[02:13] <MadEchidna> So I'm having a hack and a half of a time trying to get the AMD drivers to work
[02:13] <MadEchidna> os[Linux 3.5.0-15-generic x86_64] distro[Ubuntu "quantal" 12.10] cpu[8 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU       Q 740  @ 1.73GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 933MHz] mem[Physical: 5.8GB, 79.7% free] disk[Total: 189.4GB, 91.3% free] video[Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Broadway XT [Mobility Radeon HD 5800 Series]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel1: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic]
[02:38] <MadEchidna> Anybody? :(
[04:50]  * gnomefreak gopinging to miss google
[04:50] <gnomefreak> igigle even
[04:50] <gnomefreak> well damn
[08:12] <ebischoff> Hi to all. This morning, update-initramfs hangs
[08:18] <ebischoff> a strace shows it's stuck in a loop: http://pastebin.com/pwMYs79i
[08:19] <ActionParsnip> ebischoff: are there any bugs reported?
[08:19] <ebischoff> not yet
[08:20] <ebischoff> and a search showed I seem to be the first one to report
[08:20] <ActionParsnip> ebischoff: someone has to be first. The trolls love making sure everyone knows that
[08:20] <ebischoff> apparently, it keeps reading the string coming" from "/sys/module/jfs/initstate"
[08:20] <ebischoff> :-)
[08:21] <ebischoff> this appeared with today's apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[08:22] <ActionParsnip> ebischoff: could try the package fix command list, may help :)
[08:22] <ebischoff> er, what's that?
[08:25] <ActionParsnip> ebischoff: step 5 here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure
[08:27] <ebischoff> these commands are to get a fresh packages list ; this is not my problem
[08:28] <ActionParsnip> ebischoff: soes the /sys/module/jfs/initstate file exist?
[08:30] <ebischoff> yes and it contains "coming"
[08:30] <ActionParsnip> ahahhahhhahaa
[08:31] <ebischoff> it looks like it waits forever a "coming" JFS filesystem ?
[08:31] <ebischoff> (which I don't have)
[08:32] <ActionParsnip> ebischoff: could try moving the file, just to tes
[08:32] <ActionParsnip> test
[08:32] <ebischoff> sure
[08:32] <ActionParsnip> can always move it back ;)
[08:32] <ebischoff> (although moving a "file" in /sys is rather strange)
[08:33] <ebischoff> root@ns:/sys/module/jfs# mv initstate initstate.old
[08:33] <ebischoff> mv: cannot move `initstate' to `initstate.old': No such file or directory
[08:33] <ebischoff> yes, /sys is a virtual filesystem, you can't move files there
[08:33] <ebischoff> was to be expected
[08:34] <ActionParsnip> its still a filesystem, virtual or otherwise :)
[08:34] <ebischoff> aha, modprobe -r jfs hangs too
[08:35] <ebischoff> with exactly the same loop !!!
[08:35] <ebischoff> it is probably that initramfs was trying to remove this module
[08:36] <ebischoff> well, a virtual filesystem is basically a fake one, so it's not surprising that you can't do everything as you would be able to do with a normal filesystem
[08:42] <ebischoff> doing a bug report with apport
[08:43] <ebischoff> not even sure in which package the problem is
[08:43] <ebischoff> doing it against linux-image-3.5.0-15-generic but might be wrong
[08:44] <ActionParsnip> ebischoff: it'll be moved if necessary
[08:44] <ebischoff> # dpkg -S /lib/modules/3.5.0-15-generic/kernel/fs/jfs/jfs.ko
[08:44] <ebischoff> linux-image-extra-3.5.0-15-generic: /lib/modules/3.5.0-15-generic/kernel/fs/jfs/jfs.ko
[08:44] <ebischoff> will do it against  linux-image-extra-3.5.0-15-generic
[08:45] <ebischoff> cannot be too wrong :-)
[08:45] <ActionParsnip> sounds good to me
[08:49] <ebischoff> strange that no one reported this problem yet
[08:49] <ebischoff> am i the only one to beta test ? :-)
[08:49] <ActionParsnip> ebischoff: not updated my OS since about 11pm GMT
[08:49] <ebischoff> don't do it :-) lol
[08:50] <ebischoff> seriously, would be interesting to see if you fall in this bug too
[08:50] <ebischoff> (save your initrd first)
[08:50] <ebischoff> (even save your whold /boot, to be on the safe side)
[08:51] <seduce1> hello. I cannot do Partial Upgrade. It gives me error
[08:51] <ebischoff> what error ?
[08:51] <seduce1> one moment
[08:51] <seduce1> will do it again to tell you exacrtly
[08:52] <seduce1> I thas happened before too but it got fixed while this time it stays like that for more than 2 days
[08:52] <ActionParsnip> seduce1: if you run:  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:52] <seduce1> This is the error:
[08:52] <seduce1> Could not calculate the upgrade
[08:52] <seduce1> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[08:52] <seduce1> E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[08:52] <seduce1>  This can be caused by:
[08:52] <seduce1>  * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[08:52] <seduce1>  * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[08:53] <seduce1>  * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[08:53] <seduce1> This is most likely a transient problem, please try again later.
[08:53] <ActionParsnip> seduce1: try disabling PPAs
[08:54] <seduce1> how
[08:54] <ebischoff> same as ActionParsnip, would be interesting to see apt-get update followed by apt-get upgrade
[08:54] <seduce1> I did that
[08:54] <seduce1> here are the links of the output: for the UPDATEL: http://pastie.org/4796322
[08:54] <seduce1> for the UPGRADE: http://pastie.org/4796325
[08:56] <seduce1> I did the upper command and it is upgrading something. the dist-upgrade one
[08:56] <ebischoff> you have too held back packages, indeed
[08:56] <ActionParsnip> seduce1: use software centre
[08:56] <ebischoff> this is not really a problem, given that quantal is still unfinished, I would say
[08:57] <seduce1> I opened the Software center
[08:57] <seduce1> so what then
[08:57] <ebischoff> if you don't need cheese nor cheese-common, just remove them :-)
[08:57] <seduce1> oh it does not give me Partial Upgarde option anymore after the command upwards
[08:58] <seduce1> I guess it is fixed
[08:58] <seduce1> thanks guys
[08:58] <ebischoff> yes such mistakes are basically transient
[08:58] <seduce1> I will save that command for future use
[08:59] <ebischoff> I prefer upgrading from the command line as you get more debugging output
[09:00] <ebischoff> apt-get dist-upgrade takes more risks than simple upgrade, that's why it upgraded the two packages that were held back
[09:01] <seduce1> ok
[09:02] <ebischoff> I supposed it installed and removed a few things ; that's the reason they were held back
[09:02] <ebischoff> output of dist-upgrade, just per curiosity ?
[09:03] <seduce1> ok
[09:03] <seduce1> here: http://pastie.org/4796377
[09:03] <ebischoff> ActionParsnip: apport-bug takes AGES. No wonder I prefer dropping by here and chatting rather than reporting the bug
[09:05] <seduce1> did you see it ebischoff
[09:06] <ActionParsnip> ebischoff: it can take a while sometimes, especially with kernel issues
[09:07] <ebischoff> seduce1: indeed, it had to install a few more things dans remove more things. It removed libcheese-gtk21 libcheese3 and installed a lot of gstreamer stuff. That's the explanation what it was held back
[09:07] <ebischoff> thanks for the pastebin
[09:08] <ebischoff> ActionParsnip: apport collects different information based on which package you specified?
[09:08] <ActionParsnip> ebischoff: yes as different packages and things will affect differnet packages
[09:09] <ebischoff> ok
[09:35] <ebischoff> my machine froze before I was able to report the bug with apport
[09:35] <ebischoff> anyway, after the reboot, the jfs module can be removed, and the initramfs can be rebuilt too
[09:36] <ebischoff> whatever - there seems to be a serious problem on the side of the jfs kernel module
[09:38] <ebischoff> $ cat /sys/module/jfs/initstate
[09:38] <ebischoff> live
[09:38] <ebischoff> (after removing the jfs kernel module)
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> ebischoff: it was 'coming' before
[09:41] <ebischoff> yes
[09:41] <ebischoff> looks like it was "coming" forever
[09:42] <ebischoff> that was probably the cause of the problem
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> ebischoff: is it ok now?
[09:42] <ebischoff> everything is fixed now
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> sweeeeeeet
[09:43] <ebischoff> reboot often fixes a lot of things :-)
[09:43] <ebischoff> however, that should not have happened
[09:46] <ebischoff> I also still run into this one : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1033233
[09:47] <ebischoff> somehow they broke the realtek kernel driver in 3.5.0 kernel. Works excellent when I get back to 3.2.0.
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> ebischoff: 3.2 is a precise kernel, so is stable
[10:35] <ebischoff> and 3.5.0 is a quantal kernel, therefore in many states simultaneouslt? ;-)
[13:33] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:44] <Captain_Proton> need some help! I have lost the message-indicator and I do not know how it get it back
[16:14] <whitman> Is the login screen meant to appear on only one monitor now?
[16:26] <BluesKaj> , stuff to do for a while , BBL
[16:35] <baizon> hi, any advices. I'm using ubuntu 12.10 and my indicator-messages entry is gone. Second problem: my window buttons are on the right side. How move them back to the left side. What's the best way to fix that?
[16:46] <jbicha> baizon: you probably need to make sure ubuntu-desktop is still installed
[16:46] <baizon> hmm your right it isnt
[16:47] <baizon> thanks will do it
[16:59] <baizon> working perfectly
[16:59] <baizon> thank you
[18:08] <AlanBell> anyone noticed alt+prtscr not doing a window screenshot in quantal?
[18:08] <AlanBell> dunno if it is my system or keybindings messed up
[18:11] <trism> AlanBell: working here, do you have System Settings/Keyboard/Shortcuts/Take a screenshot of a window enabled?
[18:17] <AlanBell> trism: yes, that is right
[18:18] <AlanBell> ooh, it is duplicated
[18:18] <jbicha> AlanBell: bug 1050416
[18:19] <AlanBell> jbicha: yeah, that looks about right
[18:19] <trism> hmm wonder why it works here
[18:19] <AlanBell> well I can see my shortcuts window is messed up
[18:20] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/shortcuts.png
[18:21] <AlanBell> I would have done a screenshot of just that window however . . .
[18:21] <AlanBell> I would imagine that those duplicate entries have something to do with the problem
[18:22] <trism> oh weird didn't notice that before but I have duplicates too
[18:29] <trism> ahh I see, /usr/share/gnome-control-center/keybindings/50-compiz-screenshot.xml, those are the duplicates
[18:37] <trism> AlanBell: do you have compiz gnome support enabled in ccsm? I notice without it PrintScreen works but alt+PrintScreen doesn't, with it both work (though compiz helpfully crashes when you enable/disable it)
[18:48] <AlanBell> trism: yes, that fixed it
[18:48] <AlanBell> I didn't have that but I turned it on
[18:49] <AlanBell> compiz didn't crash but when the plugin stack reloads (which it does every time you turn on or off a plugin) the screen does look a bit worrying for a second
[18:50] <AlanBell> what used to happen is that the unity plugin failed to cleanly unload and reload, which got ccsm a bit of a bad reputation
[18:56] <trism> I suppose you're right it didn't crash every time, though the new .crash file in my /var/crash is telling me it crashed at least once while I was toggling the option
[19:10] <allohak> I am running ubuntu server, and trying to get pulseaudio working. At the moment, pacmd list-cards is reporting 0 cards, and I suspect this has something to do with the fact aplay is only playing sound when I run it as sudo. I have already tried adding my user to the "audio" group.
[19:21] <FernandoMiguel> damn
[19:21] <FernandoMiguel> pidgin is crashing again
[19:21] <FernandoMiguel> must be the new Activity plugin from Unity
[21:38] <Daekdroom> Does anyone know whether fglrx currently works in Quantal?
[21:38] <AaronCampbell> Removing Pulse audio fixed the Skype audio completely.  However, it also removed by panel icon for adjusting volume.  Is there an alternative mixer that will give me my icon back?
[21:38] <Daekdroom> AaronCampbell, as far as I know the sound indicator is coded to work only with pulseaudio.
[21:43] <AaronCampbell> Daekdroom: Bummer, because Skype was completely useless with pulseaudio (the audio was SO distorted and scratchy I couldn't tell what was going on)
[21:43] <AaronCampbell> It's weird that there's no alternative though
[21:43] <jbicha> yeah, indicator-sound depends on pulseaudio
[21:44] <Daekdroom> I wish there was an alternative as well.
[21:44] <FernandoMiguel> AaronCampbell: skype working fine, daily on my +1
[21:44] <FernandoMiguel> Daekdroom: G+ hangouts?
[21:44] <Daekdroom> Not that Pulseaudio is not working ok for me, but I wish I could test and make my choice.
[21:45] <Daekdroom> Oh, that too.
[21:45] <Daekdroom> It screws up my microphone volume every G+ hangout, but I don't do those very often.
[21:45] <Daekdroom> Skype, on the other hand, works like a charm.
[21:46] <jbicha> maybe you can disable pulseaudio without uninstalling it
[21:46] <Daekdroom> That would still make the sound indicator useless for controlling sound volume, wouldn't it?
[21:46] <jbicha> I don't know how though, as I've never had a reason to try uninstalling it
[21:47] <Daekdroom> I do recall in the past there was a OSSv4 PPA with a modified sound indicator, but I doubt that is updated anymore.
[22:01] <leo-unglaub> hey, i just wanted to try 12.10 but i can't find any alternate images
[22:01] <leo-unglaub> where are they?
[22:03] <Daekdroom> leo-unglaub, gone for good
[22:04] <leo-unglaub> äh? what?
[22:04] <Daekdroom> There will be only LiveCD images for 12.10
[22:04] <Daekdroom> And the server version.
[22:04] <leo-unglaub> ????????????? is this a joke?
[22:04] <Daekdroom> NOPE.
[22:05] <Daekdroom> oops. Damn Caps.
[22:05] <leo-unglaub> oh my god...i am really used to strange stuff from the ubuntu guys...but that...
[22:05] <Daekdroom> I said, "nope".
[22:05] <leo-unglaub> how do they think i can install i now?
[22:05] <Daekdroom> Well, there are only a few cases that LiveCD installer can't handle that alternate could.
[22:05] <leo-unglaub> and add encrypted containers
[22:05] <leo-unglaub> lvm
[22:05] <leo-unglaub> rescue mode, ...
[22:05] <leo-unglaub> all this is gone?
[22:07] <leo-unglaub> Daekdroom: well, the live disk is not running on my computer. that was always so and propobly will always be that way
[22:07] <leo-unglaub> so that means there is no way to install ubuntu now..
[22:07] <leo-unglaub> no crypted discs, no lvm, no automated installation
[22:07] <leo-unglaub> to rescue mode?
[22:07] <leo-unglaub> great...
[22:07] <leo-unglaub> ubutun keeps getting better evers day...
[22:07] <leo-unglaub> :(
[22:08] <Daekdroom> " * The consolidated client images now support the logical volume   manager (LVM) as well as full disk encryption." https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-September/000161.html
[22:08] <tsimpson> see the thread -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-August/035675.html
[22:09] <jbicha> you can preseed the live CD
[22:09] <jbicha> ...to automate installation
[22:09] <leo-unglaub> well, thats great if the gui now can do that..but if the gui is not running here thats bad...
[22:10] <leo-unglaub> what kind of reasion is there to skip the alternate images???
[22:10] <Daekdroom> Also, here's something I found: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[22:10] <Daekdroom> But they're two weeks old.
[22:11] <trism> also http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[22:11] <genii-around> I ♥ netboot
[22:11] <Daekdroom> leo-unglaub, less things to test and worry about.
[22:12] <leo-unglaub> Daekdroom: i found this here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:12] <Daekdroom> (although I'm slightly suspicious that it should be the opposite way: as the community grows, there are more people to test more possibilities)
[22:12] <Daekdroom> leo-unglaub, but those are the live images.
[22:12] <Daekdroom> Didn't you just say those don't work for you?
[22:12] <leo-unglaub> Daekdroom: thats the reasion i am angry currently, yes
[22:13] <leo-unglaub> Daekdroom: live images don't work here at all
[22:13] <Daekdroom> Yeah, well.. The alternate images I found are two weeks old.
[22:13] <leo-unglaub> never worked fine here
[22:13] <Daekdroom> And probably there won't be newer, not officially, atleast.
[22:13] <leo-unglaub> Daekdroom: yes, i am trying the two week old images, thanks
[22:14] <leo-unglaub> and one word for the testing of the alternate iso. that can't be the reasion. the alternate installer is nearly 100% directly from debian
[22:14] <leo-unglaub> so there is not "that much" testing needed that you could say it's to much work
[22:15] <Daekdroom> The ISOs need testing.
[22:15] <Daekdroom> Everything is there at the link tsimpson gave ^
[22:16] <leo-unglaub> yes, sure they need testing. but the alternate installer testing doesn't take soooo much time...
[22:16] <leo-unglaub> i am goind to put this on the mailinglist and give them a peace of my mind..
[22:16] <tsimpson> yeah, because that'll be helpful
[22:18] <leo-unglaub> tsimpson: did you mean that sarcastic or do you also disagree with the dead of the alternative image?
[22:19] <tsimpson> leo-unglaub: sarcastically, simply sending a heated mail saying you disagree with them etc is unhelpful. if you want to get somewhere, you should simply express your concerns, and ask for any advice
[22:20] <tsimpson> and by "express your concerns" I mean by listing the examples where you believe you really do need the alternate CD. maybe someone has ways around the issues
[22:21] <leo-unglaub> tsimpson: well, i am using debian for now nearly 9 years. i know how community based development works and sadly ubuntu is currently trying sooo hard to piss of users with no reasion. the amazon thing and now this? i mean really? pissing of developers is propoply not the best way to do thinks.
[22:22] <leo-unglaub> every few month the same..just ant to try ubuntu to see if my programms run there to and add some unity/ubuntu spefizic functions and every time trouble..
[22:22] <tsimpson> if you really think the intent is to annoy people, then you haven't actually read any real information on it
[22:22] <tsimpson> and the whole amazon thing is mostly FUD
[22:23] <leo-unglaub> well, the amazon thing shows where the problem is. it's an indicator for the same thing that is wrong with the ubuntu one sync..
[22:23] <Daekdroom> What is wrong with the Ubuntu One sync?
[22:23] <leo-unglaub> transmitting user input unencrypted over the internet..
[22:24] <tsimpson> data will be encrypted, and anonymous
[22:24] <leo-unglaub> Daekdroom: whats wrong there? i have discussed it so often with the developers there i am tired of tailing about that..
[22:24] <leo-unglaub> the main problem
[22:24] <leo-unglaub> no client side encryption
[22:24] <tsimpson> it will be over https, that's encrypted
[22:24] <leo-unglaub> tsimpson: i am not talking about that, Daekdroom asked about the u1 problem
[22:25] <tsimpson> I don't really use ubuntu one, so I don't care :)
[22:26] <jbicha> client-side encryption isn't the right answer for every problem
[22:26] <leo-unglaub> ;) you are better of without it, beleave me..they changes there api so often that every third party toold is broken every couple of month
[22:26] <jbicha> for instance, that would break being able to access your files with just a username, password, and web browser
[22:27] <leo-unglaub> jbicha: nope
[22:27] <leo-unglaub> thats just wrong
[22:27] <leo-unglaub> and i explained it a while ago to the ubuntu one developers but they simply dont cared
[22:27] <leo-unglaub> even my patch was not taken
[22:28] <jbicha> right, because they are solving a different problem than you are
[22:28] <jbicha> you are welcome to encrypt all you data before you upload it to Ubuntu One
[22:29] <Daekdroom> I still don't understand why it can't be encrypted...
[22:29] <Daekdroom> Oh. Nevermind.
[22:29] <leo-unglaub> ... i had the exact same discussion a few month ago..but anyway..lets go over it again.
[22:29] <leo-unglaub> Daekdroom: it can be encrypted
[22:29] <leo-unglaub> and even accessed in the brower to
[22:29] <jbicha> no, I'd rather not
[22:31] <leo-unglaub> ;)
[22:31] <leo-unglaub> well, thanks for answering my question about the alternate images
[22:31] <leo-unglaub> sad, but what can you do
[22:31] <leo-unglaub> thanks
[22:49] <smallfoot-> why ins't ubuntu-default-settings a canonical-supported package?
[22:50] <trism> smallfoot-: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings/12.10.2
[22:51] <smallfoot-> i dont understand
[22:52] <smallfoot-> ubuntu-settings is package i should have?
[22:52] <trism> smallfoot-: yes
[22:52] <smallfoot-> ubuntu-default-setting is deprecated?
[22:52] <trism> smallfoot-: did you read the changelog?
[22:52] <smallfoot-> ya
[22:53] <smallfoot-> ah, ubuntu-default-settings dont exist anymore, i dont find it in repo
[22:53] <smallfoot-> cuz i had it on my system, but it was renamed
[22:53] <smallfoot-> now i understand, thanks
[22:54] <smallfoot-> what is ubuntu-business.defaults?
[22:57] <smallfoot-> I have Canadian, American, UK, Australian, and South African English language dictionaries installed. Seems kinda unnescesary. How do I uninstall them, so I only have one English language?
[23:11] <AaronCampbell> FernandoMiguel: Must be Skype+Pulseaudio along with my sound (built on to Asus Sabertooth 990FX motherboard)
[23:12] <AaronCampbell> I wonder if there's something I can do to get Skype, Pulseaudio and my MB to play nice (Skype works fine without Pulseaudio, and all other audio works fine with OR without pulseaudio)
[23:23] <FernandoMiguel> AaronCampbell: you could try pulse audio from trunk
[23:23] <FernandoMiguel> and he left