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MadEchidnaSo I'm having a hack and a half of a time trying to get the AMD drivers to work02:13
MadEchidnaos[Linux 3.5.0-15-generic x86_64] distro[Ubuntu "quantal" 12.10] cpu[8 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU       Q 740  @ 1.73GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 933MHz] mem[Physical: 5.8GB, 79.7% free] disk[Total: 189.4GB, 91.3% free] video[Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Broadway XT [Mobility Radeon HD 5800 Series]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel1: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic]02:13
MadEchidnaAnybody? :(02:38
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* gnomefreak gopinging to miss google04:50
gnomefreakigigle even04:50
gnomefreakwell damn04:50
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ebischoffHi to all. This morning, update-initramfs hangs08:12
ebischoffa strace shows it's stuck in a loop: http://pastebin.com/pwMYs79i08:18
ActionParsnipebischoff: are there any bugs reported?08:19
ebischoffnot yet08:19
ebischoffand a search showed I seem to be the first one to report08:20
ActionParsnipebischoff: someone has to be first. The trolls love making sure everyone knows that08:20
ebischoffapparently, it keeps reading the string coming" from "/sys/module/jfs/initstate"08:20
ebischoff:-)08:20
ebischoffthis appeared with today's apt-get update && apt-get upgrade08:21
ActionParsnipebischoff: could try the package fix command list, may help :)08:22
ebischoffer, what's that?08:22
ActionParsnipebischoff: step 5 here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure08:25
ebischoffthese commands are to get a fresh packages list ; this is not my problem08:27
ActionParsnipebischoff: soes the /sys/module/jfs/initstate file exist?08:28
ebischoffyes and it contains "coming"08:30
ActionParsnipahahhahhhahaa08:30
ebischoffit looks like it waits forever a "coming" JFS filesystem ?08:31
ebischoff(which I don't have)08:31
ActionParsnipebischoff: could try moving the file, just to tes08:32
ActionParsniptest08:32
ebischoffsure08:32
ActionParsnipcan always move it back ;)08:32
ebischoff(although moving a "file" in /sys is rather strange)08:32
ebischoffroot@ns:/sys/module/jfs# mv initstate initstate.old08:33
ebischoffmv: cannot move `initstate' to `initstate.old': No such file or directory08:33
ebischoffyes, /sys is a virtual filesystem, you can't move files there08:33
ebischoffwas to be expected08:33
ActionParsnipits still a filesystem, virtual or otherwise :)08:34
ebischoffaha, modprobe -r jfs hangs too08:34
ebischoffwith exactly the same loop !!!08:35
ebischoffit is probably that initramfs was trying to remove this module08:35
ebischoffwell, a virtual filesystem is basically a fake one, so it's not surprising that you can't do everything as you would be able to do with a normal filesystem08:36
ebischoffdoing a bug report with apport08:42
ebischoffnot even sure in which package the problem is08:43
ebischoffdoing it against linux-image-3.5.0-15-generic but might be wrong08:43
ActionParsnipebischoff: it'll be moved if necessary08:44
ebischoff# dpkg -S /lib/modules/3.5.0-15-generic/kernel/fs/jfs/jfs.ko08:44
ebischofflinux-image-extra-3.5.0-15-generic: /lib/modules/3.5.0-15-generic/kernel/fs/jfs/jfs.ko08:44
ebischoffwill do it against  linux-image-extra-3.5.0-15-generic08:44
ebischoffcannot be too wrong :-)08:45
ActionParsnipsounds good to me08:45
ebischoffstrange that no one reported this problem yet08:49
ebischoffam i the only one to beta test ? :-)08:49
ActionParsnipebischoff: not updated my OS since about 11pm GMT08:49
ebischoffdon't do it :-) lol08:49
ebischoffseriously, would be interesting to see if you fall in this bug too08:50
ebischoff(save your initrd first)08:50
ebischoff(even save your whold /boot, to be on the safe side)08:50
seduce1hello. I cannot do Partial Upgrade. It gives me error08:51
ebischoffwhat error ?08:51
seduce1one moment08:51
seduce1will do it again to tell you exacrtly08:51
seduce1I thas happened before too but it got fixed while this time it stays like that for more than 2 days08:52
ActionParsnipseduce1: if you run:  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade08:52
seduce1This is the error:08:52
seduce1Could not calculate the upgrade08:52
seduce1An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:08:52
seduce1E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.08:52
seduce1 This can be caused by:08:52
seduce1 * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu08:52
seduce1 * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu08:52
seduce1 * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu08:53
seduce1This is most likely a transient problem, please try again later.08:53
ActionParsnipseduce1: try disabling PPAs08:53
seduce1how08:54
ebischoffsame as ActionParsnip, would be interesting to see apt-get update followed by apt-get upgrade08:54
seduce1I did that08:54
seduce1here are the links of the output: for the UPDATEL: http://pastie.org/479632208:54
seduce1for the UPGRADE: http://pastie.org/479632508:54
seduce1I did the upper command and it is upgrading something. the dist-upgrade one08:56
ebischoffyou have too held back packages, indeed08:56
ActionParsnipseduce1: use software centre08:56
ebischoffthis is not really a problem, given that quantal is still unfinished, I would say08:56
seduce1I opened the Software center08:57
seduce1so what then08:57
ebischoffif you don't need cheese nor cheese-common, just remove them :-)08:57
seduce1oh it does not give me Partial Upgarde option anymore after the command upwards08:57
seduce1I guess it is fixed08:58
seduce1thanks guys08:58
ebischoffyes such mistakes are basically transient08:58
seduce1I will save that command for future use08:58
ebischoffI prefer upgrading from the command line as you get more debugging output08:59
ebischoffapt-get dist-upgrade takes more risks than simple upgrade, that's why it upgraded the two packages that were held back09:00
seduce1ok09:01
ebischoffI supposed it installed and removed a few things ; that's the reason they were held back09:02
ebischoffoutput of dist-upgrade, just per curiosity ?09:02
seduce1ok09:03
seduce1here: http://pastie.org/479637709:03
ebischoffActionParsnip: apport-bug takes AGES. No wonder I prefer dropping by here and chatting rather than reporting the bug09:03
seduce1did you see it ebischoff09:05
ActionParsnipebischoff: it can take a while sometimes, especially with kernel issues09:06
ebischoffseduce1: indeed, it had to install a few more things dans remove more things. It removed libcheese-gtk21 libcheese3 and installed a lot of gstreamer stuff. That's the explanation what it was held back09:07
ebischoffthanks for the pastebin09:07
ebischoffActionParsnip: apport collects different information based on which package you specified?09:08
ActionParsnipebischoff: yes as different packages and things will affect differnet packages09:08
ebischoffok09:09
ebischoffmy machine froze before I was able to report the bug with apport09:35
ebischoffanyway, after the reboot, the jfs module can be removed, and the initramfs can be rebuilt too09:35
ebischoffwhatever - there seems to be a serious problem on the side of the jfs kernel module09:36
ebischoff$ cat /sys/module/jfs/initstate09:38
ebischofflive09:38
ebischoff(after removing the jfs kernel module)09:38
ActionParsnipebischoff: it was 'coming' before09:40
ebischoffyes09:41
ebischofflooks like it was "coming" forever09:41
ebischoffthat was probably the cause of the problem09:42
ActionParsnipebischoff: is it ok now?09:42
ebischoffeverything is fixed now09:42
ActionParsnipsweeeeeeet09:42
ebischoffreboot often fixes a lot of things :-)09:43
ebischoffhowever, that should not have happened09:43
ebischoffI also still run into this one : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/103323309:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1033233 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[iMac9,1, Realtek ALC889A, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all with kernel 3.5.0" [Medium,Confirmed]09:46
ebischoffsomehow they broke the realtek kernel driver in 3.5.0 kernel. Works excellent when I get back to 3.2.0.09:47
ActionParsnipebischoff: 3.2 is a precise kernel, so is stable10:33
ebischoffand 3.5.0 is a quantal kernel, therefore in many states simultaneouslt? ;-)10:35
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BluesKajHi all13:33
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Captain_Protonneed some help! I have lost the message-indicator and I do not know how it get it back15:44
whitmanIs the login screen meant to appear on only one monitor now?16:14
BluesKaj, stuff to do for a while , BBL16:26
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baizonhi, any advices. I'm using ubuntu 12.10 and my indicator-messages entry is gone. Second problem: my window buttons are on the right side. How move them back to the left side. What's the best way to fix that?16:35
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jbichabaizon: you probably need to make sure ubuntu-desktop is still installed16:46
baizonhmm your right it isnt16:46
baizonthanks will do it16:47
baizonworking perfectly16:59
baizonthank you16:59
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AlanBellanyone noticed alt+prtscr not doing a window screenshot in quantal?18:08
AlanBelldunno if it is my system or keybindings messed up18:08
trismAlanBell: working here, do you have System Settings/Keyboard/Shortcuts/Take a screenshot of a window enabled?18:11
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AlanBelltrism: yes, that is right18:17
AlanBellooh, it is duplicated18:18
jbichaAlanBell: bug 105041618:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1050416 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Alt+PrintScr does no longer work to produce a screen capture of the active window" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105041618:18
AlanBelljbicha: yeah, that looks about right18:19
trismhmm wonder why it works here18:19
AlanBellwell I can see my shortcuts window is messed up18:19
AlanBellhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/shortcuts.png18:20
AlanBellI would have done a screenshot of just that window however . . .18:21
AlanBellI would imagine that those duplicate entries have something to do with the problem18:21
trismoh weird didn't notice that before but I have duplicates too18:22
trismahh I see, /usr/share/gnome-control-center/keybindings/50-compiz-screenshot.xml, those are the duplicates18:29
trismAlanBell: do you have compiz gnome support enabled in ccsm? I notice without it PrintScreen works but alt+PrintScreen doesn't, with it both work (though compiz helpfully crashes when you enable/disable it)18:37
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AlanBelltrism: yes, that fixed it18:48
AlanBellI didn't have that but I turned it on18:48
AlanBellcompiz didn't crash but when the plugin stack reloads (which it does every time you turn on or off a plugin) the screen does look a bit worrying for a second18:49
AlanBellwhat used to happen is that the unity plugin failed to cleanly unload and reload, which got ccsm a bit of a bad reputation18:50
trismI suppose you're right it didn't crash every time, though the new .crash file in my /var/crash is telling me it crashed at least once while I was toggling the option18:56
allohakI am running ubuntu server, and trying to get pulseaudio working. At the moment, pacmd list-cards is reporting 0 cards, and I suspect this has something to do with the fact aplay is only playing sound when I run it as sudo. I have already tried adding my user to the "audio" group.19:10
FernandoMigueldamn19:21
FernandoMiguelpidgin is crashing again19:21
FernandoMiguelmust be the new Activity plugin from Unity19:21
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DaekdroomDoes anyone know whether fglrx currently works in Quantal?21:38
AaronCampbellRemoving Pulse audio fixed the Skype audio completely.  However, it also removed by panel icon for adjusting volume.  Is there an alternative mixer that will give me my icon back?21:38
DaekdroomAaronCampbell, as far as I know the sound indicator is coded to work only with pulseaudio.21:38
AaronCampbellDaekdroom: Bummer, because Skype was completely useless with pulseaudio (the audio was SO distorted and scratchy I couldn't tell what was going on)21:43
AaronCampbellIt's weird that there's no alternative though21:43
jbichayeah, indicator-sound depends on pulseaudio21:43
DaekdroomI wish there was an alternative as well.21:44
FernandoMiguelAaronCampbell: skype working fine, daily on my +121:44
FernandoMiguelDaekdroom: G+ hangouts?21:44
DaekdroomNot that Pulseaudio is not working ok for me, but I wish I could test and make my choice.21:44
DaekdroomOh, that too.21:45
DaekdroomIt screws up my microphone volume every G+ hangout, but I don't do those very often.21:45
DaekdroomSkype, on the other hand, works like a charm.21:45
jbichamaybe you can disable pulseaudio without uninstalling it21:46
DaekdroomThat would still make the sound indicator useless for controlling sound volume, wouldn't it?21:46
jbichaI don't know how though, as I've never had a reason to try uninstalling it21:46
DaekdroomI do recall in the past there was a OSSv4 PPA with a modified sound indicator, but I doubt that is updated anymore.21:47
leo-unglaubhey, i just wanted to try 12.10 but i can't find any alternate images22:01
leo-unglaubwhere are they?22:01
Daekdroomleo-unglaub, gone for good22:03
leo-unglaubäh? what?22:04
DaekdroomThere will be only LiveCD images for 12.1022:04
DaekdroomAnd the server version.22:04
leo-unglaub????????????? is this a joke?22:04
DaekdroomNOPE.22:04
Daekdroomoops. Damn Caps.22:05
leo-unglauboh my god...i am really used to strange stuff from the ubuntu guys...but that...22:05
DaekdroomI said, "nope".22:05
leo-unglaubhow do they think i can install i now?22:05
DaekdroomWell, there are only a few cases that LiveCD installer can't handle that alternate could.22:05
leo-unglauband add encrypted containers22:05
leo-unglaublvm22:05
leo-unglaubrescue mode, ...22:05
leo-unglauball this is gone?22:05
leo-unglaubDaekdroom: well, the live disk is not running on my computer. that was always so and propobly will always be that way22:07
leo-unglaubso that means there is no way to install ubuntu now..22:07
leo-unglaubno crypted discs, no lvm, no automated installation22:07
leo-unglaubto rescue mode?22:07
leo-unglaubgreat...22:07
leo-unglaububutun keeps getting better evers day...22:07
leo-unglaub:(22:07
Daekdroom" * The consolidated client images now support the logical volume   manager (LVM) as well as full disk encryption." https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-September/000161.html22:08
tsimpsonsee the thread -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-August/035675.html22:08
jbichayou can preseed the live CD22:09
jbicha...to automate installation22:09
leo-unglaubwell, thats great if the gui now can do that..but if the gui is not running here thats bad...22:09
leo-unglaubwhat kind of reasion is there to skip the alternate images???22:10
DaekdroomAlso, here's something I found: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/22:10
DaekdroomBut they're two weeks old.22:10
trismalso http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/22:11
genii-aroundI ♥ netboot22:11
Daekdroomleo-unglaub, less things to test and worry about.22:11
leo-unglaubDaekdroom: i found this here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/22:12
Daekdroom(although I'm slightly suspicious that it should be the opposite way: as the community grows, there are more people to test more possibilities)22:12
Daekdroomleo-unglaub, but those are the live images.22:12
DaekdroomDidn't you just say those don't work for you?22:12
leo-unglaubDaekdroom: thats the reasion i am angry currently, yes22:12
leo-unglaubDaekdroom: live images don't work here at all22:13
DaekdroomYeah, well.. The alternate images I found are two weeks old.22:13
leo-unglaubnever worked fine here22:13
DaekdroomAnd probably there won't be newer, not officially, atleast.22:13
leo-unglaubDaekdroom: yes, i am trying the two week old images, thanks22:13
leo-unglauband one word for the testing of the alternate iso. that can't be the reasion. the alternate installer is nearly 100% directly from debian22:14
leo-unglaubso there is not "that much" testing needed that you could say it's to much work22:14
DaekdroomThe ISOs need testing.22:15
DaekdroomEverything is there at the link tsimpson gave ^22:15
leo-unglaubyes, sure they need testing. but the alternate installer testing doesn't take soooo much time...22:16
leo-unglaubi am goind to put this on the mailinglist and give them a peace of my mind..22:16
tsimpsonyeah, because that'll be helpful22:16
leo-unglaubtsimpson: did you mean that sarcastic or do you also disagree with the dead of the alternative image?22:18
tsimpsonleo-unglaub: sarcastically, simply sending a heated mail saying you disagree with them etc is unhelpful. if you want to get somewhere, you should simply express your concerns, and ask for any advice22:19
tsimpsonand by "express your concerns" I mean by listing the examples where you believe you really do need the alternate CD. maybe someone has ways around the issues22:20
leo-unglaubtsimpson: well, i am using debian for now nearly 9 years. i know how community based development works and sadly ubuntu is currently trying sooo hard to piss of users with no reasion. the amazon thing and now this? i mean really? pissing of developers is propoply not the best way to do thinks.22:21
leo-unglaubevery few month the same..just ant to try ubuntu to see if my programms run there to and add some unity/ubuntu spefizic functions and every time trouble..22:22
tsimpsonif you really think the intent is to annoy people, then you haven't actually read any real information on it22:22
tsimpsonand the whole amazon thing is mostly FUD22:22
leo-unglaubwell, the amazon thing shows where the problem is. it's an indicator for the same thing that is wrong with the ubuntu one sync..22:23
DaekdroomWhat is wrong with the Ubuntu One sync?22:23
leo-unglaubtransmitting user input unencrypted over the internet..22:23
tsimpsondata will be encrypted, and anonymous22:24
leo-unglaubDaekdroom: whats wrong there? i have discussed it so often with the developers there i am tired of tailing about that..22:24
leo-unglaubthe main problem22:24
leo-unglaubno client side encryption22:24
tsimpsonit will be over https, that's encrypted22:24
leo-unglaubtsimpson: i am not talking about that, Daekdroom asked about the u1 problem22:24
tsimpsonI don't really use ubuntu one, so I don't care :)22:25
jbichaclient-side encryption isn't the right answer for every problem22:26
leo-unglaub;) you are better of without it, beleave me..they changes there api so often that every third party toold is broken every couple of month22:26
jbichafor instance, that would break being able to access your files with just a username, password, and web browser22:26
leo-unglaubjbicha: nope22:27
leo-unglaubthats just wrong22:27
leo-unglauband i explained it a while ago to the ubuntu one developers but they simply dont cared22:27
leo-unglaubeven my patch was not taken22:27
jbicharight, because they are solving a different problem than you are22:28
jbichayou are welcome to encrypt all you data before you upload it to Ubuntu One22:28
DaekdroomI still don't understand why it can't be encrypted...22:29
DaekdroomOh. Nevermind.22:29
leo-unglaub... i had the exact same discussion a few month ago..but anyway..lets go over it again.22:29
leo-unglaubDaekdroom: it can be encrypted22:29
leo-unglauband even accessed in the brower to22:29
jbichano, I'd rather not22:29
leo-unglaub;)22:31
leo-unglaubwell, thanks for answering my question about the alternate images22:31
leo-unglaubsad, but what can you do22:31
leo-unglaubthanks22:31
smallfoot-why ins't ubuntu-default-settings a canonical-supported package?22:49
trismsmallfoot-: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings/12.10.222:50
smallfoot-i dont understand22:51
smallfoot-ubuntu-settings is package i should have?22:52
trismsmallfoot-: yes22:52
smallfoot-ubuntu-default-setting is deprecated?22:52
trismsmallfoot-: did you read the changelog?22:52
smallfoot-ya22:52
smallfoot-ah, ubuntu-default-settings dont exist anymore, i dont find it in repo22:53
smallfoot-cuz i had it on my system, but it was renamed22:53
smallfoot-now i understand, thanks22:53
smallfoot-what is ubuntu-business.defaults?22:54
smallfoot-I have Canadian, American, UK, Australian, and South African English language dictionaries installed. Seems kinda unnescesary. How do I uninstall them, so I only have one English language?22:57
AaronCampbellFernandoMiguel: Must be Skype+Pulseaudio along with my sound (built on to Asus Sabertooth 990FX motherboard)23:11
AaronCampbellI wonder if there's something I can do to get Skype, Pulseaudio and my MB to play nice (Skype works fine without Pulseaudio, and all other audio works fine with OR without pulseaudio)23:12
FernandoMiguelAaronCampbell: you could try pulse audio from trunk23:23
FernandoMigueland he left23:23

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