[09:18] <jibel> Welcome to Ubuntu QA and Testing | http://qa.ubuntu.com/ | Currently testing Quantal Beta2 Candidates | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[10:15] <akhila> hello. testing quantal desktop. After successfully installing it, when I logged in, I could see Amazon icon on the launcher. after i clicked it once, I was properly directed to the Amazon  site but the icon disappeared altogether from the launcher. could that be a bug?
[13:15] <balloons> guten morgen
[13:17] <smartboyhw> balloons, LOL
[13:34] <sagaci> nearly morning here
[13:35] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:35] <smartboyhw> here is 9:35 PM at night
[13:40] <olbi> 15:40 PM here :D
[13:40] <smartboyhw> ;P
[15:21] <balloons> whew.. conversion script is almost ready
[15:39] <xnox> Is mago project still alive?
[15:39] <xnox> and used in ubuntu?
[15:39] <balloons> xnox, to my knowledge no
[15:40] <balloons> ara can likely give the info on it's status
[15:40] <balloons> and history
[15:42] <xnox> balloons: there is some code in ubiquity to run tests under LDTP and possibly mago.... but I have no clue how to run those.
[15:42]  * xnox really really wants gui testing of ubiquity
[15:42] <balloons> ahh.. that's a different story then
[15:42]  * balloons also wants more gui testing
[15:43] <robotfuel> I have some gui tests of ubiquity
[15:43] <robotfuel> I used xpresser to do it
[15:44] <robotfuel> https://launchpad.net/xpresser
[15:44] <robotfuel> If you are interested we hangout in #xpresser
[15:46] <robotfuel> there is a video of xpresser in action here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-xxBBPU9kU
[15:47]  * balloons watching video
[15:47] <balloons> I've messed about with sikuli with ideas likes this
[15:48] <balloons> imho, making hashes of the pixels in the box instead of screenshots would be better
[15:48] <robotfuel> balloons: xpresser is a clean room rewrite of xpresser, it's better because it runs on arm
[15:49] <xnox> robotfuel: ?!
[15:49] <robotfuel> balloons: I mean  xpresser is a clean room rewrite of skiuli
[15:49] <robotfuel> heh
[15:49] <balloons> wow.. wonder how I missed that
[15:49] <robotfuel> sikuli even
[15:52] <xnox> balloons: launch orca & add audio recorder & compare audio record =)
[15:53] <xnox> also recording video of the run would be great to later "view" the failures.
[15:53]  * xnox like
[15:53] <balloons> indeed..
[15:53] <xnox> robotfuel: did you say you had something for ubiquity already?
[15:54] <balloons> this needs to be able to watch for on-screen changes, read pixel colors, and use hashes :-)
[15:54] <robotfuel> xnox: yes, it's for oem-config which is a little different than ubiquity.
[15:54] <xnox> robotfuel: where?
[15:54] <balloons> an automated oem install/
[15:55] <balloons> ?
[15:55] <robotfuel> balloons: yes
[15:55] <xnox> where? where? where? is it in jenkins yet?
[15:58]  * balloons thinks you made xnox REALLY excited..
[15:58] <robotfuel> the code is not public, was for an OEM.   it requires an older version of xpresser because it didn't have special keypress support when I wrote it. I will update it put it on my launchpad page
[15:58] <xnox> fair enough.
[15:59] <robotfuel> xnox: I'll ping you when I upload it
[15:59] <balloons> robotfuel, is there ideas for further features? ala, what I mentioned..
[16:00] <robotfuel> balloons: you can make a blueprint or we can accept a merge request if you have a patch :)
[16:00] <balloons> xnox, for ubiquity, I imagine writing the script to test it would be straightforward.. it's more the infrastructure around running and reporting it I'd guess
[16:01] <xnox> balloons: as long as utah boots ubiquity-cd with the right amount of disks, I can fake the rest of the setup I need on the disks, to exercise ubiquity.
[16:01] <xnox> balloons: and as long as utah will let me reboot the vm, I'm fine.
[16:02] <balloons> xnox, I already have ideas on how I would want to write such tests for long-term maintaince
[16:02] <balloons> anyways.. this is like early xmas.. have to get through the work for this cycle first :-)
[16:03] <xnox> balloons: maybe we should discuss this a bit further =) cause I had some ideas as well.
[16:03] <xnox> balloons: are you at uds-r?
[16:03] <balloons> xnox, yes
[16:03] <robotfuel> I used an upstart job to start my xpresser script that ran through oem-config.
[16:03] <balloons> mm.. your using pyatspi
[16:04] <balloons> robotfuel, ok, so how's performance, given your taking physical screenshots? (I was wondering if you had something special to get x buffer access)
[16:06] <robotfuel> balloons: export DISPLAY=:0
[16:06] <balloons> xnox, yes I think we should discuss @ UDS.. but we could do mockups before that I'm sure
[16:07] <balloons> ohh.. window manipulation is a must as well
[16:09] <jibel> balloons, xnox did you look at https://launchpad.net/autopilot ?
[16:09] <balloons> thanks for sharing robotfuel.. neat stuff
[16:09] <balloons> jibel, yes I also know of autopilot, but I've not seen the latest stuff they have
[16:09] <jibel> for UI testing I think it's a very valid option, not sure how mature glib support is but it's a great tool
[16:10]  * xnox too many frameworks....
[16:10] <jibel> and too few working correctly
[16:11] <balloons> utah needs to bind them all :-)
[16:12] <balloons> anyways, safe to say xnox something will happen with this next cycle
[16:12] <balloons> dholbach is also working with pitti on similar things..
[16:12] <xnox> hmm....
[16:13]  * balloons goes back the conversions
[16:57] <nagappan> xnox, ping ara / davmor2 / jibel to run GUI testing :-)
[18:09] <balloons> whew, ok, I think most of the isotracker testcases are migrated now to the new dt/dd format
[18:10] <balloons> this is an example: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/238/builds/24168/testcases/1301/results. Notice we have bolding and italics now for action, expected result
[18:10] <balloons> let me know if anyone is finding old legacy testcases looking like this: This is a legacy testcase, content is only available here: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases
[18:11] <balloons> plars, jibel ^^
[18:45] <phillw> balloons: did you sort the typo out on
[18:45] <balloons> auto-resieze?
[18:45] <balloons> yea
[18:45] <phillw> balloons: ignore, I hit return instead of delete!
[18:45] <phillw> I've just replied to warren.
[18:46] <phillw> i do think it is corrupt install media.
[18:47] <phillw> looks like a respin for Desktop images is in the works.
[18:57] <ade> Hey all, how's testing going?
[18:59] <balloons> hello adam_g
[18:59] <balloons> bah.. autocomplete
[18:59] <phillw> hiyas ade
[18:59] <balloons> hello ade
[18:59] <phillw> lol.. DYAC :)
[18:59] <ade> Hey, phillw, balloons
[19:07] <ade> phillw: Updated my wiki with some basic info today! Nothing special but it's a start. Many thanks for setting that up for me again :o)
[19:09] <phillw> ade: yvw, with the disapearance of the mentoring system, just ask if you want assistance on anything.
[19:14] <ade> phillw: Cheers phill, that's very much appreciated.
[19:35] <ade> Image almost burnt, then getting stuck into the beta 2 tests. Lot's of activity in the testcases during today which is very good to see!
[19:36] <balloons> :-)
[19:36] <phillw> ade: yeah, balloons has been busy doing the conversions to the new css theme :)
[19:36] <balloons> let me know if you notice anything off on them
[19:37] <ade> balloons: lol, should be ok today as have my testing head on :oP
[19:38] <phillw> balloons: this could be fun, they've put off the desktop respins until tomorrow. Nice to see lots of testing time left for QA :P
[19:45] <ade> Might have found a general bug already... or shall I say it found me! Plugged usb headphones in, switched to profile in sound manager, no sound... then push volume up to 25%, no sound.... push volume over 30%...
[19:45] <ade> ubuntu-bugs bleeding ears
[19:45] <yofel> did someone else notice that when you hover over a bug in some cases not the whole tooltip is visible in the browser window? Happens when I hover over the 'bugs to look for' list. http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/qa_tt.png
[19:46] <balloons> yofel, yes
[19:46] <balloons> actually there is a bug for it
[19:46] <yofel> ok :)
[19:46]  * balloons wonders why we didn't fix that in the lst round of updates
[19:47] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1035503
[19:47] <yofel> feature ;P
[19:48] <balloons> yea, it works for me, but I'm guessing if you have a smaller screen it could get cut off if the width isn't wide enough
[19:49] <yofel> well, happens with firefox maximized to 1600px width here, so can't be that rare
[19:49] <balloons> yofel, lol.. I have 2560 pixels
[19:50] <yofel> ok, I can't keep up with that. Largest that I have here is 1920 ^^
[19:50] <balloons> lololol.. works on my box ;-) not really, yea, but thanks for reporting
[19:50] <balloons> njin!
[19:50] <balloons> the man himself
[20:02] <ade> balloons: New testcases are great and look great too
[20:03] <balloons> glad you like them.. knome and stgraber were a big part.. as was everyone else who helped migrate them :-)
[20:03] <knome> :)
[20:03] <yofel> they do look nice indeed, nice work :)
[20:50] <njin> balloons, hallo, it's too late, see you tomorrow
[20:51] <njin> balloons, can you take a look at the bugs i've reported in the unity track, because I think that as usual ubuntu became unstable around beta2 release and i've got to refresh it '
[20:55] <ade> Is there a way to report a bug during the install process? aka during the unity install process.
[21:00] <ade> Can anyone reproduce this... press space during 'amber screen' > select language > then select 'Install Ubuntu' .... the following screen with select language installation is blank.
[21:00] <ade> *'installation language' even
[21:01] <ade> Oh, on Ubuntu 12.10 lol
[21:05] <balloons> ade, what do you mean?
[21:07] <ade> Am getting a blank ubiquity screen during install... the steps above recreate how I got to it in Ubuntu 12.10
[21:07] <balloons> blank as in completely blank?
[21:08] <balloons> no buttons? no text?
[21:08] <ade> Has the language select list on the left, but the screen on the right is completely blank
[21:08] <balloons> that sounds ok
[21:08] <balloons> you have buttons?
[21:08] <balloons>  suppose a screenshot would help here ;-)
[21:09] <ade> screenshot coming up, 2 mins...
[21:12] <ade> Newbie question... Best way to upload a screenshot??
[21:15] <phillw> ade: I use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[21:15] <phillw> then just pop the link on here :)
[21:17] <ade> phillw: Thanks phill, not advisable to send files through irc then? Rick click on name and 'send a file'
[21:17] <phillw> ade it's easier to just pop them on there, they autodelete after 14 days.
[21:18] <phillw> I don't know if ubuntu have a version of their own outside of the wiki system.
[21:18] <ade> Makes sense, I use pastebin a lot so imagebin makes a lot of sense lol
[21:18] <ade> balloons: http://imagebin.org/229801
[21:19] <balloons> ade, yep, that
[21:20] <balloons> ahh.. I saw you dcc snow
[21:20] <balloons> heh
[21:20] <balloons> i think I auto bounce them
[21:20] <balloons> so ade,that looks correct to me
[21:20] <balloons> if your connected to the inet, you should see a note about the release notes
[21:21] <ade> lol yeah tried. Ok then cool, always good to check first :o)
[21:23] <ade> and yes, release notes text and links display ok with a inet connection
[21:30] <phillw> balloons: can you quickly check if this is a general ubiquity issue "But there is a Ubiquity issue on the 'Preparing to Install Lubuntu Screen' the is plugged to a power source is missing" as per step 3 of http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1301/info
[21:31] <balloons> phillw, ahh
[21:31] <balloons> are you on a laptop?
[21:32] <phillw> I am, but not got a recent image to test. it's come in via L-QA
[21:33] <phillw> I'll pull in the lubuntu 64 bit tonight (it takes ~ 4 hours to grab an image)
[21:33] <ade> Right that's me done for the evening. Managed to break out of the Ubuntu mandatory tests and do a couple (all-be-it, very easy) run-once tests. Thanks for your patience and advice, am starting to get to grips with the basics of QA testing!
[21:34] <balloons> excellent :-)
[21:34] <balloons> phillw, it will only show if the hw it's running on is indeed a laptop
[21:36] <phillw> ade: great news, you will soon get the hang of it!
[21:38] <phillw> balloons: then we need to edit the test case :)
[21:44] <balloons> phillw, be my guest good sir
[21:44] <balloons> you can see the new goodness in there
[21:44] <balloons> :-)
[21:45] <phillw> yeah, I'm on it... just dealing with a wiki-editor job :P
[21:52] <balloons> thx phillw
[22:01]  * phillw keeps fingers crossed :) (22:53:41) XXXXXX: Thanks though! If all goes well I'll never see you again :p
[22:16] <phillw> balloons: edit done
[22:33] <balloons> ty phillw
[22:42] <wxl> am i the only one that finds the live session suggestion to "use and execute the default applications" kind of vague. are we supposed to follow some specific procedure? just open them?
[22:51] <phillw> balloons: hopefully bug 1056473 is a real short lived bug :)
[22:53] <phillw> wxl: the test once cases for lubuntu have not yet been started. they are planned! (Near the bootom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates ) :)
[22:53] <xnox> phillw: how was it tested?
[22:53] <xnox> it will only be visible in the power-source capable systems where we can detect this.
[22:54] <xnox> e.g. real metal laptops, on which laptop-detect worked. Or for example I saw either VMWare or Oracle's virtualbox export laptop-mode/battery levels to the quantal live CD
[22:54] <phillw> xnox: I have asked the OP to confirm if it was a desktop or laptop he was installing on. from my chat with balloons it would seem likely it was a desktop, in which case it was the test case that had the error.
[22:55] <xnox> phillw: ok, let me peak at the logs.
[22:55] <phillw> hence my comments on the bug.
[22:55] <wxl> phillw: sooooooooo this isn't just generic for everything? i'm still confused about these new testcases. i guess i'll open every app
[22:55] <balloons> wxl, the live session tests are really bad :-)
[22:55] <wxl> balloons: so maybe i'll just do nothing XO
[22:56] <phillw> wxl: when you have time, you will be taking the time to write test cases for lubuntu specific apps :D
[22:56] <balloons> I gutted them mostly while converting to css and left basically a call to test
[22:56] <wxl> omg thx phillw
[22:56] <balloons> if you boot the live session now, the understanding is to play around and smoke test
[22:56] <wxl> i have no clue how to test ibus, just for the record
[22:57] <phillw> wxl: that is why I have pencilled in 13.04 for ours!
[22:57] <wxl> ok system profiler is funky. seems to work but lots of empty dialogs
[22:57] <phillw> not a snow-flake in hells chance of getting them done for 12.10 :)
[22:58] <wxl> np np
[22:58] <wxl> however it was you that got me all excited about the new tracker ad test cases phillw XD
[22:59] <phillw> wxl: yes, we have a new system that can be updated and accepts user contributions. This is a major change to how things work!
[22:59] <phillw> which reminds me, I have to update the instructions..... drat :P
[23:02] <phillw> ahh well, 3 hours still remaining to grab the 64 bit lubuntu alternate iso. It's midnight here.... sounds like a good time to go to bed :)
[23:03] <phillw> catch you all later!
[23:03] <wxl> l8s
[23:06] <phillw> balloons: can you check with riddel / scott to see if they're happy to use the alternate iso test cases for kubuntu. They are distro agnostic, so there shouldn't be a problem but I'd prefer one of them gave the okay.
[23:06] <phillw> and now... for bed :D