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MadEchidna | So I'm having a hack and a half of a time trying to get the AMD drivers to work | 02:13 |
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MadEchidna | os[Linux 3.5.0-15-generic x86_64] distro[Ubuntu "quantal" 12.10] cpu[8 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU Q 740 @ 1.73GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 933MHz] mem[Physical: 5.8GB, 79.7% free] disk[Total: 189.4GB, 91.3% free] video[Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Broadway XT [Mobility Radeon HD 5800 Series]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel1: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic] | 02:13 |
MadEchidna | Anybody? :( | 02:38 |
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* gnomefreak gopinging to miss google | 04:50 | |
gnomefreak | igigle even | 04:50 |
gnomefreak | well damn | 04:50 |
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ebischoff | Hi to all. This morning, update-initramfs hangs | 08:12 |
ebischoff | a strace shows it's stuck in a loop: http://pastebin.com/pwMYs79i | 08:18 |
ActionParsnip | ebischoff: are there any bugs reported? | 08:19 |
ebischoff | not yet | 08:19 |
ebischoff | and a search showed I seem to be the first one to report | 08:20 |
ActionParsnip | ebischoff: someone has to be first. The trolls love making sure everyone knows that | 08:20 |
ebischoff | apparently, it keeps reading the string coming" from "/sys/module/jfs/initstate" | 08:20 |
ebischoff | :-) | 08:20 |
ebischoff | this appeared with today's apt-get update && apt-get upgrade | 08:21 |
ActionParsnip | ebischoff: could try the package fix command list, may help :) | 08:22 |
ebischoff | er, what's that? | 08:22 |
ActionParsnip | ebischoff: step 5 here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure | 08:25 |
ebischoff | these commands are to get a fresh packages list ; this is not my problem | 08:27 |
ActionParsnip | ebischoff: soes the /sys/module/jfs/initstate file exist? | 08:28 |
ebischoff | yes and it contains "coming" | 08:30 |
ActionParsnip | ahahhahhhahaa | 08:30 |
ebischoff | it looks like it waits forever a "coming" JFS filesystem ? | 08:31 |
ebischoff | (which I don't have) | 08:31 |
ActionParsnip | ebischoff: could try moving the file, just to tes | 08:32 |
ActionParsnip | test | 08:32 |
ebischoff | sure | 08:32 |
ActionParsnip | can always move it back ;) | 08:32 |
ebischoff | (although moving a "file" in /sys is rather strange) | 08:32 |
ebischoff | root@ns:/sys/module/jfs# mv initstate initstate.old | 08:33 |
ebischoff | mv: cannot move `initstate' to `initstate.old': No such file or directory | 08:33 |
ebischoff | yes, /sys is a virtual filesystem, you can't move files there | 08:33 |
ebischoff | was to be expected | 08:33 |
ActionParsnip | its still a filesystem, virtual or otherwise :) | 08:34 |
ebischoff | aha, modprobe -r jfs hangs too | 08:34 |
ebischoff | with exactly the same loop !!! | 08:35 |
ebischoff | it is probably that initramfs was trying to remove this module | 08:35 |
ebischoff | well, a virtual filesystem is basically a fake one, so it's not surprising that you can't do everything as you would be able to do with a normal filesystem | 08:36 |
ebischoff | doing a bug report with apport | 08:42 |
ebischoff | not even sure in which package the problem is | 08:43 |
ebischoff | doing it against linux-image-3.5.0-15-generic but might be wrong | 08:43 |
ActionParsnip | ebischoff: it'll be moved if necessary | 08:44 |
ebischoff | # dpkg -S /lib/modules/3.5.0-15-generic/kernel/fs/jfs/jfs.ko | 08:44 |
ebischoff | linux-image-extra-3.5.0-15-generic: /lib/modules/3.5.0-15-generic/kernel/fs/jfs/jfs.ko | 08:44 |
ebischoff | will do it against linux-image-extra-3.5.0-15-generic | 08:44 |
ebischoff | cannot be too wrong :-) | 08:45 |
ActionParsnip | sounds good to me | 08:45 |
ebischoff | strange that no one reported this problem yet | 08:49 |
ebischoff | am i the only one to beta test ? :-) | 08:49 |
ActionParsnip | ebischoff: not updated my OS since about 11pm GMT | 08:49 |
ebischoff | don't do it :-) lol | 08:49 |
ebischoff | seriously, would be interesting to see if you fall in this bug too | 08:50 |
ebischoff | (save your initrd first) | 08:50 |
ebischoff | (even save your whold /boot, to be on the safe side) | 08:50 |
seduce1 | hello. I cannot do Partial Upgrade. It gives me error | 08:51 |
ebischoff | what error ? | 08:51 |
seduce1 | one moment | 08:51 |
seduce1 | will do it again to tell you exacrtly | 08:51 |
seduce1 | I thas happened before too but it got fixed while this time it stays like that for more than 2 days | 08:52 |
ActionParsnip | seduce1: if you run: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 08:52 |
seduce1 | This is the error: | 08:52 |
seduce1 | Could not calculate the upgrade | 08:52 |
seduce1 | An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade: | 08:52 |
seduce1 | E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. | 08:52 |
seduce1 | This can be caused by: | 08:52 |
seduce1 | * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu | 08:52 |
seduce1 | * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu | 08:52 |
seduce1 | * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu | 08:53 |
seduce1 | This is most likely a transient problem, please try again later. | 08:53 |
ActionParsnip | seduce1: try disabling PPAs | 08:53 |
seduce1 | how | 08:54 |
ebischoff | same as ActionParsnip, would be interesting to see apt-get update followed by apt-get upgrade | 08:54 |
seduce1 | I did that | 08:54 |
seduce1 | here are the links of the output: for the UPDATEL: http://pastie.org/4796322 | 08:54 |
seduce1 | for the UPGRADE: http://pastie.org/4796325 | 08:54 |
seduce1 | I did the upper command and it is upgrading something. the dist-upgrade one | 08:56 |
ebischoff | you have too held back packages, indeed | 08:56 |
ActionParsnip | seduce1: use software centre | 08:56 |
ebischoff | this is not really a problem, given that quantal is still unfinished, I would say | 08:56 |
seduce1 | I opened the Software center | 08:57 |
seduce1 | so what then | 08:57 |
ebischoff | if you don't need cheese nor cheese-common, just remove them :-) | 08:57 |
seduce1 | oh it does not give me Partial Upgarde option anymore after the command upwards | 08:57 |
seduce1 | I guess it is fixed | 08:58 |
seduce1 | thanks guys | 08:58 |
ebischoff | yes such mistakes are basically transient | 08:58 |
seduce1 | I will save that command for future use | 08:58 |
ebischoff | I prefer upgrading from the command line as you get more debugging output | 08:59 |
ebischoff | apt-get dist-upgrade takes more risks than simple upgrade, that's why it upgraded the two packages that were held back | 09:00 |
seduce1 | ok | 09:01 |
ebischoff | I supposed it installed and removed a few things ; that's the reason they were held back | 09:02 |
ebischoff | output of dist-upgrade, just per curiosity ? | 09:02 |
seduce1 | ok | 09:03 |
seduce1 | here: http://pastie.org/4796377 | 09:03 |
ebischoff | ActionParsnip: apport-bug takes AGES. No wonder I prefer dropping by here and chatting rather than reporting the bug | 09:03 |
seduce1 | did you see it ebischoff | 09:05 |
ActionParsnip | ebischoff: it can take a while sometimes, especially with kernel issues | 09:06 |
ebischoff | seduce1: indeed, it had to install a few more things dans remove more things. It removed libcheese-gtk21 libcheese3 and installed a lot of gstreamer stuff. That's the explanation what it was held back | 09:07 |
ebischoff | thanks for the pastebin | 09:07 |
ebischoff | ActionParsnip: apport collects different information based on which package you specified? | 09:08 |
ActionParsnip | ebischoff: yes as different packages and things will affect differnet packages | 09:08 |
ebischoff | ok | 09:09 |
ebischoff | my machine froze before I was able to report the bug with apport | 09:35 |
ebischoff | anyway, after the reboot, the jfs module can be removed, and the initramfs can be rebuilt too | 09:35 |
ebischoff | whatever - there seems to be a serious problem on the side of the jfs kernel module | 09:36 |
ebischoff | $ cat /sys/module/jfs/initstate | 09:38 |
ebischoff | live | 09:38 |
ebischoff | (after removing the jfs kernel module) | 09:38 |
ActionParsnip | ebischoff: it was 'coming' before | 09:40 |
ebischoff | yes | 09:41 |
ebischoff | looks like it was "coming" forever | 09:41 |
ebischoff | that was probably the cause of the problem | 09:42 |
ActionParsnip | ebischoff: is it ok now? | 09:42 |
ebischoff | everything is fixed now | 09:42 |
ActionParsnip | sweeeeeeet | 09:42 |
ebischoff | reboot often fixes a lot of things :-) | 09:43 |
ebischoff | however, that should not have happened | 09:43 |
ebischoff | I also still run into this one : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1033233 | 09:46 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1033233 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[iMac9,1, Realtek ALC889A, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all with kernel 3.5.0" [Medium,Confirmed] | 09:46 |
ebischoff | somehow they broke the realtek kernel driver in 3.5.0 kernel. Works excellent when I get back to 3.2.0. | 09:47 |
ActionParsnip | ebischoff: 3.2 is a precise kernel, so is stable | 10:33 |
ebischoff | and 3.5.0 is a quantal kernel, therefore in many states simultaneouslt? ;-) | 10:35 |
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BluesKaj | Hi all | 13:33 |
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Captain_Proton | need some help! I have lost the message-indicator and I do not know how it get it back | 15:44 |
whitman | Is the login screen meant to appear on only one monitor now? | 16:14 |
BluesKaj | , stuff to do for a while , BBL | 16:26 |
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baizon | hi, any advices. I'm using ubuntu 12.10 and my indicator-messages entry is gone. Second problem: my window buttons are on the right side. How move them back to the left side. What's the best way to fix that? | 16:35 |
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jbicha | baizon: you probably need to make sure ubuntu-desktop is still installed | 16:46 |
baizon | hmm your right it isnt | 16:46 |
baizon | thanks will do it | 16:47 |
baizon | working perfectly | 16:59 |
baizon | thank you | 16:59 |
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AlanBell | anyone noticed alt+prtscr not doing a window screenshot in quantal? | 18:08 |
AlanBell | dunno if it is my system or keybindings messed up | 18:08 |
trism | AlanBell: working here, do you have System Settings/Keyboard/Shortcuts/Take a screenshot of a window enabled? | 18:11 |
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AlanBell | trism: yes, that is right | 18:17 |
AlanBell | ooh, it is duplicated | 18:18 |
jbicha | AlanBell: bug 1050416 | 18:18 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1050416 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Alt+PrintScr does no longer work to produce a screen capture of the active window" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1050416 | 18:18 |
AlanBell | jbicha: yeah, that looks about right | 18:19 |
trism | hmm wonder why it works here | 18:19 |
AlanBell | well I can see my shortcuts window is messed up | 18:19 |
AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/shortcuts.png | 18:20 |
AlanBell | I would have done a screenshot of just that window however . . . | 18:21 |
AlanBell | I would imagine that those duplicate entries have something to do with the problem | 18:21 |
trism | oh weird didn't notice that before but I have duplicates too | 18:22 |
trism | ahh I see, /usr/share/gnome-control-center/keybindings/50-compiz-screenshot.xml, those are the duplicates | 18:29 |
trism | AlanBell: do you have compiz gnome support enabled in ccsm? I notice without it PrintScreen works but alt+PrintScreen doesn't, with it both work (though compiz helpfully crashes when you enable/disable it) | 18:37 |
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AlanBell | trism: yes, that fixed it | 18:48 |
AlanBell | I didn't have that but I turned it on | 18:48 |
AlanBell | compiz didn't crash but when the plugin stack reloads (which it does every time you turn on or off a plugin) the screen does look a bit worrying for a second | 18:49 |
AlanBell | what used to happen is that the unity plugin failed to cleanly unload and reload, which got ccsm a bit of a bad reputation | 18:50 |
trism | I suppose you're right it didn't crash every time, though the new .crash file in my /var/crash is telling me it crashed at least once while I was toggling the option | 18:56 |
allohak | I am running ubuntu server, and trying to get pulseaudio working. At the moment, pacmd list-cards is reporting 0 cards, and I suspect this has something to do with the fact aplay is only playing sound when I run it as sudo. I have already tried adding my user to the "audio" group. | 19:10 |
FernandoMiguel | damn | 19:21 |
FernandoMiguel | pidgin is crashing again | 19:21 |
FernandoMiguel | must be the new Activity plugin from Unity | 19:21 |
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Daekdroom | Does anyone know whether fglrx currently works in Quantal? | 21:38 |
AaronCampbell | Removing Pulse audio fixed the Skype audio completely. However, it also removed by panel icon for adjusting volume. Is there an alternative mixer that will give me my icon back? | 21:38 |
Daekdroom | AaronCampbell, as far as I know the sound indicator is coded to work only with pulseaudio. | 21:38 |
AaronCampbell | Daekdroom: Bummer, because Skype was completely useless with pulseaudio (the audio was SO distorted and scratchy I couldn't tell what was going on) | 21:43 |
AaronCampbell | It's weird that there's no alternative though | 21:43 |
jbicha | yeah, indicator-sound depends on pulseaudio | 21:43 |
Daekdroom | I wish there was an alternative as well. | 21:44 |
FernandoMiguel | AaronCampbell: skype working fine, daily on my +1 | 21:44 |
FernandoMiguel | Daekdroom: G+ hangouts? | 21:44 |
Daekdroom | Not that Pulseaudio is not working ok for me, but I wish I could test and make my choice. | 21:44 |
Daekdroom | Oh, that too. | 21:45 |
Daekdroom | It screws up my microphone volume every G+ hangout, but I don't do those very often. | 21:45 |
Daekdroom | Skype, on the other hand, works like a charm. | 21:45 |
jbicha | maybe you can disable pulseaudio without uninstalling it | 21:46 |
Daekdroom | That would still make the sound indicator useless for controlling sound volume, wouldn't it? | 21:46 |
jbicha | I don't know how though, as I've never had a reason to try uninstalling it | 21:46 |
Daekdroom | I do recall in the past there was a OSSv4 PPA with a modified sound indicator, but I doubt that is updated anymore. | 21:47 |
leo-unglaub | hey, i just wanted to try 12.10 but i can't find any alternate images | 22:01 |
leo-unglaub | where are they? | 22:01 |
Daekdroom | leo-unglaub, gone for good | 22:03 |
leo-unglaub | äh? what? | 22:04 |
Daekdroom | There will be only LiveCD images for 12.10 | 22:04 |
Daekdroom | And the server version. | 22:04 |
leo-unglaub | ????????????? is this a joke? | 22:04 |
Daekdroom | NOPE. | 22:04 |
Daekdroom | oops. Damn Caps. | 22:05 |
leo-unglaub | oh my god...i am really used to strange stuff from the ubuntu guys...but that... | 22:05 |
Daekdroom | I said, "nope". | 22:05 |
leo-unglaub | how do they think i can install i now? | 22:05 |
Daekdroom | Well, there are only a few cases that LiveCD installer can't handle that alternate could. | 22:05 |
leo-unglaub | and add encrypted containers | 22:05 |
leo-unglaub | lvm | 22:05 |
leo-unglaub | rescue mode, ... | 22:05 |
leo-unglaub | all this is gone? | 22:05 |
leo-unglaub | Daekdroom: well, the live disk is not running on my computer. that was always so and propobly will always be that way | 22:07 |
leo-unglaub | so that means there is no way to install ubuntu now.. | 22:07 |
leo-unglaub | no crypted discs, no lvm, no automated installation | 22:07 |
leo-unglaub | to rescue mode? | 22:07 |
leo-unglaub | great... | 22:07 |
leo-unglaub | ubutun keeps getting better evers day... | 22:07 |
leo-unglaub | :( | 22:07 |
Daekdroom | " * The consolidated client images now support the logical volume manager (LVM) as well as full disk encryption." https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-September/000161.html | 22:08 |
tsimpson | see the thread -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-August/035675.html | 22:08 |
jbicha | you can preseed the live CD | 22:09 |
jbicha | ...to automate installation | 22:09 |
leo-unglaub | well, thats great if the gui now can do that..but if the gui is not running here thats bad... | 22:09 |
leo-unglaub | what kind of reasion is there to skip the alternate images??? | 22:10 |
Daekdroom | Also, here's something I found: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ | 22:10 |
Daekdroom | But they're two weeks old. | 22:10 |
trism | also http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/ | 22:11 |
genii-around | I ♥ netboot | 22:11 |
Daekdroom | leo-unglaub, less things to test and worry about. | 22:11 |
leo-unglaub | Daekdroom: i found this here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 22:12 |
Daekdroom | (although I'm slightly suspicious that it should be the opposite way: as the community grows, there are more people to test more possibilities) | 22:12 |
Daekdroom | leo-unglaub, but those are the live images. | 22:12 |
Daekdroom | Didn't you just say those don't work for you? | 22:12 |
leo-unglaub | Daekdroom: thats the reasion i am angry currently, yes | 22:12 |
leo-unglaub | Daekdroom: live images don't work here at all | 22:13 |
Daekdroom | Yeah, well.. The alternate images I found are two weeks old. | 22:13 |
leo-unglaub | never worked fine here | 22:13 |
Daekdroom | And probably there won't be newer, not officially, atleast. | 22:13 |
leo-unglaub | Daekdroom: yes, i am trying the two week old images, thanks | 22:13 |
leo-unglaub | and one word for the testing of the alternate iso. that can't be the reasion. the alternate installer is nearly 100% directly from debian | 22:14 |
leo-unglaub | so there is not "that much" testing needed that you could say it's to much work | 22:14 |
Daekdroom | The ISOs need testing. | 22:15 |
Daekdroom | Everything is there at the link tsimpson gave ^ | 22:15 |
leo-unglaub | yes, sure they need testing. but the alternate installer testing doesn't take soooo much time... | 22:16 |
leo-unglaub | i am goind to put this on the mailinglist and give them a peace of my mind.. | 22:16 |
tsimpson | yeah, because that'll be helpful | 22:16 |
leo-unglaub | tsimpson: did you mean that sarcastic or do you also disagree with the dead of the alternative image? | 22:18 |
tsimpson | leo-unglaub: sarcastically, simply sending a heated mail saying you disagree with them etc is unhelpful. if you want to get somewhere, you should simply express your concerns, and ask for any advice | 22:19 |
tsimpson | and by "express your concerns" I mean by listing the examples where you believe you really do need the alternate CD. maybe someone has ways around the issues | 22:20 |
leo-unglaub | tsimpson: well, i am using debian for now nearly 9 years. i know how community based development works and sadly ubuntu is currently trying sooo hard to piss of users with no reasion. the amazon thing and now this? i mean really? pissing of developers is propoply not the best way to do thinks. | 22:21 |
leo-unglaub | every few month the same..just ant to try ubuntu to see if my programms run there to and add some unity/ubuntu spefizic functions and every time trouble.. | 22:22 |
tsimpson | if you really think the intent is to annoy people, then you haven't actually read any real information on it | 22:22 |
tsimpson | and the whole amazon thing is mostly FUD | 22:22 |
leo-unglaub | well, the amazon thing shows where the problem is. it's an indicator for the same thing that is wrong with the ubuntu one sync.. | 22:23 |
Daekdroom | What is wrong with the Ubuntu One sync? | 22:23 |
leo-unglaub | transmitting user input unencrypted over the internet.. | 22:23 |
tsimpson | data will be encrypted, and anonymous | 22:24 |
leo-unglaub | Daekdroom: whats wrong there? i have discussed it so often with the developers there i am tired of tailing about that.. | 22:24 |
leo-unglaub | the main problem | 22:24 |
leo-unglaub | no client side encryption | 22:24 |
tsimpson | it will be over https, that's encrypted | 22:24 |
leo-unglaub | tsimpson: i am not talking about that, Daekdroom asked about the u1 problem | 22:24 |
tsimpson | I don't really use ubuntu one, so I don't care :) | 22:25 |
jbicha | client-side encryption isn't the right answer for every problem | 22:26 |
leo-unglaub | ;) you are better of without it, beleave me..they changes there api so often that every third party toold is broken every couple of month | 22:26 |
jbicha | for instance, that would break being able to access your files with just a username, password, and web browser | 22:26 |
leo-unglaub | jbicha: nope | 22:27 |
leo-unglaub | thats just wrong | 22:27 |
leo-unglaub | and i explained it a while ago to the ubuntu one developers but they simply dont cared | 22:27 |
leo-unglaub | even my patch was not taken | 22:27 |
jbicha | right, because they are solving a different problem than you are | 22:28 |
jbicha | you are welcome to encrypt all you data before you upload it to Ubuntu One | 22:28 |
Daekdroom | I still don't understand why it can't be encrypted... | 22:29 |
Daekdroom | Oh. Nevermind. | 22:29 |
leo-unglaub | ... i had the exact same discussion a few month ago..but anyway..lets go over it again. | 22:29 |
leo-unglaub | Daekdroom: it can be encrypted | 22:29 |
leo-unglaub | and even accessed in the brower to | 22:29 |
jbicha | no, I'd rather not | 22:29 |
leo-unglaub | ;) | 22:31 |
leo-unglaub | well, thanks for answering my question about the alternate images | 22:31 |
leo-unglaub | sad, but what can you do | 22:31 |
leo-unglaub | thanks | 22:31 |
smallfoot- | why ins't ubuntu-default-settings a canonical-supported package? | 22:49 |
trism | smallfoot-: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings/12.10.2 | 22:50 |
smallfoot- | i dont understand | 22:51 |
smallfoot- | ubuntu-settings is package i should have? | 22:52 |
trism | smallfoot-: yes | 22:52 |
smallfoot- | ubuntu-default-setting is deprecated? | 22:52 |
trism | smallfoot-: did you read the changelog? | 22:52 |
smallfoot- | ya | 22:52 |
smallfoot- | ah, ubuntu-default-settings dont exist anymore, i dont find it in repo | 22:53 |
smallfoot- | cuz i had it on my system, but it was renamed | 22:53 |
smallfoot- | now i understand, thanks | 22:53 |
smallfoot- | what is ubuntu-business.defaults? | 22:54 |
smallfoot- | I have Canadian, American, UK, Australian, and South African English language dictionaries installed. Seems kinda unnescesary. How do I uninstall them, so I only have one English language? | 22:57 |
AaronCampbell | FernandoMiguel: Must be Skype+Pulseaudio along with my sound (built on to Asus Sabertooth 990FX motherboard) | 23:11 |
AaronCampbell | I wonder if there's something I can do to get Skype, Pulseaudio and my MB to play nice (Skype works fine without Pulseaudio, and all other audio works fine with OR without pulseaudio) | 23:12 |
FernandoMiguel | AaronCampbell: you could try pulse audio from trunk | 23:23 |
FernandoMiguel | and he left | 23:23 |
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