_ancell: infinity rejected it temporarily because of the tightened shlibs21:18
robert_ancellLaney, what effect does that have?21:20
Laneyyou can get rejected packages back and accept them later21:20
Laneyit was just to stop somoene accidently accepting it21:20
Laneyit should have been accepted first, and then evolution21:20
robert_ancellLaney, ok, so I don't need to change anything and it will be accepted at a later date?21:21
Laneythen we'll need to rebuild all of the rdeps21:22
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Laneywell, all 4 or so of them :-)21:22
robert_ancellwe *really* need to automate that21:22
Laneytightened build-deps would have helped here21:22
robert_ancellLaney, in what way? So that evo depended on the newer gtkhtml? The problem is that upstream doesn't require the new gtkhtml21:23
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robert_ancellmterry, yay!21:50
mterryrobert_ancell, :)  some of the way21:51
mterryrobert_ancell, now I'm seeing errors like "Error writing X authority: Error opening file '/tmp/lightdm-test-G2Ljc8/home/guest-Gfg19k/.Xauthority': Permission denied"21:51
robert_ancellmterry, weird21:53
jbicharobert_ancell: hey, so what do you think about leaving gnome-user-docs at 3.4 since we're holding back on gnome-control-center and nautilus?22:11
robert_ancelljbicha, I'm not opposed. I'm always unsure what to do about the user-docs since the content may not match what we have in Ubuntu22:11
jbichathe docs are a bit of a mess22:12
jbichaI started using conditional formatting in gnome-user-docs which will let us show Unity-specific stuff to Unity users & GNOME stuff to everyone else22:13
jbichabut the conditional formating won't allow us to change page titles so that only reduces the diff by half-ish22:13
jbichaas a related problem, the Ubuntu GNOME Remix has to ship ubuntu-docs because of patches to call help:ubuntu-help instead of help:gnome-help22:15
jbicha*ship both gnome-user-guide & ubuntu-docs22:16
robert_ancelljbicha, u-g-r is good in that it's highlighting these hacks so we are forced to come up with proper solutions22:39
jbichawow, gstreamer 1.6 by June and to think I still remember when we were at 0.10 http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/wiki/ReleasePlanning/RoadMap23:02
robert_ancelljbicha, hey, make sure to leave the sushi update (bug 1055853)23:06
ubot2Launchpad bug 1055853 in gnome-sushi "update gnome-sushi to 3.6.0" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105585323:06
robert_ancellmfisch is practising updates23:06
cyphermoxrobert_ancell: hey23:13
robert_ancellcyphermox, hello23:13
cyphermoxevo needs to be updated becuase of gtkhtml; I just wanted to make sure you weren't already preparing something before I upload23:13
robert_ancellcyphermox, what needs updating?23:15
cyphermoxhmm, I was just relaying information, now I see it doesn't make much sense23:17
TheMusoAre we uploading GNOME 3.6 to proposed, or waiting till post beta?23:18
jbicharobert's already uploaded half of it :)23:19
TheMusoIf to proposed, then ok will upload a11y stack bits there too.23:19
jbichahe's just been uploading to -release as there's conflicting advice about whether -proposed is better for this23:20
TheMusoHrm ok.23:21
TheMusoYeah, proposed makes sense for soft freezes, but not really for hard freezes.23:21
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