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JoseeAntonioRyay, just got the official ubuntu book!00:10
SergioMenesesJoseeAntonioR, congratz!00:18
SergioMenesescan you share some pictures on fb?00:18
JoseeAntonioRSergioMeneses: sure, later00:28
cprofittbkerensa: ping01:13
cprofittBen, even if you meant it as a joke you should not have made the claim that someone at Canonical deleted a bug because they did not like it.01:13
bkerensacprofitt: I did not mean it as a joke01:14
bkerensait was 404'ing01:14
bkerensa<jbicha> it was marked private, I asked in #launchpad and it's getting changed back to Public01:14
bkerensa^01:14
cprofittI understand what happened -- I saw it when I read it and when cjohnston posted01:14
cprofittthere was no basis for you to make a claim it was deleted by a Canonical employee though01:15
bkerensaso why would you think I was making a joke?01:15
cprofittI assume you understood how bugs work01:15
bkerensacprofitt: Canonical employees are the only ones who can remove a bug01:15
jbichabkerensa: I am not aware of a bug ever being deleted01:15
cprofittI am not aware of a bug ever being deleted either01:15
bkerensajbicha: correct but if one were deleted a Canonical employee would have to do such01:16
cprofittbefore making a public claim about such a hot topic I certainly would have tried to verify that claim before going public about it01:16
jbichaindividual spam comments can be deleted though01:16
bkerensacprofitt: it was on at least two different sites01:16
bkerensajbicha: and pastebins01:16
bkerensa:)01:16
cprofitttwo different sites reported that a Canonical employee deleted a bug?01:16
ajmitchthat's like saying that it's on the internet, therefore it must be true01:17
cprofittas one of the respected members of the Ubuntu community I would have tried to reach out to my contacts and verify that before repeating something that was not verified01:17
bkerensacprofitt: I did exactly that01:18
bkerensajbicha can vouch for that01:18
cprofittwhat two sites reported it deleted?01:19
bkerensacprofitt: I pm'ed it to you01:23
cprofittthe bug was marked private at 8:24 and you posted about it at 8:25 (GMT-4)01:23
bkerensacorrect and when I saw it was no longer 404'ing and checked IRC back I removed it01:24
cprofittI humbly suggest that verifying the facts before posting is better than having to retract.01:26
jbichait looks to me like the bug was marked private at 23:54 GMT or 7:54 pm eastern01:33
cprofittjbicha: I thought that was when it was marked public again...01:40
cprofittmy display said 54 minutes ago at 9:2201:40
cprofittnow it just says an hour ago01:41
cprofittI may have gotten it incorrect01:41
ajmitchcprofitt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+activity shows times01:41
ubot2Launchpad bug 1054776 in unity-lens-shopping "Don't include remote searches in the home lens" [Undecided,Confirmed]01:41
ajmitchbut it doesn't really matter that much when it happened01:41
cprofittajmitch: nice -- that is much more accurate01:42
cprofittthanks for showing me that01:42
cprofittmy aplogies for the inference bkerensa01:43
jbichatoo much drama this weekend! I need to go find something boring to do!01:44
cprofittlol01:44
bkerensajbicha: screenshots01:44
bkerensa:D01:44
cprofittboring would be nice01:44
ajmitchjbicha: I heard that fishing can be relaxing01:45
bkerensahmm01:45
bkerensaIn November I go on vacation and hope to fish :)01:45
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dholbachgood morning06:56
elfymorning06:58
dholbachhola dpm07:00
jononight all07:08
jonosee you in 807:08
dpmhey dholbach07:10
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bkerensapopey: you up for a Ubuntu Game Night?07:50
bkerensa:)07:50
popeybkerensa, ooh07:57
popeywhat game(s)?07:58
czajkowskijust fyi folks, launchpad cannot delete a bug, there is also a dicussion taking place on LP-dev ml about the error message 404 and 40308:01
bkerensapopey: http://www.iheartubuntu.com/2012/09/ubuntu-game-night.html08:05
bkerensa^ maybe we can take it international :)08:05
bkerensaczajkowski: yeah I was confused by the 404 and thought it had been deleted.... I had never encountered a private bug before... except for mine which still show but have the red header08:06
czajkowskibkerensa: you should read out blog we blog about privacy a lot, you'd have the correct facts then!08:07
bkerensaczajkowski: I know08:07
czajkowskior ask before stating we delete thing and raising more spreading of fud!08:07
bkerensaczajkowski: blog.launchpad.net I assume?08:07
czajkowskiyes08:07
czajkowskiwhich is also on the planet08:07
czajkowskiwhich also gets added to UWN08:08
czajkowskiit has a twiter page G+ and FB pages so the information is out there08:08
bkerensaI do occasionally see your LP posts on planet08:08
jokerdinosee KDE's krunner and their affiliate search results - http://vizzzion.org/blog/2012/09/online-search-results-in-the-shell/08:56
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czajkowskihttp://blog.launchpad.net/general/launchpad-javascript-now-combo-loaded-and-faster-than-ever  good news16:30
snap-lYay!17:00
AlanBellthat sound like progress, wonder if there will be any cosmetic theme enhancments as a result17:13
czajkowskicosmetic in what regards ?17:13
AlanBellwell not all white17:14
czajkowskiah17:14
czajkowskiwell no not really tbh17:14
AlanBellok17:14
czajkowskimaybe some font changes if there is time but the person who works on that area is working on other things right now which are a higher priority17:15
AlanBellI keep meaning to make some user css to make launchpad look a bit more styled17:15
czajkowskipatches welcome :)17:15
AlanBellbut the yui framework makes that a bit tricky, it really needs to be a proper theme17:15
pleia2AlanBell: nooo, don't pull LP people off fixing hard bugs!17:16
pleia2pretty can wait :)17:16
czajkowskiLOL17:16
AlanBellyeah, I just wondered if the new yui would mean pretty comes for free17:16
czajkowskiwe have onver a years worth of critical bugs to fix17:16
czajkowskithen 1 years high bugs to fix17:16
pleia2czajkowski: *nod*17:16
czajkowskiso making it pretty isnt there atm17:16
czajkowskibut we are gonna run another 2 workshops at uds17:17
czajkowskito show people who to do stuff17:17
AlanBellyeah, crack on with the git support first :)17:17
czajkowskiand have ec2 set up of lp dev17:17
czajkowskiAlanBell: not even gonna happen any time soon17:17
AlanBelllol, I know17:17
pleia2czajkowski: oh good, people said nice things about the LP clinic :)17:19
czajkowskiyeah I'll have a post up tomorow17:20
czajkowskijust today got side tracked and then meh news over mate17:20
czajkowskiI need to haul in dev folks to run it also17:20
jcastro_mhall119, are the tracks all sorted and stuff? Like if I wanted to start submitting blueprints?17:22
mhall119jcastro_: should be, cjohnston ^^ ?17:23
jcastro_https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-r17:24
jcastro_looks like I should be able to start right?17:24
cjohnstonjcastro_: mhall119 made the tracks17:24
jcastro_ok17:24
cjohnstonmhall119 needs to add track leads :-)17:24
mhall119I thought you could do that17:24
* cjohnston assigns cjohnston as global track lead17:25
mhall119that's all responsibility and no benefit, you know that right?17:25
* cprofitt cprofitt smiles knowing that cjohnston knows that all too well17:25
cjohnstongives 100% veto power17:26
dholbachsee you tomorrow17:32
czajkowskitodays reward for being meh and long is a lovely chicken korma being delivered in 24 mins and counting17:36
* AlanBell hugs czajkowski for being meh and long17:55
snap-lI think today gets the meh and log award17:57
* AlanBell likes being silly with ambiguous sentences18:05
czajkowskiguess we'll wake up to another blog post on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1055766  tomorrow18:09
ubot2Launchpad bug 1055766 in gnome-terminal "grep -R doesn't automatically search amazon" [Undecided,Invalid]18:09
czajkowskiAlanBell: best mates mum died this morning, she was diagnosied about 7 weeks ago with stage 3 lung cancer18:09
AlanBelloh czajkowski I am sorry to hear that18:09
AlanBellhugs, sorry I was silly about it18:10
czajkowskino tis fine18:10
czajkowskijust last time we saw her was at the wedding18:10
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philballewafternoon ubuntu people19:47
SebastiaHi @ all! my name is Sebastian Tischer and I am student at the university of technology in Dresden and need to talk to some developers or employes within the company/foundation...19:50
SebastiaI need to get some basic company questions answered for my bachelor thesis which discusses open source software companies...19:50
AlanBellhello Sebastia19:50
SebastiaHi @AlanBell19:50
AlanBellI am not an employee, but might be able to point you in the right direction for the answers19:51
SebastiaI am getting redirected from channel to channel but no one who might be able to answer deeply my questions!19:51
czajkowskiSebastia: well you may want to narrow it down19:51
SebastiaI am writing my thesis about Open Source software communities and try to compare their basic structure, how they handle the community development process, who is allowed to contribute, what controls are there and so on!19:51
czajkowskiso we can point you in the right direction19:51
czajkowskiSebastia: so I'd suggestion talking to jono19:52
czajkowskias he's the community manager19:52
SebastiaI prepared an questionnaire I already send to the press tema but got no answer yet!19:52
philballewCollege people! finally someone like me!19:52
Sebastiajono? allright that is a direction great :) May you tell me where I can find or how I can contact him directly?19:52
AlanBellyou are unlikely to get an answer from the press team19:52
czajkowskiSebastia: I've said his name here so he might get a chance to reply19:52
AlanBellthere is loads of information on the wiki about the governance of the project19:52
czajkowskiif not you can drop him an email19:52
czajkowskiSebastia: jono @ ubuntu dot com19:53
Sebastiaan email would be wonderful! I doubt getting an answer from the press team in time!19:53
AlanBellhttp://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/governance19:53
Sebastiaperfect you saved my evening! :) thank you very very much19:53
czajkowskiwell if it's a  thesis I'm sure there is months of notice to be given19:53
czajkowskiunless this is a last min thing19:53
philballewwhats your major you have to do this for?19:54
philballewunless other countries dont have majors19:55
Sebastiaah no unfortunately we only have 2 months time and I waited quite a long time yet for the press answer!19:55
Sebastia1 month still left so quite enough time!19:55
philballewhow long does it need to be?19:55
Sebastiamajor is right :) this is technology and innovation management as well as marketing!19:55
mhall119Sebastia: have you read jono's book: The Art of Community?19:56
SebastiaIf it would not be to much I can send the questions I prepared here! maybe you can answer them to me too?19:56
Sebastiano not yet but I put it on my todo list for the literature part!19:56
czajkowskiSebastia: you might also like to post it to loco contacts19:56
czajkowskiyou might get a lot of variety19:56
czajkowskireally depepnds on what level you want19:56
Sebastialoco contacts?!19:56
philballewI have an older edition if you cant easily get a copy Sebastia or are short on funds19:56
mhall119it goes out to all of our local community teams19:56
mhall119philballew: I'm pretty sure it's available as a free PDF19:57
Sebastia1. What size does the company have?19:57
Sebastia- employes19:57
Sebastia- users19:57
Sebastia- developers19:57
Sebastia2. On what business model is the company based?19:57
Sebastia3. How are eventual costs handled? With what are you earning money?19:57
Sebastia4. Which Web 2.0 tools are used to efficiently use the knowledge of the user group?19:57
philballewah, thats right mhall119 forgot.19:57
Sebastia5. Which technical resources are used for development, documentation, feedback, bugs, features, patches, mailings etc.?19:57
Sebastia6. Who is allowed to contribute to the source code?19:57
Sebastia7. Which criteria need to be fulfilled to contribute?19:57
* philballew fetches pdf link19:57
mhall119Sebastia: better to send as an email19:57
czajkowskiSebastia: plase dont paste them all19:57
Sebastia8. What control mechanisms exist to check which code gets into the productive system?19:57
Sebastia9. How is the approval process going on to let people contribute?19:57
Sebastia10. What can be contributed by developers or users? Where is the cut within the development process (untouched parts of the application)?19:57
Sebastia11. Are your documentations being updated on a regular basis?19:57
czajkowskiSebastia: use pastebin if needed19:57
Sebastia12. How do you motivate the community to contribute?19:57
Sebastiathats all I need to know!19:57
Sebastiaso if you just know what it is about! thanks for the book hint! ;)19:58
philballewhttp://www.artofcommunityonline.org/2009/09/18/the-art-of-community-now-available-for-free-download/19:58
mhall119Sebastia: send it in an email, posting in IRC means it'll be out of sight and out of mind in about 30 seconds19:58
philballewthats the first edition, should be good enough to skim through some parts19:58
Sebastiathank you very much for the link! you are amazingly helpful :)19:59
Sebastiamay I ask what you mean send it in an email?! to whom? I am new to this IRC stuff so no real idea how things are going here20:00
jonoballoons, all set?20:00
balloonsprompt.. must be the calendar thing20:00
* balloons notes I should do this more often :-)\20:00
jonoballoons, haha20:01
jonoballoons, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/284afa0889e5dd0632b545df9d8c99f71f08ab1a?authuser=0&hl=en-US20:01
mhall119Sebastia: send it to jono <at> ubuntu.com, and loco-contact <at> list.ubuntu.com20:02
mhall119replacing "<at>" with "@"20:02
Sebastiaof course! perfect! Thank you very much! I send it to both and wait for an answer! perfect thank you very much!20:03
Sebastiaubuntu is the last "big" one I need to get the infos from20:03
mhall119Sebastia: did you get info from Mozilla?20:04
Sebastiaok, one stupid question again... got notification error while sending via normal email client!20:04
Sebastiaanything special to do to send it at the loco contacts adress?!20:05
mhall119Sebastia: sorry, should be loco-contacts (plural) not loco-contact20:05
Sebastiano I analyzed open office, ubuntu and eclipse!20:05
mhall119Sebastia: bkerensa and nigelb are both involved with the Mozilla community too, they can probably get you in contact with someone there20:06
Sebastiaam I right and see that jono is online?20:06
philballewyeah, but bust atm20:06
bkerensaSebastia: I handle North America Marketing stuff for Mozilla where are you based out of?20:07
Sebastiaah damn! ok I will wait maybe he as a free minut!20:07
mhall119Sebastia: online != available20:07
mhall119better to send him an email20:07
philballew+120:07
bkerensa+520:07
Sebastia@bkerensa: Hi, I am based in germany but my questions aren't location biased I think!20:07
meetingologySebastia: Error: "bkerensa:" is not a valid command.20:07
mhall119when did we get meetingology in here?20:08
philballewwe hold meetings here?20:08
bkerensaSebastia: ahh well if you send me an e-mail and let me know what info you need on Mozilla I can get it for you bkerensa@ubuntu.com we have a good size group of people in Germany20:08
SebastiaI send you the email this moment!20:08
mhall119philballew: yeah, but I thought we had the old bot20:08
bkerensaSebastia: I might have some info too :) I just helped someone with their thesis on open source last year20:09
mhall119bkerensa: he's writing a paper comparing different communities20:09
Sebastiasounds amazing! I explained all in the mail!20:09
SebastiaI want to analyze how contributors are checked before they can contribute, what tools are used and oif there are internal hierarchies! the result should be to find out if the knowledge of the users is managed in the best way to get most out of it!20:10
Sebastiamost times developers are highly motivated and intelligent but some ideas aren't getting where they could be succesfull! Result would be loss of interest and switching to another project!20:11
Sebastiafor that purpose I compare 3 global player like ubunut, open office and eclipse with some smaller firms/foundations: plex, xbmc and miro!20:11
Sebastiaunfortunately I don't get the answers in the time I need them due the fact my time is very limited!20:12
philballewdepends on the project.20:12
Sebastiabkerensa: I hope you got my mail?20:12
czajkowskiSebastia: well 2 months doesnt seem a lot for a thesis20:12
AlanBellyes, but you will have to go digging for some of the answers20:13
czajkowskiand usually months of research go into to something20:13
bkerensaSebastia: I did and am answering it now :)20:13
AlanBellsome of the answers are probably on the wikipedia pages too20:13
czajkowskiSebastia: you;ll also have to do some of the research yourself to do follow up questions #20:13
Sebastiadefinitly! But not all are written down due the fact these are internal restrictions from the company!20:13
bkerensaczajkowski: A lady working on her PHD in Comp Sci only had one month :)20:13
bkerensashe used the Ubuntu Community for her project20:14
Sebastiabkerensa: wonderful! You are my rescue :)20:14
Sebastiathank you very much!20:14
czajkowskibkerensa: what kinda phD is that20:14
czajkowskimost take years20:14
czajkowskihttp://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved20:14
czajkowskihttp://www.ubuntu.com/community20:14
Sebastiaexactly! I personally studie and work as web developer to beside the thesis and we need multiple sources so another answer by an member is very helpful!20:15
czajkowskibkerensa: seems poorly ressearched20:15
SebastiaI am not an lazy guy trying to get work done externally ;)20:15
czajkowskiSebastia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/20:15
czajkowskilots there also20:15
czajkowskithousands of pages many of which jcastro_ wishes were deleted :)20:16
Sebastiaczajkowski: 1 month for an phd is pretty less though but yeah if you are expert in the field defunitely possible20:16
bkerensaczajkowski: well she had been a comp sci professor for years prior ;) and used Ubuntu for awhile20:16
czajkowskidoesn tmkatter bkerensa20:16
bkerensaczajkowski: We got her a lot of resources :) Canonical employees taught her how to package in one hour :)20:16
czajkowskiSebastia: send me the questions if you want also, I;m on the loco council, the community council and also working for canonical.20:16
Sebastiaczajkowski: thanks for the link I am digging there for quite a while yet!20:16
czajkowskibkerensa: seems odd.20:17
Sebastiaczajkowski: perfect thank you very very much! may you give me your email? would be very valuable!!!20:17
czajkowskimates doing phds are doing them for 2-3 years20:17
czajkowskiSebastia: laura.czajkowski@canonical.com20:17
SebastiaTHANK YOU :)20:17
czajkowskiNp20:17
czajkowskiwill reply in the morning20:17
czajkowskiI'm in the middle of stuff right now.20:17
Sebastiatake your time! it is great to know that there is someone I can rely on within the next days20:18
bkerensaSebastia: I just sent some answers to your questions let me know if you need more info on Mozilla :)20:19
Sebastiabkerensa: great thank you very much for your fast help!!! :) I will look through them the moment they arrive and follow up if needed !! :)20:20
bkerensaSebastia: The Community Chapter of the 7th Ed of the Official Ubuntu Book might be useful too :) it was written by some bright minds20:20
bkerensaSebastia: Also you might talk to Amber Graner you can e-mail her at akgraner@ubuntu.com20:21
Sebastiawow I am impressed by all your help :)20:21
Sebastiayou are really great :)20:21
Sebastiathank you! I have only one follow up question thats all! I will send it via email then I am fine with all!!! :)20:22
Sebastiabkerensa: Just send the follow up;) thanks again20:26
Sebastiabkerensa: I will go offline now! I send you the follow up and if you might have time thanks for your valuable feedback :)20:50
jonomhall119, all set?21:00
mhall119yup21:07
mhall119jono: ^21:07
jonook, will be two mins and then ready21:08
jonomhall119, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/e3e8ea6de750b2cd46a2e70b7a026af85a6913bf?authuser=0&hl=en-US21:12
jonoJoseeAntonioR, hey21:27
jonoaround?21:27
jonoor jcastro_21:28
jonoaround?21:28
bkerensajono: I think Josee is sleep21:28
jonogotcha21:28
jonoI need an Ubuntu On Air dude21:28
jonoor dudette21:28
bkerensaI am one21:29
jonoahhh cool21:29
bkerensapopey too21:29
jonotomorrow at 11am Pacific I would like to do my Q+A session21:29
bkerensaok21:29
jonoand do it on Ubuntu On Air21:29
bkerensawe will make it happen21:29
jonocan you help me do that?21:29
bkerensa:)21:29
jonothanks!21:29
jonoI will blog about it and point people there21:29
bkerensaok21:29
jonoI want to start my sessions back up again21:29
bkerensaDo you know how to use on air?21:29
jonothis seems a good week to do it ;-)21:29
jonobkerensa, usually someone else invites me to a hangout21:30
bkerensaok21:30
bkerensaI will make sure someone is there to run the account then21:30
bkerensajono: your Q+A's are missed21:30
jonothanks!21:30
bkerensaspeaking of the devil ;)21:43
* bkerensa pats popey21:43
popeyruh roh21:44
JoseeAntonioRjono: here I am, was at school22:50
jonoJoseeAntonioR, np22:52
jonobkerensa emailed you22:53
JoseeAntonioRyep22:53
jonoI would like to do a hangout tomorrow22:53
JoseeAntonioRjono: will be at school by that time22:53
SebastianHi jono23:05
jonohi Sebastian23:05
Sebastianyou were recommended by bkerensa concerning some questions about my bachelor thesis23:05
SebastianI send you an email a few hours ago! Would it be possible helping we with these questions?23:06
Sebastianjono: you can reply when you like! I just wanted to know if you are the right person to speak to?23:13
Sebastiajono: sorry my client crashed :/23:14
jonoSebastia, I saw your email23:14
jonowill get to it :-)23:14
Sebastiaperfect! Thats all I need to know :)23:14
Sebastiayou are great thank you! The press team probably won't reply in next time so you are my last rescue!!! :)23:15
IdleOneheh, no pressure :)23:16
Sebastiano sorry that wasn't my purpose :)23:16
SebastiaUnfortunately I am under pressure thats why I need to get the infos fast! I know there is always one dying to get stuff done and you can't work on everything parallel! so I really apologize for contacting many of you :)23:17
SebastiaDamn university stuff is always preasuring ;)23:17
Sebastiathank you guys for your help I am off for now! talk to you when you have time jono if you like I can phone you or skype you whatever you want! just shot me an email and I will make it possible :) have a great night you all :)23:20
philballewyou as well23:21
Sebastiathank you :)23:21
Sebastiabye23:21

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