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| mpt | snwh, when you're back, I have some news about the Dash settings | 10:20 |
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| snwh | mpt, good news I hope :) | 13:04 |
| mpt | snwh, do you remember yesterday how I asked you if you'd talked with didrocks? | 13:23 |
| snwh | mpt, I do | 13:23 |
| mpt | snwh, and do you remember how I said I wasn't involved in Unity directly? | 13:24 |
| mpt | snwh, well, we had a bit of a mix-up | 13:24 |
| mpt | snwh, pattoin here is a designer at Canonical who has been working on a quick fix for 12.10 for didrocks to implement. | 13:25 |
| mpt | Yesterday and today. | 13:25 |
| mpt | She didn't know about your work, and I didn't know about hers. :-] | 13:26 |
| snwh | okay :) | 13:26 |
| mpt | I showed her your work this morning, and we're interested in developing it further for 13.04 | 13:26 |
| snwh | That's awesome. | 13:27 |
| mpt | Meanwhile, here's the design work pattoin has done for 12.10: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/presentation/d/1wcFF2Kl156c_9qmD2fCsYzO4700vuJ4T3EJ1nN9wdU4/edit?pli=1#slide=id.g2e54c4f8_2_10 | 13:27 |
| snwh | Very nice | 13:28 |
| snwh | Privacy I would imagine is a more logical place to put it over the Appearance; it's not strictly an appearance setting or behaviour | 13:29 |
| snwh | also, mpt, I did a couple things with messaging icons: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/messaging-menu-ambiance.png & https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/messaging-menu-radiance.png | 13:31 |
| pattoin | snwh: Hi | 13:31 |
| pattoin | snwh: I am Patricia, or pattoin in here | 13:31 |
| snwh | pattoin, Hi, I'm Sam | 13:32 |
| pattoin | mpt: has told me about you and the situation | 13:32 |
| pattoin | snwh: thank you with your design help, it is great to meet you so we could discusse and work together | 13:33 |
| snwh | pattoin, thanks & likewise :) | 13:33 |
| snwh | I thought it was something within my abilities that I could try and contribute to the project. | 13:34 |
| pattoin | snwh: yes, I have to design it quicly just yesterday and the reason why I include appeareance is because I did a quick user research and test and some more people will change it in 'appereance' | 13:36 |
| snwh | users are interesting folks | 13:36 |
| pattoin | they were thinking about hiding ui | 13:36 |
| pattoin | but the more people understand what it really means, then they will go for privacy | 13:38 |
| snwh | I guess less familiar users will go for the former, whereas everyone else who somewhat understands it will pick privacy | 13:39 |
| pattoin | snwh: indeed | 13:40 |
| pattoin | anyway we can continue designing it, with your ideas for the next cycle and we have also some discussion to give a more relevant access to 'search results settings' | 13:42 |
| pattoin | and also that the functionality of disable online content sources can be done in the dash UI itself | 13:43 |
| pattoin | what do you think? | 13:43 |
| snwh | I look forward to it :) | 13:43 |
| pattoin | a lot of people when I did the small user test they thought they can just swith it off from the dash itself next to the title | 13:44 |
| snwh | how would that be implemented? | 13:46 |
| snwh | Since we already drag and drop to trash, perhaps a similar action as well. | 13:49 |
| snwh | drag and drop lenses from the dash | 13:50 |
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| snwh | mpt, what if the messaging menu used the status icon and the envelope appeared as an overlay? like this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/alternate-message-icon1.png | 15:22 |
| mpt | snwh, it's quite difficult to tell that that envelope is an envelope | 15:23 |
| mpt | the dot and the envelope are really fighting for space, in a way that they aren't if the roles are reversed | 15:24 |
| snwh | but with the dot the envelope will only appear with a new message | 15:25 |
| mpt | Remember, too, that a lot of the time -- possibly most of the time, once bug 1056457 is fixed -- there will be no dot | 15:25 |
| mpt | because by default you'll have no chat accounts, therefore no chat status | 15:26 |
| snwh | then it could just be the old envelope | 15:26 |
| snwh | which could also be the offline/quit icon? | 15:26 |
| mpt | An envelope that shrinks and moves whenever you go online? | 15:26 |
| snwh | no envelope | 15:27 |
| snwh | just the blue one | 15:27 |
| snwh | as a "popup" | 15:27 |
| snwh | overlay* on new message | 15:27 |
| snwh | and only an envelope with no chat app or offline. | 15:27 |
| mpt | You have new messages, therefore a blue envelope. You open the menu and change from Offline to Available. The blue envelope shuffles and shrinks to make way for the Available icon. | 15:28 |
| mpt | Is that what you meant? | 15:28 |
| snwh | this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/alternate-message-icon2.png | 15:29 |
| snwh | then https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/alternate-message-icon1.png for a new message | 15:29 |
| snwh | and https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/alternate-message-icon3.png for offline/no chat app | 15:30 |
| snwh | the only time a double icon would occur would be a chat status + a new message | 15:31 |
| snwh | is what i was thinking | 15:31 |
| mpt | What would it look like if you were offline but had new messages? | 15:32 |
| snwh | blue envelope | 15:32 |
| mpt | So, the blue envelope would be shuffling and shrinking in the scenario I described | 15:32 |
| mpt | That seems weird to me, since it wouldn't be the fact that you have new messages that was changing. | 15:33 |
| snwh | i dont understand what you mean by "shuffling and shrinking" | 15:34 |
| mpt | Changing from its full size, into an emblem perched at the top right of the green dot. | 15:34 |
| snwh | okay | 15:35 |
| snwh | what if a new "new message" emblem were created? | 15:35 |
| mpt | That could solve the problem of the envelope being hard to recognize at small sizes. | 15:35 |
| mpt | I don't know what the rest of the icon would look like if you had no chat accounts. | 15:36 |
| snwh | could keep the white envelope | 15:37 |
| snwh | and use the new emblem | 15:37 |
| snwh | so it'll be all the chat icons, plus an envelope for no chat and a new message emblem across all | 15:37 |
| snwh | a number badge probably would be too small | 15:39 |
| mpt | snwh, perhaps the easiest way to visualize the change you're thinking of would be to sketch a replacement for the grid of icons at <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu#Title>. | 15:39 |
| mpt | That way you could see all the possibilities at once, and the possible transitions involved. | 15:40 |
| snwh | okay | 15:41 |
| snwh | any thoughts on the alternate chat icons? | 15:41 |
| mpt | They improve on the current ones in that they're the same visual weight. The drawback is that they're harder to distinguish, especially for people with color impairments. | 15:42 |
| snwh | thats why there are symbols on the icons | 15:45 |
| mpt | yes | 15:45 |
| snwh | i mean i put symbols on them. | 15:45 |
| snwh | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/messaging-menu-ambiance.png | 15:45 |
| snwh | i even colour tweaked the screenshots to see if an impairment would make the symbols indistinguishable | 15:47 |
| snwh | mpt is the width of the indicator fixed? | 16:23 |
| mpt | snwh, no, different menus have different widths (e.g. the battery icons are wider), but it's probably best if all the title icons for the same menu are the same width. | 16:24 |
| mpt | That might involve adding/removing a little spacing | 16:24 |
| snwh | can it fluxuate? | 16:25 |
| mpt | It can, but as I said, it's probably best if it doesn't | 16:25 |
| mpt | otherwise things would wobble | 16:26 |
| mpt | (specially, menus to the left of that one) | 16:26 |
| snwh | unless it was always furthest left | 16:26 |
| snwh | but yea i agree | 16:26 |
| snwh | i was trialing a two icon thing. and it just shrunk to fit in the indicator | 16:27 |
| snwh | an icon with chat status icon + new mail icon @16x34px and just the chat icon at 16x16 | 16:28 |
| snwh | unless the mail icon was always present. and the indicator had two icons, is that possible? | 16:29 |
| snwh | changing icons* | 16:30 |
| snwh | mpt, may i suggest this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/screenshot1.png https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/screenshot2.png | 16:41 |
| mpt | snwh, promising | 16:42 |
| mpt | I like that it dramatically reduces the amount of blue | 16:42 |
| mpt | (our blue is pretty fluorescent) | 16:42 |
| snwh | it really is | 16:42 |
| snwh | i had the mail icon there first, but thought to make it simpler | 16:43 |
| mpt | On the other hand, it still has the wobble, though maybe that's a feature rather than a bug | 16:43 |
| mpt | a slight animation to draw your attention | 16:43 |
| snwh | exactly | 16:43 |
| snwh | changes from 22px wide to 23 | 16:43 |
| snwh | if i remove a px from the right edge it wouldnt wobble | 16:44 |
| snwh | but like you said: it adds slight animation | 16:44 |
| snwh | mpt, critique? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/screenshot-ambiance.png https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/screenshot-radiance.png | 17:29 |
| snwh | ..or sabdfl? :) | 17:46 |
| sabdfl | snwh, don't like it not being an envelope | 20:56 |
| sabdfl | we didn't have online state | 20:56 |
| sabdfl | so just because we CAN add it for non-colour blind people | 20:56 |
| sabdfl | doesn't mean we have to make the iconography cryptic | 20:56 |
| sabdfl | please let's keep the basic envelope | 20:57 |
| sabdfl | at most, open the envelope when it's in the "action" state | 20:57 |
| sabdfl | and use the colour | 20:57 |
| sabdfl | but | 20:57 |
| sabdfl | "normal" (i.e. connected) should be plain mono white-ish | 20:57 |
| sabdfl | i.e. do not show a colour when in the normal active state | 20:57 |
| sabdfl | and just darken it slightly when NOT connected | 20:58 |
| sabdfl | don't be garish | 20:58 |
| sabdfl | i want my indicators plain when all is normal | 20:58 |
| sabdfl | no colour by default | 20:58 |
| sabdfl | ok? | 20:58 |
| snwh | sabdfl, no problem just an idea. | 21:05 |
| snwh | sabdfl, what is the plan for the icons? | 22:08 |
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