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[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[07:32] <iulian> Goooood morning dholbach.
[07:34] <dholbach> hi iulian!
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[16:51] <bobweaver> Hello there I was just playing around with playonlinx when I noticed that a third of the programs will not install because it (play on linux version) Is too old. I am on 12.10  the version is 4.1.1 and I noticed on Play on linux's site that they are up to 4.1.8 so I installed 4.1.8  and this version is way better then the one in the ubuntu ppa I mean there is more features and way more tools. So I was thinking why does Ubuntu have such
[16:51] <bobweaver> a old versions ? And is there anything that I could do to update the repo to be 4.1.8 and not 4.1.1 ?
[16:51] <bobweaver> thanks for your time
[16:52] <cjwatson> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687207
[16:52] <ubottu> Debian bug 687207 in playonlinux "playonlinux: New version available" [Wishlist,Open]
[16:54] <bobweaver> cjwatson,  should I make debian package of 4.1.8 ?
[16:55] <bobweaver> I do not know How to work with debian though they where real real real real real mean to mean on there channels when I was 1st starting out so I do not know if I care to either
[16:56] <bobweaver> maybe someone can explain some stuff to me about there hosting and what not at UDS ?
[16:57] <bobweaver> would any one like to set up a appointment with me at UDS to explain there hosting and tools that they use ?
[17:33] <bobweaver> I have a question about debuild  I am so use to uploading my own packages that I have made from scratch that I do not know how to tell debuild not to include everything on upload, Example I always have ran  debuild -S -sa    what do I run to tell it that they source code is already uploaded and there is no reason to upload source code when running dput on the changes file
[17:37] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: we (Ubuntu) care about debian, so please don't write off debian too easily
[17:38] <tumbleweed> as I didn't see this myself, I have no idea about the specifics, but yes, happy to chat about it at UDS
[17:38] <bobweaver> tumbleweed,  I will not tumbleweed  I also care about debian a bunch and use it all the time and Love the freedoom that it gives , But I just had a hard time with the community
[17:38] <bobweaver> that is all
[17:38] <bobweaver> it happens you know
[17:38] <tumbleweed> of course
[17:39] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: as to your debuild question: -sa means include the orig tarball even if it doesn't think it needs to
[17:40] <bobweaver> I am also sure that they where not to impressed by me asking a bunch of question ;)
[17:40] <tumbleweed> usually you don't need to specifiy -sd or -sa, it should get it right
[17:40] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: being patient, respectful of others' time, and having a thick skin - all usually helps
[17:41] <bobweaver> but you are right I am not going to let a couple bad eggs ruin my omelet . maybe they where having a bad day, we all do
[17:42]  * bobweaver goes to medical cabinet and gets out vit B (think skin) 
[17:42] <bobweaver> thick *
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[17:43] <bobweaver> tumbleweed,  PM ? about meetup at UDS
[17:46] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: sure
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[17:56] <cjwatson> bobweaver: #debian IRC is often not desperately representative of Debian.  It works much more by e-mail.
[17:56] <bobweaver> Thanks cjwatson  !
[17:56] <bobweaver> I will keep that in mind for the future
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[17:58] <bobweaver> question: under the line Uploaders: in the debian dir can I have 2 people? example  Uploaders: Jose Doe <josedoe@email.com>, Jose Moe <josemoe@email>
[17:59] <bobweaver> in the control file sorry
[18:00] <cjwatson> Yes.  http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Uploaders
[18:02] <bobweaver> cjwatson, I was just reading that and was wondering what folded means ? in the line "The Uploaders field in debian/control can be folded."
[18:03] <cjwatson> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-controlsyntax defines that.
[18:06] <bobweaver> I see thanks again
[18:17] <bobweaver> I am sorry to ask another question but I can not seem to get this control file right. error is line 37: first block lacks a source field   Here is the control file http://paste.ubuntu.com/1228959/
[18:17] <bobweaver> thanks again for your time
[18:19] <jtaylor> bobweaver: why not use the existing package as a starting point?
[18:19] <jtaylor> bobweaver: in that control file you are mixing source and binary package
[18:22] <bobweaver> you mean that the stanza is not correct and there needs to be two ? I tried that like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1228973/ but it errors out on line 13 because of the white space
[18:22] <bobweaver> I m sorry I dont not follow
[18:22] <jtaylor> the first line should be Source:
[18:22] <jtaylor> and installed-size is no key
[18:22] <jtaylor> neither is Version
[18:23] <jtaylor> apt-get source playonlinux for a working control
[18:25] <bobweaver> Oh my I see what you are saying I am dumb sometimes line one neds to be Source not package
[18:35] <bobweaver> Sweet it worked
[18:35] <bobweaver> In the ppa ! https://launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+archive/beta
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[23:00] <bobweaver> Hello there as some of you know I was playing with play on linux and updating the version. Well I am done now. And Fixed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687207    Now  I am wondering how to upload to debian so it will make its way to Ubuntu ?
[23:00] <ubottu> Debian bug 687207 in playonlinux "playonlinux: New version available" [Wishlist,Open]
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[23:21] <cjwatson> bobweaver: You can't - you offer a patch to the Debian maintainers and they decide whether to accept it
[23:22] <cjwatson> bobweaver: However I noticed that you appeared to have repackaged playonlinux from scratch
[23:22] <cjwatson> That's not good
[23:22] <bobweaver> Yeah because the source upstream had changed
[23:22] <cjwatson> That's not a reason to repackage from scratch
[23:22] <bobweaver> I sould make it with the upstream tar ball ?
[23:23] <cjwatson> When you update a Debian (or Ubuntu) package to a new upstream version, you don't start from scratch and run dh_make against the upstream tarball
[23:23] <cjwatson> You update the existing packaging
[23:25] <cjwatson> You appear to have taken things like the changelog but thrown away most of the rest of the packaging
[23:26] <cjwatson> I'd actually suggest just leaving it to the Debian games team, TBH, as they likely know what they're doing here - they just said in the bug that they didn't want to bother with it until after wheezy's released
[23:27] <cjwatson> Ah, it looks like upstream has their own partial debian/ directory now, or something
[23:27] <cjwatson> We generally ignore those
[23:27] <bobweaver> cjwatson,  could you point me to a tutorial for that ? I know that it is a large subject . I guess what I am missing is . do I go to Git and grab upstream or apt-get source POL  then run a diff on that tarball and change the files and the debian stuff ?  Yeah I think that must of the stuff that was in the debian/*
[23:27] <cjwatson> Er, in general it is a creative task that involves knowing the package
[23:27] <bobweaver> was old and not needed
[23:28] <cjwatson> Things like uscan can help with the basics but the details of revision control and the like totally depend on the package and its maintainers
[23:28] <cjwatson> I don't have a tutorial for you