[05:17] <Squirm> morning
[05:22] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[05:58] <superfly> you people are up too early, go back to bed
[08:49] <mazal> Môre mense
[08:49] <mazal> Morning people
[08:49] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[08:49] <mazal> Gaanit Oom Kilos ?
[08:49] <Kilos> goed dankie en jy
[08:50] <mazal> Moeg gebou aan die 64bit , maar is darem nou klaar en lyk alles werk weer :)
[08:50] <Kilos> ai
[08:50] <mazal> Nou kort ek net nuwe pc lol
[08:51] <Kilos> hehe
[08:52] <Kilos> wat het jy nou dat jy n nuwe een soek
[08:53] <mazal> Ek het nog 'n Core2duo 2.8ghz , hy werk mooi maar ek het begin video editing doen. Ek maak dvd's skoon en dan convert ek hulle weer terug na dvd toe. Die probleem is te min ram en cpu nie sterk genoeg nie
[08:53] <mazal> Dis hoekom ek moet oorgaan het na 64bit toe ook dat ek meer ram kan gebruik
[08:54] <Kilos> ah
[08:54] <mazal> So nou het ek solank die OS gebou en iso gemaak , dan kan ek net my iso install as ek pc kry
[08:54] <mazal> Gelukkig my huidige cpu is 64bit so ek kon dit solank doen
[08:56] <Kilos> gelukkig ne
[08:57] <Kilos> ek het 12.04 server cd 64b maar pc is 32b
[08:58] <Kilos> so dit sal na my seun toe gaan vir sy werk server
[08:58] <mazal> Ek het "getunede" iso's 32bit en 64bit
[08:58] <Kilos> hi Trix[a]r_za 
[08:58] <mazal> All die codecs en software en all en all klaar in. Werk soos 'n bom as mens moet re-install
[08:58] <Kilos> lol ek like daai woord
[08:59] <mazal> Hehehe , ja soms noem ek dit sommer die "MazBuild"
[09:01] <Kilos> haha
[09:01] <mazal> 'n ou moet dit maar doen. Ek het nou weer gesien 'n vars install het naby aan 1gig se downloads vir updates , codecs , multimedia support en ekstra software
[09:02] <mazal> 'n ou kannie dit elke keer doen nie
[09:02] <mazal> Vat te veel tyd en data en moeite
[09:02] <Kilos> nee man
[09:03] <Kilos> doen rsync van jou archives
[09:03] <mazal> Dan moet mens nog steeds die install deel doen en die tyd wat dit vat
[09:03] <mazal> Met 'n iso doen jy niks
[09:03] <Kilos> maak n partisie wat jy storage noem
[09:03] <mazal> Install en als is klaar daar
[09:04] <Kilos> oh ja maar is dit op dvd
[09:04] <mazal> My /home en my data self doen ek rsync ja
[09:04] <Kilos> sal te groot wees vir cd
[09:04] <mazal> Yep , myne is so 1.8gig
[09:04] <mazal> Dis net die system self wat in die iso kom
[09:04] <mazal> My data en my home backup ek net apart
[09:05] <Kilos> o ja ek rsync home en archives
[09:06] <mazal> Wat ek ook doen is om al my groot data (musiek , flieks , pics ens) op 'n aparte partisie te sit
[09:06] <Kilos> en dejadup backup werk goed
[09:06] <mazal> Dieselfde as /home , aparte partisie
[09:06] <Kilos> ja myne is op n /storage partisie
[09:07] <mazal> Dan wanneer ek re-install install ek my "getunede" iso en ek format nie /home en /data nie en vola
[09:07] <mazal> Binne letterlike minute is die hele system net alles soos hy was
[09:07] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:07] <mazal> Is even vinniger as image
[09:08] <mazal> As jou hele hdd breek dan vat dit bietjie langer want dan moet mens /home en /data terugsit vanaf jou backup af
[09:08] <mazal> Maar ten minste het jy niks wat jy moet re-install nie
[09:08] <Kilos> ja
[09:09] <mazal> Deja het ek nog nooit gebruik nie
[09:09] <mazal> Ek bly maar 'n fan van rsync vir home
[09:09] <Kilos> dit wer mooi
[09:09] <Kilos> werk
[09:09] <Kilos> nog nie op 12.04 dit preobeer nie
[09:09] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:10] <Kilos> probeer
[09:10] <mazal> hehehehe
[09:10] <mazal> Ek sal bietjie met hom speel eendag
[09:10] <Kilos> ek rsync ook want data dooi my
[09:11] <mazal> Maar ek het so baie custom backups en archives van /home en /data dat rsync jobs maar die maklikste werk
[09:11] <Kilos> dejadup maak jou backup laat jy nie weet jy weer instaleer het nie
[09:12] <Kilos> al email goed en chat contacts en als is daar
[09:12] <mazal> Ek is baie paranoies as dit kom by backups. Ek het 2 externals. Die een hardloop elke dag net 'n straight backup. Dan het ek tweede een waarna elke Vrydag 'n "weekly" gedoen word met 5 verskillende folders , een vir elke week van die maand
[09:13] <Kilos> hehe
[09:13] <mazal> En elke week kry 'n rsync van /home en /data en 'n vol image van redo en 'n nuutste iso
[09:13] <mazal> En maak SEKER
[09:14] <mazal> En die tweede een word nog in 'n kluis toegesluit ook LOL
[09:14] <Kilos> al fout met backups is as daar iets nie reg werk nie dan backup jy dit na die volgende instal
[09:14] <mazal> Dis hoekom ek 5 sperate weke het
[09:14] <mazal> Dan kan ek een week teruggaan
[09:14] <Kilos> hahaha
[09:14] <mazal> Want ek het al in daai gat getrap van 'n fout backup
[09:15] <mazal> Dan hoef ek darem net 1 week se updates te doen
[09:15] <Kilos> ja ek ook, tot met 12.04 eergister
[09:16] <mazal> Die probleem is dan om te weet wat presies die system gebreek het
[09:16] <Kilos> gespeel met iptables om 2de pc te laat 3g gebruik maar to ek volgende oggend boot was nm siek
[09:16] <mazal> Meeste van die tyd kyk mens nie eers wat jy update nie
[09:18] <mazal> Hehe ja nee kyk , ek moes al baie oor install so ek het nou al geleer om eerder te veel backups te hê as te min
[09:18] <Kilos> nou install ek sakis3g en gnome-ppp voor ek weer beging speel
[09:19] <Kilos> maar dis die lekker van pcs. hopelik leer jy by elke fout
[09:20] <Kilos> en met rsyncs voor jy die ding crash kos dit nie baie data om oor te begin nie
[09:25] <mazal> Ek gaan sommer nou bietjie met deja speel terwyl ons op die onderwerp van genoeg backups is ;)
[09:25] <Kilos> lol
[09:26] <Kilos> ek dink nuvolari het my van dit vertel paar jaar terug
[09:26] <Squirm> my boss just asked me to set up a Linux Terminal Server
[09:27] <Squirm> and good day to all
[09:27] <Kilos> hey Squirm thats good news
[09:27] <Kilos> ians dit as well
[09:28] <mazal> Lo Squirm
[09:29] <mazal> Ek sien nie waar mens hom stel hoe laat hy moet backup nie ?
[09:29] <Kilos> o
[09:30] <Kilos> sjoe jy kan
[09:30] <Kilos> kyk mooi na als
[09:31] <mazal> Ek kry net 'n "daily" , maar nie hoe laat nie
[09:35] <mazal> En hy het nou 'n eerste een gedoen , maar die data is nie daar op die destination nie , hmmm
[09:36] <Kilos> lol
[09:36] <Kilos> ek het ook n paar keer gesukkel tot ek dit reg gekry het
[09:42] <Kilos> dis klaar in 12.04
[09:42] <Kilos> sien dit nou eers
[09:44] <mazal> Ek sien nou hy maak folders soos hy wil basies
[09:44] <mazal> Hy aanvaar nie wat jy vir hom gee nie
[09:45] <Kilos> op 10.10 het dit
[09:45] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/145698/where-does-deja-dup-keep-its-config-files
[09:51] <mazal> Ha ! Lyk my ek het hom nou reg. Hy het net 'n unieke manier wat jy die destination moet gee
[09:52] <Kilos> skryf neer sodat ek dit by jou kan kry
[09:53] <Kilos> ek wil eers als kry dat dit werk weer dan n backup maak
[09:59] <mazal> Hy lyk heel nice , net jammer ek kannie vir hom sê hoe laat hy moet backup nie. Dan kon ek schedule vir wanneer ek weet ek nie besig is nie
[10:04] <mazal> 'n Ander ding wat ek wonder is of dit saak maak wat die destination drive se formaat is (NTFS , EXT4 ens.) Bv. as mens backup na 'n NTFS drive toe en jy restore , sal hy self die file en folder permissions regmaak met die restore ?
[10:05] <mazal> Want soos met rsync moet jy na EXT4 toe gaan bv.
[10:05] <mazal> Anders verloor jy jou permissions en moet dit manually regmaak na die restore
[10:05] <mazal> Maar rsync maak 'n straight copy , en die een vat dit na compressed files toe , sy hy sal dit dalk self behou en fix
[10:06] <Kilos> ?
[10:07] <Kilos> ek maak als behalwe usb stockies ext4
[10:08] <mazal> My twee groot externals is NTFS vir as ek van my data op 'n Win pc nodig kry
[10:08] <mazal> En ek moes eenkeer voorheen my rsync home restore en hy kon nie werk nie want die permissions was toe nie reg nie
[10:08] <Kilos> nou probeer een backup soontoe en kyk
[10:09] <mazal> Ek moes my hele Home se permissions manually regmaak
[10:09] <mazal> Ek sal 'n restore moet toets om dit te sien
[10:09] <mazal> Dis die restore deel wat daai saakmaak
[10:09] <mazal> Ek gaan iets moet delete en restore
[10:09] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:10] <mazal> Laak sien , watter file is nie belangrik nie hmmmmm
[10:10] <Kilos> hoekom maak jy nie n ext4 partisie op een van die eksternes nie
[10:13] <mazal> Sharp , hy restore permissions ;)
[10:13] <Kilos> mooi
[10:13] <mazal> Het 'n file delete en toe sommer die "shortcut restore" manier ook getoets wyl ek nou besig was
[10:14] <mazal> Werk baie nice
[10:14] <mazal> Ek like die wat jy net regs click in 'n folder en sê "check for missing file"
[10:14] <mazal> Dis baie nice opsie daai
[10:14] <Kilos> ja
[10:15] <mazal> Dankie Oom Kilos , nou het ek weer iets oulik by geleer :)
[10:15] <mazal> Nou net om dit als te onthou LOL
[10:15] <Kilos> lol plesier
[10:15] <Kilos> skryf neer
[10:16] <Kilos> ek het boeke vol al geskryf
[10:16] <Kilos> nou vergeet ek wat is in watter boek
[10:16] <mazal> LOL
[10:17] <mazal> Ek het ook al 'n vrag Linux docs in my documents folder. Toe gaan ek maar naderhand en maak sub folders vir elke afdeling
[10:17] <Kilos> lol
[10:17] <Kilos> dis nog harder werk om te vind
[10:19] <mazal> Dan kan mens ten minste find command try hehehehehe
[10:19] <mazal> Of alt-f
[10:19] <Kilos> lol
[10:19] <mazal> start-f even
[10:19] <mazal> Maar wat dan gewoonlik gebeur is mens vergeet wat jy die manual genoem het lol
[10:20] <Kilos> ken jy die nico outjie op die lys
[10:20] <mazal> Nope
[11:10] <Cantide> hmm
[11:10] <Cantide> plan foiled - Ubuntu 12.04 doesn't render properly on my dad's PC
[11:10] <Cantide> .-.
[11:10] <Kilos> aw
[11:11] <Kilos> install mate
[11:11] <Kilos> on top of it
[11:11] <Kilos> what does it mean it doesnt render properly
[11:13] <Cantide> i can't take a screenshot, because it's unusable
[11:13] <Cantide> but basically i can see the background wallpaper
[11:13] <Cantide> and the mouse cursor
[11:13] <Cantide> all the panels are white blocks
[11:13] <Kilos> in 2g mode?
[11:13] <Cantide> notifications are white blocks
[11:13] <Kilos> bad install
[11:13] <Cantide> can't see anything in them either, so i can't click
[11:13] <Cantide> i didn't install - i tried the live cd
[11:14] <Kilos> try again
[11:14] <Cantide> tried it twice, same result
[11:14] <Kilos> and be more patient
[11:14] <Cantide> i was :p
[11:14] <Kilos> eish
[11:14] <tonberryE352> funny gpu?
[11:14] <Cantide> Tonberry, that was my first thought
[11:14] <Cantide> but that PC runs everything in XP just fine
[11:14] <Cantide> maybe i should try Ubuntu 10.10 on it and see how that works
[11:15] <Kilos> have you got pc specs?
[11:15] <Cantide> erm
[11:15] <Cantide> i forgot, but it's an old P4
[11:15] <Kilos> desktop
[11:15] <Cantide> onboard graphics
[11:15] <Cantide> yeah
[11:15] <Kilos> ram?
[11:15] <tonberryE352> lack of 3d rendering?
[11:15] <Cantide> 1 GB, iirc
[11:15] <Kilos> should work thats what im using
[11:15] <Cantide> Tonberry, that could be the problem with whatever default drivers are loaded in Ubuntu
[11:16] <tonberryE352> does 12.04 still support cards with no 3d rendering?
[11:16] <Cantide> and i can't switch to Unity 2d from the live CD, that i can see anyway
[11:16] <Cantide> so i think installing it will be a risk..
[11:16] <tonberryE352> try xubuntu/lubuntu if you have any cds
[11:16] <Kilos> can you run the cd live and see everything
[11:16] <Cantide> i don't .-.
[11:17] <Cantide> oh, wait
[11:17] <Cantide> i might have something..
[11:17] <Cantide> oh.. nothing
[11:17] <Cantide> just Ubuntu 10.10 and 12.04
[11:18] <Kilos> does the live cd show everything
[11:18] <Cantide> no
[11:18] <Cantide> that's what i've just explained :p
[11:18] <Kilos> uh oh
[11:18] <Kilos> try 10.10
[11:18] <Cantide> weird though - it renders fine when it gives me the option to try ubuntu or install ubuntu
[11:18] <Cantide> i can see the panel etc.
[11:19] <Cantide> but once i choose try ubuntu, then it freaks out :D
[11:19] <Cantide> i have a feeling that once it is installed i'll be able to get it working.. but i'm not sure i should risk it..
[11:20] <Kilos> and 10.10 no longer supported
[11:20] <Kilos> sigh
[11:20] <Cantide> yep
[11:21] <Kilos> might be the onboard graphics it isnt seeing
[11:21] <Cantide> so i'm not sure if i should bother installing 10.10
[11:21] <Cantide> could be...
[11:21] <Cantide> but it's pretty generic
[11:21] <Kilos> you dont have a graphics card you can try in there
[11:21] <Cantide> maybe i should put my card in there, set it up and set it to unity 2d or gnome 2.x and then remove my card
[11:21] <Cantide> just mine
[11:21] <Kilos> try
[11:22] <Kilos> im running 2d
[11:22] <Kilos> actually with mate on top
[11:22] <Cantide> hmm
[11:22] <Cantide> seems like effort
[11:22] <Cantide> haha
[11:22] <Cantide> my card is... special haha
[11:22] <Cantide> got a pencil jammed in there to hold an 80 ml fan on it
[11:22] <Kilos> just try it man
[11:22] <Cantide> not nice to take out :D
[11:22] <Kilos> lol
[11:23] <Cantide> yeah, i might do it :D
[11:23] <Cantide> can't bear to see my dad use XP much longer
[11:23] <Cantide> i feel sorry for him
[11:23] <Cantide> haha
[11:23] <Kilos> dont be lazy its for your dad
[11:25] <Cantide> :D
[11:26] <Cantide> nyeah.. that means shutting down now and playing with hardware while braaing
[11:26] <Cantide> hmm
[11:26] <Kilos> we will wait
[11:26] <Kilos> patiently
[11:26] <Kilos> plug your graphics into your onboard socket
[11:27] <mazal> Bye for now
[11:28] <mazal> God bless
[11:28] <Kilos> good luck
[11:28] <Kilos> toods mazal you too
[11:33] <Cantide> AGP board == fail :(
[11:33] <Kilos> eish
[11:33] <Cantide> i actually threw out an old AGP card a while ago :p
[11:33] <Cantide> hmm
[11:34] <Cantide> i think i'll just back up all his data
[11:34] <Cantide> and try 12.04 anyway
[11:34] <Cantide> if it fails, i'll reinstall XP
[11:34] <Kilos> ya backup first
[11:34] <Cantide> not that i have the XP CD anymore... but whatever :D
[11:34] <Cantide> let me try a 10.10 live CD first though
[11:34] <Kilos> but if 12.04 dont work try 10.10 just to see wassup
[11:34] <Cantide> brb
[11:35] <Cantide> yeha
[11:35] <Cantide> but i need to try MythTV - this is the dealbreaker
[11:35] <Cantide> and if i can't get MythTV on 10.10
[11:35] <Cantide> then.. eh..
[11:35] <Kilos> just see first if it installs
[11:35] <Kilos> if it does then 12.04 should too
[11:36] <Cantide> i'm sure it'll install
[11:36] <Cantide> just the UI is a problem..
[11:36] <Kilos> maybe 12.04 needs to actually install to get the graphics drivers installed
[11:36] <Cantide> oh, good point
[11:37] <Kilos> when it does checking hardware
[11:43] <Cantide> lol
[11:43] <Cantide> less success with 10.10
[11:43] <Cantide> just got some weird lines all over the screen with the live CD
[11:43] <Cantide> last question
[11:43] <Cantide> during the 12.04 install, will i be able to set up a new partition and leave the Windows partition intact?
[11:43] <Cantide> then i can just copy the files out of Windows from Ubuntu
[11:44] <Cantide> and then delete that partition when done
[11:44] <Cantide> this way i won't need to back up :)
[11:44] <Kilos> try installing alongside xp
[11:44] <Kilos> then it should give you the choice which one you want to boot from
[11:45] <Kilos> but i would rather backup or save important stuff first
[11:46] <Cantide> nah
[11:46] <Cantide> just my dad's PC
[11:46] <Cantide> haha
[11:46] <Cantide> but yeah, going to install 12.04 alongside XP for now..
[11:46] <Kilos> hehe
[11:46] <Kilos> nothing important on it?
[11:47] <Kilos> is he watching you?
[11:47] <Cantide> hahaha
[11:47] <Cantide> nothing important that i know of - most of the data was copied from my PC originally
[11:47] <Kilos> HIT him uncle
[11:47] <Cantide> and the rest is just CDs that he's ripped
[11:47] <Kilos> ah
[11:47] <Cantide> going offline again
[11:47] <Kilos> k
[11:47] <Cantide> gotta use my dongle there to get internet haha
[11:47] <Cantide> will update you a bit later ;)
[11:47] <Cantide> thanks for the help :)
[11:47] <Kilos> good
[11:48] <Kilos> np
[13:43] <Cantide> that didn't go according to plan
[13:43] <Cantide> haha
[14:18] <Kilos> what happened Cantide 
[14:19] <Kilos> killed windows?
[14:24] <Cantide> lol
[14:24] <Cantide> nah
[14:24] <Cantide> Windows is okay
[14:24] <Cantide> but even grub won't display
[14:25] <Cantide> so i have to just push the down arrow on the keyboard blindly in order to select Windows
[14:25] <Kilos> can you still boot to windows?
[14:25] <Cantide> definitely a graphical problem
[14:25] <Cantide> yeah
[14:25] <Cantide> with a little difficulty :p
[14:25] <Cantide> so i went to the garage and found an old nvidia FX 5200 AGP card
[14:26] <Kilos> oh the grub menu comes up but you cant see it?
[14:26] <Kilos> whew
[14:26] <Cantide> opened up the PC... then realised that it's PCI-E after all haha
[14:26] <Cantide> yeah, that's it
[14:26] <Cantide> the screen just says "frequency out of range" but if i plug my screen in then it's displayed
[14:26] <Cantide> Ubuntu just hangs though
[14:26] <Kilos> ah
[14:26] <Cantide> soooooooo
[14:27] <Cantide> i think i need to fix my brother's graphics card
[14:27] <Cantide> then put my card in my dad's PC
[14:27] <Kilos> can you get into ubuntu
[14:27] <Cantide> and use my brother's card until it breaks again haha
[14:27] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+f2
[14:27] <Cantide> nope, it hangs before it gets in
[14:27] <Cantide> what does that do?
[14:27] <Kilos> command line only
[14:27] <Cantide> aha
[14:27] <Cantide> that's actually a good idea..
[14:28] <Cantide> i could always install a different UI
[14:28] <Cantide> long story though
[14:28] <Cantide> i tried to boot the Live CD again on his PC and it hangs every time now
[14:28] <Cantide> so i actually took his HDD out and loaded Ubuntu on it on my pc
[14:28] <Cantide> then put the drive back in
[14:28] <Kilos> ah
[14:29] <Kilos> go on
[14:29] <Cantide> his PC just doesn't know what's good for it :p
[14:29] <Cantide> well, when i put the drive back in and tested it it didn't work
[14:29] <Cantide> but it works fine on my PC
[14:29] <Cantide> i still think it's a graphical problem
[14:29] <Kilos> with your card in?
[14:29] <Cantide> so first i need to fix the other card before i give him mine lol
[14:29] <Cantide> i haven't put my card in his PC yet
[14:29] <Cantide> i will try it later
[14:30] <Cantide> going to braai now now '-'
[14:30] <Kilos> lol
[14:30] <Kilos> ok
[14:30] <Cantide> this must be the most difficult Ubuntu installation ever :D
[14:30] <Kilos> i had some battles too
[14:30] <Kilos> couldnt get cds to work
[14:31] <Kilos> foung that by removing pc battery and unplugging power
[14:31] <Kilos> then set bios again it came right
[14:31] <Cantide> o_O
[14:31] <Cantide> weird..
[14:32] <Kilos> i think windows corrupts the bios so it doesnt work on other systems
[14:32] <Cantide> lol
[14:32] <Cantide> i wouldn't be surprised :p
[14:33] <Kilos> one pc i had to leave the battery out with power out for 10 mins
[14:33] <Cantide> 'o'
[14:34] <Cantide> those PCs of yours are not normal :)
[14:34] <Kilos> no they old. one was tested as a aeroplnane
[14:34] <Kilos> aeroplane
[14:35] <Kilos> out a flats window
[14:35] <Kilos> couldnt fly so dug a whole in the concrete
[14:39] <Kilos> had to get another box hdd and cdrom but has worked well since being rebuilt
[14:39] <Cantide> hahahaha
[14:39] <Cantide> sounds like something i've done to a few PCs :D
[14:57] <Kilos> whew
[14:58] <Kilos> you from that other tribe that believes when in doubt use a hammer
[14:58] <Kilos> the bigger the doubt the bigger the hammer
[15:23] <Cantide> haha
[15:23] <Cantide> not really - we had some oooold PCs that no longer worked, so we literally threw them out :)
[16:18] <magespawn> howdy all
[16:18] <Kilos> hi superfly and other lurkers
[16:18] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[16:19] <magespawn> how you doing on this nearly finished heritage day?
[16:19] <Kilos> lol struggling as usual
[16:20] <Kilos> when i connect network cable xchat and pidgin disconnect
[16:20] <Kilos> even though it still shows connected
[16:20] <magespawn> sounds like it 8s stil trying to route everything through the cable
[16:21] <magespawn> is still
[16:24] <Kilos> ya and it worked so lukker. should never have switched off for the night
[16:24] <Kilos> lekker
[16:31] <Kilos> i get a good chuckle outa QP at times. i say hi and she says hoe gaan dit
[16:32] <Kilos> was that your input tumbleweed 
[16:33] <tumbleweed> don't think so, although I wrote the code behind that
[16:33] <Kilos> lol
[16:33] <Kilos> the daily build works kiff
[16:33] <Kilos> even if not built daily
[16:53] <Kilos> yay modem manager gui ca see smses that have come to the 3g modem
[17:13] <magespawn> cool Kilos
[17:14] <magespawn> superfly good luck with OpenLP final release 2.0
[17:23] <magespawn> brb
[17:28] <superfly> thanks magespawn
[17:32] <Kilos> hi smile superfly 
[17:32] <magespawn> superfly i would like to show the software to a friend of mine
[17:32] <smile> :)
[17:32] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:33] <superfly> magespawn: you don't need my permission ;-)
[17:34] <magespawn> mm i suppose but this way you know people are getting to know about it
[17:37] <superfly> magespawn: indeed, I do like to hear when people are using, and more so when they are happy using it
[17:39] <magespawn> will keep you up to date
[17:39] <magespawn> maybe i can get him to come here
[17:40] <superfly> magespawn: we have an IRC channel here on Freenode, #openlp
[17:40] <magespawn> cool will let him know about that too
[17:56] <Kilos> where do i see these logs for 2 nights ago please
[17:56] <Kilos> i cant find what to enable for this ip thingie
[17:57] <Kilos> and have reinstalled without backups so cant see old scroll back
[17:57] <superfly> Kilos: this is IRC, there are no logs
[17:57] <smile> Kilos: maybe on http://irclogs.ubuntu.com ? ;)
[17:58] <magespawn> Kilos was it in this channel or on yours?
[17:58] <Kilos> oh my goodness superfly now how i gonna find what file to gedit
[17:59] <smile> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/09/04/%23ubuntu-za.html <- Kilos 
[17:59] <Kilos> it musta been here i think magespawn  because i had to delete a hash in something 
[18:00] <magespawn> yes i remember will scroll back see if i can find it
[18:00] <superfly> Kilos: when you receive instructions, open gedit and save them to a text file
[18:00] <superfly> Kilos: but I think the command you're looking for is this: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp+ -j MASQUERADE
[18:01] <Kilos> no i saved that superfly it was something i had to delete the hash
[18:01] <Kilos> QP has this command saved
[18:04] <Kilos> wrong day smile 
[18:04] <Kilos> but ty
[18:04] <smile> Kilos: you can change the date :)
[18:04] <Kilos> oh ok i try that
[18:05] <magespawn> #net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
[18:05] <magespawn> ^that has there
[18:06] <Kilos> ya magespawn 
[18:06] <magespawn> has=hash
[18:06] <Kilos> just before that
[18:06] <magespawn> brb
[18:06] <Kilos> what was that line in
[18:07] <magespawn> Kerbero, do i just delete the hash in this line?
[18:07] <magespawn> # Uncomment the next line to enable packet forwarding for IPv4
[18:07] <magespawn> #net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
[18:08] <magespawn> not sure that is all i can find so far
[18:08] <Kilos> ya but what file is it in
[18:08] <Kilos> /etc/something?
[18:08] <Kerbero> jes
[18:08] <Kerbero> /etc/sysctl.conf
[18:08] <Kilos> hi Kerbero 
[18:08] <Kilos> thats it 
[18:08] <Kilos> dankie man
[18:08] <magespawn> hi Kerbero
[18:10] <Kilos> magespawn, i thought i saved everything but also only from where you see
[18:10] <Kilos> hehe
[18:11] <smile> :p
[18:11] <Kilos> ty smile now i can even say what when i disconnected
[18:12] <smile> :DD
[18:12] <Kilos> hahaha i can even see them saying hope he didnt move modem
[18:14] <magespawn> brb fish bed time
[18:17] <Kilos> hey Kerbero when i booted next morning my nm was dead
[18:18] <Kilos> gota command to start it but it kept dying every 5 mins then wouldnt start anymore
[18:18] <Kilos> so i did a clean  install
[18:19] <Squirm> good evening people
[18:19] <Kilos> now slowly trying to catch up and get ready for next install
[18:19] <smile> :P
[18:19] <Kilos> hey Squirm 
[18:19] <Kilos> we got the sharing thing going Squirm 
[18:19] <Kilos> for one night
[18:20] <Squirm> hmm
[18:20] <Squirm> well, it's better than nothing
[18:20] <Kilos> lotsa stuff to learn
[18:21] <Kilos> iptable stuff
[18:21] <Kilos> was very lekker
[18:21] <Squirm> I'll have to know iptables for my RHCE I want to do
[18:21] <Squirm> I'm going to die
[18:22] <Cantide> hah!
[18:22] <Cantide> so i got it working
[18:22] <Cantide> seems the TV card was causing problems
[18:22] <Cantide> sorted that out
[18:22] <Kilos> what did you do Cantide 
[18:22] <Cantide> and now trying to set up mythtv
[18:22] <Cantide> just took the tv card out, cleaned it and put it back in
[18:23] <Kilos> thats lucky
[18:23] <Cantide> yeah
[18:23] <Cantide> grub still doesn't display
[18:23] <Cantide> but ubuntu works :)
[18:23] <Kilos> you should blow out all the dust on mb and cpufan and power supply fan too
[18:24] <Kilos> grub then hasnt got that 10 sec thing set
[18:24] <Cantide> yeah... but lazy now
[18:24] <Kilos> lol
[18:24] <Cantide> oh, it has, if i leave it it goes into ubuntu
[18:24] <Kilos> but good it works
[18:24] <Cantide> but i just can't see the options :p
[18:24] <Cantide> yeah
[18:25] <Cantide> who here knows a lot about mythtv setup?
[18:25] <Cantide> need it to search for the tuner, but i don't know how..
[18:27] <Kilos> http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/mythtv_0.25/precise/main/base/mythtv
[18:27] <smile> good night everyone :)
[18:28] <smile> byee :p
[18:28] <Kilos> do they say there?
[18:28] <Kilos> night smile sleep tight
[18:28] <smile> thanks Kilos 
[18:29] <Cantide> i'll check that link. thanks :)
[18:29] <magespawn> back
[18:29] <Cantide> oh... it's just a link to the package
[18:29] <Cantide> which i've installed
[18:29] <Cantide> wb, magespawn :p
[18:30] <magespawn> hey Cantide
[18:30] <magespawn> played around with mythbuntu for a while
[18:30] <magespawn> just on a pc though without a remote
[18:32] <Cantide> i just need it to pick up the tuner
[18:32] <Cantide> no idea where the settings are for that
[18:34] <magespawn> no  i only used it as a media server for my external drive
[18:35] <Cantide> oh /o
[18:35] <Cantide> google will save me
[18:37] <magespawn> google is your friend
[18:37] <Kilos> eish
[18:37] <Cantide> :D
[18:37] <Kilos> i dont like google
[18:38] <Kilos> too many things to look at
[18:38] <Cantide> brb
[18:44] <Squirm> Kilos: you said it
[18:44] <Squirm> this Terminal server is going to be fun
[18:44] <magespawn> ahh well that is true
[18:44] <Squirm> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
[18:44] <Kilos> enjoy
[18:44] <Squirm> looks really good though
[18:48] <magespawn> thin client stuff?
[18:49] <Kilos> hi simeon 
[18:52] <Squirm> magespawn: old, diskless systems
[18:53] <magespawn> good for small old systems
[18:53] <Squirm> magespawn: yeah. at the end of the year we're upgrading a lab. so we'll have about 20 old machines. my boss wants to have minimal maintenance on those, the hdds are a good place to start :P
[18:54] <magespawn> you work at that midlands school hey?
[18:54] <Cantide> heh
[18:54] <Squirm> and most of what they will be used for is web based applications anyway, platform independant
[18:54] <Cantide> seems i needed to run the backend setup
[18:54] <Squirm> magespawn: indeed. Treverton
[18:54] <magespawn> Does the school buy the machines?
[18:54] <Squirm> yes
[18:55] <magespawn> mm my kids school does not have that sort of money
[18:55] <magespawn> we need to get donations
[18:56] <Squirm> magespawn: yeah... we're a good private school. every few years we upgrade a lab
[18:56] <magespawn> yes Cantide works like a webserver i think'
[18:56] <Squirm> but the parents pay for it anyway :/
[18:56] <Cantide> damn, reboot again lol
[18:56] <Cantide> yeah
[18:56] <magespawn> mm thats true
[18:56] <Cantide> tricky little thing..
[18:56] <Cantide> brb
[18:56] <Squirm> Cantide: you shouldn't 'have to' reboot with linux
[18:56] <magespawn> do you keep the old ones?
[18:56] <Cantide> brb
[18:57] <Squirm> magespawn: we try and use them until they're dead... like now, turning them into terminal clients. or we put them in classrooms, etc
[18:58] <Squirm> so they'll run until the motherboard packs up
[18:58] <magespawn> right the same here
[18:59] <Squirm> magespawn: where does your son go?
[18:59] <magespawn> and on the smallest budget
[18:59] <magespawn> Hluhluwe Primary
[18:59] <Squirm> the primary school I went to like that as well
[19:00] <Squirm> government school with ~270 students
[19:00] <magespawn> i think this is about 300
[19:01] <magespawn> but very good teschers and the class sizes are fine
[19:01] <Squirm> yeah, same with my primary school
[19:01] <Squirm> my mom is actually a teacher there
[19:01] <Squirm> and I did their network
[19:03] <magespawn> we are looking at doing some changes it is a bit of a mess at the moment
[19:03] <magespawn> was very interested in SchoolTool
[19:07] <magespawn> www.schooltool.org/
[19:12] <Cantide> mythtv is driving me crazy :D
[19:25] <magespawn> superfly you got a second? or anyone who knows python?
[19:35] <Kilos> Kerbero, im stuck. you busy?
[19:35] <Kilos> hey magespawn we the battlers
[19:36] <Kilos> ive followed all the same things but this time it dont work
[19:36] <zeref> magespawn: I know some python
[19:39] <magespawn> zeref can i pm you?
[19:41] <magespawn> thats not so good Kilos?
[19:41] <Kilos> weird
[19:41] <Kilos> at least it isnt disconnecting me here anymore
[19:42] <superfly> magespawn: back
[19:42] <magespawn> perhaps somewhere else python question?
[19:43] <magespawn> pm
[19:43] <magespawn> ?
[19:49] <superfly> magespawn: sure
[19:49] <superfly> depends on the level of privacy... if it's a more general question, the channel would benefit from the conversation
[19:50] <magespawn> okay
[19:51] <magespawn> Assign the variable the_machine_goes to the string "Ping!" then print it out
[19:51] <magespawn> how would you do this?
[19:52] <magespawn> like so
[19:53] <magespawn> the_machine_goes = 
[19:53] <magespawn> the_machine_goes = "Ping!"
[19:53] <magespawn> print the_machine_goes
[19:53] <magespawn> ahh idiot 
[19:54] <magespawn> in the practice i was leaving out the "!"
[19:54] <magespawn> that i why i kept getting it wrong
[19:54] <magespawn> lol
[19:55] <magespawn> thanks
[19:55] <Kilos> hmmm self help too
[19:55] <Kilos> well done magespawn 
[19:56] <magespawn> helps if you have to show or talk to somebody else
[19:56] <Kilos> yes it does
[19:56] <magespawn> sometimes shows up the stupid mistakes
[20:02] <superfly> Maaz: google for rubber duck debugging
[20:02] <Maaz> superfly: "Rubber duck debugging - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging :: "Rubber Duck Debugging" http://www.rubberduckdebugging.com/ :: "Coding Horror: Rubber Duck Problem Solving" http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/03/rubber-duck-problem-solving.html :: "Rubber Duck Debugging | Verbose Logging" http://verboselogging.com/2011/03/28/rubber-duck-debugging :: "Rubber Duck Debugging - An inte
[20:03] <Kilos> haha a rubber duck is that boat surf life savers use
[20:11] <magespawn> hah very cool superfly
[20:12]  * magespawn goes to find a rubber duck or suitable sub
[20:25] <Kilos-> hmm
[20:25] <magespawn> i am out of here, night all, thanks for the help
[20:25] <Kilos-> night magespawn 
[20:26] <Kilos-> sleep tight
[20:26] <magespawn> cheers Kilos
[20:31] <Kilos-> night all. sleep tight