[08:12] <elfy> recently lost update manager telling me there are updates available - also not seeing the "You need to restart to finish installing updates" message - until I happened to reboot - then it appeared
[08:13] <elfy> not sure if that's a bug or something to do with indicator-'things' changing
[08:36] <ochosi_> elfy: well you could start other applications that have their own indicators, i think the restart and update-man stuff all goes through the pkg indicator-application
[08:40] <elfy> the only thing I appear to have in indicators is the volume app - I'm all a bit confused about what used to be where, if it's coming back, when it's coming back - just appears to have appeared with no reason - so thought I'd mention it
[08:42] <ochosi_> what about nm-applet?
[08:42] <ochosi_> indicator or systray?
[08:42] <elfy> oooh - not got nm-applet it appears
[08:43] <ochosi_> wait, not at all?
[08:43] <elfy> nope
[08:43] <ochosi_> that sounds bad
[08:43] <ochosi_> that's quantal with all updates?
[08:43] <elfy> yep
[08:44] <ochosi_> i guess in that case we have to look whether they changed anything in indicator-application
[08:44] <ochosi_> no, there are no recent changes i can see
[08:45] <ochosi_> i mean they changed the versioning scheme
[08:45] <ochosi_> maybe that breaks it...
[08:46] <elfy> k - maybe it was good I wandered by with a random statement then :)
[08:47] <ochosi_> i'll test in my vbox at work in a bit and then take a look
[08:47] <ochosi_> our indicator-application-gtk2 definitely still carries the old versioning scheme
[08:47] <ochosi_> so i guess i'd need to look at whether they also changed it for libindicator
[08:48] <ochosi_> strange, i mean those version-bumps happened all back in july
[08:48] <ochosi_> so they shouldn't have gone unnoticed
[08:49] <ochosi_> bbiab
[09:24] <ochosi> elfy: doesn't look like i can confirm the behavior you describe
[09:24] <ochosi> only missing 3 updates (which i'm installing now), which are unrelated
[09:25] <elfy> mmm - ok, I'll try a clean install at some point this week with b2 and move stuff about :)
[09:25] <elfy> odd - but meh :)
[09:26] <ochosi> oh well, it seems i got more updates coming
[09:26] <ochosi> (wrong mirror)
[09:26] <ochosi> there's even one related to dbusmenu
[09:27] <ochosi> i'll see whether things are still as should-be after install/restart
[09:27] <elfy> I got a bunch of updates this morning
[09:28] <ochosi> and that broke it?
[09:28] <elfy> no - sure that the update notification has been gone longer - I rarely notice the nmapplet - so that could have snuck out with this latest update 
[09:29] <elfy> biab - rain has stopped - time to go for a wander
[09:30] <ochosi> otherwise please check whether you can downgrade any related packages that were recently upgraded
[09:36] <ochosi> elfy: ok, even after the latest updates i can't confirm your problem
[09:36] <elfy> ok - I'll assume I've broken something here then :p
[09:36] <elfy> thanks ochosi for confirming 
[09:47] <ochosi> elfy: wait, did you say "confirming"? :)
[09:50] <knome> ochosi, "confirming you can't confirm" ?
[09:51] <ochosi> well yeah, it's just misleading to call that confirming :)
[09:52] <knome> but it *is* a confirmation, whether the outcome was positive or negative
[09:52] <elfy> confriming that I'be broken it somewhere :)
[12:31] <ochosi> knome: could you talk to folks@kubuntu when you're at UDS about how they got sponsoring? http://blogs.kde.org/2012/09/21/kubuntu-got-donations-kde-needs-donations
[12:31] <ochosi> knome: just since that seemed so illegal for us to do
[12:43] <knome> ochosi, nobody said illegal
[12:43] <knome> ochosi, we were not sure, we never really asked the legal dept
[12:44] <knome> bbl
[17:31]  * Guest74694 chirp chirp
[17:31] <bluesabre> darn, that failed
[17:31] <bluesabre> :)
[17:43] <astraljava> bluesabre's a cricket?
[17:43] <bluesabre> Until my cricket became Guest74694
[17:44] <astraljava> Occasionally guest star visitors make that bit of a difference in brining down the house.
[17:48] <bluesabre> :)
[17:49] <bluesabre> So how are things, astraljava?
[17:53] <astraljava> Quite diverse. I'm excited and saddened at the same time. I'm going to finally start hunting my dream, which is creating my own music.
[17:54] <astraljava> And how about you?
[18:53] <pleia2> xnox: haha, just saw bug 1055766
[18:54] <drc> :)
[19:24] <Unit193> pleia2: Thanks, that report is going places!
[19:25] <drc> looks like the ubuntu root-guys sent it to the "round file in the corner of the office"
[19:28] <genii-around> Heh "being labeled a snark nearly made my monocle drop out!"
[19:35] <Sysi> competing hard with "too sad icon" bug
[22:42] <xnox> pleia2: sabdfl joined in on the fun, so I think it's all cool =)
[22:43] <Unit193> I really liked that one, yes.
[22:44] <pleia2> xnox: yeah :)
[22:47] <ochosi> tbh i'm a bit happy that we don't have to deal with huge decisions like that one in xubuntu
[22:48] <ochosi> so finally, there's an upside of not having enough contributors :p
[22:53] <SkippersBoss> yeah but do we really want that upside hmm