| brousch | Atwater Decadent Dark Chocolate Ale FTW | 00:53 |
|---|---|---|
| brousch | It smells like hot chocolate | 00:54 |
| snap-l | Had a Double Cream Porter at the Royal Oak Brewery. | 01:23 |
| brousch | I had a Dark Horse Too Cream Stout. It was gross | 01:30 |
| brousch | geekers https://bitbucket.org/pygame/pygame/issue/140/pip-install-pygame-fails-on-ubuntu-1204 | 02:27 |
| snap-l | brousch: I have never used pygame in virtualenv. I use the packages. | 02:39 |
| brousch | snap-l: barbaric | 10:23 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 11:09 |
| rick_h_ | party | 11:09 |
| rick_h_ | lmao http://goo.gl/RJrci | 12:45 |
| rick_h_ | anyone have an S3? I want to test something out :P | 12:45 |
| brousch | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1055766 | 12:48 |
| rick_h_ | no one uses gnome terminal :P | 12:51 |
| rick_h_ | man, can we please send this bug submitter to a conference I'm also at? grrrr people | 12:52 |
| brousch | So you can hug him and buy him a beer? | 12:52 |
| rick_h_ | oh yea...definitely | 12:53 |
| dzho | I love that bug. | 13:03 |
| dzho | I should submit an "affects me too" | 13:03 |
| dzho | rick_h_: which conference? | 13:03 |
| dzho | anyone hitting olf later this week, for instance? | 13:03 |
| rick_h_ | dzho: just talking smack | 13:04 |
| rick_h_ | not making OLF this year but some people are | 13:04 |
| dzho | oh, darn. I was hoping for the beer part of that, at least. | 13:04 |
| dzho | ;-) | 13:04 |
| snap-l | I'm attending OLF | 13:06 |
| dzho | cool. | 13:06 |
| dzho | I think I met you and rick_h_ last year. | 13:06 |
| dzho | this way, maybe I'll be able to learn which nick goes with whom. | 13:06 |
| brousch | snap-l has hair on his head. rick_h_ has hair on his face | 13:07 |
| rick_h_ | yea, snap-l and I ran a Lococast booth last year | 13:07 |
| rick_h_ | and had some michigan loco stuff | 13:08 |
| snap-l | dzho: Beware my natural tendencies to screw with people. | 13:08 |
| snap-l | brousch: not for long | 13:08 |
| snap-l | If i have hair on my face, it's because the stuff on top jumped ship | 13:08 |
| dzho | snap-l: this is IRC, isn't it? I think that kind of caution is pretty much default setting. | 13:09 |
| snap-l | heh | 13:10 |
| dzho | but, still, confirmation is always nice, thanks! | 13:11 |
| rick_h_ | blackberry fun http://www.androidcentral.com/can-t-believe-all-your-former-blackberry-users-left-behind | 16:49 |
| rick_h_ | took a little break from work to do a nice music video for their devs, how sweet | 16:50 |
| greg-g | I kind of find that gnome-terminal bug funny :) | 16:58 |
| greg-g | even sabdfl had a sense of humor about it | 16:59 |
| brousch | ohmy http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/25/google_maps_on_ios6/ | 17:00 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: btw, was that your first LP blog post? | 17:05 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: yea, I think so | 17:05 |
| rick_h_ | what's cool is that it was my project I picked to do/start on back in Jan after I'd been there all of 2 months. | 17:05 |
| rick_h_ | so kind of my baby | 17:05 |
| greg-g | awesome, well done sir | 17:05 |
| rick_h_ | well hopefully there's some more snap for some of you guys | 17:06 |
| rick_h_ | not going to change the world, but should be slightly noticable | 17:06 |
| snap-l | brousch: That's a non-story re: Google iOS maps | 17:07 |
| * greg-g doesn't do much LP stuff anymore | 17:07 | |
| greg-g | my days of bug triaging are effectively over | 17:07 |
| snap-l | They didn't say they wouldn't, they said they have no plans | 17:07 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: yea, most don't | 17:07 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Yeah, lst jam I spent the hours on askubuntu | 17:07 |
| brousch | snap-l: But I see so many Apple fanboys saying Google will rescue them from ios6 maps misery | 17:08 |
| snap-l | Nice: got a mail from Pandora re: backing the Internet Radio Fairness act | 17:08 |
| brousch | This is saying they have no plans to do so | 17:08 |
| snap-l | brousch: No, it's someone asking an exec a question that he likely wasn't ready for, or didn't want to tip his hand | 17:09 |
| greg-g | uh, he was ready for it, you know that for sure | 17:09 |
| snap-l | saying "We have no plans" is like a reflex action for CEOs | 17:09 |
| greg-g | he's been thinking about how to answer that question since iOS6 came out | 17:09 |
| snap-l | That's their "Uh" | 17:09 |
| greg-g | no, it is "you guys made the wrong choice going with apple" | 17:10 |
| rick_h_ | I'm so sick of apple and their fans. Even my boss was going "how does google get open credit?" crap today | 17:10 |
| greg-g | who's your boss? :) | 17:10 |
| greg-g | 17:10 | |
| brousch | open credit? | 17:10 |
| snap-l | Even so, Apple has been pretty clear about making competing apps being a big no-no in their app store | 17:11 |
| rick_h_ | https://twitter.com/deryckh | 17:11 |
| rick_h_ | well we debated what counts as 'open' a little bit | 17:11 |
| rick_h_ | there's levels to it for sure | 17:11 |
| snap-l | yeah, I loved discussing open APIs as a replacement for OSS with some developers | 17:12 |
| rick_h_ | and I won't say android is OSS since it's closed door dev'd and then opened | 17:12 |
| snap-l | it was like trying to debate the merits of chocolate over the merits of canned peas. | 17:12 |
| snap-l | In the end, nobody was convinced. | 17:13 |
| rick_h_ | it's turned into religion and politics | 17:13 |
| rick_h_ | I've never had a discussion and had someone walk away with their mind changed | 17:13 |
| snap-l | The biggest problem is arguing pragmatism with idealism. | 17:13 |
| rick_h_ | even with languages you can discuss and walk away with new ideas/thoughts about languages/uses | 17:14 |
| snap-l | pragmatically, you can get things done quite efficiently with Apple hardware | 17:14 |
| snap-l | but from a FOSS idealistic perspective, you may as well be bathing in baby blood if you even think lustfully over an Apple product. | 17:14 |
| snap-l | Also, fuck the Football talk | 17:16 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 17:16 |
| snap-l | Seriously, if the NFL suddenly up and vanished into thin air, I'd be hard pressed to notice | 17:17 |
| snap-l | And quite convinced I wouldn't care. | 17:18 |
| jrwren | OSS has always been about religeon and politics. stallman says atheism and communism respectively. | 17:18 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but I don't think the phone wars is OSS or not | 17:19 |
| rick_h_ | I think it's much more the old MS vs Apple, choice vs one true path | 17:19 |
| dzho | free licensing has almost always been about pragmatism to me | 17:19 |
| brousch | I posted this to my friend who spammed my twitter and FB feeds with football crap last night http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/127663 | 17:19 |
| dzho | I *hate* licensing paperwork | 17:19 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: The phone wars are somewhat driven by licensing | 17:20 |
| * greg-g ignores the convo for a bit ;) | 17:20 | |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: 'somewhat' | 17:20 |
| brousch | dzho++ | 17:20 |
| dzho | I just switched a bunch of macs from osx to windows in large part because windows will sell us licenses for a currently-supported version of their OS that runs on that hardware, that *Apple* hardware, and Apple won't. | 17:20 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Calling you out on purpose. ;) | 17:20 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: it's also that I can choose to have a 3.5", 4", 5" phone. Or run amazon or google on it. Or get one that's locked or an unlocked dev phone. | 17:20 |
| dzho | the other part is that we have to run some instrumentation software that runs only on one or the other. | 17:21 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Yeah, that's the main thing about Android: the abundance of choice | 17:21 |
| jrwren | i liked this one on google being "open" http://daringfireball.net/2011/08/google_patently_absurd | 17:21 |
| dzho | otherwise, of course, I think I could make a good case at this point for Ubuntu | 17:21 |
| dzho | Android is sort of quasi-free | 17:21 |
| * greg-g plugs his ears "la la la la la la" | 17:21 | |
| greg-g | :P | 17:21 |
| dzho | it has free stuff in it, but the whole bit of it isn't. | 17:21 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: right, which is why I don't think the debate is on that level | 17:22 |
| rick_h_ | but if you put the two side by side and ask why one gets more 'open' credit than the other...there's a lot of other stuff to choose from that feed the feeling 'open' | 17:22 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Honestly, I don't blame any company for their patent actions. It's gotten to the point where purchasing patents are all about firepower. | 17:23 |
| rick_h_ | choice itself makes it feel more open | 17:23 |
| dzho | speaking of choice on Android devices, I'd like to see this running with full hardware support: http://9fans.net/archive/2011/09/308 | 17:23 |
| snap-l | though I have serious dislike for Apple's suit against Samsung | 17:23 |
| snap-l | because it's all of the look and feel bullshit that was trounced in the 1990s | 17:23 |
| dzho | "Never love a company, because a company can't love you back" | 17:24 |
| jrwren | dzho: that looks interesting. i want to see similar with mono :) | 17:24 |
| jrwren | what is teh UI like if there is no java/dalvik layer? | 17:24 |
| dzho | Inferno is basically Plan 9, I think. | 17:24 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Probably like a single screenbuffer | 17:25 |
| dzho | > Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, | 17:25 |
| dzho | Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a | 17:25 |
| dzho | one-button mouse. | 17:25 |
| snap-l | s/screen/frame/ | 17:25 |
| jrwren | ah, i want more than that :) | 17:26 |
| jrwren | but that is academically cool | 17:26 |
| * dzho nods | 17:26 | |
| dzho | yeah, that's about the level of it | 17:27 |
| dzho | proof-of-concept | 17:27 |
| snap-l | jrwren: it'll run DOSBox like a bat out of hell | 17:27 |
| snap-l | then you can get that pocket DOS machine you've dreamed of for YEARS. | 17:27 |
| jrwren | something tells me xterm makes a shitty phone | 17:27 |
| dzho | I love osso-xterm under Maemo on my n900 | 17:27 |
| snap-l | jrwren: ssh in an Android app tells me XTerms without keyboards are a shitty idea | 17:28 |
| dzho | it's a crap phone, but a wonderful miniature Debian box. | 17:28 |
| * snap-l had the 770. | 17:28 | |
| dzho | with Hacker Keyboard on a 7" tablet, ssh is almost useable | 17:28 |
| snap-l | It was way ahead of it's time | 17:28 |
| snap-l | and by way ahead, I mean it was pretty shit. | 17:28 |
| dzho | haha | 17:29 |
| dzho | I bet it had rounded corners, even then. | 17:29 |
| snap-l | Yeah, funny enough, had Apple put a DPad on the iPhone, Nokia could have made a case. | 17:29 |
| snap-l | (for design infringement) | 17:29 |
| dzho | mmm. | 17:29 |
| dzho | I'd say gameboys et al constitute prior art there | 17:30 |
| greg-g | to change the subject, this bug just went across my email: " Gwibber don't work in 12.04 (I see only grey screen) | 17:30 |
| snap-l | Thankfully that bridge never got crossed. | 17:30 |
| greg-g | bug 1030904 | 17:30 |
| snap-l | I'm not using Gwibber nearly as much ever since they started loading the whole damn timeline into memory | 17:30 |
| snap-l | It scrolls for shit, and is pretty much unusable on my desktop machine | 17:31 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Question: Which programming languages should I know to get an internship or job at a top-notch company like Google, Facebook, | 17:31 |
| snap-l | +Apple, etc.? | 17:31 |
| snap-l | (from Quora digest) | 17:32 |
| snap-l | proving there is such a thing as a stupid question | 17:32 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: lol | 17:44 |
| rick_h_ | <3 alex https://twitter.com/alex_gaynor/status/250650329899753472 | 17:46 |
| brousch | So why don't you marry him? You can be humorless together for ever | 17:46 |
| rick_h_ | ok, seriously? I mean f*@$#@ seriously? http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/25/for-microsoft-googles-robohornet-browser-benchmark-isnt-real-world-enough-launches-its-own-version/ | 17:47 |
| rick_h_ | so rather than say...submit a patch to the 'alpha' tool you just add "Pro" to the end and do your own thing. DIE IE DIE | 17:48 |
| snap-l | Control the message | 17:57 |
| snap-l | That's the Microsoft way | 17:57 |
| rick_h_ | I mean it's on github, in alpha, and pull requests welcome. So they add "Pro" to the end...of course! | 17:57 |
| rick_h_ | and it completes in 6s in chrome while the non-pro thing runs tests for minutes | 17:58 |
| snap-l | It's like the guy that took a hex editor and started marketing SY-DOS (instead of MS-DOS) | 17:58 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: So clearly it's a more optimized benchmark. ;) | 17:59 |
| snap-l | most people only use the web for short bursts anyway. | 17:59 |
| snap-l | (roll with that as you see fit) | 17:59 |
| * rick_h_ just jumps out the window. The internet stupid is too high today | 17:59 | |
| snap-l | Oh c'mon. It's a great day for the Internet | 18:00 |
| snap-l | NFL Sub Refs, Twitter replacing followers with Klout?, Robohornet Pro, What should I do with my life so I can work for Facebook / Google / Apple? | 18:00 |
| rick_h_ | don't forget that grep fails to search amazon | 18:01 |
| snap-l | Not just amazon, but the whole universe. | 18:01 |
| brousch | I just made a West MI Dutchman cry | 18:05 |
| brousch | He showed me his shiny iPhone5 and I showed him my bigger, faster, cheaper Android | 18:05 |
| jrwren | so what is the story about ads? | 18:05 |
| jrwren | oh, the ads lens. | 18:07 |
| jrwren | maybe a duckduckgo lens there too so that search is search, local or web. | 18:08 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: so see https://twitter.com/alex_gaynor/status/250650329899753472 | 18:08 |
| rick_h_ | for the lovely community response to the lense hitting amazon by default | 18:08 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: going to email this to my wife http://blog.appfog.com/could-portland-be-the-best-city-in-the-country-for-developers-right-now/ :P | 18:08 |
| jcastro_ | jrwren, there's going to be a toggle to turn it on and off | 18:10 |
| jcastro_ | and it's not ads really | 18:10 |
| jcastro_ | it's just amazon results in your dash | 18:10 |
| jcastro_ | so if you search for "megadeth" it shows you CDs, DVDs and whatnot | 18:10 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: You just put in new floors. ;) | 18:20 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: *sigh* true | 18:21 |
| snap-l | "Okay, so I’m biased. I’m a native Portlander and I love living here. I’m Portland’s staunchest defender and was so way before Portland was considered cool." | 18:21 |
| snap-l | Oh come on | 18:21 |
| snap-l | "But what makes it even better is that it acts as the de facto hub of the Portland tech scene. Whenever I go there, it feels like a scene from Cheers." | 18:22 |
| snap-l | Not exactly the kind of aspirational thing I'd expect from a bar. | 18:23 |
| snap-l | The weather. This is a source of almost endless complaint, but if you ask AppFog founder and CEO Lucas Carlson, having 8-9 months a year of crummy weather offers a hidden productivity boost: “The great thing about Portland is that it’s rainy 9 months out of the year. I’m more productive here than I am anywhere else.” As a native, I couldn’t agree more. | 18:23 |
| rick_h_ | lol, that's the part I was waiting for you to hit | 18:24 |
| snap-l | OK, the church of elvis might sell me. | 18:24 |
| rick_h_ | "it's not a bug, it's a feature" | 18:24 |
| snap-l | 24 hours | 18:24 |
| jcastro_ | the beer in portland | 18:26 |
| jcastro_ | period. | 18:26 |
| snap-l | Well, that sinks it then. Their beer has periods | 18:27 |
| snap-l | or do they have period beer, as in I'd like a Renaissance Porter? | 18:28 |
| snap-l | and it's served by a jolly looking chap with a bad English accent? | 18:28 |
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| jrwren | no way is their beer as good as MI beer :) | 18:37 |
| snap-l | beer smackdown in t-minus... | 18:39 |
| rick_h_ | ok, so this is about the coolest thing ever http://paste.mitechie.com/show/ueNU9dCI8MZEmDpc2OFM/ | 18:46 |
| brousch | Is it a patch to make grep search Amazon? | 18:48 |
| rick_h_ | lol, almost :P | 18:48 |
| brousch | hah, that is cool | 18:48 |
| brousch | Other than the MSU part | 18:48 |
| rick_h_ | my wife went to med school at MSU so I have to forgive it for existing | 18:49 |
| brousch | I thought that was only for vets | 18:50 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: That's awesome. | 18:50 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: no, they've got a pretty high up there vet program, but they also have a medical school | 18:51 |
| rick_h_ | ok, today is trying to get some awesome to it https://twitter.com/nchan/status/250662314607538176 wow | 18:53 |
| rick_h_ | I want to go drive wherever that it at and see it in person | 18:54 |
| brousch | Germany | 19:00 |
| brousch | http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=126969 | 19:00 |
| brousch | Why did a German create an american aircraft carrier? I have not a clue | 19:00 |
| rick_h_ | because they learned that carriers + planes > u-boats? | 19:02 |
| brousch | There's a Legoland in Chicago that's supposed to be good | 19:03 |
| brousch | $2 off discount code for LEGO Kidsfest in Novi Oct 12-14 (GRK12) | 19:40 |
| greg-g | snap-l: can I troll you for just a second? | 20:21 |
| greg-g | ;) | 20:21 |
| greg-g | http://identi.ca/conversation/96184387 | 20:21 |
| greg-g | (not sure if you follow @mlinksva or not) | 20:22 |
| snap-l | Yeah, and Michał Andrzej Woźniak tried trolling me too | 20:23 |
| greg-g | :) | 20:23 |
| greg-g | sorry, just wanted to point you toward it. Though, retrospectively, I realize it is unneeded and potentially only blood pressure rising. | 20:24 |
| snap-l | No worries | 20:25 |
| snap-l | They're in love with the medium, not the message | 20:26 |
| snap-l | And that's fine. | 20:26 |
| greg-g | That's unfair. | 20:29 |
| snap-l | my "Communication without an audience is meaningless." quote was probably too broad. Should have been "communication without recipients is meaningless", but whatever. Point is, no matter how awesomely a tree falls, if nobody hears it, it doesn't matter. | 20:30 |
| snap-l | (in the context of social media) | 20:30 |
| greg-g | good thing identi.ca isn't empty, then ;) | 20:30 |
| greg-g | and, since I'm not going for ad-clicks.... ;) | 20:30 |
| snap-l | Well, it's also why people have left identi.ca: they didn't like the audience | 20:30 |
| greg-g | sure, it has some specific communities in it, tightly bound | 20:31 |
| snap-l | It has a pretty high crank ratio | 20:31 |
| snap-l | (of which I include myself in that category) | 20:31 |
| greg-g | bah, I never see it | 20:31 |
| greg-g | (other than you, of course ;) ) | 20:32 |
| greg-g | I've determined that groups make sense in the huge internal corporate network use case, but not on identi.ca | 20:32 |
| snap-l | Groups were poorly though out tags | 20:32 |
| greg-g | (and even that use case is up for debate, just because I haven't tested it) | 20:32 |
| greg-g | CC's 'internal' status.net is quite small (we're quite small) | 20:33 |
| snap-l | It's nice to be able to subscribe to a particular group (tag) | 20:33 |
| snap-l | but the usage became synonymous with tags | 20:33 |
| snap-l | !ubuntu !debian !metal !alpacafuckers | 20:34 |
| greg-g | yeah | 20:35 |
| * greg-g will brb | 20:35 | |
| * ColonelPanic001 notes greg-g's tweet about foreign cars | 20:44 | |
| ColonelPanic001 | Ohio-made Civic here. | 20:44 |
| ColonelPanic001 | last car was a Cavalier, many of which (though not mine) were made in Mexico | 20:44 |
| greg-g | ColonelPanic001: haha, glad someone was paying attention | 20:46 |
| greg-g | his private response: "I know, I almost defined that, but was lazy. And I agree. But this parking lot was mostly Fords. So, American-owned brands. " my reply "I give no fuck about who owns the trademark. I care about real jobs. Apparently, Ford drivers are just like Apple users (zing!). " | 20:47 |
| ColonelPanic001 | haha | 20:47 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I sort of wish my Chevy had been made in Mexico, just so it'd be a better example. heh | 20:47 |
| greg-g | :) | 20:47 |
| ColonelPanic001 | but alas. Stupid american factories, making my cars | 20:47 |
| greg-g | yeah, my Ford Ranger was made in St. Paul ;) | 20:47 |
| ColonelPanic001 | is the Expedition they make out by Toronto area? | 20:48 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I know they've got a Ford plant or two out there, can't remember for what | 20:48 |
| greg-g | before The Great Deer Collision of 2007 | 20:48 |
| ColonelPanic001 | hm. maybe it's GM? Now I can't remember. I know they make cars out there, damnit | 20:49 |
| brousch | I got into the cheaper-than-S3 Dreamhost storage beta | 23:42 |
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