[00:43] <|Anthony|> anyone here familiar enough with pulseaudio to help me setup a system-wide instance properly?
[01:29]  * AngelForget is away: Sono occupato
[06:08] <XATRIX> hi, how can i disable crash report messages ?
[06:08] <XATRIX> completely disable
[06:25] <XATRIX> any idea how to force root filesystem check on next reboot ?
[06:26] <XATRIX> i found  touch /forcefsck
[06:44] <yface31415> if you would not be using xubuntu, what would you be using? are there other distributions, that provide xfce as polished as xubuntu does?
[07:36] <TheSheep> yface31415: archlinux, possibly
[07:36] <TheSheep> yface31415: many xfce devs use it
[07:56] <Guido1> hello, i want to instal a printer (brother DCP 110C resp 115C). I already downloaded and executed cupswrapperDCP110C-1.0.2-3.i386.deb and dcp110clpr-1.0.2-1.i386.deb . What have i to do know? The printer is a samba printer
[08:53] <T4sh1> Hi
[08:56] <olbi> hello
[11:31] <recon_lap> anyone know how to get the font larger in the title bar of windows?
[11:33] <TheSheep> recon_lap: sure, set a larger font in window manager settings
[11:40] <recon_lap> TheSheep: well I've change the font setting in Appearance , but that only changes fonts in apps, but cant find the setting that changes the Title of apps? any hits, cause i'v been looking
[11:41] <recon_lap> ok, find it , bit hard to spot
[11:41] <TheSheep> recon_lap: it's in the window manager settings
[11:45] <recon_lap> TheSheep: find the setting manager is very fond hard use, it's very annoying that the setting manager closes after you open a sub option.
[11:49] <recon_lap> as there are so many options you keep having to go to the Application Menu and open the setting manager again and again, I actually added it to my panel with a launcher
[11:54] <TheSheep> recon_lap: it doesn't close
[11:54] <TheSheep> recon_lap: just click 'overview' to go back
[11:55] <TheSheep> recon_lap: it works exactly the same as the settings manager in gnome and macosx
[11:56] <recon_lap> TheSheep: never used the "overview" button, guess I might of recognized it if it said "Back" instead
[11:57] <TheSheep> it has a big-ass arrow pointing back on it
[11:57] <recon_lap> guess I know now :)
[11:57] <recon_lap> at the bottom of the screen which is normally off screen on these 9:11 screens
[11:58] <TheSheep> you have one of these?
[11:59] <recon_lap> the are nearly standard on laptops now, might have to numbers a bit wrong but they are twice as wide as tall
[11:59] <recon_lap> nearly
[12:00] <MCMasta> Hello there. I have a question about hardlinking. I have a lot of duplicated files in my home folder from backing up back and forth from different devices and I was thinking of using fdupes's hard-linking feature, to hardlink duplicate files and thus save space. From what I've read, this should work, but when I ran some test and hardlinked two pictures I just duplicated, Thunar showed that the directory had the size of the file times two.
[12:00] <MCMasta> Can anyone explain this, is this how it is, is it something with Thunar or am I missing something?
[12:00] <TheSheep> recon_lap: do you have one of these?
[12:01] <TheSheep> MCMasta: thunar just looks at the sum of sizes of files in the directory
[12:01] <TheSheep> MCMasta: it doesn't tell you how much they really take on the disk
[12:01] <recon_lap> 13.6"x7.6"
[12:01] <TheSheep> MCMasta: use the 'du' terminal command or the 'baobab' program to see the real disk usage
[12:02] <MCMasta> I see... Thank you. So if I would back this directory up, would it just take the disc space of one picture?
[12:03] <MCMasta> And what would happen if I backed this directory up to a NTFS harddrive?
[12:03] <TheSheep> MCMasta: what do you mean by "back it up"?
[12:03] <MCMasta> Copy it to a harddrive.
[12:04] <TheSheep> MCMasta: if you make a copy of it, then you have two files, taking the space separately
[12:04] <MCMasta> So it would take the disc space of two pictures?
[12:05] <TheSheep> every time you make a new copy, you will get a new file taking up its disk space
[12:06] <recon_lap> TheSheep:I thought a hard link only make a actual copy when it's different partitions?
[12:06] <TheSheep> no matter if the file is hardlinked in several places of the directory tree, or just in one, each time you make a copy of it, you get a new file
[12:07] <MCMasta> But if I copied the folder as a whole on to a ntfs harddrive, would it take up the space of both hardlinks of the pictures then?
[12:07] <TheSheep> recon_lap: sure, but he is talking about making a copy of a hardlinked file
[12:07] <TheSheep> MCMasta: depens on how you copy it
[12:07] <TheSheep> depends
[12:07] <MCMasta> I tend to use rsync.
[12:07] <TheSheep> MCMasta: rsync has a variety of options for controling that
[12:08] <MCMasta> Do I need to have a hardlink option added to the- Yeah, I see.
[12:08] <TheSheep> MCMasta: not sure if ntfs supports hardlinks, though, probably not
[12:08] <recon_lap> and a hard link is pretty useless as a backup, because if it get corrupted there is only one copy and you lose the data no matter how many links you have.
[12:08] <MCMasta> It doesn't, that's why I'm asking what would happen. It's a windows filesystem.
[12:09] <TheSheep> recon_lap: he's not talking about making hardlinks, but about making copies of hardlinked files
[12:09] <MCMasta> recon_lap, I don't think you understand. I have multiple copies of files on- What he said.
[12:09] <MCMasta> Or she, I don't know.
[12:09] <TheSheep> MCMasta: my guess is that either rsync will throw up an error telling you that it cannot copy with those options, or that it will fall back to making multiple copies
[12:09] <TheSheep> MCMasta: or both
[12:10] <TheSheep> MCMasta: on the Internet nobody knows you are a dog :P
[12:10] <TheSheep> MCMasta: the good news is that if you tar it up, it will only take the space of a single file
[12:10] <MCMasta> Hm... Well, that's good enough. Thank you, you've been very helpful! And be careful so the doghunters on the streets don't take you! :P
[12:11] <MCMasta> Nice!
[12:11] <TheSheep> and tar will also preserve all the ownership and permissions of files
[12:11] <MCMasta> That gave me more questions. :P
[12:11] <TheSheep> the bad thing is that you can no longer access single files that way
[12:11] <TheSheep> you have to untar them first
[12:12] <MCMasta> Can I tar something so the end file ends up directly on the hard drive?
[12:12] <TheSheep> it's like zip or rar
[12:12] <TheSheep> except that tar doesn't compress, just puts it all in one file
[12:12] <TheSheep> you can add optionz to gzip or bzip2 it though
[12:12] <MCMasta> And the untar thing wouldn't be a problem, because I would only have to look at the files again if my harddrive failed.
[12:13] <TheSheep> yeah
[12:13] <TheSheep> it's good for making a "snapshot"
[12:13] <TheSheep> but not for inceremental updates like with rsync
[12:13] <MCMasta> I know what a tar is, but is there a target option, a destination for the file? Wait, I'll check myself
[12:14] <TheSheep> -C
[12:14] <MCMasta> Found it as you said it. Well, I wouldn't mind tarring up my files if I could save the amount of file space I would.
[12:15] <MCMasta> And I could compress it while I'm at it.
[12:15] <TheSheep> I think the -p options makes it preserve all permissions and stuff
[12:16] <MCMasta> When I'm going to do the backing up stuff, I'll make sure to look through the options. :)
[12:19] <MCMasta> Oh, one more thing, TheSheep, should I tar my home folder by being inside the folder and using * or being in /home and tarring the folder mcmasta (my username on linux, too)?
[12:21] <TheSheep> MCMasta: I prefer the latter
[12:21] <MCMasta> because?
[12:21] <TheSheep> MCMasta: this way you will catch all the dot files too
[12:21] <MCMasta> Oh, they don' follow otherwise?
[12:21] <TheSheep> * doesn't catch them
[12:22] <TheSheep> just try and see: `echo *`
[12:22] <MCMasta> alright
[12:23] <MCMasta> Yeah, I see. Then I used echo .* which gave me all the things that have a dot, so if I used tar * .* that would catch them all, wouldn't it?
[12:24] <TheSheep> yeah, but doing it from one level up you don't have to remember taht
[12:24] <TheSheep> that
[12:24] <MCMasta> I see.
[12:24] <MCMasta> Thank you!
[12:25] <TheSheep> MCMasta: also think whether you want to exclude .cache, .thumbnails and trash
[12:26] <MCMasta> I usually empty my trash before backing up, but how much space would .cache and .thumbnails use? In the mega- or gigabyte range?
[12:27] <MCMasta> Oh, I checked myself, it's around 120 mb.
[12:28] <Mike-Linux-NL> Hello everyone... is there any way i can add my nas and local network to the GTK bookmarks?
[12:28] <TheSheep> MCMasta: try the "baobab" program, btw
[12:28] <MCMasta> Well, thanks for all the help again, TheSheep, but I have to go now. See you some other time, hopefully in the offtopic chat, because here would mean I needed help, and that something was broke. :P
[12:29] <MCMasta> and sure
[12:30] <MCMasta> Nice, charts and stuff. :P Bye
[12:32] <Samwise_> Hello! Does anybody know how i properly can install adobe digital editions?
[12:58] <|Anthony|> i'm running a dual head setup and want compiz to start on both screens at login. I have starting on the primary screen, but the second screen i have to open a terminal and compiz --replace
[12:58] <SkippersBoss> samwise_ http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=6326
[12:58] <|Anthony|> i'm looking at the session files and am not sure how to configure it in xfce-session.xml
[12:59] <|Anthony|> anyone here even know what i'm talking about?
[12:59] <theuser> i have a ubuntu laptop that turns it self of quite frequently
[12:59] <theuser> i dont have time to see what the messages on the console is before it shuts down
[12:59] <GridCube> |Anthony|, addint the string to >Configuration>session adn startup>autostart of applications" doesnt work?
[12:59] <theuser> which logfiles would contain this info
[13:00] <|Anthony|> GridCube, no there is a way to make it load instead of having the xfce desktop load. no need to load xfce first than replace. its a waste of time and resources
[13:00] <|Anthony|> lol
[13:00] <Mathias> theuser: checked the log?
[13:01] <|Anthony|> theuser, check /var/log/syslog
[13:01] <Mathias> there's logs of everything! (or almost everything) :)
[13:01] <theuser> which file?
[13:01] <|Anthony|> theuser, check /var/log/syslog
[13:02] <GridCube> welp, this is a xubuntu channel, you migh want to find a compiz channel  |Anthony|
[13:02] <|Anthony|> theuser, also might look at /var/log/kern.log
[13:04] <|Anthony|> GridCube: no, it would be a xubuntu question seeing as how compiz doesn't start itself and it is an xubuntu config type file that i need to make an entry in to launch compiz
[13:04] <Mathias> might be someone messed with your crontab just for a laugh :P
[13:04] <|Anthony|> compiz doesn't really care which de it runs in
[13:04] <|Anthony|> hehe
[13:04] <GridCube> i dont think so, you just said you dont want to start xfce, so i dont think it has nothing to do with that
[13:05] <GridCube> you need to tell compiz to start on other screen, thats not xfce fault
[13:05] <|Anthony|> GridCube, do you know where the xfce4-session.xml file lives?
[13:05] <theuser> Im seeing a bunch of "Critical temperature reached, shutting down"
[13:05] <theuser> may that be the issue
[13:05] <theuser> ?
[13:06] <|Anthony|> theuser, what laptop do you have/
[13:06] <GridCube> |Anthony|, >whereis xfce4-session.xml
[13:06] <theuser> dell N4030
[13:06] <Mathias> s/\/\?/
[13:07] <|Anthony|> GridCube, i know where it is. i also know that that is the file i need to edit to launch compiz instead of the xfce window manager
[13:07] <|Anthony|> ;)
[13:07] <|Anthony|> i just am not sure of the syntax for the entry i need to make
[13:08] <|Anthony|> GridCube, all the pretty gui frontends people use to change their settings have a backend to them. and sometimes there are more options in the files than there are in the gui
[13:10] <GridCube> |Anthony|, i do understand that, but xubuntu doesnt ship compiz for a reason, its complicated to work with, if you really need advanced help on it you need to find a channel where people who knows how to work whit it actually reside, its not that im asking you to leave, but you wont get much help from us here, because we dont really know
[13:11] <|Anthony|> lol at least you're honest
[13:12] <|Anthony|> theuser, http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3518/p/19419961/19986330.aspx
[13:12] <|Anthony|> you have probably found that link already though
[13:14] <|Anthony|> theuser, looks like there is a diagnostic mode there in the bios which would *hopefully* give you more specific info
[13:14] <|Anthony|> an error code we can use to reference
[13:14] <theuser> yes, thank you for the help anyhow
[13:15] <|Anthony|> theuser, what type of surface do you put the laptop on while in use?
[13:15] <Mathias> "also see: rinsed the fan(s) from dust lately?"
[13:16] <|Anthony|> hehe that's always a good place to start
[13:18] <theuser> when in doubt why not just bust out the hammer
[13:18] <Mathias> sledgehammer is better
[13:19] <Mathias> but a "vertical mill" is even better :P
[13:20] <theuser> I have a toolkit that can hack any computer
[13:20] <theuser> really
[13:21] <theuser> I bet a pint of beer i can hack any of your computers in less than 5seconds if i have physical access to it
[13:21] <theuser> :-p
[13:22] <Mathias> :P
[13:22] <Mathias> physical access is fun
[13:23] <Mathias> that's how i got xubuntu on this laptop, and admin on windows
[13:24] <theuser> I was  thinking more in the lines of  finishing of some brew, then grab an ax an hack your computer
[13:24] <theuser> Anyway i figgured out its failing hardrive... which is kind of what my little toe tingling was telling me
[13:25] <Mathias> :s
[13:25] <Mathias> that sucks
[13:25] <theuser> good time for a SSD swap
[13:25] <Mathias> ^^
[13:25] <Mathias> xubuntu with ssd must be really fast
[13:25] <theuser> well the good news is its still running so i'll slap the bitch into a usb cage and get the data out
[13:25] <theuser> yes
[13:26] <theuser> very
[13:26] <theuser> if you have a 2-3 year old computer
[13:26] <theuser> i'd sugest investing in ram and SSD instead of buying new
[13:26] <Mathias> i got a "brand new" one and a laptop from 2004
[13:27] <theuser> That'll probably take 2gb ram
[13:27] <theuser> and a 32-64gb SSD
[13:27] <Mathias> the old one?
[13:27] <Mathias> nah, it got IDE
[13:28] <theuser> and it outperform a budget new computer
[13:28] <theuser> ahw snap
[13:28] <Mathias> but i have shoved one gb ram into it
[13:28] <theuser> IDE ssd is expensive industrial stuff usual
[13:28] <Mathias> made it so much faster
[13:28] <theuser> It would still be a great thin client tough
[13:29] <Mathias> i use as a backup-server :P
[13:29] <theuser> haha
[13:29] <Mathias> and a nfs-share :P
[13:29] <Mathias> works great for that
[13:29] <theuser> I have a p4 running as thin
[13:29] <Mathias> intel pentium m :P
[13:30] <theuser> but i think a $60 android thing, about the size of a cigarete pack would probably out perform it
[13:30] <Mathias> but i got 2 p4 servers as backup for the laptop :P
[13:30] <Mathias> a rpi will out perform it :P
[13:30] <Mathias> still waiting on the rpi though :s
[13:46] <designbybeck> Greetings all, I'm fairly new to Xubuntu, having use Ubuntu and Kubuntu mostly. I do a project where we take donated computers, install FOSS and train kids how to use them. They get to keep the computers at the end.
[13:47] <designbybeck> We are about to lunch another session this weekend. But this go around I have some under powered systems. 512mb, P4,  standard MoBo video
[13:48] <designbybeck> I have Xubuntu running on it. I guess I'm just asking how to jazz it up a bit. Maybe best themes? and such?
[13:50] <GridCube> designbybeck, if you need speed you might want to try lubuntu aswell, but as themes go you can check: http://xfce-look.org/
[13:50] <GridCube> take to notice that you will need theme that are compatible with gtk2 and gtk3, if not things will be messed up
[13:52] <designbybeck> I wasn't a fan of lubuntu GridCube and acutally Xubuntu is running well enough with those specs. I don't think I'll get to teach them Blender 3D this go around though! ;) But I did open OpenShot and edited a 480p video
[13:52] <designbybeck> i'm chcking the themes now
[13:53] <GridCube> i've found that MyPaint is pretty fun to play with aswel, my nephew and niece love it
[13:54] <designbybeck> ah yes! I am not an artist but I love MyPaint. I do faculty development. And i've showed people how to use MyPaint as a whiteboard for their classroom
[13:54] <GridCube> :)
[13:54] <designbybeck> and of course David Revoy is a great showcase to the power of MyPaint and an Open Source Artistic workflow
[13:55] <GridCube> kids like it because it has a gazillion painting tools, and its not complicated like gimp
[13:55] <designbybeck> yeah! Have you tried Pencil?
[13:56] <GridCube> nope
[13:57] <GridCube> i do love pinta tho, even if its developed on mono
[13:57] <GridCube> its by far the best painting tool on linux nowdays
[13:57] <designbybeck> Pencil lets you animate as well
[13:57] <GridCube> :) ill see it when i have time
[13:57] <GridCube> :D but we should probably go to ot
[13:57] <GridCube> !ot
[13:58] <designbybeck> gotcha
[14:10] <designbybeck> GridCube: I hav a bunch of jumpdrives with random LiveBoot Linux installs for testing. Is there a way to check to see what Flavor the Distro is on a bootable drive without having to boot it?
[14:10] <designbybeck> it has all the boot casper dists md5 ldlinux.sys autoruninf ect
[14:10] <blackgatonegro> designbybeck, yes, usually by looking at the name of the iso file.
[14:11] <designbybeck> no no, it is already burnt to the jumpdrive
[14:11] <designbybeck> so there isn't an iso here
[14:11] <blackgatonegro> designbybeck, well that depends on the linux version.
[14:11] <designbybeck> it is ready to be booted off. I normally just throw it in and reburn another distro to it
[14:11] <designbybeck> i was just hoping for a quick way to view it without having to burn again, or take the time to boot off it to see
[14:11] <blackgatonegro> designbybeck, so, you dont' even want to use grub2?
[14:12] <designbybeck> blackgatonegro:  I'm just trying to see what ISO did get burnt to the jumpdrive before I use it
[14:12] <designbybeck> oh maybe the README.diskdefins file
[14:13] <blackgatonegro> designbybeck well, just look at the files there, usually there is a txt orhtml file that says what distro is
[14:13] <designbybeck> hmm maybe not
[14:14] <blackgatonegro> in puppy linux case is the name of a sfs file
[14:14] <blackgatonegro> for others distros
[14:14] <blackgatonegro> there is sually a readme file
[14:15] <blackgatonegro> or a html file that says "Welcome to *name of distro/version*"
[14:15] <designbybeck> I didn't see that on this usb
[14:15] <GridCube> designbybeck, there is a way, lsb_release -sc
[14:15] <blackgatonegro> look for a "grub" folder
[14:16] <GridCube> should work
[14:16] <designbybeck> about to install xubuntu and dual boot a windows7 netbook so I can go chat with you guys while I'm testing out the xubuntu systems we'll be giving away this weekend
[14:16] <GridCube> oh, you meant not by booting it
[14:16] <blackgatonegro> if that usb boots by grub you can usually see the version on one of the grub files
[14:16] <designbybeck> GridCube:  I was talking about before even booting, just plugging it into your system
[14:16] <designbybeck> yeah
[14:17] <GridCube> well then check /etc/lsb-release :P
[14:17] <GridCube> its a txt file
[14:18] <designbybeck> there isn't an /etc/ folder
[14:18] <GridCube> D: what?
[14:18] <blackgatonegro> designbybeck, stesp one is there any README file?
[14:18] <designbybeck> oh I found it
[14:18] <designbybeck> kinda
[14:18] <blackgatonegro> read that one first
[14:18] <designbybeck> /dists/precise
[14:19] <blackgatonegro> ok, is ubuntu
[14:19] <GridCube> mmm
[14:19] <blackgatonegro> you have any clue what version?
[14:19] <designbybeck> ah yes that README.diskdefines does show the distro
[14:19] <blackgatonegro> it could be xubuntu
[14:19] <blackgatonegro> ubuntu
[14:19] <blackgatonegro> lubuntu
[14:19] <blackgatonegro> and so on
[14:19] <designbybeck> good now that we have that solved, in that time, I already burnt xbuutnu to the flashdrive
[14:19] <blackgatonegro> there you go
[14:19] <blackgatonegro> occans razor as it finest
[14:20] <designbybeck> #define DISKNAME  Xubuntu 12.04 LTS "Precise Pangolin" - Release i386
[14:20] <blackgatonegro> A LTS is usually the best
[14:21] <blackgatonegro> want to know a secret?
[14:23] <blackgatonegro> there is an ubuntu even lighter than lubuntu
[14:23] <blackgatonegro> but you need a really good internet conection
[14:23] <designbybeck> ....go on......
[14:23] <blackgatonegro> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal
[14:24] <blackgatonegro> icewm ubuntu
[14:24] <Pici> !minimal
[14:24] <blackgatonegro> yes, but using it with icewm is the trick to make it very light
[14:24] <designbybeck> wow
[14:24] <designbybeck> that is light
[14:25] <blackgatonegro> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal * there is how to
[14:25] <blackgatonegro> the bad thing?
[14:25] <designbybeck> the hard problem I'm having right now with these systems, is we try to get them to kids for school work. So we are doing more graphics and video
[14:25] <blackgatonegro> you have to dowload about 1 gb of stuff
[14:25] <blackgatonegro> well
[14:25] <blackgatonegro> sugar is ok
[14:25] <blackgatonegro> but is mostly english only
[14:26] <blackgatonegro> xubuntu can work fine if you use light software
[14:26] <blackgatonegro> icewm is the trick to make a really light ubuntu
[14:27] <blackgatonegro> you can also try puppy linux
[14:27] <blackgatonegro> but at least 256 of ram is recomended
[14:30] <blackgatonegro> 12.4 LTS is recomended as is the last ubuntu with a cd image
[14:40] <designbybeck> how do you install a theme?
[14:40] <designbybeck> is there no easy install under Apperance?
[14:41] <designbybeck> I was trying this one http://jurialmunkey.deviantart.com/#/d316eqx
[14:41] <designbybeck> says Open Appearance Prefernces Click Install ?
[14:41] <designbybeck> I'm not finding that
[14:43] <blackgatonegro> in xubuntu
[14:43] <designbybeck> yes
[14:44] <blackgatonegro> go to settings/ settings manager / appearance
[14:44] <designbybeck> ok
[14:46] <GridCube> designbybeck, :) see the xubuntu.org faq's :D
[14:46] <designbybeck> hmmm
[14:46] <GridCube> you want number 7: http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1110-oneiric/
[14:46] <GridCube> :D
[14:47] <designbybeck> well yes I knew there was that way, but I was thinking there might be a nice install button or something
[14:47] <GridCube> nope
[14:47] <designbybeck> Again these are things I'll be teaching the kids, but we'll be doing commandline stuff anyway so I'll make them sink or swim ;)
[14:47] <designbybeck> Thanks
[14:48] <GridCube> no install thingy, make a wishlist bug and ill back it up for 13.10
[14:48] <GridCube> :P
[14:48] <GridCube> i mean .04
[15:04] <citr> GridCube,  it's designbybeck, don't kick me for two nicks
[15:04] <citr> I'm on the netbook beside the computer i'm installing software on. I put the theme in /home/.themes/THEMENAME
[15:04] <citr> but i don't see it when I go to apperance
[15:13] <GridCube> mmmhm thats weird
[15:13] <GridCube> try /usr/share/themes
[15:14] <GridCube> that shoudl work
[15:14] <citr> k let me  try that
[15:14] <GridCube> but then, where are you looking for the theme? in >settings>appareance?
[15:14] <recon_lap> is it possible to run a duel monitor through the VGA port on a laptop with intel HD 4000 card?
[15:15] <citr> yes settings/apparence
[15:15] <Sysi> citr: if you had settings dialog open when adding theme, close and re-open it
[15:15] <citr> i did Sysi , even restarted the system for the heck of it
[15:16] <Sysi> recon_lap: should be, try xrandr or arandr
[15:16] <Sysi> citr: what files folder "themename" contains?
[15:16] <Sysi> (if there's less than eight)
[15:17] <citr> AWN EMERALD METACITY a-new-hope.tar.gz README Sysi
[15:18] <Sysi> citr: extract that tarball and maybe move it's contents to themename or themename2
[15:18] <GridCube> oh its compressed
[15:18] <Sysi> you need to have gtk-something and maybe xfwm4 folders inside themename
[15:19] <citr> op! That did it !
[15:20] <citr> Thanks Sysi
[15:20] <citr> althought I think the way this theme works , this video card can't support the graphics?
[15:20] <Sysi> ahem?
[15:21] <GridCube> citr, that should not be any difference from before
[15:21] <GridCube>  but remember that themes need to work in both gtk3 and gtk2 spaces
[15:22] <citr> this is what I was trying to use http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Divergence+IV+-+%22A+New+Hope%22?content=133892
[15:22] <GridCube> citr, also sometimes if ~/.themes fail, they will work on /usr/share/themes
[15:22] <GridCube> dont really know why
[15:23] <citr> it has been a long time since I've done theme stuff with gtk2 3
[15:23] <citr> i normally use ubuntu unity these days
[15:23] <citr> and kde
[15:23] <citr> so it looks like it is the window border part not displaying
[15:24] <Sysi> you need to set that in window manager settings (stupid I know)
[15:24] <citr> ah yes I see that now... but I don't see the a-new-hope theme on this list
[15:24] <citr> do I have to install that somewhere else as well?
[15:25] <Sysi> if that theme package didn't contain xfwm4 theme, you need separate one
[15:26] <Sysi> http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/ordinary+black+glass+-+wormwood?content=140382
[15:26] <Sysi> this has same style but colors probably don't match
[15:26] <citr> ok i don't see that xfwm4 anywhere
[15:27] <recon_lap> 21.5'' of screen loving with a desert sidebar of 15.6'' , all with 2 command and a bit of clicking 8-)
[15:28] <martinphone> i need to edit a .conf file as sudo, gedit doesnt work, can you suggest synonyms?
[15:28] <martinphone> sudo gedit path file
[15:28] <martinphone> is what i wrote
[15:28] <Sysi> gksudo leafpad
[15:29] <recon_lap> gkdu leafpad file
[15:29] <Sysi> you'll break things by using GUI apps with sudo
[15:29] <bazhang> !gksudo > martinphone
[15:29] <martinphone> k is only for apps that need a gui, am i wrong?
[15:29] <citr> I've heard that but haven't ever seen a case it broke something Sysi  ?
[15:29] <bazhang> martinphone, read the bot link
[15:30] <martinphone> !gksudo
[15:30] <Sysi> citr: see abowe
[15:31] <designbybeck> k
[15:31] <Sysi> with sudo you can have wrong file ownerships
[15:32] <martinphone> thx
[15:33] <bazhang> np
[15:33] <designbybeck> gotcha! That makes sense!
[15:33] <recon_lap> i'm slowly starting to remember to use gksu :)
[15:37] <Sysi> you could just learn vim you know :P
[15:38] <holstein> or nano, which is nice, and kind of an intro to CLI text editing
[15:39] <designbybeck> i'm getting to where I like nano!
[15:40] <designbybeck> i can use vi if i have to
[15:40] <designbybeck> but glad ubuntu installs nano by default! :)
[15:40] <Sysi> nano's syntax hilight seems to work quite randomly
[15:41] <citr> hmm come to think of it, i don't remember it syntax higlighting... does it do it by default?
[15:42] <Sysi> on some files
[15:43] <citr> ok so this 512MB  P4 Xubuntu 12.04 32bit system.... I'd like to put LibreOffice and GIMP 2.8 on it
[15:44] <citr> do I just do it the same way I would on Ubuntu?
[15:44] <Sysi> yup
[15:44] <citr> :D
[15:48] <martinphone> can you suggest a way to check if a proxy is socks4, 5 or html?
[15:48] <citr> should I uninstall the default productivity office stuff  first
[15:49] <holstein> citr: you dont need to... unless you are short on hard drive space
[15:49] <citr> ok holstein I should be ok on space, I'll leave it there to show the kids they can use what ever tool works best for the job
[16:19] <shpngld> good afternoon all. I just got a problem . I am running xubuntu. when i just logged the borders of the windows are gone and I cant type my skype login. The blinking symbol is gone. the only way to login is to paste the already written passwd from txt file in example. what shoul d i do
[16:20] <shpngld> the buttons for maximize/minimize are gone from all windows incl the terminal 1: i cant type nothing in it
[16:20] <shpngld> please help!
[16:20] <GridCube> shpank, press alt-f2 and write xfwm4 --replace
[16:20] <GridCube> and hit enter
[16:21] <shpngld> wow!
[16:21] <shpngld> GridCube, Thanks a lot!!! now i can type...what is the reason for that and how can i avoid it GridCube
[16:22] <GridCube> :)
[16:22] <shpngld> I dont want this to happen again....
[16:22] <GridCube> the reason is that xfwm4 failed to load for some reason, check that is listed on autostart of aplications on the settings manager
[16:22] <recon_lap> gremlins? did you feed them after midnight?
[16:22] <pleia2> shpngld: what version of Xubuntu are you using?
[16:23] <citr> recon_lap, it was a seed stuck in their teeth...
[16:23] <shpngld> pleia2, 12.04 i guess
[16:24] <pleia2> I haven't seen it happen much in 12.04, but it's a bug, can't really prevent it
[16:24] <shpngld> its the first time it happens ...all was ok last night
[16:25] <shpngld> GridCube,  what should i check in autostart app?
[16:26] <shpngld> GridCube,   xfwm4 is not listed there
[16:26] <GridCube> that xfwm4 s listed
[16:27] <shpngld> its missing there GridCube
[16:27] <GridCube> mmmm i dont have it either but it works
[16:27] <GridCube> maybe the --replace has fixed it already
[16:27] <GridCube> you can check if thats the case
[16:27] <GridCube> if not you can add it to the autostart it should work anyway
[16:28] <shpngld> GridCube, so i have to add xfwm4 --replace
[16:28] <citr> ok, got GIMP 2.8, Inkscape installed and they work
[16:28] <citr> Just watch Youtube video Gangham style
[16:28] <citr> now to install LO
[16:28] <GridCube> shpngld, sure, but check if it works before doing that
[16:29] <Sysi> shpngld: you should run "rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions"
[16:29] <GridCube> i mean try login out and in again and see if things are fine
[16:29] <shpngld> GridCube,  when i entered the command in alt f2 window and pressed enter everrything was back to normal
[16:29] <GridCube> :) then it should be fine
[16:29] <shpngld> GridCube, ok i will now :-)
[16:32] <shpngld> GridCube,  I have a problems
[16:33] <shpngld> Internal error
[16:33] <GridCube> o:
[16:33] <GridCube> what is it?
[16:33] <shpngld> but the windows are Ok and i can type
[16:33] <shpngld> GridCube,  do u want to see the log?
[16:34] <GridCube> shpngld, that always help, just pastebin it here, so anyone who knows how to help you will do
[16:35] <shpngld> GridCube, how can i copy it?
[16:35] <shpngld> there are a lot of lines
[16:35] <GridCube> !pastebinit
[16:35] <shpngld> and no option to copy/paste
[16:36] <citr> i use http://pasteall.org from the blender guys
[16:36] <citr> as well as http://paste.ubuntu.com/]
[16:36] <citr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[16:36] <GridCube> there are tons
[16:37] <citr> yes but those two don't have ads ;)
[16:38] <GridCube> :P true
[16:41] <shpngld> Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV
[16:41] <GridCube> you got that error now?
[16:41] <shpngld> cannto access at memory address0xd64b19
[16:42] <shpngld> im typinmg it from the log
[16:42] <GridCube> shpngld, the log is at /var/log/
[16:43] <shpngld> segfault happened at 0xd64b19: cannot acxcess memory at an adreess (same as above)
[16:43] <shpngld> ...ok
[16:44] <GridCube> you can do pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:44] <shpngld> GridCube,  which one is the prioper log...there r a lot of them
[16:44] <GridCube> that will return you a link, paste that link here
[16:44] <GridCube> :) that should work even if you dont have a gui working
[16:45] <shpngld> [   184.735]
[16:45] <shpngld> X.Org X Server 1.11.3
[16:45] <shpngld> Release Date: 2011-12-16
[16:45] <shpngld> [   184.735] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
[16:45] <shpngld> [   184.735] Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.42-26-generic i686 Ubuntu
[16:45] <shpngld> [   184.735] Current Operating System: Linux buddy 3.2.0-31-generic #50-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 7 16:17:36 UTC 2012 i686
[16:45] <shpngld> [   184.735] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-31-generic root=UUID=bb279d14-0d2a-41ad-8cb2-7471e45c6ea0 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.735] Build Date: 04 August 2012  01:51:24AM
[16:46] <GridCube> no shpngld
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.735] xorg-server 2:1.11.4-0ubuntu10.7 (For technical support please see http://www.ubuntu.com/support)
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.735] Current version of pixman: 0.24.4
[16:46] <GridCube> use pastebin
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.735] 	Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
[16:46] <shpngld> 	to make sure that you have the latest version.
[16:46] <GridCube> :/
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.735] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
[16:46] <shpngld> 	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
[16:46] <shpngld> 	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.736] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Tue Sep 25 17:15:48 2012
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.736] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[16:46] <genii-around> !pastebin | shpngld
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.736] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[16:46] <GridCube> D:
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.736] (==) ServerLayout "Layout0"
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.736] (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
[16:46] <GridCube> he already pasted
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (**) |   |-->Monitor "Monitor0"
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (**) |   |-->Device "Device0"
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0"
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0"
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (**) Option "Xinerama" "0"
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (==) Automatically adding devices
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (==) Automatically enabling devices
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] 	Entry deleted from font path.
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/" does not exist.
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] 	Entry deleted from font path.
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/" does not exist.
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] 	Entry deleted from font path.
[16:46] <shpngld> [   184.737] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi" does not exist.
[16:47] <bazhang> shpngld, dont paste here
[16:47] <bazhang> paste.ubuntu.com and give us the url
[16:47] <GridCube> as it was said. several times
[16:48] <bazhang> shpngld, please see PM
[16:49] <baizon> shpngld: use paste.ubuntu.com please
[16:52] <shpngld> i did some upgrades yesterday as reccomended ..may b this is the reason
[16:52] <shpngld> i dont know what to do..at least the pc is workin
[16:53] <bazhang> shpngld, in future, pastebin
[18:06] <msmith0957> i'm having an issue with my synaptics touchpad :/ it randomly stops working, and only a reboot fixes it. any clue? or can anyone direct me as to how to possibly reset the driver
[18:06] <Unit193> Have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad ?  And modprobe -l  should list the module.
[18:07] <msmith0957> i'll start there, thanks
[18:14] <msmith0957> Unit193: So, i read that page, but doesn't discuss trouble shooting intermittent trackpad issues
[18:17] <drc> msmith0957: Next time it stops try "synclient TouchPadOff=0" (0=on, 1=off).  Just a work around to keep you from having to reboot.
[18:17] <msmith0957> Ok, I'll give that a try. I tried a few other methods that I've read but none have worked yet
[18:18] <msmith0957> hasn't frozen yet this boot, but it shouldnt take very long
[18:18] <drc> I have that command set up for when I plug in a USB mouse...works consistently for me, ymmv
[18:18] <msmith0957> I feel like this is stemming from an issue i had with compiz on ubuntu. i removed and then reinstalled ubuntu-desktop, and then thats when i started having issues
[18:52] <agrestringere> Question about Xubuntu 12.04, do those new Ubuntu "Web Apps" integrate with XFCE? I really want to integrate things like Gmail and Google Calendar into them without using an annoying email client...
[18:54] <pleia2> no
[18:54] <baizon> agrestringere: web apps are with ubuntu 12.10
[18:54] <baizon> and no there are no web apps features for xubuntu / xfce
[18:55] <agrestringere> Is there a good alternative?  I want to have my Google Calendar, events, tasks, etc?
[18:55] <baizon> agrestringere: use a indicator app
[18:55] <baizon> i have one too
[18:56] <recon_lap> xubuntu is where the Luddite trolls gather under the bridge :)
[18:56] <baizon> agrestringere: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/calendar-indicator-google-calendar-ubuntus-tray-linux/
[18:56] <agrestringere> which indicator app does it best for GCal?
[18:57] <agrestringere> does it do tasks?
[18:58] <baizon> agrestringere: https://launchpad.net/~atareao/+archive/atareao
[18:58] <baizon> check out this guys ppa
[18:58] <baizon> he got an indicator for gcalc and gtasks
[18:59] <baizon> and many more :)
[19:00] <agrestringere> Is his code published can I trust the safety of my password?
[19:00] <baizon> you can check his code by your own :)
[19:01] <baizon> i cant guarantee its "safe"
[19:01] <agrestringere> I'm paranoid after using Windows for years I don't trust anything anymore...
[19:01] <baizon> hehe
[19:01] <baizon> well its open source :) so you have access to the source cod
[19:01] <baizon> code
[19:02] <agrestringere> Once my gmail got hacked into because I used a Windows app that synced with Gmail and it wasn't fun...
[19:03] <recon_lap> free app?
[19:03] <baizon> well you have 2way verification
[19:03] <drc> tanstaaffl
[19:07] <agrestringere> should have used it then...
[19:09] <agrestringere> I'll look into this and check their code out and see if it's ok...thanks for the help
[19:11] <Os_Maleus> hi everybody!
[19:11] <Os_Maleus> does one of You guys know, where Opera is saving the history and the cookies? is it possible to erase/delete that over the terminal?
[19:13] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus: dont know, but would guess in ~/.opera
[19:21] <Os_Maleus> in .opera/cookies4.dat? ... deleting it, doesn't change the anything regarding the cookies. they are remaining.
[19:22] <Os_Maleus> I would like to delete the history and the cookies from Opera in the way that I don't have to click around with the mouse nor being forced to close the browser.
[19:23] <genii-around> Os_Maleus: If you have the browser open, the cookies will still be cached in ram whether you delete the cookie file or not
[19:23] <Os_Maleus> is there a possibility to drop them out from there?
[19:24] <Os_Maleus> :-)
[19:24] <recon_lap> Os_Maleus: well I use better privacy in firefox
[19:25] <recon_lap> "betterprivacy" tmi mean :)
[19:26] <Sysi> I have different browser for facebook, and there's incognito in firefox and chromium
[19:28] <recon_lap> keep meaning to add that mac address randomizer to my startup script, but I have not finished my tinfoil hat yet !!
[19:43] <agrestringere> have a good night...
[20:01] <Liam> Greetings lads and lillies.
[20:02] <Liam> I had a problem installing Mint 13, it froze on install, so I tried Xubuntu 12.04 instead. It froze on the exact same spot, and I read somewhere that installing an older version would work just fine, so I tried it. It worked! I now have Xubuntu 10.10 installed and running.
[20:02] <Liam> And now to the problem. I restarted it, without doing any changes, and now I boot up to a complete blackscreen.
[20:02] <Liam> No sound, no text, no nothing. Not even a cursor. Anyone can help me?
[20:03] <recon_lap> Liam, what did you install from? and did that boot to alive desktop ok?
[20:03] <recon_lap> a live*
[20:03] <Liam> USB stick. Yes it did. Installation went fine too.
[20:04] <v1adimir> heh :\
[20:04] <recon_lap> Liam, did you make any changes before you last reboot, have you tried booting to terminal ?
[20:05] <Liam> No changes at all. Just looked around in the desktop environment (checking programs) and the restarted = blackscreen on startup.
[20:05] <Liam> Booting to terminal? Do you mean from GRUB?
[20:06] <recon_lap> yes, if you can get to terminal , then you can try start desktop and see error messages, also rules out dodgy boot setup
[20:08] <Liam> Okay lads, here's how it went. I tried booting with "nomodeset" instead of "quick splash". It worked.
[20:08] <Liam> I am now up and running.
[20:08] <recon_lap> think we had a guy who installed ubuntu onto his pen drive yesterday :)
[20:10] <Liam> Do I have to change this line everytime I start xubuntu?
[20:10] <Liam> Or can I somehow edit "nomodeset" in to the boot settings?
[20:15] <recon_lap> /boot/grub/grub.cfg  perhaps?
[20:16] <Liam> New problem lads and lillies!
[20:17] <Liam> It won't connect to my internet with wire. I plug it in (its raw fiber from the wall as I use in my main PC) and it just keeps connecting.
[20:17] <Liam> Clue, anyone?
[20:17] <designbybeck> keeps connecting?
[20:17] <designbybeck> isn't that a good thing
[20:17] <Liam> Tries* to connect.
[20:17] <designbybeck> ah
[20:17] <Liam> The little icon just spins.
[20:18] <Liam> Hehe, it would be a lovely thing.
[20:18] <recon_lap> Liam:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/128128/how-to-boot-without-nomodeset
[20:18] <designbybeck> no other settings were changed?
[20:18] <designbybeck> DHCP set?
[20:18] <recon_lap> Liam, did you enter you password and pick the correct network?
[20:18] <Liam> No settings changed. It's a fresh install.
[20:19] <designbybeck> recon_lap:  he said it was plugged in
[20:19] <Liam> Yes I did, and that I do not know, if I picked the correct.
[20:19] <designbybeck> so it wouldn't need a password for the wifi
[20:19] <Liam> Or what do you mean?
[20:19] <designbybeck> is that correct
[20:19] <Liam> That is correct.
[20:19] <Liam> No password needed for wire.
[20:19] <Liam> And thank you for the link by the way, will look into that.
[20:21] <Liam> Google is my friend. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1535912
[20:23] <designbybeck> cable?
[20:23] <designbybeck> or WICD
[20:23] <Liam> I use cable.
[20:23] <designbybeck> i'm saying was your cable bad
[20:23] <designbybeck> the physical line
[20:23] <designbybeck> that was a question on that link you sent
[20:24] <Liam> Oh, no. There was another link in there that worked.
[20:24] <Liam> I forgot that I hard rebooted when I got the blackscreen ealier.
[20:24] <designbybeck> cool
[20:25] <Liam> Thank you for your help. Believe me, if I keep having problems I will chillout here, alot.
[20:25] <Liam> Bare with me designbybeck ;)
[20:26] <recon_lap> it helps you are not afraid of typing and have a brain :)
[20:27] <Liam> Lovely. *bows*
[20:28] <designbybeck> ;)
[20:32] <recon_lap> is still confused as to if it's a wired or wireless connection
[20:38] <Liam> Wired.
[20:38] <Liam> Of cource the wireless doesn't work now, since I have no drivers.
[20:38] <Liam> Thus, I thought I could use the WIRED connection to install drivers.
[20:38] <Liam> But it doesn't work. Doesn't connect to internet. But I have a possible solution.
[20:39] <recon_lap> Liam, you using a router or a modem?
[20:39] <Liam> No router nor modem. It's broadband/fibre so it's directly from the wall.
[20:40] <Liam> Pure straight internet line from my ISP.
[20:40] <Liam> 100/100
[20:40] <designbybeck> hmmm
[20:40] <designbybeck> so it is a fiber card in your computer?
[20:40] <designbybeck> where are you from Liam!?
[20:40] <Liam> But I believe in this solution here, since I did hard reboot. (holding the on/off button) when I countered the blackscreen problem.
[20:40] <recon_lap> Liam, must plug into something ?
[20:41] <Liam> I'm from UK, but live in Sweden.
[20:41] <recon_lap> how come i new you where in Sweden :)
[20:41] <designbybeck> ah, and a fiber card instead of a RJ45 plug?
[20:41] <recon_lap> knew*
[20:41] <Liam> Well, it's from the wall! It's like a terminal with 10 ports.
[20:41] <Liam> What's a RJ45 plug?
[20:42] <designbybeck> hmm.. CAT5?
[20:42] <Liam> You did, recon_lap? How come?
[20:42] <recon_lap> cause where else has direct 100/100 lines to isp's
[20:43] <Liam> Yeah, cat5.
[20:44] <designbybeck> yeah CAT5 connection type is RJ45
[20:44] <designbybeck> vs a RJ11 which is for phone lines
[20:44] <designbybeck> in US at least
[20:45] <Liam> Oh. Yeah, the RJ11 is the smaller one, right?
[20:46] <recon_lap> Liam, pastebin the results of "lspci" and "ipconfig"
[20:46] <designbybeck> correct
[20:46] <designbybeck> 4wire vs 8wire
[20:46] <recon_lap> sry, that "ifconfig"
[20:47] <Liam> Give me a minute. Just started ranked 5v5 League of Legends, 2000 elo.
[20:47] <Liam> *chuckles*
[20:54] <designbybeck> 10 USB drives I get to start burning Xbuntu on!
[21:08] <designbybeck> any of you use Xubuntu 64bit doing heavy stuff like graphic design/video /3D ?
[21:21] <recon_lap> designbybeck: don't think you got any here, but I would think that the better the hardware the better it works
[21:22] <designbybeck> good point
[21:22] <designbybeck> Hopefully in the next few weeks I'll have my new office computer
[21:22] <designbybeck> its pretty beefy!
[21:24] <recon_lap> lots of ram, kick ass video card, big processor and fast hard-drives :)
[21:24] <designbybeck> specs: http://www.pasteall.org/35544
[21:24] <designbybeck> i had to cut a few features out
[21:25] <designbybeck> but i think it is pretty good overall
[21:27] <recon_lap> looks like a nice rig all right, so what you planning, editing home videos ;)
[21:29] <designbybeck> no...every other kinda movie though!
[21:29] <designbybeck> and Blender 3D
[21:29] <designbybeck> i'll be very excited to see how it handles that!
[21:31] <recon_lap> used blender a bit myself, depending on what you get into animation/ 3d rendering / ray-tracing can sink nearly any hardware. but we should really take this to offtopic
[21:32] <Liam> And I'm back.
[21:33] <designbybeck> very true recon_lap
[21:35] <scheuri> hi everyone
[21:35] <designbybeck> greetings scheuri
[21:36] <scheuri> I just installed xubuntu and I have an odd issue with booting: if I power on my pc it wont boo, however, if I let the BIOS give me the choices of boot medias and I choose the SSD I installed xubuntu on, it works...so I guess I have to reinstall grub on /dev/sda...anyone an idea where to start looking for a solution?
[21:36] <scheuri> (so I am on xubuntu 12.04.1 I freshly installed)
[21:38] <designbybeck> interesting, I'm not the person to talk to about this!
[21:38] <designbybeck> sorry
[21:39] <Liam> recon_lap knows such things, scheuri.
[21:39] <scheuri> designbybeck, thanks for responding anyway....I guess I just need to "reinstall" it on /dev/sda...but I just want to double check with someone :)
[21:39] <recon_lap> scheuri:  have a read of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[21:39] <scheuri> recon_lap, thanks...I will
[21:40] <recon_lap> scheuri: also , are you familular with your BIOS and setting the boot device ?
[21:40] <designbybeck> ah, nice link recon_lap
[21:40] <scheuri> recon_lap, I came across this tool....and I wondered if that is not a little overkill for me (I can after all boot into my installation, I just have to press F8 at BIOS to get the choice of the device
[21:41] <designbybeck> if it is a new install and you can quickly do it, then maybe a new install would be best
[21:41] <scheuri> recon_lap, yes, I am....I had xubuntu 11.10 installed and now reinstalled with 12.04.1...no change in BIOS or boot device order
[21:41] <recon_lap> scheuri: you might have left a CD or Flash drive in
[21:41] <scheuri> recon_lap, thought about that, but no...I am afraid all my devices are unhooked
[21:42] <scheuri> I am just wondering if a "grup-install /dev/sda" (and I am positiv it is /dev/sda is correct) might do what I am thinking it does...installing grub in the MBR of that device
[21:42] <recon_lap> scheuri: so what is your boot order?
[21:43] <scheuri> recon_lap, its a) SSD (which it is supposed to be), b) another HD, c) another HD, d) CD-ROM
[21:45] <recon_lap> scheuri: ok, seems you have the basics, not much of an expert with install problems, all my installs have gone well for years :)
[21:45] <scheuri> recon_lap, :)...well, I guess I must have missed a tiny little thing at the end of the installation as I have not changed anything in the BIOS or the boot order...
[21:45] <recon_lap> scheuri: I would think that doing what you did before will likely end in the same result
[21:46] <scheuri> I guess I will update grub and then install it on /dev/sda and try again :)
[21:46] <scheuri> well, I will reboot...I will report back :)
[22:49] <Liam> Whats up.
[22:49] <Liam> recon_lap whatcha doin'.
[22:50] <recon_lap> trying to work out a php mail script
[22:50] <Liam> Sounds hightech.
[22:51] <recon_lap> lol, simple stuff. bit short of info and recent exp though
[22:52] <Liam> Quick question. To get into Terminal from Grub, do I choose Ubuntu (recovery mode) or do I press C?
[22:52] <Liam> It says "c" for a command-line. That must be it?
[22:53] <Liam> recon_lap: Sorry to interfere.
[22:54] <recon_lap> hold down the shift key while booting
[22:54] <Liam> So, choosing the regular boot and then hold shift?
[22:54] <recon_lap> then choose recovery mode , they keep chaning it so hard to keep up
[22:55] <Liam> Allright. Thanks.
[22:57] <recon_lap> but what problem are you trying to fix?
[22:57] <Liam> Network problem at the moment.
[22:57] <Liam> WTH, I just booted WITHOUT "nomodeset" and no blackscreen?! It worked fine?!
[23:00] <recon_lap> guess that chicken i sacrificed earlier worked :)
[23:00] <recon_lap> Liam: was it a clean boot or where you pressing keys
[23:01] <Liam> +1
[23:01] <Liam> Clean boot.
[23:02] <Liam> I started terminal from the desktop. I type sudo "and the command" and it asks for my passwor.d
[23:03] <Liam> I can't write my password. Nothing happens when I press keys.
[23:03] <Liam> I can press ENTER but then it says "Sorry try again".
[23:03] <Liam> recon_lap
[23:05] <recon_lap> Liam: you typing, it just does not show, it's a password
[23:05] <Liam> Oh...
[23:05] <Liam> Now it worked. Thank you. (wrote the wrong password at first too)
[23:15] <Micr0n> Hello
[23:15] <martinphone> is it common to find broken avi indexes and how hard it is to fix em?
[23:16] <recon_lap> !hi | Micr0n
[23:17] <Micr0n> I've encountered a broken avi index before I think VLC media player fixed it for me automagically
[23:17] <recon_lap> martinphone: there are so many avi encoders that error are common , different program and different codex can help, dont know about fixing them though
[23:19] <Micr0n> I've been having an issue with streaming video / music stuttering when using google reader or google docs.  Anyone else heard of this?
[23:20] <ochosi> probably gdocs or greader eat up your cpu/ram?
[23:21] <Micr0n> I hope not... spent too much on this machine for that :)
[23:21] <Unit193> I'd generally like to blame flash for that.
[23:22] <Unit193> And yep, VLC asks if you want to fix indexes.
[23:22] <Micr0n> I thought I remembered it doing that for me at some point.  Good ol' VLC