[00:00] jbicha: Не очень =) так просто интересно. Спокойной ночи. Я спать =) [00:00] jbicha: see above ;-) [00:01] nope, I don't understand that eitehr [00:01] good night =) [00:01] good night! [00:33] robert_ancell: bug is filed #1056527 [00:41] BUG [00:41] bug 1056527 [00:41] Launchpad bug 1056527 in gnome-icon-theme "update gnome-icon-theme to 3.6.0" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056527 [01:09] So disks (udisks) seems to be broken? not formatting drives [01:12] robert_ancell: here's the other one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-icon-theme-symbolic/+bug/1056529 [01:13] Launchpad bug 1056529 in gnome-icon-theme-symbolic "update to 3.6.0 in quantal" [Wishlist,In progress] [02:56] bkerensa: I can c [02:56] argh [02:57] I can check again in a few hours, in case this system was out of date, but I just formatted a drive successfully [02:57] robert_ancell: libsane is terrible. Could you please fix it and all its modules? kthxbye. [02:58] RAOF, it sure is. Don't ever run it inside your process [02:58] Don't ever run it inside a long-running process, either. It leaks fds. [02:59] bkerensa: according to apt-cache policy after updating the cache, it looks like my system is up to date [03:00] I did have issues foramtting thumb drives before though, and this isn't one [03:05] cyphermox: I was being n00b [03:05] I forgot to unmount [03:05] the new UI tricked me [03:38] Last chance to ask for some SRU processing before I go off and do something else! [03:53] Good morning [03:57] pitti: Good morning! [04:15] glib2.0 -proposed upload, take umpteen [04:16] * pitti radiates hate towards our arm builders [04:17] :D [05:38] good morning [05:38] bonjour didrocks [05:39] Howdie [05:42] guten morgen pitti, hey RAOF :) [05:45] pitti: RAOF: where would you set the option to disable the online search part from the dash? [05:46] (in gnome-control-center) [05:46] didrocks: I'd look in privacy. [05:46] But, of course, living in .au mine is pre-disabled. [05:46] hm, good question [05:46] pitti: pick one! :) [05:46] yeah, privacy sounds good [05:46] so privacy seems logical for you as well [05:46] as for me [05:46] design wants that in "appearance" [05:47] if unity wouldn't be called "appearance", it would be a better place [05:48] I'm afraid of a side-effect of putting it in appearance [05:48] people will just think we "hide" the results [05:48] but that the request is still done [05:48] well, I wouldn't look there in the first place -- "appearance" is theming and colors for me [05:48] agreed [05:48] not behaviour and network search [05:49] I wuold actually prefer a checkbox in the dash itself [05:49] I guess they're thinking that unity behaviour is already there, in the “behaviour” tab? [05:49] [ ] Include Amazon shopping results in the list [05:49] s/in the list// [05:49] pitti: well, took 8 hours for them to come with a checkbox first :) [05:50] RAOF: yeah, I guess so [07:06] good morning everyone [07:07] * bryceh waves [07:12] RAOF, nvidia experimental still stuck in New, so no SRUs today I guess :-/ [07:13] There's still time :) [07:20] hey chrisccoulson [07:23] hi didrocks, how are you? [07:27] chrisccoulson: still coughing, a little bit of fiever, but not that bad [07:29] didrocks, bronchitis? I had that for a couple weeks myself. Still got a bit of cough. [07:30] bryceh: yeah, a bronchitis :/ been 2 weeks and half… it starts to be quite long :) [07:30] bryceh: but the doctor gave me some medecine on Monday. So I'm hopeful for next week to be better ;) [07:30] didrocks, yeah my dr put me on antibiotics, although I don't think it mattered by that point [07:31] bryceh: I objected the same to my doctor, but he said that it's better to get it 100% killed than having some surviving, has they can become stronger then [07:31] so antibiotics it is… [07:31] yup [07:33] didrocks, one less thing for you and I to catch at UDS ;-) [07:35] bryceh: that's exactly what I was thinking about! [07:36] this is the positive side :) [07:39] jasoncwarner_: poing? [07:45] didrocks: ping [07:46] hey robru [07:46] hey desktopers [07:46] hey robru, didrocks [07:47] didrocks: I heard back from upstream regarding that rygel ftbfs you assigned me... they say it's fixed in the next release, 0.16 IIRC [07:47] hey seb128 [07:48] hey seb128 :) [07:48] robru: is it a bug fix release? [07:48] robru: or can we backport the fix only? [07:48] didrocks: those are excellent questions... ;-) [07:49] didrocks: I didn't get a chance to review the changelog extensively [07:49] I can look into it more tomorrow if you like. 2AM here right no w;-) [07:50] robru: sure! have a good night :) [07:50] ok ;-) [07:50] g'night [08:07] seb128: do you think someone from your team could give me a quick code review for https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/ubuntu-release-upgrader/lp1052605/+merge/125693? [08:08] didrocks, ^ want to do that? ;-) [08:09] didrocks, unping [08:09] no real rush as we are frozen and all [08:09] I guess I can do it [08:09] but it would be nice [08:09] mvo, I will have a look [08:09] * mvo hugs seb128 [08:09] * seb128 hugs mvo back [08:10] (quite busy with the privacy-thingy change :)) [08:21] woohoo, new laptop bag :) [08:21] after trashing the zip on my old one at the airport in warsaw :/ [08:21] chrisccoulson, hey [08:21] hi seb128 [08:21] chrisccoulson, how was the mozilla thing in warsaw? [08:22] seb128, yeah, it was pretty good :) [08:23] chrisccoulson, do they plan to take over the world? ;-) [08:24] hah :) [08:24] the firefox os stuff looks pretty interesting. i even have it running on my laptop now ;) [08:28] chrisccoulson, is that chrome OS like? [08:29] seb128, not really. the UI is really only for phones [08:29] but it's possible to run it without putting it on a phone: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Boot_to_Gecko/Using_the_B2G_desktop_client [08:30] I guess it doesn't make for a great desktop OS then if that's not the target? [08:30] yeah, you wouldn't want to use it as a desktop OS [08:30] you will show me at UDS ;-) [08:31] did you try to hack your phone to put it on it? :p [08:32] heh, i've not tried putting it on a phone yet [09:00] Laney: hey! [09:00] hey [09:00] Laney: I'm sure you never heard of it, but there is a FFe on bug #1054746 ;) [09:00] Launchpad bug 1054746 in unity-lens-shopping "[FFe] [UIFe] No easy way to disable (results from) this lens" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054746 [09:00] oh, that's a very well written bug [09:02] thanks ;) [09:02] :P [09:02] when do you want to upload it? [09:02] just as part of the next unity release? [09:08] Laney: yeah, will be part of the next unity release I guess [09:10] didrocks: right, thanks, commenting in a second then [09:11] thanks Laney :) [09:12] Sweetshark: yo, I tried to branch libreoffice to give you a proper git diff but I couldn't figure out how your git layout works there. People (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-unfonts-core/+bug/1034928/comments/50) keep complaining about this warning. Simple patch is: http://paste.debian.net/193128/ [09:12] Launchpad bug 1034928 in libreoffice "Fontconfig warning: Having multiple values in isn't supported and may not works as expected" [Undecided,Confirmed] [09:25] didrocks: done [09:27] Laney: thanks, FYI, the software-center part is out of the scope right now [09:27] by design [09:27] (of course, after writing the code for it :/) [09:27] I don't even see a software-center part there :P [09:27] Laney: in the app lens [09:27] Laney: I removed it from the description [09:27] oh [09:28] * Laney is starting to wonder about "by design" [09:30] ARGH, also "Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users." is annoying [09:33] Laney: you think we can make a launchpad group for this bot-hater :) [09:34] I would join ;) [09:35] well technically it's not wrong [09:35] if the bug affects multiple users it's considered confirmed [09:36] and when it's acked by a developer, it becomes triaged [09:37] it shouldn't overrule a human [09:38] in this case it went New->Confirmed and I reverted it, then the bot reverted me === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === Amoz_ is now known as Amoz [11:37] Sweetshark, hey [11:54] seb128: ho [11:55] Sweetshark, doko is looking for you [11:55] Sweetshark, he pinged me to know if you were working today [11:55] desrt: hey, how are you? I have more vala/bind (in other part of code) awesomeness to ask :) [11:56] seb128: yes, I am fixing up the unity stuff for LO :/ [11:57] Sweetshark, I guess pong back doko anyway [11:57] Sweetshark, what unity stuff? [11:57] ? [11:58] seb128: LO unity menu integration ... [11:58] but, it was fixed from the last new I had [11:58] hum larsu, is not around [11:58] Sweetshark, what is broken? [12:02] seb128: we are almost there. it is rather stable, but if you start with the LibreOffice startcenter (with the buttons for writer, calc etc.) and then click on one of those buttons (e.g. writer) to get that app into the window, you get no menu in that app. [12:02] Sweetshark, works here [12:06] seb128: with the version in main you still are subject to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1052200 [12:06] Launchpad bug 1052200 in libreoffice "LibreOffice crashes with a SIGSEGV sometimes because GMenuModel exporter receives a NULL menu" [Critical,Fix committed] [12:06] Sweetshark, ok [12:07] seb128: antonio did some more work on the unitymenus branch, which led to some other troubles, most are being fixed by now. [12:08] Sweetshark, you are confident that it's going to be in an ok state for release at this point? [12:09] seb128: yes, with the work I did yesterday I am. Still shit happens and Murphy never sleeps. [12:09] Sweetshark, right, thanks for the update! [12:10] seb128: What I have now survives running subsequentcheck under unity (the version currently in main does not -- it crashes) [12:22] davidcalle: hey! [12:22] didrocks, hey :) [12:23] davidcalle: do you think you have the time today to review my merge proposal for your lenses? [12:24] didrocks, your mp is on the wrong branch :P The team has worked all this cycle on the scope branch in the unity-lens-videos project, they haven't noticed when I said the code had moved. [12:24] davidcalle: argh? but the target branch is the main one, isn't it? [12:24] davidcalle: what's the right branch then? [12:25] didrocks, lp:unity-lens-videos/remote-videos-scope-trunk [12:25] davidcalle: why isn't that a lp: ? [12:25] it should have its own project [12:26] didrocks, it has, and you have found it. But not people who have worked on it this cycle. [12:26] I lost ctrl+alt+t shortcut again with yesterdays updates, it's defined in system's settings but does nothing. is there a bug already filed ? [12:27] jibel: in system settings, it's defined twice, right? [12:27] didrocks, and since there always was a branch waiting to be merged, I haven't moved the "trunk" this cycle. [12:28] davidcalle: hum, there is just one line of diff, let me merge that [12:28] didrocks, right, it was, once in 'launchers' and once in 'Custom shortcuts' [12:28] didrocks, one line of diff...? [12:29] then I replaced the one from custom shortcut to have one working at least [12:29] but the default still doesn't work [12:29] jibel: you need to not have them conflicting [12:29] jibel: so just set one of the two [12:30] jibel: and just one of the two is actually wired [12:31] davidcalle: do you have the real name of the branch? [12:31] davidcalle: I only have some ~person result when retargetting the merge proposal [12:32] ~unity-lens-videos/unity-lens-videos/remote-videos [12:32] here we go [12:32] didrocks, yes, that's the right one [12:34] didrocks, in 'Launchers' I have 2 shortcuts 'Launch terminal' and 'Launch Terminal' (note the capital T) [12:34] davidcalle: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity-lens-videos/add-disabling-remote-search/+merge/126441 [12:34] didrocks: pgraner just filed bug 1056821 about it, FYI [12:35] Launchpad bug 1056821 in unity "Quantal: ctl-alt-t does not bring up terminal after updating" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056821 [12:35] jibel: one sec, both are translated for it [12:35] pitti: it's fixed and a dup [12:35] jibel: "Launch in a terminal" is the right one [12:35] no capital T [12:36] pitti: jibel: FYI, fixed upstream, but it will bind with "Launch in a Terminal" (so if you disable you, you will have to enable it again in the future) [12:37] didrocks, ok, I disabled both since I cannot remove any. then bound ctrl+alt+t to 'Launch terminal' and that fixed it === ralsina_ is now known as ralsina [12:40] jibel: yeah, be warned it will be broken again soon and you will have to reset it [12:40] but at last, we'll have the right value [12:41] jibel: I'm surprised you are telling it's broken in today's update! compiz has been available on Friday :) [12:41] didrocks, ok, but now I know what will break and how to fix it [12:42] yep :) [12:43] didrocks, yesterday, but maybe the pacakge was uploaded before and I didn't install the update. [12:43] didrocks, I was not an emergency because I had another shortcut for terminals until pgraner got the bug ;) [12:43] heh :) [12:45] I'm not happy about bug 1054746 [12:45] Launchpad bug 1054746 in unity-lens-gdocs "[FFe] [UIFe] No easy way to disable (results from) this lens" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054746 [12:46] this is why we shouldn't have major features land so late, because they *will* need tweaking === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:02] * ogra_ curses firefox loudly [13:03] i'm close to switch to chromium it really got unusable in precise [13:03] damned [13:04] chrisccoulson, do you have any idea why i cant reach the last tab in my tablist without jumping through several hoops all the time ? [13:05] klicking the little arrow in the tab bar only gets me to the pre-last tab ... i can only reach the last one if i go to the pre-las in windowed mode ... when i then maximize the window i can reach the last one ... but it works only with that combo [13:06] (same for the pulldown ... using it gets me the content of the last tab, but not the handle in the tab bar to close it) [13:09] ogra_, not sure. have you tried disabling addons? ;) [13:09] i dont think i have any but the default ones [13:09] it could be one of those ;) [13:09] (i don't have all of the default ones installed) [13:12] jbicha: I'm making a screenshot of it [13:13] chrisccoulson, (you don't test the code you ship to our user?! :p) [13:13] heh [13:14] chrisccoulson, ARGH ... seems there was an ancient grab n' drag extension (thats what you get copying your home from a multitouch laptop :P) [13:14] ogra_, there we go ;) [13:14] i removed it ans will check if the issue gets better [13:15] oh, yeah [13:15] the tab bar behaves totally different now even on window size changes [13:15] (it actually scrolls to the tab handle for the tab in use, didnt do that before) [13:15] * ogra_ hugs chrisccoulson [13:16] thanks so much, that annoyed me since i switched to precise [13:16] now if i could only get a proper alt+tab behavior out of unity :) [13:19] jbicha: see the screenshot, it's an additional panel, you don't have to document it if you don't have team [13:19] skaet: can you look at bug #1054746 please? [13:19] Launchpad bug 1054746 in unity-lens-gdocs "[FFe] [UIFe] No easy way to disable (results from) this lens" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054746 [13:23] jbicha: you should have let me first post the screenshot :) I waited to have the definitive design answer [13:27] "Dash plugins you install may disregard this setting." <- that's not very confidence building [13:27] jbicha, there is no way to make sure that all third party lens do respect that key [13:27] jbicha, it would be misleading to not warn users about that [13:28] you could ensure that all dash plugins in the Ubuntu archives do; if people use third party repositories, that's not as much our problem [13:28] didrocks is fixing all the default lenses [13:29] so it's mostly warning users that respecting the settings is not something unity enforce for you [13:29] it's something you have to trust the lens writer for [13:29] it looks like the other two available are -help and -radios [13:29] well that doesn't include appdev [13:29] extras.ubuntu.com I mean [13:30] ok, well Ubuntu controls that channel too [13:31] erk, that does sound concerning [13:31] could we have a Learn more or something that explains which lenses will respect it? [13:31] explain to people how to fix their lenses and give them a month to do it so that by release we don't need a string that sounds bad to those that are already upset over this problem [13:31] Laney: it's better to keep honesty and don't mislead the users [13:31] jbicha: well, would you have this option for the radio lens for instance? [13:32] jbicha: the radio lens completely rely on a remote service [13:32] didrocks: that system settings switch sounds universal to me [13:32] if there was a local part, it would make sense to have the option [13:32] jbicha: on the contrary, it's telling that it's only for the default lens [13:32] which is what you don't like :) [13:32] that's not what the UI says [13:32] not telling it would sounds universal [13:33] didrocks: I'm saying keep it and explain which lenses will respect it, and possibly why some won't [13:34] Laney: not me choosing the wording, the design team did, I'm asking them to come here [13:34] but as they took one day to think about it, I think they are more advanced than us on this [13:34] Just tell them "Some lenses might not respect this key, we recommend lens authors follow _these guidelines_ to support this feature." [13:34] and then a link to how to integrate it into their lens [13:35] that's not the place for guidelines to developers [13:35] and then put it in quickly so all new lens will just use the feature ootb [13:35] unless you're going to implement the setting per lens, I think it needs to be universal and every lens should respect it [13:35] it should [13:35] jbicha: but how do you want it to be universal? [13:36] reality is that lens developers might not implement support for it [13:36] indeed [13:36] you can't do that without restricting the API available to them [13:36] and better to not lie to the user [13:36] by telling developers that it's mandatory, and pushing lenses out of extras if they don't comply after a reasonable period of time [13:36] Laney: exactly [13:36] and there is little we can do to ensure that whatever lens you will find in a ppa does it [13:36] I just want to convey that the lenses we ship as official will definitely respect this [13:36] There could be a notice about how this doesn't affect your Online Accounts integration. Gdocs, Gwibber and Photos in the Dash are not affected, you control that in OA. [13:36] ppa's are totally different and Ubuntu has no control over ppa's [13:36] Laney: well, I'm working on this, and it's done [13:37] people are welcome to complain to the ppa maintainers as the ppa's are not part of Ubuntu [13:37] jbicha, well, the issue is to message that unity doesn't enforce that setting in an universal way [13:37] so there is a part of "lens might screw up and unity will not block them" [13:37] davidcalle: +1, yeah that part is a bit confusing [13:37] it should be "these settings" btw [13:38] or this setting [13:38] probably the second one [13:39] actually, a lot confusing; how do we explain that online results from gwibber are ok? [13:39] also, I do see little value to have this for the gwibber lens [13:39] should add "commercial" [13:39] like: [13:39] how does the gdocs scope work? isn't it pulling direct from the web? [13:39] "Include results from commercial online content source" [13:40] "While the lenses which Ubuntu provides by default respect this setting, Ubuntu cannot guarantee that other lenses will." [13:40] yeah but then you're stuck figuring out what is commercial or not [13:40] just make it a toggle, online sources, or not online sources. [13:40] otherwise people will be like "how come wikipedia is ok but google isn't ok." [13:41] jcastro_: and should the gwibber lens just be deactivated then? [13:41] "When searching the Dash" "Include commercial suggestions" "ON/OFF" [13:41] so if you want gwibber results, you need the shopping lens on? [13:41] I would think so. [13:42] well, they're granular on top of that too right? [13:42] it's not an online,offline setting [13:42] jcastro_: not on this iteration, look at the bug please [13:42] it's a stopgap pour quantal [13:42] I would add "commercial" [13:42] we can't do the full granular thing for this cycle at this point [13:42] but waiting on design… [13:42] or "don't query the canonical server for commercial suggestions" [13:42] that's really about stuff you can buy (u1, amazon) [13:43] not about blocking gwibber or fb photos [13:43] right, so I would do online/offline for now, then figure the granular stuff at UDS [13:43] Turn off Amazon & Ubuntu One Music Store results? [13:43] doesn't it disable videosearch too? [13:43] I don't think that people would see "Amazon" as "canonical server" [13:43] Laney: it does [13:43] Laney, those go through the canonical server, u1 as well [13:43] yeah, but they're not all "commercial" [13:43] didrocks, sorry to barge in here like this, but I've been whining about lenses spamming the home lens since 11.04. No one cared until now, heh. [13:44] "don't let the dash agregate sponsored content for you" :p [13:44] jcastro_, still no one care about the spamming, the issue is sending queries on the wire to a server of ours basically [13:44] jcastro_: yeah, and at the end I'm the one having to fix that in a hurry where my schedule wasn't for that, so I would appreciate to keep the level of general bikeshedding low and not add that to my bagel :) [13:44] the "Keep Mark from taking your money" switch [13:45] seb128, yeah but they send to all sorts of stuff depending on what you have installed [13:45] jbicha, ;-) [13:45] I guess it's close from "don't show sponsored results" [13:45] It's why I think a Learn More would let us explain what we've done [13:46] didrocks: except that if it's not done right, then it will need to get fixed again [13:46] those a sponsored [13:46] not commercial [13:46] too subtle to get across [13:46] "don't show sponsored results (u1 music store, amazon)" [13:46] I don't think people are upset by the video lens (or the radio lens) for instance [13:46] the other option is to give up on the UI and keep it as a gsetting key [13:47] but it's a shame if the reason is just that we can't agree on some wording [13:47] where's design :P [13:47] Laney: probably hiding ;) [13:48] pattoin: hey! [13:48] ohhh yes [13:49] "Not all dash plugins respect this setting. The shopping, video and photo plugins which Ubuntu supplies by default does." [13:49] here I am [13:49] or so? [13:49] do [13:49] ah good :) [13:49] pattoin: so, regarding the discussion we had [13:49] yes [13:49] pattoin: seems that the wording is misleading about what "online" is [13:50] pattoin: indeed, I think we don't want to cut the connexion of the gwibber lens for instance [13:50] only for the online recommends [13:50] nor stop the photo lens to show your facebook photos [13:50] indeed [13:50] we discussed adding "sponsored, commercial" [13:50] what do you think? [13:50] * didrocks has vim opened :) [13:51] people argued that all results are not "commercial" ones [13:51] I'm more concerned about the qualifier, fwiw [13:51] the video lens gets some videos from youtube, etc [13:51] which are not commercial services [13:51] nor sponsored :/ [13:51] youtube is commercial-ish [13:51] yes true [13:52] what about 'something more explicit as 'payable content' [13:53] pattoin, well, would you qualify youtube videos as "payable"? [13:53] (since they are free) [13:54] "payable" isn't a good word [13:54] I know is not good but thinking about the concept of aontent I pay for [13:54] and content I don't pay for [13:55] and not all online activity :) [13:55] what's the main issue for users there? that the queries are made to a Canonical server ? [13:55] so you still have your facebook photos and so on open [13:55] should be convey the idea of "don't get aggregated result through the Canonical services"? [13:55] "Include sponsored online results"....and then we wouldn't have to touch the video or gwibber lenses (as currently set up) or even third-party lenses until they set up their own affiliate programs [13:56] *unless they* [13:57] just make it disable the shopping lens for now? :) [13:57] well, the backend side is done [13:57] it basically just stop queries proxied through the canonical server [13:57] would that wording need U1MS disabled too? [13:58] u1ms is disabled I think [13:58] didrocks, ^ is it? [13:58] yes [13:58] jbicha, it basically disable stuff that go through our server [13:58] in every default lenses [13:58] which is video lens results, u1ms, amazon [13:59] the u1 go through the server because it does select the sources according to your region and some other fancy stuff [13:59] can it be smarter, to not disable the video results? [13:59] Don't retrieve results from Canonical servers [13:59] u1->video [13:59] jbicha: well, you would still have request to Canonical servers [13:59] jbicha: why not the shopping lens and this one? [13:59] jbicha, no, what people complain is that we send queries to Canonical [14:00] that option would basically stop any query to be sent this way [14:00] jbicha: there is still "what I type here it stealing every single letters and my ip address" [14:00] video was there in 12.04 and music was in 11.10 & I didn't hear much criticism [14:00] jbicha, the new icon for the gwibber lens is attached to bug 1056191 [14:00] Launchpad bug 1056191 in unity "[UIFe] Social Lens doesn't have authorised and meaningful icon" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056191 [14:01] it's basically the same as the previous one (before the twitter one was used) [14:01] jbicha, go figure why people freak out now about queries made online and they didn't before... [14:01] OK , CAN WE DISCUSSED THE OPTIONS ONE BY ONE? AND i CAN GET OTHER IDEAS MAYBE FROM THE COPYWRITER === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [14:01] sorry I screem [14:01] * Laney runs [14:01] pattoin, sure, thanks for trying to bring back some sanity in that discussion ;-) [14:01]