[04:44] <Kilos> o/
[04:57] <Squirm> morning
[04:57] <Kilos> hi jrgns Squirm 
[04:57] <jrgns> morning K
[04:57] <jrgns> morning Squirm
[04:57] <jrgns> nice and early
[04:58] <Kilos> ya
[04:58] <Squirm> meh
[04:58] <Squirm> always :/
[04:58] <Kilos> hes still yawning methinks
[04:58] <Squirm> Kilos: you have no idea
[04:58] <Kilos> lol
[04:59] <Squirm> that's why I've started having a bath in the morning. wakes me up quickly
[04:59] <Kilos> ah
[05:02] <Squirm> wow
[05:02] <Squirm> summer must be here
[05:02] <Squirm> slept with my windows open and I'm fine
[05:02] <Squirm> even though it's overcast now
[05:06] <Kilos> still too cold here to do that
[05:06] <Kilos> days are ok though
[05:31] <magespawn> morning all
[05:31] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[05:31] <magespawn> how are things this morning Kilos?
[05:31] <Kilos> good ty and you magespawn ?
[05:32] <magespawn> peachy keen
[05:32] <Kilos> going through them links again
[05:32] <Kilos> dunno if i must put pc2s mac address in pc1
[05:34] <Kilos> put the mac address of the interface you will be configuring
[05:34] <magespawn> not sure, are youstill trying to get the shared network going?
[05:35] <Kilos> is he talking about pc2 as the interface im configuring
[05:35] <Kilos> yes, its become almost an obsession now that it worked once
[05:36] <Kilos> showed that it can work so now it must
[05:36] <magespawn> the interface is the network card of the pc you are working on
[05:36] <Kilos> aw
[05:37] <Kilos> and what is the cloned mac address
[05:38] <Kilos> mac addy showed on its own in nm
[05:39] <magespawn> cloned mac address? I am not even sure what that is
[05:39] <Kilos> is the cloned addy the other pcs?
[05:39] <Kilos> hehe me neither
[05:40] <Kilos> im not sure what most of this is
[05:46] <magespawn> well lets see what we can find
[05:47] <Kilos> im looking here now https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[05:49] <Squirm> magespawn: sorry I disappeared last night. power died
[05:50] <magespawn> no worries Squirm
[05:57] <magespawn> Kilos looks like a cloned mac address is so that the internet service provider thinks that the same pc is connected
[05:58] <Kilos> so then i must put the other ones addy in there?
[05:58] <magespawn> for connections that can only take one pc
[05:58] <Kilos> oh
[05:59] <magespawn> like your modem
[05:59] <magespawn> pc 2 would clone your pc1 mac address so that it can connect to the net using the modem
[05:59] <Kilos> that has worked without the cloned addy entered so its not that
[06:00] <magespawn> well then i am lost at this poitn
[06:00] <magespawn> point
[06:00] <magespawn> sorry
[06:00] <Kilos> np
[06:00] <Kilos> ill keep looking
[06:14] <Kilos> hi Tonberry 
[06:14] <magespawn> see you all later
[06:15] <Kilos> go well magespawn 
[06:15] <magespawn> gotta work :(
[06:58] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:58] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[06:58] <inetpro> eh Kilos, how goes it?
[06:59] <Kilos> good ty and you inetpro ?
[06:59] <Kilos> learning networking
[07:00] <inetpro> nice
[07:00] <Kilos> 8ta loves me
[07:00] <Kilos> and maaz hates me for all the google requests
[07:01]  * inetpro had a nice long weekend with family afk
[07:02] <Kilos> thats good
[07:02] <Kilos> i go sort sheep and hoenders
[07:02] <Kilos> wbb
[07:39] <Kilos> hi zeref_server morgs drussell 
[07:40] <drussell> Kilos: hey!
[07:40] <morgs> morning
[07:43] <jrgns> morning morgs
[08:12] <charlvn> good morning
[08:12] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[08:12]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:16] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[08:24] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[08:25] <Maaz> charlvn: Sure
[08:59] <Kilos> morning superfly Banlam bakuman 
[09:02] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:24] <bakuman> hi Kilos 
[09:31] <Kilos> yo not_found-droid 
[09:32] <Kilos> hey Trixar_za 
[09:32] <not_found-droid> Hey uncle Kilos
[09:32] <Kilos> nuvolari, lewe jy nog na die naweek?
[09:34] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[09:54] <Squirm> hi
[09:56] <not_found-droid> Lunch time is always too short 
[09:56] <Kilos> lol
[09:56] <Kilos> to eat or what?
[09:57] <not_found-droid> Or what 
[09:57] <not_found-droid> :p
[09:58] <Squirm> lunch is still an hour away
[11:29] <Kilos> sigh
[11:38] <magespawn> afternoon Kilos
[11:38] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[11:38] <Kilos> all the fiddling killed my network manager again
[11:38] <Kilos> and sound
[11:39] <magespawn> still struggling with the shared internet connection?
[11:39] <Kilos> time for anbother clean install
[11:39] <magespawn> you going to be expert at complete installs
[11:39] <magespawn> is there no another way?
[11:39] <Kilos> yeah i follow what the links say then next thing ugly things happen here
[11:39] <Kilos> lol
[11:40] <Kilos> im trying to purge what i can remember installing
[11:40] <Kilos> then will reboot and see
[11:40] <Kilos> it spends 3 mins or so waiting for network connection before booting to gui
[11:41] <magespawn> maybe each time do a step by step write up as you are doing the work
[11:41] <magespawn> that sounds like it is trying to network boot
[11:41] <Kilos> yeah i think i will do that
[11:42] <Kilos> just dunno which setting or command actually kills nm
[11:42] <magespawn> it is something i should do as well 
[11:42] <Kilos> luckily i install sakis 3g yesterday
[11:42] <magespawn> a lot easier to reverse if you have the steps
[11:43] <Kilos> yesh but you cant reboot after each step to check what is the culprit
[11:43] <Kilos> its only after booting the probs show
[11:43] <magespawn> could use a clone the drive to a spare so that you can clone back when the systems is too broken
[11:44] <Kilos> lol the thing to do is to make a backup just before it breaks then its easy
[11:45] <Kilos> maybe the clone carries the fault
[11:46] <magespawn> yup thats the idea
[11:46] <magespawn> backup before breaking
[11:47] <Kilos> lol
[11:47] <Kilos> weird even sound went this time
[11:51] <Kilos> just gonna reboot and see if purging helped
[12:30] <Erich> Does anyone know where I can buy barebone Laptop for ubuntu install? 
[12:30] <Erich> in SA?
[13:10] <magespawn> Erich do you mean one without an OS or just a low spec machine?
[13:41] <superfly> he probably means without an OS
[13:42] <superfly> Erich: a few people have tried, we've discussed it on the mailing list at length... the short answer is: nowhere
[13:43] <tumbleweed> also, you aren't paying that much of a premium for windows, so it doesn't really matter
[13:44] <superfly> yeah, when I bought my netbook I just never gave Windows a chance to load :-D
[13:44] <tumbleweed> the cost of windows is probably easily offset by the income from bundling crapware
[13:44] <magespawn> Overseas some of the manufacturers have removed win and given the buyer a rebate, true not much but there we go
[13:45] <tumbleweed> the windows license used to allow you to get a "full refund" which could be interpreted as retail price
[13:45] <tumbleweed> but that clause is long gone
[14:59] <Thaps> hi,i really need someone to assist me with installing Django
[15:00] <Kilos> clean installed
[15:02] <Thaps> pardon
[15:02] <tonberryE352> i believe Kilos was reffering to his own computer and not django
[15:04] <Thaps> oh lol...well is there anybody that can assist?
[15:06] <superfly> Thaps: you're better off using something else, unless you have to use Django
[15:06] <Thaps> something else like?
[15:06] <superfly> Pyramid
[15:06] <superfly> it's lighter, and it doesn't hate Python
[15:07] <superfly> or flask, which is tiny compared to Django
[15:07] <superfly> actually, flask is probably a good one to start with
[15:07] <superfly> http://flask.pocoo.org/
[15:09] <superfly> http://www.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/about
[15:10] <Thaps> hmmm, ok thanks alot, i didnt know about them, so you reckon i start off with them and see where they take me?
[15:14] <superfly> Thaps: yes. Flask is nice and small, and teaches you more about exactly how the web works.
[15:16] <Thaps> ok, thank you very much Superfly....you really are superfly lol hope it wont be too complex to install
[15:16] <superfly> Thaps: no, it's fairly simple, but you also need to understand Python packaging
[15:17] <superfly> Python web frameworks are not like applications
[15:23] <Thaps> ok thanks, im installing it right now
[15:36] <magespawn> superfly what would you use Flask for?
[15:36] <superfly> magespawn: writing some sort of small web application
[15:36] <magespawn> ahh okay 
[15:36] <superfly> like a little online calendar, or a blog
[15:37] <magespawn> do you use it?
[15:37] <superfly> though if it starts becoming quite big (a blog is a non-trivial amount of work) then I'd use Pyramid
[15:37] <superfly> nope, never actually ever used it
[15:45] <magespawn> later all on my way home
[15:54] <Kilos> haha ya i clean installed
[15:55] <Kilos> this networking is wearing my cdrom out
[16:46] <Kilos> hi inetpro_ plustwo 
[16:46] <Kilos> hey charlvn you been scarce hey
[17:12] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[17:21] <Kilos> hi Cantide conradvo not_found-droid highvoltage 
[17:22] <Kilos> so much work after a clean install without a backup
[17:22] <not_found-droid> o/
[17:22] <not_found-droid> +1
[17:22] <not_found-droid> Busy myself with that 
[17:22] <Kilos> hi smile 
[17:23] <Kilos> lol what happened not_found-droid 
[17:23] <smile> hoi :p
[17:23] <highvoltage> hi Kilos 
[17:24] <not_found-droid> Installing lubuntu
[17:24] <Kilos> ah just to try it out?
[17:25] <Kilos> i am comfy with unity and even more so after i install mate
[17:25] <not_found-droid> But with mate there is zero unity... 
[17:26] <Kilos> yes so lekker and so much faster
[17:26] <Kilos> hehe
[17:27] <Kilos> but you can still choose on booting
[17:29] <Kilos> sjoe more rain and wind coming superfly 
[17:30] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:30]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:31] <superfly> Kilos: we get it before you do... I know all about it :-P
[17:31] <Kilos> lol thats what i mean big one coming to you not me
[17:32] <Kilos> who has contact with maia? is she ok?
[17:32] <Kilos> and drubin ?
[17:33] <Cantide> hey Kilos, superfly, not_found-droid, highvoltage and magespawn 'o'
[17:33] <Cantide> and smile '-'
[17:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:34] <Cantide> 'o'
[17:34] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[17:34] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[17:35] <smile> Cantide: :DD
[17:35] <Cantide> ^^;
[17:35] <Cantide> how is everyone?
[17:35] <superfly> hi Cantide
[17:35] <superfly> trying to get over this throat infection/migraine combination
[17:35] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[17:35] <smile> Cantide: I'm ill :(
[17:36] <Kilos> weekend over so study lots
[17:36] <Cantide> superfly :-S smile :-S
[17:36]  * Cantide quickly puts on a surgical mask
[17:36] <Kilos> eish superfly that sucks
[17:36] <superfly> telling me
[17:36] <smile> Cantide: Well I'm almost dead, actually :p
[17:36] <Cantide> Kilos, i'm okay '-' and yeah... already done 13 pages today :)
[17:36] <Cantide> just trying to get through dinner
[17:36] <Kilos> good man
[17:36] <Cantide> smile, so is everyone else :D
[17:37] <smile> :o
[17:38] <Kilos> ah smile they looking for a geek to manage the pcs just other side the perly gates
[17:38] <Cantide> lol
[17:38] <Kilos> but you gotta use ubuntu
[17:39] <smile> :)
[17:39] <Cantide> I'm actually busy reading a book / poem about Satan getting kicked out of heaven :p
[17:39] <smile> :o
[17:39] <Cantide> I guess he wasn't using Ubuntu :p
[17:39] <Kilos> lol
[17:39] <Cantide> 288 page epic poem is not fun though ._.
[17:39] <Kilos> na its cause he is only a tiny snake
[17:40] <Kilos> not a python
[17:41] <Cantide> haha
[17:41] <Cantide> i heard something on the news today about an 8-metre python in Kansas
[17:41] <Cantide> must be scary .-.
[17:41] <Cantide> read Paradise Lost though, it's a cool book, even for an atheist like me :p
[17:42] <magespawn> yup Cantide reticulated python 8m 159kgs
[17:42] <Cantide> oh oh oh, and some googling turned up a few results on how to get the TV card working :)
[17:42] <Kilos> lol they had one on tv last night. some twit in za keeps them as pets and this one swallowed a warming blanket cord plug and all
[17:43] <Cantide> magespawn, yeah :D sounded nasty - eats rabbits, hogs and deer :D
[17:43] <Cantide> Kilos, hahaha! but poor snake :(
[17:43] <magespawn> could kill but not eat the average human
[17:43] <Kilos> they took him to the vet and operated and got it out
[17:43] <magespawn> what is the poem?
[17:44] <magespawn> Cantide^
[17:45] <magespawn> i generally like snakes
[17:45] <superfly> I have a pet snake
[17:45] <magespawn> what kins?
[17:45] <Cantide> magespawn, Paradise Lost - It's an epic - 288 pages :-S
[17:46] <magespawn> kind?
[17:46] <magespawn> milton
[17:46] <superfly> magespawn: a corn smake
[17:46] <Cantide> magespawn, yeah '-'
[17:47] <magespawn> superfly try something a litle closer to home next time
[17:47] <magespawn> little
[17:47] <magespawn> Cantide heavy reading
[17:48] <Cantide> magespawn, indeed, but i'm putting off Chaucer
[17:49] <magespawn> is this all for your studies?
[17:50] <Cantide> yeah
[17:50] <Cantide> i enjoy the books though, so it's not too bad
[17:50] <Cantide> Shakespeare is a walk in the park now haha
[17:50] <Cantide> and reading doesn't really feel like studying :)
[17:51] <magespawn> have not read anything like that for awhile
[17:51] <Cantide> i hadn't for about 10 years
[17:52] <Cantide> turns out it's not difficult to get back into
[17:52] <Cantide> certainly easier now than during school
[17:52] <magespawn> concentration and understanding both develop with time
[17:52] <magespawn> http://mashable.com/2012/09/25/ibm-mira-supercomputer/
[17:55] <Kilos> that things massive magespawn 
[17:55] <magespawn> that is a little light reading compared to the other stuff you read Cantide
[17:56] <Kilos> they lucky they arent on mobile broadband
[17:56] <magespawn> lol
[17:56] <Cantide> haha
[17:56] <Cantide> magespawn, reading it now, thanks :)
[17:56] <magespawn> i would like to see what they come up with
[18:00] <magespawn> http://laughingsquid.com/liquid-nitrogen-and-1500-ping-pong-balls/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+laughingsquid+%28Laughing+Squid%29
[18:11] <smile> you can leave ?utm_source out ;)
[18:14] <Cantide> magespawn, that is awesome :D
[18:32] <magespawn> pretty cool science is fun  
[18:32] <magespawn> copy and paste
[18:32] <Kilos> night all of you. sleep tight
[18:32] <Kilos> see you morrow
[18:32] <magespawn> night Kilos
[18:34] <magespawn> https://training.linuxfoundation.org/linux-tutorials
[18:35] <Cantide> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNBP18nrRdw&feature=g-logo-xit
[18:35] <Cantide> hhahahaa
[18:39] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:40] <inetpro> good evening everybody
[18:40] <Cantide> hi inetpro '-'
[18:51] <Squirm> hi Cantide, inetpro 
[18:51] <Cantide> hey Squirm ^^
[18:52] <magespawn> good night all
[18:52] <Squirm> night magespawn 
[19:06] <drubin> Maaz: tell Kilos Maiatoday is doing well just busy with work! I see her often 
[19:06] <Maaz> drubin: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[19:11] <superfly> ohi drubin
[19:11] <superfly> we don't see you around these parts these days
[19:52]  * inetpro wonders whether maiatoday can tell us whether drubin is doing ok these days
[19:58] <Kerbero> hehe
[19:59] <Kerbero> well i can tell you drubin is doing quite fine
[20:01] <inetpro> Kerbero: thanks
[20:01]  * inetpro feels better now
[20:12] <drubin> :)
[20:12] <drubin> superfly: Just busy
[20:12] <drubin> also Kerbero still needs to come fix my remote ssh thing
[20:13] <Kerbero> bring it to me
[20:13] <Kerbero> now
[20:19] <inetpro> drubin: nice to hear from you again
[20:20] <inetpro> oh and Kerbero please fix that remote ssh thing for him so we can see more of him in here
[20:23] <Kerbero> well it is all up to him
[20:24] <inetpro> hmm
[20:27] <drubin> Kerbero: bit far
[20:27] <drubin> inetpro: :)
[20:46] <inetpro> drubin: -_-
[21:04] <drubin> inetpro: en nou?
[21:05]  * inetpro falling asleep