[01:29]  * AngelForget is away: Sono occupato
[02:28] <tweakste1> does Lubuntu also allow encrypting the /home partition after installation?
[03:24] <holstein> tweakste1: http://askubuntu.com/questions/148681/encrypting-home-directory-on-12-04
[03:24] <holstein> wow... missed em' by *that* much
[03:56] <TransX2> I have an old Athlon XP Palemino based PC with an IDE HDD and some mobo I can't identify. I'm trying to install Lubuntu, I go through the setup and it starts copying files and then the install window goes away and it just sits at the desktop and the mouse indefinitely spins.
[03:56] <TransX2> So I end up restarting it and it gets stuck at "Searching for  boot recors from IDE 0...OK"
[03:56] <TransX2> and never boots into Lubuntu
[03:57] <TransX2> I've tryed resetting the BIOS and reinstalling multiple times
[03:59] <TransX2> Any suggestions?
[04:47] <bioterror> TransX2, try using the Alternate CD?
[10:49] <leszek> hi
[15:58] <danno_> can anyone tell me why programs that are running would suddenly stop appearing in the taskbar?
[16:00] <holstein> danno_: maybe you are on a diffrent workspace? the panel crashed? the applet showing running applicatios crashed?
[16:00] <holstein> what programs? how suddenly?
[16:01] <danno_> they were showing in the taskbar until a few hours ago. i can still alt-tab between the running tasks but they dont show in the taskbar any more
[16:01] <holstein> danno_: and you are on the same workspace?
[16:02] <danno_> as far as i know
[16:02] <holstein> i believe the default behavior of the panel applet is to show whats running on the current workspace
[16:02] <holstein> danno_: you can hit control and alt and the left/right arrow keys and see where you are
[16:02] <holstein> one thing i do is have the applet show applications from all workspaces
[16:03] <danno_> yeah im definitley on the right workspace
[16:03] <holstein> danno_: what applications?
[16:03] <danno_> any. it doesnt matter what i run, it will not show in the taskbar
[16:04] <holstein> danno_: maybe you have just removed the applet that shows them
[16:04] <holstein> danno_: them *never* showing is quite diffent than them disappearing.. which do you think is the case?
[16:04] <danno_> its possible as im by no means a power user. how would i replace it if i have
[16:05] <holstein> danno_: you can right click on the panel and add things back.. you can login as guest and see what is what.. or you can always boot a live cd and play around adding and removing things without worrying about breaking functionality
[16:12] <danno_> i dont know what to add in to correct this though. its quite likely my own fault but i havent a clue how i did it
[16:13] <holstein> danno_: sure.. i typically just add a panel and play around adding everything and learning what is what.. or i login as either the guest user or a new user i create for learning purposes
[16:13] <holstein> or, i fire up the live CD and play around removing and adding things to the panel
[16:13] <holstein> by one of these methods i learn what it is that i want to have and the functionality i want
[16:14] <danno_> i realise this might be a hacks way of doing it but would simply deleting my user account and creating a new one correct this?
[16:15] <holstein> danno_: you can just remove things from your /home directory relating to the configuration of the panel
[16:15] <holstein> danno_: i wouldnt remove the user account you are using
[16:15] <holstein> danno_: i would literally just make a panel.. add things and learn what they do
[16:16] <holstein> danno_: i would tell you if i had lxpanel runing in front of me, but i dont
[16:16] <holstein> danno_: i assure you it'll be something like "application list" or "switcher" something somewhat obvious
[16:17] <holstein> i would like to go on record as saying again... i wouldnd remove the user account.. just config files in the /home directory that i would have backed up somewhere
[16:17] <holstein> woudnt*. like, i wouldnt not remove the user account
[16:59] <fredmattera> Afternoon
[17:00] <fredmattera> I am having a problem with my mouse curser freezing after my system is running for a short time.
[17:02] <holstein> fredmattera: i would just try some different kernels.. even with live CD's
[17:03] <fredmattera> I have to admit this is the first time this has happened.
[17:03] <fredmattera> I used the live CD
[17:04] <fredmattera> plus i did the install prior and had the same problem
[17:05] <holstein> fredmattera: it'll just be a matter of troubleshooting.. i would try to get to tty and see if the machine is locked up or just the mouse
[17:05] <holstein> i would try some USB hardware mouse
[17:05] <holstein> i would try different kernels
[17:05] <fredmattera> ran it from a usb key and a portable drive and had the same problem on both
[17:05] <holstein> fredmattera: sure, and thats the same kernel that you installed, which makes sense, but you dont konw what is locked, up correct?
[17:05] <holstein> fredmattera: can you get to TTY?
[17:05] <fredmattera> tried the usb mouse and built in mouse pad
[17:06] <holstein> fredmattera: and?.. are both locked up?
[17:06] <fredmattera> yes bothtty
[17:06] <fredmattera> both
[17:06] <holstein> if the system is locked up, then its not likely the mouse then.. it could be *anything*
[17:06] <holstein> fredmattera: i would try to get to TTY
[17:06] <fredmattera> tty?
[17:06] <holstein> !tty
[17:07] <holstein> if you can get to a TTY, then the machine is not locked up
[17:07] <fredmattera> oh i see
[17:07] <holstein> if you cant, then its likely the machine is locked up, in which case, you can stop saying "the cursor is locked up"
[17:07] <holstein> you can say "the machine is locked up" and you dont know what it is
[17:07] <fredmattera> true
[17:08] <holstein> the latter scanario can have *nothing* to do with the mouse in any way
[17:08] <fredmattera> i noticed my torrent download froze also
[17:08] <holstein> fredmattera: i would just do *nothing*
[17:08] <holstein> let the machine run overnight
[17:08] <holstein> maybe run top in a terminal
[17:08] <holstein> then, if its when you are running that torrent application, that could be it
[17:08] <holstein> when/if it locks, try TTY
[17:08] <fredmattera> well its a toshiba netbook NB205
[17:09] <fredmattera> k
[17:09] <fredmattera> did it whn i ran the torrent application and at another time when i was using the update manager
[17:10] <holstein> fredmattera: still, not enough information to go on for me.. unless you tried TTY
[17:10] <wxl> does it lock up or does the mouse not respond?
[17:10] <holstein> sometimes if im expecting issues, i'll run ssh on the machine, so i can log in
[17:11] <holstein> if you can ssh in, then its likely just the mouse not responding... otherwise, its something more serious
[17:11] <fredmattera> thanks for the info on the tty sounds promising also. will also try the ssh if i dont resolve it.
[17:11] <holstein> you can poke around in a system log or two as well, but i would just wait til it happens again
[17:11] <wxl> ↑ i ask because i occassionally get a malfunctioning trackpad upon high cpu usage on my eepc netbook and switching from tty and back fixes it
[17:12] <holstein> if its something that is ocking up the machine, and im worried about breaking the hard drive, i might trouble shoot using a live CD
[17:12] <holstein> locking*
[17:12] <holstein> can be more trouble than its worth getting to the hard drive in those netbooks though
[17:12] <fredmattera> haha
[17:13] <holstein> i like to unplug hard drives though when i know im going to be forcing the power off
[17:13] <fredmattera> I have run lubuntu, ubuntu arch linux and a ton of others
[17:13] <holstein> lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[17:13] <fredmattera> yes i know
[17:14] <fredmattera> i run it because i dont like the full version of ubuntu. darn window or menu takes up the screen and cant play full screen games
[17:17] <fredmattera> that menu that comes up usually on the left side of the screen
[17:19] <fredmattera> thanks for eveyones input
[19:51] <no_gravity> Hello! Under Ubuntu I was able to navigate the main menu with keys. For example I opened the internet submenu. Is it possible to make this work under lubuntu?
[19:53] <bioterror> what do you mean
[19:53] <bioterror> you mean this "unity" menu
[19:53] <bioterror> +
[19:53] <bioterror> ?
[19:53] <no_gravity> bioterror: no, i never used unity. i hate it.
[19:53] <no_gravity> bioterror: i mean ubuntu 10.
[19:54] <bioterror> so you mean this "start" kind of menu
[19:54] <bioterror> applications
[19:54] <no_gravity> bioterror: yes, i think so. it opens up when i hit ALT+F1
[19:54] <no_gravity> /set show_nickmode_empty off
[19:54] <bioterror> that's a good command
[19:55] <bioterror> was it alt+esc or what in lubuntu
[19:55] <bioterror> or was it ctrl+f1 :-)
[19:55] <no_gravity> bioterror: what?
[19:55] <no_gravity> bioterror: in lubuntu its also ALT+F1
[19:56] <bioterror> so what you are after then?
[19:57] <no_gravity> bioterror: after i opened the menu, i want to navigate it with keys. for example "ic" would open chrome because "i" brings you to the "internet" submenu and "c" starts chrome. thats how it worked in ubuntu 10.
[19:57] <bioterror> now you have to use arrow keys
[19:58] <no_gravity> bioterror: which is so much slower
[19:58] <bioterror> that's why I use alt+f2 and type what ever I need
[19:59] <no_gravity> bioterror: thats also much slower
[19:59] <no_gravity> bioterror: and you have to remember everything
[19:59] <bioterror> 1st world problems
[20:00] <no_gravity> bioterror: so the ubuntu 10 menu was part of gnome and i cannot get it under lubuntu?
[20:00] <bioterror> no you do not get it under lubuntu
[20:00] <bioterror> I will guide you to use Mate desktop then
[20:00] <bioterror> it's a fork of gnome 2
[20:01] <no_gravity> bioterror: never heard of it.
[20:01] <bioterror> it might give you back those precious half seconds you're after
[20:01] <bioterror> http://mate-desktop.org/
[20:02] <no_gravity> bioterror: thanks. might try it after i finished evaluating lubuntu.
[20:03] <no_gravity> bioterror: another thing that makes me crazy is that in the task-bar i cannot place the mouse on the bottom of the screen and click on an application. i have to move the mouse up again a little bit.
[20:04] <no_gravity> is there a way to fix that?
[20:05] <bioterror> well, I'm a tint2 user
[20:05] <no_gravity> whats that?
[20:05] <bioterror> taskbar
[20:06] <no_gravity> bioterror: how is it better then the default one?
[20:06] <bioterror> it let's me change window order
[20:07] <no_gravity> bioterror: aarrrggghhh... now that you say it, i see that its not possible in lubuntu.
[20:07] <no_gravity> cannot live without it.
[20:07] <no_gravity> ubuntu 10 really was the best os ever. its so sad that its gone.
[20:09] <bioterror> I would really suggest to look OS that supports Mate
[20:09] <bioterror> SalixOS is one of my favourites
[20:09] <bioterror> Mint is a huge Mate supporter
[20:10]  * no_gravity goes to download mint
[20:10] <no_gravity> but i have to say that lubuntu really feels snappy. im a bit sad to trash it.
[20:12] <no_gravity> bioterror: you use tint2 under lubuntu?
[20:12] <bioterror> sometimes
[20:13] <no_gravity> so i would do "apt-get remove lxpanel;apt-get install tint2"?
[20:13] <bioterror> well, tint2 requires some configurations
[20:14] <bioterror> https://launchpad.net/~killeroid/+archive/ppa
[20:14] <no_gravity> oh
[20:15] <bioterror> svn has launcher
[20:15] <bioterror> it's nice
[20:15] <bioterror> but that's what I like to use
[20:15] <bioterror> there's own limitations and so on
[20:16] <bioterror> but if lubuntu feels snappy and some how usable, I would give it a longer shot and ponder if that's for you
[20:16] <bioterror> you might loose some functions, but it will give something back instead then
[20:18] <no_gravity> yeah, i will try it for a couple of days