[00:10] <JoseeAntonioR> yay, just got the official ubuntu book!
[00:18] <SergioMeneses> JoseeAntonioR, congratz!
[00:18] <SergioMeneses> can you share some pictures on fb?
[00:28] <JoseeAntonioR> SergioMeneses: sure, later
[01:13] <cprofitt> bkerensa: ping
[01:13] <cprofitt> Ben, even if you meant it as a joke you should not have made the claim that someone at Canonical deleted a bug because they did not like it.
[01:14] <bkerensa> cprofitt: I did not mean it as a joke
[01:14] <bkerensa> it was 404'ing
[01:14] <bkerensa> <jbicha> it was marked private, I asked in #launchpad and it's getting changed back to Public
[01:14] <bkerensa> ^
[01:14] <cprofitt> I understand what happened -- I saw it when I read it and when cjohnston posted
[01:15] <cprofitt> there was no basis for you to make a claim it was deleted by a Canonical employee though
[01:15] <bkerensa> so why would you think I was making a joke?
[01:15] <cprofitt> I assume you understood how bugs work
[01:15] <bkerensa> cprofitt: Canonical employees are the only ones who can remove a bug
[01:15] <jbicha> bkerensa: I am not aware of a bug ever being deleted
[01:15] <cprofitt> I am not aware of a bug ever being deleted either
[01:16] <bkerensa> jbicha: correct but if one were deleted a Canonical employee would have to do such
[01:16] <cprofitt> before making a public claim about such a hot topic I certainly would have tried to verify that claim before going public about it
[01:16] <jbicha> individual spam comments can be deleted though
[01:16] <bkerensa> cprofitt: it was on at least two different sites
[01:16] <bkerensa> jbicha: and pastebins
[01:16] <bkerensa> :)
[01:16] <cprofitt> two different sites reported that a Canonical employee deleted a bug?
[01:17] <ajmitch> that's like saying that it's on the internet, therefore it must be true
[01:17] <cprofitt> as one of the respected members of the Ubuntu community I would have tried to reach out to my contacts and verify that before repeating something that was not verified
[01:18] <bkerensa> cprofitt: I did exactly that
[01:18] <bkerensa> jbicha can vouch for that
[01:19] <cprofitt> what two sites reported it deleted?
[01:23] <bkerensa> cprofitt: I pm'ed it to you
[01:23] <cprofitt> the bug was marked private at 8:24 and you posted about it at 8:25 (GMT-4)
[01:24] <bkerensa> correct and when I saw it was no longer 404'ing and checked IRC back I removed it
[01:26] <cprofitt> I humbly suggest that verifying the facts before posting is better than having to retract.
[01:33] <jbicha> it looks to me like the bug was marked private at 23:54 GMT or 7:54 pm eastern
[01:40] <cprofitt> jbicha: I thought that was when it was marked public again...
[01:40] <cprofitt> my display said 54 minutes ago at 9:22
[01:41] <cprofitt> now it just says an hour ago
[01:41] <cprofitt> I may have gotten it incorrect
[01:41] <ajmitch> cprofitt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+activity shows times
[01:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1054776 in unity-lens-shopping "Don't include remote searches in the home lens" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:41] <ajmitch> but it doesn't really matter that much when it happened
[01:42] <cprofitt> ajmitch: nice -- that is much more accurate
[01:42] <cprofitt> thanks for showing me that
[01:43] <cprofitt> my aplogies for the inference bkerensa
[01:44] <jbicha> too much drama this weekend! I need to go find something boring to do!
[01:44] <cprofitt> lol
[01:44] <bkerensa> jbicha: screenshots
[01:44] <bkerensa> :D
[01:44] <cprofitt> boring would be nice
[01:45] <ajmitch> jbicha: I heard that fishing can be relaxing
[01:45] <bkerensa> hmm
[01:45] <bkerensa> In November I go on vacation and hope to fish :)
[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[06:58] <elfy> morning
[07:00] <dholbach> hola dpm
[07:08] <jono> night all
[07:08] <jono> see you in 8
[07:10] <dpm> hey dholbach
[07:50] <bkerensa> popey: you up for a Ubuntu Game Night?
[07:50] <bkerensa> :)
[07:57] <popey> bkerensa, ooh
[07:58] <popey> what game(s)?
[08:01] <czajkowski> just fyi folks, launchpad cannot delete a bug, there is also a dicussion taking place on LP-dev ml about the error message 404 and 403
[08:05] <bkerensa> popey: http://www.iheartubuntu.com/2012/09/ubuntu-game-night.html
[08:05] <bkerensa> ^ maybe we can take it international :)
[08:06] <bkerensa> czajkowski: yeah I was confused by the 404 and thought it had been deleted.... I had never encountered a private bug before... except for mine which still show but have the red header
[08:07] <czajkowski> bkerensa: you should read out blog we blog about privacy a lot, you'd have the correct facts then!
[08:07] <bkerensa> czajkowski: I know
[08:07] <czajkowski> or ask before stating we delete thing and raising more spreading of fud!
[08:07] <bkerensa> czajkowski: blog.launchpad.net I assume?
[08:07] <czajkowski> yes
[08:07] <czajkowski> which is also on the planet
[08:08] <czajkowski> which also gets added to UWN
[08:08] <czajkowski> it has a twiter page G+ and FB pages so the information is out there
[08:08] <bkerensa> I do occasionally see your LP posts on planet
[08:56] <jokerdino> see KDE's krunner and their affiliate search results - http://vizzzion.org/blog/2012/09/online-search-results-in-the-shell/
[16:30] <czajkowski> http://blog.launchpad.net/general/launchpad-javascript-now-combo-loaded-and-faster-than-ever  good news
[17:00] <snap-l> Yay!
[17:13] <AlanBell> that sound like progress, wonder if there will be any cosmetic theme enhancments as a result
[17:13] <czajkowski> cosmetic in what regards ?
[17:14] <AlanBell> well not all white
[17:14] <czajkowski> ah
[17:14] <czajkowski> well no not really tbh
[17:14] <AlanBell> ok
[17:15] <czajkowski> maybe some font changes if there is time but the person who works on that area is working on other things right now which are a higher priority
[17:15] <AlanBell> I keep meaning to make some user css to make launchpad look a bit more styled
[17:15] <czajkowski> patches welcome :)
[17:15] <AlanBell> but the yui framework makes that a bit tricky, it really needs to be a proper theme
[17:16] <pleia2> AlanBell: nooo, don't pull LP people off fixing hard bugs!
[17:16] <pleia2> pretty can wait :)
[17:16] <czajkowski> LOL
[17:16] <AlanBell> yeah, I just wondered if the new yui would mean pretty comes for free
[17:16] <czajkowski> we have onver a years worth of critical bugs to fix
[17:16] <czajkowski> then 1 years high bugs to fix
[17:16] <pleia2> czajkowski: *nod*
[17:16] <czajkowski> so making it pretty isnt there atm
[17:17] <czajkowski> but we are gonna run another 2 workshops at uds
[17:17] <czajkowski> to show people who to do stuff
[17:17] <AlanBell> yeah, crack on with the git support first :)
[17:17] <czajkowski> and have ec2 set up of lp dev
[17:17] <czajkowski> AlanBell: not even gonna happen any time soon
[17:17] <AlanBell> lol, I know
[17:19] <pleia2> czajkowski: oh good, people said nice things about the LP clinic :)
[17:20] <czajkowski> yeah I'll have a post up tomorow
[17:20] <czajkowski> just today got side tracked and then meh news over mate
[17:20] <czajkowski> I need to haul in dev folks to run it also
[17:22] <jcastro_> mhall119, are the tracks all sorted and stuff? Like if I wanted to start submitting blueprints?
[17:23] <mhall119> jcastro_: should be, cjohnston ^^ ?
[17:24] <jcastro_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-r
[17:24] <jcastro_> looks like I should be able to start right?
[17:24] <cjohnston> jcastro_: mhall119 made the tracks
[17:24] <jcastro_> ok
[17:24] <cjohnston> mhall119 needs to add track leads :-)
[17:24] <mhall119> I thought you could do that
[17:25]  * cjohnston assigns cjohnston as global track lead
[17:25] <mhall119> that's all responsibility and no benefit, you know that right?
[17:25]  * cprofitt cprofitt smiles knowing that cjohnston knows that all too well
[17:26] <cjohnston> gives 100% veto power
[17:32] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[17:36] <czajkowski> todays reward for being meh and long is a lovely chicken korma being delivered in 24 mins and counting
[17:55]  * AlanBell hugs czajkowski for being meh and long
[17:57] <snap-l> I think today gets the meh and log award
[18:05]  * AlanBell likes being silly with ambiguous sentences
[18:09] <czajkowski> guess we'll wake up to another blog post on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1055766  tomorrow
[18:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1055766 in gnome-terminal "grep -R doesn't automatically search amazon" [Undecided,Invalid]
[18:09] <czajkowski> AlanBell: best mates mum died this morning, she was diagnosied about 7 weeks ago with stage 3 lung cancer
[18:09] <AlanBell> oh czajkowski I am sorry to hear that
[18:10] <AlanBell> hugs, sorry I was silly about it
[18:10] <czajkowski> no tis fine
[18:10] <czajkowski> just last time we saw her was at the wedding
[19:47] <philballew> afternoon ubuntu people
[19:50] <Sebastia> Hi @ all! my name is Sebastian Tischer and I am student at the university of technology in Dresden and need to talk to some developers or employes within the company/foundation...
[19:50] <Sebastia> I need to get some basic company questions answered for my bachelor thesis which discusses open source software companies...
[19:50] <AlanBell> hello Sebastia
[19:50] <Sebastia> Hi @AlanBell
[19:51] <AlanBell> I am not an employee, but might be able to point you in the right direction for the answers
[19:51] <Sebastia> I am getting redirected from channel to channel but no one who might be able to answer deeply my questions!
[19:51] <czajkowski> Sebastia: well you may want to narrow it down
[19:51] <Sebastia> I am writing my thesis about Open Source software communities and try to compare their basic structure, how they handle the community development process, who is allowed to contribute, what controls are there and so on!
[19:51] <czajkowski> so we can point you in the right direction
[19:52] <czajkowski> Sebastia: so I'd suggestion talking to jono
[19:52] <czajkowski> as he's the community manager
[19:52] <Sebastia> I prepared an questionnaire I already send to the press tema but got no answer yet!
[19:52] <philballew> College people! finally someone like me!
[19:52] <Sebastia> jono? allright that is a direction great :) May you tell me where I can find or how I can contact him directly?
[19:52] <AlanBell> you are unlikely to get an answer from the press team
[19:52] <czajkowski> Sebastia: I've said his name here so he might get a chance to reply
[19:52] <AlanBell> there is loads of information on the wiki about the governance of the project
[19:52] <czajkowski> if not you can drop him an email
[19:53] <czajkowski> Sebastia: jono @ ubuntu dot com
[19:53] <Sebastia> an email would be wonderful! I doubt getting an answer from the press team in time!
[19:53] <AlanBell> http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/governance
[19:53] <Sebastia> perfect you saved my evening! :) thank you very very much
[19:53] <czajkowski> well if it's a  thesis I'm sure there is months of notice to be given
[19:53] <czajkowski> unless this is a last min thing
[19:54] <philballew> whats your major you have to do this for?
[19:55] <philballew> unless other countries dont have majors
[19:55] <Sebastia> ah no unfortunately we only have 2 months time and I waited quite a long time yet for the press answer!
[19:55] <Sebastia> 1 month still left so quite enough time!
[19:55] <philballew> how long does it need to be?
[19:55] <Sebastia> major is right :) this is technology and innovation management as well as marketing!
[19:56] <mhall119> Sebastia: have you read jono's book: The Art of Community?
[19:56] <Sebastia> If it would not be to much I can send the questions I prepared here! maybe you can answer them to me too?
[19:56] <Sebastia> no not yet but I put it on my todo list for the literature part!
[19:56] <czajkowski> Sebastia: you might also like to post it to loco contacts
[19:56] <czajkowski> you might get a lot of variety
[19:56] <czajkowski> really depepnds on what level you want
[19:56] <Sebastia> loco contacts?!
[19:56] <philballew> I have an older edition if you cant easily get a copy Sebastia or are short on funds
[19:56] <mhall119> it goes out to all of our local community teams
[19:57] <mhall119> philballew: I'm pretty sure it's available as a free PDF
[19:57] <Sebastia> 1. What size does the company have?
[19:57] <Sebastia> 	- employes
[19:57] <Sebastia> 	- users
[19:57] <Sebastia> 	- developers
[19:57] <Sebastia> 2. On what business model is the company based?
[19:57] <Sebastia> 3. How are eventual costs handled? With what are you earning money?
[19:57] <Sebastia> 4. Which Web 2.0 tools are used to efficiently use the knowledge of the user group?
[19:57] <philballew> ah, thats right mhall119 forgot.
[19:57] <Sebastia> 5. Which technical resources are used for development, documentation, feedback, bugs, features, patches, mailings etc.?
[19:57] <Sebastia> 6. Who is allowed to contribute to the source code?
[19:57] <Sebastia> 7. Which criteria need to be fulfilled to contribute?
[19:57]  * philballew fetches pdf link
[19:57] <mhall119> Sebastia: better to send as an email
[19:57] <czajkowski> Sebastia: plase dont paste them all
[19:57] <Sebastia> 8. What control mechanisms exist to check which code gets into the productive system?
[19:57] <Sebastia> 9. How is the approval process going on to let people contribute?
[19:57] <Sebastia> 10. What can be contributed by developers or users? Where is the cut within the development process (untouched parts of the application)?
[19:57] <Sebastia> 11. Are your documentations being updated on a regular basis?
[19:57] <czajkowski> Sebastia: use pastebin if needed
[19:57] <Sebastia> 12. How do you motivate the community to contribute?
[19:57] <Sebastia> thats all I need to know!
[19:58] <Sebastia> so if you just know what it is about! thanks for the book hint! ;)
[19:58] <philballew> http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/2009/09/18/the-art-of-community-now-available-for-free-download/
[19:58] <mhall119> Sebastia: send it in an email, posting in IRC means it'll be out of sight and out of mind in about 30 seconds
[19:58] <philballew> thats the first edition, should be good enough to skim through some parts
[19:59] <Sebastia> thank you very much for the link! you are amazingly helpful :)
[20:00] <Sebastia> may I ask what you mean send it in an email?! to whom? I am new to this IRC stuff so no real idea how things are going here
[20:00] <jono> balloons, all set?
[20:00] <balloons> prompt.. must be the calendar thing
[20:00]  * balloons notes I should do this more often :-)\
[20:01] <jono> balloons, haha
[20:01] <jono> balloons, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/284afa0889e5dd0632b545df9d8c99f71f08ab1a?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[20:02] <mhall119> Sebastia: send it to jono <at> ubuntu.com, and loco-contact <at> list.ubuntu.com
[20:02] <mhall119> replacing "<at>" with "@"
[20:03] <Sebastia> of course! perfect! Thank you very much! I send it to both and wait for an answer! perfect thank you very much!
[20:03] <Sebastia> ubuntu is the last "big" one I need to get the infos from
[20:04] <mhall119> Sebastia: did you get info from Mozilla?
[20:04] <Sebastia> ok, one stupid question again... got notification error while sending via normal email client!
[20:05] <Sebastia> anything special to do to send it at the loco contacts adress?!
[20:05] <mhall119> Sebastia: sorry, should be loco-contacts (plural) not loco-contact
[20:05] <Sebastia> no I analyzed open office, ubuntu and eclipse!
[20:06] <mhall119> Sebastia: bkerensa and nigelb are both involved with the Mozilla community too, they can probably get you in contact with someone there
[20:06] <Sebastia> am I right and see that jono is online?
[20:06] <philballew> yeah, but bust atm
[20:07] <bkerensa> Sebastia: I handle North America Marketing stuff for Mozilla where are you based out of?
[20:07] <Sebastia> ah damn! ok I will wait maybe he as a free minut!
[20:07] <mhall119> Sebastia: online != available
[20:07] <mhall119> better to send him an email
[20:07] <philballew> +1
[20:07] <bkerensa> +5
[20:07] <Sebastia> @bkerensa: Hi, I am based in germany but my questions aren't location biased I think!
[20:07] <meetingology> Sebastia: Error: "bkerensa:" is not a valid command.
[20:08] <mhall119> when did we get meetingology in here?
[20:08] <philballew> we hold meetings here?
[20:08] <bkerensa> Sebastia: ahh well if you send me an e-mail and let me know what info you need on Mozilla I can get it for you bkerensa@ubuntu.com we have a good size group of people in Germany
[20:08] <Sebastia> I send you the email this moment!
[20:08] <mhall119> philballew: yeah, but I thought we had the old bot
[20:09] <bkerensa> Sebastia: I might have some info too :) I just helped someone with their thesis on open source last year
[20:09] <mhall119> bkerensa: he's writing a paper comparing different communities
[20:09] <Sebastia> sounds amazing! I explained all in the mail!
[20:10] <Sebastia> I want to analyze how contributors are checked before they can contribute, what tools are used and oif there are internal hierarchies! the result should be to find out if the knowledge of the users is managed in the best way to get most out of it!
[20:11] <Sebastia> most times developers are highly motivated and intelligent but some ideas aren't getting where they could be succesfull! Result would be loss of interest and switching to another project!
[20:11] <Sebastia> for that purpose I compare 3 global player like ubunut, open office and eclipse with some smaller firms/foundations: plex, xbmc and miro!
[20:12] <Sebastia> unfortunately I don't get the answers in the time I need them due the fact my time is very limited!
[20:12] <philballew> depends on the project.
[20:12] <Sebastia> bkerensa: I hope you got my mail?
[20:12] <czajkowski> Sebastia: well 2 months doesnt seem a lot for a thesis
[20:13] <AlanBell> yes, but you will have to go digging for some of the answers
[20:13] <czajkowski> and usually months of research go into to something
[20:13] <bkerensa> Sebastia: I did and am answering it now :)
[20:13] <AlanBell> some of the answers are probably on the wikipedia pages too
[20:13] <czajkowski> Sebastia: you;ll also have to do some of the research yourself to do follow up questions #
[20:13] <Sebastia> definitly! But not all are written down due the fact these are internal restrictions from the company!
[20:13] <bkerensa> czajkowski: A lady working on her PHD in Comp Sci only had one month :)
[20:14] <bkerensa> she used the Ubuntu Community for her project
[20:14] <Sebastia> bkerensa: wonderful! You are my rescue :)
[20:14] <Sebastia> thank you very much!
[20:14] <czajkowski> bkerensa: what kinda phD is that
[20:14] <czajkowski> most take years
[20:14] <czajkowski> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved
[20:14] <czajkowski> http://www.ubuntu.com/community
[20:15] <Sebastia> exactly! I personally studie and work as web developer to beside the thesis and we need multiple sources so another answer by an member is very helpful!
[20:15] <czajkowski> bkerensa: seems poorly ressearched
[20:15] <Sebastia> I am not an lazy guy trying to get work done externally ;)
[20:15] <czajkowski> Sebastia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[20:15] <czajkowski> lots there also
[20:16] <czajkowski> thousands of pages many of which jcastro_ wishes were deleted :)
[20:16] <Sebastia> czajkowski: 1 month for an phd is pretty less though but yeah if you are expert in the field defunitely possible
[20:16] <bkerensa> czajkowski: well she had been a comp sci professor for years prior ;) and used Ubuntu for awhile
[20:16] <czajkowski> doesn tmkatter bkerensa
[20:16] <bkerensa> czajkowski: We got her a lot of resources :) Canonical employees taught her how to package in one hour :)
[20:16] <czajkowski> Sebastia: send me the questions if you want also, I;m on the loco council, the community council and also working for canonical.
[20:16] <Sebastia> czajkowski: thanks for the link I am digging there for quite a while yet!
[20:17] <czajkowski> bkerensa: seems odd.
[20:17] <Sebastia> czajkowski: perfect thank you very very much! may you give me your email? would be very valuable!!!
[20:17] <czajkowski> mates doing phds are doing them for 2-3 years
[20:17] <czajkowski> Sebastia: laura.czajkowski@canonical.com
[20:17] <Sebastia> THANK YOU :)
[20:17] <czajkowski> Np
[20:17] <czajkowski> will reply in the morning
[20:17] <czajkowski> I'm in the middle of stuff right now.
[20:18] <Sebastia> take your time! it is great to know that there is someone I can rely on within the next days
[20:19] <bkerensa> Sebastia: I just sent some answers to your questions let me know if you need more info on Mozilla :)
[20:20] <Sebastia> bkerensa: great thank you very much for your fast help!!! :) I will look through them the moment they arrive and follow up if needed !! :)
[20:20] <bkerensa> Sebastia: The Community Chapter of the 7th Ed of the Official Ubuntu Book might be useful too :) it was written by some bright minds
[20:21] <bkerensa> Sebastia: Also you might talk to Amber Graner you can e-mail her at akgraner@ubuntu.com
[20:21] <Sebastia> wow I am impressed by all your help :)
[20:21] <Sebastia> you are really great :)
[20:22] <Sebastia> thank you! I have only one follow up question thats all! I will send it via email then I am fine with all!!! :)
[20:26] <Sebastia> bkerensa: Just send the follow up;) thanks again
[20:50] <Sebastia> bkerensa: I will go offline now! I send you the follow up and if you might have time thanks for your valuable feedback :)
[21:00] <jono> mhall119, all set?
[21:07] <mhall119> yup
[21:07] <mhall119> jono: ^
[21:08] <jono> ok, will be two mins and then ready
[21:12] <jono> mhall119, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/e3e8ea6de750b2cd46a2e70b7a026af85a6913bf?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[21:27] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, hey
[21:27] <jono> around?
[21:28] <jono> or jcastro_
[21:28] <jono> around?
[21:28] <bkerensa> jono: I think Josee is sleep
[21:28] <jono> gotcha
[21:28] <jono> I need an Ubuntu On Air dude
[21:28] <jono> or dudette
[21:29] <bkerensa> I am one
[21:29] <jono> ahhh cool
[21:29] <bkerensa> popey too
[21:29] <jono> tomorrow at 11am Pacific I would like to do my Q+A session
[21:29] <bkerensa> ok
[21:29] <jono> and do it on Ubuntu On Air
[21:29] <bkerensa> we will make it happen
[21:29] <jono> can you help me do that?
[21:29] <bkerensa> :)
[21:29] <jono> thanks!
[21:29] <jono> I will blog about it and point people there
[21:29] <bkerensa> ok
[21:29] <jono> I want to start my sessions back up again
[21:29] <bkerensa> Do you know how to use on air?
[21:29] <jono> this seems a good week to do it ;-)
[21:30] <jono> bkerensa, usually someone else invites me to a hangout
[21:30] <bkerensa> ok
[21:30] <bkerensa> I will make sure someone is there to run the account then
[21:30] <bkerensa> jono: your Q+A's are missed
[21:30] <jono> thanks!
[21:43] <bkerensa> speaking of the devil ;)
[21:43]  * bkerensa pats popey
[21:44] <popey> ruh roh
[22:50] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: here I am, was at school
[22:52] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, np
[22:53] <jono> bkerensa emailed you
[22:53] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[22:53] <jono> I would like to do a hangout tomorrow
[22:53] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: will be at school by that time
[23:05] <Sebastian> Hi jono
[23:05] <jono> hi Sebastian
[23:05] <Sebastian> you were recommended by bkerensa concerning some questions about my bachelor thesis
[23:06] <Sebastian> I send you an email a few hours ago! Would it be possible helping we with these questions?
[23:13] <Sebastian> jono: you can reply when you like! I just wanted to know if you are the right person to speak to?
[23:14] <Sebastia> jono: sorry my client crashed :/
[23:14] <jono> Sebastia, I saw your email
[23:14] <jono> will get to it :-)
[23:14] <Sebastia> perfect! Thats all I need to know :)
[23:15] <Sebastia> you are great thank you! The press team probably won't reply in next time so you are my last rescue!!! :)
[23:16] <IdleOne> heh, no pressure :)
[23:16] <Sebastia> no sorry that wasn't my purpose :)
[23:17] <Sebastia> Unfortunately I am under pressure thats why I need to get the infos fast! I know there is always one dying to get stuff done and you can't work on everything parallel! so I really apologize for contacting many of you :)
[23:17] <Sebastia> Damn university stuff is always preasuring ;)
[23:20] <Sebastia> thank you guys for your help I am off for now! talk to you when you have time jono if you like I can phone you or skype you whatever you want! just shot me an email and I will make it possible :) have a great night you all :)
[23:21] <philballew> you as well
[23:21] <Sebastia> thank you :)
[23:21] <Sebastia> bye