[00:53] Atwater Decadent Dark Chocolate Ale FTW [00:54] It smells like hot chocolate [01:23] Had a Double Cream Porter at the Royal Oak Brewery. [01:30] I had a Dark Horse Too Cream Stout. It was gross [02:27] geekers https://bitbucket.org/pygame/pygame/issue/140/pip-install-pygame-fails-on-ubuntu-1204 [02:39] brousch: I have never used pygame in virtualenv. I use the packages. [10:23] snap-l: barbaric [11:09] Good morning [11:09] party [12:45] lmao http://goo.gl/RJrci [12:45] anyone have an S3? I want to test something out :P [12:48] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1055766 [12:51] no one uses gnome terminal :P [12:52] man, can we please send this bug submitter to a conference I'm also at? grrrr people [12:52] So you can hug him and buy him a beer? [12:53] oh yea...definitely [13:03] I love that bug. [13:03] I should submit an "affects me too" [13:03] rick_h_: which conference? [13:03] anyone hitting olf later this week, for instance? [13:04] dzho: just talking smack [13:04] not making OLF this year but some people are [13:04] oh, darn. I was hoping for the beer part of that, at least. [13:04] ;-) [13:06] I'm attending OLF [13:06] cool. [13:06] I think I met you and rick_h_ last year. [13:06] this way, maybe I'll be able to learn which nick goes with whom. [13:07] snap-l has hair on his head. rick_h_ has hair on his face [13:07] yea, snap-l and I ran a Lococast booth last year [13:08] and had some michigan loco stuff [13:08] dzho: Beware my natural tendencies to screw with people. [13:08] brousch: not for long [13:08] If i have hair on my face, it's because the stuff on top jumped ship [13:09] snap-l: this is IRC, isn't it? I think that kind of caution is pretty much default setting. [13:10] heh [13:11] but, still, confirmation is always nice, thanks! [16:49] blackberry fun http://www.androidcentral.com/can-t-believe-all-your-former-blackberry-users-left-behind [16:50] took a little break from work to do a nice music video for their devs, how sweet [16:58] I kind of find that gnome-terminal bug funny :) [16:59] even sabdfl had a sense of humor about it [17:00] ohmy http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/25/google_maps_on_ios6/ [17:05] rick_h_: btw, was that your first LP blog post? [17:05] greg-g: yea, I think so [17:05] what's cool is that it was my project I picked to do/start on back in Jan after I'd been there all of 2 months. [17:05] so kind of my baby [17:05] awesome, well done sir [17:06] well hopefully there's some more snap for some of you guys [17:06] not going to change the world, but should be slightly noticable [17:07] brousch: That's a non-story re: Google iOS maps [17:07] * greg-g doesn't do much LP stuff anymore [17:07] my days of bug triaging are effectively over [17:07] They didn't say they wouldn't, they said they have no plans [17:07] greg-g: yea, most don't [17:07] greg-g: Yeah, lst jam I spent the hours on askubuntu [17:08] snap-l: But I see so many Apple fanboys saying Google will rescue them from ios6 maps misery [17:08] Nice: got a mail from Pandora re: backing the Internet Radio Fairness act [17:08] This is saying they have no plans to do so [17:09] brousch: No, it's someone asking an exec a question that he likely wasn't ready for, or didn't want to tip his hand [17:09] uh, he was ready for it, you know that for sure [17:09] saying "We have no plans" is like a reflex action for CEOs [17:09] he's been thinking about how to answer that question since iOS6 came out [17:09] That's their "Uh" [17:10] no, it is "you guys made the wrong choice going with apple" [17:10] I'm so sick of apple and their fans. Even my boss was going "how does google get open credit?" crap today [17:10] who's your boss? :) [17:10] [17:10] open credit? [17:11] Even so, Apple has been pretty clear about making competing apps being a big no-no in their app store [17:11] https://twitter.com/deryckh [17:11] well we debated what counts as 'open' a little bit [17:11] there's levels to it for sure [17:12] yeah, I loved discussing open APIs as a replacement for OSS with some developers [17:12] and I won't say android is OSS since it's closed door dev'd and then opened [17:12] it was like trying to debate the merits of chocolate over the merits of canned peas. [17:13] In the end, nobody was convinced. [17:13] it's turned into religion and politics [17:13] I've never had a discussion and had someone walk away with their mind changed [17:13] The biggest problem is arguing pragmatism with idealism. [17:14] even with languages you can discuss and walk away with new ideas/thoughts about languages/uses [17:14] pragmatically, you can get things done quite efficiently with Apple hardware [17:14] but from a FOSS idealistic perspective, you may as well be bathing in baby blood if you even think lustfully over an Apple product. [17:16] Also, fuck the Football talk [17:16] lol [17:17] Seriously, if the NFL suddenly up and vanished into thin air, I'd be hard pressed to notice [17:18] And quite convinced I wouldn't care. [17:18] OSS has always been about religeon and politics. stallman says atheism and communism respectively. [17:19] yea, but I don't think the phone wars is OSS or not [17:19] I think it's much more the old MS vs Apple, choice vs one true path [17:19] free licensing has almost always been about pragmatism to me [17:19] I posted this to my friend who spammed my twitter and FB feeds with football crap last night http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/127663 [17:19] I *hate* licensing paperwork [17:20] rick_h_: The phone wars are somewhat driven by licensing [17:20] * greg-g ignores the convo for a bit ;) [17:20] snap-l: 'somewhat' [17:20] dzho++ [17:20] I just switched a bunch of macs from osx to windows in large part because windows will sell us licenses for a currently-supported version of their OS that runs on that hardware, that *Apple* hardware, and Apple won't. [17:20] greg-g: Calling you out on purpose. ;) [17:20] snap-l: it's also that I can choose to have a 3.5", 4", 5" phone. Or run amazon or google on it. Or get one that's locked or an unlocked dev phone. [17:21] the other part is that we have to run some instrumentation software that runs only on one or the other. [17:21] rick_h_: Yeah, that's the main thing about Android: the abundance of choice [17:21] i liked this one on google being "open" http://daringfireball.net/2011/08/google_patently_absurd [17:21] otherwise, of course, I think I could make a good case at this point for Ubuntu [17:21] Android is sort of quasi-free [17:21] * greg-g plugs his ears "la la la la la la" [17:21] :P [17:21] it has free stuff in it, but the whole bit of it isn't. [17:22] jrwren: right, which is why I don't think the debate is on that level [17:22] but if you put the two side by side and ask why one gets more 'open' credit than the other...there's a lot of other stuff to choose from that feed the feeling 'open' [17:23] jrwren: Honestly, I don't blame any company for their patent actions. It's gotten to the point where purchasing patents are all about firepower. [17:23] choice itself makes it feel more open [17:23] speaking of choice on Android devices, I'd like to see this running with full hardware support: http://9fans.net/archive/2011/09/308 [17:23] though I have serious dislike for Apple's suit against Samsung [17:23] because it's all of the look and feel bullshit that was trounced in the 1990s [17:24] "Never love a company, because a company can't love you back" [17:24] dzho: that looks interesting. i want to see similar with mono :) [17:24] what is teh UI like if there is no java/dalvik layer? [17:24] Inferno is basically Plan 9, I think. [17:25] jrwren: Probably like a single screenbuffer [17:25] > Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks, [17:25] Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a [17:25] one-button mouse. [17:25] s/screen/frame/ [17:26] ah, i want more than that :) [17:26] but that is academically cool [17:26] * dzho nods [17:27] yeah, that's about the level of it [17:27] proof-of-concept [17:27] jrwren: it'll run DOSBox like a bat out of hell [17:27] then you can get that pocket DOS machine you've dreamed of for YEARS. [17:27] something tells me xterm makes a shitty phone [17:27] I love osso-xterm under Maemo on my n900 [17:28] jrwren: ssh in an Android app tells me XTerms without keyboards are a shitty idea [17:28] it's a crap phone, but a wonderful miniature Debian box. [17:28] * snap-l had the 770. [17:28] with Hacker Keyboard on a 7" tablet, ssh is almost useable [17:28] It was way ahead of it's time [17:28] and by way ahead, I mean it was pretty shit. [17:29] haha [17:29] I bet it had rounded corners, even then. [17:29] Yeah, funny enough, had Apple put a DPad on the iPhone, Nokia could have made a case. [17:29] (for design infringement) [17:29] mmm. [17:30] I'd say gameboys et al constitute prior art there [17:30] to change the subject, this bug just went across my email: " Gwibber don't work in 12.04 (I see only grey screen) [17:30] Thankfully that bridge never got crossed. [17:30] bug 1030904 [17:30] I'm not using Gwibber nearly as much ever since they started loading the whole damn timeline into memory [17:31] It scrolls for shit, and is pretty much unusable on my desktop machine [17:31] rick_h_: Question: Which programming languages should I know to get an internship or job at a top-notch company like Google, Facebook, [17:31] +Apple, etc.? [17:32] (from Quora digest) [17:32] proving there is such a thing as a stupid question [17:44] snap-l: lol [17:46] <3 alex https://twitter.com/alex_gaynor/status/250650329899753472 [17:46] So why don't you marry him? You can be humorless together for ever [17:47] ok, seriously? I mean f*@$#@ seriously? http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/25/for-microsoft-googles-robohornet-browser-benchmark-isnt-real-world-enough-launches-its-own-version/ [17:48] so rather than say...submit a patch to the 'alpha' tool you just add "Pro" to the end and do your own thing. DIE IE DIE [17:57] Control the message [17:57] That's the Microsoft way [17:57] I mean it's on github, in alpha, and pull requests welcome. So they add "Pro" to the end...of course! [17:58] and it completes in 6s in chrome while the non-pro thing runs tests for minutes [17:58] It's like the guy that took a hex editor and started marketing SY-DOS (instead of MS-DOS) [17:59] rick_h_: So clearly it's a more optimized benchmark. ;) [17:59] most people only use the web for short bursts anyway. [17:59] (roll with that as you see fit) [17:59] * rick_h_ just jumps out the window. The internet stupid is too high today [18:00] Oh c'mon. It's a great day for the Internet [18:00] NFL Sub Refs, Twitter replacing followers with Klout?, Robohornet Pro, What should I do with my life so I can work for Facebook / Google / Apple? [18:01] don't forget that grep fails to search amazon [18:01] Not just amazon, but the whole universe. [18:05] I just made a West MI Dutchman cry [18:05] He showed me his shiny iPhone5 and I showed him my bigger, faster, cheaper Android [18:05] so what is the story about ads? [18:07] oh, the ads lens. [18:08] maybe a duckduckgo lens there too so that search is search, local or web. [18:08] jrwren: so see https://twitter.com/alex_gaynor/status/250650329899753472 [18:08] for the lovely community response to the lense hitting amazon by default [18:08] snap-l: going to email this to my wife http://blog.appfog.com/could-portland-be-the-best-city-in-the-country-for-developers-right-now/ :P [18:10] jrwren, there's going to be a toggle to turn it on and off [18:10] and it's not ads really [18:10] it's just amazon results in your dash [18:10] so if you search for "megadeth" it shows you CDs, DVDs and whatnot [18:20] rick_h_: You just put in new floors. ;) [18:21] snap-l: *sigh* true [18:21] "Okay, so I’m biased. I’m a native Portlander and I love living here. I’m Portland’s staunchest defender and was so way before Portland was considered cool." [18:21] Oh come on [18:22] "But what makes it even better is that it acts as the de facto hub of the Portland tech scene. Whenever I go there, it feels like a scene from Cheers." [18:23] Not exactly the kind of aspirational thing I'd expect from a bar. [18:23] The weather. This is a source of almost endless complaint, but if you ask AppFog founder and CEO Lucas Carlson, having 8-9 months a year of crummy weather offers a hidden productivity boost: “The great thing about Portland is that it’s rainy 9 months out of the year. I’m more productive here than I am anywhere else.” As a native, I couldn’t agree more. [18:24] lol, that's the part I was waiting for you to hit [18:24] OK, the church of elvis might sell me. [18:24] "it's not a bug, it's a feature" [18:24] 24 hours [18:26] the beer in portland [18:26] period. [18:27] Well, that sinks it then. Their beer has periods [18:28] or do they have period beer, as in I'd like a Renaissance Porter? [18:28] and it's served by a jolly looking chap with a bad English accent? === _stink__ is now known as _stink_ [18:37] no way is their beer as good as MI beer :) [18:39] beer smackdown in t-minus... [18:46] ok, so this is about the coolest thing ever http://paste.mitechie.com/show/ueNU9dCI8MZEmDpc2OFM/ [18:48] Is it a patch to make grep search Amazon? [18:48] lol, almost :P [18:48] hah, that is cool [18:48] Other than the MSU part [18:49] my wife went to med school at MSU so I have to forgive it for existing [18:50] I thought that was only for vets [18:50] rick_h_: That's awesome. [18:51] brousch: no, they've got a pretty high up there vet program, but they also have a medical school [18:53] ok, today is trying to get some awesome to it https://twitter.com/nchan/status/250662314607538176 wow [18:54] I want to go drive wherever that it at and see it in person [19:00] Germany [19:00] http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=126969 [19:00] Why did a German create an american aircraft carrier? I have not a clue [19:02] because they learned that carriers + planes > u-boats? [19:03] There's a Legoland in Chicago that's supposed to be good [19:40] $2 off discount code for LEGO Kidsfest in Novi Oct 12-14 (GRK12) [20:21] snap-l: can I troll you for just a second? [20:21] ;) [20:21] http://identi.ca/conversation/96184387 [20:22] (not sure if you follow @mlinksva or not) [20:23] Yeah, and Michał Andrzej Woźniak tried trolling me too [20:23] :) [20:24] sorry, just wanted to point you toward it. Though, retrospectively, I realize it is unneeded and potentially only blood pressure rising. [20:25] No worries [20:26] They're in love with the medium, not the message [20:26] And that's fine. [20:29] That's unfair. [20:30] my "Communication without an audience is meaningless." quote was probably too broad. Should have been "communication without recipients is meaningless", but whatever. Point is, no matter how awesomely a tree falls, if nobody hears it, it doesn't matter. [20:30] (in the context of social media) [20:30] good thing identi.ca isn't empty, then ;) [20:30] and, since I'm not going for ad-clicks.... ;) [20:30] Well, it's also why people have left identi.ca: they didn't like the audience [20:31] sure, it has some specific communities in it, tightly bound [20:31] It has a pretty high crank ratio [20:31] (of which I include myself in that category) [20:31] bah, I never see it [20:32] (other than you, of course ;) ) [20:32] I've determined that groups make sense in the huge internal corporate network use case, but not on identi.ca [20:32] Groups were poorly though out tags [20:32] (and even that use case is up for debate, just because I haven't tested it) [20:33] CC's 'internal' status.net is quite small (we're quite small) [20:33] It's nice to be able to subscribe to a particular group (tag) [20:33] but the usage became synonymous with tags [20:34] !ubuntu !debian !metal !alpacafuckers [20:35] yeah [20:35] * greg-g will brb [20:44] * ColonelPanic001 notes greg-g's tweet about foreign cars [20:44] Ohio-made Civic here. [20:44] last car was a Cavalier, many of which (though not mine) were made in Mexico [20:46] ColonelPanic001: haha, glad someone was paying attention [20:47] his private response: "I know, I almost defined that, but was lazy. And I agree. But this parking lot was mostly Fords. So, American-owned brands. " my reply "I give no fuck about who owns the trademark. I care about real jobs. Apparently, Ford drivers are just like Apple users (zing!). " [20:47] haha [20:47] I sort of wish my Chevy had been made in Mexico, just so it'd be a better example. heh [20:47] :) [20:47] but alas. Stupid american factories, making my cars [20:47] yeah, my Ford Ranger was made in St. Paul ;) [20:48] is the Expedition they make out by Toronto area? [20:48] I know they've got a Ford plant or two out there, can't remember for what [20:48] before The Great Deer Collision of 2007 [20:49] hm. maybe it's GM? Now I can't remember. I know they make cars out there, damnit [23:42] I got into the cheaper-than-S3 Dreamhost storage beta