[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[06:56] <iulian> Morning dholbach.
[06:58] <dholbach> hey iulian :)
[07:00] <mitya57> good morning dholbach :)
[07:00] <dholbach> hey mitya57
[13:46] <dholbach> I'm doing an ubuntu development hangout in ~15m - would anyone like to co-host it with me? :)
[13:46] <aboudreault> co-host?
[13:47] <aboudreault> ha, you are the host speaking?
[13:47] <aboudreault> (sorry for my english :P)
[13:51] <dholbach> it's a public video stream where I want to talk about ubuntu development - if somebody who is also involved in ubuntu development wanted to be part of the hosts, so talking about ubuntu development, answering questions and the like, that'd be nice
[13:51] <dholbach> if not, I'll present on my own
[13:52] <dholbach> the last few times we had coolbhavi there, but I'm not sure if he can make it today as we moved the hangout an hour forward
[15:38] <tumbleweed> Logan_: the debian bugs you mention in bug 1028761 don't seem to be mentioned in the quoted changelog
[15:38] <tumbleweed> and the debian bugtracker says they were fixed in a different upload
[15:38] <Logan_> oh god I fail
[15:38] <Logan_> one sec
[15:39] <Logan_> also, that sync can't happen yet
[15:39] <Logan_> due to unresolvable dependencies
[15:39] <Logan_> but let me fix the description
[15:39] <tumbleweed> also: They are both about build failures due to test failures
[15:40] <tumbleweed> but the version curretnly in quantal built just fine
[15:40] <tumbleweed> (although I haven't tried rebuilding it)
[15:40] <Logan_> fixed the description
[15:40] <Logan_> hmm
[15:41] <Laney> haha @ -ctte
[15:42] <tumbleweed> lol
[15:46] <tumbleweed> Logan_: and now I have - it builds fine
[15:46] <tumbleweed> so, I'm not saying I'm against a new git-annex, but we need a better reason than "it failed to build in debian, and they fixed it"
[15:46] <Logan_> hmm, okay
[15:47] <Logan_> I mean, there are a bunch of bug fixes as well
[15:47] <Logan_> it isn't just new features
[15:47] <tumbleweed> right, then motivate it with those
[15:47] <Laney> it built!?!?!?
[15:47]  * Laney got:
[15:48] <Laney>  sbuild-build-depends-git-annex-dummy : Depends: libghc-network-multicast-dev but it is not installable
[15:48] <Laney>                                         Depends: libghc-network-info-dev but it is not installable
[15:48] <tumbleweed> Laney: the version currently in quantal
[15:48] <Logan_> tumbleweed is referring to the… yeah
[15:48] <Laney> I thought we were talking about a synx
[15:48] <Laney> c
[15:48] <Laney> sphinx
[15:48] <Logan_> tumbleweed: and I just requested an FFe for libghc-network-multicast-dev :(
[15:48]  * Laney meows
[15:48]  * Logan_ cries
[15:48] <micahg> so, it'll fail in the rebuild in a few days :)
[15:48] <tumbleweed> Logan_: that's what took me here
[15:48] <Logan_> gah
[15:48] <tumbleweed> micahg: no, it builds fine, now
[15:49] <mitya57> tumbleweed: so there was a DMB meeting yesterday? :(
[15:49] <Logan_> well, I unsubscribed sponsors from the git-annex sync
[15:49] <Logan_> and I guess I'll unsubscribe sponsors from the haskell-network-multicast sync as well
[15:49] <Logan_> pending a better reason to sync the new version of git-annex
[15:49] <Logan_> since the current version apparently builds in quantal :P
[15:50]  * Logan_ hates FFe
[15:50] <tumbleweed> it's worth investigating whether debian's rc bugs are relevant to us
[15:50] <Logan_> I usually do
[15:50] <Logan_> slipped my mind with this package
[15:50] <Logan_> even though it's painfully easy to check if it will build
[15:51] <tumbleweed> think of FFes as a necessary evil :)
[15:51] <Logan_> -necessary
[15:51] <Logan_> more like just evil ;P
[15:51] <tumbleweed> if we didn't make it hard, people would upload all sorts of crazy stuff
[15:51] <tumbleweed> (actually, they do, but shh)
[16:34] <jamespage> Laney, stop poking my Debian badness :-)
[16:37] <Laney> happy to be of service!
[16:39] <jamespage> Laney, I even filed the ITP - just got distracted
[16:42]  * highvoltage can't help reading xnox's changelog entries and hearing it in his voice
[16:43] <xnox> highvoltage: ubiquity?
[16:43] <xnox> or code reviews?
[16:43] <highvoltage> ubiquity.
[16:43] <xnox> *sigh*
[16:43] <xnox> it's not that bad, is it?
[16:44] <highvoltage> no it's not bad at all
[16:44] <Laney> aww
[16:44] <Laney> I think he was being nice
[16:44] <highvoltage> your written you and your real-life you is just very consistent and somehow when you say things like "*sigh*" I can already see how you're really doing it in real life already too
[16:45] <highvoltage> (sorry for finding entertainment value in it :p)
[16:46] <xnox> meh
[16:46] <xnox> ;)
[16:47] <xnox> will be doing ubuntu download & installation documentation review on thursday. Should be fun.... =)
[16:47]  * highvoltage should do that too for the updated edubuntu docs
[16:48] <highvoltage> (even though we'll pretty recommend that people stick to 12.04 LTS)
[16:48] <highvoltage> s/pretty/pretty much/g
[16:48] <Laney> :O
[16:50] <highvoltage> Laney: with unity 2d gone ltsp is a bit more problematic on 12.10 and it doesn't bring any killer features so they're mostly really just better off on LTS this time
[16:50] <Laney> I suppose most edubuntu deployments will be LTS anyway
[16:50] <highvoltage> (and Edubuntu 12.04.1 is very solid, really)
[16:50] <highvoltage> yeah. I guess for single-install laptops and home desktops, etc 12.10 would be ok
[16:51] <highvoltage> we should really just start a campaign to get people involved in backporting educational packages in the archives
[16:51] <highvoltage> and package a bunch of stuff that's not available in it, but that should be yet another campaign.
[16:52] <highvoltage> there's just so much to do.
[16:52]  * highvoltage caves a little more
[17:00] <xnox> like mythbuntu?
[17:06] <highvoltage> no like in the utopia that I imagine the world could be.
[17:08] <Laney> I revise my lolling at -ctte down to sighing
[18:14] <jtaylor> meh lost irc and thunderbird in quantal with yesterdays updates ...
[18:15] <Laney> 'lost'?
[18:16] <jtaylor> both apps won't start, smuxi even kills my X :(
[18:16] <Laney> let me guess
[18:16] <Laney> you're updating from proposed
[18:16] <jtaylor> yes, a mistake apparently
[18:16] <Laney> as has been repeatedly advertised
[18:16] <jtaylor> really?
[18:17] <jtaylor> I didn't enable proposed myself
[18:17] <Laney> yeah, requires manual disabling currently
[20:22] <dupondje> Somebody around here that knows alot of GTK+ ?
[20:54] <geser> dupondje: you might have better luck in #ubuntu-desktop (or even better #gtk+ on irc.gnome.org)
[20:55] <dupondje> geser: tried both :) seems quite silent :)
[20:55] <Laney> gtk or gnome-hackers would be much better
[20:56] <Laney> dead or no dead