[00:35] <rick_h_> woot! https://plus.google.com/116120911388966791792/posts/AzF2YfvbtoQ
[00:47] <snap-l> Just saw it
[00:47] <snap-l> That is awesome.
[01:18] <rick_h_droid> yea getting psyched to get something done. big milestone.
[01:28] <snap-l> My only reason for using Rhythmbox nowadays is to determine the length of a playlist. Congratulations, now that doesn't even work.
[01:35] <snap-l> OK, now it's working. Feh
[01:56] <jcastro__> snap-l, http://ue.logitech.com/en-us
[01:56] <jcastro__> looks like they relaunched everything
[02:20] <snap-l> http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/09/23/on-the-recent-dash-improvements/#comment-660468666
[02:22] <snap-l> jcastro__: Damnit, I hope they don't discontinue the touch.
[02:25] <snap-l> And hard-core Squeezebox fans will lament the lack of interoperability with existing Squeezebox products.
[02:25] <snap-l> Stay away.
[02:25] <snap-l> http://reviews.cnet.com/portable-audio-devices/logitech-ue-smart-radio/4505-6450_7-35419331.html
[02:25] <rick_h_> hmmm, custom fit in ear headphones...
[02:27] <snap-l> Motherfucker.
[02:28] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[02:28] <snap-l> http://www.audiostream.com/content/did-logitech-just-kill-squeezebox
[02:28] <snap-l> Apparently Logitech discontinued the Squeezebox
[02:30] <rick_h_> ugh
[02:30] <rick_h_> just been using ours a ton lately
[02:30] <snap-l> Yeah, in favor of that dippy UE radio
[02:30] <snap-l> And just after the article.
[02:34] <rick_h_> ugh, have to visit 'your local audiologist' to get impressions before you can get the fit headphones
[02:43] <snap-l> Well, I'm glad I got my article in Linux Journal this month instead of last month
[02:44] <rick_h_> yea, good timing I guess
[02:44] <snap-l> s/last/next/
[02:44] <rick_h_> yea, I gotcha
[02:44] <snap-l> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?96188-New-Squeezebox-Radio
[02:46] <rick_h_> well at least they're addressing the UX problems
[02:46] <snap-l> And it's nice they OSSed it so if they do decide to completely drop it or braindamage it, it can be recovered by the community
[02:51] <jrwren> OH: "nice move shuttleworth"
[11:35] <rick_h_> love this https://twitter.com/alex_gaynor/status/250106469427597312
[11:35] <rick_h_> oh and morning and all that
[11:55] <snap-l> rick_h_: Mildly deprecated? Is that like "mostly dead"?
[11:56] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, can't figure that one out. "You really shouldn't use this...it might disappear...but who can say"
[11:58] <brousch> I'm sure a DIY replacement based on rasperrypi will be out soon
[11:58] <brousch> Sorry, that was last night's squeezebox discussion
[11:59] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, there is a pretty strong core community
[11:59] <snap-l> and one of the engineers is pretty active
[12:00] <snap-l> but I fear what happens when he gets tired and leaves.
[12:00] <snap-l> I think Logitech really boned this one
[12:01] <rick_h_> well, tbh, there's a need for a cleaner UX product in the line thugoh
[12:02] <rick_h_> it's not competing with the sonos/google tv, apple tv stuff of the world. And I know those say TV but they're music centers
[12:02] <snap-l> True, but killing the existing line is not the way to do it.
[12:02] <rick_h_> but with apps and such
[12:31] <Blazeix> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054282
[12:32]  * rick_h_ shuts down the internet
[12:38] <brousch> Unity has pr0n built-in now?! I'm switching!
[12:49] <snap-l> I'm of two minds on that. On the one hand, the world is not made up of your narrow minded view of what is appropriate
[12:50] <snap-l> On the other hand, if you're providing a shopping service in the OS, expect there to be minors using it.
[12:50] <snap-l> In other words: if you're an adult, grow up. If you're not an adult, you have plenty of time to find this shit out later.
[12:51] <rick_h_> my problem is in the comments. pulling out marks old comments on the wallpaper options
[12:51] <rick_h_> that's just troll feeding there
[12:51] <snap-l> Yeah, that's not appropriate
[12:52] <snap-l> And frankly, it's not in the same context
[12:52] <rick_h_> the joys of the internet
[12:52] <snap-l> It's a compelling strawman
[12:53] <snap-l> but if my mom starts typing something into her OS "Grey" and "50 shades of..." shows up, she'll be rather perplexed.
[12:54] <snap-l> at least, I hope she would be, after she went on about how some 90 year old woman in one of her clubs happened to have it on her kindle.
[12:54] <snap-l> (always the quiet ones)
[15:33] <rick_h_> bwuhahaha, and LP is faster for all
[15:37] <brousch> Go rick_h_!
[16:09] <snap-l> Is anyone else seeing 0 subscribers for their feeds on Feedburner?
[16:10] <snap-l> lococast, and all of my burned feeds are 0
[16:10] <rick_h_> dammit! amazon quit 503'ing on me and let me give you money!
[16:10] <rick_h_> snap-l: hmm, feed shows up but yea seeing the 0
[16:12] <snap-l> strange
[16:13] <snap-l> http://feedburnerstatus.blogspot.com/2012/09/known-issue-subscriber-counts-and-stats.html
[16:13] <snap-l> At least it's a known issue.
[16:32] <snap-l> btw: OLF is this weekend.
[16:32] <snap-l> Free registration ends on Wednesday.
[16:32] <snap-l> Also, we're hoping to share some space with the Ohio team, so if anyone is interested in helping out, please feel free
[16:33] <snap-l> I'd like to get a count of everyone who can volunteer so we can plan out staffing the booth.
[17:00] <rick_h_> jcastro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6K_n8DtDl2k is the youtube I'm watching
[17:01] <jcastro> rick_h_can you get me the embed url to that?
[17:02] <rick_h_> jcastro: https://pastebin.canonical.com/75176/
[18:49] <jrwren> rofl, i typed into my squeeze window on accident and triggered repeat
[18:49] <jrwren> i couldn't figure out why this song always had 2 min left
[18:49] <snap-l> hah
[18:49] <jrwren> snap-l: exactly
[19:03] <rick_h__> brousch: how did that make/fabric thing go?
[19:05] <brousch> rick_h_: Pretty well
[19:05] <brousch> I'm trying fabric on another project
[19:05] <rick_h__> cool
[19:05] <brousch> I'm struggling with the local/remote part of it
[19:05] <rick_h__> yea, that's the diconnect/reason to use one vs the other
[19:06] <brousch> Like I want to run create_virtualenv locally and remotely, so I end up SShing into my own localhost
[19:06] <brousch> Seems silly to me
[19:06] <rick_h__> right
[19:07] <brousch> But then I'm told that's actually useful for uncovering assumptions you've made or environment vars that you've set, like paths
[19:07] <rick_h__> yea, but you end up coding paths that change on systems perhaps while make just defaults to the cwd
[19:08] <brousch> Yeah, that's exactly what I've run into
[19:08] <brousch> With Make my paths all work, with Fabric, I have to hardcode at least 1 path
[19:08] <rick_h__> right
[19:09] <brousch> Which seems like it will break when I deploy
[19:09] <rick_h__> http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/09/24/14071703-airplane-windows-are-sealed-for-a-reason forget the politics...but funny
[19:09] <brousch> I haven't tried function parameters in Make, but it's not too annoying in Fabric
[19:10] <rick_h__> yea, if I've got to repeat things across 10 front end servers I'll use fabric
[19:10] <rick_h__> but all fabric will be doing is calling make commands on each machine
[19:11] <brousch> I mnea, when I wrap something like the South commands which require a specific app as a paramter
[19:13] <brousch> python manage.py migrateschema <app> <--initial|--auto>
[19:13] <rick_h__> right
[19:13] <brousch> So how would passing paramters work in Make?
[19:13] <rick_h__> so you need to use the stacking of things to setup env vars
[19:13] <rick_h__> fabric prod migrate
[19:13] <rick_h__> where prod() is a function to setup the app initial/auto
[19:14] <brousch> Well in fabric I just use the paramters thing that's built in
[19:14] <brousch> fab migrateschema:<app>,<--initial>
[19:14] <brousch> I'm wondering how Make does that
[19:15] <rick_h__> with env vars
[19:15] <rick_h__> make APP=something INITIAL=true migate
[19:15] <rick_h__> and then in your makefile you're looking for $APP and $INITIAL
[19:15] <rick_h__> or something like that
[19:16] <brousch> Ah
[19:16] <brousch> Seems clunkier
[19:16] <rick_h__> it's how I override the ini file to use. I've got a var in my Makefile BOOKIE_INI
[19:16] <rick_h__> so make BOOKIE_INI=test_bookie.ini install
[19:16] <rick_h__> will run make test, but with the BOOKIE_INI var overridden
[19:17] <brousch> I think once I understand the local/remote thing I'll like Fabric more
[19:18] <rick_h__> yea
[19:19] <brousch> Right now, I'm using it for stuff I did with Make, and the local/remote is getting in the way
[19:19] <rick_h__> right, and that's why I said your talk was good because they really are meant for two different use cases imo
[19:19] <brousch> Part of it is my dislike of SSH keys
[19:21] <brousch> I need to bite the bullet on those
[19:21] <rick_h__> dude, can't live without
[19:21] <rick_h__> ssh keys are one of the most amazing things ever
[19:21] <rick_h__> though I do wish mass management were better and I'd use more different keys I think
[19:22] <snap-l> I use different keys per machine
[19:22] <brousch> PAsswords are in my head, keys are something I have to drag around with me
[19:22] <snap-l> It's really straightforward
[19:22] <snap-l> brousch: Passwords allow anyone access who knows the phrase
[19:23] <brousch> So do keys, but the phrase is a lot longer
[19:23] <snap-l> Passwords are like having a bouncer outside of your house. SSH Keys are like having good locks.
[19:23] <rick_h__> no, they need the key and the phrase
[19:23] <rick_h__> that's two bits of info vs 1
[19:24] <devinheitmueller> SSH keys probably wouldn't get such user frustration if the OpenSSH people didn't do such a horrifically crappy job of exposing enough logging to figure out why they don't work.
[19:25] <rick_h__> yea, I mean I would go nuts with every ssh/bzr/git connection needed a password
[19:28] <rick_h__> I'm only logged into 4 machines currently with about 20 pushes to repos today
[19:28] <brousch> Yeah, I have always had very few machines, so it's not been a problem for me
[20:17] <rick_h__> it shouldn't have but made me laugh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkDz4wMI9J8
[20:18] <jrwren> anyone know nick portelli ?
[20:19] <jrwren> did you see the hitler gangnam style? i was laughing so much!
[20:20] <rick_h__> hmm, know a few nick's but don't know last names so not sure I guess. Should I know him?
[20:25] <jrwren> mid michigan, but wasn't sure if he was an ubuntu guy.
[20:27] <snap-l> name not ringing a bell
[20:28] <jrwren> plus, IMO he just trolled me pretty hard, or he is really brainwashed by his .NET dev and MSFT lov.
[20:29] <snap-l> jrwren: That had to be an epic troll of history.
[20:32] <greg-g> jrwren:  that is awesome (for others: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nv6C25XYps )
[20:32] <greg-g> jrwren: there's a two hour version ;)
[20:35] <jrwren> greg-g: oh, i haven't seen teh extended version
[20:36] <rick_h__> that scares me that someone would put together 2hrs
[20:36] <jrwren> greg-g: that one is terrible IMO
[20:36] <jrwren> oh, maybe only the first 15 seconds was bad.
[20:37] <jrwren> wtf, there is a 10hr version?!?!?!?!?!
[20:37] <jrwren> but holy shit did they mess up the audio on this
[20:37] <greg-g> oh, it was the first one for hitler gangnam :/
[20:39] <jrwren> and apparently i wasn't logged into youtube when I watched a different one, becuase I cannot find it.
[20:40] <snap-l> FFS
[20:40] <snap-l> Apparently this is this generation's Macarena.
[20:40] <jrwren> hrm, or who let the dogs out
[20:40] <jrwren> I feel much more positive about gangnam style though.
[20:40] <jrwren> greg-g: oh yeah, this has much better audio quality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Eo5YU_ueJc
[20:43] <jrwren> snap-l: did you read the atlantic article about gangnam style ?
[20:43] <jrwren> http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/gangnam-style-dissected-the-subversive-message-within-south-koreas-music-video-sensation/261462/
[20:44] <snap-l> jrwren: I listened to NPR. I know more than I ever cared about Gangnam style
[20:47] <snap-l> All I know is it got stupid when someone started mentioning Gungan style, and at that point I stopped caring.
[20:47] <jrwren> hahaha, i'd have liked to hear the npr piece
[20:48] <greg-g> yesssss https://plus.google.com/photos/108533366695714736629/albums/5791841023205899921/5791841029697780978
[20:48] <jrwren> i equate gangnam style closer to livin lavida loca
[20:49] <jrwren> The only reason to grow a beard is for the joy of shaving it and feeling cleanly shaved again.
[20:57] <jcastro> greg-g, hey hippie
[20:57] <jcastro> I got a worm inn
[20:57] <jcastro> http://www.theworminn.com/
[20:58] <brousch> That sounds like a bad thing
[20:58] <jcastro> worms are awesome
[20:59] <brousch> OH weird. You do it in your house?
[20:59] <dzho> why not?
[20:59] <dzho> they're quiet
[20:59] <dzho> not as cuddly, but less smelly, than a dog
[21:00] <brousch> I guess with 2 dogs and a 4 year old I'd be worried about the potential for disaster
[21:01] <dzho> yeah, you need a basement or something that's a little more off-limits
[21:01] <dzho> the scope for disaster is approximately that of the scope of a disaster of someone getting into the kitchen garbage
[21:01] <dzho> depending on how much worm tea you generate and let accumulate
[21:02] <dzho> because if you build up worm tea and someone tips it, that could get a little messy.
[21:02] <brousch> I have added a very sturdy wire wrap for the garbage due to dogs getting in there
[21:02] <dzho> yow
[21:32] <jcastro> dzho, so supposedly it doesn't drip much
[21:32] <jcastro> they come out fluffy with this one since it's more aerated than say, the solid ones that are made of plastic
[21:32] <jcastro> still, they recommend a bucket underneath
[21:38] <snap-l> Yeah, to catch all of the worm vomit.