phillwoooh, yaboot?!00:02
hyperairhmm? i thought banshee was going to wait until next week to be approved?00:12
cjwatsonUrgh, who accepted banshee?00:13
cjwatsonThanks for wasting my time.00:13
cjwatsonhyperair: Unfortunately there's no way to leave notes in the queue for people who don't read IRC before processing it.00:16
phillwcjwatson: thanks for the email, I have replied.00:28
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iulianolli: OK, I will try that fix later on today (I have to leave quite soon). You can check on LP to see if libunity-webapps had an upgrade or something (or #ubuntu-unity, they should know).08:02
iulianolli: And regarding the version of bamfdaemon - I've got 0.3.0-0ubuntu2 installed.08:03
Laneyshould we decron and do a full image set to b2?08:03
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jamespageall node related syncs are for the switch from /usr/bin/node -> /usr/bin/nodejs in Debian09:04
jamespage(I'll get that added to release notes as well)09:05
psivaathere are two OVERSIZED entries in cdimage.u.c for quntal amd64 and amd64+mac, i guess this is not so alarming since there is no cd support?09:22
xnoxpsivaa: depends, i thought the OVERSIZED check has been adjusted for the new target size.... therefore it can be alarming09:23
* xnox now ponders about MB MiB units....09:24
psivaaxnox, both are 764 and 765 M's , but i suppose for quantal 800M is allowed?09:25
xnoxpsivaa: the text of the warning is miss leading. See that i386 751MB doesn't have warning.09:25
xnoxpsivaa: yeah 8000 but base 2 or base 10?09:26
xnoxpsivaa: yeah 800MB but base 2 or base 10?09:26
Laneyseems likely09:27
psivaaxnox, the size is less than 800M base 209:27
tumbleweedpsivaa: otherwise known as 800MiB09:28
xnoxLaney: I like that link! Didn't know WOlfram did that!09:28
Laneywolfram does all09:28
tumbleweedor jsut use GNU units09:28
xnoxLaney: so the text of the warning should be modified to say "above target size %s" and ideally substitute that value.09:29
xnoxor just leave at above target size.09:30
xnoxand it does look like amd64 is oversized =(09:30
psivaatumbleweed, i see :)09:31
psivaaxnox, i guess so there will be something done to trim it?09:31
* xnox is not on release team =)))))09:31
ogra_xnox, just take a look at debian-cd :)09:31
ogra_it has (($foo * 1024 *1024)) everywheer09:32
xnoxogra_: I like $foo =)09:33
xnoxbytes is so unambigious.09:33
psivaaogra_, i am just wondering if those two oversized images will be rebuilt soon, will they :)?09:45
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jamespageDaviey, I have a new upstream bugfix release prepped for ceph - OK to upload now or would you prefer if I waited until after beta-2?10:26
jamespageits seeded but does not ship10:26
ogra_psivaa, no idea10:26
psivaaogra_, ok, thanks10:27
psivaa size change may not affect our test results too much, but just wanted to confirm, we are continuing the testing on those images10:27
ogra_i would assume so, but for respins better wait for someone from the release team10:28
cjwatsonpsivaa: the oversized warning is wrong; for now, ignore it10:29
cjwatsonhaven't got round to adjusting those limits10:29
Davieyjamespage: please upload, that will be fine.10:29
cjwatsonit won't fit on a CD, but that was what was agreed for 12.1010:30
ogra_it was 1G now, wasnt it ?10:30
ogra_oh, k10:30
* jamespage was wondering where nodejs had got to10:31
jamespageDaviey, ack - ta10:31
psivaacjwatson, ok thanks,that helps10:37
Davieyjamespage: why the Architecture s/linux-any/any/ ?10:40
xnoxcjwatson: "Sep 04 20:59:28 <stgraber>plars: the limit was already changed by slangasek" no other sources. Note that amd64[+mac] have oversize markers, but i386 does not. Although all three are >>705MB but i386 is below the magical 762.9MiB (as per Laney's link above)10:40
cjwatsonxnox: the code is authoritative :-)10:40
xnoxthe warning text is misleading though =)10:40
cjwatsonxnox: sod the warning text, the limit is wrong10:41
xnoxcjwatson: well, I either have no access or don't know where it is =)10:41
xnoxah, ok.10:41
* ogra_ still hasnt got his head arund all that python stuff :)10:42
xnox"This branch may be out of date, because Launchpad has not been able to access it since 2012-08-17."10:42
cjwatsonlib/cdimage/tree.py:DailyTreePublisher.size_limit in this case10:42
cjwatsonoh damn10:42
cjwatsonwell you're out of luck until I switch it to fully hosted, sorry10:42
cjwatsontake my word for it for the moment :)10:42
jamespageDaviey, actually hold fire - its in the queue twice - I think SpamapS may have already done this10:43
xnoxcjwatson: the code is authoritative :-)10:43
* xnox "a wise man taught me that"10:43
cjwatsonhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1224250/ then10:43
cjwatsonI mean, it has 800000000 there10:44
cjwatsonbut that obviously isn't working10:44
ogra_nah, you could just have made that up in pastebin *g*10:44
Davieyjamespage: SpamapS's seem to include an additional fix?10:44
cjwatsonI'll look at it when I have a chance ...10:44
cjwatsonoh, wait10:44
cjwatsonmy apologies, I'm completely wrong, I was misled by the units on cdimage.ubuntu.com10:45
cjwatsonok, yeah, in that case we *do* need to do something about the oversizedness and you're right it's just the warning text10:45
cjwatsonsigh.  coffee.10:45
Laneywhat did we decide the limit was?10:45
cjwatson800MB (decimal)10:46
Laneythen yeah10:46
cjwatsonthough I wonder if that should be 800 * 1024 * 1000 * 100010:46
cjwatsonerr, 800 * 1024 * 100010:46
jamespageDaviey, yes he did - but he also did not do the python-ceph linux-any -> all change10:46
cjwatsonsince that's what "decimal" MB usually means10:46
* jamespage scratches his head10:46
LaneyYou have: 800 MB10:46
LaneyYou want: bytes * 8e+0810:46
Laneythat pasted well10:46
cjwatsonBut decimal MB per disk manufacturers usually means 1000s of KiB10:47
cjwatsonBecause the world sucks10:47
Davieyjamespage: but why did you do that change?10:47
jamespageDaviey, didrocks and I discussed it after the last set of MIR actions10:47
cjwatsonslangasek: ^- should we bump the size limit to 800 * 1000 * 1024, do you think?10:47
xnoxwe agreed on a number 800 but not the units.... *sigh*10:47
Davieyjamespage: did he say why10:47
Davieyjamespage: It seems an odd request..10:48
jamespageDaviey, the package has no specific architecture requirements in Ubuntu10:48
cjwatsonhmm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabyte alleges that disks are actually pure powers of 1010:48
cjwatsonnot sure that matches my experience but maybe I can't be bothered to check now10:48
xnoxcjwatson: I'm guessing what matters is that we fit on the common 1GB usb-sticks when unpacked using usb-creator.10:49
jamespageDaviey, suggest that you reject my upload and I'll catchup with SpamapS when he starts later today10:49
Davieyjamespage: considering we only release linux.. linux-any == any.. So i'm suprised it was made a fuss.10:49
xnoxcjwatson: as we target typical media sizes, not numbers.10:49
jamespageDaviey, it was not 'fuss' - it was a suggestion for when it was next uploaded...10:49
Davieyjamespage: ah, ok.10:50
DavieyDid someone else just reject that?10:50
cjwatsonxnox: not that simple because the 800MB was known to be an artificial target for the purposes of controlling the rate of bloat10:50
cjwatsonAnyway, easy fix is drop a langpack from amd6410:50
cjwatsonI'm doing that now10:50
Davieywho did that? ^10:51
xnoxcjwatson: yeah, cause "disk manufacturers" 1GB gives me 953.6 MB10:51
cjwatsonDaviey: a phantom queuebot bug - it's still in unapproved10:51
Davieycjwatson: no, it was uploaded twice10:51
Davieycjwatson: I just tried to reject, and was told it was already rejected by LP.10:52
* cjwatson accepts alsa-tools to give the publisher something to do along with his seed change10:53
xnoxcjwatson: \0/10:54
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xnoxwhen do we start milestone images publishing?12:23
xnoxToday or Tuesday?12:23
Laneywhen we get a Conrad12:23
xnoxLaney: I see.12:24
* xnox off to do a quick ubiquity upload then.....12:24
* xnox is only trying to annoy Laney =)12:25
Laneyit's all good fun eh12:25
xnoxLaney: it's to fix top errors.ubuntu.com crasher12:25
xnoxbug 102764812:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 1027648 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashed with ValueError in command(): I/O operation on closed file." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102764812:26
Laneylet's see it!12:27
LaneyI mean in the queue :P12:27
* xnox mutters something incomprehensible in Russian and mentions Laney three times12:28
* Laney assumes that they are nice words12:28
cjwatsonany chance we could get the yaboot-installer fix in the queue, if we're respinning for ubiquity anyway?12:28
cjwatsonnot mandatory but might help the powerpc folks12:29
* xnox waits12:29
LaneyI'll look after lunch12:29
Laneyat both12:29
Laneyunless someone else gets there first12:29
xnoxLaney: cause yaboot needs to be included in the ubiquity upload.....12:29
Laneyoh, like that is it?12:29
xnoxLaney: due to the funny way we repackage udebs in ubiquity.12:29
Laneyfine, sessioninstaller can wait12:30
cjwatsonwell, yaboot-installer does, not yaboot12:30
cjwatsonxnox: I tried having the udeb-producing source packages also spit out debs, and it was indescribably painful to maintain so I stopped :-)12:31
cjwatsonbelieve me this sucks less12:31
ogra_ls ../12:31
xnoxcjwatson: I totally agree. And Build-using: X is also path to fail.12:31
cjwatsonBuild-Using is only useful if you can get the binaries in a useful way12:32
xnoxcjwatson: Build-Using should get you `apt-get source $pkgs` unpacked as tarball components. And auto-substitute the version numbers in the control file. Otherwise it's just dfsg metadata hack on top of the real problem: cannot build-dep on a source package instead of binary package.12:34
xnoxwhich totally makes sense for all the toolchains and compilers we have in the archive.12:34
cjwatsonI don't agree12:36
cjwatsonIt's useful to have a way to tell the archive "don't garbage-collect this source"12:36
Laneyaccepted, to lunch12:36
cjwatsonBuild-deps wouldn't help for that12:36
xnoxLaney: thanks.12:37
xnoxcjwatson: ok. I only think with "i want to bootstrap a new arch" hat, cause I don't have "archive admin" hat yet ;-)12:37
jamespage^^ buddycloud-server was (hopefully) the last sync with Debian due to the node -> nodejs binary name migration13:07
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mterry^ that's the last bit of the webapps feature story13:37
jbichaso even when we get webapps working for quantal, it'll just be fancy bookmarks since we're not doing any chromeless mode?13:39
mterryjbicha, fancy bookmarks, sure.  That can tell when they are open13:41
mterryI did not want to advocate for them squeezing in more features  :)13:42
jbichait just doesn't seem very useful yet, especially since we have the shopping integration in the dash home & the music lens13:43
Laneyso, one of these packages is the one that gives us the new launcher webapp icons?13:43
jbicha& the feature still has the disappearing/duplicate icons problem13:44
mterryLaney, new launcher webapp icons are in unity-webapps-common.  They are added to launcher by default by unity, if they are present.  The recent ubuntu-meta update just puts the packages in the image13:44
mterryjbicha, U1 is still a server side fix coming13:44
jbichamterry: are the 2 Amazon launchers & 2 U1MusicStore launchers in the dash known yet13:44
mterryjbicha, amazon should only have one icon at a time, but it does hide and reappear13:45
mterryjbicha, they are working on a fix for that13:45
mterryjbicha, and U1 team is working on theirs13:45
mterryjbicha, but yeah, for a feature that will cause more commercialization concerns, I wish it at least worked flawlessly  :-/13:45
stgrabercjwatson: jbicha just noticed that gcompris somehow got into the ubuntu-desktop packageset when it's a universe package only seeded in edubuntu and was in the edubuntu packageset for 12.04. Any idea of what happened there?13:46
cjwatsongood question ...13:50
ogra_it moved secretly to restricted ? :P13:51
ogra_ah, no, that would have just ignored it13:51
cjwatsonhmm, probably something to do with the weirdness around Edubuntu DVD seeding13:51
cjwatsonLet me see if that can go away nowadays13:51
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xnoxLaney: ubiquity ^^^ =) to go with yaboot and webapps stuff14:06
cjwatsonI'd like to do the accept on that if you don't mind14:07
cjwatsonas a test case for process-accepted-bugs-job14:07
Laneygo for it14:11
skaetolli, mterry, popey - what is the status with the fix to libunity-webapps?    Is there anything ready to be tried?14:19
mterryskaet, no.  Are you talking about the Amazon launcher?14:20
olliskaet, the bamf/window management issues seems to be resolved14:21
skaetmterry,  no window management/missing appmenu function.14:21
skaetolli,  great.   has something been uploaded?   if so, details please.14:22
Laneythose launchers are literally just opening tabs in my browser14:22
cjwatsonprocess-accepted-bugs-job: hooray, glorious success14:22
Laneyis that right?14:22
mterryLaney, the chromeless mode got dropped for time reasons14:22
LaneyI was under the impression it would still be a separate firefox window14:22
mterryLaney, so yeah, they open tabs, and are supposed to reflect the open/closed status of the tab14:23
cjwatsonbug 745799 should no longer be an issue through this freeze; assuming that holds, I'll remove all the obsolete code and close that bug on Friday14:23
ubot2Launchpad bug 745799 in launchpad "DistroSeries:+queue Timeout accepting packages (bug structural subscriptions)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74579914:23
cjwatsonor thereabouts14:23
mterryLaney, that was the grand vision, and will be in 13.0414:23
LaneyOK I could "quit" it14:23
olliskaet, I don't know what resolved it, asked here yday - I have libunity-webapps0-2.3.8-0ubuntu2 which provides the missing *so.0, but the changelog doesn't hint at any update14:24
olliI was not able to verify what happened14:24
Laney... would it be controversial to suggest delaying installing this by default?14:24
ollihappened as in what fixed what I was seeing (I did an update/upgrade)14:24
skaetolli,  would like make sure we've got fix firmly identified, so we don't get "surprised" later.   I'll update my broken system and let you know what I find.14:25
olliskaet, willcooke will get in touch with you14:29
Laneycjwatson: nice one14:30
skaetolli,  have applied the latest updates,  rebooted machine.   No change in behaviour,  still no menus.14:32
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* skaet working with willcooke now14:36
popeyskaet, does a "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" (with the hat) pull any missing bits in?14:42
skaetpopey,  yes.   libunity-webapps0 is in that set (with some others)14:45
popeythats the issue then, something didn't come in or something was removed previously14:46
jbichaLaney: I'd prefer it wait for 13.04 but I'm of course not RT14:49
plarsmvo: psivaa was just asking me about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1052605 - is this a problem that really needs to be fixed in precise, for upgrade purposes, or is it strictly quantal?14:49
ubot2Launchpad bug 1052605 in update-manager "ERROR:root:getListFromFile: no '/usr/share/update-manager/removal_blacklist.cfg' found: exception during Precise to Quantal upgrade on amd64+mac" [High,Confirmed]14:49
xnoxjbicha: http://www.flickr.com/photos/diegoe/4843409030/14:50
mvoplars: quantal is fine I think, but I will double check - in a meeting right now14:52
cjwatsonplars: FWIW the way it works is that we can fix a lot of upgrade bugs of this type just in quantal, because the release upgrader downloads a tarball of upgrade code from quantal as one of the early things it doe14:53
skaetpopey, applied, reboot has menus and proper behaviour again.   Thanks.14:54
skaetiulian ^ if your system is also still affected....14:55
plarscjwatson: interesting, do you consider this one critical enough to make a target of opportunity? If it's not a regression, I would think the answer is normally "no", correct?14:56
popeyskaet, yay.. cc: olli ^^14:56
cjwatsonthe question of regressions makes less sense for upgrades14:57
cjwatsonand I thought I already made it a target of opportunity by accepting the rls-q-incoming nomination :)14:57
Laneydidrocks: I don't see any sign of the upstream changes in overlay-scrollbar?14:58
didrocksLaney: really? the previous upload was a native upload, which was wrong, I did a tarball of it and merge-upstream it, let me check14:59
Laneydidrocks: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/117169400/overlay-scrollbar_0.2.16%2Br353-0ubuntu2_0.2.16%2Br356-0ubuntu1.diff.gz14:59
LaneyI see the same when diffing the unpacked source packages manually, just to be sure15:00
didrocksLaney: but, the upstream changes are in 0.2.16+r356 tarball normally15:01
didrocksLaney: let me check15:01
didrocksLaney: maybe the +rev353 naming was wrong15:01
didrocksLaney: yeah, so they were backported, confirmed in -0ubuntu215:02
jdstrandskaet: hey, so what is the status of getting a bug fix into beta2 right now? I have a fix for ufw (would affect all images). It probably isn't worthy of a respin on its own, but would be nice to have fixed since it contains a fix for a bug found during iso testing15:02
didrocksLaney: but at least, now, we have a real package with an upstream tarball and packaging change separated15:02
jdstrand(iso testing from last time)15:02
didrocksLaney: which wasn't the case before15:02
Laneydidrocks: OK, fair enough, thanks for looking15:02
didrocksLaney: thanks for checking :)15:02
Laneywe should have it for the Qt fix anyhow15:02
didrocksLaney: yeah, not sure if you want it for beta2 proper15:02
didrocksLaney: or just upgrade it afterwards15:03
skaetjdstrand,  we haven't started spinning the images yet,  so if its safe,  put it on the pad as an opportunity target and go ahead with upload.15:03
jdstrandskaet: it is low regression potential and passes QRT15:03
didrocksconfirming it's fixing/workarounding the issue15:03
Laneyi'll take it into proposed15:03
didrockssounds the safest :)15:03
jdstrandskaet: ok. where is the pad?15:03
jdstrandskaet: should this target quantal-proposed or just quantal? (it is a python package with only one build)15:04
jdstrandskaet: thanks. added15:07
slangasekcjwatson, xnox: we did agree on the units, we said 800MB. :)  There was a discussion on list where pitti found that the USB sticks he tested were pure decimal.15:08
slangasekcjwatson: if we want to fudge to make powerpc fit though, it's not the end of the world15:09
xnoxslangasek: yes, 800MB apart from MB is ambiguous. Are we using "disk-manifacturer's" MB (aka decimal / base 10) or the computer science MB (aka base 2).15:12
xnoxslangasek: in other words can we define the sizes in bytes please =)15:12
slangasekxnox: it's not ambiguous, we have a Units Policy. :)15:12
xnoxslangasek: yeah, thanks for reminding me about it.15:13
xnoxslangasek: cdimages.ubuntu.com does not compile with the Units Policy.15:14
xnoxslangasek: it uses M when it means Mi and it uses K which doesn't exist (should use Ki)15:14
xnox... or I got all of it backwards.15:15
cjwatsonslangasek: powerpc isn't currently oversized15:16
cjwatsonxnox: that's apache's fault and I haven't found a way to do anything about it15:16
cjwatsonP.S. the official hostname is cdimage.ubuntu.com15:17
* xnox blames chromium's auto remembering host names15:17
Laneyiulian: shotwell ^^^ is for you15:19
highvoltagestgraber: unity is reaaaaly slow on edubuntu on kvm, is that normal and if so, something that should be release noted?15:36
stgraberhighvoltage: slower than on beta1?15:36
tumbleweedhighvoltage: does it at least work?15:36
highvoltagestgraber, tumbleweed: yes15:37
stgraberhighvoltage: what's your screen resolution in the VM?15:38
stgraberhere it's pretty slow by default but that's because kvm is being weird and sets up the screen at 2360x1770 :)15:38
highvoltagestgraber: 1024x76815:39
stgraberhmm, weird. it's reasonably fast here once I get the resolution down to 1280x80015:39
highvoltageI rebooted into installer only and that's at least a lot better15:39
stgraberhighvoltage: what video driver are you using in kvm and how much memory do you have allocated to the vm?15:40
stgraber(but yeah, I think Ubuntu should issue a generic, Unity completely sucks in VMs, please use something else kind of warning)15:41
highvoltagestgraber: cirrus 9mb with 1500MB RAM15:41
highvoltage(I guess the 9mb video ram is the reason why I don't get a massive default resolution)15:41
stgraberhighvoltage: ok. I'm using vmvga 9MB, also with 1.5GB of RAM15:41
kenvandinethat unity-lens-photos upload is a trivial fix to a crasher that affects 103 people15:41
* xnox ... and me.15:42
Laneyexactly 103!15:42
Laney:P /me looks15:42
Laneyskaet: Do you fancy considering the seed change?15:42
skaetLaney,  fancy - no,  but if its fixing crashers, and is safe,  yeah,  rather it in now before we spin images.   Just don't want things to get worse though....15:44
LaneyIt's not to fix crashers, it's to seed the packages which bring the webapp launchers in15:44
skaetLaney,  ok,  yes.15:46
Laneyup to The Public to decide whether this makes things get worse :P15:50
Laneykenvandine: and yours, thanks for that15:50
Laneythere will be some promoting from -proposed to do before spinning15:51
Saviqhey, re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-font-family-sources/+bug/104860015:53
ubot2Launchpad bug 1048600 in ayatana-design "[FFe] Restore "Ubuntu Medium" weights in Ubuntu's binary .deb" [High,Fix committed]15:53
SaviqI've tracked the Qt bug down and worked around it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/744812/comments/5315:53
ubot2Launchpad bug 744812 in ubuntu-font-family-sources "FontConfig/Qt stack choke on Ubuntu Medium font meta-data (No medium in Inkscape and too bold in Qt apps)" [High,Confirmed]15:53
Saviqit's not a proper fix, 'cause that would break API, and requires work across backends and platforms15:54
Saviqhere's the patch https://launchpadlibrarian.net/117079074/fix_medium_font.diff15:54
Saviqand packages are built in the mentioned PPA to test the impact15:55
stgraberskaet: We might have a late edubuntu-live and edubuntu-netboot upload to change our default session on LTSP from Unity to gnome-classic (with fallback to gnome-fallback).16:14
cjwatsonI think I'm going to need to upload for bug 1054323 once I figure out what the problem is16:14
ubot2Launchpad bug 1054323 in grub-installer "Installer fails at 'grub install dummy' on PowerEdge Hardware in EFI mode" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105432316:14
cjwatsonQuite possibly grub2 rather than grub-installer16:14
Laneywe should probably switch to making images for b2 ...16:14
stgraberskaet: waiting to hear from highvoltage but considering how little progress the unity team has done on making it working in VMs, it doesn't seem likely we'll be able to ship with it in quantal16:14
skaetstgraber, ack.16:15
Laneystgraber: I'll proxy skaet and tell you to put it on the pad :P16:15
* skaet chuckles. Thanks Laney ;)16:15
stgraberLaney: yeah, will put a "no need to rebuild for now" note until we know what we'll be doing16:16
skaetstgraber, is arm going to be available for edubuntu for beta2?16:16
stgraberskaet: nope, ARM is staying daily-only for 12.10, we won't release it16:17
xnoxstgraber: to be honest all you need to do, is change blur effect to static & disable fade-in / fade-out. And all of those are just compiz settings.16:17
xnoxstgraber: I did that on my machine it's flying fast now.16:17
stgraberxnox: well, unity doesn't start at all on LTSP, so no16:17
xnoxstgraber: ah16:17
stgraberand unity explodes in interesting ways when using 16bit color depth16:17
Laneyskaet: Shall we go ahead and change default_milestone and decron now?16:18
xnoxstgraber: i'd expected to expload in a rather dull way when using 16bit color depth16:18
stgraberxnox: on 16bit: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/114128260/unity-16bit-quantal.png. It gets worse when you try to actually do something with it (like open a window) :)16:20
ogra_use the door then :P16:20
ogra_wow, modern art16:21
skaetLaney,   please16:23
skaet(and thanks!)16:24
Laneyskaet: it's alright, I've spotted infinity now :-)16:24
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ogra_cjwatson, is it normal that there is an amd64.squashfs file at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ ?16:46
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njinbug 104836116:47
ubot2Launchpad bug 1048361 in ubiquity "installer stuck in download packages even if not connected or download not selected" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104836116:47
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cjwatsonogra_: mm, I think probably a weird leftover - removed, thanks16:53
ogra_cjwatson, so hggdh seems to still see bug 105414316:54
ubot2Launchpad bug 1054143 in debian-installer "armhf-omap4: Beta 20120924 server image fails to install with "no kernels found"" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105414316:54
ogra_and comparing the .list files beween x86 and arm server images i dont see a pool on the arm side16:54
plarsxnox: regarding adding encrypted volumes at install time from ubiquity...16:54
plarsxnox: shouldn't I be able to do something with it after creating it?16:55
plarsxnox: oh, I see, I have to change it after creating it, and add the mountpoint then16:56
infinityLaney: Did someone take my name in vain?16:57
hggdhogra_: and I confirmed it on bamboo-feeder and on a manual install16:57
ogra_hggdh, yeah, something is weird with the images ...16:58
Laneyinfinity: We wouldn't dare.16:58
ogra_or infinity messed up d-i completely when bumping the ABIs :P16:58
LaneyI was going to do some nusakan twiddling, but then you showed up.16:58
infinityogra_: Seems unlikely.16:58
xnoxplars: if you are a casual user of debian-installer (netinst / alternate / server cds), you will find the current implementation very intuitive. As in, it's a tad disorientating.16:59
ogra_thus the :P16:59
infinityLaney: Feel free to twiddle what you were going to twiddle, if you were halfway there.16:59
Laneyno, I was 0%16:59
plarsxnox: heh16:59
infinityLaney: Oh.  Well, thpt.16:59
xnoxplars: and somehow you should now upfront, that you are meant to create a separate /boot partition before creating the encrypted volume.16:59
plarsxnox: btw, I just got an error 141 from ubi-partman trying to remove an encrypted volume I had just created16:59
xnoxplars: hmmm.... =( shouldn't get 141, it should not let you do that in the first place. At least I did add guards against it. Please file a bug with steps to do it.17:00
Laneyinfinity: I'll do it. It's just disabling cron and other similar things.17:00
plarsxnox: yes, doing that now... waiting on apport at the moment17:00
infinityLaney: Sure, please do.  I'm tearing through queues and such.17:00
xnoxplars: what did you try to remove? The underlying partition, the ecrypted "disk" or the final filesystem?17:01
plarsxnox: the underlying partition17:01
xnoxplars: not good.17:01
xnoxplars: there are all sorts of guards missing, same as seen on panda boards with the sd-card. The installation medium is not properly guarded. The encrypted volumes / lvm make the discovery of unguarded partitions easier.17:02
LaneyI'll not do any spins or such fun until the promotions are done17:03
infinitySo, I'm going to let the evolution 3.6.0 final stuff through, since it would be nice to see it heavily tested.17:07
Laneycan we get overlay-scrollbar yanked from proposed please?17:09
Laneyit slays thunderbird17:09
infinityAnd can do.17:09
ogra_ogra@anubis:~/Desktop/images$ mount-image-partition quantal-server-armhf+omap4.img 2 /mnt17:09
ogra_ogra@anubis:~/Desktop/images$ find /mnt -name *kernel-image*17:09
infinityHave you filed a bug and/or poked the appropriate people?17:09
ogra_cjwatson, am i assuming right that this is wrong ?17:09
Laneysomeone else commented on the bug17:09
LaneyI'll poke now17:09
ogra_(i.e. there should be a kernel-image udevb in the pool, or not ?)17:10
plarsxnox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/105564017:10
ubot2Launchpad bug 1055640 in ubiquity "ubi-partman error 141 when removing encrypted partition" [Undecided,New]17:10
highvoltageogra_: where is mount-image-partition from!?17:10
ogra_highvoltage, my own script17:10
cjwatsonogra_: I'm on a call17:11
ogra_i have a bunch of image fiddling tools here17:11
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cjwatsonI'll get back to you17:11
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skaetinfinity,  we may get a reverted kernel,  discussing with kernel team now.17:11
infinityLaney: Removed.17:12
ogra_highvoltage, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1224895/17:12
Laneyinfinity: cheers17:12
highvoltagethanks, ogra_!17:12
infinityskaet: Kay.  Then I don't have to feel bad about letting in some userspace bits. :P17:13
cjwatsonogra_: that test is certainly wrong though; I wouldn't normally expect to see *kernel-image* on images17:14
ogra_cjwatson, hmm, where should i look for it then ? i thought it is in pool17:14
cjwatsonkernel-image is only for use when building d-i17:14
ogra_oh, k17:14
cjwatsonno point in shipping the kernel-image udeb when we have a perfectly good kernel we booted with17:15
cjwatsonthe bug as described there looks more like debconf template misplacement17:15
cjwatsonhm, no17:15
plarsxnox: is there a bug open already that you are aware of for the fact that the mount point dropdown is available, but greyed out on the create partition screen for that feature?17:16
ogra_not necessarily related, but definitely a bug as well17:16
cjwatsonwell, maybe a bit excessive, but at least it has the kernel we want17:17
cjwatsongerminate has no subarch handling (and no obvious way to have it) so this kind of thing does tend to happen17:17
infinityUgh.  Why does gtkhtml have such restrictive shlibs? :/17:17
ogra_well, in live-build we remove the supefluous headers as well, i guess debian-cd would need a similar hack to clean that up17:19
cjwatsonnever mind for now though :)17:19
ogra_nah, it wont fix my problem for sure :)17:19
cjwatsonany way to boot this under emulation?  I'd like to play around a little17:19
ogra_only omap317:20
cjwatsonalternatively if somebody could stick 'set -x' near the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/live-installer.postinst for me and get a log ...17:20
cjwatson'cos it looks as though arch_get_kernel_flavour isn't working right17:21
cjwatsonOh, I'm an idiot17:21
cjwatsonNever mind17:21
cjwatsonI forgot to set SUBARCH17:21
cjwatsonBecause I was clever and thought it wasn't needed17:22
ogra_cjwatson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1224911/ in case you want to play with omap317:23
cjwatsonNo need for now, but thanks17:23
infinitySpamapS: Is your ancient lucid mysql SRU still wanted?  If so, can you and tumbleweed get together to make the queue have both SRU fixes in it?17:25
ogra_cjwatson, geez, you are fast !17:26
cjwatsonObvious once I saw it17:26
cjwatsonWould be nice if somebody fixed the lying .list files on ARM, mind17:27
ogra_yeah, added to my TODO already17:27
ogra_it picks the wrong partiton17:27
xnoxplars: when you select "physical volume for encryption" the mount point should correctly become insensitive.17:27
xnoxplars: possibly I should hide it completely to avoid any daubt.17:27
cjwatsonas I think I said before I don't think we should hide it - that creates different confusion ("where did that disk space go?")17:28
cjwatsonnot to say there aren't other UI possibilities17:28
xnoxplars: I couldn't quite implement the dialog as per design doc. In the design you can select all options in one go, including the mountpoint / fs for the encrypted fs.17:28
xnoxplars: but it didn't seem safe, that late in the cycle. Maybe next cycle.17:28
plarsxnox, skaet: sure, we need to make sure it's release noted though I think right?17:30
xnoxplars: release noted - what?17:32
SpamapSinfinity: yes I believe its still wanted. I'll check the status.. not sure why its been sitting so long17:32
cjwatson^- live-installer critical for arm server17:32
infinitycjwatson: Yeah, looking already.17:32
xnoxplars: once the encrypted partition is setup there is no way to remove it. So as per your bug, I should fix and make sure it's not possible to remove that disk / partition.17:32
infinitycjwatson: Hard to review the shell cut in there without knowing what archdetect returns, which I've entirely forgotten. :P17:33
xnoxplars: there are plenty of places where: ubiquity implementation != design doc.17:33
plarsxnox: I'm talking about the other issue - that the selection of mountpoint from the create an encrypted volume screen is unimplemented17:33
cjwatsoninfinity: Those lines are copied from bootstrap-base.postinst, if that helps.17:33
cjwatsonIt'll return things like armhf/omap4.17:33
infinitycjwatson: Heh.17:33
infinitycjwatson: Right, accepted then.17:34
plarsxnox: the option is there on the screen though, which is a bit confusing.  We can see what skaet thinks though17:34
infinity(Based on the cut, not on the cargo-culting)17:34
ogra_hggdh, ^^^ your fix17:35
infinityTempted to reject gtkhtml, not because there's anything wrong with it, but because the moment someone accepts it, all its rdeps need to be rebuilt. :/17:35
LaneyWhy /are/ the shlibs like that?17:36
infinityLaney: I honestly don't know.  Perhaps to allow them to experiment with adding/dropping (especially the latter) symbols during a devel cycle?17:37
infinityLaney: Since 4.5 is unstable and all.17:37
infinityLaney: That's the only explanation I can come up with for the << part.17:37
LaneyDunno. Reject it and speak to Robert17:37
infinityLaney: Well, it can't be retroactively fixed.  A new upstream will break all the old packages regardless.17:38
Laneythere aren't very many rdeps anyway, if it turns out to be necessary17:38
infinityLaney: The rebuild is necessary no matter what he does to the new shlibs.17:38
seb128Laney, what package?17:38
infinityseb128: gtkhtml4.017:38
infinityseb128: The shlibs have a >> and <<, rather than just a >>17:38
LaneyI meant speak to him to find out if it's really necessary17:38
seb128some GNOME components are like that17:39
seb128did robert_ancell add those?17:39
infinityseb128: He's just cargo-culting from previous versions, I suspect, so it's hard to tell who, if anyone, knows the rationale. :P17:39
infinity-libgtkhtml-editor-4.0 0 libgtkhtml-editor-4.0-0 (>= 4.5), libgtkhtml-editor-4.0-0 (<< 4.6)17:40
infinity+libgtkhtml-editor-4.0 0 libgtkhtml-editor-4.0-0 (>= 4.6), libgtkhtml-editor-4.0-0 (<< 4.8)17:40
infinityAnyhow, the rdep list is tiny, if the buildds clear up a bit, I'll just accept gtkhtml and rebuild the few rdeps.17:40
plarsxnox: I also get an unusual warning when creating the encrypted partition, saying that no modifications can be made because it's in use as a physical volume for an encrypted volume (I didn't try to change anything though, I was just waiting for it to get created)17:40
infinityBut perhaps I'll reject it for now, and accept it from rejected later. :P17:41
seb128Laney, infinity: my guess is that Debian did it because usually evo and gtkhtml need to be on a same serie17:41
infinityseb128: That doesn't seem like a sane rationale from broken shlibs.17:42
infinityseb128: Anyhow, it's also no huge deal, since almost nothing links to it.  We'll just do the rebuilds in a bit.17:42
seb128where almost nothing is only evolution?17:43
infinityI wish I'd noticed when I was processing the evo queue entries, though.17:43
infinityCause I could have done gtkhtml first. :/17:43
Laneyand "xiphos", whatever that is17:43
infinityIf evo had, I dunno, versioned build-deps, that would totally work.17:43
cjwatsonIt's an operating system composed entirely of ogg codecs17:43
LaneyThat sounds nice17:44
seb128Laney, infinity: the shlibs is this way since added in Debian: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-evolution?view=revision&revision=119217:44
ogra_but its a bible browser it seems17:44
cjwatsonah, gnomesword as was17:44
seb128Laney, infinity: I think it's because gtkhtml is no used out of evo and they handle it as a semi private lib, not bothering changing soname on abi changes17:45
seb128they = upstream17:45
Laneyevo itself only appears to have a >= dep17:45
infinityLaney: ?17:45
Laneyin its autotooling17:46
seb128the idea is to prevent updating gtkhtml to new_serie without updating evo17:46
LaneyIt only asks for gtkhtml >= 4.5.217:46
Laneywell, gtkhtml-4.017:46
infinityLaney: Oh, I thought you meant the package. :P17:46
infinity(The binary package)17:46
LaneyAnd now, I'm going to purchase some delicious food for dinner17:47
infinityseb128: It seems like a pretty annoying abuse of shlibs, but it's a big "I don't really care" given the rdep list is tiny.17:47
seb128Laney, enjoy, you made me hungry, I should think about dinner as well! ;-)17:47
infinityseb128: That said, evo uploads could have versioned build-deps on gtkhtml, which would prevent what just happened.17:48
infinityseb128: (Which is that evo uploaded and built against the old version JUST before the new version was considered)17:48
seb128infinity, yeah, that looks like an error17:48
infinityseb128: Well, they were *uploaded* in the right order, but upload and build aren't a guaranteed FIFO, unless you actually wait for the builds to be done and published. :P17:49
infinity(And versioned build-deps would be entirely correct, if the intent is to keep them in lockstep)17:49
seb128yeah, as said looks like a packaging overlook (the build-dep should have been bumped)17:50
infinityCheck.  Stopping talking now.  Not important enough to waste time on.17:50
infinityseb128: Maybe a new set up uploads with a versioned build-dep would be nice, so I can blat those through the queue when I decide to let gtkhtml4.0 out.17:51
infinitys/set up/set of/17:51
infinityI think I might need a big pot of Monday coffee.17:51
seb128infinity, where uploads = evo with versionned build-dep?17:51
infinityseb128: Yeahp.  And I think there might be a plugin too.17:52
infinityevolution, evolution-rss, xiphos17:52
infinityThose would be the three r-build-deps.17:52
seb128I will get that uploaded for quantal-proposed17:53
seb128so you can ack them when you feel like doing it17:53
infinityMany thanks.17:53
infinityYou're me second favourite French developer.17:53
infinityI also can't type.17:53
xnoxplars: it's unusual.... simply because there was no ecryptfs support in ubiquity before. It's a standard warning shown by d-i. And it is meant to tell you that you won't be able to modify the partitions.17:55
seb128infinity, who is the first one?17:56
cjwatsonxnox: erm, I think you may mean no luks support?17:56
xnoxLaney: what about xiphos? =)))) xiphos is good.17:56
infinityseb128: benh gives me free wine, you can't compete.17:56
cjwatsonwe've had ecryptfs support for yonks17:56
xnoxcjwatson: yes, I do.17:56
seb128infinity, I see, that's because I didn't bring you some smelling cheese at UDS17:56
infinityseb128: :)17:56
cjwatsonI'm not convinced that that warning is usual, though.  Sounds like something being done out of order.  It's only supposed to happen if you try to modify the partition underlying an existing encrypted volume.17:57
cjwatsonBut plars said he saw it when creating a new volume.17:57
xnoxcjwatson: d-i shows it when you activate encrypted volumes. always.17:58
xnoxcjwatson: I can silence it, and the fact that "remove/change" buttons are insensitive, should give the clue that you can't change these any more....17:58
cjwatsonOh, is this partman-crypto/confirm?17:59
* cjwatson wishes people wouldn't paraphrase error messages, because it means I can't grep for them and have to guess.17:59
cjwatsonOr, well, messages.17:59
cjwatsonI thought you asked me whether to silence partman-crypto/confirm some days ago, and I said if and only if partman/confirm is silenced, and you said it was; so I assumed you had done that already.18:00
xnoxcjwatson: partman-crypto/confirm_nochanges18:00
cjwatsonYeah, you asked about that too.18:01
cjwatson13:11 <xnox> cjwatson: partman-lvm|crypto|md like showing /confirm /confirm_nochanges /confirm_nooverwrite, should those warning be shown in manual partitioning or not?18:01
xnoxcjwatson: that is what I did. bug partman-*/confirm_nochanges where not silenced =)18:01
cjwatson13:15 <cjwatson> if and only if the corresponding ones for plain block devices are shown18:01
cjwatson13:20 <xnox> they are not.18:01
cjwatson13:20 <xnox> thanks.18:01
* xnox doh18:01
xnoxthe confirm & confirm_nooverwrite are silenced across the board.18:01
xnoxthe confirm_nochanges where not.18:02
xnoxand still are not. But maybe they should be, as part of crypt, lvm (upcomming) and raid.18:02
xnoxas these are the places where nochanges are used, and well the installation medium is the same as the disk.18:02
* xnox will think about it, and maybe reuse the warning on the top for these.18:03
plarsxnox: so, one of the things I'm trying to sort out here, and still struggling with, is how to create an encrypted swapspace. Would I need to create 2 separated encrypted volumes to do that? (one for swap, one for root)18:06
plarsIf I try to create a normal swap area, then as soon as I create the encrypted volume I get an "Unsafe swap space detected" (Title not paraphrased) dialog box18:07
cjwatsonBug 1054323 is beta-2-critical.  I'll fix it after dinner.  Doesn't require a ubiquity upload as ubiquity takes care of that bind-mount itself.18:09
xnoxplars: LUKS doesn't support partitions. So yes, you need to create two encrypted volumes.18:09
ubot2Launchpad bug 1054323 in grub-installer "Server Installer fails at 'grub install dummy' in EFI mode" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105432318:09
plarsxnox: ok18:09
xnoxplars: this is until we have adv-lvm, cause then you will be able to create VG in the encrypted partition & create as many LVs as you need.18:10
plarsxnox: got it18:10
stgraberskaet, infinity: 3 packages getting to the queue now for edubunty. edubuntu-live and edubuntu-netboot for bug 1055635 and arkose for bug 1055677 (nice to have that I just noticed and fixed)18:12
ubot2Launchpad bug 1055635 in edubuntu-live "Enable gnome-fallback by default for LTSP Setups" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105563518:12
ubot2Launchpad bug 1055677 in arkose "arkose crashes when uid 1000 doesn't exist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105567718:12
stgraberI'll update the pad and approved the FFe for the gnome-fallback change18:12
* skaet --> lunch18:17
stgrabercjwatson: hmm, looks like we have one more packageset weirdness ;) edubuntu-live should be in the edubuntu packageset, not ubuntu-desktop :)18:18
stgrabercjwatson: and it looks like your refresh earlier dropped gcompris from ubuntu-desktop but didn't add it to edubuntu (that or I refreshed my report at the wrong time and it got fixed since)18:18
* infinity decides he might need some sort of breakfast or lunch or something.18:20
stgraberwould be great if someone could check the diffs for arkose, edubuntu-live and edubuntu-netboot. They should all be pretty trivial to review, except maybe for edubuntu-live that bundles a langpack refresh (easy enough to ignore though).18:21
infinitystgraber: I'll get to them shortly.  None of it's wildly urgent (as far as images go), as we're waiting on a kernel now. :P18:22
stgraberinfinity: right18:23
stgraberinfinity: well, actually, I'd like to get edubuntu-live fairly soon to see if pkgbinarymangler (or whaterver strips the locales) does the right thing now as having a langpack installer that's not translated kind of sucks :)18:23
stgraberand I'm not completely sure I did the right magic on LP to avoid the striping part of the process (and can't really test ...)18:24
infinitystgraber: Did you actually change something?  The changelog claims that you're hoping LP won't strip.  Hope isn't actually enough to make it work. :P18:27
stgraberinfinity: yeah, I changed a setting in the LP template the "do not include in langpack" bit was set, I unset it18:28
stgraber"include in langpack" I mean...18:28
stgrabernow I'm hoping that not being included in langpacks mean it won't strip it, that's the bit I'm not 100% sure about ;)18:28
infinityYeah, no.  Doesn't relate at all.18:29
infinityIt'll get stripped because the source is in main.18:29
infinityUnless pitti's made pkgstriptranslations WAY smarter than it used to be.18:29
infinityWe could also blacklist it.18:29
stgraberoh, why is that source in main?18:29
stgraberbug 788671 apparently, checking18:30
ubot2Launchpad bug 788671 in edubuntu-live "[MIR] edubuntu-live" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78867118:30
stgraberah, that bug in LP was fixed, I can easily get universe packages included in langpacks nowadays. I'll drop it from the seeds...18:31
infinityKay.  If you drop it from the seeds, I'll mangle the archive to demote it to universe.18:32
infinityWhich is less hassle than adding it to blakclists.18:32
stgraberinfinity: seed updated18:33
infinitystgraber: Source demoted.18:33
* infinity wonders if he made the publisher cycle...18:33
stgrabercjwatson: I guess that also explains why your script put it in the ubuntu-desktop packageset instead of the edubuntu one18:33
infinitystgraber: I'm going to go find breakfast, and revisit this when I get back, assuming the archive's settled.18:34
highvoltageI wish I could live in infinity's timezone for a bit.18:34
stgraberinfinity: ok, thanks18:35
* stgraber needs a "review all edubuntu hacks and replace them by something reasonable" work item for next cycle... remembering all these seeds/LP/cdimage/... hacks is getting difficult18:36
infinitystgraber: Well, we just got rid of one. :P18:36
infinitystgraber: You could just have a standing WI that's "every time you see crack, replace it with a better drug."18:36
highvoltagestgraber: well they should be seperate work items for each hack, imho18:37
highvoltagestgraber: I also want a work item to actually make work items for all my todo list items (and I guess yours too) so that we can actually try to get other people to do them18:37
stgraberI guess 90% of them can be covered by "make the seeds reasonable and update cdimage to stop pretending edubuntu-dvd and edubuntu are different things"18:37
stgraberthat'd cure most of my edubuntu-related headaches18:38
highvoltagestgraber: do we still get the unity-lens-shopping package in edubuntu? I think it should probably be removed if it's still there due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/105428218:39
ubot2Launchpad bug 1054282 in unity-lens-shopping "No obvious way to restrict shopping suggestions from displaying adult products" [Undecided,Confirmed]18:39
stgraberhighvoltage: yes, we still inherit it from ubuntu-desktop and can't easily get rid of it for the same reason18:43
highvoltagestgraber: I was afraid you'd say that18:43
stgraberhighvoltage: we can use our usual trick of adding a conflict on edubuntu-live, though that's one of those "hacks" I was talking about that we really should avoid (as it's making our live image different from a netboot/debootstrap image)18:44
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stgraberhighvoltage: if you want me to kill that lens, please file a bug against edubuntu-live. I don't mind doing it but it needs to be documented and we really need to design a cleaner way of dealing with those packages starting with 13.0418:48
highvoltagestgraber: yep18:49
stgraberintroducing a new edubuntu-desktop-blacklist package conflicting against these packages we don't want and being itself a recommend (not depend) of edubuntu-desktop, should do the trick. (As in, it'll prevent these packages from being installed on any edubuntu system but won't prevent the user from installing them later on)18:49
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jbichaooh, that's an interesting trick18:50
highvoltagejbicha: yeah, it doesn't do the trick completely though since it won't remove unwanted packages in the case where someone does a netinstall and chooses the Edubuntu task, or if somoene installs it from a minimal system18:51
stgraberyeah, we're getting good at these ;) so far we're putting them all in edubuntu-live, that's a package only installed in the live environment so that lets us remove some packages without actually causing any post-install side effect, though that nice trick doesn't work with netboot/debootstrapped systems and so qualifies as a "ugly hack" :)18:51
stgraberhighvoltage: nope, the trick I proposed above will work with these cases. It's only our current implementation that doesn't.18:52
highvoltagestgraber: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-live/+bug/105570518:54
ubot2Launchpad bug 1055705 in edubuntu-live "[UIFe] Please remove unity-lens-shopping package from Edubuntu installation" [Critical,Confirmed]18:54
stgraberI'll reject my edubuntu-live upload then and re-upload with that one added18:55
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highvoltagestgraber: great18:56
seb128highvoltage, Ubuntu hater ;-)18:56
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stgraberinfinity: uploaded a new edubuntu-live including the conflict with unity-lens-shopping that was discussed earlier19:03
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iulianLaney: I cannot see shotwell in the queue. Did somebody accept it?19:21
hallynhi - qemu-kvm FTBFS in quantal on powerpc.  Should I upload the fix to quantal-proposed?  Or just wait until release?19:21
stgraberhallyn: go ahead with the upload19:23
iulianLaney: Apparently somebody already did that.19:23
hallynstgraber: to -proposed?19:23
iulianToo bad that irclogs.u.c doesn't log the notices as well. It would've been easier to just grep the notices from queuebot.19:24
Laneyiulian: looks like it19:26
Laneymy money would be on infinity19:26
stgraberhallyn: is qemu-kvm one of these packages that can create archive skew?19:28
stgraberhallyn: I had a very quick look and saw a -common arch all package, so I assumed -proposed might make sense (didn't look at the exact dependencies though)19:29
hallynDaviey: bug 1054329, ping ?19:30
ubot2Launchpad bug 1054329 in augeas "[FFE] Sync augeas 0.10.0-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105432919:30
hallynDaviey: i ask bc if that'll be ack'd i'd rather push the fix for the other bug from friday (split lines in modprobe) just once against it :)19:31
hallynstgraber: ok, will push to -proposed, thanks.19:31
stgraberhallyn: for bug 1054329, I'm interpreting Laney's comment as a +1 (no FFe needed, just bugfix, go ahead, but do a fakesync)19:32
ubot2Launchpad bug 1054329 in augeas "[FFE] Sync augeas 0.10.0-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105432919:32
* hallyn googles fakesync19:34
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tumbleweedhallyn: syncpackage can do it19:35
hallyntumbleweed: thanks, was just seeing https://wiki.edubuntu.org/fakesync which claims that as well.19:36
hallynbut so what do i do about pushing it to -proposed?19:36
hallynoh, -d quantal-proposed?19:36
tumbleweedsyncpackge probably doesn't knwo how to do that19:37
tumbleweedbut it can produce the source package that you would upload, then you can change it :)19:37
hallynso use --no-lp (which manpage suggests might be done automatically)19:38
hallynthanks, trying19:38
Laneyit's easy to do manually too19:40
Laneyit's the debian .debian.tar.gz/.diff.gz/whatever, the Ubuntu .orig.tar.whatever and a fakesync changelog entry19:40
hallynmakes sense.  i'm a bit afjeered though :)19:41
hallynsyncpackage way seemed to work...19:41
Laneyyeah, but it's good to know what it does in my opinion19:41
hallynLaney: so (you commented) RT approval for FFE not needed for the augeas sync, but do i need a separate approval to push to quantal-proposed?19:41
hallynLaney: agreed, and thanks, your descriptoin makes sense19:42
hallyncool, thanks.19:42
cjwatsonstgraber: I didn't notice my change earlier changing gcompris at all - it was just a refresh so that I had a consistent baseline19:42
cjwatsonor at least that's all I meant to do19:42
cjwatsonstgraber: main/universe shouldn't make any difference for ubuntu-desktop vs. edubuntu packagesets FWIW19:43
stgrabercjwatson: my bad, was looking at desktop-core instead of ubuntu-desktop. gcompris indeed didn't move from there.19:44
seb128^ that one would be good to approve, the bug it fixes is a segfault with quite some duplicates coming daily19:47
stgraberinfinity: thanks! (assuming that ^ was you)19:58
infinityIt was.19:58
* infinity eyeballs that cups-pk-helper upload, and wonders if maybe there might be a missing include somewhere.20:00
Davieyogasawara: Is that kernel intended for Beta 2?20:26
ogasawaraDaviey: yes, we'd discussed with skaet and infinity earlier but in #ubuntu-kernel20:27
* skaet nods20:28
DavieyThere is nothing which suggests this is a respin trigger20:29
DavieyBut presumably all flavours will need a respin for this?20:29
* cjwatson rushes to finish testing grub-installer20:30
Laneythere's no first spins yet :-)20:30
skaetexactly ;)20:30
cjwatsonthough I guess I have time while linux builds20:30
DavieyI thought i saw one.20:30
skaetmilestone's been set up,  but cron shouldn't be running ...20:30
cjwatsonquantal builds are indeed disabled in cron20:33
Davieyogasawara: I am right in saying this isn't an ABI toucher?20:34
ogasawaraDaviey: right, no ABI bump20:36
cjwatsonDoes it need a d-i rebuild so that the new kernel is used in the installer?20:37
cjwatsonHmm, looks like probably not20:38
Davieyit's all graphics related.20:39
cjwatsonWell, it affects the console, but I don't think the installer has the i915 drm bits in it.20:39
cjwatsonSo should be OK.20:40
cjwatson^- grub-installer critical for b2 server (UEFI), please review20:43
infinitycjwatson: I'll review in a sec.20:47
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skaet stgraber,  is there going to be an arm edubuntu image this time around?   if not,  can we remove it from the default path (so don't slow down on it during builds)21:03
stgraber16:16 < skaet> stgraber, is arm going to be available for edubuntu for beta2?21:06
stgraber16:17 < stgraber> skaet: nope, ARM is staying daily-only for 12.10, we won't release it21:06
stgraberso yeah, can be removed from the build commands21:06
skaetthanks stgraber,  sorry,  missed it in the backscroll.21:07
skaetinfinity, ^21:07
phillwstgraber: are the ARM guys thinking that there will be a lubuntu release? (Just so I can let my boss know :P )21:10
stgraberphillw: The choice to build for a specific architecture or not is up to the flavour leads, though at this point, if lubuntu never had an arm release, it's too late to make one for 12.10.21:12
phillwstgraber: just that is has sat there on the daily bullds ever since they asked permission to have one.21:13
stgraberlooks like lubuntu had a temporary ac100 image built, probably because ubuntu wasn't quite working on it at the time21:14
skaetinfinity, can you score up the linux build so we know it goes into the next armel and powerpc slots?21:14
stgraberbut it hasn't been built for the past 3 weeks21:14
stgraberogra_: can you comment on lubuntu armhf ac100 desktop pre-install? is that still useful/built or can I flush it from the tracker?21:14
phillwafaik, they have confirmed it as installing, but whilst julien (gilir) did give permission, it is up to the ARM guys to test. They needed a low RAM system for some kit & chose lubuntu.21:15
stgraberyeah, that was a temporary thing for the ac100 IIRC, as it wasn't built recently, my guess is that it's no longer needed, but ogra should be able to confirm that21:16
phillwwe are happy to have them, after all, lubuntu is for low-resource machines.21:16
phillwwell, if you can check. We have no objections.21:17
slangasekstgraber: Ubuntu is not and will not be working on ac100; I don't know why the lubuntu image build has been stopped21:18
slangasekUbuntu desktop works on armhf only if we have binary drivers, and AFAIK there are none in the archive for ac10021:18
infinitystgraber: We switched ac100 from ubuntu *to* lubuntu, nothing temporary about it.21:19
stgraberslangasek: ok, that makes sense. That's unfortunate that we still don't have a tegra2 blob packaged (or that we can distribute, not sure which is the issue)21:20
stgraberinfinity: ok, so someone should look into fixing the build or maybe just tweak default-arches so that it actually builds (haven't looked into it besides reading phillw's comment above)21:20
infinitystgraber: We occasionally have them, and occasionaly not, but we can't rely on having one that work at any given point.21:20
infinitystgraber: It's in default-arches.  It might not be in cron...21:21
infinityOh, no, there it is.21:21
cjwatsonShouldn't need to be in cron if it's in default-arches ...21:21
infinity#35 1 * * *buildlive lubuntu daily-preinstalled && for-project lubuntu cron.daily-preinstalled21:21
cjwatsonWell, the whole flavour does, sure21:21
infinityYeah. :P21:21
stgraberhmm, then maybe it's just the cdimage => tracker magic that needs tweaking21:22
* stgraber has a look21:22
infinityGiven that said subarch is the only thing that builds for that flavour.21:22
phillwguys, please do not shoot the messenger, lubuntu were asked to hold a low RAM version or ARM. The last thing i want is for a fight :'(21:22
infinityphillw: There's no fighting.21:22
stgraberNo iso.qa.ubuntu.com product found for lubuntu/daily-preinstalled/quantal-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+ac100; skipping.21:22
infinitystgraber: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-preinstalled/ <-- Implies it's been building recently, so it could just be the tracker magic.21:22
stgraberso post-qa doesn't know what to do, that's the problem21:22
* stgraber fixes21:23
cjwatsonphillw: Please don't confuse debate about why it isn't working with fighting!21:23
cjwatsonYeah, looks like just tracker integration21:24
phillwcjwatson: as a guy who does not have a ppc machine, I'm getting used to that area of releasing / maintaining different archs :D21:24
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phillwinfinity: just by the way, did you manage to find the time to put the lubuntu iso's onto a diet?21:25
stgraberok, post-qa has been updated, next build should be posted properly21:25
infinityphillw: Nope, can do a bit of that this afternoovening.21:25
* stgraber greps to check if anything else needs fixing21:25
stgraberaccording to grep, the lubuntu ac100 image was the only one failing to post to the tracker, so looks like we're all good now (assuming my fix worked)21:27
phillwinfinity: as lubuntu is for low spec machines, having isos' at CD size really would help us.21:27
phillwI'll take the flack off Julien (gilir) in his abscence.21:27
phillwinfinity: can you trip in just Lubuntu-PPC builds after your work? I'm hoping cjwatson has gotten the yaboot fix in via the ubiquity rebuild? Or am I really way off in my thoughts?21:33
cjwatsonyaboot-installer, not yaboot, but yeah, that fix was in ubiquity
cjwatsonWhich has built everywhere.21:33
cjwatsonHowever since earlier conversation indicated there aren't any candidates yet, there's no point worrying about single-architecture respins right now.21:34
infinityphillw: The whole world's getting rebuilt for shiny new kernels sometime anyway, probably no rush just yet to be doing one-offs, unless someone really wanted to test the yaboot thing RIGHT NOW.21:34
cjwatsonIt'll get caught up in the rebuild of everything.21:34
infinitycjwatson: Jinx, I guess I was being too verbose.21:34
phillwinfinity: I do actually pay attention :) I know you are awaiting a new kernel.21:35
phillwcjwatson: is the ppc release at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/238/builds of any use, or should I tell them not to waste time testing?21:36
Laneynot if you want that fix21:37
* Laney presses a butan21:37
phillwLaney: can you or stgraber remove that suite, please?21:37
phillwI will send an email out, but not all testers are on the mailing list.21:38
phillwLaney: thanks :)21:38
Laneydear old queuebot21:39
phillwWell, 21:00 UTC has passed, do you guys have an ETA for the QA release of Beta 2?21:40
phillw"Whenever", is not the answer :P QA are used to shortened test times. Any crumbs to tell the QA guys?21:42
infinityphillw: After all the kernels are built and no one has another other last-minute critical bits that hold us up for another hour or three.21:44
infinityphillw: Also, depends on people being around to press buttons (I have plans tonight, so I won't be)21:45
phillwinfinity: In the absence of skaet, can I reasonably ask testers to look at beta 2 in 12 hours time, or is that a time stamp still not being able to be confirmed?21:46
skaetphillw,  yes,  that should be about right.21:47
infinityphillw: Instead of saying "test something in 12 hours", you're better off just saying "test the next image".21:47
* skaet likes that better21:48
phillwI know you guys on -release work to that last minute, but when can we ask to testers to come crawl over everything?21:48
infinityDeadlines we can't meet just make everyone grumpy.21:48
phillwinfinity: I love the wooshing sound that deadlines make as they pass my ear :)21:48
phillwyou guys release the QA-Beta 2 when you are ready. and for that side of thinking... you will just have to trust me. The testers would rather hold back & then blast the QA release that piddle along with the dailies. You guys & Gals? Just make it work. And you always do.21:51
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Laneydpkg is so hideous on this machine22:06
LaneyI think I need to join team SSD22:06
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xnoxplars: thanks a lot for your bug reports. Very useful. I will see how many I can fix.23:10
xnoxkeep them comming ;-)23:10
skaetinfinity,  why did you accept the gst-* set?23:16
* skaet assumes it was you23:16
skaetnever mind23:17
skaetseeing they're universe now.23:17
skaetinfinity,  the new build linux kernel (amd64) updated and loaded fine on my laptop.    We should be good to go when armel/armhf/powerpc finish building.23:18
* skaet --> dinner23:18
infinityskaet: I know.23:18
phillwskaet: may I have a PM?23:34
* smartboyhw is also wondering what last-minute kernels can disrupt beta 2 build..23:36
cjwatsonsmartboyhw: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/3.5.0-15.23 has the bug references23:37

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